How Simracing will ESCAPE from the Cheating Scandals!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Simracing is under a lot of pressure right now - two big cheating scandals in less than a week must be a new all-time low for the scene. But is there any hope for us? When it comes to Jonas the answer is yes. Tune in to find out what has to change in Simracing to escape from the cheating scandals.
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Kudos to the organisers of the Logitech G Challenge (SGP) who banned the cheating driver after an investigation. One of the ways cheating can be minimised is by organisers stamping down on it hard when someone is found out.
Is this the same driver in ACC that D. McCormack brought to our attention just recently?
This. They have to make the same approach to dopping, making it clear that if you cheat, your career is over.
I have to say 2 things.
1- There are some streamers that do seem to be racing on rails, which is really odd to me. No TC activation, no sliding, just traction all over.
2- The worst thing on sim racing at the moment is actually the sim racers.
Perfect
The fact that GT7 has been doing a relatively good job at keeping their player base somewhat happy at the start of this year in comparison is definitely saying something
It’s a lot of cheating in gt7
Mmmm....as a software dev I'm not sure I can agree with your theory that new software is somehow more secure. Does it involve newer ways of thinking? Sure. But sometimes those newer ways of thinking are full of security holes. Keep in mind, new games also come with new bugs that create new kinds of exploits that current developers may be entirely unaware of. The general truth with software is that as it gets older (assuming it is well maintained
I think it's more an issue with the games we have specifically. Kunos has never really been good at multiplayer, rF2 is a fundamentally flawed mess, and the F1 games are yearly cash grabs. A new game isn't necessarily more secure, you're right, but I think it'd be more secure than what we have now.
When you have "works drivers" cheating with impunity it's dead on arrival.
I would love to go back to ACC from Iracing.. but the lack of adequate session hosting and matchmaking turned me off fast. Love the tracks, Love the cars.. but in open lobby there was not enough variety. Push that idea foward to LFM... great idea.. but felt like an elitist club at times. So for now I will stay in IRACING. I would like to see ACC mimic the structure of LFM and Iracing, or... I'd love to see IRACING enhance their graphics and audio. Anti cheat software seems easy enough to implement. But there are times where live stewarding is critical, as well as clear rules and consequences.
Yeah, after Sim Grid went away, the game is pretty much useless except for horrible public lobbies. LFM is way too elitest.
What do you mean with elitist? I personally think LFM is really well handled and I really like the chat system.
@@mopey2280 more so meaning the minimum qualification threshold. Like for example.. Iracing there is racing for anyone.. and a large variety. in LFM they have a bar to even join.
@@rickswanracing3139 and to get clean races you need to be a relatively high ELO driver. In iRacing if you get everyone 1k iRating but A, B, C licences it's gonna be slow but clean most of times. LFM guys say that it's because of the nature of racing you get stupid accidents from time to time and all that mess. But I believe it's because of the lack of race craft which LFM doesn't really incentives to improve.
@@danbaranov I think the third comment is the most important part of the discussion. I've seen plenty of drivers be fast alone on a track, but the minute put them in traffic they cant manage it. I believe you are correct, t comes down to raceraft. Thats why in a way having a benchmark for nothing more than speed for group entry, may not be effective or accurate. As well IM not so sure about how "clean" LFM really is, I cant get in. I have 1600 irating and 4.99 safety, but at least on the track i was being tested on, I couldnt pass the arbitrary measure. he response I heard alot was "practice more". But then on the flipside I see content creators and influencers complaining about how even in LFM, and higher split iracing... people still act stupid. SO how is then how valuable is it to have that measurement for entry? This is where I feel Iracing nails it: there is a place for everyone to race regardless of skill, but they are effective at matchmaking across the board. This is something that it sounds like LFM and or ACC could benefit from. I bought ACC last summer and played it for about a month. At the end of the month after only seeing abot 3 tracks being recycled in the queues, and a pretty poor level of racecraft in the open servers, and almost exclusively GT3 content, I migrated back to Iracing.
You forgot to mention people are cheating so much now because the rewards are soo high. You have esport money and streaming recognition.
Look at what happened to tarkov . And look at the extremes people go to in order to cheat in other games even to the point of using a separate computer run aim bots and etc. What I've learned is with any anti cheat they will find a way .
AC2 and RennSport do nothing about the cheating possibility which exist today. So I don't agree with "How Simracing will ESCAPE from the Cheating Scandals!"
❤ Rwaggy simp here. Great guy. 😁👍
I knew about these recent things, but I had no idea you could cheat in sims apart from exploiting things in the games. I did expect F1 games to be plagued with cheats, but full sims didn't think. This is why Esports is garbage.
Esports is great cheating is not. apparently we need LAN Events under controlled circumstances since the games dont even have Anti Cheat
Competition makes people/teams look for any edge for a competitive edge, sim racing is just emulating real life. Cheating in IRL motorsport is rife, not to mention doping in cycling etc. It will always happen, all you can do is try and stop it with anti cheat and make the punishments suitable to put people off or allow whistle blowing.
iRacing always gets a lot of flack for it's costs and age, but I'd argue the cheating on iRacing is exploits and breaking rules in the code of conduct, not so much hacks and rouge software to add more grip. This, IMO, makes iRacing the platform least likely to have cheats in it.
Good vid though Joe and OverTake team.
3:00 it is my investigation m8, thanks for letting people know and spreading the info
You claim ACC setups are broken, without specifying anything. What is broken about them?
One solution would be to switch to a console ecosystem (Xbox, PlayStation) that is completely closed like Gran Turismo E-sports uses. In the past, sims on consoles weren't the best experience, but now, Series X and PS5 can easily handle current day sim calculations while running at over 60fps. I know elitist will scoff at this idea, but there is a reason console players hate cross play with PC users: Rampant cheating. Of course, people would find ways to try and cheat on consoles (modded controls), but it still takes away a big part of cheating on PC, and that's third party hacks that plague most competitive PC games. Just a suggestion...
even if its just a suggestion its a really bad suggestion, possibly of someone never had a decent pc. consoles not only "werent the best experience" they still far of beeing the best expierience. do consoles support ultrawidescreens 5120x1440 at 120 fps? or tripple screen setups? do consoles support any sim racing hardware like vrs, simucube, heusinkveld, motion rig etc.?
what you get on console sim racing is even a small portion of the "entrylevel" sim racing stuff that is available on pc. and i know console players dont like to hear that, but a console is just a shittier version of a pc. and its also far of beeing a closed ecosystem. but yes console players hate cross play, cause it grant an excuse beeing bad. not saying that they dont have to face cheaters, but trust me in generall 9 out 10 time someone calls someone a cheater in your voice cheat he probably just got his ass kicked.
even thinking console sim racing experience can compete with pc sim racing experience is brutally naive
@@KDiiX You're the kind of elitist that gives Sim Racing and PC users a bad name. So many arrogant assumptions that are just plain wrong... But that doesn't matter because all you care about is feeling superior. Do you think anybody is going to take anything you wrote seriously with that attitude (I know, you're just "stating facts!")?
For the record, I've owned plenty of high end PCs and sim racing equipment as well as consoles. I can see the merit of switching to a closed ecosystem to help combat cheating. If consoles are good enough for a lot of E-Sports, then they can be good enough for sim racing IF they work with the right organizations like some already do. But again, none of this matters because you thought this was a slam dunk to vomit your elitist crap all over. Wrong. You're not that special, kid.
@@PLAYER_42069 This.
Automobilista 2 was released in 2020, so it's more recent the ACC
Not really relevant for online racing.
@@steelin666 sure that is a valid point, but what other sim racing game besides ACC and iracing is? rf2 with 500 players? ac with its 17k players that only play japan track? I was just pointing out that no, ACC is not the most recent sim racing game we have, but it is bad that its the only one we have that is modern and has good online
New games doesn't mean that they won't be plagued with cheats. ACC 1.9 isn't expected to bring/there isn't any promise of anticheats of some sorts. So, where is the solution?
basically there isnt any promise at all beside "its the biggest acc ever had" and that they implement a couple of new cars. nothing else is said or confirmed at all, as far as i know its just made up speculations and hopes of the community. if its really coming soon tbh why the fuck they dont give a roadmap at least for the next couple of month or even for the next update? for me it seems to be real clear that they let the door open to back out of stuff they cant finish in time, which actually sadly means to me that the "big changes" wont work mostly right now. in the end i guess we get those announced cars, reworked setup presets, "fixed" bop(which most likely doesnt fix anything just change something, i mean the latest bop changes didnt worked out quite good), making setups more realistic( even if some may think this is a big thing, but actually that doesnt change anything at all its not even in the category "nice to have" because in the end its totally meaningless if you have the same driving experience but then you dont set it to max toe but a more realistic value. would we have any benefit of that? no, just some people would be smiling because its better for the "immersion". and still i am sure kunos will promote that change big time, while in the end its the least problematic thing about acc)
i hope i am on that forecast completely wrong, but tbh kunos did nothing in the past year that makes me to optimistic.
To say that a reason for cheating is mimimi the games are to Old.
Totally wrong. Csgo is much older and the ESL is able to work against cheating in the competitive Szene.
So it is work of the developers to change something
Right now we are mainly seeing the cheats being used by the ESports teams. The developers had better find a way to eliminate it from being used by the masses in their sims or punish the cheaters so heavily that it will make cheating super unattractive.
you basically see esports driver getting exposed. which doesnt mean cheats dont exist for "casual" drivers. you could drive on a daily bases with shitty drivers cheating for 5% extra grip, which helps them driving but still makes them no super star driver why its not that obvious.
@@KDiiX Oh, For sure. I didn't mean to imply that the casual drivers weren't cheating, It's just that you don't see it because there is no media coverage for the Tuesday night, D Class Fixed Ferrari race at Spa (for example), or any other race that isn't being broadcast on TV or a TH-cam channel. But you can bet there are more people using cheats than we will ever know.
I believe most of them are using the steering smoothing. Especially in F1 games
"In our sport as well" felt just right as it can be sooo exhausting, gr8 video mate🙏🏻
great video, addressing the issue seriously. Broadbent's video or random callsign's one are just opinions.
The ACC 'smooth inputs', could be a driver running without ffb(?)
there is only one way force them to play via sandbox mode
good luck
Video starts at 01:00
Will these fixes help console players too? Because it seems completely dead on xbox and I hate it
We're going to end up with TFA and HMAC just to race online. Unfortunately, to be serious in any competition integrity is the first thing you have to rid yourself of. Nice guys finish last.
I mean we just need, like... a good game. One with actual things to do, netcode that actually works, and the ability to have fun. Is that really too much to ask?
AC2 could be GT7 for PC. I hope it's VR implementation is better than in ACC though
@@Armitage574 I really hope AC2 is good. I'm just worried that Kunos will end up having weird hangups that hold the game back. The ACC career mode was a complete afterthought and there's basically nothing to do. Have they finally decided to change after doing that twice? Hopefully...
@@bduddy55555 yeah they should take a good look at mods in AC and popular things in gt7. sometimes all you want to do is drive through a town in multiplayer and show off.
at least with iRacing it's different, there's no hacking involved, like no third-party program used to alter the physics,
The solution is straightforward, they just need live stewarding and make the rules clearer.
iRacing iRacing has had grip hacks in the past. iRacing does of course have active cheat detection and regular patches which helps.
@@Daz555Daz Yeah I've seen videos about that few years back, but since then it has been quit, although it wouldn't surprise me if cheating is still there, but at least it's an extremely rare occurrence, so it doesn't impact the racing much.
You have completely lost you mind if you think there are not cheaters on iRacing.
Here because I'm a Rwaggy Simp
Money is at the root of all cheating.
It's not perfect, but iRacing has had client-side anti-cheat (as well as obvious server side stuff) since I started driving it. At the very least games like ACC need to look at some client-side anti-cheat. Again, it's not perfect, but it covers a lot of the low hanging fruit situations. Obviously iRacing has competition "cheating" issues, like the apron stuff at Daytona this year, but straight data manipulation cheating like "grip hacks" are much less common in iRacing and require a lot more work by the cheat makers to both make the original cheat and keep it updated to continue working.
Anti-cheat aside, we need to look at every day online racing and eSports through a very different lens here. High tier eSports races should be done on LAN, with organizer controlled PC hardware. It's one thing to occasionally run in to a cheater in my regular every day racing. It's annoying, and measures like anti-cheat should be in place to help, but at worst I've lost some time and some rating...not 5 or 6 figures in money and sponsorship. Very different if high tier eSports is being ruined by cheating, where peoples careers and livelihoods are directly influenced by the outcome.
Not true. There were hacks in iRacing during ALPHA TESTING. I know, I alpha tested it.
Wait a minute .. you call out the Williams guy for the software on his pc which is confirmed by opmeer that they’re both testing the software, because judging by the Williams driver he wasn’t doing a good job cheating if he was using the software, but you failed to call out Thomas ronhaaer?.. you know the guy who is actually being accused of cheating by other f1 esports drivers ? … that’s actually some bullshit on your part
How weird is that EA or codemaster didnt say anything? If they really were testing cheats for them why they didnt save this guy and tweeted about it? Seems pretty damn fishy.
No. Cheating still an issue
ROFL LMAO
All what you dreaming about already exist in iRacing.
Lol, they will not.
IRACING IS BETTER
first
So fast, one could think you were cheating. 😜
There is no escape, ever. Tarkov, Fortnite, every PvP game online has cheaters and sim racing is no different. I've been racing since dial up and Grand Prix Legends. There have always been cheaters. And, the new influx of sim racers is a win at any cost, send it, dived bomb no respect mentality and you really think they are all just and true? LMFAO. I bet all Ive ever made that some of your favorite sim racing streamers are hacking. There is SO MUCH MONEY involved, to think otherwise is foolish at best. Paying any money to online event winners should NEVER happen.