14:14 You can burrow it back to base and it will heal to full in the Nexus like a regular hero. Then you can point it into a lane and once your choice is made (top, mid, bot) you can assist the team again. The burrow should be off cooldown once you need it again, unless the enemy team is already winning on map control (and handles your monstrosity). I've kept a single monstrosity alive for entire games that way, by merely sending it back to the Nexus once it had pushed a lane enough to warrant attention from the enemy team.
Hey, 110 level Abathur here. I think almost all abathur talents are viable for different situations. If you ask when you should pick monstrosity I would say: when it used to be that monstrosity got the attack speed bonus as well. Unfortunately it doesn't anymore. It was absolutely monstrous and not many people knew about it. I guess the developers did since they nerfed it. I almost always used to pick the extra attack speed, extra movement speed, take the extra attack damage, stack the monstrosity up and in the middle of team fight burrow into the backline destroying all the squishies before they even realized what was happening. Used to single handily get even full team wipes with that combo. Not as viable tactic anymore. Still decent depending on enemy composition but then again is the meta pick of ultimate evolution as well. A few tips: Tip 1: You can "heart" the monstrosity by burrowing into the well to heal it up. I usually heal it up and leave it to wander a certain lane away from the enemies which gives me more time to baby sit my other over sized minions who are complaining that I'm a noob for picking the monstrosity. Tip 2: If you want to be toxic and go for the mine build, I recommend it only when the enemy team doesn't have a healer (proper healer, aba or medivh doesn't count). Other times I think it is always a waste, unless you want to have some fun with a friend to hook or throw squishies into a sea of mines. Only serious playstyle if there are no healers, then it is a slow and painful death for the opposing team. Especially if your team knows to use the mines and aim to ambush with them. They slow and even reduce armor by 10 for full 4 seconds and combat usually takes place with enemy team with less health when they have been stumbling in the mines the whole time. On some matches I kind of felt bad for the opposing team. I suppose if the whole team has good self sustain then it could also be countering the mine build. For example: Muradin won't care about mine damage. Tip 3: If you go for the locust push build or mine build then the ultimate evolution is very good to have. Then you can still be effective in team fights and also be able to push or be a toxic annoyance. Locust build with monstrosity is a bit of a one trick pony and kills all team fight capability. If you want to only try to macro your way to victory then it can work as well. My rule of thumb is that if you don't take the hat build then ultimate evolution is a must. If you already have good hat then you can just use that in team fights and often it can be almost as impactful as the copy itself depending on your copy targets. But if your hat sucks then you need the copy. Tip 4: After the xp globe change, the body soaking is almost useless unless you are using locust build to push as well. Even in this game, you did not pick many of the xp globes even when you were right next to them. You have to keep moving yourself and it takes time and concentration away from other things. Instead you can just drop the hat, get the globes and drop it. This takes almost less time than using body soaking and due to xp globes, the timing is not so precise. So unless you are trying to do some slug baiting or use locust build I think the body soaking aspect was destroyed by the xp globe change. Needless risk and attention dividing when you can pick up the globes almost anytime you want with the hat. I could write a couple of more novels about the slug but I think I will just stop here.
Agree with everything here. I feel the need to add that if you do pick the monstrosity, it moves faster than minions by quite a bit. So if you're about to drop the symbiote off of it, I would move it back a bit so it doesn't suicide into towers.
I'm a fan of running hybrid, which is to say 1st tier traps so I can easily clear waves/camps/trap enemies if I want to, second attack speed for your lovely illidan or whatever (if nothing, then traps (because some maps truly allow to kill enemies with it), third shield all allies (2-5x E strength with this, it's one of the strongest talents in the game I think), monstrosity (much better than the other imo, just harder to use), w heal (super good for monster/ally) and. movement speed. The idea behind monstrocity is that you keep it alive multitasking lanes/champs pulling it back to avoid it getting killed, and drop it onto enemy backlane in teamfights and then switch to an ally to dps/tank/zone. Hard to pull off, very rewarding if you do. This is more dps than any character you can copy with the other R, seeing as you lose your qwe damage as you use it, so the damage is not actually that high. (but ofc you can push lanes and forts/defend better with it like usual if you don't want to tf). it's fun. You soak maximize potential/second. Soak 3 lanes, initiate camps, join all teamfights and push buildings, ultimately getting something like 90% kill participation with 20k exp contribution and heal/damage equal to most on your team. At 20 one aoe stun and monstrocity solos everything, can 100% zone off healers and what not. Ofc, as for gameplay, Quick tapping rqwer is faster cooldowns than not, but the 4 second cd still forces you to use body to z soak lanes. Staying on a character might not be optimal cause of this, I find a lot of people just hat someone, wasting cds. Trap slows can be better sometimes. Those are my thoughts. But I've yet to see anyone play like this. Not fanhots, no one. :C
One other note on the monstrosity that isn't stated anywhere in-game, is that it has 50 Armor against Towers, Forts, and Keeps (but not the core). Pally talked about keeping aggro on creeps and off monstro to keep it alive, but you can usually deal more damage to buildings by facetanking with the monstro to keep archer minions alive for longer. Need to keep an eye on the minimap to pull back before a hero comes and deals with you though. Also, killing minions doesn't just grant stacks of +HP and +Atk: dying minions continue to heal the monstro for that 2% of max HP apiece. If a teamfight is happening in or near lane and your monstro is participating, you can dip nearby for a quick +28% heal from the seven minions in a wave.
Genuinely don't understand why Clone is the more popular ult over Monstrosity. Clone has a limited lifespan, usually not even the duration of a teamfight where as Monstrosity lasts as long as you need it to. Monstrosity can hit just as hard as a clone if not harder, you can hat the monstrosity, which means you can heal it and buff it as needed, and if (when) the enemy leaves it alone it can take an entire lane singlehandedly. Hell after 40 stacks it can even take camps with minimal issue. Because of the sheer flexibility and staying power I pick it over clone 99% of the time.
Level 70-something Aba here. My thoughts as to why Clone is generally preferred: 1. Versatility. You are 100% correct in that monstrosity can 1v1 targets if stacked. It can dominate a lane/structures. However, that's like all it can do. Clone is Much more versatile. Need more burst? Clone Jaina. Is one of your squishies being bursted down? Clone Healer/Tank to survive the burst. 2. Spell power: The attack damage buff is fine, but the spell power buff on Clone can be Really good. I mentioned Jaina; anyone who does a load of spell damage in a burst is a great clone target. Jaina is great because all she does is offense so the spell power hits well, but other mages can work well. The attack damage buff is nice as well, but the spell power and burst is wonderful. 3. Monstrosity is redundant: Aba is Really good at pushing/macro. Monstrosity just makes you better at doing that. Which can be fine! But if I wanted to bolster my push power, I'd rather just take hat talents and be efficient with my Q or take locust talents. 4. Clone 16/20 can be nuts. If you pick a tanky diver (Chen, Muradin, Sonya, etc.), you can get a lot of value out of Volatile Mutation at 16 and the Clone upgrade at 20. To be clear, this is generally not the play. Most of the time you'll get more mileage out of other talents. However, when it works it's pretty legit. 5. Clone is usually where you need it when you need it. Monstrosity isn't always. Yes, you can Z, but you can't mount. If you aren't on top of your rotations and Z CD, and you want Monstrosity somewhere specific (say, a team fight), it's gonna take you a Long time to get there. Also, you can't give monstrosity a move command, un-hat, do something somewhere else, then go back to Monstrosity. You Have to keep the hat on. Which cripples your ability to do macro elsewhere on the map. 6. Two small things: One, Clone has a shorter CD. Yes, Monstrosity can have higher up time, but once it goes down you're waiting a while. Second, there is a niche Clone application. It's a shorter amount of time to R than to Z. So if you're in danger/being dove, you can pop R to get out. If the enemy is smart, they know you'll come back (it's a different animation versus your Z) but not everyone does. In defense of monstrosity: one of Aba's best talents is his level 20 double hat. When you have to decide between clone and hatting, it feels bad. That's not an issue with monstrosity. Also, if you're coordinated and have a Really strong four man on the right map, Monstrosity can absolutely wreck. Most of the time, clone will yield greater returns.
Since when can monstruosity tunnel at lvl 10? I havent played hots since 2018 but it used to be a lvl 20 talent. Tunnel at lvl 10 is a game changer, if you feed it until it gets fat and keep it alive, you only need to tunnel it in the middle of a TF and it becomes a HUGE issue for the enemy team. Then if you go hat build you can give it movement speed and atack speed. at lvl 20 it used to hit for about 500HP and fast as fuck.
Pally you think you can get an entire team together to do a bunch of winion builds? Namely raynor, xul, abathur (monstrosity and locusts), zagara and maybe kerrigan or probius I think it would be super funny to just beat the enemy team only pure macro
You reminded me of the days when Zagara and Abathur were BROKEN. When they could just back door and the ranged Locusts would outrange towers and just wittle them down.
Personally I like the Spike Burst range/cooldown talent early and the heal host per Hero hit by Spike Burst late. This is especially strong when you get to 2 targets. Just inject yourself into your bruiser(s) every fight, tip the balance in your direction, then move on to the next fight. And while there are clearly situations where Ultimate Evolution is better, I always prefer Monstrosity. With the above talents I can usually solo most squishies with it late game, and even force quite a few bruisers to back off if they want to live.
People aren't just picking Abby ults based on map? Small map, Ultimate Evolution. Big map, Evolved Monstrosity. Use Ultimate Evolution to fight for objectives when appropriate or to clean up. Use Evolved Monstrosity in the furthest lane from an objective that's about to start, then push as hard as you can with it until people come to stop it. When they come, dig out to the furthest away lane and push that. This forces the enemy team to either waste the time to travel across the entire map again, or fall back to defend the waves that are crashing. I can't imagine why people would favor UE on anything but a small map when all it does is waste the time that you could be micromanaging and dominating lanes.
Because once you use it once it forces the enemy team to consider that any fight you can ultimate and suddenly they are fighting 2 instead of 1. This forces them to play much more defensively and not use some abilities. On larger maps this is just as effective because it takes longer to navigate the map meaning you have it more frequently relative to how often people see it and in turn makes anything other then 5v4s a bad idea while in a 5v4 where you Ult you can also be pushing another lane. I prefer Monstrosity.
I usually like to go monstrosity when I'm going a more symbiote based build to handle waves when I'm sporting the team with my shields and extra poke. Whereas if I went more map control perks like nest buffs and locust buffs I like to go clone to commit to key team fights.
just wanted to add shield at 7 is really good for lane pushing as well, your monstrosity will set up huge waves when pushing especially with the lvl 1 talent you took
Monstrosity Is more of a win more ult like hammer's rocket. It only really works if their team doesn't have strong split pushers When it is maxed out it can legit solo most non dueling champs in the game of equal level. as well as just working just like a merc camp, keeping at lest one lane pushed in at all times. Many vikings maps he works great on. It is really power on immortals to an disgusting degree due to people letting it free push most of the time, if they don't then move to the other side of the map and eat up 15-25 secs of them riding to attack it.
I think its important to stress that winrates don't account for skill level, so though monstrosity may have a higher winrate I think that's skewed by the community in general being fairly low skill. Heroic evolution requires the abathur to know the abilities of all the heroes on their team to play effectively, while monstrosity requires the enemy team to have good map pressure and map awareness for them to deal with. If they were perfectly "balanced" then I would expect monstrosity to have a higher winrate.
The only character I play. One game on someone else because of the tutorial. Like over 100 games. I would love to play hat for you anytime I am available pally. Not the best but good with directions.
Ya raynor can go a minion build, what I am thinking is see if you can go full winions on everyone and just either avoud teamfights or only take especially favorable ones. Kerrigan with tarrasque upgrade Zagara full minion build and nydus network Abathur evokve monstrosity with maybe a minor locust build baked in between Raynor with the minion inspire buff and extra damage to seige camps And finally xul for his minion passive. This could be so annoying but so funny at the same time. Depending on a few factors kerrigan is probably the one you could most easily rotate out for someone else. But to me the idea of just overpowering the enemy with sheer number of minions and global presence sounds hilarious.
It's been so long since I've watched or even played HOTS but since starting to rewatch I decided to re-download and pick it back up. Haven't played since launch so let's see how rusty I am
I typically go locust build if I notice my team has a really strong team fight, but is lacking in macro potential. Especially if they're really strong, self-sufficient heroes that can handle 4v5 fights decently well with minimal support from you. You do have to pay more attention to the minimap and enemy rotations though, otherwise you are very likely to die when they come after your body - or you deep-tunnel at a really bad time, like right before an enemy rotates to that lane. I _avoid_ locusts if the enemy team has really strong lane push though. Hammer, Nazeebo, Zagara, Xul, etc, will just clown on your poor little locusts most of the time. Global heroes like Rag and even Air-Muradin can be a problem as well.
I just cant see Monstrosity being good unless your team can handle the 4 V 5 situation without your monster for a few "level up waves" of minions to buff the monster to PVP levels. Over all I feel like the clone offers far more utility since you can clone whoever role will benifit the most in that particular team fight. need to get more CC, tank, or bruiser, need some burst, you know who to hit, need to really hard drive the enemy healer, BAM, need to actually hyper carry heals? got project for that too~!
Been forever since I had hots on my feed. Does this game get updates or is it dead? I really miss the unique ideas that went into the game and not knowing what crazy shit blizzard would put out next. Variety was fun.
What i hate about monstro is how the towers take priority on it. The thing can barely take a punch and you get DESTROYED by towers as soon as they see you EVEN if there are heroes arround. That is bullshit.
Personally, the answer to this question in the title for me is “never”. It can have its moments, but in my experience, the monstrosity is often a game losing choice. Abathur players that use it focus too much on it and baby it too much. This ends up hurting the team in the long run, again in my experience. To pull it off, you need to know when to pop it, have an enemy team that ignores it and know when to baby it and when to let it die. Not enough players knew how.
pally, love ya but can really tell you don't play abby xDD you got so lucky that you didn't have an enemy team that was aware of your existence, as an abby main, all i can really suggest to do more is be more aggressive with your body and use mines as warning signals.
why you are giving tips on this game. After many years of playing, you are still extremely silver / bronze player with your abilities. Like, dude. You dont know even basics of character you do play. Just stop.
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14:14 You can burrow it back to base and it will heal to full in the Nexus like a regular hero.
Then you can point it into a lane and once your choice is made (top, mid, bot) you can assist the team again.
The burrow should be off cooldown once you need it again, unless the enemy team is already winning on map control (and handles your monstrosity).
I've kept a single monstrosity alive for entire games that way, by merely sending it back to the Nexus once it had pushed a lane enough to warrant attention from the enemy team.
Hey, 110 level Abathur here.
I think almost all abathur talents are viable for different situations.
If you ask when you should pick monstrosity I would say: when it used to be that monstrosity got
the attack speed bonus as well. Unfortunately it doesn't anymore.
It was absolutely monstrous and not many people knew about it. I guess the developers did since they nerfed it.
I almost always used to pick the extra attack speed, extra movement speed, take the extra attack damage,
stack the monstrosity up and in the middle of team fight burrow into the backline destroying all the
squishies before they even realized what was happening. Used to single handily get even full team wipes with that combo.
Not as viable tactic anymore. Still decent depending on enemy composition but then again is the meta pick of ultimate evolution as well.
A few tips:
Tip 1: You can "heart" the monstrosity by burrowing into the well to heal it up.
I usually heal it up and leave it to wander a certain lane away from the enemies which gives me more time
to baby sit my other over sized minions who are complaining that I'm a noob for picking the monstrosity.
Tip 2: If you want to be toxic and go for the mine build, I recommend it only when the enemy
team doesn't have a healer (proper healer, aba or medivh doesn't count). Other times I think it is always a waste, unless you want to have
some fun with a friend to hook or throw squishies into a sea of mines. Only serious playstyle if there are no healers, then
it is a slow and painful death for the opposing team. Especially if your team knows to use the mines and aim to ambush with them.
They slow and even reduce armor by 10 for full 4 seconds and combat usually takes place with enemy team with less health when
they have been stumbling in the mines the whole time.
On some matches I kind of felt bad for the opposing team.
I suppose if the whole team has good self sustain then it could also be countering the mine build. For example: Muradin won't care about mine damage.
Tip 3: If you go for the locust push build or mine build then the ultimate evolution is very good to have.
Then you can still be effective in team fights and also be able to push or be a toxic annoyance.
Locust build with monstrosity is a bit of a one trick pony and kills all team fight capability.
If you want to only try to macro your way to victory then it can work as well.
My rule of thumb is that if you don't take the hat build then ultimate evolution is a must.
If you already have good hat then you can just use that in team fights and often it can be almost
as impactful as the copy itself depending on your copy targets. But if your hat sucks then you need the copy.
Tip 4: After the xp globe change, the body soaking is almost useless unless you are using locust build to push as well.
Even in this game, you did not pick many of the xp globes even when you were right next to them.
You have to keep moving yourself and it takes time and concentration away from other things.
Instead you can just drop the hat, get the globes and drop it. This takes almost less time than using body soaking and
due to xp globes, the timing is not so precise. So unless you are trying to do some slug baiting or use locust build
I think the body soaking aspect was destroyed by the xp globe change. Needless risk and attention dividing when you can pick up the globes
almost anytime you want with the hat.
I could write a couple of more novels about the slug but I think I will just stop here.
Everything this guy said.
Agree with everything here. I feel the need to add that if you do pick the monstrosity, it moves faster than minions by quite a bit. So if you're about to drop the symbiote off of it, I would move it back a bit so it doesn't suicide into towers.
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I'm a fan of running hybrid, which is to say 1st tier traps so I can easily clear waves/camps/trap enemies if I want to, second attack speed for your lovely illidan or whatever (if nothing, then traps (because some maps truly allow to kill enemies with it), third shield all allies (2-5x E strength with this, it's one of the strongest talents in the game I think), monstrosity (much better than the other imo, just harder to use), w heal (super good for monster/ally) and. movement speed.
The idea behind monstrocity is that you keep it alive multitasking lanes/champs pulling it back to avoid it getting killed, and drop it onto enemy backlane in teamfights and then switch to an ally to dps/tank/zone. Hard to pull off, very rewarding if you do. This is more dps than any character you can copy with the other R, seeing as you lose your qwe damage as you use it, so the damage is not actually that high.
(but ofc you can push lanes and forts/defend better with it like usual if you don't want to tf).
it's fun. You soak maximize potential/second. Soak 3 lanes, initiate camps, join all teamfights and push buildings, ultimately getting something like 90% kill participation with 20k exp contribution and heal/damage equal to most on your team. At 20 one aoe stun and monstrocity solos everything, can 100% zone off healers and what not.
Ofc, as for gameplay, Quick tapping rqwer is faster cooldowns than not, but the 4 second cd still forces you to use body to z soak lanes. Staying on a character might not be optimal cause of this, I find a lot of people just hat someone, wasting cds. Trap slows can be better sometimes.
Those are my thoughts. But I've yet to see anyone play like this. Not fanhots, no one. :C
One other note on the monstrosity that isn't stated anywhere in-game, is that it has 50 Armor against Towers, Forts, and Keeps (but not the core). Pally talked about keeping aggro on creeps and off monstro to keep it alive, but you can usually deal more damage to buildings by facetanking with the monstro to keep archer minions alive for longer. Need to keep an eye on the minimap to pull back before a hero comes and deals with you though.
Also, killing minions doesn't just grant stacks of +HP and +Atk: dying minions continue to heal the monstro for that 2% of max HP apiece. If a teamfight is happening in or near lane and your monstro is participating, you can dip nearby for a quick +28% heal from the seven minions in a wave.
Genuinely don't understand why Clone is the more popular ult over Monstrosity. Clone has a limited lifespan, usually not even the duration of a teamfight where as Monstrosity lasts as long as you need it to. Monstrosity can hit just as hard as a clone if not harder, you can hat the monstrosity, which means you can heal it and buff it as needed, and if (when) the enemy leaves it alone it can take an entire lane singlehandedly. Hell after 40 stacks it can even take camps with minimal issue. Because of the sheer flexibility and staying power I pick it over clone 99% of the time.
Level 70-something Aba here. My thoughts as to why Clone is generally preferred:
1. Versatility. You are 100% correct in that monstrosity can 1v1 targets if stacked. It can dominate a lane/structures. However, that's like all it can do. Clone is Much more versatile. Need more burst? Clone Jaina. Is one of your squishies being bursted down? Clone Healer/Tank to survive the burst.
2. Spell power: The attack damage buff is fine, but the spell power buff on Clone can be Really good. I mentioned Jaina; anyone who does a load of spell damage in a burst is a great clone target. Jaina is great because all she does is offense so the spell power hits well, but other mages can work well. The attack damage buff is nice as well, but the spell power and burst is wonderful.
3. Monstrosity is redundant: Aba is Really good at pushing/macro. Monstrosity just makes you better at doing that. Which can be fine! But if I wanted to bolster my push power, I'd rather just take hat talents and be efficient with my Q or take locust talents.
4. Clone 16/20 can be nuts. If you pick a tanky diver (Chen, Muradin, Sonya, etc.), you can get a lot of value out of Volatile Mutation at 16 and the Clone upgrade at 20. To be clear, this is generally not the play. Most of the time you'll get more mileage out of other talents. However, when it works it's pretty legit.
5. Clone is usually where you need it when you need it. Monstrosity isn't always. Yes, you can Z, but you can't mount. If you aren't on top of your rotations and Z CD, and you want Monstrosity somewhere specific (say, a team fight), it's gonna take you a Long time to get there. Also, you can't give monstrosity a move command, un-hat, do something somewhere else, then go back to Monstrosity. You Have to keep the hat on. Which cripples your ability to do macro elsewhere on the map.
6. Two small things: One, Clone has a shorter CD. Yes, Monstrosity can have higher up time, but once it goes down you're waiting a while. Second, there is a niche Clone application. It's a shorter amount of time to R than to Z. So if you're in danger/being dove, you can pop R to get out. If the enemy is smart, they know you'll come back (it's a different animation versus your Z) but not everyone does.
In defense of monstrosity: one of Aba's best talents is his level 20 double hat. When you have to decide between clone and hatting, it feels bad. That's not an issue with monstrosity. Also, if you're coordinated and have a Really strong four man on the right map, Monstrosity can absolutely wreck.
Most of the time, clone will yield greater returns.
Since when can monstruosity tunnel at lvl 10? I havent played hots since 2018 but it used to be a lvl 20 talent.
Tunnel at lvl 10 is a game changer, if you feed it until it gets fat and keep it alive, you only need to tunnel it in the middle of a TF and it becomes a HUGE issue for the enemy team.
Then if you go hat build you can give it movement speed and atack speed. at lvl 20 it used to hit for about 500HP and fast as fuck.
You Can Burrow your monstro back into the well and heal it up that way if it's close to death FYI :).
You know, I never thought about using the well for the Monstrosity.
@@cavendishbandana8706 it doesnt heal monstrosity. you can only heal monstrosity with abathur e
@@goobydoobers501 And by killing minions nearby.
@@goobydoobers501 it does.
@@goobydoobers501It does heal it bruh
Love some Abathur play! When are you going to finish the A-Z playthrough with the Cho'Gall?
Pally you think you can get an entire team together to do a bunch of winion builds?
Namely raynor, xul, abathur (monstrosity and locusts), zagara and maybe kerrigan or probius
I think it would be super funny to just beat the enemy team only pure macro
You reminded me of the days when Zagara and Abathur were BROKEN. When they could just back door and the ranged Locusts would outrange towers and just wittle them down.
@@tommysuter4053 those were the days
Personally I like the Spike Burst range/cooldown talent early and the heal host per Hero hit by Spike Burst late. This is especially strong when you get to 2 targets. Just inject yourself into your bruiser(s) every fight, tip the balance in your direction, then move on to the next fight. And while there are clearly situations where Ultimate Evolution is better, I always prefer Monstrosity. With the above talents I can usually solo most squishies with it late game, and even force quite a few bruisers to back off if they want to live.
If you use the mount (z) on the monster and put it in the core, it will heal to full
If you bring monstrosity back to hearth it will heal
So many years of great content, Pally. The perfect personality for this type of content as well
I always love to see my favorite hero being played!
Everytime a big team fight happened, you souned like an excited caster at an Esports event and I loved every bit of it!
People aren't just picking Abby ults based on map?
Small map, Ultimate Evolution. Big map, Evolved Monstrosity.
Use Ultimate Evolution to fight for objectives when appropriate or to clean up.
Use Evolved Monstrosity in the furthest lane from an objective that's about to start, then push as hard as you can with it until people come to stop it. When they come, dig out to the furthest away lane and push that. This forces the enemy team to either waste the time to travel across the entire map again, or fall back to defend the waves that are crashing.
I can't imagine why people would favor UE on anything but a small map when all it does is waste the time that you could be micromanaging and dominating lanes.
Because once you use it once it forces the enemy team to consider that any fight you can ultimate and suddenly they are fighting 2 instead of 1. This forces them to play much more defensively and not use some abilities.
On larger maps this is just as effective because it takes longer to navigate the map meaning you have it more frequently relative to how often people see it and in turn makes anything other then 5v4s a bad idea while in a 5v4 where you Ult you can also be pushing another lane.
I prefer Monstrosity.
I love Evolve Monstrosity :-)
Great game!
I usually like to go monstrosity when I'm going a more symbiote based build to handle waves when I'm sporting the team with my shields and extra poke.
Whereas if I went more map control perks like nest buffs and locust buffs I like to go clone to commit to key team fights.
just wanted to add shield at 7 is really good for lane pushing as well, your monstrosity will set up huge waves when pushing especially with the lvl 1 talent you took
Monstrosity Is more of a win more ult like hammer's rocket. It only really works if their team doesn't have strong split pushers When it is maxed out it can legit solo most non dueling champs in the game of equal level. as well as just working just like a merc camp, keeping at lest one lane pushed in at all times. Many vikings maps he works great on. It is really power on immortals to an disgusting degree due to people letting it free push most of the time, if they don't then move to the other side of the map and eat up 15-25 secs of them riding to attack it.
10:15 i wish my parents showed that much enthusiasm to the things I do in my life
Found u again, years!!!
4got ur name and it poped at recomended.
That vala and diablo were very good
I actually enjoy watching these Abathur videos so much more than I thought I would lol
Ah, I noticed that you've been making videos in sets of three for a while, thanks for making a playlist out of them.
Slapping the enemy core as Abathur is always so much fun.
abathur attack speed bonus with varian as duel wield build is a nuts combo, Id recommend
And here i thought I can see some Slapathur at the end.
3:16 some appreciation for the mounted body block?
Zaga and aba are def my 2 favorite characters in this game i love summoners who can get a whole army of minions
side note pally you can Z your ulti to the altar to heal it to full
Now that is some grand master abathur play.
Thank you for the monstrosity representation! I always went monstrosity + hat dps and it shreds!
I think its important to stress that winrates don't account for skill level, so though monstrosity may have a higher winrate I think that's skewed by the community in general being fairly low skill.
Heroic evolution requires the abathur to know the abilities of all the heroes on their team to play effectively, while monstrosity requires the enemy team to have good map pressure and map awareness for them to deal with. If they were perfectly "balanced" then I would expect monstrosity to have a higher winrate.
10:10 always nice to watch a good apoc.
I'm just so happy you're back❤
I use monstrosity because I get a body to use and help the Team more and it's usefull in team fights.
The only character I play. One game on someone else because of the tutorial. Like over 100 games. I would love to play hat for you anytime I am available pally. Not the best but good with directions.
I personally enjoy evolved monstrosity more if he kills enough minions it can do suprising damage and is a excellent push tool
Always, next question.
Yaaaaay we need more slapatruther
Monstrosity is my preferred talent for abby, great video pally
I sure love me some Abathur, hoping to see some siege Abby soon
Wasn’t there an ability that buffed minions health and movement speed from the soldier 76-like hero? I wonder if you can combine those.
Ya raynor can go a minion build, what I am thinking is see if you can go full winions on everyone and just either avoud teamfights or only take especially favorable ones.
Kerrigan with tarrasque upgrade
Zagara full minion build and nydus network
Abathur evokve monstrosity with maybe a minor locust build baked in between
Raynor with the minion inspire buff and extra damage to seige camps
And finally xul for his minion passive.
This could be so annoying but so funny at the same time. Depending on a few factors kerrigan is probably the one you could most easily rotate out for someone else. But to me the idea of just overpowering the enemy with sheer number of minions and global presence sounds hilarious.
It's been so long since I've watched or even played HOTS but since starting to rewatch I decided to re-download and pick it back up. Haven't played since launch so let's see how rusty I am
I think its time we got a Chen Deep Dive. 👍
I always use monstrosity, it's so fun to play with if you symbiote it
Realistically, is there any situation where you would go to locust build? Just full push and shove towers as hard as you can?
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I typically go locust build if I notice my team has a really strong team fight, but is lacking in macro potential. Especially if they're really strong, self-sufficient heroes that can handle 4v5 fights decently well with minimal support from you. You do have to pay more attention to the minimap and enemy rotations though, otherwise you are very likely to die when they come after your body - or you deep-tunnel at a really bad time, like right before an enemy rotates to that lane.
I _avoid_ locusts if the enemy team has really strong lane push though. Hammer, Nazeebo, Zagara, Xul, etc, will just clown on your poor little locusts most of the time. Global heroes like Rag and even Air-Muradin can be a problem as well.
@@MFPallytime well I'm eagerly awaiting
Fun fact: Rehgar can heal Abathur's Monstrosity with his Q!
I just cant see Monstrosity being good unless your team can handle the 4 V 5 situation without your monster for a few "level up waves" of minions to buff the monster to PVP levels.
Over all I feel like the clone offers far more utility since you can clone whoever role will benifit the most in that particular team fight. need to get more CC, tank, or bruiser, need some burst, you know who to hit, need to really hard drive the enemy healer, BAM, need to actually hyper carry heals? got project for that too~!
me picking evolve monstrosity because im like mmmmmm that looks cool
Monstrosity burrow uses your burrow cooldown, I think
Edit: Nevermind, Pally figured it out.
I have not played in a hot minute, pun not intended, but I preferred to choose the monster, push those lanes
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14:20 top lane megapush with a merc camp during OBJ; missed opportunity. Good to see the slug getting some action though.
Been forever since I had hots on my feed. Does this game get updates or is it dead? I really miss the unique ideas that went into the game and not knowing what crazy shit blizzard would put out next. Variety was fun.
The fact there isnt an Abathur skin that makes his symbiote an actual top hat is criminal
A bit late but. It would be Dappertur xD
Hi bro! Do you think hots will arrive on steam?
Nope
i follow you when you play with the tgn squadron and remember the funny moments haha greetings from chile..abby great but dificulty character.
Don't do it Pally...
Don't make me play Abathur...
2 matches with Fox as sonya as you abathur?!?!
Monstrous
monstrosity! love to see it!
Do you play on US MFpally?
What i hate about monstro is how the towers take priority on it. The thing can barely take a punch and you get DESTROYED by towers as soon as they see you EVEN if there are heroes arround. That is bullshit.
"Almost every game" at 60% is just not how statistics works.....
That's 'almost' like saying a coin lands on heads 'almost' everytime.
Yayyy thanks for more waaabathur
How can he slap!?!?
when is your next LoL vid i enjoy them too =P
MfRemnantTime posting other games ?! ;)
Hope to keep up the new upload schedule
I do miss playing diablo.. those aggressive initiations were so much fun
How can she slap!?
Damn don't make me reinstall this game. This looks so fun, but I can't take another heartbreak.
Just let me slap bro!
why does abathur have an eye lmao
Great game. WP.
Personally, the answer to this question in the title for me is “never”. It can have its moments, but in my experience, the monstrosity is often a game losing choice. Abathur players that use it focus too much on it and baby it too much. This ends up hurting the team in the long run, again in my experience. To pull it off, you need to know when to pop it, have an enemy team that ignores it and know when to baby it and when to let it die. Not enough players knew how.
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pally, love ya but can really tell you don't play abby xDD you got so lucky that you didn't have an enemy team that was aware of your existence,
as an abby main, all i can really suggest to do more is be more aggressive with your body and use mines as warning signals.
Monstrosity
Ababbababa
Bro. You actually have eSports caster energy. Have you considered pursuing this?
why you are giving tips on this game. After many years of playing, you are still extremely silver / bronze player with your abilities. Like, dude. You dont know even basics of character you do play. Just stop.
Defo too weak opponents.
I loved abas back in the day.
god I wish this game wasn’t dead. 🥲