Watching this old film footage is great. The martial arts has changed alot over the years. Back then it was about honour and respect. It was a study through the education of the martial arts. The fighting arts are always there - that is obvious. However, to focus on the accomplishments and the learning process should be the goal. Perfection is realizing that there is no perfection. If you focus on perfecting your skills and self growth , its hard to think about the fighting aspect. Utilizing the martial arts to help people to grow or teaching values to people is by far a greater asset. Thanks for this video it brings us back.
Traditional Karate still exists. The dojo I attend is traditional Okinawa Goju-Ryu Karate-jutsu. The reason you don't see it alot is because it's not easily commercialized. Just like MMA isn't easily commercialized. People want to be called a black belt and are willing to pay for it instead of earn it so knowing that franchises pop up, 5 year olds get black belts and nunchaku glow in the dark and people actually think hitting someone 1 time will win a fight.
Real fighting? How? This is point sparring - barely any hits to head , mostly controlled strikes and punches . I think the Japanese have finally reaped what they’ve sewn: there’s no real substance to this . They adopted it from Okinawa , then changed much of it to Japanese cultural standards. Okinawan Karate is probably far more credible than this. And the JKA , AAKF , JKF etc.. really can’t fake it anymore - they’ve made their money , people have wised up - this is mostly bullshit ,now. If traditional Karate is so effective, why hasn’t there been any significant fighter in pro MMA circles?
@@ahket221 Yeah, I know what you mean. I like Kyokushin a lot, but I don't like the fact that they don't allow punches to the face. That's why I like more Daido Juku Kudo or Nippon Kempo.
This looks a lot more tactile than modern karate matches. A lot more potential for bruising, but I guess that’s what you sign up for when you become a fighter
This is the real Karate. TRADITIONAL KARATE...Kime, Strong, Speed, Timing....nowadays karate is completely diferent no kime, no power...completely sad to see it..
The problem for karate matches, it only cares for techniques. However endurance is the generally deciding factor as much as technique. It is really important, how hard you can hit, how much you can take beating. Just because of it, boxing or kick boxing, or ufc are the real deal..
There was point system back then even. It's like an old way of scoring and winning but once the ecore is scored you stop which isn't really practical but it's a tournament not real life situation
Punches on face are not allowed, right? This circular hand strike is not prohibited by the rules? And why they dont keep their hands up? Is the easiest way to block most of punches on face.
yes punches to the face are allowed (the only Karate Style in which are not allowed is Kyokusin). The circular hand strike (I think you would say the hook) is not allowed but they know how to throw it. They keep their hands down in order to be faster and at the same time don't predictable. In addition, they know that won't arrive any hook so they are ready to block straight punches and whit this guard they are able to.
I wonder if somebody could help me please. I am looking for a KARATE-DO gym for my boy. I don't want sport Karate. How can I tell the difference? I would feel rather stupid going into a gym and asking if they practice traditional or sport Karate. My boy is on the autistic spectrum and need structure but not competiton. Thank you in advance.
At the gym where I train Shotokan Karate, my master teaches an aggressive style, he likes fighting and everyone trains the same things, with the difference that students who participate in championships focus more on techniques used in championships. I don't know if there are gyms that only train for combat or not. I think you should just look for a karate gym, maybe just briefly research the differences between Kyokoshin and Shotokan and after he is training, the student decides if he wants to focus on competition or not.
Meik Beck Correct and of course it has its place, you can draw a lot of positives from the JKA. I would go so far as to say I would incorporate some JKA principals into traditional Karate, that would certainly improve and evolve traditional training. The real problem with the JKA is it put itself out there as traditional Karate. It bares a striking resemblance to the Catholic Church, which calls itself Christian yet changes the rules to suit itself. In truth for a long time the JKA kept a strong tradition, even though it had begun by creating a sport in tandem with that tradition. It was evident you cannot have both under the one umbrella, because they will eventually contradict each other, which of course is now evident. The Japanese Karate Association has become empty at its core, it still thinks its teaching traditional Karate, though tradition has long slipped away to be replaced with a dance like version, because it tried to wed the two, Karate and Sport. I have been saying for a long time now. Karate is Karate, the same as Martial Arts are Martial Arts. Sport is Sport. They are very separate things. There is nothing wrong with creating a sport from Karate or any other Martial practice, but give it a Sporting name, e.g. UFC Ultimate Fighting Championship and keep it in the realm of Sport, with a Sporting ethos. Karate should evolve, but only as Karate with a Karate ethos. Both Boxing and wrestling have no mention of Martial beginnings, which i'm sure they must have. Apologies for the long winded comment, I just think it needs to be put out there.
Good point. This is traditional kumite, bare hands, JKA style. In karate exist the traditional sparring which is called jyu kumite. The fact that the points are used doesnt mean it is not traditional. The so called sport karate or non traditional karate is the WKF one. Thats my understanding.
@@kitakachidoki I don't know how much JKA are ttaditional. I compieted with JKA guys, and they really don't know how to take a strong punch to the stomach.
This is a ritualistic combat, doesn't prepare you for the full force of real violence, if you test outside these limits, you gonna have a bad wake up call, as did I years ago
Oh please, I've been attacked twice since I started training 35 years ago, and I came out on top both times, and my training was traditional Asian martial arts. It works.
Who said that this was real karate and we should keep it, is just an ignorant ignoring the amount of damages they get… modern karate is a great weapon, you can see some of the best fighters competing in sportive karate and coming from it.
I changed my opinion. Tought karate isnt so good. After i found out that it is great just need to find good teacher who teaches old traditional karate. Learning now kata
So much Hits because no Cover on the head. And stop after Every ippon. It is hard but Not good for your head, and unrealistic.i sah these as an 2nd dan goju ryu karateka. But in fact my muay thai training was better for Selfdefense.
Riddle me this : if traditional Karate is so great and effective etc. why hasn’t there been even ONE pro fighter in MMA that relies mostly on Shotokan or any other traditional karate style ? Why not even one decent fighter who claims this as their background? The answer is because it isn’t as great as you would all like to think it is
Lyoto Machida is a good example, as he adapted karate well to MMA. There are those who say that one of the reasons for his decline in the UFC was precisely that he was more focused on other arts and left Karate a little aside.
@@Rodrigo-hq1zl I’m aware of Machata , but really the only Karate influence I’ve seen are the basics : punches, kicks , and it’s a limited usage. I think the Japanese have always held back much of the “real” essence of Karate , and above that: the Okinawans kept most of it from the Japanese .
There are several problems with your comment and the point you're trying to make, but I'll point out the the most obvious ones: 1) You're wrong. Many MMA fighters have a background in traditional marts, karate being one of them. 2) More importantly: you think that the benchmark for the value of a system is whether it's represented in professional MMA.
@@honigdachs. No, I don’t think that’s the “benchmark” - my point is what is taught as “effective” is a bunch of BS - esp. in Shotokan and other traditional karate schools. Many of the JKA grads cannot show realistic applications to the katas - it’s all the same BS examples. The Japanese have intentionally hidden much of it , but as I said before : even the Okinawans have kept most of it hidden, even from the Japanese.
@@hazor777 You're not wrong. It is true that basically almost everything that was taught in mainland Japan from the 60s on, possibly even earlier, is already something that is far removed from what was originally taught/trained in Okinawa and had little to do with the self defense oriented methods of the old styles. By the time karate started expanding internationally, there was already a generation of instructors who only knew moevs and a bunch of kata, but never knew or trained the applications and could not pass them on to students.
Muy cierto, hay una gran diferencia entre el karate deportivo japonés (lo que se ve en este video) y el Karate tradicional okinawense (enfocado más al kata, a la defensa personal, al kobudo y a duro entrenamiento de la fortaleza física) son muy distintos uno de otro, en todo caso el vídeo resulta excelente aún en lo deportivo japonés ya que marca una gran pauta de como eran los combates deportivos de karate años atrás (décadas de los 60's, 70's, 80's y 90's del siglo pasado) y lo que son los combates deportivos de Karate actualmente....en realidad una GRAN diferencia.
@@eyescat1082 de hecho en palabras de Jesse Enkamp ya casi no hay diferencia entre el karate deportivo y tradicional, ya que a medida que avanzan los años cada vez se pierde mas el enfoque tradicional del karate, así qie depende de uno mismo buscarla y ponerla en práctica. A mi en particular me gusta el karate deportivo, pero en casa igual practico el bunkai, uso una makiwara y endurezco mi cuerpo, además de combinarlo con bjj y muay thai, pues la imagen que se vende hoy en día del karate almenos en mi país es muy family friendly, y eso me desagrada personalmente.
@Owl Longbow Yeah, aikido guys say that there are punches in aikido (in fact, they are not) and their technique is very mortal, so they can't hold competitions (lol). This is the same. What is the point to appellate to the rules and historical documents, if 99% of the time adepts do not train these techniques? Moreover, kyokushin is Masutatsu Oyama's child. Thus, he defines the rules of kyokushin. And Mas Oyama claims that there are no gloves and no punches to the head in kyokushin. This and only this is real kyokushin karate. Everything else is a profanation of kyokushin. Imho.
No doubts, this is real karate.
WITHOUT A DOUBT!
Watching this old film footage is great. The martial arts has changed alot over the years. Back then it was about honour and respect. It was a study through the education of the martial arts. The fighting arts are always there - that is obvious. However, to focus on the accomplishments and the learning process should be the goal. Perfection is realizing that there is no perfection. If you focus on perfecting your skills and self growth , its hard to think about the fighting aspect. Utilizing the martial arts to help people to grow or teaching values to people is by far a greater asset. Thanks for this video it brings us back.
"Perfection is realizing that there is no perfection "💪one of the best quotes I've ever read
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Now this is a martial art. How could Karate get so lost on this recent ballet-sport??
It is old fashioned, people use things such as muay thai or mma nowadays
I guess the fédérations diluted it, to make it less brutal. In order to appeal to more people.
Its not lost your just not looking hard enough
@@tempusfugit7560 how can that crap appeal to more people?
Traditional Karate still exists. The dojo I attend is traditional Okinawa Goju-Ryu Karate-jutsu. The reason you don't see it alot is because it's not easily commercialized. Just like MMA isn't easily commercialized. People want to be called a black belt and are willing to pay for it instead of earn it so knowing that franchises pop up, 5 year olds get black belts and nunchaku glow in the dark and people actually think hitting someone 1 time will win a fight.
Excellent Karate. The way it should be. Strong and focused strikes. Not the flimsy stuff we see. I respect you. Ossu!
That's the way I love it. No fuss karate. Hard and fair.
Seeing them know and use some takedowns is so awesome to me. Karate back then seemed actually functional as self defense
still is, just gotta find the right school
Вот это настоящее Карате!!! 💪👍🔥🔥🔥 Real Karate!!!
только такие соревнования проводятся раз в жизни )) остальное время бойцы лечатся
I miss this time so much. It was real fighting.
Real fighting?
How?
This is point sparring - barely any hits to head , mostly controlled strikes and punches .
I think the Japanese have finally reaped what they’ve sewn: there’s no real substance to this . They adopted it from Okinawa , then changed much of it to Japanese cultural standards. Okinawan Karate is probably far more credible than this. And the JKA , AAKF , JKF etc.. really can’t fake it anymore - they’ve made their money , people have wised up - this is mostly bullshit ,now. If traditional Karate is so effective, why hasn’t there been any significant fighter in pro MMA circles?
This is the real Karate
nowadays they just punching from far away, and dancing all the time
but evektif
@@riskiadittiya245 yes veri
So true.
Yes :/
@@riskiadittiya245 efektiv?
My dojo is still traditional karate, and that's what I like about my dojo
Impressive speed...really need to train hard on that
It was beautiful. Can we have karate like this again?
This is JKA Karate, old and new footage. People should know that there are still real Shotokan over there.
Being a Shotokan Practitioner for almost 5 Years. I can definitely say that this is some real gold I wished to watch.
Exactly, I am part of the JKA traditional karate affiliation in Brazil and we follow the tradition and training as in the old days.
Wait so it still exists
@@thijsversluys162yes
it would be better if they allow full contact for the ippon.
that would really make a difference from WKF
Charlitos 1988 They did, it became full contact Karate. Its now Kick Boxing.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 boxing+karate=kickboxing
Está el karate combat y el kudo pero ese no es tan popular
I'm judoka from Brazil and I love the karate's throws! It's really dynamic!
It’s Awesome Video Ever Dude!😎
The real autectic Karate-Do 👌🏽
Este é o verdadeiro karatê .👍🇧🇷
It's crazy to see that there's still control even though they're bare knuckled and are going full speed
Wow look at the speed.It's Awesome
Да, это карате ... максимально реальное на соревнованиях
Thanks for sharing!!
actually feels like Cobra Kai
I love traditional, we're losting karate now
Shotokan hasta la muerte 🥋❤🔥
Shito Ryu hasta la muerte. Saludos marciales. Oss!!
Traditional karate is the best!!!
2:38 🔥🔥🔥
" Best of the Best' s". .. Great Job' s on Picture Story Tradizional Karate. .. Very Compliments or the Stuff. .. So' Nice ... ☺😊😉/💙💙💙/👍👌👏👋
This is what Karate SHOULD BE.
I'm sorry buy today "sport Karate" isn't Karate at all.
Thast why I switch to kyokushin
@@ahket221 Yeah, I know what you mean. I like Kyokushin a lot, but I don't like the fact that they don't allow punches to the face. That's why I like more Daido Juku Kudo or Nippon Kempo.
The karaté is not a sport for me :/
@@ahket221 I'm giving kumite a chance for the moment and I tend to switch. Which should I go for?
Agreed
5:17 Nice kick behind the other guy's calf.
This looks a lot more tactile than modern karate matches. A lot more potential for bruising, but I guess that’s what you sign up for when you become a fighter
Kokubun is my favourite
This is the real Karate. TRADITIONAL KARATE...Kime, Strong, Speed, Timing....nowadays karate is completely diferent no kime, no power...completely sad to see it..
Why dont we see any blood with that punchs? Because its "control". Control is not just dont making contact, its making contact to true points.
Просто восхищает. Иных слов просто нет.
The problem for karate matches, it only cares for techniques. However endurance is the generally deciding factor as much as technique. It is really important, how hard you can hit, how much you can take beating. Just because of it, boxing or kick boxing, or ufc are the real deal..
If you guys hate sports karate so much (like me) I suggest watching karate combat
The best and the real karate
this is karate Vrai
1'5" number 47 "red belt"what is the name of that Master ??
This is the reason why I only learn traditional karate, they only make warrior not a dancer...
It this real karate. 👍👍👍😁
Why they only do point karate? Why not full kumite no stop
Oss
Y A H A R A
K A G A W A
Federasi Karate Tradisional Indonesia..ossh
Oss...
Traditional Karate forever
REAL ONE
Why doesn't Karate allow for continuous fighting?
There was point system back then even. It's like an old way of scoring and winning but once the ecore is scored you stop which isn't really practical but it's a tournament not real life situation
Punches on face are not allowed, right? This circular hand strike is not prohibited by the rules? And why they dont keep their hands up? Is the easiest way to block most of punches on face.
yes punches to the face are allowed (the only Karate Style in which are not allowed is Kyokusin). The circular hand strike (I think you would say the hook) is not allowed but they know how to throw it. They keep their hands down in order to be faster and at the same time don't predictable. In addition, they know that won't arrive any hook so they are ready to block straight punches and whit this guard they are able to.
4:27手刀
WKF make karate like a dance
best of "traditional" karate and the video shows "competition" karate :D
I wonder if somebody could help me please. I am looking for a KARATE-DO gym for my boy. I don't want sport Karate. How can I tell the difference? I would feel rather stupid going into a gym and asking if they practice traditional or sport Karate. My boy is on the autistic spectrum and need structure but not competiton. Thank you in advance.
At the gym where I train Shotokan Karate, my master teaches an aggressive style, he likes fighting and everyone trains the same things, with the difference that students who participate in championships focus more on techniques used in championships.
I don't know if there are gyms that only train for combat or not.
I think you should just look for a karate gym, maybe just briefly research the differences between Kyokoshin and Shotokan and after he is training, the student decides if he wants to focus on competition or not.
Ngeriii...
That's old school JKA Kumite = Sports-Karate! Traditional for the JKA, but not for Karate
Meik Beck Correct and of course it has its place, you can draw a lot of positives from the JKA. I would go so far as to say I would incorporate some JKA principals into traditional Karate, that would certainly improve and evolve traditional training. The real problem with the JKA is it put itself out there as traditional Karate. It bares a striking resemblance to the Catholic Church, which calls itself Christian yet changes the rules to suit itself. In truth for a long time the JKA kept a strong tradition, even though it had begun by creating a sport in tandem with that tradition. It was evident you cannot have both under the one umbrella, because they will eventually contradict each other, which of course is now evident. The Japanese Karate Association has become empty at its core, it still thinks its teaching traditional Karate, though tradition has long slipped away to be replaced with a dance like version, because it tried to wed the two, Karate and Sport. I have been saying for a long time now. Karate is Karate, the same as Martial Arts are Martial Arts. Sport is Sport. They are very separate things. There is nothing wrong with creating a sport from Karate or any other Martial practice, but give it a Sporting name, e.g. UFC Ultimate Fighting Championship and keep it in the realm of Sport, with a Sporting ethos. Karate should evolve, but only as Karate with a Karate ethos. Both Boxing and wrestling have no mention of Martial beginnings, which i'm sure they must have. Apologies for the long winded comment, I just think it needs to be put out there.
Back when karate was still a real fighting art rather than a sporty game of tag.
But why you call it traditional karate? This is a sport karate.
Good point. This is traditional kumite, bare hands, JKA style. In karate exist the traditional sparring which is called jyu kumite. The fact that the points are used doesnt mean it is not traditional. The so called sport karate or non traditional karate is the WKF one. Thats my understanding.
@@kitakachidoki I don't know how much JKA are ttaditional. I compieted with JKA guys, and they really don't know how to take a strong punch to the stomach.
This is a ritualistic combat, doesn't prepare you for the full force of real violence, if you test outside these limits, you gonna have a bad wake up call, as did I years ago
My experience in street fight is different. I won in 2 or 3 street fight and I was a Shotokan Student, first Kyu. I was very young (24).
@@kandali2008 nice for you my friend, it works if you attack someone much weaker by surprise or who has little combative skills
Oh please, I've been attacked twice since I started training 35 years ago, and I came out on top both times, and my training was traditional Asian martial arts. It works.
OSSSSSSSSSSSSSS (from a black belt)
0:11 tomoenage
👍👊💪💪💪🖐🖐🖐
i think i saw Masao Sensei
2:00 😂😂
Who said that this was real karate and we should keep it, is just an ignorant ignoring the amount of damages they get… modern karate is a great weapon, you can see some of the best fighters competing in sportive karate and coming from it.
Because of the sport culture unfortunately the practicality of traditional karate is lost
Is not traditional Karate. Is Shotokan sport way but when Nakayama still there and that was a great difference.
shotokan is traditional too it's been watered down in a lots of places
@@shinchan___4 Not Traditional; read again what I wrote before. I am a JKA Shotokan student though
It looks like manly shotokan
А где блоки ? Зачем ката учат ?
Просто у них не было автоинструктора .
This is the one I am talking about, but look what happened to karate, it should not be a sport because the real karate was not meant to be sport.
Vive shotokan traditionnel
Vero karate
空手らしい俊敏、敏速な動き。です、寸止めではないのか、あてるほうが一瞬で勝敗がきまるが、危けんこのうえないのが、本来の空手、手 足が凶器だからね
I changed my opinion. Tought karate isnt so good. After i found out that it is great just need to find good teacher who teaches old traditional karate. Learning now kata
道着を着てMMAをやったらこうなるな
裸拳で顔面に入れるという緊迫感
Shotokan karate the real karate
Still modern Karate 🙁, don't mess the timeline guys
Karatê de verdade.
.e NÃO esse balé de hj
So much Hits because no Cover on the head. And stop after Every ippon. It is hard but Not good for your head, and unrealistic.i sah these as an 2nd dan goju ryu karateka. But in fact my muay thai training was better for Selfdefense.
Riddle me this : if traditional Karate is so great and effective etc. why hasn’t there been even ONE pro fighter in MMA that relies mostly on Shotokan or any other traditional karate style ? Why not even one decent fighter who claims this as their background?
The answer is because it isn’t as great as you would all like to think it is
Lyoto Machida is a good example, as he adapted karate well to MMA. There are those who say that one of the reasons for his decline in the UFC was precisely that he was more focused on other arts and left Karate a little aside.
@@Rodrigo-hq1zl I’m aware of Machata , but really the only Karate influence I’ve seen are the basics : punches, kicks , and it’s a limited usage. I think the Japanese have always held back much of the “real” essence of Karate , and above that: the Okinawans kept most of it from the Japanese .
There are several problems with your comment and the point you're trying to make, but I'll point out the the most obvious ones: 1) You're wrong. Many MMA fighters have a background in traditional marts, karate being one of them. 2) More importantly: you think that the benchmark for the value of a system is whether it's represented in professional MMA.
@@honigdachs. No, I don’t think that’s the “benchmark” - my point is what is taught as “effective” is a bunch of BS - esp. in Shotokan and other traditional karate schools. Many of the JKA grads cannot show realistic applications to the katas - it’s all the same BS examples. The Japanese have intentionally hidden much of it , but as I said before : even the Okinawans have kept most of it hidden, even from the Japanese.
@@hazor777 You're not wrong. It is true that basically almost everything that was taught in mainland Japan from the 60s on, possibly even earlier, is already something that is far removed from what was originally taught/trained in Okinawa and had little to do with the self defense oriented methods of the old styles. By the time karate started expanding internationally, there was already a generation of instructors who only knew moevs and a bunch of kata, but never knew or trained the applications and could not pass them on to students.
こんくらいしないとね。
Kampfsport
Judo..
This is Japanese karate, nothing to do with real karate
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This is fucking true Karate
Karate is karate
Muy cierto, hay una gran diferencia entre el karate deportivo japonés (lo que se ve en este video) y el Karate tradicional okinawense (enfocado más al kata, a la defensa personal, al kobudo y a duro entrenamiento de la fortaleza física) son muy distintos uno de otro, en todo caso el vídeo resulta excelente aún en lo deportivo japonés ya que marca una gran pauta de como eran los combates deportivos de karate años atrás (décadas de los 60's, 70's, 80's y 90's del siglo pasado) y lo que son los combates deportivos de Karate actualmente....en realidad una GRAN diferencia.
@@eyescat1082 de hecho en palabras de Jesse Enkamp ya casi no hay diferencia entre el karate deportivo y tradicional, ya que a medida que avanzan los años cada vez se pierde mas el enfoque tradicional del karate, así qie depende de uno mismo buscarla y ponerla en práctica. A mi en particular me gusta el karate deportivo, pero en casa igual practico el bunkai, uso una makiwara y endurezco mi cuerpo, además de combinarlo con bjj y muay thai, pues la imagen que se vende hoy en día del karate almenos en mi país es muy family friendly, y eso me desagrada personalmente.
Shotokan so overrated and useless style compare to others.
Agreed, with hands down and ritualistic moves, it might work only occasionally in real life
Not really if you think about it. Every style has its flaws
Tem seus méritos, mas shotokan quase não usa bloqueios, se especializa na longa distância e tem pouco grappling. Respeito, mas não gosto
Entra lá.
This is laughing stock. Shotokan and the likes of it are already disposed of.
Kyokushin is the real karate, not this shit.
A real karateka wouldn't put other styles down.
Oh, really? Without punches to the head? Ha-ha-ha.
🤣😂😂good joke!
@Owl Longbow Yeah, aikido guys say that there are punches in aikido (in fact, they are not) and their technique is very mortal, so they can't hold competitions (lol). This is the same. What is the point to appellate to the rules and historical documents, if 99% of the time adepts do not train these techniques? Moreover, kyokushin is Masutatsu Oyama's child. Thus, he defines the rules of kyokushin. And Mas Oyama claims that there are no gloves and no punches to the head in kyokushin. This and only this is real kyokushin karate. Everything else is a profanation of kyokushin. Imho.
@@grace-pt4hw god damn that was amazing.
Обычная драка ахххха
2:00 😂😂