It’s great to see Full-Race’s success. I remember seeing the owner start this during the early 2000s on Honda-Tech, while he was still a college student. Truly an inspiration. I wish you continued success. 👍
Congratulations to Full Race, they truly seem be very interested in shipping very good quality products and by that I mean I'm impressed. Awesome stuff!
Jeff is the man, so cool to see the inside of his business as often tuner balk at the cost of go-fast goodies but a very level of expertise, experimentation, development and skill all come together at Full-Race which is not free.
Wow! What a great business, they seem to care about customers, quality and innovation! Looks like top notch stuff going on there!! The owner definitely has passion for what he does!
I've been wanting to get an upgraded turbo kit for my mazdaspeed 3. I thought full race was on the expensive side but now after seeing this, I'm going with the full-race kit. I'll take quality over price anyday
I have a Full Race Kit on my K20 Civic. Ive had no issues and makes great numbers. I would recommend anything Full Race to anyone. You get what you pay for.
I'm an old school fox Mustang guy... but damn I love that Evo 9. I have a buddy who has a very nice black Evo 8. That car is awesome. The 8 and the 9 are just amazing. I really don't care for the 10. I worked with a guy who was all about the 10, we would fight about which one is better all the time =) This is a great video my man. Full-Race is no joke. Very nice facility! Thank you for posting this one. You did a really great job.
Love it. Thanks for the kick ass content SA, and thanks for the tour of Full-Race. Can't wait to see the V6 ecoboost swap in the future. Totally bad ass.
LOL the owner gives me that borderline savant vibe. Like his brain is only wired to build dope parts. That is so sick! I have always been sold on Full Race but seeing the owner's knowledge and passion just reinforces that thought even more.
I did gov construction and some of the pipes welded we used guys that welded in nuclear and the pharmaceutical field. They used “orbital” machines and they yielded the same type of welds but no electrode. It was so wild so to see these guys do a similar technique for race applications is amazing! You definitely get what you pay for and now that I know how these guys do it their products are a bargain no matter what. That technique is just that good! The quality cannot be compared to anything else in the world of welding. Our guys made me a little orbital welded keychain and I have to this day. Those welds are sexy.
After seeing the quality control there's no doubt I will use Full Race to get my FA20 to where my FR-S needs it to be. I'd be happy with 320 hp at the wheels. I got the car for the turns. If I want a fast lap time I'll get on my bike. I want to put a turbo on that too.
yeah this guy is SUPER knowledgeable. They've got crazy precision and quality products. They probably produce the highest quality manifolds there is. I wonder if they do titanium? If not they should. Not gonna have many titanium projects but they would be the leaders of the industry.
I want to upgrade to a big turbo for my Mazdaspeed 6, but I'm not sure. I thought my stock turbo was maxed out, but it turns out my stock BPV is leaking and I'm waiting for my aftermarket one to arrive. BTW, this is the 3rd video I've seen you! :D
SI0AX Haha, what can I say? Mazdaspeed 4 LYFE! Here's the low-down about the stock turbo (Borg Warner's K04): it only flows 35 lbs/min. This means on a Speed 3 that's fully bolted in a region with good-quality fuel, you can hit in the 290-300whp and 325-330wtq range on 93 octane. On a Mazdaspeed 6, you'll have lower numbers than this due to AWD drivetrain losses. I speak from personal experience, having tuned Gen 1 and Gen 2 Speed 3s, and Mazdaspeed 6s. If ethanol is in your area, you can run an E25-E30 blend and up those numbers to ~330/380 on a Speed 3. It all depends on your goals. I went with a BNR S3, which flows ~43 lbs/min, yet still spools really quick. On my ethanol blend tune, I put down ~385/380 in good weather. In the dead heat of summer, I'm down to about 365/355, but that's higher than it would be otherwise because I spray water-methanol too to keep my charge temps a lot cooler.
SI0AX Yeah, far too many of their fakes. I personally run the Synapse Diverter valve. It's pricey, but it's the fastest reacting valve on the market. A lot of folks like the Corksport one and the GoFast Bits one that has custom-adjustable VTA. Technically we lost metered air if we VTA, and that causes issues with richness, popping, etc. But if you set it to just VTA like 25-30%, you can usually have the cool VTA sound with little to no drivability issues. If properly setup, a BNR S4 will generally hit 20 psi by 3,700 or so. I hit it by 3,250, and that's with a tune set to keep boost low in the bottom of the powerband to keep my stock block happy. And if you have a stock block, I think the S3 is the better choice, personally. If you ever want to build, you may want to get the S4. You should easily hit 450whp with it with proper supporting mods. I'm at ~385/380 @ the wheels on my S3.
Ah, I talked to the seller and he was flat out honest but said the fakes perform well. He said I could return it after testing it and not being satisfied. HKS specifically made the 4 because the 3 was copied so much lol. I'll check out the synapse. I plan on keeping the stock intercooler because of meth.
SI0AX The stock intercooler will be a major bottleneck if you upgrade your turbo. If you have your heart set on a top-mount, look into the CP-e on or the ETS one. You'll definitely need to upgrade with a bigger turbo. Stock TMIC flows like crap.
Good video and fullrace make very cool products, although the factory could do with some 5S. haha One thing I noticed was the end tanks on the coolers did not look very aerodynamic, yet point was made of the CFD work on the turbo manifold. Wouldn't the charge system also benefit from a smoother path?
I actually have some sr20det questions. I am wanting to do about 6-750rwhp. What internals (brand and size/coatings) would you suggest along with valvetrain?
+TheAuzzieSniper most professional fabrication shops have welding bays with hood extraction and you can get masks. Yes the fumes.are toxic but iys all risk management. Im a fabricator by trade and love getting to weld stuff like this up
FR designs are in a weird place where they're not quite full race spec (Inconel etc), nor optimised for street use (runners too large and long). Great build quality for the price though.
really wished they did d16 honda motors just due their turbo superior spool characteristics. planning on making a world record circuit d16 ej1 with their turbo but they only have k and b. lightweight as possible from top to bottom just like type r integra FWD hitting record proves dont need 800hp and everyone always doing weight reduction anyways but to start lightweight power plant i'm sure to prove people wrong
3.5L twin turbo ecoboost motor into the ecoboost mustang. so much yes. IMO the base engine that the mustang should have had, then if you want more step up to the supercharged v8.
As good as that engine is, its still an old iron block design at heart, that makes it much much heavier than even the 5L v8, its also comparatively a very long and tall engine. For cheap and easy power its a great engine (fantastic even, so much potential with so little work), for emissions, weight and handling its not the right choice though, for that the all alloy 3.5L V6 is a better fit.
Your engine will have to "fill" bigger amount of air if your manifold is too big, so it has to fill big headers volume and then it will spool turbo, that creates turbolag. Same with big ass intercoolers, for example, lot of guys which dont know basic rules has Subaru Impreza with stock TMIC which is designed for stock turbo, they buy big front mount intercooler with very long IC pipes, it takes so much time for stock turbo to fill that big volume till it gets to throttle body, so if you are running stock turbo you dont necessary need bigger IC and bigger sized headers. I recommend to use software for those applications, for example lotus simulation or pipemax, or new 4T header wizard.
Thats the drawback to shooting in a dark area on a manual focus camera. Its really hard to keep focus due to the short depth of field. Ill try harder next time!
Well jeff... obviously you havent been around long enough in welding world... when you said no hand welding can have the same quality as your robotic welder... lets put those comment to practice.... you might want to use the terminology PURGING... for the full peno finish...
+Harold Karrington With that logic, a car can travel over 100mph, can you? A space shuttle can launch into space - can you? A calculator can figure out any mathematical formula in under 0.0001 seconds. Can you?
+Harold Karrington Ofcourse. Typical youtube comments fashion, everybody thinks they know what the person on the other side of the keyboard does not have experience in.
It's not that bad...but I get what you're saying...we do 5s at my plant...and after the initialization it's much easier to do quality,safe work in a space everyone is proud to work in...👍
It’s great to see Full-Race’s success. I remember seeing the owner start this during the early 2000s on Honda-Tech, while he was still a college student.
Truly an inspiration. I wish you continued success. 👍
Nothing like watching Speed Academy at 5am. A great insight to Full Race.
Response response response!!!! love the emphasis on response not just peak dyno queen numbers (with spooling time in days xD)
real benchmarking
Congratulations to Full Race, they truly seem be very interested in shipping very good quality products and by that I mean I'm impressed. Awesome stuff!
Jeff is the man, so cool to see the inside of his business as often tuner balk at the cost of go-fast goodies but a very level of expertise, experimentation, development and skill all come together at Full-Race which is not free.
these factory tours get my juices flowing
Full race has been doing it big for awhile. Expensive but worth it. Thanks for the tour.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I absolutely love the Full Race Big Runner Evo manifold. That manifold and the EFR 9180 are like the perfect exhaust & turbo match up
Wow! What a great business, they seem to care about customers, quality and innovation! Looks like top notch stuff going on there!! The owner definitely has passion for what he does!
This is the best car channel on the tube.
Thanks so much!!
12:00 What are thoseeeee!
+Hakasauars crocs lol
Jorge Gameiro Steel toes hahaha
Very cool. I love when you guys do shop tours.
Full-Race R14 was one of my favorite features in modified magazine.
One of our favorites too!
Dang, that was old skool!!
+Raditya Amandra yeah December 2006 issue it had Peter tarach using full-race manifold and Garrett gt2871r for his 240sx. Those were the days.
Did I hear....3SGTE? :)
This is probably my favorite shop tour you guys have done, owner seems awesome and I love the dedication to quality.
this guy knows cars
I've been wanting to get an upgraded turbo kit for my mazdaspeed 3. I thought full race was on the expensive side but now after seeing this, I'm going with the full-race kit. I'll take quality over price anyday
Let me know if you have any questions, I have that kit and I really do recommend it
@@X11CHASE what turbo are you running with the kit? I don't know much about the Borg Warner efr turbos.
I have a Full Race Kit on my K20 Civic. Ive had no issues and makes great numbers. I would recommend anything Full Race to anyone. You get what you pay for.
Very professionally managed! Love it 👍🏻
All this talk about Evos is not helping me with my "I want an Evo 9" problem! Full-Race is beyond top-notch! Great video, I really enjoyed this.
Just do it, the Evo 9 is the BEST evo ever built
I'm an old school fox Mustang guy... but damn I love that Evo 9. I have a buddy who has a very nice black Evo 8. That car is awesome. The 8 and the 9 are just amazing. I really don't care for the 10. I worked with a guy who was all about the 10, we would fight about which one is better all the time =) This is a great video my man. Full-Race is no joke. Very nice facility! Thank you for posting this one. You did a really great job.
Fullrace make the best exhaust manifolds! Very happy with my Fullrace Pro-Stock Evo manifold Ive been running last 5yrs!
Wow , best walk through that I heard in a long time very interesting.
Great video! Now I'm stoked to start my 240sx hatch build...
This shop is amazing..
Jeff's a cool guy.
amazing craftsmanship
I was gonna get a sheepey turbo kit but after watching this im hella sold and have decided which kit im going for thanks alot!
DOPE! i'm a certified welder and I was lusting after that argon tank!
The song is Scarlet Fire by Otis McDonald. Yet again, awesome video fellas!
Really hoping to purchase a Pro Street turbo kit from these guys in the next year or so for my 93 Hatch. Such fantastic fabrication and work.
Very good content, perfect welds and bends. Take care!
Love it. Thanks for the kick ass content SA, and thanks for the tour of Full-Race. Can't wait to see the V6 ecoboost swap in the future. Totally bad ass.
LOL the owner gives me that borderline savant vibe. Like his brain is only wired to build dope parts. That is so sick!
I have always been sold on Full Race but seeing the owner's knowledge and passion just reinforces that thought even more.
Geoff is a super smart dude, for sure. Not quite Rainman smart, but not far off! ;)
what a shop !! doing it proper !
I did gov construction and some of the pipes welded we used guys that welded in nuclear and the pharmaceutical field. They used “orbital” machines and they yielded the same type of welds but no electrode. It was so wild so to see these guys do a similar technique for race applications is amazing!
You definitely get what you pay for and now that I know how these guys do it their products are a bargain no matter what. That technique is just that good!
The quality cannot be compared to anything else in the world of welding.
Our guys made me a little orbital welded keychain and I have to this day. Those welds are sexy.
After seeing the quality control there's no doubt I will use Full Race to get my FA20 to where my FR-S needs it to be. I'd be happy with 320 hp at the wheels. I got the car for the turns. If I want a fast lap time I'll get on my bike. I want to put a turbo on that too.
great stuff..I love the 3sgte..awesome engine.
Bad ass Video!!! Wish the video was longer lol
Very impressive stuff!!!
AMAZING video...keep on the good work! support from Venezuela
yeah this guy is SUPER knowledgeable. They've got crazy precision and quality products. They probably produce the highest quality manifolds there is. I wonder if they do titanium? If not they should. Not gonna have many titanium projects but they would be the leaders of the industry.
amazing video
more of these style videos plz :)
loved this!
Cool video thanks
Full race,hypertune, and Garrett are the best after market companies in the race/tune genera 2 me period
Great video!!
Full race has never done me wrong.
Right on....
I drool over their EFR7163 kit for my Mazdaspeed 3.
I want to upgrade to a big turbo for my Mazdaspeed 6, but I'm not sure. I thought my stock turbo was maxed out, but it turns out my stock BPV is leaking and I'm waiting for my aftermarket one to arrive.
BTW, this is the 3rd video I've seen you! :D
SI0AX Haha, what can I say? Mazdaspeed 4 LYFE!
Here's the low-down about the stock turbo (Borg Warner's K04): it only flows 35 lbs/min. This means on a Speed 3 that's fully bolted in a region with good-quality fuel, you can hit in the 290-300whp and 325-330wtq range on 93 octane. On a Mazdaspeed 6, you'll have lower numbers than this due to AWD drivetrain losses. I speak from personal experience, having tuned Gen 1 and Gen 2 Speed 3s, and Mazdaspeed 6s. If ethanol is in your area, you can run an E25-E30 blend and up those numbers to ~330/380 on a Speed 3.
It all depends on your goals. I went with a BNR S3, which flows ~43 lbs/min, yet still spools really quick. On my ethanol blend tune, I put down ~385/380 in good weather. In the dead heat of summer, I'm down to about 365/355, but that's higher than it would be otherwise because I spray water-methanol too to keep my charge temps a lot cooler.
SI0AX Yeah, far too many of their fakes. I personally run the Synapse Diverter valve. It's pricey, but it's the fastest reacting valve on the market. A lot of folks like the Corksport one and the GoFast Bits one that has custom-adjustable VTA. Technically we lost metered air if we VTA, and that causes issues with richness, popping, etc. But if you set it to just VTA like 25-30%, you can usually have the cool VTA sound with little to no drivability issues.
If properly setup, a BNR S4 will generally hit 20 psi by 3,700 or so. I hit it by 3,250, and that's with a tune set to keep boost low in the bottom of the powerband to keep my stock block happy. And if you have a stock block, I think the S3 is the better choice, personally. If you ever want to build, you may want to get the S4. You should easily hit 450whp with it with proper supporting mods. I'm at ~385/380 @ the wheels on my S3.
Ah, I talked to the seller and he was flat out honest but said the fakes perform well. He said I could return it after testing it and not being satisfied. HKS specifically made the 4 because the 3 was copied so much lol. I'll check out the synapse. I plan on keeping the stock intercooler because of meth.
SI0AX The stock intercooler will be a major bottleneck if you upgrade your turbo. If you have your heart set on a top-mount, look into the CP-e on or the ETS one. You'll definitely need to upgrade with a bigger turbo. Stock TMIC flows like crap.
educational. thx guys
Good video and fullrace make very cool products, although the factory could do with some 5S. haha
One thing I noticed was the end tanks on the coolers did not look very aerodynamic, yet point was made of the CFD work on the turbo manifold. Wouldn't the charge system also benefit from a smoother path?
cool job
The tour guide really loves what he does to say the least, or he just drank too much coffee!
Geoff definitely loves what he does!
I actually have some sr20det questions. I am wanting to do about 6-750rwhp. What internals (brand and size/coatings) would you suggest along with valvetrain?
I remember seeing the R14 at Sema '06 and speaking briefly to Jeff about the car
That car is still such an accomplishment even for today!
Good video!
I love them
Do you make for vw rabbit or golf From 1980 to 84?
I would love to get into a company like this to advance my welding career!
what a great watch. any love for the European cars?
Gets my vote..
Quality!
So many borg warner parts. I had to use full race to get my correct EFR vband flanges
Cant wait for more ecoboost mustang parts from these guys
Now wondering if Full Race would ever do Chevy SBC/BBC/LS TT builds... >:D
Where is full race located at??
Good job Peter, let me know if you would like to pay us a visit
Thanks Reggie! Next time I'm in town I'll setup a visit, would love to shoot a video at Turbonetics.
i want a job like this in the future
Welding isn't the safest carrier. Lots of toxic gas emitted in doing so.
Gmachine231 True
+TheAuzzieSniper most professional fabrication shops have welding bays with hood extraction and you can get masks. Yes the fumes.are toxic but iys all risk management. Im a fabricator by trade and love getting to weld stuff like this up
How much can elite welders make/charge an hr?
For such a big name in the aftermarket scene, I would think their facility is much nicer
FR designs are in a weird place where they're not quite full race spec (Inconel etc), nor optimised for street use (runners too large and long). Great build quality for the price though.
really wished they did d16 honda motors just due their turbo superior spool characteristics. planning on making a world record circuit d16 ej1 with their turbo but they only have k and b. lightweight as possible from top to bottom just like type r integra FWD hitting record proves dont need 800hp and everyone always doing weight reduction anyways but to start lightweight power plant i'm sure to prove people wrong
price for the RB26?
Good god that tank of argon is huge.
I want to work at Full Race :D
fuck being a plumber...
i want to do THIS for a living
I think I saw this company in Tempe az USA and saw to many evos in there
too cool
3.5L twin turbo ecoboost motor into the ecoboost mustang.
so much yes. IMO the base engine that the mustang should have had, then if you want more step up to the supercharged v8.
Wish the mustang got the Aussie barra turbo straight 6.
As good as that engine is, its still an old iron block design at heart, that makes it much much heavier than even the 5L v8, its also comparatively a very long and tall engine.
For cheap and easy power its a great engine (fantastic even, so much potential with so little work), for emissions, weight and handling its not the right choice though, for that the all alloy 3.5L V6 is a better fit.
Why didn't I sub sooner!
What are the downsizes of a manifold that is too big?
You'll loose spool up speed.
Speed Academy Thanks
Loose Torque and Gain HP
It it is small you Gain Torque but lose HP
Neither is bad is depend what you want
Your engine will have to "fill" bigger amount of air if your manifold is too big, so it has to fill big headers volume and then it will spool turbo, that creates turbolag. Same with big ass intercoolers, for example, lot of guys which dont know basic rules has Subaru Impreza with stock TMIC which is designed for stock turbo, they buy big front mount intercooler with very long IC pipes, it takes so much time for stock turbo to fill that big volume till it gets to throttle body, so if you are running stock turbo you dont necessary need bigger IC and bigger sized headers. I recommend to use software for those applications, for example lotus simulation or pipemax, or new 4T header wizard.
Nice Orgontank
Salomondrin background music recognized.
Can't achieve that quality by hand?
Yes you can..........
The mans a god 👍👍😎
This guys shop is nirvana.
Moar!
expensive ass manifolds but worth every penny.. can't beat quality.
so thaaaaat's where my borg warner came from...
I will give a 3.7l Ford v6 to make a kit for it
I never heard of it we have AMG..............
Anyone hear the background music and thought @salomondrin was going to appear for a LTACY lmao
the amount of blur and out of focus shots in this video sucked. besides that, this was an awesome video
Thats the drawback to shooting in a dark area on a manual focus camera. Its really hard to keep focus due to the short depth of field. Ill try harder next time!
Sweeeet!
you guys are snow birds confirmed.
Well jeff... obviously you havent been around long enough in welding world... when you said no hand welding can have the same quality as your robotic welder... lets put those comment to practice....
you might want to use the terminology PURGING... for the full peno finish...
Fucking. Awesome.
6:25 haha he said penetration.
100% penetration.
+Harold Karrington
With that logic, a car can travel over 100mph, can you? A space shuttle can launch into space - can you?
A calculator can figure out any mathematical formula in under 0.0001 seconds. Can you?
+Harold Karrington
Cool story. Unfortunately welding for 100 miles while yearning for the stars isn't the recipe for flawless welds. Take a seat.
+Harold Karrington
Ofcourse. Typical youtube comments fashion, everybody thinks they know what the person on the other side of the keyboard does not have experience in.
tavi921 right you r...no penetration there i m afraid :)
Just curious, he said "very highly paid welders" I'm just curious what they actually make?
Jay Otto same. I'm looking into the field to do stuff like this, with a focus on cars
16:40 which means that Ford Focus RS could achieve 500 hp with this upgrade (since the engine is the same)
This shop needs to figure out what 5s is.
It's not that bad...but I get what you're saying...we do 5s at my plant...and after the initialization it's much easier to do quality,safe work in a space everyone is proud to work in...👍