I drilled holes all over my bike and it weighs hardly anything anymore. I keep getting a whistling sound when the wind blows through the holes. I tried zip ties but they wont hold it together at all. (just joking) That’s got to be the worst thing to do, even on a senior’s tricycle.
Hey this worked like a charm. Thanks for the video. My Giant explore stock would do 32km/hr and then cut out/in. After your mod I can get to ~44km/hr. I personally find that 36km/hr is a comfortable riding speed for backroads in Alberta mountains. Hardest part was running to the hardware store to get a tamper proof torx. Enjoying the bike a lot more and no problems as of yet
I would of just used an Allen bolt like me on my next bike, and pitlock has thing to put in to make the Allen bolt unable to remove without pitlock key you get
It would weaken the magnetic signal , meanwhile the wheel still spins a revolution no matter where you place it ,so no :) crank spins slower than the wheel , that's how this modification works ...
Interesting concept. And see all those comments and other alternatives ... when are the makers of e-bikes just going to acknowledge that limiting at 25 is ridiculous when so many people can pedal a normal bike faster than that and fit people are riding them - especially the e-mountain bikes. When it hits 25 on the flat it feels like pedaling with a handbrake on - ridiculous! .
It's imposed by them by law. In many countries it's not legal to motor assist a bicycle beyond the 25 km/t. Obviously this is a software limitation which can be worked around like this, or with a chip. I don't have a mountain bike but I imagine you would only turn on the assist when you are climbing up hill and need help in order to not get so exhausted - after all, it's going down-hill that's fun.
They have to for import purposes. Today 99/100 of then you can just go into the setting and change the max speed ezpz. Some also have a hard limiter between the batt and controller you can unplug to keep an eye out for. Though for 25 bucks you can just upgrade to a computer that can show all settings which I did for a friend. Actually, we got him a new controller (22a to 28a) and a computer bundled for 50 bucks and his ebike goes 38mph from 20ish mph.
What if the ebike is only a 250w front hub motor (pedal asist) and doesn't have the magnet on the wheel you're explaining. Is that bike's motor just too weak to travel more 16mph?
That's because the firmware detected that your cadence matches exactly to the wheel rpm. This "hack" no longer works. You need to go to the dealer to have the motor reset (if they'll do it as the motor is now no longer covered by your warranty probably). There is a rumour that pedaling the bike in limp mode for 90 minutes will reset the error (flip it over and turn the creaks by hand, it's easier). I don't know if that's true because now I run a shimano motor. Good luck
Hello Daniel, Wrote to you a little while ago. Now that the summer is practically over here in Europe I wanted to start the hack process on my GIANT ebike, but surprise, the firm GIANT are not stupid, to take off the sensor the surprise was a nippled torx screw, in other words I needed a hollow torx screwdriver which I didn't have to take the sensor off. I managed to send out an order to Amazon for a set of 32 pcs to fix on a screw driver. The order will be arriving tomorrow so I'll keep you posted on the follow up, Cheers mate.
You are not alone. It took me more than 30 minutes to find the right scredriver, because my Giant has chain protecting case, I could hardly see the screw! I have a 'Giant GrandTour E+ 1 2018' with a Yamaha motor (60 Nm, 250 W). I tried this method. After putting the magnet on the pedal I got two outcomes, 1) the motor works only a little bit, basically it is not working. 2) After changing the position of the magnet several times at last the motor works as before the delimiting, namely the Ebike moves maximal 25 Kmh. In both case the speed display display from 4 to 99 kmh. Anyone has any advice? Thanks in advance! My guss is: there is a maximal working limit for this Yamaha motor and the motor working limit cannot be surpassed even we change the position of the magnet.
You can also change Prefrance of the size of tires. Only if you have smaller than 28inch or 700c. Setting that wheel size on 26 inch ( goes up 1.5 to 2 mph more throttle only)and smaller will increase speed unless you have a locked controller than you have to listen to this video and others...
what happens if you remove the magnet, I guess you tried? 0mph ? no assist ? i would think a torque sensor based mid drive would still work unless they programmed no assist if the speedometer doesnt detect speed.
Do someone have problem when all put back in original state? When I put it back on yamaha pw st, display is blinking (range, odo etc) and speed sensor doesnt pick up spee (0 km /h) motor is workimg, I ve tested through diagnostics , and in diagnostic program is showing no of turnings of the wheel Bike is haibike alltrail 6
Thank you Daniel, just tried it om my naicisports x5 with bafang motor and it works well speed beyond 30km/hr... can somebody give me an idea on the ebike performance if used for a longer and continuous ride...ty
Hi Daniel. I just purchased the LIV Val E+2 ebike, it looks like it has the similar motor sensor to yours, how did you get it off? It looks like the manufacturer has tried to make it difficult to detach it with a screw ive never seen before. Dying to get this over 15mph its so lame at that speed!!
So I bought my uncle's 2021 Polygon Path E5 off him and it's max is 32km/h but was limited to 25km/h when it was sold in Australia. With a 504Wh battery that's some bullshit. After one ride to work today I'm looking to remove it, I sit at 35ish pedalling anyway, so this would be ideal. It has the Shimano Steps motor, my uncle said there's a limiter wire installed? Didn't see this sensor you speak of... Might have to open the motor. Edit Def no sensor like the video. So removed the battery pack and removed the left side motor cover and only see 2 wires that def look factory installed. Need to do some research 😟
As this will upset your speed and ODO reading, wouldnt it be easier to simply move fw or bw the magnet on the wheel to make it not readable by the sensor? Doing this it would always look like you are standing still whilst you are going as fast as much as your gear and your pedal frequency allows...? Where am I wrong?
nope because it's only measuring the rpm. the diameter of the wheels is built-in the controller. if the controller allowed to change the wheel size you wouldn't need any hardware hack, you would just change it to the smallest size as explained in the video
Great hack.... This guy is always thinking of quick, cheap, effective ways to make things work! (Looked a bit dodgy riding the bike with your phone and trying to video....)
Just worth to mention that in case of any accident you may face charges for riding unregistered vehicle without required and valid insurance and if you don't hold moped driving licence then the third charge will be not holding a proper driving licence as ebike without speed restriction is no more treated as bicycle, it's moped instead. So be cautious if you decide to risk such a modification.
Thoughts after a year? It worked great! cruising speed is about 33kph easy riding, can get it to ~40kph peddling hard on flat Regret not cable tying the sensor rather than drilling the frame... the comments section certainly corrected me on that one... That being said I've had no problems with the mod, and the frame is still intact despite the small hole haha. Once I lost the magnet which was funny. Parked up next to a metal bike rack and the magnet jumped onto the bike rack, but I noticed when I left and the ebike wouldn't engage. Went back and found the magnet. That was about all that's gone wrong since I made this video.
@@stevezodiac491thats why we dont like the speed limit of 25km/h. When in good shape few years ago, i did a trail on regular track. A track a bit less than one hour at full speed, i did an average at 32km/h on my light weight tarrain bike with no engine. Even with my now new 115NM ebike, with a speed assistance limit of 25km/h, i stand no chane to keep the same speed. Electric bicycle that is more heavy just dont stand a chance against trained cyclists on road with that speed limits. Thats why we think the speed assistace limits are too low. I get it in cituies and for less aware cyclists that creates danger in traffic. But what with us that is just medium trained and likes realy long trips on bicycles. Unfortunately i am not at the same level that i was. And 70-80km trips on partial terrain or just a bit to hard. And a drug addict put a fire to my barn, i freaking lost ALL my bicycles and losts of equipment.
Hi, l have it sorted but another thing came up after let's sai 2 minutes padaling it's just gets harder like elctric engine stops helping for a minute than comes back up, why is that?
Thanks for the video! Got the same bike and worked a treat. Do you mind sharing the URL to the magnet you used? I've got a huge one taped on at the moment, and another which was too small to pick up.
Also, once in your top gear, does your electric motor cut it and out until you have a steady ready of about 9km/h according to the speedo? I find if I peddle at about 8km/h according to the speedo while in top gear, the motor is on for a second, off for a second, on, off.
Nice video and it's a nice bike too but since it is a paddle assist but due to my health I would like add throttle in my cube bike, please advise in detail on how to go about it ?
I later added a thumb throttle no problem. Just buy one, then run the cable down the frame to the controller and plug it into the controller in the throttle slot. Easy
Yea, but if the controller THINKS your wheel is a 20” or even an 18” (even better), it will confuse the controller-“Hey, it sure is taking a long time for that magnet to come around. I guess I can give the motor more juice. “😊 Just think about 4x4s with bigger tires - the speedo is gonna read slower than you’re actually going.
A smaller tire wheel will not rotate faster nor slower than a bigger wheel at a given driven speed( your crank , pedal rotational speed remains the same) It will just not travel further than a bigger wheel . A small wheel covers less distance per revolution so its slower than a bigger wheel covering more distance per its 1 rotation.
hi, enjoyed watching your video👍, no.1, id like to know, how does this hack effect your battery gauge?? im thinking, if your going faster, you will be using alot more power, which i assume, drains battery faster.
Yeah it'll use a little more battery... but a lot of the energy is required to get you up to top speed, not as much required to maintain top speed. But yes overall you'll use more battery. But that's a small price to pay for the annoying cut in cut out of a speed limiter
I rader buy a kit were you can turn on and off max speed and the speed is correct, speed box is a great way to set up your bike without any modifications, just plug it in and you simply turn it on and off with the controller on your bike, off max 25kmh and on 99kmh.
That's the issue I see with it. Surely if you're coasting (no pedal rotation) the motor will think you're stopped, and get somewhat confused when you suddenly ask it for assistance again? Most motors now are designed with some ramp-in rather than sudden power so it seems to me this would result in an odd feel to the assistance?
Ok jaycar has a speedo converter, it takes the magnetic pulse and puts out another pulse at 0 to 100% rate of the original depending on what you set that too. Theres a switch to set that.. They run on 12vdc, the power down in the motor hub is 36vdc, jaycar sell a dc to dc converter $8 for arduino ( a very handy board) and it will power the speedo converter... (up to 36vdc) wire it up, fit it in the area of the motor , set your percentage to 50% and the controller now thinks 50kmph is actually 25kmph...Shhh dont tell anyone I told you!... Total price $38. To fit use a bit of common sense, I bought a plastic holder. $3 for the dc to dc converter. Skill level - easy Add a small fuse too in case anything goes wrong! ;-) Ps dont forget to tx Oring! Aka me for taking the time to find a cheap and usefull alternative. I do like this idea too! Im pretty sure bosche engineers are nuts for thinking 25kmph limit was a good idea! Hell a woman on a girly pedal bike with a basket full of flowers on the front can go quicker! Seriously!
Ohhhh I'm going to remove some of the magnets from my PAS bike to see if it will work as well, being the PAS magnetics are on a small wheel hub on mine. If this idea works I will do a update, but I have HUGE doughts.
I have a 'Giant GrandTour E+ 1 2018' with a Yamaha motor (60 Nm, 250 W). I tried this method. After putting the magnet on the pedal I got two outcomes, 1) the motor works only a little bit, basically it is not working. 2) After changing the position of the magnet several times at last the motor works as before the delimiting, namely the Ebike moves maximal 25 Kmh. In both case the speed display display from 4 to 99 kmh. Anyone has any advice? Thanks in advance! My guss is: the position of the magnet plays an important role and there is a maximal working limit for this Yamaha motor and the motor working limit cannot be surpassed even we change the position of the magnet.
@@TH-camSupportTeams I have just bought a Raleigh Motus with an active line motor now my question is if I will do the magnet trick I might make the software lock up the motor right?
@@andreibugariu208 I have no idea. Bosch have stated they are actively preventing magnet hacks. Lucky I have a brose motor on older firmware and it works fine. These companies are typical German Nazis. You own the thing and they are preventing you from doing what you want with it
If you can set the wheel size on the ebike computer then setting it to a smaller wheel size will make it "think" that the speed is slower since one revolution of a smaller wheel is a smaller distance. Hope that's not a terrible explanation 😬
Josh Shipton Not smaller wheel! You would need to change to bigger one. Coz smaller wheel spin faster. On the same distance smaller wheel will spin twice as much. What computer does is counting how many times magnet went past the sensor. And based on settings (I believe you cannot change that in settings) calculate the speed based on wheel size. And then you’ll have opposite affect because small wheel will spin faster on same distance.
@@johndeer8108 Yes your right, if you changed the wheel to a bigger one it would increase the max speed limit. If you can change the wheel size setting in the ebike computer (not the wheel itself, just the setting) then setting it to a smaller size will increase the max speed limit again. Because like you said, a smaller wheel will be turning faster and so with the same size wheel, the limit will be higher if the computer "thinks" the wheel is smaller. Of course if you can't change this setting on your ebike then it's of no help knowing that :)
Hey, yes it is good for the cost. Its not as good as the preicy ones for sure, but for what I paid it has well and truly done me proud. Only whinge is the brakes probably need an upgrade for the power
This worked like a dream for me. I would now like to fit a 38 or 40 tooth chainwheel to my Giant Talon ebike to enable me to maintain a higher speed with lower pedal revolutions. To date I have not been able to locate one in Australia. If anyone can assist would be appreciated.
Anyone know what the rotation difference between a full crank rotation vs. the wheel rotation on a 28" wheel? I'm curious as to what the % difference in perceived rotation vs actual rotation after modifying.
🤦 that depends on the gear ratio, say front cog has 44t and you on the 11t cog on the cassette then each pedal turn be 4 turns of the wheel, front can be anything like between 22-72t saying the range you can get but it depends on crank, the 72t is more likely on TT bikes or track bikes, rear is like 10-52t depending on cassette you have, think mountain bike can go up to 52t but most older have 34t max and smallest is 10t or 11t or even 12t normally I mainly ride 44/11 on mountain bike and 53/11 on road bike
Many times there is a limiter connected to the battery going to the controller. Another way is to see what type of language your controller /screen uses like KT for one eg and get a new computer for your controller. Which he kind of mentions.
Thank you for the video. But i have a problem. I have a Bosch motor and a 400 W baterry, It's all ok, speed show me at 7-8 km/h but after 1-2 min show me on the display 102 error, and cut my mototlr on 30 km/h. Any advice please
I also have a latest gen Bosch mid drive unit and have heard of this exact same issue. I have not tried it myself yet, but it clearly must be a problem. I cannot afford one those expensive speedboxes. Anyone know a workaround? I am not bothered about incorrect speed readings.
![แฉกลโกงงานวัด 2024 [ โกงมั้ยครับ ep.106 ] | DOM](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/taC5dpP3HXA/mqdefault.jpg)
Wel this worked better than i expected
Did it work for you
Do sixteen mile range and you'll find out it will stop running
Omg, just done this tool 5 mins and it’s flying 🤣🤣 nice one dude
ZIP TIES MY FRIEND...NOT DRILLING THE FRAME
Yes yes...we've been over this.
Did it ever break where that hole is or is it still holding strong
Made some sick come up when he got the drill out!!
I drilled holes all over my bike and it weighs hardly anything anymore. I keep getting a whistling sound when the wind blows through the holes.
I tried zip ties but they wont hold it together at all. (just joking)
That’s got to be the worst thing to do, even on a senior’s tricycle.
So 4 years later and that hole has caused zero issues. Still... agree. Use a zip tie
never seen an ebike with a magnet, but cool idea. My ebike doesnt have that setup. However I did lookup what color wire on my bike is the limiter.
Instead of drilling a hole you can zipped tie it or used double sided tape. Great video 👍🏽
I did this with zip ties too, I would not drill into the frame that would give me a panic attack :D
Absolutely brilliant. I’ll just use this tip for a bit of fun now and again.
So easy.
Thank you!
Can't do this to the bosch xc motors, they have add software to stop it been done , found today 24th of April 2021
hey curious if a year later you have found a workaround with the bosch motors.
Sorry just wondering if you needed to buy the extra magnet or if you could just use that one
It works,brilliant.
Hey this worked like a charm. Thanks for the video. My Giant explore stock would do 32km/hr and then cut out/in. After your mod I can get to ~44km/hr. I personally find that 36km/hr is a comfortable riding speed for backroads in Alberta mountains. Hardest part was running to the hardware store to get a tamper proof torx. Enjoying the bike a lot more and no problems as of yet
I would of just used an Allen bolt like me on my next bike, and pitlock has thing to put in to make the Allen bolt unable to remove without pitlock key you get
Is it still holding up? Albertan here as well. Was thinking about doing this to my bike.
What if you just move the magnet on the wheel away from the sensor? Would that not fool the sensor?
It would weaken the magnetic signal , meanwhile the wheel still spins a revolution no matter where you place it ,so no :) crank spins slower than the wheel , that's how this modification works ...
@@theneuz3131insightful
Interesting concept. And see all those comments and other alternatives ... when are the makers of e-bikes just going to acknowledge that limiting at 25 is ridiculous when so many people can pedal a normal bike faster than that and fit people are riding them - especially the e-mountain bikes. When it hits 25 on the flat it feels like pedaling with a handbrake on - ridiculous! .
It's imposed by them by law. In many countries it's not legal to motor assist a bicycle beyond the 25 km/t. Obviously this is a software limitation which can be worked around like this, or with a chip. I don't have a mountain bike but I imagine you would only turn on the assist when you are climbing up hill and need help in order to not get so exhausted - after all, it's going down-hill that's fun.
Agree 100 %
Before my E-bike my average speed was 36km/h. Now it's 24km/h 😤
They have to for import purposes. Today 99/100 of then you can just go into the setting and change the max speed ezpz.
Some also have a hard limiter between the batt and controller you can unplug to keep an eye out for.
Though for 25 bucks you can just upgrade to a computer that can show all settings which I did for a friend. Actually, we got him a new controller (22a to 28a) and a computer bundled for 50 bucks and his ebike goes 38mph from 20ish mph.
Mostly a government mandated control in oz
What if the ebike is only a 250w front hub motor (pedal asist) and doesn't have the magnet on the wheel you're explaining. Is that bike's motor just too weak to travel more 16mph?
This won't work with hub motors.
Im lloking for that hack Brussels motor in de behindweel
Wow. Drilled thorough the frame!!!
its all good
I've tried this on my voodoo bizango e I keep getting a error
That's because the firmware detected that your cadence matches exactly to the wheel rpm. This "hack" no longer works. You need to go to the dealer to have the motor reset (if they'll do it as the motor is now no longer covered by your warranty probably). There is a rumour that pedaling the bike in limp mode for 90 minutes will reset the error (flip it over and turn the creaks by hand, it's easier). I don't know if that's true because now I run a shimano motor. Good luck
I have the same
@@givemeakidney does it make problems for the electric parts of the bike of you go 45/ 50 km/h??
@@jelmerjansen328 no, it makes problems for the rider if they're caught, or if they need to use the warranty.
@@givemeakidney okay thnx!
just tried that but in no time it goes into error (102 code on bosh readout): though it reads a lower speed alright... what could I be doing wrong ?
It doesent work on some bosh systems
Bosch has put in software to stop this be done,
@@ON-THE-DRIVEWAY 💩😢
@@ON-THE-DRIVEWAY Bosch are Nazi's don't forget.
@@Charles-Windsor88 and gay bois
My ebike can go 35kph but there's gotta be a way with out it damaging the frame to make it go faster with out drilling any holes any tips?
As other commenters have said, I should've just cable tied the sensor on.
Glue
This won’t work for mine. The motor is on the front wheel. There are no magnets on any of the wheels.
I have a Bridgestone Tb1e
Hello Daniel, Wrote to you a little while ago. Now that the summer is practically over here in Europe I wanted to start the hack process on my GIANT ebike, but surprise, the firm GIANT are not stupid, to take off the sensor the surprise was a nippled torx screw, in other words I needed a hollow torx screwdriver which I didn't have to take the sensor off. I managed to send out an order to Amazon for a set of 32 pcs to fix on a screw driver. The order will be arriving tomorrow so I'll keep you posted on the follow up, Cheers mate.
You are not alone. It took me more than 30 minutes to find the right scredriver, because my Giant has chain protecting case, I could hardly see the screw! I have a 'Giant GrandTour E+ 1 2018' with a Yamaha motor (60 Nm, 250 W). I tried this method. After putting the magnet on the pedal I got two outcomes, 1) the motor works only a little bit, basically it is not working. 2) After changing the position of the magnet several times at last the motor works as before the delimiting, namely the Ebike moves maximal 25 Kmh. In both case the speed display display from 4 to 99 kmh. Anyone has any advice? Thanks in advance! My guss is: there is a maximal working limit for this Yamaha motor and the motor working limit cannot be surpassed even we change the position of the magnet.
I thought I came up with a clever original hack to make my bike faster, now I come across this video... Again I'm not original 😂
You can also change Prefrance of the size of tires. Only if you have smaller than 28inch or 700c. Setting that wheel size on 26 inch ( goes up 1.5 to 2 mph more throttle only)and smaller will increase speed unless you have a locked controller than you have to listen to this video and others...
it give you just a fake speed, the controller need your tire size to calculate your speed....
Hi, Will this hack works with Bosch Active line 2014 (1st gen?). I don't think any restriction or software limitation applied to these early models.
Will this work on Bosch 4th gen motor 2021 cube reaction 500?
It did not work on Shimano E-Steps..The system shut down and displayed sensor error..I assume this will be the same for Bosh
QUESTION: Wont the manufacturer know that I've messed around with the bike If I ever have a problem with the motor and I have to have it repaired?
That’s the chance you take when you knowingly break the law😂👍
Has the frame broken yet where you drilled the screw into it ?
Nope
Omg... It worked very well can't still I can't believe. Thanks a lot
@@jerryx2000 up to 80km/h
@@jerryx2000 Yeah Japanese maglev and sht
Will this work on Cyclotricity Revolver Hybrid 250w , as i just got one coming next week ,
what happens if you remove the magnet, I guess you tried? 0mph ? no assist ? i would think a torque sensor based mid drive would still work unless they programmed no assist if the speedometer doesnt detect speed.
Do someone have problem when all put back in original state? When I put it back on yamaha pw st, display is blinking (range, odo etc) and speed sensor doesnt pick up spee (0 km /h) motor is workimg, I ve tested through diagnostics , and in diagnostic program is showing no of turnings of the wheel
Bike is haibike alltrail 6
Thank you Daniel, just tried it om my naicisports x5 with bafang motor and it works well speed beyond 30km/hr... can somebody give me an idea on the ebike performance if used for a longer and continuous ride...ty
That doesn't work on Bafang Max Drive 250w on a Fischer EM 1865 ebike. It works but when you stop pedalling you get the 21 Error.
Use pass code 0520
I wonder if this can work on ebikes with motors in wheels?
Hi Daniel. I just purchased the LIV Val E+2 ebike, it looks like it has the similar motor sensor to yours, how did you get it off? It looks like the manufacturer has tried to make it difficult to detach it with a screw ive never seen before. Dying to get this over 15mph its so lame at that speed!!
DoubleT I’ve got the same issue with my Giant Explore E
Megan Lim You need a hex screwdriver, only way to do it, cheap on amazon.
So I bought my uncle's 2021 Polygon Path E5 off him and it's max is 32km/h but was limited to 25km/h when it was sold in Australia. With a 504Wh battery that's some bullshit. After one ride to work today I'm looking to remove it, I sit at 35ish pedalling anyway, so this would be ideal. It has the Shimano Steps motor, my uncle said there's a limiter wire installed? Didn't see this sensor you speak of...
Might have to open the motor.
Edit
Def no sensor like the video.
So removed the battery pack and removed the left side motor cover and only see 2 wires that def look factory installed. Need to do some research 😟
As this will upset your speed and ODO reading, wouldnt it be easier to simply move fw or bw the magnet on the wheel to make it not readable by the sensor? Doing this it would always look like you are standing still whilst you are going as fast as much as your gear and your pedal frequency allows...? Where am I wrong?
Wouldn't work. No input from the pedal sensor = no motor assist.
thank you Daniel, it's work for my ebike...
Slower wheel makes it go slower (not faster)
Is there a trick to removing the limiter? I've tried a screwdriver and an allen key but nothing worked
Is putting the Magnet and the Sensor closer to the Center of the wheel not affecting the speed, as it works on the Pedal?l
nope because it's only measuring the rpm. the diameter of the wheels is built-in the controller. if the controller allowed to change the wheel size you wouldn't need any hardware hack, you would just change it to the smallest size as explained in the video
Any chance you’d know if this would work on a Bosch smart motor?
No idea sry
Great hack.... This guy is always thinking of quick, cheap, effective ways to make things work! (Looked a bit dodgy riding the bike with your phone and trying to video....)
Just worth to mention that in case of any accident you may face charges for riding unregistered vehicle without required and valid insurance and if you don't hold moped driving licence then the third charge will be not holding a proper driving licence as ebike without speed restriction is no more treated as bicycle, it's moped instead.
So be cautious if you decide to risk such a modification.
Does this work on prophet ebikes
So what's your top speed after the hack? And what are your thoughts/experiences a year+ later?
Thoughts after a year? It worked great! cruising speed is about 33kph easy riding, can get it to ~40kph peddling hard on flat Regret not cable tying the sensor rather than drilling the frame... the comments section certainly corrected me on that one... That being said I've had no problems with the mod, and the frame is still intact despite the small hole haha. Once I lost the magnet which was funny. Parked up next to a metal bike rack and the magnet jumped onto the bike rack, but I noticed when I left and the ebike wouldn't engage. Went back and found the magnet. That was about all that's gone wrong since I made this video.
What a waste of time, I can do a faster speed of over 30 mph, on the flat, peddling hard, on my aero road bike, with no motor.
@@stevezodiac491 What a dumb comment
@@stevezodiac491 what are you commenting here for then??? we all can do that 30mph on a road bike , no motor, your not exceptional..
@@stevezodiac491thats why we dont like the speed limit of 25km/h. When in good shape few years ago, i did a trail on regular track. A track a bit less than one hour at full speed, i did an average at 32km/h on my light weight tarrain bike with no engine. Even with my now new 115NM ebike, with a speed assistance limit of 25km/h, i stand no chane to keep the same speed. Electric bicycle that is more heavy just dont stand a chance against trained cyclists on road with that speed limits. Thats why we think the speed assistace limits are too low. I get it in cituies and for less aware cyclists that creates danger in traffic. But what with us that is just medium trained and likes realy long trips on bicycles. Unfortunately i am not at the same level that i was. And 70-80km trips on partial terrain or just a bit to hard. And a drug addict put a fire to my barn, i freaking lost ALL my bicycles and losts of equipment.
I'm confused as you say positive and negative when on magnets it is normally north and south from when I hear it
How old is your bike e-bikes have boxes now not magnetic to over coke this issue
Hi, l have it sorted but another thing came up after let's sai 2 minutes padaling it's just gets harder like elctric engine stops helping for a minute than comes back up, why is that?
Thats the software in the bike,
Of u don't want the error you need to reset your motor to the dealer
Srry about my englisch
And why not add a magnet on your bikewheel itself.. if the rotation speed is what your after.
Would it work on a Carrera vengeance ebike?
Thanks for the video! Got the same bike and worked a treat.
Do you mind sharing the URL to the magnet you used?
I've got a huge one taped on at the moment, and another which was too small to pick up.
Also, once in your top gear, does your electric motor cut it and out until you have a steady ready of about 9km/h according to the speedo?
I find if I peddle at about 8km/h according to the speedo while in top gear, the motor is on for a second, off for a second, on, off.
@@idobbim that's your limiter... Mine doesn't do that
This lowered my distance drastically, any way to revert the change?
Nice video and it's a nice bike too but since it is a paddle assist but due to my health I would like add throttle in my cube bike, please advise in detail on how to go about it ?
I later added a thumb throttle no problem. Just buy one, then run the cable down the frame to the controller and plug it into the controller in the throttle slot. Easy
@@danielcaigou Hi Daniel, can you please advise more. Do you have cube ebike too
Thanks
Will this work on BeeCool models?
A smaller wheel will rotate faster, not slower.
He's australian everything is backwards
Yea, but if the controller THINKS your wheel is a 20” or even an 18” (even better), it will confuse the controller-“Hey, it sure is taking a long time for that magnet to come around. I guess I can give the motor more juice. “😊 Just think about 4x4s with bigger tires - the speedo is gonna read slower than you’re actually going.
A smaller tire wheel will not rotate faster nor slower than a bigger wheel at a given driven speed( your crank , pedal rotational speed remains the same) It will just not travel further than a bigger wheel . A small wheel covers less distance per revolution so its slower than a bigger wheel covering more distance per its 1 rotation.
hi, enjoyed watching your video👍, no.1, id like to know, how does this hack effect your battery gauge??
im thinking, if your going faster, you will be using alot more power, which i assume, drains battery faster.
Yeah it'll use a little more battery... but a lot of the energy is required to get you up to top speed, not as much required to maintain top speed.
But yes overall you'll use more battery. But that's a small price to pay for the annoying cut in cut out of a speed limiter
I rader buy a kit were you can turn on and off max speed and the speed is correct, speed box is a great way to set up your bike without any modifications, just plug it in and you simply turn it on and off with the controller on your bike, off max 25kmh and on 99kmh.
Where can I find this kit?
@@cyberacers www.speedbox-tuning.com/
Will this work with bikes with the latest updates ?
Do you always need to pedal for this to work or can you be on full motor mode and it’ll still work?
That's the issue I see with it. Surely if you're coasting (no pedal rotation) the motor will think you're stopped, and get somewhat confused when you suddenly ask it for assistance again? Most motors now are designed with some ramp-in rather than sudden power so it seems to me this would result in an odd feel to the assistance?
Ok jaycar has a speedo converter, it takes the magnetic pulse and puts out another pulse at 0 to 100% rate of the original depending on what you set that too. Theres a switch to set that..
They run on 12vdc, the power down in the motor hub is 36vdc, jaycar sell a dc to dc converter $8 for arduino ( a very handy board) and it will power the speedo converter... (up to 36vdc) wire it up, fit it in the area of the motor , set your percentage to 50% and the controller now thinks 50kmph is actually 25kmph...Shhh dont tell anyone I told you!...
Total price $38.
To fit use a bit of common sense, I bought a plastic holder. $3 for the dc to dc converter.
Skill level - easy
Add a small fuse too in case anything goes wrong! ;-)
Ps dont forget to tx Oring!
Aka me for taking the time to find a cheap and usefull alternative.
I do like this idea too! Im pretty sure bosche engineers are nuts for thinking 25kmph limit was a good idea!
Hell a woman on a girly pedal bike with a basket full of flowers on the front can go quicker! Seriously!
Thank you ! That was doing my head in
How do you hack the jetson bolt pro that doesn't use app?
Does it work for Bosch gen3
Ohhhh I'm going to remove some of the magnets from my PAS bike to see if it will work as well, being the PAS magnetics are on a small wheel hub on mine. If this idea works I will do a update, but I have HUGE doughts.
what problems if any did you discover?
Pas is Yamaha bikes in Japan no?
I have a 'Giant GrandTour E+ 1 2018' with a Yamaha motor (60 Nm, 250 W). I tried this method. After putting the magnet on the pedal I got two outcomes, 1) the motor works only a little bit, basically it is not working. 2) After changing the position of the magnet several times at last the motor works as before the delimiting, namely the Ebike moves maximal 25 Kmh. In both case the speed display display from 4 to 99 kmh. Anyone has any advice? Thanks in advance! My guss is: the position of the magnet plays an important role and there is a maximal working limit for this Yamaha motor and the motor working limit cannot be surpassed even we change the position of the magnet.
what happens if you just remove the magnet altogether?
An error code
@@danielcaigou but everything else works right?
If you want your speed and distance travelled, your smartphone will do that for you.
What's done is done. Zip tie the next if it applies. We all learn from each other. Drilling can also weaken that area.
Does it speed up walk assist mode too?
I don't have/use that feature but I doubt it. That's usually a fixed speed and doesn't rely on peddling to tell it to go.
Just my gut feeling though
no
Will the battery run out way faster
Will this work on a lectric XP bike?
How has the bike been since the hack? Any component went bad?
Been fine
Hi David. What's your mid drive motor?
I have a specialized como bike how can I do this on this bike
Just tried this and I keep getting error 21, what am I doing wrong, thx
Does it work on bosch motor
Carefull, this does not work on some Bosche systems they give an error code and then lockout.
I will do it with a bosch active line plus 2019. Do you expect problems?
@@joepschottenaz Yes, don't try it. The 2019 software has the ability to know its being tricked and lock out, you cannot reset the error code at home.
@@prefect9777 thankyou. I will buy a speedchip;)
@@joepschottenaz kindly let me know how you get on if it works I may copy you!
@@prefect9777 i will do!
what s the exact size ur magnet that u bought have?
Check the comments I posted a link
Is it damaging to a Bosch E-bike?
might be as apparently you can't do it on latest firmware cos they're gay bois
@@TH-camSupportTeams I have just bought a Raleigh Motus with an active line motor now my question is if I will do the magnet trick I might make the software lock up the motor right?
@@andreibugariu208 I have no idea. Bosch have stated they are actively preventing magnet hacks. Lucky I have a brose motor on older firmware and it works fine. These companies are typical German Nazis. You own the thing and they are preventing you from doing what you want with it
why not add more sensors on the back wheel ? ?
1:15 smallest wheel possible? what are you talking about?
If you can set the wheel size on the ebike computer then setting it to a smaller wheel size will make it "think" that the speed is slower since one revolution of a smaller wheel is a smaller distance. Hope that's not a terrible explanation 😬
Josh Shipton Not smaller wheel! You would need to change to bigger one. Coz smaller wheel spin faster. On the same distance smaller wheel will spin twice as much. What computer does is counting how many times magnet went past the sensor.
And based on settings (I believe you cannot change that in settings) calculate the speed based on wheel size. And then you’ll have opposite affect because small wheel will spin faster on same distance.
@@johndeer8108 Yes your right, if you changed the wheel to a bigger one it would increase the max speed limit. If you can change the wheel size setting in the ebike computer (not the wheel itself, just the setting) then setting it to a smaller size will increase the max speed limit again. Because like you said, a smaller wheel will be turning faster and so with the same size wheel, the limit will be higher if the computer "thinks" the wheel is smaller. Of course if you can't change this setting on your ebike then it's of no help knowing that :)
@@joe0932 computers dont think
@@tom8181 Fully aware of that, it's my attempt to make it easier to understand 😊
Daniel Caigou how did you find this warehouse ebike? Was looking at buying one... is it any good?
Hey, yes it is good for the cost. Its not as good as the preicy ones for sure, but for what I paid it has well and truly done me proud. Only whinge is the brakes probably need an upgrade for the power
..and what if you just roll? The magnet on the pedal will be inactive, and the error code may will appear !!?
If you roll you're not pedaling... so the motor won't activate. Just like with a regular mid drive.
Why not change the program with the display.
Can't on this model
Is this work on all types of electric bikes?
This worked like a dream for me. I would now like to fit a 38 or 40 tooth chainwheel to my Giant Talon ebike to enable me to maintain a higher speed with lower pedal revolutions. To date I have not been able to locate one in Australia. If anyone can assist would be appreciated.
Anyone know what the rotation difference between a full crank rotation vs. the wheel rotation on a 28" wheel? I'm curious as to what the % difference in perceived rotation vs actual rotation after modifying.
🤦 that depends on the gear ratio, say front cog has 44t and you on the 11t cog on the cassette then each pedal turn be 4 turns of the wheel, front can be anything like between 22-72t saying the range you can get but it depends on crank, the 72t is more likely on TT bikes or track bikes, rear is like 10-52t depending on cassette you have, think mountain bike can go up to 52t but most older have 34t max and smallest is 10t or 11t or even 12t normally
I mainly ride 44/11 on mountain bike and 53/11 on road bike
would depend on what gear your in
Many times there is a limiter connected to the battery going to the controller. Another way is to see what type of language your controller /screen uses like KT for one eg and get a new computer for your controller. Which he kind of mentions.
Does this also work with shimano?
Does this damage the battery?, because I don’t think it’s meant to go really fast
Nope it's not going that much faster
@@danielcaigou6403 I’ve went like 60 km/h without the limiter, the limiter is like 25 km/h
@@danielcaigou6403 so it is going quite fast
Flip! Yours must have a much bigger motor than mine. Mines only 250W
60kph seems like it might damage the battery
@@danielcaigou6403 giant fathom, I only went that fast once, I thought it might damage it, it’s quite powerful
has anyone tried this on ananda m100 mid motor without any dangerous electrical issues that might ruin the motor
What bike is this
Great video, keeping it simple. I'd use electrical tape. No damage to the frame or paint.
agreed, made a mistake there
Do you still have the bike?
Does IT work on evry e bike?
Thank you for the video. But i have a problem. I have a Bosch motor and a 400 W baterry, It's all ok, speed show me at 7-8 km/h but after 1-2 min show me on the display 102 error, and cut my mototlr on 30 km/h. Any advice please
I also have a latest gen Bosch mid drive unit and have heard of this exact same issue. I have not tried it myself yet, but it clearly must be a problem. I cannot afford one those expensive speedboxes. Anyone know a workaround? I am not bothered about incorrect speed readings.
Please don't drill holes in your frame people. Use any other method necessary! Epoxy resin for example. It's so dangerous to do that to your frame!
agreed... I fluffed that part
100%if you drive hard like me downhill you dont want your frame to be weak
Having the camera down staring at the speedo while you're on the street gives me such anxiety lol, I want to pull my head up to look around
For real
If you added another magnet on the wheel as in having 2 magnets
You drilled the FRAME!! Won't take long for that to crack!! Unreal.
Don't do this with Shimano Steps unless you like walking home. You'll get an error and it will stop working. Pain in the arse to get it back working.