Interesting project. I'm definitely interested in the progress you guys make. I would also love to see more documentation and projects that utilize Raspberry Pi Zeros and other lower power SBC's in "Bare Metal" mode. This could give us the "best of both worlds". You would have a higher performing device running a single application with "lower-ish" power consumption closer to that of microcontrollers. This would essentially turn an SBC into a higher powered microcontroller. Unfortunately, one function many SBCs are missing is DAC and ADC capability built in to the board. So a bare metal SBC project that needed these capabilities would need to utilize discrete external components. But that may be a reasonable tradeoff for some projects.
100% Agree both on bare metal (I am a huge fan of github.com/rsta2/circle) and the lack of audio. Feels like these "Smart Video Application Processors" fill the gap in some unexpected ways.
I feel like that would be a low lift, yah part of what I want is to find an embedded platform that can be trusted end-to-end without breaking the bank while still being user programmable. Its like one step closer to a pi than an esp32.
Since I ran into Matt Brown hacking his VStarcam CB73 wifi camera which also has a T31 chip, I came back to see if anything has progressed on the teacup. I've moved on to playing with the Milk-V Duo and the Parallax P2.
Lmao yes and labels 😂 also idk about you but I have a lot of small full size cards laying around and I figured you can always use an adapter for the mico ones. If you couldn't tell I personally really want to have two ... There is something about the two disk no hard drive w/ fallback ROM from the olden days that I think promoted tinkering.
@@hackerhomestead Yeah, one of the fond things I remember about my Amiga500. The floppy to hand interface was quite nice. I could do that blindfolded. Also booting from an unchanging ROM directly into a game was somethings I miss. The floppy on the Amiga was a huge improvement over the external floppy drive on the C128. Speed though....I don't remember it being so slow and annoying. Labels...now that is a thing that is really annoying about the microSD. They need to start printing qr codes on those things so we can have an app on the phone I can look that up with and add notes to in my phone or other qr-code reading device.
I've waited too long to reply to this ... I agree, we ran into a lot of decisions that we basically kicked down the road in the name of "yah but will this version even work at all". Technically there is sssooommmmeeee compatibility baked it since most pins are multi use as gpio. But I would not slap something on without testing... Also still working on actually testing all the gpio and functions since now we have some real boards ❤️
Built in rust support would be nice if thats ever of consideration on the roadmap, though with the recent trademark drama not sure if you could even say you did it if you did lol
lmao, Well we did discuss Rust ... and the project is open source so anybody can do whatever they want. But from a "core team" perspective atm we are lacking Rust experience to know if it can be used or not ... And by that I mean hey just about anything could be used when cross compiling, but the support I am talking about in the road-map means "field programmable". i.e. I can login to the device write and compile/run code on that same device including support and documentation for the device specific libraries like encoding, audio, LCD controller etc. One would assume that Rust can fit that bill but I just don't know enough about its build-chain to make the assertion.
@@xanthirus well your very welcome. This is a collaboration and I appreciate you commenting. Oh p.s. we did have someone join the discord server with some rust experience and a few others in the last day or two that are also interested. Your welcome to come join in ❤️
Your Tinkerboard sounds delicious, but even $100 is too rich for my blood. My best option is the cheapest OpenWRT compatible obsolete router you can find on E. Bay.... Or, if I'm really lucky with that OpenWRT compatibility - a router you found in somebody else's rubbish (garbage).
That's totally fair ... Since all these cameras were flooding the market I mainly wanted a reference design. What pains me is when embedded devices are locked down and not reusable... My delight is when we are able to repurpose existing hardware. From one perspective I feel like we have already taken so much out of the ground and spent so much energy on something... Let's not just throw it out like it's going to biodegrade or something 😂
Wow that totally made me sound like a tree hugging hippy... Like I said that's just One way to look at it ... The ability to retool and reuse has a lot of positive angles lol
Yep, I mispronounced it at least at the beginning. The phenomenon you are referring to is often called the "Erudite Mispronunciation" or the "Intellectual Mispronunciation". It describes cases where highly educated, intelligent individuals mispronounce words, despite their extensive knowledge and vocabulary. It's more common than you might think, brains are funny things 😉
I did know that the Wyze Cam v3 had it. But I wanted to be able to experiment with something vanilla that could be used in other projects too. Now with our first order of dev boards I should re-consider buying a Wyze cam though thanks for the reminder! Several of the folks on the Discord have other IPCameras with T31 & T40. Feel free to come join us!
Great video as usual. Look forward to the next video in the series.
So much info about the ingenic SoC I didn't know, very well explained
Really like your channel. Cannot wait to see how the plan for your Tinkerboard unfold further.
Neat that you mentioned the Ox64. I just got a few of those because they can be used as both a Linux SBC, and also as a microcontroller.
That's awesome! Join the discord or drop me an email and let me know how you like them.i haven't gotten my hands on any yet. handy@hackerhomestead.com
Interesting project. I'm definitely interested in the progress you guys make.
I would also love to see more documentation and projects that utilize Raspberry Pi Zeros and other lower power SBC's in "Bare Metal" mode. This could give us the "best of both worlds". You would have a higher performing device running a single application with "lower-ish" power consumption closer to that of microcontrollers. This would essentially turn an SBC into a higher powered microcontroller. Unfortunately, one function many SBCs are missing is DAC and ADC capability built in to the board. So a bare metal SBC project that needed these capabilities would need to utilize discrete external components. But that may be a reasonable tradeoff for some projects.
100% Agree both on bare metal (I am a huge fan of github.com/rsta2/circle) and the lack of audio. Feels like these "Smart Video Application Processors" fill the gap in some unexpected ways.
Would love to see this evolve into an open source video doorbell for Home Assistant.
I feel like that would be a low lift, yah part of what I want is to find an embedded platform that can be trusted end-to-end without breaking the bank while still being user programmable. Its like one step closer to a pi than an esp32.
Nice work
Thanks for your videos. Do you know of any listing for cameras that have this same board?
Thanks.
We have a community of folks that are tracking this and other cameras that are hackable
discord.gg/nxjvqgFQgJ
Since I ran into Matt Brown hacking his VStarcam CB73 wifi camera which also has a T31 chip, I came back to see if anything has progressed on the teacup. I've moved on to playing with the Milk-V Duo and the Parallax P2.
The community is still going but I had to shelve my work on it for the last year. Check out the discord.
750 subscribers nice ..! how did that happen ? .... sponsored ...... saying hello to your new AI overload ....
Did you choose the full size SDcard because it is more compatible with hands than microSD?
Lmao yes and labels 😂 also idk about you but I have a lot of small full size cards laying around and I figured you can always use an adapter for the mico ones. If you couldn't tell I personally really want to have two ... There is something about the two disk no hard drive w/ fallback ROM from the olden days that I think promoted tinkering.
@@hackerhomestead Yeah, one of the fond things I remember about my Amiga500. The floppy to hand interface was quite nice. I could do that blindfolded. Also booting from an unchanging ROM directly into a game was somethings I miss. The floppy on the Amiga was a huge improvement over the external floppy drive on the C128. Speed though....I don't remember it being so slow and annoying.
Labels...now that is a thing that is really annoying about the microSD. They need to start printing qr codes on those things so we can have an app on the phone I can look that up with and add notes to in my phone or other qr-code reading device.
Could be nice if the tinkerboard could be pin & formfactor compatible with RPi or Android...
I've waited too long to reply to this ... I agree, we ran into a lot of decisions that we basically kicked down the road in the name of "yah but will this version even work at all". Technically there is sssooommmmeeee compatibility baked it since most pins are multi use as gpio. But I would not slap something on without testing... Also still working on actually testing all the gpio and functions since now we have some real boards ❤️
Built in rust support would be nice if thats ever of consideration on the roadmap, though with the recent trademark drama not sure if you could even say you did it if you did lol
lmao, Well we did discuss Rust ... and the project is open source so anybody can do whatever they want. But from a "core team" perspective atm we are lacking Rust experience to know if it can be used or not ... And by that I mean hey just about anything could be used when cross compiling, but the support I am talking about in the road-map means "field programmable". i.e. I can login to the device write and compile/run code on that same device including support and documentation for the device specific libraries like encoding, audio, LCD controller etc. One would assume that Rust can fit that bill but I just don't know enough about its build-chain to make the assertion.
@@hackerhomestead I think this is the first time I have ever had a youtube comment that explained things as completely as you did before. Thank you.
@@xanthirus well your very welcome. This is a collaboration and I appreciate you commenting. Oh p.s. we did have someone join the discord server with some rust experience and a few others in the last day or two that are also interested. Your welcome to come join in ❤️
❤RTOS, hate when it ROTS. 😂
Was it an Easter egg or did I rush it out the door? Or both? 🤔🤔🤔❤️
Your Tinkerboard sounds delicious, but even $100 is too rich for my blood. My best option is the cheapest OpenWRT compatible obsolete router you can find on E. Bay.... Or, if I'm really lucky with that OpenWRT compatibility - a router you found in somebody else's rubbish (garbage).
That's totally fair ... Since all these cameras were flooding the market I mainly wanted a reference design. What pains me is when embedded devices are locked down and not reusable... My delight is when we are able to repurpose existing hardware. From one perspective I feel like we have already taken so much out of the ground and spent so much energy on something... Let's not just throw it out like it's going to biodegrade or something 😂
Wow that totally made me sound like a tree hugging hippy... Like I said that's just One way to look at it ... The ability to retool and reuse has a lot of positive angles lol
fix label ... not Mirco .........
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Odd. You choose your spoken words carefully but ignore glaring typos. Must be an "i don't care" thing.
It's a dyslexic/dysgraphia thing tbh
Please say Ingenic not Ingeneric ... driving me nuts!
Good news is now it drives me nuts too! I have it corrected in my brain now lol
why on earth is this person pronouncing the word as "in-gen-er-ic" when it is spelled "in-gen-ic"? very strange
Yep, I mispronounced it at least at the beginning. The phenomenon you are referring to is often called the "Erudite Mispronunciation" or the "Intellectual Mispronunciation". It describes cases where highly educated, intelligent individuals mispronounce words, despite their extensive knowledge and vocabulary. It's more common than you might think, brains are funny things 😉
all from that web cam u got root with in the other vid if so OMFG wow nice
Interesting project! Just wanted to let you know there's a readily available platform to play with ingenic t31: Wyze Cam v3
I did know that the Wyze Cam v3 had it. But I wanted to be able to experiment with something vanilla that could be used in other projects too. Now with our first order of dev boards I should re-consider buying a Wyze cam though thanks for the reminder! Several of the folks on the Discord have other IPCameras with T31 & T40. Feel free to come join us!