Poor Mannock, he never got the chance to use the revolver.He died in his nightmares of being burnt alive.He died as a hero. SALUTE!!! to one of the most greatest aces of all time.
So similar in some ways to the death of Richtofen. An inexplicable loss of the caution that kept them alive for so long in that deadly environment. Perhaps being responsible for that much carnage finally causes a kind of "I have to be in line" notion below the level of day to day awareness.
I'm pretty sure that most stories say that Edward Mick Mannock was credited with 73 kills by the time of his death even though some say 61, quite a difference ? This was another great video made BTW. It's nice to see people using correct background music for these types of genre.
Mick Mannock is my hero, what a story, love the bid, good work, what i would give to have a go in an SE5 and feel what it was like to be an airman of the day, concrete respect to all the pilots, undoubtedly you needed nerves of steel. RIP Mannock.
I quite agree, those pilots were extremely brave. To think that life expectancy was one week yet some survived the whole war! Well done Sirgisbod, this has helped me a lot with my ww1 rememberance project!
I've just read King of Air Fighters by Ira Jones, who flew with him and knew him well. Fascinating story about a complex and troubled soul. He was clearly suffering from what is now acknowledged as PTSD and should have been rested or sent back to Home Establishment as an instructor. Very sad to read his own fears in his letters home. But what an inspirational character. Impressive video, too.
Excellent and very well put together video. I recognise the detail of research from the Documentary "World War 1 Aces Falling" which was a superb Documentary. Your video brings the story to life and the RoF game engine has impressed me too, as-well as your Film-Making/Editing skills. Very well done, great feature. Cheers, Mysticpuma
Excellent video! My congratulations. I've just finished reading Lt. Colonel William A. "Billy" Bishop's memoirs Winged Warfare as well as Alexander McKee's The Friendless Sky- an excellent overview of the air war in W W I in which Mannock's death is covered.
sirgisbod thanks for posting this video about about Mick, I know speculation had him listed as knocking down 73 enemy planes but some credited him with 61 kills. nevertheless he was a great fighter pilot and hated the hun. I remember reading as a child in the 60's that Mick lied about his eye sight covering the same eye twice being that he was blind in the other and in the confusion to the testers he passed the test. Can you imagine what he could have done with 2 good eyes? :)
I keep asking myself that over and over again, too. My grandpa was flying with another pilot who had already 45 kills on his credit until one day, while battling the RAF over the English Channel, that fellow went low over a British destroyer and the ship´s AAA took him apart. Grandpa described him being a joyful, happy man and a father of 3 ("4th already laid down") - so why the heck did he do that? Peace!
The German records do indicate that Mannock was buried at Butter Lane. Unfortunately the trench map reference that they provided does not correspond with that of the British airman at Laventie. The British MoD has rejected the evidence so it is highly unlikely that there will be a positive outcome.
Several pilots included the ace Francesco baracca was against the use of incendiary bullets (on the planes machine guns) since they saw enemies burn alive. Personally I think is a way like another to do war, but at the time many pilots disliked incendiary bullets..
There is another video on you tube about film director Peter Jackson in New Zealand finding a old WW1 aircraft 100 years old and in the wing was a pencil sketch of Mannock an amazing story ,In the video Peter was asking who the man in the sketch is there is no doubt it is Mannock look up the video an amazing story
Mannock´s body "officially LOST" but "found 250 yards away from the crash"!? I don´t get it. Was it lost or found? Found lost? Lost found? If he was scared of burning alive but his body was found away from his plane´s wreck, all that I can think of is that he somehow escaped his plane and, deadly wounded, ran away until he died those 250 yards away from his plane, but this death seems to me almost as mysterious as that of the Red Baron...
Mannock was buried by the Germans but the grave was badly marked. After the war his body was never positively identified. As well, after the war Mannock's brother received a package from Germany containing some money and personal effects taken from his body, and which would probably have contained a note saying where the body was buried and other valuable information. But his brother burned the package, saying it was "too black, too black".
@@jamesfarrell5430 James, I know what you mean. I hate war as much as you do. But get me right: I didn't say that I admire Mick for killing sixty enemies.
Brave young Men killing each other over old mens ambitions. You can get a young Man to do a lot based on ideas. I don't think they are given nearly the credit they deserve.
Very good video. Although I tend to believe that luck is probably just as important as skill in WW1 air combat, (as in most combat) Micky must certainly be considered one of the greats.
Rene Fonck had 75 kills, the second highest in the war. Taken the time he was flying he had the highest ratio by far. Also he had around 140 unconfirmed victories, and if only a third of those were his, he was actually the top ace of the war. Not a very nice guy, more likely a self obsessed narcissist, but he understood what the air was all about and took a pragmatic approach to it. You're thinking about Billy Bishop btw. He had 72 victories.
some belive that he was burried by the Germans near one of their own cemeteries and dosent have a grave there is a record of a se5 pilot with the same crash state as him being burried near the same cemetery that the dfw pilot and gunner were burried in there is now a surch for the real body of mancok
@17MrLeon Parachutes were considered cowardly by the pilots and their superiors alike. Parachutes were not issued to the pilots until 1919, the year after the war ended. After all, the thinking was that parachutes would only encourage pilots to jump out of planes that were on fire or otherwise heavily damaged rather than trying to get the planes back on the ground. So if you had bailed during the war you would have been squished as flat as a pancake, since you weren't given a parachute.
Wrong insignia on the German planes on the day of Mannock's death. By that time (July 1918) , the black crosses on the German planes should have straight edges.
Wasn't that a reenactment?! So they weren't precised, about getting everything exact. I cried watching this chips/videos. It saddens me to know Our Children today in America are missing so much of Our history and history period.
You know, Fonck could as well lie about his unconfirmed kills - If he really HAD that many kills to his credit, he would practically wipe out German presence in his sector. It's a typical thing for 'Celebrities' - And Fonck certainly was one, even though he never went Balloon Busting, which was said to be the most dangerous mission.
Mick Mannock is the one pilot I can say with absolute conviction deserved to die. Unlike his compatriots, he delighted in getting "flamers" and killing his opponents in the most brutal way possible. He would celebrate every plane he lit and sent plunging to a fiery death. Just to prove karma is a bitch, his plane is reported to have caught an engine fire when he was shot down. That way the flames hit the cockpit almost instantly.
I think you may be wrong about Mannock. There are plenty of accounts of how traumatized he was by his experiences and I believe the only way he could force himself to keep flying was to constantly 'stoke up' his hatred of the enemy. To admit the slightest feeling of sympathy for those he killed would have risked sudden and complete mental collapse. So in that respect he was perhaps the most human of the WW1 aces, and perhaps the bravest -- terrified whenever he went up but relentlessly driving himself on.
This isn't completely correct. The Germans issued parachutes to their airmen towards the end of the war. The British, of course, continued to clink to the notion that chutes should not be sanctioned as they might encourage cowardice in the face of the enemy. Needless to say, many brave young guys died horrible deaths for no good purpose at all. Sickening but that's the truth of it!
Poor Mannock, he never got the chance to use the revolver.He died in his nightmares of being burnt alive.He died as a hero. SALUTE!!! to one of the most greatest aces of all time.
I aporeciate the amount of work that goes inti these. Pity its been 9 years sibce these were uploaded.
Once again, you have proven to be an expert at creating not only historically accurate videos, but equally beautiful ones as well.
Thanks for sharing.
Wow... that was moving.
I loved your Voss and von Richthofen videos, but this is, in my opinion, your best work so far. Keep up the great work!
These videos are far superior to almost any WW1 aerial fight sequence in film...thanks for these!
I really liked the historical aspect of this video. Great views and camera work mate. Cheers!
Very touching. Thanks for uploading it.
So similar in some ways to the death of Richtofen. An inexplicable loss of the caution that kept them alive for so long in that deadly environment. Perhaps being responsible for that much carnage finally causes a kind of "I have to be in line" notion below the level of day to day awareness.
imagine being Inglis, in his best day ever to fly with an ace and getting his first kill just to end in the worst day ever.
Are you planning to make additional The Death of.." videos?
They are just superb in every aspect.
Beautiful work. Thank you so much for this.
I'm pretty sure that most stories say that Edward Mick Mannock was credited with 73 kills by the time of his death even though some say 61, quite a difference ? This was another great video made BTW. It's nice to see people using correct background music for these types of genre.
he had 61
Mick Mannock is my hero, what a story, love the bid, good work, what i would give to have a go in an SE5 and feel what it was like to be an airman of the day, concrete respect to all the pilots, undoubtedly you needed nerves of steel. RIP Mannock.
leon130384 mine is Saburo Sakae and McCalley in pearl harbour
I quite agree, those pilots were extremely brave. To think that life expectancy was one week yet some survived the whole war! Well done Sirgisbod, this has helped me a lot with my ww1 rememberance project!
I read about him when I was 13. He was, and still is, my hero.
I've just read King of Air Fighters by Ira Jones, who flew with him and knew him well. Fascinating story about a complex and troubled soul. He was clearly suffering from what is now acknowledged as PTSD and should have been rested or sent back to Home Establishment as an instructor. Very sad to read his own fears in his letters home. But what an inspirational character. Impressive video, too.
R.I.P all airmen who fought in the great war.
Excellent and very well put together video. I recognise the detail of research from the Documentary "World War 1 Aces Falling" which was a superb Documentary.
Your video brings the story to life and the RoF game engine has impressed me too, as-well as your Film-Making/Editing skills.
Very well done, great feature. Cheers, Mysticpuma
sadly his body was never found and is only listed on the RFC memorial along with other guys who were never identified
Excellent video! My congratulations. I've just finished reading Lt. Colonel William A. "Billy" Bishop's memoirs Winged Warfare as well as Alexander McKee's The Friendless Sky- an excellent overview of the air war in W W I in which Mannock's death is covered.
sirgisbod thanks for posting this video about about Mick, I know speculation had him listed as knocking down 73 enemy planes but some credited him with 61 kills. nevertheless he was a great fighter pilot and hated the hun. I remember reading as a child in the 60's that Mick lied about his eye sight covering the same eye twice being that he was blind in the other and in the confusion to the testers he passed the test. Can you imagine what he could have done with 2 good eyes? :)
I keep asking myself that over and over again, too.
My grandpa was flying with another pilot who had already 45 kills on his credit until one day, while battling the RAF over the English Channel, that fellow went low over a British destroyer and the ship´s AAA took him apart.
Grandpa described him being a joyful, happy man and a father of 3 ("4th already laid down") - so why the heck did he do that?
Peace!
KrautGoesWild likely he viewed death as inevitable and tried waiting
The German records do indicate that Mannock was buried at Butter Lane. Unfortunately
the trench map reference that they provided does not correspond with that of the British airman at Laventie. The British MoD has rejected the evidence so it is highly unlikely
that there will be a positive outcome.
Several pilots included the ace Francesco baracca was against the use of incendiary bullets (on the planes machine guns) since they saw enemies burn alive. Personally I think is a way like another to do war, but at the time many pilots disliked incendiary bullets..
Both von Richtofen and Mannock disobeyed their own cardinal rule of not following their doomed prey down to low altitude, and both died as a result.
what was the song name you used at 2:09
The flying aces of WW1 are in my opinion very overlooked and underrate. Unbelievable what some of them achieved and with pure skill and courage.
'Sizzle sizzle, wonk" was Mannocks' expression of all the German aviators he sent down in flames.
Well done, fine sir! That was great, especially liked the end, it was heart breaking.
Great video!!
There is another video on you tube about film director Peter Jackson in New Zealand finding a old WW1 aircraft 100 years old and in the wing was a pencil sketch of Mannock an amazing story ,In the video Peter was asking who the man in the sketch is there is no doubt it is Mannock look up the video an amazing story
Mannock´s body "officially LOST" but "found 250 yards away from the crash"!? I don´t get it. Was it lost or found? Found lost? Lost found? If he was scared of burning alive but his body was found away from his plane´s wreck, all that I can think of is that he somehow escaped his plane and, deadly wounded, ran away until he died those 250 yards away from his plane, but this death seems to me almost as mysterious as that of the Red Baron...
Mannock was buried by the Germans but the grave was badly marked. After the war his body was never positively identified. As well, after the war Mannock's brother received a package from Germany containing some money and personal effects taken from his body, and which would probably have contained a note saying where the body was buried and other valuable information. But his brother burned the package, saying it was "too black, too black".
The aircraft he escapes from might easily have carried on that far before impact.
Actually for the German recon plane... shouldn'y they have escort for a mission like this?
I've heard that he hated it when he got a flamer, but history is a tricky thing. You can never tell what's true or not.
Planning to do Max Immelmann's death, too?
I have always admired Mick for overcoming his fears...
And isn't it a damned shame that it cost Germany more than sixty airman to help him "get over it"?
@@jamesfarrell5430 James, I know what you mean. I hate war as much as you do. But get me right: I didn't say that I admire Mick for killing sixty enemies.
Brave young Men killing each other over old mens ambitions. You can get a young Man to do a lot based on ideas. I don't think they are given nearly the credit they deserve.
Oh well... if I must choose... I think it's better to be killed over other men's ambitions than under them... Ain't it right, fellow?
Young men also have bloodlust more so than older men. Testosterone plays a role.
@@scottgoodman8993 D'you think that young ladies don't have a genuine taste for bloodbaths?
@@scottgoodman8993 Young men have ideals, they're not cynical.
Nicely done! good storytelling.
how do you get those camera angles out?
Anhören
Wow loved it!
How do you follow the planes like that?
and still look at others.
These are so good.
Very good video. Although I tend to believe that luck is probably just as important as skill in WW1 air combat, (as in most combat) Micky must certainly be considered one of the greats.
absolutely love your videos ima subscribe somthing i dont do often
Fascinating. Mannock had a moment of madness which cost him his life.
thats only part of the story..the reason he had such hate was because of his treatment as a pow before he became a pilot..
Rene Fonck had 75 kills, the second highest in the war. Taken the time he was flying he had the highest ratio by far.
Also he had around 140 unconfirmed victories, and if only a third of those were his, he was actually the top ace of the war.
Not a very nice guy, more likely a self obsessed narcissist, but he understood what the air was all about and took a pragmatic approach to it.
You're thinking about Billy Bishop btw. He had 72 victories.
such a good video!!
We should not forget these people who lost their lives for us for starting new era
i have seen James mccuddens grave in wavens war cemetery France. The most isolated location for a ww1 cemetry i would say.
Two people got burned alive. Great work, Sirgisbod!
some belive that he was burried by the Germans near one of their own cemeteries and dosent have a grave
there is a record of a se5 pilot with the same crash state as him being burried near the same cemetery that the dfw pilot and gunner were burried in there is now a surch for the real body of mancok
42nd killl. wasn't that 38th, actually?
@17MrLeon Parachutes were considered cowardly by the pilots and their superiors alike. Parachutes were not issued to the pilots until 1919, the year after the war ended. After all, the thinking was that parachutes would only encourage pilots to jump out of planes that were on fire or otherwise heavily damaged rather than trying to get the planes back on the ground. So if you had bailed during the war you would have been squished as flat as a pancake, since you weren't given a parachute.
Pretty ironic considering Udet himself would have flattened that time his was sent down in flames...
Wrong insignia on the German planes on the day of Mannock's death. By that time (July 1918) , the black crosses on the German planes should have straight edges.
older plans had the older insignia
Not really. The insignia would have been repainted.
No Maltese crosses at this timeline.
The Mick, truly the King of the Airfighters!
Wasn't that a reenactment?! So they weren't precised, about getting everything exact. I cried watching this chips/videos. It saddens me to know Our Children today in America are missing so much of Our history and history period.
Good looking man, so young.
They shall not grow old.
"They killed my Major!" : Donald Inglis.
Whars A parachute??
Brilliant and well done.
Poor Schöpf.
Why is it that most of the great aces actually GOT Themselves Killed?
Well done. So many brave airmen died. I think many were in too long and should have been pulled to teach. Like what Mannock did here with this rookie.
Awesome!
Too bad to mannock..he's not noble airfighter he's damn micks
poor manock
You know, Fonck could as well lie about his unconfirmed kills - If he really HAD that many kills to his credit, he would practically wipe out German presence in his sector.
It's a typical thing for 'Celebrities' - And Fonck certainly was one, even though he never went Balloon Busting, which was said to be the most dangerous mission.
Salute !
Mick Mannock is the one pilot I can say with absolute conviction deserved to die. Unlike his compatriots, he delighted in getting "flamers" and killing his opponents in the most brutal way possible. He would celebrate every plane he lit and sent plunging to a fiery death.
Just to prove karma is a bitch, his plane is reported to have caught an engine fire when he was shot down. That way the flames hit the cockpit almost instantly.
I think you may be wrong about Mannock. There are plenty of accounts of how traumatized he was by his experiences and I believe the only way he could force himself to keep flying was to constantly 'stoke up' his hatred of the enemy. To admit the slightest feeling of sympathy for those he killed would have risked sudden and complete mental collapse. So in that respect he was perhaps the most human of the WW1 aces, and perhaps the bravest -- terrified whenever he went up but relentlessly driving himself on.
Another Hollywood version of history event.
This isn't completely correct. The Germans issued parachutes to their airmen towards the end of the war. The British, of course, continued to clink to the notion that chutes should not be sanctioned as they might encourage cowardice in the face of the enemy. Needless to say, many brave young guys died horrible deaths for no good purpose at all. Sickening but that's the truth of it!
It's a good thing Germany allowed parachutes or else even Udet would not have survived.
@aaronzack14 I would have bigger feel of burning and surving it. I would not have the guts to shoot my self but I would bail out
Die Englander!!...er...great filmmaking....thx
Lol its like cessna 172's at war lol
Do some DNA tracing!!!