AMEN - players obsess over that too much and attacth there whole playing "identity" to a fancy title I dont play ranked (1st dan) and i do plenty of FT5s with high ranked players and i do just fine
@@jinpachichulo7561 yea i will keep coping being a 1st dan and beating blue ranks kings emperors and supremes ect in FT5 sets knowing the match up> rank
@@jinpachichulo7561 not in tekken. Not worth it. Ranked is for fighting against players just as bad as you. Tekkens ranked system allows vets trying the new dlc to fight noobs in green. Might as well play casuals at that point.
Currently stuck on bushin. When i was first trying to get fujin, i felt there was a serious skill gap. Experiencing that again now. I dont think theres inflation. Im matched up against kings and gods, even pro players. The data corroborates mainman take as well
I think in blue ranks it's definitely much harder to rank up, to get a character to fujin is very easy but to get them to tekken king or emperor is much harder.
Exactly. Green ranks were actually common back then. Green and yellow. Vanquisher, Destroyer and Savior were Purple and Blue Ranks. Genbu, Byakko, Seiryu, Zuzaku were Tekken King, Emperor. Blue ranks were the God ranks and God ranks in Tag 2 were cheaters.
Agreed I miss that it used to display your record on certain match ups. It's like I had a target on my back when I played against a character I was 80% against and they out ranked me.
People are just abusing the game because how are people with 40 defense getting purple. They are spamming crazy strings and constant plus on block moves for easy wins because of how much guessing is involved
Emp/King is blue ,blue is purp, purp is red, red is orange, and so forth. Alot of ppl wouldnt make it past yellow or orange in t8 if rank went down and it was 4 ranks per color. Perfect example is i have a friend who was stuck at yellow in t7. In t8 he doesnt understand the game and plays the same way and is MR.
Some say blue is the new green. And I think they’re right for the most part. People not punishing, using flow chart patterns, relying on latency to help them win.
All I know is that I genuinely feared playing ranked in t7 because I couldn't maintain mighty ruler. Now in t8 I'd hit Kishin in just 3 months and everything feels natural. It doesn't feel right to believe that Ive just gotten that much better.
Its fine tbh, its just a different style of play, which you happen to be more suited too. doesn't mean you do not deserve you rank. keep going and improving!
Kishin is definitely the equivalent of 7s purple ranks. It would be yellow ranks in or early orange ranks in Tag 2. You didn't improve, they simply moved the ranks. Remember, green ranks basically don't exist. Same thing with my buddy, he is now Raijin but was stuck at purple ranks forever in 7. He didn't improve.
@@jinpachichulo7561 i disagree with this, they didn't improve at tekken 7 sure, but tekken 8 is a different game with different systems. they play differently. some people are BETTER at this game, while some people are WORSE. there is SOME inflation because of the absurdly broken characters that the game started with.
@@KobePlaysGacha You're gaslighting yourself and others, there's clearly a lack of skills and fundamentals, you don't need to have a crystal ball to know that the Tekken team wanted to make this game easier for casuals and weaker players, hence all the dumb strong moves getting buffed, super strong moves getting added, heck we have now heat smash in which is a rage drive that goes in stance and you're so plus that your opponent can only guess.
Thats not complete true cuz TMM also mentions always in his streams it also depends wich character you achieved a rank with and i completly agree on that one . Reaching Fujin with Victor or Yoshi is not the same like Reaching it with Steve or Lee for example
True. I just started playing Zafina. And I haven't even bothered to learn all her optimal stuff. All I do is spamming 5050s and plus frames. And I can probably do this all the way to Fujin. T8 is all about that 5050.
It's easier to get Fujin in this game than in T7, that's a fact. But after Bushin it gets really tough to rank up because of the point distribution. I'm currently Tekken Emperor and if you lose to Tekken Gods or TGS you get absolutely destroyed with the points you lose.
Yeah, it's been tough in blue ranks, sometimes ill play a fujin who plays like his rank, then ill match against a battle ruler who plays like he's a bushin, and sometimes ill get back to back jin players, demoting me back to flame, it would take me 2 or 3 days to get back to kishin, rank is so inconsistent now, might as well play quick play if im not gonna get matched with people my skill level
@@buckbreaker5185 i dont agree with this in terms of KBD. i think making sidestepping weaker made it easier for people. KBD is only really good for whiff punishing and it can still be done.
Yeah you dont really need to kbd anymore although it is still slightly better than regular backdash, for the average player regular is infinitely better than kbd because of how difficult and non rewarding it is. I try my best to kbd but i get caught and punished between them a lot and get launched lol still working on my spacing and timing
I know I'm at a higher rank in 8 than I was in 7. I don't know if it's due to inflation or if I've gotten better, but I think Tekken 8's more aggressive style is better for the way I play.
Oh absolutely! I played Tekken 7 for years between PC and PS4. Highest rank was Fujin with Lei. Now in 1 month of playing online in Tekken 8, I'm Bushin with Feng.
3:54 I think none of us are aware nor well-versed to an integrated level of Tekken 8 counterparts of the returning characters at the moment. I was fairly confident that having experience Tag 2 Jun and Lars (& T7) or any aforementioned would give me a leverage yet FT2 is an anomaly factor that you need to know their T8 & Layer 2 stuff in order to stand a chance.
Hell. I can't get out of the Red Ranks , because they base match-ups on Tekken power/prowess (which is dumb). So I'm constantly matched up against someone much higher than me in Rank. Plus I don't have a "main" , I play with 18 different characters so I don't lose interest in the game. So yeah , my Tekken power/prowess is up , but the match-ups are not good for me (IMO). Maybe it will get better. Who knows? I'm just a weekend warrior in T8.
i got to red in t8 and barely scratched the yellow ranks in 7 lmao i haven't played in about two months because of work but hopefully i can climb up now that i'm out for summer break
Keep going bro you'l hit purple soon. I was destroyer in t7 and now im battle ruler in t8. Ik i did get better because im focusing more on my skills and fundamentals but theres still rank inflation helping me along
Well with the way how the rank system works now, if your good, you'll get matched up with people with similar tekken proweses. So if your prowess is 140k +, doesn't matter what rank you face, you'll be facing people that have played tekken for a lot longer or just as long as you.
There are more factors at play in Tekken 8. If you play kazuya, Devil jin, Steve, or Bryan, You’re Not carried at all. Any other character in this game will carry you several ranks further than you should theoretically deserve. However, this ceases to be the case much past kishin/bushin Level. Ranks Even out at mid blue ranks in T8 to be the equivalent to their counter parts (Yaksa/Ryujin) in Tekken 7.
I don’t know if it’s inflated or not, but in terms of points at stake the game seems to like to punish you, both harder and more often, for losing than it rewards you for winning. This is not a problem if you consistently win, but it seems even if you win 55% of the time you go backwards most the time based on loss penalties.
I think both is true, but it depends on the rank. It's very easy to rank up to Warrior. And if people have some dedication it's relatively easier to reach Fujin compared to T7. But from there up to the highest ranks, it's getting really hard and this is where deflation starts. And the inflation is between Warrior and Fujin.
im a tekken king Lili player, i played her since 7. I got into shaheen at the beginning of last month. It took me around 4 hours to get him to Fujin. After that, i just hit Kishin with him yesterday. What you are rigth saying that from red to purple there is a lack of skill, but from fujin onwards, it gets SUPER tough to rank up. This game is super hard. Also, i think that you achived a new rank in T8 just because you got better bro. Playing for so long pays off.
it's totally not meaningless tho, but the ranks are now wack since the red rank feels like the new green rank compared to t7. Rank still emphasizes that throughout every rank it gets harder, mighty and blue rank is still not a joke
Here's my opinion. The ranked difficulty is probably depends on the region. As an Asia 3 player, facing higher ranked NA players seemed way easier than Asian players. Most of my opponents in purple ranks are already fundamentally skilled though I only really play ranked once a week.
The problem is you have to compare season 1 Tekken 7 vs Tekken 8 season 1 Mainmanswe comparing season 4 of T7 to Season 1 of T8. Season 1 Tekken 7 I was Juggernaut with Claudio by season 4 with Claudio. I was Ryujin. Rank inflation is real because T8 is too random.
For me, there are ranks that are inflated, such as mighty ruler to fujin, a lot of people who barely know how to defend themselves and mashe like crazy, and leaving that aside, I can assure you that Tekken 8 does have people with inflated ranks because I I'm one of those, in Tekken 7 I was a vanquisher while here in just 35 hours of playing I reached battle ruler, so it's not like it's a BIG CHANGE in skill from Tekken 7 to Tekken 8
The more ranks a ranked system has the worse it is to say who is actually at the level they display, i struggle to climb on sf6 but it has less ranks but the level ofnthe rank helps a bit even tho some people are at platinum or diamond bc they abuse scrub stuff that most people think they're already away from that, sf5 was harder to climb bc it had more people who wanted to be good not people who wanted to show off But one thing is for sure, a lot of people play lower ranks bc they want to climb fast in tekken there is no such thing on sf6 bc the ranked system only allows for people 1 grade higher or bellow your current rank with exception of casual matches
In tekken 7 I got to Ryujin as my highest rank before they added the Tekken God Omega rank and demoted players a few ranks back. I couldnt get past Fujin since then. Fast forward to now In Tekken 8 I stayed at Kishin after being demoted back and forth between that and Raijin. Now im just playing player matches and staying off ranked for now.
I feel like ranks all the way up til blue are a joke. i have seen so many players in purple ranks just not know how to punish and will spam the most launch punishable moves...but once u hit blue ranks it becomes EXTREMELY different.
remove prowess, remove the free ride to yellow, and reverse the point losses. losing more to someone higher than you and losing less to beginners? thats dumb af
To your point about beating GoD's I would say its just knowledge check stuff and flashbang where if they dont know what to do theyre done. then they go pummel the other half of the cast. i for one need to figure out how to cancel shackle after Devil Jin heat smash, as i literally cant use it against yoshimitsu as i get launched on block, since flash counters all mourning crow options (even if i hold back while not pressing)
I have mixed feelings I think the rank would be more balanced if you fought the people in the rank that you are at. The power makes it more convoluted because as long as you reach a high power you will always fight high level people regardless.
U forgetting that the Eddy bot isnt like some repeat of a tekken 7 feature but that the devs literally made 3333333 spam do more than what it does in T7 .. so its complete nonsense to compare where the bots ended up at in each game
I think there is a confusing between high skill, and randomness i noticed when there are two strong players the game become more rock paper scissor like.. in Tekken 7 and prior if a player is slightly better then you there is a huge chance he win consistently making the game more arbitrary doesn't make it more skillful it just makes it more random
I reached tgo in t7 and the highest I've ever reached in t8 is emperor..the games mechanics give characters significant advantages they didn't have in t7. So even if you were a fujin in t7 you can reach tekken king in t8
Yea… but do u see how many tools tekken 8 has to offer now? Maybe there some inflation for lower ranked ppl but I also think a lot of just got better . BUT WHY? Here’s why: there’s replays now, there’s better tutorials , the characters are generally easier to use, the heat system also helped And overall, we have all gotten better learned more since T8. Even me, my ranks higher b than it was in T7, but I’m also better then I used to be
I noticed something interesting in T8 rank, im at Tekken Supreme and I play people on my rank or GoD and I notice huge skill difference at these ranks, in T7 every Tekken God player was craaaacked! no one could say hes a True Tekken God but plays like a fujin.
In T7, my highest ranks was divine ruler. In T8 my highest rank is mighty ruler. Seems about the same to me. But then again, I'm not competing for the very top spots.
I'm a garyu....new to tekken and I play casually. Ranks dont seem to matter much. I've beaten as high as raijin and beaten by beginner. Lol. The matchmaking, smurfing, coupled with the fact most casuals are gone now....makes it make sense how everyone feels about it one way or the other. Fun game all the same imo.
people are not taking into consideration how much easier it is to improve now compared to 7. Training mode is better, replay takeover, tons of educational content out for the game due to so many new blood entering the scene. Also people remember tekken 7 as harder because it was their first tekken. Tekken 8 is for alot of people their second tekken and unsurprisingly you have an edge on people who t8 is genuinely their first tekken. Theres definitely some inflation in reds/purple but past blue it gets real tough.
I would say you are wrong because of the new Tekken Prowess matchmaking and points system. This system does not work when the pool of people are smaller and you cannot see anything about the other player. Also the point system is lacking when you can be matched with +2 or higher rank difference multiple times and lose the same amount of points as a match with the same rank. Also the point gain for a win against a +2 rank is so small it’s not worth the extra effort. 400pts for a same rank win and 480pts for a win over a +2 rank is BS.
8 times out of 10 it always comes down to knowledge checks. I'm Tekken Emperor but I remember struggling against Kuma Mighty Ruler because I didn't know the match-up. It was my fault for not taking time to lab the character lol.. I refuse to believe anyone can get into blue ranks without having good fundamentals. main man is right. Also, most casuals have likely put down the game. It's just sweats now lmao
My opinion, It's not really a big problem if you play one character? But if you play More than one character, there it is just because of the whole prowess, match up in the previous game you weren't matched up against people so much higher level than you.
IMO, after red it feels similar. Maybe there are a bit more boosted characters (eg Alisa, Viktor), but I'm playing similar players in the same ranks as I used to in T7
I feel like region also plays a small part, like I feel like europe has many more talented players than like the U.S for example which may be y mainman feels this way (jus my observation ofc)
Its definitely inflated but people are comparing END LIFE of t7 to ARCADE BONANZA beginning of t8, we havent had the multiple rank resets yet where the true high level players prevail and rise back up the ranks. So this rank inflation is only temporarily correct. I think main man has a point that its both true and false, with the entiry new system, tekken emporer and above requires a new level of adaptation and skill, but it is definitely easy to get to that point especially depending on what characters youre using
I don't know, these rank comparisons are funny. I mean half the t7 gods were boosters. Season 1 t7 genbu was like current blue ranks. It's all relative to the current state of the game, and we can only speak generally since you can boost in both games.
I think the main reason you (and everybody else) is beating higher ranked players is because of the fact that they made attacking SOO much easier than defending. so if you get your offence started their rank doesnt really matter. they have to guess the same way a ruler rank has to. That wasnt the case in t7. So other way of saying that is they made the game easier for weaker players.
I haven’t played much rank but I do play a lot offline and its all scrubs at red. I normally have to play people who are 150k higher than me and they don’t know frames at all
I got to Enjoyer Of Destruction on my 2nd ID with Shaheen even though I've played him partially due to semblance between Him & Negan to play Negan better yet I don't think I'm worthy of that rank yet because FT2 also contributed to that easy attainment. Only Leroy is what I'd struggled the most to rank with but since the buffs its a familiar scenario.
you are wrong when you say in tekken 8 you cannot press select to see their real rank , on tekken 7 Steam you couldnt see their real rank either , only on console , and in tekekn 8 you can tell people rank by looking at their prowess , if som1 is mighty ruler and have like 230 000 pts , it means that they are Bushin - Tekken King , and palying with a secondary char , yo ualso can see their real rank after the match by pressing on their profil
Have to say that i like TMMs take, not because i think its true, but people getting a certain rank gives them a personal win, and then going on yt just to see a person you like watching shit on your rank feels really bad, so why not hype people up and tell them they are doing good, nothing wrong with that.
@@marcusjones9084 no we dont lmao. that data is trash because they base it on replays, thats heavily flawed. hit tekken king with 36 defense score in first month spamming shit with feng then didnt play a single game, my data isnt calculated.
Yes, I hate the whole new prowess. System not gonna lie.It's helped me tremendously in the game but it's made it very stressful when it comes to ranking up
Players aren’t fr playing better than 7. If you’re in high level on 8 u face the same cheap characters. The game is fun but it’s not balanced, this game Carry’s if u play certain characters.
inflated for sure, can you even derank in low ranks? the level of play is massively decreased overall, as far as i'm concerned ranked means nothing I've seen max ranked that cant tech throws or do a single combo
You are carried by yoshi..Get off of yoshi and you will see..Its hard to approach yoshi because of flash being so broken..You try to be aggressive but you cant because here comes flash..So you are constantly trying to bait meanwhile yoshi gets to do whatever..
So glad someone said it bro those swords alone track both sides for free combos I was getting hit next to the wall and he was facing the opposite way still doing his 222 string and it’s still clipped me because he’s just waving swords around brainlessly
also a lot of people seem to leave out, at the end of the lifespan of tekken 7, ranked was UNBEARABLE to play. newer players couldn't rank up without running into smurfs at lower ranks, which in turn makes it harder to learn when your not getting paired with people at your level. while in this game, since its new, people get paired with people of their skill level and can progress more naturally.
I believe these pro players are getting mad that us ppl they think are trash are evolving and just getting better all the way around lol these old pro players don’t wanna hang up there controllers or arcade sticks 😂😂😂😂
I think a lot of these people who are seeing these issues are people who don't play just one character because it's not really a big difference unless you're playing a lot of People I've gotten so many arguments with people about that and i've actually made multiple profiles just to kind of test the theory It was a lot easier getting too tekken king With My one character profile Because I play a lot of characters just to GET UP and Blue.I've been playing tekken kings and higher on almost every match I think majority of the people don't play more than one character unless you're like a very high level player and I think that's The audience that are having these types of issues because I can definitely see it
Definitely inflated. There are different reasons as to why. 1, Like you already said, you basically skip two or 3 colors for free. 2, knowledge checks. With the game being so new some characters carry some players who don't deserve the ranks but got up there with bs but will quickly get demoted once the gimmick is figured out and no more knowledge check or once the player goes back to that character. Some people get their highest rank with a bs character like Azuzena then drop her to protect their rank. They did it with Eddy. They'll do it with Lidia. Faced so many blue ranks with high Tekken Power (TP) and when i checked their profile their main was Tekken King with Eddy. Zero level of skill. Expect another rank boost with Lidia. Also, ranks completely changed after 2 patches ago when they started matching based on TP. I got hit hard. Got demoted all the way down to Flame Scrub. They had me facing players whos main was GoD. And it wasnt even accurate bc a lot of them had a 300K+ TP. Not very many but i got a few 400k. I had to work just to get to Raijin. Then after the latest patch i get Tekken King with my 2nd character, easily. Why? Bc now im facing people with my own TP. 200k - 260. Where did all the players with the 280+ TP go? Oh yeah, ran into em again at Emperor. While i did get one or two ranks better, i didn't improve that much these last few weeks that i have only been playing on Saturdays. Thats why i called you out a few vids back when you bragged about "not being afraid of losing my Tekken King, look, i got on and got Emperor". Yeah, its a lot easier to rank up again for whatever reason. Point is, blue ranks are pretty scrubby now. No, you didn't improve guys. They're manipulating the ranking system. Unless you're GoD you're a scrub. And something tells me that even a few GoDs are scrubs too. Having said that, OBVIOUSLY if you're a blue rank, you're better than a purple rank if you're using the same character. What im saying is, if you're a blue rank in 8 but were purple or red in 7, no you didn't get that much better. If you're blue rank now but was purple on the last patch, no, you didn't get better. Just like lm not better bc i got my 2nd character to Tekken King when i was Raijin a month ago.
This debate is dumb cause everybody is not the same, it's not like tekken 8 has the same mechanics or combat system as tekken 7. Adapt or keep crying, there is only 2 option. Or you can always go back to tekken 7. In every game sequel need a new mechanic or that game become boring. FGC is full of cry babies ngl, I like tk7 more too cause of defensive playstyle but ain't no way I am gonna bash developers for trying something new. Or complain every time when something doesn't go their way.
not really sure if this is connected to the rank flation vid but just something i noticed, never really bought the game yet but the players are getting better just out of nowhere, i pirated the game and played it, somehow it feels like everyone is carried by the characters due to the game being uber boosted and i have heard people saying its easy to rank up as well as knee yapping on the game lol noticing all this is hesitating me from buying unless they release marduk or ak
TMM SWE compares tekken 8 to tekken 7. The real comparison is tekken 8 vs ttt2. Back in the ttt2 days, TMM SWE had a video series called "road to fujin". he failed. he never reached fujin. In this game he's god of destruction.
The best MM TTT2 vid was one called Road to brain tumour, something like that. he lost almost all his matches in rank because of lag and was pissed throughout the entire vid. It one of his best video's imo, he removed it from his YT but i Downloaded and have it saved
@@KobePlaysGacha yeah he may have gotten better at Tekken during that time, but not enough to go from the red ranks to the highest rank in the game without rank inflation. If you're denying rank inflation at this point you're delusional.
100% inflated. I couldn't get past Warrior rank in T7. Every time I came across a Fujin rank in T7, they were God like . I am a Bushin ranked in T8 and I am still scrubby as hell.
Im sorry but TMM is cappin so damn hard (Maybe for clicks/views? Idk). Why do I say this? Because OBJECTIVELY the system is harder to demote out of. What I mean is that in previous Tekken games, when you get demoted, you are not INSTANTLY on promotion. That is a huge factor in this. Im currently Tekken Emperor Reina (seldom play ranked bc its more fun to play sets with friends both online and off) and Fujin/Raijin players legit player like Ruler ranks in T7. Hell, Orange ranks in Tag2. Lastly, and I meant to say this earlier, when you gain said new rank even if you were demoted from it, you STILL get that rank buffer into it. Why is that? So when you combine getting demoted and next match being a promo COMBINED with that same win always going to put you like 30-40% into the next rank.....yeah. Can't argue facts.
Who cares about ranks. Just focus on improving.
AMEN - players obsess over that too much and attacth there whole playing "identity" to a fancy title
I dont play ranked (1st dan) and i do plenty of FT5s with high ranked players and i do just fine
Rank is the only way or at least the best way to know if you're improving. Rank matters. Keep coping.
@@jinpachichulo7561 yea i will keep coping being a 1st dan and beating blue ranks kings emperors and supremes ect in FT5 sets
knowing the match up> rank
@@buckbreaker5185 Tekken still takes more skill than other fighting games
@@jinpachichulo7561 not in tekken. Not worth it. Ranked is for fighting against players just as bad as you. Tekkens ranked system allows vets trying the new dlc to fight noobs in green. Might as well play casuals at that point.
Currently stuck on bushin.
When i was first trying to get fujin, i felt there was a serious skill gap. Experiencing that again now.
I dont think theres inflation. Im matched up against kings and gods, even pro players.
The data corroborates mainman take as well
I think in blue ranks it's definitely much harder to rank up, to get a character to fujin is very easy but to get them to tekken king or emperor is much harder.
TTT2 was by far the hardest Tekken game to rank up in. Getting to red rank there was far more challenging than T8.
Exactly. Green ranks were actually common back then. Green and yellow. Vanquisher, Destroyer and Savior were Purple and Blue Ranks. Genbu, Byakko, Seiryu, Zuzaku were Tekken King, Emperor. Blue ranks were the God ranks and God ranks in Tag 2 were cheaters.
Definitely. Felt like a reward as you progressed as T8 feels like a hand out.
I was saying that in my head. Lowkey TTT2 was the hardest. I miss those dual combos. lmaooo
💯. I played rank in TTT 2 one time got my butt mopped and never played it again. I thought it was me
Win/Loss records is much more accurate than prowess
It's not accurate at all. Eventually you'll run into people your own rank / skill.
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If you play characters like panda and quit after close matches your win rate will sky rocket even if your skill level remains stagnant.
Agreed I miss that it used to display your record on certain match ups. It's like I had a target on my back when I played against a character I was 80% against and they out ranked me.
People are just abusing the game because how are people with 40 defense getting purple. They are spamming crazy strings and constant plus on block moves for easy wins because of how much guessing is involved
Emp/King is blue ,blue is purp, purp is red, red is orange, and so forth. Alot of ppl wouldnt make it past yellow or orange in t8 if rank went down and it was 4 ranks per color. Perfect example is i have a friend who was stuck at yellow in t7. In t8 he doesnt understand the game and plays the same way and is MR.
Some say blue is the new green. And I think they’re right for the most part. People not punishing, using flow chart patterns, relying on latency to help them win.
All I know is that I genuinely feared playing ranked in t7 because I couldn't maintain mighty ruler. Now in t8 I'd hit Kishin in just 3 months and everything feels natural. It doesn't feel right to believe that Ive just gotten that much better.
Its fine tbh, its just a different style of play, which you happen to be more suited too. doesn't mean you do not deserve you rank. keep going and improving!
yeah u didnt improve, ur trash and should feel bad. JK, but thats how you sound. grow a pair dude and get some self belief
Kishin is definitely the equivalent of 7s purple ranks. It would be yellow ranks in or early orange ranks in Tag 2. You didn't improve, they simply moved the ranks. Remember, green ranks basically don't exist. Same thing with my buddy, he is now Raijin but was stuck at purple ranks forever in 7. He didn't improve.
@@jinpachichulo7561 i disagree with this, they didn't improve at tekken 7 sure, but tekken 8 is a different game with different systems. they play differently. some people are BETTER at this game, while some people are WORSE. there is SOME inflation because of the absurdly broken characters that the game started with.
@@KobePlaysGacha You're gaslighting yourself and others, there's clearly a lack of skills and fundamentals, you don't need to have a crystal ball to know that the Tekken team wanted to make this game easier for casuals and weaker players, hence all the dumb strong moves getting buffed, super strong moves getting added, heck we have now heat smash in which is a rage drive that goes in stance and you're so plus that your opponent can only guess.
6arakin got tekken king wihtout backdashing or using electrics on a mishima. Ranks are definitely Inflated.
he's actually boosted, he just got lucky on his promotion match but he achieved blue ranks in the first place through boosting
You don't need electrics in this game, and back dashing was nerfed. those 2 things aren't as strong as they once were so why learn it
@@nazimachour5389 the fact that he can win any promotion at all in that rank just proves the point.
With special style to be more accurate
You know someone played on his account right
Thats not complete true cuz TMM also mentions always in his streams it also depends wich character you achieved a rank with and i completly agree on that one . Reaching Fujin with Victor or Yoshi is not the same like Reaching it with Steve or Lee for example
Tekken 8 is a 50/50 casino and everbody who understands this can grind till at least blue rank without any hardship. it just takes time
True. I just started playing Zafina. And I haven't even bothered to learn all her optimal stuff. All I do is spamming 5050s and plus frames. And I can probably do this all the way to Fujin. T8 is all about that 5050.
It's easier to get Fujin in this game than in T7, that's a fact. But after Bushin it gets really tough to rank up because of the point distribution. I'm currently Tekken Emperor and if you lose to Tekken Gods or TGS you get absolutely destroyed with the points you lose.
exactly I am a Paul Emperor. I got the emperor because I beat tekken king and below. It is very tough to get to tekken god.
Yeah, it's been tough in blue ranks, sometimes ill play a fujin who plays like his rank, then ill match against a battle ruler who plays like he's a bushin, and sometimes ill get back to back jin players, demoting me back to flame, it would take me 2 or 3 days to get back to kishin, rank is so inconsistent now, might as well play quick play if im not gonna get matched with people my skill level
Why is no one mentioning the fact that you don't have to korean back dash to be considered good at the game?
because korean backdash is weak compared to what it was, while normal backdashing has been improved.
@@buckbreaker5185 i dont agree with this in terms of KBD. i think making sidestepping weaker made it easier for people. KBD is only really good for whiff punishing and it can still be done.
Yeah you dont really need to kbd anymore although it is still slightly better than regular backdash, for the average player regular is infinitely better than kbd because of how difficult and non rewarding it is. I try my best to kbd but i get caught and punished between them a lot and get launched lol still working on my spacing and timing
T8 isnt really tekken
T8 isnt really tekken
Difficult to learn in ranked when you are matched with players who are smurfing and have 400.000 points but you find them in Bushin
5:27 all a player can do is look at the player's profile after a match ended to find out what rank they truly are with their highest rank character.
I know I'm at a higher rank in 8 than I was in 7. I don't know if it's due to inflation or if I've gotten better, but I think Tekken 8's more aggressive style is better for the way I play.
Oh absolutely! I played Tekken 7 for years between PC and PS4. Highest rank was Fujin with Lei. Now in 1 month of playing online in Tekken 8, I'm Bushin with Feng.
That's your answer - Feng. You would probably be Rayujin in T7 with Feng.
Not surprised the SK said Tekken king is the new Fujin. I used that as fuel to get better to dominate Elitist like him
3:54 I think none of us are aware nor well-versed to an integrated level of Tekken 8 counterparts of the returning characters at the moment. I was fairly confident that having experience Tag 2 Jun and Lars (& T7) or any aforementioned would give me a leverage yet FT2 is an anomaly factor that you need to know their T8 & Layer 2 stuff in order to stand a chance.
Hell. I can't get out of the Red Ranks , because they base match-ups on Tekken power/prowess (which is dumb). So I'm constantly matched up against someone much higher than me in Rank. Plus I don't have a "main" , I play with 18 different characters so I don't lose interest in the game. So yeah , my Tekken power/prowess is up , but the match-ups are not good for me (IMO). Maybe it will get better. Who knows? I'm just a weekend warrior in T8.
i got to red in t8 and barely scratched the yellow ranks in 7 lmao
i haven't played in about two months because of work but hopefully i can climb up now that i'm out for summer break
Keep going bro you'l hit purple soon. I was destroyer in t7 and now im battle ruler in t8. Ik i did get better because im focusing more on my skills and fundamentals but theres still rank inflation helping me along
Well with the way how the rank system works now, if your good, you'll get matched up with people with similar tekken proweses. So if your prowess is 140k +, doesn't matter what rank you face, you'll be facing people that have played tekken for a lot longer or just as long as you.
There are more factors at play in Tekken 8. If you play kazuya, Devil jin, Steve, or Bryan, You’re Not carried at all. Any other character in this game will carry you several ranks further than you should theoretically deserve. However, this ceases to be the case much past kishin/bushin Level. Ranks Even out at mid blue ranks in T8 to be the equivalent to their counter parts (Yaksa/Ryujin) in Tekken 7.
I don’t know if it’s inflated or not, but in terms of points at stake the game seems to like to punish you, both harder and more often, for losing than it rewards you for winning. This is not a problem if you consistently win, but it seems even if you win 55% of the time you go backwards most the time based on loss penalties.
I think both is true, but it depends on the rank. It's very easy to rank up to Warrior. And if people have some dedication it's relatively easier to reach Fujin compared to T7. But from there up to the highest ranks, it's getting really hard and this is where deflation starts. And the inflation is between Warrior and Fujin.
im a tekken king Lili player, i played her since 7. I got into shaheen at the beginning of last month. It took me around 4 hours to get him to Fujin. After that, i just hit Kishin with him yesterday. What you are rigth saying that from red to purple there is a lack of skill, but from fujin onwards, it gets SUPER tough to rank up. This game is super hard.
Also, i think that you achived a new rank in T8 just because you got better bro. Playing for so long pays off.
In Tekken 7 I had 1 character in gold ranks. In T8 I already have 4 in gold almost 5 now haha. Ranks are meaningless now
it's totally not meaningless tho, but the ranks are now wack since the red rank feels like the new green rank compared to t7. Rank still emphasizes that throughout every rank it gets harder, mighty and blue rank is still not a joke
Do you cherry pick fights or do you rematch everytime?
That makes you a pro. Good job 👍😊
We not talking about low ranks..We talking high ranks...We talking blue and up that's where the good players are at
@@tryingtochangemyways5074 gold ranks are tekken king and up.
Here's my opinion. The ranked difficulty is probably depends on the region. As an Asia 3 player, facing higher ranked NA players seemed way easier than Asian players. Most of my opponents in purple ranks are already fundamentally skilled though I only really play ranked once a week.
The problem is you have to compare season 1 Tekken 7 vs Tekken 8 season 1 Mainmanswe comparing season 4 of T7 to Season 1 of T8. Season 1 Tekken 7 I was Juggernaut with Claudio by season 4 with Claudio. I was Ryujin. Rank inflation is real because T8 is too random.
They did my boy dirty in from t7 to t8. Killed him off and took away so many moves(especially STBD22).
I think it's the tekken prowess matchmaking system. Some people are getting hit with either very easy fights or getting whaled on.
wheres my easy fights i only get wailed on lol
For me, there are ranks that are inflated, such as mighty ruler to fujin, a lot of people who barely know how to defend themselves and mashe like crazy, and leaving that aside, I can assure you that Tekken 8 does have people with inflated ranks because I I'm one of those, in Tekken 7 I was a vanquisher while here in just 35 hours of playing I reached battle ruler, so it's not like it's a BIG CHANGE in skill from Tekken 7 to Tekken 8
The more ranks a ranked system has the worse it is to say who is actually at the level they display, i struggle to climb on sf6 but it has less ranks but the level ofnthe rank helps a bit even tho some people are at platinum or diamond bc they abuse scrub stuff that most people think they're already away from that, sf5 was harder to climb bc it had more people who wanted to be good not people who wanted to show off
But one thing is for sure, a lot of people play lower ranks bc they want to climb fast in tekken there is no such thing on sf6 bc the ranked system only allows for people 1 grade higher or bellow your current rank with exception of casual matches
In tekken 7 I got to Ryujin as my highest rank before they added the Tekken God Omega rank and demoted players a few ranks back. I couldnt get past Fujin since then.
Fast forward to now In Tekken 8 I stayed at Kishin after being demoted back and forth between that and Raijin. Now im just playing player matches and staying off ranked for now.
A lot of factors fall into play. The most defensive players from T7 have a much harder time transitioning than the rushdown players from T7.
I feel like ranks all the way up til blue are a joke. i have seen so many players in purple ranks just not know how to punish and will spam the most launch punishable moves...but once u hit blue ranks it becomes EXTREMELY different.
remove prowess, remove the free ride to yellow, and reverse the point losses. losing more to someone higher than you and losing less to beginners? thats dumb af
well in tekken 7 violet ranks are full of really gud players but in T8 pretty green rank if you ask me
T7 violet players were probably strong players playing their subs but current T8 violet players are mistly legit violet.
To your point about beating GoD's I would say its just knowledge check stuff and flashbang where if they dont know what to do theyre done. then they go pummel the other half of the cast. i for one need to figure out how to cancel shackle after Devil Jin heat smash, as i literally cant use it against yoshimitsu as i get launched on block, since flash counters all mourning crow options (even if i hold back while not pressing)
In ranks in this game you can play a tekken king and get 3-0. Then the next person you play online can be a tekken king and you 3-0 them. Interesting
Blue ranks are the new red ranks, rulers are orange.
I think it's easier to get mid ranks and harder to get top ranks. T7 was more even in this regard.
I have mixed feelings I think the rank would be more balanced if you fought the people in the rank that you are at. The power makes it more convoluted because as long as you reach a high power you will always fight high level people regardless.
U forgetting that the Eddy bot isnt like some repeat of a tekken 7 feature but that the devs literally made 3333333 spam do more than what it does in T7 .. so its complete nonsense to compare where the bots ended up at in each game
I think there is a confusing between high skill, and randomness i noticed when there are two strong players the game become more rock paper scissor like.. in Tekken 7 and prior if a player is slightly better then you there is a huge chance he win consistently making the game more arbitrary doesn't make it more skillful it just makes it more random
I reached tgo in t7 and the highest I've ever reached in t8 is emperor..the games mechanics give characters significant advantages they didn't have in t7. So even if you were a fujin in t7 you can reach tekken king in t8
Yea… but do u see how many tools tekken 8 has to offer now? Maybe there some inflation for lower ranked ppl but I also think a lot of just got better .
BUT WHY?
Here’s why: there’s replays now, there’s better tutorials , the characters are generally easier to use, the heat system also helped
And overall, we have all gotten better learned more since T8.
Even me, my ranks higher b than it was in T7, but I’m also better then I used to be
I noticed something interesting in T8 rank, im at Tekken Supreme and I play people on my rank or GoD and I notice huge skill difference at these ranks, in T7 every Tekken God player was craaaacked! no one could say hes a True Tekken God but plays like a fujin.
In T7, my highest ranks was divine ruler. In T8 my highest rank is mighty ruler. Seems about the same to me. But then again, I'm not competing for the very top spots.
I'm a garyu....new to tekken and I play casually. Ranks dont seem to matter much. I've beaten as high as raijin and beaten by beginner. Lol. The matchmaking, smurfing, coupled with the fact most casuals are gone now....makes it make sense how everyone feels about it one way or the other. Fun game all the same imo.
These pros have become extreme haters of Rank in Tekken 8! I'm only a Raijin King but I earned everything and got demoted twice
people are not taking into consideration how much easier it is to improve now compared to 7. Training mode is better, replay takeover, tons of educational content out for the game due to so many new blood entering the scene. Also people remember tekken 7 as harder because it was their first tekken. Tekken 8 is for alot of people their second tekken and unsurprisingly you have an edge on people who t8 is genuinely their first tekken. Theres definitely some inflation in reds/purple but past blue it gets real tough.
I would say you are wrong because of the new Tekken Prowess matchmaking and points system. This system does not work when the pool of people are smaller and you cannot see anything about the other player. Also the point system is lacking when you can be matched with +2 or higher rank difference multiple times and lose the same amount of points as a match with the same rank. Also the point gain for a win against a +2 rank is so small it’s not worth the extra effort. 400pts for a same rank win and 480pts for a win over a +2 rank is BS.
8 times out of 10 it always comes down to knowledge checks. I'm Tekken Emperor but I remember struggling against Kuma Mighty Ruler because I didn't know the match-up. It was my fault for not taking time to lab the character lol.. I refuse to believe anyone can get into blue ranks without having good fundamentals. main man is right. Also, most casuals have likely put down the game. It's just sweats now lmao
My opinion, It's not really a big problem if you play one character? But if you play More than one character, there it is just because of the whole prowess, match up in the previous game you weren't matched up against people so much higher level than you.
IMO, after red it feels similar. Maybe there are a bit more boosted characters (eg Alisa, Viktor), but I'm playing similar players in the same ranks as I used to in T7
If you're playing Yoshi, zaf, drag, Lars, King, vic. You're being carried.
I feel like region also plays a small part, like I feel like europe has many more talented players than like the U.S for example which may be y mainman feels this way (jus my observation ofc)
Its definitely inflated but people are comparing END LIFE of t7 to ARCADE BONANZA beginning of t8, we havent had the multiple rank resets yet where the true high level players prevail and rise back up the ranks. So this rank inflation is only temporarily correct. I think main man has a point that its both true and false, with the entiry new system, tekken emporer and above requires a new level of adaptation and skill, but it is definitely easy to get to that point especially depending on what characters youre using
I don't know, these rank comparisons are funny. I mean half the t7 gods were boosters. Season 1 t7 genbu was like current blue ranks. It's all relative to the current state of the game, and we can only speak generally since you can boost in both games.
I think the main reason you (and everybody else) is beating higher ranked players is because of the fact that they made attacking SOO much easier than defending. so if you get your offence started their rank doesnt really matter. they have to guess the same way a ruler rank has to. That wasnt the case in t7. So other way of saying that is they made the game easier for weaker players.
I went through hell and high water to finally get to Mighty Ruler man, don't take this from me haha
I haven’t played much rank but I do play a lot offline and its all scrubs at red. I normally have to play people who are 150k higher than me and they don’t know frames at all
I just made it too fujin with yoshi, and I think I very much improved.
I got to Enjoyer Of Destruction on my 2nd ID with Shaheen even though I've played him partially due to semblance between Him & Negan to play Negan better yet I don't think I'm worthy of that rank yet because FT2 also contributed to that easy attainment. Only Leroy is what I'd struggled the most to rank with but since the buffs its a familiar scenario.
you are wrong when you say in tekken 8 you cannot press select to see their real rank , on tekken 7 Steam you couldnt see their real rank either , only on console , and in tekekn 8 you can tell people rank by looking at their prowess , if som1 is mighty ruler and have like 230 000 pts , it means that they are Bushin - Tekken King , and palying with a secondary char , yo ualso can see their real rank after the match by pressing on their profil
I was I tekken god prime in T7 now I cant get past Bushin with Leroy even after the buffs
Just bought Tekken and this game hard brooo...
Have to say that i like TMMs take, not because i think its true, but people getting a certain rank gives them a personal win, and then going on yt just to see a person you like watching shit on your rank feels really bad, so why not hype people up and tell them they are doing good, nothing wrong with that.
tekken 8 is a party game, not a competitive game and ranks are indeed inflated.
We have statistic data that shows that isn't the case.
@@marcusjones9084 no we dont lmao. that data is trash because they base it on replays, thats heavily flawed. hit tekken king with 36 defense score in first month spamming shit with feng then didnt play a single game, my data isnt calculated.
Beat a Tekken King earlier today with my Battle Ruler Steve, i don’t touch rank though.
Moon you beat GoD ranks because you are the goat
Yes, I hate the whole new prowess. System not gonna lie.It's helped me tremendously in the game but it's made it very stressful when it comes to ranking up
Players aren’t fr playing better than 7. If you’re in high level on 8 u face the same cheap characters. The game is fun but it’s not balanced, this game Carry’s if u play certain characters.
inflated for sure, can you even derank in low ranks? the level of play is massively decreased overall, as far as i'm concerned ranked means nothing
I've seen max ranked that cant tech throws or do a single combo
Im stuck in blue ranks in both games
Me who took 3 months to reach red ranks with Kazuya
That is a whole different animal tho 🤣
When is the defensive patch comming
Season 2
I was hard stuxk in green ranks in tekken 7 because i just wasnt good enough
Somehow i'm garyu in tekken 8
Because up to Warrior it's T7 pre-dan ranks that have no penalty for losing. So it's an apples to oranges comparison.
Can’t believe I’m completely agreeing with tmm.
I will add, T8 is not T7, lots of t8 characters carry hard.
Reaching fujin was easy, lightwork!
You are carried by yoshi..Get off of yoshi and you will see..Its hard to approach yoshi because of flash being so broken..You try to be aggressive but you cant because here comes flash..So you are constantly trying to bait meanwhile yoshi gets to do whatever..
I think he’s a good player, but Flash is crazy. Just trying to bait it out, by giving up your turn on an aggressive game is crazy.
So glad someone said it bro those swords alone track both sides for free combos I was getting hit next to the wall and he was facing the opposite way still doing his 222 string and it’s still clipped me because he’s just waving swords around brainlessly
its like fighting a charcter with a wake up dp
He doesn't even punishes anything dude@@President_Shin
also a lot of people seem to leave out, at the end of the lifespan of tekken 7, ranked was UNBEARABLE to play. newer players couldn't rank up without running into smurfs at lower ranks, which in turn makes it harder to learn when your not getting paired with people at your level. while in this game, since its new, people get paired with people of their skill level and can progress more naturally.
I believe these pro players are getting mad that us ppl they think are trash are evolving and just getting better all the way around lol these old pro players don’t wanna hang up there controllers or arcade sticks 😂😂😂😂
Finally you make a video I can 100 percent agree with. Salute
I think a lot of these people who are seeing these issues are people who don't play just one character because it's not really a big difference unless you're playing a lot of People I've gotten so many arguments with people about that and i've actually made multiple profiles just to kind of test the theory It was a lot easier getting too tekken king With My one character profile Because I play a lot of characters just to GET UP and Blue.I've been playing tekken kings and higher on almost every match I think majority of the people don't play more than one character unless you're like a very high level player and I think that's The audience that are having these types of issues because I can definitely see it
The games are different. So maybe for you the game is better suited to your style and also the characters are a bit different
I have about the same rank from t7 with is yaksa\kishin
I'm just stuck
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Definitely inflated. There are different reasons as to why. 1, Like you already said, you basically skip two or 3 colors for free.
2, knowledge checks. With the game being so new some characters carry some players who don't deserve the ranks but got up there with bs but will quickly get demoted once the gimmick is figured out and no more knowledge check or once the player goes back to that character. Some people get their highest rank with a bs character like Azuzena then drop her to protect their rank. They did it with Eddy. They'll do it with Lidia. Faced so many blue ranks with high Tekken Power (TP) and when i checked their profile their main was Tekken King with Eddy. Zero level of skill. Expect another rank boost with Lidia.
Also, ranks completely changed after 2 patches ago when they started matching based on TP. I got hit hard. Got demoted all the way down to Flame Scrub. They had me facing players whos main was GoD. And it wasnt even accurate bc a lot of them had a 300K+ TP. Not very many but i got a few 400k. I had to work just to get to Raijin.
Then after the latest patch i get Tekken King with my 2nd character, easily. Why? Bc now im facing people with my own TP. 200k - 260. Where did all the players with the 280+ TP go? Oh yeah, ran into em again at Emperor. While i did get one or two ranks better, i didn't improve that much these last few weeks that i have only been playing on Saturdays. Thats why i called you out a few vids back when you bragged about "not being afraid of losing my Tekken King, look, i got on and got Emperor". Yeah, its a lot easier to rank up again for whatever reason.
Point is, blue ranks are pretty scrubby now. No, you didn't improve guys. They're manipulating the ranking system. Unless you're GoD you're a scrub. And something tells me that even a few GoDs are scrubs too. Having said that, OBVIOUSLY if you're a blue rank, you're better than a purple rank if you're using the same character. What im saying is, if you're a blue rank in 8 but were purple or red in 7, no you didn't get that much better. If you're blue rank now but was purple on the last patch, no, you didn't get better. Just like lm not better bc i got my 2nd character to Tekken King when i was Raijin a month ago.
Heavily inflated 😂
This debate is dumb cause everybody is not the same, it's not like tekken 8 has the same mechanics or combat system as tekken 7. Adapt or keep crying, there is only 2 option. Or you can always go back to tekken 7. In every game sequel need a new mechanic or that game become boring. FGC is full of cry babies ngl, I like tk7 more too cause of defensive playstyle but ain't no way I am gonna bash developers for trying something new. Or complain every time when something doesn't go their way.
not really sure if this is connected to the rank flation vid but just something i noticed, never really bought the game yet but the players are getting better just out of nowhere, i pirated the game and played it, somehow it feels like everyone is carried by the characters due to the game being uber boosted and i have heard people saying its easy to rank up as well as knee yapping on the game lol noticing all this is hesitating me from buying unless they release marduk or ak
TMM SWE compares tekken 8 to tekken 7. The real comparison is tekken 8 vs ttt2. Back in the ttt2 days, TMM SWE had a video series called "road to fujin". he failed. he never reached fujin. In this game he's god of destruction.
tekken tag 2 came out in 2011. thats 13 years ago lmfao. ofc he will have a better rank.
The best MM TTT2 vid was one called Road to brain tumour, something like that. he lost almost all his matches in rank because of lag and was pissed throughout the entire vid. It one of his best video's imo, he removed it from his YT but i Downloaded and have it saved
@@AC-LING666 LOL if you upload that I would be eternally grateful
@@KobePlaysGacha yeah he may have gotten better at Tekken during that time, but not enough to go from the red ranks to the highest rank in the game without rank inflation. If you're denying rank inflation at this point you're delusional.
@@ice_champ lmao
I disagree hard. Blue ranks are weak as hell
We have raw data that suggests the rank inflation isn't happening.
100% inflated. I couldn't get past Warrior rank in T7. Every time I came across a Fujin rank in T7, they were God like . I am a Bushin ranked in T8 and I am still scrubby as hell.
Im sorry but TMM is cappin so damn hard (Maybe for clicks/views? Idk). Why do I say this? Because OBJECTIVELY the system is harder to demote out of. What I mean is that in previous Tekken games, when you get demoted, you are not INSTANTLY on promotion. That is a huge factor in this.
Im currently Tekken Emperor Reina (seldom play ranked bc its more fun to play sets with friends both online and off) and Fujin/Raijin players legit player like Ruler ranks in T7. Hell, Orange ranks in Tag2.
Lastly, and I meant to say this earlier, when you gain said new rank even if you were demoted from it, you STILL get that rank buffer into it. Why is that? So when you combine getting demoted and next match being a promo COMBINED with that same win always going to put you like 30-40% into the next rank.....yeah. Can't argue facts.
Maybe you just got better
T8 Yoshi >>> T7 Yoshi
Inflated
You are what your rank says you are