I am the subject of an attack by vegetarian zealots who advocate free speech . That is as long as you dont disagree with the narrative. I suggest you throw away your copy of the Guardian and your EU berets and flags. Put the Lynda McCartney sausages back in the freezer and embrace Nigel Farrage. You are all pro EU farming guidelines, however you can see the protests in Belgium, Germany, Holland and France by farmers regarding the guidelines. Happy 4th Brexit anniversary.
With huge respect for Prof. Spector, and thanks to him for airing his views, for a very long time I have instinctively known, like many other people I am sure, that organic food is healthier without the need for nutritionists to tell me that! But the problem is the PRICE if you are not very well off, especially with the current general 'cost of living crisis, at least in the UK anyway! The cost of an organic chicken is TWICE (about £8 in the cheapest supermarkets) than a non-organic one (£4ish), and the non-organic is already about 35% dearer than it used to be about 2 years ago anyway. So what's to do if you have a limited budget. I already, for a good few years, use only organic for some items, but can't afford to make all items organic! Unfortunately also since the idiots, the gullible, and the devious in the UK voted for Brexit, some protection that we used to have for food standards under EU are now being systematically and quietly removed as well, and the food is becoming as unhealthy as it is in the US, thanks to a government here which is in the pocket of the big business profiteers,... just like the US government is.
The thing is that we are not conscious of the price anymore. If an organic chicken cost 2x more it’s because it takes 2x more for a (normal) chicken to be raised. We are so used to use meat everyday 🤔 What someone can do is eat more legumes and eat the chicken once a week and then make stock with the carcass. When you see the blue zones they don’t consume much meat. But next to that what is horrible is that junk food costs nothing…. So we are even not talking organic vs “conventional” veggies but junk … and that’s a pity.
So which food guidelines have been quietly removed? The answer is none. Just another opportunity for a bitter remoner to have a go. Get over it, you lost!!
Actually since Brexit the UK has failed to ban 36 different pesticides that are now forbidden in the EU. Although it should be noted that thirty of these chemicals were still permitted within the EU at the time of the UK leaving. The other six chemicals were approved by the UK since Brexit but not by the EU.
My grandmother had Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma over 20 years ago (she liked to garden and used pesticides) and at the time was given 3 months to live by her doctors. My aunt, her daughter, put her on a diet that she researched, which involved certain mushroom extracts. My grandma also went to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas and did not eat a lot of meat (glyphosate/glutamine issues, I think). Her cancer eventually went into remission and 20 years later, she kept up with her nutrition. Contrast with my father, who had different cancers for 20 years and died during a hip transplant due to kidney failure. Poor diet and listening to doctors that were not educated on proper nutrition or diabetes other than handing out prescription medication. Some doctors/surgeons made a lot of money off my father's illnesses. Sad that he used to tell me to make sure to pay for the best health insurance I could find. Health decisions and organic (grass fed/grass finished) is important. Longevity does not always equate being healthy.
On persistent chemicals as well as pesticides - I donate plasma and platelets routinely. starting over 2 years ago I've donated about 7 plasma volumes. A side effect is that my burden of persistent chemicals goes down (a lot) over time, per at least one study. This may not affect of pesticides on the microbiome though as this happens in the gut prior to transport across the intestinal wall.
I couldn't afford organic. Inflation has pushed me out of the market. In the UK the wealthy live longer than the poor and this is another step towards that division.
I would like to eat all organic fruit and veg but the cost prevents me. As for growing my own with the unpredictable weather its not easy. That and the number of slugs who attack my veg.
I know how you feel about the slugs. I'm growing my own veg . Some companion plants can help with pest control. I'm no expert but follow a couple of youtubers . Charles Dowding, Huw Richards and grow veg. There's hundreds of others, obviously. Good luck with your garden.
Where do youbuy allthese organic fruit and veg? Most supernarkets only stock one or two types and theyre way more expensive. I buy organic broccoli- it tastes betterand laets longer- but I dont think Ive ever seen an organic pepper, or corgette!
If I recall rightly Tim has said that he buys from his local greengrocer You can buy organic veg boxes delivered weekly/bi-weekly. The one that I use has organic peppers grown in Spain this week
in london there are several weekly farmers markets, some of the stalls are organic veg with a wide variety of produce available. i buy entirely organic ... i don't trust any supermarket organic vegetables, i prefer to be able to actually talk to the farmer or at least someone who works on the actual farm.
Hey @Zoe. Is there a place where people can share or submit interesting recipes with lentils, fermented food and plant based recipes that are not popular but tasty?
I realy do need a great book with all kinds of quick recipes that can be done perhapes in part so I can do some of it night befor some in morning and some when back from work for my family so I'm not tempted by processed foods
It is an important conversation to have and also important to put the additional risk of consuming pesticides in context and notbscaremonger. Now apply the same contextual balance to the associative increased relative risk of eating of red meat and cancer and stop scaremongering about that.
Both the seller and the product will have an organic certification number on display at point of sale and are fully audited annually .If you think you are being conned contact trading standards .Best of all know the person who feeds you and your family by dealing direct .
For daily blueberry consumption, now would you decide between fresh organic blueberries or frozen non organic (which will be freshly frozen and not flown around the globe!) . The blueberries won’t be grown traditionally in either case. 🤷♀️.
I have a friend who lives in rural Virginia. His road is on the downhill side of a field where they've been rotating mono-cropped, "Roundup Ready" corn and soy. Everyone on that road is on well water. EVERY FEMALE on the road came down with oddball cancers. The owner of the farm just died last spring from an agressive liver cancer. Fruits and veg are one thing, grain crops are another. Nutrient density surrounding TRUE Regenerative practices is not a myth. Polyphenols are another issue entirely. Pull up the graphed rates of chronic kidney disease juxtaposed against the graph of Glyphosate use. They parellel each other exactly. Autism, cancers...same same. When we finally break the death grip of corporate malfesence history will show that Glyphosate was the DDT of our age.
@@ChrisLambert-Yngvegodi Yea, well, simply wrong and it's showing up in court more and more. Multi-million judgements and it's going to keep going. I'm in medicine and I see what's happening first hand.
Same thing with Agent Orange (and Agent Blue, which results in late stage Type II diabetis and stroke). They fought it for decades...but it caught up to them.
I noticed that organic food is also sometimes much more flavorful. I buy these locally grown carrots from Chi Farms and they are so fabulous. I have bought organic carrots from a large commercial grower and they completely lack flavor so even some organic products from large growers are not very good. It must have to do with the soil they are grown in. I also love localWashington grown honey crisp apples because of their fabulous flavor and crispness..
If you grow your own back-yard veggies, they develop with the same circadian pattern as the gardener. Hypothesis: These home-grown foods are more copacetic with the growers microbiome. Can this be tested? Is this a dumb or smart question to ask?
Kind of interesting idea .plants rhythms are set by the sun and moon and nearby planets .we set our own as an act of will and age .so the answer is probably “not a viable question “but you may be able to find a link similar to that of certain bacterium and their consumer .
Glyphosate is in all conventional grains in the US (even if not a gmo crop as it is now sprayed on crops at harvest to dry them out and can’t be washed off), as well as sugar sources, which goes into processed foods and is fed to livestock, so everyone eating non organic is getting a daily dose of glyphosate, not just fruit and vegetable eaters.
1:06 'I am going to go back to my meat and saturated fat (news flash: it's a healthy fat that is less prone to oxidation. It's 2024) diet, so I can avoid all of these horrible risks like you are talking about right, Tim, like cancer?' 'No. (Laughs)'. What might be giggle inducing to you might be life-saving to others in more ways than one. Come on, guys :(. For those interested, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) in the United States is a non-profit organization run by activists who have online consumer guides covering man-made toxins in our food and environment. They get bombarded by criticisms from Big Food/Ag (just look at their wiki) but they have been around since the 90's and are still going strong, but they could always use support!
@@semi-mojo mechanistic Citation needed*. Walter Willett or Christopher Gardner level evidence won't cut it (I can be a silly willy with correlations and say ridiculous things like red meat causes diabetes, too), but an explanation of why Ron Krauss, Gerald Reavan, or hell even Matt Budoff are wrong would be genuinely welcomed. I really mean that; if this isn't a troll, why do you believe that statement?
I buy a mixture. I don’t worry about say swedes, carrots or different potatoes if I’m mashing or peeling and roasting but cabbage, kale and things with skin that I eat, I get organic
You guys could AT LEAST provide evidence to support several confusing claims: 1. The link between glyphosate and cancer is highly controversial to say the least - you could at least cite the controversy created by the IARC which is widely known to anybody who performed an even cursory review of the evidence. 2. What's the evidence that eating organic foods will improve health outcomes when compared to a diet that adheres to international guidelines, guidelines which highlight the importance of fruits and vegetables (among other things)? Is there in fact any evidence of this, and if there is such evidence, what is the gain in healthspan and lower mortality? Why would anybody choose organic foods, given who costly it is to eat 1Kg/day in fruits/veggies (as suggested by more than one national dietary guideline)? These are not side questions. They go to the core of what's reported in the video.
Watch the full episode here: th-cam.com/video/E4nJ07_02NQ/w-d-xo.html
I am the subject of an attack by vegetarian zealots who advocate free speech . That is as long as you dont disagree with the narrative. I suggest you throw away your copy of the Guardian and your EU berets and flags. Put the Lynda McCartney sausages back in the freezer and embrace Nigel Farrage. You are all pro EU farming guidelines, however you can see the protests in Belgium, Germany, Holland and France by farmers regarding the guidelines. Happy 4th Brexit anniversary.
With huge respect for Prof. Spector, and thanks to him for airing his views, for a very long time I have instinctively known, like many other people I am sure, that organic food is healthier without the need for nutritionists to tell me that! But the problem is the PRICE if you are not very well off, especially with the current general 'cost of living crisis, at least in the UK anyway! The cost of an organic chicken is TWICE (about £8 in the cheapest supermarkets) than a non-organic one (£4ish), and the non-organic is already about 35% dearer than it used to be about 2 years ago anyway. So what's to do if you have a limited budget. I already, for a good few years, use only organic for some items, but can't afford to make all items organic! Unfortunately also since the idiots, the gullible, and the devious in the UK voted for Brexit, some protection that we used to have for food standards under EU are now being systematically and quietly removed as well, and the food is becoming as unhealthy as it is in the US, thanks to a government here which is in the pocket of the big business profiteers,... just like the US government is.
The thing is that we are not conscious of the price anymore. If an organic chicken cost 2x more it’s because it takes 2x more for a (normal) chicken to be raised.
We are so used to use meat everyday 🤔
What someone can do is eat more legumes and eat the chicken once a week and then make stock with the carcass. When you see the blue zones they don’t consume much meat.
But next to that what is horrible is that junk food costs nothing…. So we are even not talking organic vs “conventional” veggies but junk … and that’s a pity.
So which food guidelines have been quietly removed? The answer is none. Just another opportunity for a bitter remoner to have a go. Get over it, you lost!!
@@nudger5 You've lost as well, but obviously just can't see it, or don't want to see it perhaps? too much in the bubble of daily hate, gb news,....?
Actually since Brexit the UK has failed to ban 36 different pesticides that are now forbidden in the EU. Although it should be noted that thirty of these chemicals were still permitted within the EU at the time of the UK leaving. The other six chemicals were approved by the UK since Brexit but not by the EU.
@@nudger5 google 'government waters down the food standards'
My grandmother had Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma over 20 years ago (she liked to garden and used pesticides) and at the time was given 3 months to live by her doctors. My aunt, her daughter, put her on a diet that she researched, which involved certain mushroom extracts. My grandma also went to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas and did not eat a lot of meat (glyphosate/glutamine issues, I think). Her cancer eventually went into remission and 20 years later, she kept up with her nutrition. Contrast with my father, who had different cancers for 20 years and died during a hip transplant due to kidney failure. Poor diet and listening to doctors that were not educated on proper nutrition or diabetes other than handing out prescription medication. Some doctors/surgeons made a lot of money off my father's illnesses. Sad that he used to tell me to make sure to pay for the best health insurance I could find. Health decisions and organic (grass fed/grass finished) is important. Longevity does not always equate being healthy.
On persistent chemicals as well as pesticides - I donate plasma and platelets routinely. starting over 2 years ago I've donated about 7 plasma volumes. A side effect is that my burden of persistent chemicals goes down (a lot) over time, per at least one study. This may not affect of pesticides on the microbiome though as this happens in the gut prior to transport across the intestinal wall.
I couldn't afford organic. Inflation has pushed me out of the market. In the UK the wealthy live longer than the poor and this is another step towards that division.
I would like to eat all organic fruit and veg but the cost prevents me. As for growing my own with the unpredictable weather its not easy. That and the number of slugs who attack my veg.
You choose where you spend your money and your time.with eating organic you get a return on your investment .
I know how you feel about the slugs. I'm growing my own veg . Some companion plants can help with pest control. I'm no expert but follow a couple of youtubers . Charles Dowding, Huw Richards and grow veg. There's hundreds of others, obviously. Good luck with your garden.
I've found beer traps work well and the slugs die happy!
And salt stops slugs..
@@Tracertmethat’s a horrific way to deal with slugs. Please ignore this.
Where do youbuy allthese organic fruit and veg? Most supernarkets only stock one or two types and theyre way more expensive. I buy organic broccoli- it tastes betterand laets longer- but I dont think Ive ever seen an organic pepper, or corgette!
If I recall rightly Tim has said that he buys from his local greengrocer
You can buy organic veg boxes delivered weekly/bi-weekly. The one that I use has organic peppers grown in Spain this week
It depends where you live. With major cities it is probably easier. You can do a lot with containers to grow your own.
Eat seasonally and shop locally .
in london there are several weekly farmers markets, some of the stalls are organic veg with a wide variety of produce available. i buy entirely organic ... i don't trust any supermarket organic vegetables, i prefer to be able to actually talk to the farmer or at least someone who works on the actual farm.
What effect is the Bayer fine for Roundup causing cancer having on use of Roundup resistant crops (soya etc). Are we all at risk from soy millk etc?
Hey @Zoe. Is there a place where people can share or submit interesting recipes with lentils, fermented food and plant based recipes that are not popular but tasty?
I realy do need a great book with all kinds of quick recipes that can be done perhapes in part so I can do some of it night befor some in morning and some when back from work for my family so I'm not tempted by processed foods
It is an important conversation to have and also important to put the additional risk of consuming pesticides in context and notbscaremonger. Now apply the same contextual balance to the associative increased relative risk of eating of red meat and cancer and stop scaremongering about that.
Do saunas sweat out pesticides herbicides etc ?
How can the parts of plants that are designed to be dangerous to insects and animals be good for human animals?
There is a long gap between insect and animal as there is between un palatable and dangerous . The plants he was speaking of are domesticated .
How can consumers guarantee that Organic foods on sale ARE actually Organic and not just more expensive, non-organic foods sold for extra profit?
there are independent certifiers
Both the seller and the product will have an organic certification number on display at point of sale and are fully audited annually .If you think you are being conned contact trading standards .Best of all know the person who feeds you and your family by dealing direct .
Can you wash stuff in hydrogen peroxide to get rid of pesticides
I'd love to see future episodes where they confront people who claim benefits to the things Zoe is against.
Glycophate is in wheat , bread, etc ?
Yes amongst other things?
For daily blueberry consumption, now would you decide between fresh organic blueberries or frozen non organic (which will be freshly frozen and not flown around the globe!) . The blueberries won’t be grown traditionally in either case. 🤷♀️.
I have a friend who lives in rural Virginia. His road is on the downhill side of a field where they've been rotating mono-cropped, "Roundup Ready" corn and soy. Everyone on that road is on well water. EVERY FEMALE on the road came down with oddball cancers. The owner of the farm just died last spring from an agressive liver cancer.
Fruits and veg are one thing, grain crops are another. Nutrient density surrounding TRUE Regenerative practices is not a myth. Polyphenols are another issue entirely.
Pull up the graphed rates of chronic kidney disease juxtaposed against the graph of Glyphosate use. They parellel each other exactly. Autism, cancers...same same.
When we finally break the death grip of corporate malfesence history will show that Glyphosate was the DDT of our age.
In this full original discussion he said that there is no scientific evidence that glyphosate is harmful.
@@ChrisLambert-Yngvegodi Yea, well, simply wrong and it's showing up in court more and more. Multi-million judgements and it's going to keep going.
I'm in medicine and I see what's happening first hand.
@@Mis-AdventureCH no scientific evidence. You actually need to read the studies and not spout myths
@@ChrisLambert-Yngvegodi So trusting of the corporate oligarchy. Bless your heart.
You'll see.....
Same thing with Agent Orange (and Agent Blue, which results in late stage Type II diabetis and stroke). They fought it for decades...but it caught up to them.
I noticed that organic food is also sometimes much more flavorful. I buy these locally grown carrots from Chi Farms and they are so fabulous. I have bought organic carrots from a large commercial grower and they completely lack flavor so even some organic products from large growers are not very good. It must have to do with the soil they are grown in. I also love localWashington grown honey crisp apples because of their fabulous flavor and crispness..
Some organic growers follow regenerative practices, some follow a more industrial style farming. There is a massive difference in end product
If you grow your own back-yard veggies, they develop with the same circadian pattern as the gardener. Hypothesis: These home-grown foods are more copacetic with the growers microbiome. Can this be tested? Is this a dumb or smart question to ask?
Kind of interesting idea .plants rhythms are set by the sun and moon and nearby planets .we set our own as an act of will and age .so the answer is probably “not a viable question “but you may be able to find a link similar to that of certain bacterium and their consumer .
Organic egg has lower sat. Fat and better omega 3 to 6 ratios.
This is slightly taken out of context because this clip has left out the part that certain plant protection products aren't harmful.
Glyphosate is in all conventional grains in the US (even if not a gmo crop as it is now sprayed on crops at harvest to dry them out and can’t be washed off), as well as sugar sources, which goes into processed foods and is fed to livestock, so everyone eating non organic is getting a daily dose of glyphosate, not just fruit and vegetable eaters.
1:06 'I am going to go back to my meat and saturated fat (news flash: it's a healthy fat that is less prone to oxidation. It's 2024) diet, so I can avoid all of these horrible risks like you are talking about right, Tim, like cancer?'
'No. (Laughs)'.
What might be giggle inducing to you might be life-saving to others in more ways than one. Come on, guys :(.
For those interested, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) in the United States is a non-profit organization run by activists who have online consumer guides covering man-made toxins in our food and environment. They get bombarded by criticisms from Big Food/Ag (just look at their wiki) but they have been around since the 90's and are still going strong, but they could always use support!
2024 yet saturated fat still leads to worse health outcomes. Doesnt matter what year it is, this will always be true.
@@semi-mojo mechanistic Citation needed*. Walter Willett or Christopher Gardner level evidence won't cut it (I can be a silly willy with correlations and say ridiculous things like red meat causes diabetes, too), but an explanation of why Ron Krauss, Gerald Reavan, or hell even Matt Budoff are wrong would be genuinely welcomed. I really mean that; if this isn't a troll, why do you believe that statement?
So, organic is best! Oh bugger, to buy organic is not cheap. Typical.
I buy a mixture. I don’t worry about say swedes, carrots or different potatoes if I’m mashing or peeling and roasting but cabbage, kale and things with skin that I eat, I get organic
You guys could AT LEAST provide evidence to support several confusing claims:
1. The link between glyphosate and cancer is highly controversial to say the least - you could at least cite the controversy created by the IARC which is widely known to anybody who performed an even cursory review of the evidence.
2. What's the evidence that eating organic foods will improve health outcomes when compared to a diet that adheres to international guidelines, guidelines which highlight the importance of fruits and vegetables (among other things)? Is there in fact any evidence of this, and if there is such evidence, what is the gain in healthspan and lower mortality? Why would anybody choose organic foods, given who costly it is to eat 1Kg/day in fruits/veggies (as suggested by more than one national dietary guideline)?
These are not side questions. They go to the core of what's reported in the video.
One way to detoxify is to donate blood or have periods.
Unevidenced rubbish, no better than Saladino et al