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- Chopin’s second piano concerto is more conventional than his first. The opening Maestoso movement of the piece is modeled on the concertos of Mozart's pupil, Hummel. The central Larghetto is similarly inspired by the Piano Concerto in G minor composed in 1820 by Ignaz Moscheles, but the closing Allegro vivace is original, a stylized Polish folk song. Within the movements, all the standard concerto principles are obeyed: an orchestra exposition of the main themes before a piano exposition of the same material, the usual contrast between the tonic minor and the relative major for the principal and subordinate themes, a lyrical slow movement in the relative minor, and a rondo-form finale in the tonic major. Despite its conventional structure, Chopin's piano writing is idiomatic and highly personal - the lyrical melodies and their ornamentations could have been composed by no one else. Chopin’s piano concertos are often criticized for orchestral writing that is at best competent. This, however, is less a fault than a decision: Chopin, the greatest composer for the piano of his age, would never let anything obscure the brilliance of his piano writing.
The second piano concerto was actually written before the first, but was designated “No. 2” as it was published second.
0:00 - Maestoso
15:37 - Larghetto
26:42 - Allegro vivace
Performed with the Polish Festival Orchestra, conducted by Zimerman - เพลง
11:20 notice how the orchestra accents on each note instead of playing piano. Absolutely love it.
2:55 "oh right...i forgot this was a piano concerto"
The intro is even longer in the 1st concerto
Aha yes i just realised that
True lol
Prok Prok no it’s not, the 1st Concerto has an intro of about 4 mins, this is roughly 2 - 3
Eddie Hutchence You just agreed with him..
6:26 i can't tell you how much i love this particular passage
I am playing this piece and 6:26 is my favorite part too
and then it comes back at 13:15 and is even more beautiful
23:50 omg that is the most beautiful bar of piano music I've ever heard
Chopin is a genius a genius of the piano. And to think that he composed his two concertos at barely 20... He composed his two study books op.10 and op.25 at not even 25 years old... Prolific, visionary and extremely sensitive and extremely fragile... Frédéric Chopin's music cannot be set in stone. Fragile, volatile. I have been playing the piano for quite a few years and for the piano alone, I specify Frédéric Chopin is the greatest pianist that the earth has never worn without a shadow of a doubt. It was also the opinion of Claude Debussy and Franz Liszt himself said that it would have taken him more than a year to compose one of his studies...Chopin is the undisputed master of the piano...For angels only...Chopin forever ❤️🩹 ❤️🩹❤️🩹.
11:09 - 11:54 is my fav part. That orchestral section is one of the most romantic things ever
Reminds me of the ending of Schumann Concerto, the chord progression and the runs in between
Ikr this bit is extraordinary
18:52. Chopin wrote "delicatissimo". Although Zimmerman made a beautiful passage here, the delicate one that Chopin would like to have done, will be a delicate fast piano, after all, Chopin knew how to play notes very quickly and in a smoothly and delicate way.
This recording from Zimerman and the Polish Festival Orchestra is the reason why this concerto reached my top 10 Chopin pieces so quickly. If it weren't for this recording, maybe I wouldn’t have given it as much attention. Truly one of my favorite music recordings of all time. So much care went into it. It's like listening to a flawless dramatic poem summing up his youth in Poland.
We have the same taste! All my videos use what I believe are the best recordings out there.
TacTundra What do you think about Chopin’s Allegro de Concert?
@@lunar.6091He loves it, th-cam.com/video/F3bolVVPDx0/w-d-xo.html
I love all even his younger compositions
A dissenting opinion if I may dare. I understand that Zimerman's recordings of the two concerti are highly regarded. To me, though, they lack any sort of spontaneity. Every note seems planned out and fussed over to the point that the big picture is lost. The liberties taken with the rhythm, instead of sounding genuine, sound calculated to the point that the music's drive is lost, especially in the first movement. This is a problem I have with lots of Zimerman's recordings. I am prepared to be pilloried.
7:09-7:27 Eerie and beautiful, feels like a state where you're half asleep and half awake
7:32 - 7:50
14:09 - 14:27
This melody is heaven, my favourite part by far.
I agree. I just love the downward lines under the melody.
Indeed
It’s my favourite part of movement 1
6:37 just the definition of music
The definition of what music can do. When anyone says something about any piece of music like "it could have gone here; it could have done this, but..."
THIS is what they mean. This is IT. I know he wrote this when he was 19, and the orchestration is more of an afterthought, but the piano writing here, and drive of the music is utterly flawless perfection. That timestamp evolves in a way that evokes vidily changing colors, fleeting memories, impossibly complex feelings, breathlessly chasing after something divine. This is the greatest pianist who ever lived writing an absolute miracle, and it's still a relatively obscure concerto.
I'll get off my soapbox now.
The reason why you can hear fragments of the Nocturne in C Sharp Minor is because the Nocturne was labeled as an exercise before beginning the study of his 2nd Concerto, dedicated to his elder sister Ludwika Chopin.
The 2nd concerto came beforehand, so actually the nocturne features fragments of this piece, not the other way around. Also it was not an exercise, it was just recommended as a piece to learn beforehand--an exercise has quite a different connotation.
@@ammyvl1 Yeah that's exactly what I meant but thanks for pointing that out
It's like a little excerise before you start doing something more complexed
That A flat at 3:55 hits me every time. So heartbreakingly beautiful, so full of meaning.
The second movement is sublimely emotional, something of indescribable beauty. Chopin is along with Bach, Mozart and Beethoven as one of the greatest kings of music, even Liszt had true admiration for his genius composition skills.
7:09 wow....
Eheheheh Chopin's magic beauty ✨✨
This is so beautiful
It always baffles me how a human can write such powerful/beautiful melodies
I always have a tears when listen to this moment, anyway I prefer a bit slower interpretation like Rubinstein performance ;)
7:41 is the heart of this concerto in my opinion
God! How much I love Zimerman… A true titan! All his recordings are treasures and a blessing for the soul and ear!
His performance is much clearer than others, precise, but not staccato. Each note sounded distinctly and beautifully. Perfect! I hadn’t heard Zimmerman’s recording and so glad the score was visible. What a brilliant performance!
Hmmmmm..... Nocturne in C# minor (6:02), I see you there....!!!!
classic chopin sound design
1:34 too
I personally compare it to the raindrop prelude
4:27 is so... satisfying
0:00 - Maestoso
15:37 - Larghetto
26:42 - Allegro Vivace
5:52 good easter egg by Chopin right there; this is the same melody from his widely known nocturne in c# minor, the final one.
Other way around, actually. The nocturne features samples of this concerto, since it was written as a medley on themes from concerto 2 and polish folklore. The nocturne features melodies from all the movements of this concerto and also a polish song.
33:39 The switch to major is so fucking satisfying god damn Frycek u genius aaaaa
11:00 this is marvelous.
31:32 - 31:45 remembered me
Chopin's nocturne in c sharp minor, the end of the major section
Exactlyyy
26:16 this tooooo!! :D
5:52-5:56 as well
I love the second movement, I find that I lean towards the slower, more tranquil side of compositions. The same is the case for Chopin’s 1st Concerto.
This Larghetto is the best from Chopin to me! I love the second part!
I personally prefer more active movements, usually in a piano concerto my favorite movement is the first one
Honestly, as for the first, I prefer the first movement to the other two, as in my opinion, as it contains the best part of the orchestra. The piano part though, in all three movements, throughout, is mind-blowing!
im actually not a fan of the second movement in this one, but I believe the second movement in the first concerto was an absolute masterpiece!
@@jojomj how are you not a fan of the 2nd movement
Someone who's never experienced the windy, rainy, cold November Autumn in Poland and who's never seen its landscapes during that season will never understand this music.
Self note:
Mozart trill cadence: 14:50
Repeated note beauty mirrors: 23:33 and 18:50
7:07--->8:07 Dramatic mozart trill cadence:
6:36 - 7:41
and
13:17 - 14:19
My favourite parts, so melodic and harmonious, with grief, sorrow and at the same time, hapiness and sweetness. Just wonderful. I firmly believe that no other composer, besides Chopin, is able and will ever be able to create such masterpieces.
Wow! I now see that this piece is much than I originally surmised (and I began to play the first movement, up to the dominant key change).
This is considerably more complex than P.C. #1 (which I did learn almost the entire first movement of - I even got through the entire development: only the coda was left [then I graduated college and no longer had access to the practise rooms or a piano). I honestly cannot even fathom how Chopin composed both of these pieces at essentially the same time... and one semitone apart, incidentally, which is, like, the most immiscible recipe, composition-wise.
He just understood the middle movement so well. If you listen to Bellini's music, especially his 'Beatrice di Tenda' - you can hear such similar, perfect and luscious phrasing. He didn't rush, he didn't push, he observed precisely what was meant to always be. The only performance of the middle movement one needs to hear/know
10:29 - 11:28... the most beautiful passage ever written for piano and orchestra...
while inversions and augmented arpeggios do indeed sound brilliant, i highly doubt this is the most most buatiful passage ever written
13:06 to 13:30 hold my beer
Usually I’m more of an uptempo fan of Classical music, even though I’ve grown more of a soft spot for slower works over the years, but the Larghetto from this piece is just heavenly!! His first Concerto has a great slow movement as well, but this one is on a different level. That A theme is one of the few musical themes that can truly bring a tear to my eye!! Such passion and emotion!! And to think he wrote it at the age of just 20!!
11:20 and 10:40 are the most beautiful melody’s I’ve ever heard. It’s very nice also being able to read the music. It adds to the story Chopin was trying to tell
Immaculately performed.. Zimerman is really a perfectionist with excellent musical taste.
Krystian Zimerman was a winner of the Chopin competition - he deserved it !!
4:32 sounds kinda similar to that passage from the 1st mov of his 1st concerto :D
The larghetto brings tears to my eyes.
7:09🤩
Unpopular opinion, I like the concerto more than the 1st
Eddie Hutchence unpopular opinion yes, I personally love the 1st more but maybe I’m slightly biased as I am more familiar with it. What I can say for sure is that they both have wonderful 2nd movements.
@@antonygonzalez1672 definitely, the second movements are the highlights of both concertos
Eddie Hutchence : In fact ( j can make mistake ) but the second concerto of Chopin is the first written by Chopin the dates are the publication. If a people can answer if j mistake but j don't believe
@@antonygonzalez1672 here is a personnal choice in fact there is not one minute in music of Chopin that is boring , all what Chopin write is a masterpiece , impossible to critic except if we don"t understand classical music and there are many people about that ; j think sincerely that many pianists don't known what they play , it's necessary to listen Samson Samson François- on Y Tube in some audio-show to understand what j mean where with him we are very far from here with a meticulous pianist less known if Martha Argerich did't talk about Zimerman as she made also with I Pogorelich Nelson Freire ,.to day there is a mediatic fact necessary when we known that mostly first price competitions of piano are unknown Zimerman is very far from to be the best there are many and many pianists better than Zimerman because a few people go in Interbational competitions ; there are one Y T to day very young pianists but they are no listened, now in this minute j listen on Y T Study-Chopin op25-11 by Hayato Sumino unknown listen him and many young pianists on Y Tube no more than twenty Y old you will be surprised , .Notoriety is not always talent !
@@victorrobin642 is it really easier? i got the impression theyre really about the same
A year ago I had no interest in this piece, now it’s one of my favourite things to listen to. Weird how the mind changes like that
Please listen to Aleksei Sultanov
13:15-13:30 is so beautiful
29:36 always sounds like somebody singing
10:59 - 11:20 I like this part
Yes, this is beautiful
I like that part too
That's my favourite part! ❤
One of the bests pieces of Chopin!!
Chopin to najpiękniejsza spuścizna dla ludzkości ❤️
Thanks for uploading with score
Am I the only one who sees a ton of Mozart's influence?
I think the long orchestral exposition, especially in the 1st concerto, gives me real Mozart vibes for sure
both concerti were heavily influenced by hummel (go listen to his piano concert!) who was a student of mozart
Álex the Benighted I hear late Beethoven in the first movement
cpc moment
@@musik350 What does cpc mean?
10:30-11:00 Incredible composition meets masterful recitation.
04:47 I love this spot! As if Chopin would snap and burst with rage!! It's very rare and wonderful to do something like that in a musical way
1 часть.
0:00 - главная партия (оркестр)
1:04 - связующая партия
1:19 - побочная партия
2:11 - завершающая партия
2:55 - главная партия (рояль)
3:37 - побочная партия 1
5:30 - побочная партия 2
8:12 - завершающая партия
9:16 - разработка
11:47 - реприза главная партия
12:05 - реприза побочная партия 2
15:01 - завершающая партия
Thank you.
This’s the nicest concerto I’ve heard!
So gorgeous -- this causes my Spirit to soar -- I feel lighter when listening, uplifted & encouraged. Almost as though I am dancing on a cloud !
13:45 31:03 Two of my favorite parts :)
Excellent, I love it
Brilliant! Thank you!
There is no better way to play this wonderful piece than C. Zimerman does here. It is perfect in every detail . Epic!
Thilo Mathias Erdl : " perfect in every detail " it's that the fault , Chopin wrote " la simplicité est l'éssence même de l'Art " Zimerman too meticulous : more soul less perfect technic is better whit Chopin
@@alainspiteri502 soul and technique are not mutually exclusive. Zimerman not only has perfect technique, he also brings out the little details in the music, while not being overly sentimental. In my opinion, he is THE Chopin interpreter, second to none. Listen to his interpretation of the mazurkas and the ballades (also the 1st Concerto) and you will know what I mean
@@tiagosilva9152 with music we don't talk about technic , at CNMD -Paris a young student 16 Y old has all technic of piano who is necessary to speak with his piano , in fact j'm erea of Samson François with Philarmonic orchestra Monte Carlo j have cto Chopin akso cto Ravel with theirs . When j was young j listened also old recordings and discover Chopin-studies by Alfred Cortot j listen since very far from to day , j'm too old to listen Mazurkas by others pianists that Rubinstein becayse j have them in my brain ; so to day j listen on Y T very young pianists in this time Daniil Kharitonov , j don't understand why but j don't like here rtoo meticulous j think a true musician don't play two Times the same thing with the same concerto and don't think about tempo it's the pianist who is the tempo of a cto no the Principal of orchestra ; j M old you like a pianist listen akso old pianist of an other erea it's necessary to listen new generation and old erea good music for you
@@alainspiteri502 one thing that I absolutely love about Zimerman's playing is the "pearly sound" that he sometimes produces for example at 18:53 this is unique for Zimerman, or at least I have not heard another pianist using this "pearly" technique
@@alainspiteri502 of course, technique is only meaningful when combining it with musicality, it should always serve the purpose of music. Zimerman has amazing technique aswell as great musicality
Samson Francois with Louis Fremaux Monte-Carlo Orchestra is a melody always amazing to day
33:59 Ballade in g-minor
34:01
Which part of the Ballade are you referring to?
Ahhh is wonderful !!!!!
Ngl imo this concerto is more romantic than of the first, more emotions and passions flow from the piece
Gorgeous
El segundo movimiento Larghetto, me llega al alma........
I really wish he would’ve developed those 4 bars starting at 0:18 it’s one of my favorite little themes from this concerto
I find that Chopin does this quite often in his other works also. It sometimes feels as if his themes are "imcomplere" and should've been further expanded.
This interpretation is extraordinary: the orchestra and the piano seem fused in the expressive exchange. It doesn't sound like it was played by Zimerman, but by Chopin himself!
Practicing this, wish me luck 🤞✌️😬
I love this melody even if i'm not a specialist.
너무 좋아요 ㅠ
20:22-21:50 THIS PART GETS ME EVERY TIME
This is the best ever....... Nothing I can say.
Como se luce el pianista ,Bravo !!
God i just love it so much!! especially the second mvt. But imagine chopin wrote a late concerto! that would be amazing!
Allegro de Concert Op. 46
@@darkstudios001 Sorry but that thing is just awful...
@@virtuosiproducoes2591 How? I find Allegro de Concert one of his best, perhaps it's Un-Chopinesque as many people view it
ГЕНИАЛЬНО!!!
I love it❤️🎹🎵
Zimerman never makes a mistake
Самое впечатляющее исполнение этого концерта из всех слышанных интерпретаций.
Цимерман великолепен. И всё же Султанов - моя любовь. Могу слушать бесконечно
32:50 makes me teary
27:42 🔥🔥🔥
That Allegro vivace, it's even better than that of the first.
Totally agree! and as a person who tries to learn it for the past decades (!) the coda of the third movement is so tricky to play with the thirds run on the right hand.
6:39 and 7:05 wow
10:46 - 10:51 is literally schumann concerto
Chopin wrote this Concerto first.
Chopin Piano Concerto - finished 1830
Schumann Piano Concerto - finished 1845
The monte romanesca sequence predates both of them by probably about 2 centuries lol
Gracias......!!!!!
Wonderful and brilliant
This is more playable than his first ( of course THE zimmerman made it seems so effortless)
syed Zulfaez
No... no no no no. Zimerman*. Zimmerman is the guy who shot a kid in 2012.
Korolev Piano true but I get the confusion as the spelling is not consistent with the pronunciation.
@@korolevpiano7794 LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
14:00
The ending is out of this world.
You know it's a great piece because there are lots of interesting timestamps in the comments...
Концерт очень красив! Циммерман играет очень проникновенно, с душой, он мастер!❤🎉👌
...разве что изредка до собраных ими слёз...:)
Exelente !!!
28:57
C# minor nocturne
"Chopin’s piano concertos are often criticized for orchestral writing that is at best competent. This, however, is less a fault than a decision: Chopin, the greatest composer for the piano of his age, would never let anything obscure the brilliance of his piano writing." Huge cope lmfao
who are you quoting? i wonder how they knew chopin decided that
How can people seriously criticize orchestral writing in a piano concerto I mean the whole focal point of the piece is the piano I couldn't care less how good or bad the orchestration of a Romantic era piano concerto is
imagine being as good a composer as chopin and then centuries later u have an army of midwits criticizing your orchestral work LOL
"uhm ackshually his orchestral work, contrary to his piano, is very...." lololol
@@sam-np4ol I understand critique on composers but only to an extent, Chopin is nearly untouchable in his compositional skills, also how do you expect a man who only composed three pieces with an orchestra to be an amazing orchestrator?
Arcydzieło, rewelacja ! Chopinie, geniuszu ❤️
Is nice, I like
The third movement coda wow
4:40 14:57
Zimerman reinvente ce concerto. Quant au larghetto, c'est un vrai champ Bellinien comme le voulait Chopin. Grand disque !
10:45 sounds so much like schumanns concerto
True, really !
Chopin's F minor Concerto was written many years before Schumann's Concerto. And Chopin knew nothing of Schumann's music when he composed both of his Concertos.
@@remomazzetti8757 thanks for the feedback, I was only making connection but I guess the wrong connection,l
5:00
26:53
Final Movement: From F minor to F major 33:43
2:55 [piano]
5:35 [con anima]
7:08
16:30
16:56
18:51
23:35