Glad you did this. More people need to know about the accuracy of sidereal. The false system makes people think astrology is bs. Time people understand real-time astrology. ♥️
I identified as Aries under Western astrology for such a long time and it actually made a lot of sense. Being categorised as a Pisces-Aries cusp person made even more sense! It just fit perfectly... until a few days ago through SideReal I found out I'm in fact Pisces Sun with Aries Moon! This. changed. my. life! Like I never understood why I was never as aggressive and short-tempered as other Aries Sun individuals but finding out Aries is my moon sign made absolute sense because internally I'm a hot mess with the shortest temper and ready to fight anyone even though i don't project it outwards and always opt to just be 'nice'. Like i was reluctant at first to delve further because my current chart is wildly different to what i knew (and resonated with personally) but my new findings have BLOWN. MY. MIND! I cannot believe i've been deceived and gullibly so) for so long!!! Then again I have a Gemini Rising + Pisces Midheaven which now makes sense how easily I can adapt and identify with different personality traits even if they're not the most accurate and/or authentic descriptions of me (I can make any shoe fit lol) :-D much unlike my previous Cancer Rising identity which was honestly very hard to accept [since i'm skinny + very tall + HATE cooking] but I'd always pick-and-choose what resonated with me... LONG STORY SHORT - SIDEREAL IS THE SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you, much appreciated.
But... all those aggresive aries in sidereal will be picses anyway?? this is were i get confused and most cancers will all be gemini and all gems, taurus im confused my brother is a taurus sun yes he's slow, deliberate, stubborn loves food and the relaxed life.. so he is the typical taurean.. but his sidereal places him as an aggresive outgoing aries and that he's not
@@cerseijennsan1942 Well I'm also stubborn and have a very relaxed life and love food too and I'm a gemini according to tropical astrology. I'm also very introverted and don't talk that much. Same for most "geminis" who are truly have their suns in Taurus.
I’m Aries sun, Leo rising in tropical system. I COMPLETELY relate! Not REMOTELY resembling my Pisces placements in sidereal . It’s got zero relevance to my life, personality or character therefore I must disagree here only 💯.
@@cerseijennsan1942 He may have a lot of Taurus placements, just not the sun. But you have to check the chart. He may still be a Taurus sun if he was born in late May.
Hii can I ask you something? In your sidereal chart did you use whole signs system or equal house system? They have some differences in the placements of my planets and I really can't figure out which is more accurate for me..
After being a student of tropical astrology for 20 years, I have come to see how accurately 13 sign TS Astro speaks to the heart of who we truly are. My TS chart is so different but makes so much sense. Thank you Athen for your contribution to astrology. 🙏
Some years ago, I was starting to lern western/tropical Astrology, but after many months, I found out that western astrology wasn’t astronomically nor scientifically at all, completely unrealistic. Some days later I found sidereal Astrology, which has many true astronomical calculations that are scientifically proven. I also found out that sidereal Astrology is basically accurate, and tells you even your own birth star, which is really awesome. But suddenly sidereal astrology is not 100% correct. The main reason is that any sign has different sizes, and not always 30 degrees. Sidereal astrology is indeed real, astronomical, scientifically correct, but only if we use the original size of the signs, and we should use the whole house system, like in ancient times, because any house has a different size, the houses are not equal.
IMHO: While I agree with many points made by the narrator to both sides of this debate may I offer this for contemplation: ALL forms of astrology are from a Geocentric (Earth-based) reference point and that if one were in outer space these same points are non-existent! Why is it that we've placed so much significance to just our little corner of this universe? I believe we should encompass perhaps many theories (as 'theorizing' is truly all we're doing with ANY form) to try and make a case for our own existence. We are becoming increasingly aware that we weren't incarnated to simply get up, go to work, eat dinner, watch television, surf the web, go to bed, get up, wash, rinse, repeat! Our very existence has meaning... Sidereal Astrology has its merits, as does Tropical Astrology and every other form in between them. Have you ever seen your Draconic (reported to be an 'Over-Soul' chart) chart? Bet you would find 'pieces of yourself' in there too. The point is... to expand our focus in search for the deeper meaning of our very existence here on planet Earth
You have given me a new lease on life. I have been challenged by western astrology felt it was telling me thibgs about myself that just didnt resonate. Now. It's game over thank be to you Athen. Keep up the good work. May you be blessed for your in sights
I am a long time topical astrologer. Back in the early 80’s I attended a lecture by a Quebec astrologer by the name of Gilles Beriault. He presented on sidereal versus topical astrology. WIth benefit of having had 2 twin daughters he had numerous occasions to observe them and their life through this lens. THe main thrust was that one was more spiritual (Sidereal) and the other more mundane in orientation (Topical). On one specific day with a particular (Venus Sun aspect? Or a progression?- It was a long time ago) one daughter got married, and the other became a Nun, ostensibly marrying the church. Playing between the two increases the depth of my understanding of Self and Soul - and so to does Helio centric astrology. If anyone knows of a program for sidereal that works with Mac products of IOS Please let me know! Namaste.
Theory: Personality traits, transits, and life events of an individual may be revealed astrologically in different ways through the Tropical and Vedic Sidereal birth charts. However, there is a possibility that a 13 sign zodiac which includes Ophiuchus and orients the houses in a clockwise order, may be more accurate for many individual readers. This would be due to a reflection of the actual constellations as they appear in the sky along with the clockwise system which represents the sun’s diurnal movement as it appears to us on Earth. Furthermore, comparing all three charts could present a complex and perhaps more complete picture of an individual when similar major life themes are analyzed in all three (aspect patterns, similar sign elements, relationships between houses etc.) Keep up the great work!
Thank you Athen for another very informative video. Having ancestors that were the ancient Babylonians, I do believe things were omitted and tweaked to make it easier to divide the signs and dates. I plan on sharing this video with my friends. Thanks!
I have a couple questions about the houses in true sidereal astrology. Why do you use equal house system when the constellations are all different sizes? And why would there not be a thirteenth house for ophiucus?
SPACE MAN!!!! THIS IS FANTASTIC!!! So well created!! now I have something greatly informative to share with those who ask 🙏 Using the visible sky has definitely helped me daily to cope with the random energy's that come with planetary positions 🙏 Greatest guide in the lands!
Awesome video, I learned a lot. I'm learning sidereal astrology after having learned tropical for so long. I'm really excited to be learning it. Thank you 💖
I would say if you want to do any ‘meditations’ (perhaps for each signs /planet/ houses ) or anything in fact, I’d be listening and mesmerised. I’ve popped this awesome video up as a fixed page on my blog . 🥰 🙏🏻
I use true sidereal for myself and with my readings, and for many years dismissed western. Recently I started researching and tuning into the practice of calendar divinations grounded in the equinox/solstice rhythms, as well as the many different types of divination calendars (not only the solar, agricultural year) used in ancient cultures. I suspect "western" astrology has a stronger terrestrial basis, but in mainstream culture its true context and dynamic is missing - treated as star-based astrology vs. a planetary-terrestrial system. I still pay attention to both systems, which I suspect is yet another case of Both, And needing reconciliation.
The “collective consciousness” argument is deeply disturbing 🥺 I do not dispute the validity of the argument. I feel disturbed and sad that the influence became manifest and diverted so many from self love. All is not lost! We are finding our way back ❤️🙏🏻
My Western had 6 planets in Leo but Vedic Sidereal had 6 in Cancer. True Sidereal told the truth that 4 were in Leo and 2 in Cancer. My 6 planet conjunction was either in Leo or Cancer and while I love the flattery, I felt both. Also, my rising and NN in Ophichius made total sense. Didn’t feel quite Sag or Scorpio but Ophichius fits and it’s so obvious to people that know me. I stumbled into True Sidereal on my own but feel validated now thanks to pioneers willing to buck the trend. I was a total skeptic until I saw my natal at 63. I’ve gone back over those years and the Equal House system has been right on target with the major events that have already happened. I can’t ever go back to the zodiac anymore.
When the chart calculators return, can you please implement the 13 house system please instead of having 12 houses and 13 constellations so that there would be 13 houses as it should be. Please and thanks.
Thank You very much Sir! This is the information I've searched for. Not surprised I found it from you😊. Many blessings! Btw, I will be sharing. Your video is inviting-non intimidating, easy to understand and thought provoking. 👍🏽✌🏽🌻
Athen very good work, I use Ophiuchus astrology, and I love her very much. But, I am a little bit confused, because, 1 site gives me a Gemini Venus! Kim Lovelace, a very good 13 sign astrologer, make my chart, and the Venus is on 36° Taurus. My date is 5 August 1964 3:20 in morning in Thermo Greece. Can you, please, give me an opinion?
Thank you for addressing the problems that tropical astrology seem to have, I’m personally an astrologer myself though I’m not the kind of person who gives other people advice. I would rather research and do projects and try and attempt to decipher other peoples charts using my self-created entire division of astrology which is called compassition astrology, it bases of the cycles of human behaviour, the compass and the different types of energies that is prevalent in today’s society.
I think this is my favorite among your videos explaining true sidereal astrology. For my part, I’ve found a blend of both mainstream astrology for seasonal patterns and general trends and true sidereal astrology for more focused daily and weekly forecasts to be most helpful. Your charts for sun signs have also helped me better identify my friends’ and family’s characteristics in a more accurate and insightful way. As for me, I’m an Aquarius in both 😉. I would love to know your take on “cusps.” Thanks, as always, Athen, for the great information and presentation and for making so many of us aware of true sidereal astrology! Namaste🙏
Thanks Jennifer. Cusps are essentially blends of both signs/houses the planet is next to. If you have a planet in between Aries and Taurus it's said to be on the cusp and a blend of both signs.
@@MasteringthezodiacI used your calculator and it shows Mars in Leo in 29 degrees but it shows it could be off by 1mm could this mean I'm possibly a Mars in Virgo if it's 30 degrees? It's actually closer to 28.7 degrees when I zoom in it still shows I would be a Mars in Leo even if I was born an hour later not sure if this has anything to do with it I'm confused especially when people say 28-29 degrees is a cusp
Great video! I started using sidereal calculations about 5 years ago and find it to be more accurate even though I am using the Vedic equal house system with the idea that it is still in the energetic influence of the zodiac however after seeing the actual unequal zodiac house system I’m seeing the wisdom in the actual zodiac system.
While I agree that sidereal is more accurate of our true nature and should be just as prevalent (if not more), it's not to say tropical is outright "wrong" per se. The truth is we live in a world full of distortions that seek to diverge people from their true nature by prompting us to create false identities and mistake them for the actual self-- that is the what the tropical astrology seems to represent. Each sign evolves into the next, so it makes sense that a skewed delineation of the skies can be reflective of a skewed perception of self that may not be so far off from the true self, but still suffers from delusion, self doubt, and a lack of self-acceptance which can create attachments to false identities. For some that aren't attached to a false identity and seek to heal these shadow sides , sidereal may be more accurate, but for most people (and the collective) there seems to be a harmonic that plays out between the tropical and sidereal, between the shadow self and true self as everyone evolves their consciousness. We are all challenged in this world to transcend these false identities and live as our truest, most authentic soul selves, thus I feel the addition of tropical astrology plays a important part in helping us to observe how the distortions of our reality warp our perceptions.
This really resonates. My tropical chart was totally aspirational, the person that I wanted them to say I was, but I am not. Having lots of planets in Gemini sounded like I am really smart and a great communicator and I could be because of Mercury aspects, it is just that all those placements are actually in Taurus XD. Getting out bed is a big deal for me XD
Hi Athen thank you. I think that they are both accurate!! The tropical is accurate in the material world, and the Sidereal for the spiritual world. I am thinking deeply about this subject and looking for clues to unify both. It's like going meta above meta in astrology... like tropical is the Sun aspect and Sidereal the Moon Aspect. And learning both of them is the way to integrate our life and know THE TRUE ASCENDANT and direction of our life Journey. What do you think about that Athen. I am a subscriber many years now. Thank you 💐
That's a very good way to look at it, I just wanted to highlight this comment because that's literally what it is, even in Africa, ancient Kemet /Egypt they used both, the tropical zodiac/calender was and is the farmers zodiac because its tied to the seasons which is as physical/mundane as it gets; the distance from the sun, but sidereal tells us the age of those seasons and what zodiac influences are effecting them.
Hi M. What i mean by spiritual is our other 6 bodies: Intelectual, emotioal, mental, spiritual... it's much larger than the earthly side of it... as Athen sais some people may have the same sign in both systems or some planet in the same signs at least. But from what i've learned from other sources and my personal experiences, this is how i look at it. And if you can help me/us know more about the subject , i'll be so thankfull. Have a good day/ night 💐🙏
Really interesting - by using this sideral system, I'm actually under Aries rather than Taurus. I'd thought I was under Taurus for my entire life. I'd heard several of your interviews from Crrow's podcast. Great information and thanks for sharing.
Just wondering, with Sidereal Astrology, will the coming Saturn Pluto Conjunction happen at a different time to when the Tropical Astrologers say it will? Thank you.
Thank you so much Athen for this video and whatever you do to bring back the True and Natural Astrology to our human society 🙏❤ I'm intrigued to learn the true size of each 13 constellations by the degree. Can you please tell us?
How do astronomical astrologers interpret the effects of stars, planets & constellations? The traits and nature of various planets & constellations are considered to be same as in the western (or sidereal) astrology? Our do they have their own system & interpretation?
I agree with you, I find this all fascinating. I thought I was a Virgo sun sign my whole life, turns out I'm Leo sun, Uttarah Bhadrapada Nakshatra. Obviously, trying to dig deep!
I always thought,or believed,astrology would make more sense if using the actual stars in the sky! My preference,either way. I resonate with my true sidereal chart lots more!
Wow! I love this! This makes more sense to me than seasonal astrology given my enthusiasm for astronomy. Turns out I'm not a Capricorn. I am actually a Saggie! I thought I must be the most Un-capricorn Capricorn when I did my chart. Now I know why! 🖤💜💚✨🌙🛸
I have a lot of respect for your level of questioning and ability to challenge the Tropical system. I have always had questions, and the Tropical system doesn't make any logical sense. But then again, I also have questions about Sidereal. Even if a person is born under the constellation of whatever sign they are, why should that cluster of stars which forms an agreed upon, and arbitrary picture, of say, a Crab (cancer), or Lion (leo), or Bull (taurus), have anything to do with the person? After all, those clusters of stars don't really look like these things at all. What if someone else doesn't see a lion or a crab but something else entirely? Isn't it odd to consider that these agreed upon star images have anything to do with us? Could it be that astrology in its entirely, is simply made up?
Well for me is easy The sidereal is bringing what tropical can't proof The tropical say there is 12 zodiac in the sky but when we ask where they can't proof where is it. Sidereal get the constellations and curious those constellation even if they are far of each other the stars if you use let say a pen and you starting to line each other has like hypothetical appearance like the zodiac I guess that the answer. The sun is also a star Here where tropical system break his rules Of why sidereal follow stars if the stars doesn't have any effect, Well is like thinking why we consider the sun in the natal chart as our solar zodiac.
Our sidereal astrology keeps our festivals & other day to day events in harmony with the constellations. Our ancient sages know the MULA (root)as well as the JYESTHA(bigger) constellation!!
This is an argument from ignorance. It isn't anchored to the actuality of the sky anymore than equal tempering is anchored to the natural harmonic series in music. It is an *intentional* mathematical alteration to create a working system. It is a system based on harmonics (which don't change) of planetary movements, not on what the constellations are doing (which are too far away to matter).
I still cannot seem to find the answer to: is the energetic influences that we experience (given that we believe in causality of astrology) coming from the stars/constellations themselves, the planets (vedic wisdom tends to say no- planets are empty vessels), the seasons, or something else entirely? Thank you for all your good work Athen. Long time subscriber here✌️ Fin
I've been studying all three systems for just about 5 years now for context and haven't been able to get an answer to this from any of the astrologers I interact with
Thankyou so much for this, I have changed my Sun sign over and I am now willing to ask a question that may appear ignorant but I feel that it’s important, if anyone can let me know that would be great, my ascendant sign and moon sign…will they remain as they were or will they also change? Thanks very much X
Joni Patry offers 1h reading via skype for 550USD... yours is 30min - 165USD. Joni has a great accuracy and reputation... and I don't know too much about yours and your system. Why should I choose your reading over Joni's? 😎 PS Maybe you should record your predictions about world events like she does? So more ppl could see about the accuracy of your method
I am unable to calculate my birth chart from your link. Please assist. The location is not amongst your options. I was born and reside in Aotearoa, New Zealand. Thank you.
Constellations are a human construct. They do not exist as entities. Stars that are very very far apart in 3d appear to be "in line" to our perspective from earth. Constellations are used for mapping the stars, because they have fixed locations to the naked human eye. Astrology is based on seasons (both our tour around the sun and the moon's tour around us matters in different cultures) and locations of "traveling entities" close to us. To measure the effects of these large entities close to us, we use constellations to map the sky and calculate equal degrees of the zodiac. Humans, namely people of Mesopotamia, have found out about the effect of seasons and the locations of planets at birth very cleverly. So our astrology is based on that.
If that were the case, one's sun sign is all anyone needs. Where does the rising or moon sign and so on come from? What's the point of far away planets in the natal chart, or any aspects at all? Furthermore, shouldn't the zodiac be flipped in the southern hemisphere, then? It could just all be simplified to spring, summer, fall, and winter personalities.
@@Animokey yes that's partly what I was suggesting:) The big masses of large and close entities such as the Moon, Venus, Mars are also important in my personal theory. So it's not just seasons, masses too. But I don't see how their angles with each other from our single viewpoint would matter. I believe the solar system works as a whole, with us part of it. They don't "affect" us with their angles or such, but we become what we are as a whole. I personally see the traits of the "traditional" zodiac signs in my loved ones, sun, moon and some others. I don't see sidereal sign traits at all in myself. But all that might be psychological aswell.
Zeynep Burcu Kâya I wonder how masses affect us aside from the moon’s gravity and the sun’s radiation. I can see the “traditional” sign traits in some of my loved ones but not all. The sidereal system makes sense for others. There’s a lot of tropical Aries-heavy people in my life who act much more piscean, and my scorpio sun, aquarius moon mother is DEFINITELY more Virgo-Cap. My brother reflects his traditional zodiac more. It’s interesting to compare and contrast. But ultimately, people are people.
Thank you Athen, this was a great video, you explained things so eloquently & easy to understand. I've only just come across your channel & already I've leant I'm not Libran but a Virgo. And I can see now, I'm sooooo Virgo! 😁💖😄
Mastering the Zodiac with Athen Chimenti so it’s equatorial then? or are you using the international celestial reference frame? That’s interesting, most astrology is done on the ecliptic coordinate system. How is declination used on the 2d chart wheel?
Hi Athen, Thank you very much for the video. I have the same question. At the same point in time sky looks drastically different in same longitude location but one near equator and one near the North Pole. How does a 2 dimensional chart represent that?
Since person's born under Aries now still Carry the Aries characteristics how is it that the tropical astrology has shifted a whole sign and Aries is now Pisces according to sidereal astrology ? Can anyone explain ? Also the Uranus transits through Aries and Taurus people born under tropical Aries are feeling the effects according to tropical astrology predictions. How can this be explained since according to sidereal astrology Aries are pisces?
Looking at a sidereal chart for the day March 22th AD 313 Sun was at 0 Aries and that was the year when era of Pisces actually started. Year 313 AD is also known for Milan Edict, a year when Christianity was allowed. First Christian symbol was a Fish... Is this unintentional Tropical calculation fraud, somehow related to foggy and deceptive character of the Pisces era...?
There is a common but massive misconception you repeat in your video: that the Tropical Zodiac originated with Ptolemy. This is inaccurate to say the least. Here's a good correction: www.sevenstarsastrology.com/how-old-is-the-tropical-zodiac/
Glad you did this. More people need to know about the accuracy of sidereal. The false system makes people think astrology is bs. Time people understand real-time astrology. ♥️
I identified as Aries under Western astrology for such a long time and it actually made a lot of sense. Being categorised as a Pisces-Aries cusp person made even more sense! It just fit perfectly... until a few days ago through SideReal I found out I'm in fact Pisces Sun with Aries Moon! This. changed. my. life! Like I never understood why I was never as aggressive and short-tempered as other Aries Sun individuals but finding out Aries is my moon sign made absolute sense because internally I'm a hot mess with the shortest temper and ready to fight anyone even though i don't project it outwards and always opt to just be 'nice'. Like i was reluctant at first to delve further because my current chart is wildly different to what i knew (and resonated with personally) but my new findings have BLOWN. MY. MIND! I cannot believe i've been deceived and gullibly so) for so long!!! Then again I have a Gemini Rising + Pisces Midheaven which now makes sense how easily I can adapt and identify with different personality traits even if they're not the most accurate and/or authentic descriptions of me (I can make any shoe fit lol) :-D much unlike my previous Cancer Rising identity which was honestly very hard to accept [since i'm skinny + very tall + HATE cooking] but I'd always pick-and-choose what resonated with me... LONG STORY SHORT - SIDEREAL IS THE SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you, much appreciated.
But... all those aggresive aries in sidereal will be picses anyway?? this is were i get confused and most cancers will all be gemini and all gems, taurus im confused my brother is a taurus sun yes he's slow, deliberate, stubborn loves food and the relaxed life.. so he is the typical taurean.. but his sidereal places him as an aggresive outgoing aries and that he's not
@@cerseijennsan1942 Well I'm also stubborn and have a very relaxed life and love food too and I'm a gemini according to tropical astrology. I'm also very introverted and don't talk that much. Same for most "geminis" who are truly have their suns in Taurus.
I’m Aries sun, Leo rising in tropical system. I COMPLETELY relate! Not REMOTELY resembling my Pisces placements in sidereal . It’s got zero relevance to my life, personality or character therefore I must disagree here only 💯.
@@cerseijennsan1942 He may have a lot of Taurus placements, just not the sun. But you have to check the chart. He may still be a Taurus sun if he was born in late May.
Hii can I ask you something? In your sidereal chart did you use whole signs system or equal house system? They have some differences in the placements of my planets and I really can't figure out which is more accurate for me..
After being a student of tropical astrology for 20 years, I have come to see how accurately 13 sign TS Astro speaks to the heart of who we truly are. My TS chart is so different but makes so much sense. Thank you Athen for your contribution to astrology. 🙏
Some years ago, I was starting to lern western/tropical Astrology, but after many months, I found out that western astrology wasn’t astronomically nor scientifically at all, completely unrealistic. Some days later I found sidereal Astrology, which has many true astronomical calculations that are scientifically proven. I also found out that sidereal Astrology is basically accurate, and tells you even your own birth star, which is really awesome. But suddenly sidereal astrology is not 100% correct. The main reason is that any sign has different sizes, and not always 30 degrees. Sidereal astrology is indeed real, astronomical, scientifically correct, but only if we use the original size of the signs, and we should use the whole house system, like in ancient times, because any house has a different size, the houses are not equal.
IMHO: While I agree with many points made by the narrator to both sides of this debate may I offer this for contemplation: ALL forms of astrology are from a Geocentric (Earth-based) reference point and that if one were in outer space these same points are non-existent! Why is it that we've placed so much significance to just our little corner of this universe? I believe we should encompass perhaps many theories (as 'theorizing' is truly all we're doing with ANY form) to try and make a case for our own existence. We are becoming increasingly aware that we weren't incarnated to simply get up, go to work, eat dinner, watch television, surf the web, go to bed, get up, wash, rinse, repeat! Our very existence has meaning... Sidereal Astrology has its merits, as does Tropical Astrology and every other form in between them. Have you ever seen your Draconic (reported to be an 'Over-Soul' chart) chart? Bet you would find 'pieces of yourself' in there too. The point is... to expand our focus in search for the deeper meaning of our very existence here on planet Earth
Brilliant work brother. Following Sidereal Astrology, for me, is being in synch with nature. Our magick is much more potent because of this :)
exactly
Agree
You have given me a new lease on life. I have been challenged by western astrology felt it was telling me thibgs about myself that just didnt resonate. Now. It's game over thank be to you Athen. Keep up the good work. May you be blessed for your in sights
I am a long time topical astrologer. Back in the early 80’s I attended a lecture by a Quebec astrologer by the name of Gilles Beriault. He presented on sidereal versus topical astrology. WIth benefit of having had 2 twin daughters he had numerous occasions to observe them and their life through this lens. THe main thrust was that one was more spiritual (Sidereal) and the other more mundane in orientation (Topical). On one specific day with a particular (Venus Sun aspect? Or a progression?- It was a long time ago) one daughter got married, and the other became a Nun, ostensibly marrying the church. Playing between the two increases the depth of my understanding of Self and Soul - and so to does Helio centric astrology. If anyone knows of a program for sidereal that works with Mac products of IOS Please let me know! Namaste.
Hurray!! This is much needed and appreciated!! Thanks, Athen!!!
Theory:
Personality traits, transits, and life events of an individual may be revealed astrologically in different ways through the Tropical and Vedic Sidereal birth charts. However, there is a possibility that a 13 sign zodiac which includes Ophiuchus and orients the houses in a clockwise order, may be more accurate for many individual readers. This would be due to a reflection of the actual constellations as they appear in the sky along with the clockwise system which represents the sun’s diurnal movement as it appears to us on Earth. Furthermore, comparing all three charts could present a complex and perhaps more complete picture of an individual when similar major life themes are analyzed in all three (aspect patterns, similar sign elements, relationships between houses etc.)
Keep up the great work!
Thank you. This really helps in my understanding of the differences in Sideral astrology/Vedic/True sidereal.
Thank you Athen for another very informative video. Having ancestors that were the ancient Babylonians, I do believe things were omitted and tweaked to make it easier to divide the signs and dates. I plan on sharing this video with my friends. Thanks!
Omg 👍🏼🌻 i been waiting for this video !!!!!!
Awseome man!!! 👏🏻👍🏼🌻🌻🌻
I have a couple questions about the houses in true sidereal astrology. Why do you use equal house system when the constellations are all different sizes? And why would there not be a thirteenth house for ophiucus?
SPACE MAN!!!! THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!
So well created!!
now I have something greatly informative to share with those who ask 🙏
Using the visible sky has definitely helped me daily to cope with the random energy's that come with planetary positions 🙏
Greatest guide in the lands!
Soooo Good... Thank you. Learning Sidereal and really applying it. Great video lesson. Sidereal is the truth for ME.THANK YOU.
Makes perfect sense to me! Size is very important!!
I have been waiting for this with such an excitement! I am definitely going to include it in the interview for my astrology magazine!
Awesome video, I learned a lot. I'm learning sidereal astrology after having learned tropical for so long. I'm really excited to be learning it. Thank you 💖
Amazing information, brilliantly presented!! Thank you!!
I would say if you want to do any ‘meditations’ (perhaps for each signs /planet/ houses ) or anything in fact, I’d be listening and mesmerised. I’ve popped this awesome video up as a fixed page on my blog . 🥰 🙏🏻
I use true sidereal for myself and with my readings, and for many years dismissed western. Recently I started researching and tuning into the practice of calendar divinations grounded in the equinox/solstice rhythms, as well as the many different types of divination calendars (not only the solar, agricultural year) used in ancient cultures. I suspect "western" astrology has a stronger terrestrial basis, but in mainstream culture its true context and dynamic is missing - treated as star-based astrology vs. a planetary-terrestrial system. I still pay attention to both systems, which I suspect is yet another case of Both, And needing reconciliation.
Thank you! Beautifully explained.
Thanks Athen. Beautifully done. Wonderful clear explanation.
This is very well done Athen, thank you for doing this 🙏🏾✨👏🏾💜
Very good!!! Thank You Athen!!! Soon y ask you for more! From Lisbon Luís.
The “collective consciousness” argument is deeply disturbing 🥺 I do not dispute the validity of the argument. I feel disturbed and sad that the influence became manifest and diverted so many from self love. All is not lost! We are finding our way back ❤️🙏🏻
My Western had 6 planets in Leo but Vedic Sidereal had 6 in Cancer. True Sidereal told the truth that 4 were in Leo and 2 in Cancer. My 6 planet conjunction was either in Leo or Cancer and while I love the flattery, I felt both. Also, my rising and NN in Ophichius made total sense. Didn’t feel quite Sag or Scorpio but Ophichius fits and it’s so obvious to people that know me. I stumbled into True Sidereal on my own but feel validated now thanks to pioneers willing to buck the trend. I was a total skeptic until I saw my natal at 63. I’ve gone back over those years and the Equal House system has been right on target with the major events that have already happened. I can’t ever go back to the zodiac anymore.
When the chart calculators return, can you please implement the 13 house system please instead of having 12 houses and 13 constellations so that there would be 13 houses as it should be. Please and thanks.
Thank you Athen. This is an excellent explanation. I will be sharing!
Athen this is an outstanding video. The video is informative & beautiful presentation. I'm so happy I found your channel.
Thank you Athen
THANK YOU! I’ve been explaining this to people and this is what I needed! 🙌
Thank you so much for this video!!! I shared it before I finished watching it!!!
Thank You very much Sir! This is the information I've searched for. Not surprised I found it from you😊. Many blessings! Btw, I will be sharing. Your video is inviting-non intimidating, easy to understand and thought provoking. 👍🏽✌🏽🌻
Athen very good work, I use Ophiuchus astrology, and I love her very much. But, I am a little bit confused, because, 1 site gives me a Gemini Venus! Kim Lovelace, a very good 13 sign astrologer, make my chart, and the Venus is on 36° Taurus.
My date is 5 August 1964 3:20 in morning in Thermo Greece. Can you, please, give me an opinion?
Great Video Athens,def going into my favorites,love in the intro on how we're disconnected from our natural environment(which i def can admit to)
Love you work! Thank you for what you do, i've been waiting and looking for this! :-)
Finally! We really needed this video. Great job!
Sidereal astrology is Amazing✨✨💜
Wait, you use sidereal astrology AND you listen to subliminals? Can we be friends?😂😂😂
A huge thanks. Athens
Thank you for addressing the problems that tropical astrology seem to have, I’m personally an astrologer myself though I’m not the kind of person who gives other people advice. I would rather research and do projects and try and attempt to decipher other peoples charts using my self-created entire division of astrology which is called compassition astrology, it bases of the cycles of human behaviour, the compass and the different types of energies that is prevalent in today’s society.
I think this is my favorite among your videos explaining true sidereal astrology. For my part, I’ve found a blend of both mainstream astrology for seasonal patterns and general trends and true sidereal astrology for more focused daily and weekly forecasts to be most helpful. Your charts for sun signs have also helped me better identify my friends’ and family’s characteristics in a more accurate and insightful way. As for me, I’m an Aquarius in both 😉. I would love to know your take on “cusps.” Thanks, as always, Athen, for the great information and presentation and for making so many of us aware of true sidereal astrology! Namaste🙏
Thanks Jennifer. Cusps are essentially blends of both signs/houses the planet is next to. If you have a planet in between Aries and Taurus it's said to be on the cusp and a blend of both signs.
@@MasteringthezodiacI used your calculator and it shows Mars in Leo in 29 degrees but it shows it could be off by 1mm could this mean I'm possibly a Mars in Virgo if it's 30 degrees? It's actually closer to 28.7 degrees when I zoom in it still shows I would be a Mars in Leo even if I was born an hour later not sure if this has anything to do with it I'm confused especially when people say 28-29 degrees is a cusp
Great video! I started using sidereal calculations about 5 years ago and find it to be more accurate even though I am using the Vedic equal house system with the idea that it is still in the energetic influence of the zodiac however after seeing the actual unequal zodiac house system I’m seeing the wisdom in the actual zodiac system.
Well done! Thank you brother 🙏❤😸
Thank you.
Good info thank you for explaining
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While I agree that sidereal is more accurate of our true nature and should be just as prevalent (if not more), it's not to say tropical is outright "wrong" per se. The truth is we live in a world full of distortions that seek to diverge people from their true nature by prompting us to create false identities and mistake them for the actual self-- that is the what the tropical astrology seems to represent. Each sign evolves into the next, so it makes sense that a skewed delineation of the skies can be reflective of a skewed perception of self that may not be so far off from the true self, but still suffers from delusion, self doubt, and a lack of self-acceptance which can create attachments to false identities. For some that aren't attached to a false identity and seek to heal these shadow sides , sidereal may be more accurate, but for most people (and the collective) there seems to be a harmonic that plays out between the tropical and sidereal, between the shadow self and true self as everyone evolves their consciousness. We are all challenged in this world to transcend these false identities and live as our truest, most authentic soul selves, thus I feel the addition of tropical astrology plays a important part in helping us to observe how the distortions of our reality warp our perceptions.
exactly^^^
This really resonates. My tropical chart was totally aspirational, the person that I wanted them to say I was, but I am not. Having lots of planets in Gemini sounded like I am really smart and a great communicator and I could be because of Mercury aspects, it is just that all those placements are actually in Taurus XD. Getting out bed is a big deal for me XD
This is so true!
Hi Athen thank you. I think that they are both accurate!! The tropical is accurate in the material world, and the Sidereal for the spiritual world. I am thinking deeply about this subject and looking for clues to unify both. It's like going meta above meta in astrology... like tropical is the Sun aspect and Sidereal the Moon Aspect. And learning both of them is the way to integrate our life and know THE TRUE ASCENDANT and direction of our life Journey. What do you think about that Athen. I am a subscriber many years now. Thank you 💐
That's a very good way to look at it, I just wanted to highlight this comment because that's literally what it is, even in Africa, ancient Kemet /Egypt they used both, the tropical zodiac/calender was and is the farmers zodiac because its tied to the seasons which is as physical/mundane as it gets; the distance from the sun, but sidereal tells us the age of those seasons and what zodiac influences are effecting them.
I hate when people only say sidereal accurate in spiritual way
Mohamed El Idrissi Moqaddem this isn’t accurate for everyone . Yes they are both correct , but I follow sidereal
Hi M. What i mean by spiritual is our other 6 bodies: Intelectual, emotioal, mental, spiritual... it's much larger than the earthly side of it... as Athen sais some people may have the same sign in both systems or some planet in the same signs at least. But from what i've learned from other sources and my personal experiences, this is how i look at it. And if you can help me/us know more about the subject , i'll be so thankfull. Have a good day/ night 💐🙏
thank u so much for the video
Really interesting - by using this sideral system, I'm actually under Aries rather than Taurus. I'd thought I was under Taurus for my entire life. I'd heard several of your interviews from Crrow's podcast. Great information and thanks for sharing.
I am the same! I came across sidereal astrology @10 months ago and now realise it is far more accurate than the western tropical. Wow
Great video
This is AMAZING!!! Thank you!!!
This was so information and eye opening. Thank you!
What a wonderful video. Thank you again Athen x
Can you help? I'm looking for some e-books on the true sidereal that are the best. What will you recommend? Thank you so much for the channel :)
I also want to know... What do you think about using or not using the visible astrology in the sky?
Constellational (aka "True Sidereal") > Vedic/Sidereal > Tropical
@@ethereal6279 search in google “true sidereal birth chart calculator”
Just wondering, with Sidereal Astrology, will the coming Saturn Pluto Conjunction happen at a different time to when the Tropical Astrologers say it will? Thank you.
Yeah everything happens at the same time. Tropical and sidreal. The only difference are the signs.
Taking notes ✍️🎶
Im wondering are there more youtube channels concerning true sidereal astrology?
Thank you so much Athen for this video and whatever you do to bring back the True and Natural Astrology to our human society 🙏❤ I'm intrigued to learn the true size of each 13 constellations by the degree. Can you please tell us?
How do astronomical astrologers interpret the effects of stars, planets & constellations? The traits and nature of various planets & constellations are considered to be same as in the western (or sidereal) astrology? Our do they have their own system & interpretation?
What if the Earth is not a spinning ball? What if the sun, moon and stars encircled our earth?
Ty I will.
My whole world just got turned upside-down with this...
Ancient sages lives beyond time.
I agree with you, I find this all fascinating. I thought I was a Virgo sun sign my whole life, turns out I'm Leo sun, Uttarah Bhadrapada Nakshatra. Obviously, trying to dig deep!
I wish the ORION constellation was included in the zodiac. It's on the opposite side of OPHUICHUS.
Thanks 😎
How does it compare with Vedic astrology
I always thought,or believed,astrology would make more sense if using the actual stars in the sky! My preference,either way. I resonate with my true sidereal chart lots more!
The atlas part for your birth chart calculator doesn’t work and it’s very frustrating
Wow! I love this! This makes more sense to me than seasonal astrology given my enthusiasm for astronomy.
Turns out I'm not a Capricorn. I am actually a Saggie! I thought I must be the most Un-capricorn Capricorn when I did my chart. Now I know why! 🖤💜💚✨🌙🛸
So when did thi astrology and how do we know it moved one degree in 72 years. Moreover, when did the countdown start.?
I have a lot of respect for your level of questioning and ability to challenge the Tropical system. I have always had questions, and the Tropical system doesn't make any logical sense.
But then again, I also have questions about Sidereal. Even if a person is born under the constellation of whatever sign they are, why should that cluster of stars which forms an agreed upon, and arbitrary picture, of say, a Crab (cancer), or Lion (leo), or Bull (taurus), have anything to do with the person?
After all, those clusters of stars don't really look like these things at all. What if someone else doesn't see a lion or a crab but something else entirely? Isn't it odd to consider that these agreed upon star images have anything to do with us? Could it be that astrology in its entirely, is simply made up?
Well for me is easy
The sidereal is bringing what tropical can't proof
The tropical say there is 12 zodiac in the sky but when we ask where they can't proof where is it.
Sidereal get the constellations and curious those constellation even if they are far of each other the stars if you use let say a pen and you starting to line each other has like hypothetical appearance like the zodiac
I guess that the answer.
The sun is also a star
Here where tropical system break his rules
Of why sidereal follow stars if the stars doesn't have any effect,
Well is like thinking why we consider the sun in the natal chart as our solar zodiac.
Western astrology and sidereal astrology have a lot of the same aspects, which is why they appear accurate.
How can I receive my birth chart?
05/12/1956
10 28 am please let me know?
Our sidereal astrology keeps our festivals & other day to day events in harmony with the constellations. Our ancient sages know the MULA (root)as well as the JYESTHA(bigger) constellation!!
It’s like a Ptolemaic day light savings time to hasn’t looked up to the skies ever since
This is an argument from ignorance. It isn't anchored to the actuality of the sky anymore than equal tempering is anchored to the natural harmonic series in music. It is an *intentional* mathematical alteration to create a working system. It is a system based on harmonics (which don't change) of planetary movements, not on what the constellations are doing (which are too far away to matter).
I still cannot seem to find the answer to: is the energetic influences that we experience (given that we believe in causality of astrology) coming from the stars/constellations themselves, the planets (vedic wisdom tends to say no- planets are empty vessels), the seasons, or something else entirely?
Thank you for all your good work Athen. Long time subscriber here✌️
Fin
I've been studying all three systems for just about 5 years now for context and haven't been able to get an answer to this from any of the astrologers I interact with
Thankyou so much for this, I have changed my Sun sign over and I am now willing to ask a question that may appear ignorant but I feel that it’s important, if anyone can let me know that would be great, my ascendant sign and moon sign…will they remain as they were or will they also change?
Thanks very much X
They will change in degree
is the right sideral zodiac or not
How about predictions in true sidereal? Are they accurate?
More so than vedic?
Joni Patry offers 1h reading via skype for 550USD...
yours is 30min - 165USD.
Joni has a great accuracy and reputation... and I don't know too much about yours and your system.
Why should I choose your reading over Joni's? 😎
PS Maybe you should record your predictions about world events like she does?
So more ppl could see about the accuracy of your method
I am unable to calculate my birth chart from your link. Please assist. The location is not amongst your options. I was born and reside in Aotearoa, New Zealand. Thank you.
So grateful for this information. I.have emailed you Athens. Have a blessed week.
Constellations are a human construct. They do not exist as entities. Stars that are very very far apart in 3d appear to be "in line" to our perspective from earth. Constellations are used for mapping the stars, because they have fixed locations to the naked human eye.
Astrology is based on seasons (both our tour around the sun and the moon's tour around us matters in different cultures) and locations of "traveling entities" close to us. To measure the effects of these large entities close to us, we use constellations to map the sky and calculate equal degrees of the zodiac. Humans, namely people of Mesopotamia, have found out about the effect of seasons and the locations of planets at birth very cleverly. So our astrology is based on that.
If that were the case, one's sun sign is all anyone needs. Where does the rising or moon sign and so on come from? What's the point of far away planets in the natal chart, or any aspects at all? Furthermore, shouldn't the zodiac be flipped in the southern hemisphere, then? It could just all be simplified to spring, summer, fall, and winter personalities.
@@Animokey yes that's partly what I was suggesting:) The big masses of large and close entities such as the Moon, Venus, Mars are also important in my personal theory. So it's not just seasons, masses too. But I don't see how their angles with each other from our single viewpoint would matter. I believe the solar system works as a whole, with us part of it. They don't "affect" us with their angles or such, but we become what we are as a whole.
I personally see the traits of the "traditional" zodiac signs in my loved ones, sun, moon and some others. I don't see sidereal sign traits at all in myself. But all that might be psychological aswell.
Zeynep Burcu Kâya I wonder how masses affect us aside from the moon’s gravity and the sun’s radiation. I can see the “traditional” sign traits in some of my loved ones but not all. The sidereal system makes sense for others. There’s a lot of tropical Aries-heavy people in my life who act much more piscean, and my scorpio sun, aquarius moon mother is DEFINITELY more Virgo-Cap. My brother reflects his traditional zodiac more. It’s interesting to compare and contrast. But ultimately, people are people.
So is true Sidereal same as Vedic?
i’m a Aries sun Leo moon in sidereal astrology
Was Ptolemy, “Claudius Ptolemy”?
Thank you Athen, this was a great video, you explained things so eloquently & easy to understand. I've only just come across your channel & already I've leant I'm not Libran but a Virgo. And I can see now, I'm sooooo Virgo! 😁💖😄
I have a friend and her birthday is april 29th SHe supposed to be a Taurus but she act more like a Aries.
8:21 - Good to know!
Are you considering latitude or the planet’s distance from the ecliptic?
Yes the system I use takes into account declination.
Mastering the Zodiac with Athen Chimenti so it’s equatorial then? or are you using the international celestial reference frame? That’s interesting, most astrology is done on the ecliptic coordinate system. How is declination used on the 2d chart wheel?
Hi Athen,
Thank you very much for the video.
I have the same question. At the same point in time sky looks drastically different in same longitude location but one near equator and one near the North Pole. How does a 2 dimensional chart represent that?
Mastering the Zodiac with Athen Chimenti can you tell me how declination is taken into account?
Utc or longitude and latitude time
Doesn't the sky clock work better with a flat earth model?
Since person's born under Aries now still Carry the Aries characteristics how is it that the tropical astrology has shifted a whole sign and Aries is now Pisces according to sidereal astrology ? Can anyone explain ? Also the Uranus transits through Aries and Taurus people born under tropical Aries are feeling the effects according to tropical astrology predictions. How can this be explained since according to sidereal astrology Aries are pisces?
Tropical astrology feeds their ego, they will feel it if they say it
Thank you for doing this!!
Looking at a sidereal chart for the day March 22th AD 313 Sun was at 0 Aries and that was the year when era of Pisces actually started.
Year 313 AD is also known for Milan Edict, a year when Christianity was allowed. First Christian symbol was a Fish... Is this unintentional Tropical calculation fraud, somehow related to foggy and deceptive character of the Pisces era...?
Yeah I agree. The age of Pisces has been very much about deception and uncertainty. As well as spirituality and finding spiritual peace.
what era we would be in now ?
We're still in Pisces era. We'll enter Aqua in 2590.
Vesna Milošević which site did you calculate that from?
@@Athena-uy4eb It's from Astrodienst. Sidereal for date 22. march 2590 shows Sun on 0.03 degree Pisces. It could be couple of years here and there ...
That globe should have been spinning fast and tilted etc.
There is a common but massive misconception you repeat in your video: that the Tropical Zodiac originated with Ptolemy. This is inaccurate to say the least. Here's a good correction: www.sevenstarsastrology.com/how-old-is-the-tropical-zodiac/