Ben Husthwaite on what's wrong with clayshooting
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2018
- Ben Husthwaite speaks out: how come anyone can be a shooting instructor? what can the CPSA do better? what's the point of pattern plates? (don't expect modesty!).
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Like him or hate him he says it as it is. Straight talking always makes sence.
Completely agree. Especially with the likes of certain individuals who tell their students to swap shoulders, don't look at barrels, don't think where the clay is going 🙄
Those combinations are a Brewster for a catastrophe.
First time I’ve ever heard or seen Ben, but boy, what a refreshing outlook on the sport and coaching.
If I wasn’t 67, I’d be making an appointment for shooting lessons with him to get more of his advice, both verbal and practical.
I have a lot of respect for Ben, he tells it like it is and has a great vision for the sport. I like the fact tht he focusses on processes and not on results, it makes the best difference ever.
I like his videos, and I agree with a lot of what he says, particularly about the pattern plates. I have patterned shotguns before, and it never really helped me be a better clay shooter. I couldn't tell you where my clays hits on a pattern plate, but I do know when everything looks right and I pull the trigger, the clays break. Also, I could not take lessons from Ben, as much as I think he does a great job, because the way he teaches and the way I learn are almost polar opposites.
As a new shooter this surprised me, there is more to coaching than being good at a sport. Fully agree with Ben there should be more recognised coaching qualifications. I come from Kayaking where there are a number of levels of coach both technical and sport related and as a coach I had clear guide lines on what level I could coach and exam, and what types of kayak and water I could coach with / on.
Harvey Penick was a so-so golfer but is considered one of the best golf coaches and instructors that was ever associated with the game. There are many professional golfers out there that couldn't teach a fish how to swim. I've watched Ben Husthwaite instruct on TH-cam a little and it looks like he's probably an outstanding shotgun instructor, but it's his fundamental understanding of the game and shooting process that makes him so, not his many world championships he likes to mention.
Wow! that makes so much sense what Ben said about pattern plate's. I think CPSA have there own way to do thing's and don't like being told. I wish I could afford lesson's off Ben.
I shoot pattern plates has different cartridges pattern differently
I’m a fan of Ben and I shoot at the same club as him, but I don’t entirely agree with the pattern plate remarks. I think it’s a good idea to get a rough idea of the of the POI and if it’s simply high or low based on where you point the gun. After that, totally agree that you should work on some going away trap birds. I only shoot DTL and ABT and without a pattern plate I would still be shooting under the bird. My point is, a pattern plate is a quick easy method of getting a rough idea, which can then be fine tuned on the stands
A pattern plate is extremely important in determining POI - that is, for gun fit. A shotgun has to fit and "fit" means it shoots where you're looking EVERY TIME. I personally don't believe in analyzing "patterns" ( that is, how the pellets distribute on a plate). I think that is a waste of time because you're shooting a cloud of pellets, not a two dimensional plane. If pellets came out of the end of the barrel and all lined up and went forward in a single plane, NO ONE could break 10 fifty yards crossers in a row.
Ben, I agree with you if you AIM at a plate and shoot it. That tells you nothing other than may be whether or not your barrels on an o/u or sxs are regulated. But if you mount and shoot at a dot on a plate at 20 yards 3-4 times as if you were shooting that 20 yard trap shot you mention, the distribution of your shot on that plate absolutely will tell you whether your gun fits. A good stock man can look at that distribution on the plate and bend that wood to make it shoot ABSOLUTELY where you point.
Our shooting programs for both NSCA and NSSA have this. Unfortunately when you are looking for a coach there are very few following this instruction out there. In the state of California we have less then 10 level one, and no higher class instructors in the state. Having a standard program hasn’t gotten us there.
Interesting views on the patterning board.
I think all shooting disciplines would do well to look at Archery GBs model for training. It is no perfect but it has all of the structure and mechanisms in place to give people a solid grounding in a new sport.
Ben might be polarising with his opinions but to me he makes sense and I think he comes across as someone who would be a great coach.
i love his advice its , common sense when Ben explains it
Great video for this week, thanks for sharing and best regards from Down Under.
Interesting comments on the Pattern Board. However, as experienced as Ben is, he is down playing this crucial step,,,,in gaining confidence with a new shotgun and/or new shooter. I've never needed to "pattern" my 525 that has had who knows how many rounds down the tube, however, every shotgun I have, 20+, have all been patterned and fiddled with or had adjustable combs installed to shoot where I want them to.
I could very well be wrong and apologize if I am. I think that a pattern plate can be a good tool if used well. You sound like the type of shooter that's not only made a study of shotgun shooting but also has the experience and training to be able to actually use a pattern plate well.
Ben may well be relaying a good amount of what he's seen at clubs where shooters without a good amount of experience or the shooter that read/heard how "all serious shooters use a plate" and suddenly he/she is chasing something they don't have a decent grasp of. Just a thought.
Agree with some of his points, but not all shooting is CPSA based and there are other shooting Instructor Associations out there with many instructors only coaching to their abilities and do pass pupils on if required.
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Enjoyed this, it is barking that CPSA aren't making use of the top shooters and instructors to improve the sport and us as shooters. Also glad to hear Ben's thoughts on pattern plates and i agree but would like to know what testing Ben does with game cartridges ?
I wish he could spend time in Dallas Fort Worth.
I love Ben Husthwaite, I watch all his videos! I learn so much from him!
IMHO the ShotKam is one of best training aids
I agree Ben, they should listen to you Guys to help the sport
He's right about bad tips in the sport, and I just heard another. Great shooters aren't always the greatest instructors.
3:59 “youth will start driving and find women” … how true! that happened to me 🤣….
Now some 40 years later I’m now finally restarting my journey in the sport.
I'm going to compare my 3 sports. Waterskiing, shooting, golf. The biggest struggle is I could do it when I was a kid because Dad liked the sports and paid to have his kids time occupied. Then in HS and at uni you had peers who did some access but from grad through marriage and kids you leave. It's expensive your time is valuable/demanded. Getting people in their 20s to remain involved is key. Big issues become costs when paying for school car house new in a career it's daunting. Building in formats where q round of clays doesn't cost half a day pay, where you can do a quick league night and grab a beer works for that age who then can afford a club membership once they age up in their career
well said .
I find that funny as someone who has never patterned a shotgun but still has no idea what different chokes do. I feel like I should know but I’m just too lazy to drag the target out to the range 😂.
Well said 🤙
Agree with Ben , loads of so called coaches out there that have not got the faintest idea on how to teach someone to shoot
Ben You are just great.World class master.
Patterning matters for hunting loads.
For clays it seems silly, but knowing how a specific load hits at what range is important when hunting geese, ducks, or pheasants.
Need to be careful, or elitism will creep in and it could lead to coaches asking sky high prices for beginners, with no guarantee of better service.
Shootings Guy Martin!
Never mentions digweed
I don't think the CPSA would go to him, because didn't he get disqualified from the CPSA?
Ben come coach us here in kenya.
@@precisionairguns5553 😂😂spot on 👌 couldn't even make it to bedfordshire, did he let you down as well ?
He's right about pattern plates and consistent breaks. New shooters, nearly 100% of the time, have little control over the gun as it becomes time to send it. This is true in every discipline but hardmount benchrest. A pattern plate is hardly a diagnostic activity and is misapplied. Consistency is key, and if you consistently miss with the same consistent strategy, that's scientific and diagnosable.
Its about integrity really. If someone has the guts to say right you’re better than me now, go. There would be a lot more people in clay shooting because they feel they can have an official time when learning.
The main issue is to be good you have to shoot at least 100 birds once a week to enjoy it and improve. Other sports are are cheaper and more done more often like playing rugby 2/3 times a week. Gym the same. But to shoot you need money, more than averge joe if it was cheaper for cartridges and clays more would shoot. Buyinga gun is cheap enough though.
In general I agree with what he’s saying but not about using a patterning plate for GUN FIT! Worthless for everything else but I’ve seen too many instances where four mount-shoot shot at a spot 16 yards from the shooter shows where the gun is impacting versus where the shooter is looking. Some simple stock adjustments and voila, the shotgun FITS!
Anybody know what's going on with his website? It's locked out, something claming fraud/debt?
His Ex is taking him to the cleaners.....he owes her a fortune! Lol what goes around hey!
As usual the man from IOM is wrong as usual z...
And charge people to do tests and become members not improving the standard but someone gets rich off the back of other people's hard work same as every other sport or industry. Stinks!
The man talks a lot of sense
There are great shots who are poor instructors or full of ego. There is also a difference between instructors and coaches. Similarly there is a pricing difference. Ben would be too expensive and probably not the best to get someone new shooting. However, if a serious competitor needs to be taken to the next level, someone like Ben has a place.
How wrong you are. He is average price in the UK and cheaper than a lot of poor quality instructors and from experience, saw my issue within 2 shots, what 5 other instructors, didn't see in an hour each. He also caters for all skill levels.
I think the sport is ok . The cpsa do a great job. We don't need bad advice.
He's a no nonsense guy....only favorable to those who can handle truth not opinion. But...there's multiple ways to get to the same spot. Think for yourself
I dont think every Olympic champion would agree on his pattern plate idea.
A good sportsman can shoot anything .
I am a intrutor i done it all my life mainly kids this stuff is fun you dont have right to tell people anything its fine no regulation this is fun ben i want to miss some to me its fun you take it to seriously but you want to make prefect and that good for 90 persent they just want fun
I've watched the videos from top gun makers using an adjustable try gun to get the stock dimensions right for a customer.
Is all that just a waste of time and money?
Yes
Didweed comes from where i come from he shot birds at a young age i was allways told clays were a waste of money he shot piegions just like all of us george didn't have lessons no one did it was fun for people in the 70 i dont shoot competitions costs to much have my own clay shoot and im happy with my 80 persent never had a lesson know 6 people that later on did and it just confused them
The only thing wrong with ben is his ego i suprised he can get though a door im lucky to me its fun dont want to be world champion just enjoy it and pick at each othe i love his laughter
A successful competitor does not necessarily make a great instructor, it's often the opposite. I'd like to know what training Ben has had to instruct as in what recognised teaching methods does he employ. If the answer is he has not had any "Instruction training", then this video is a joke, frankly.
SuperBigmike40 now that is some funny BS right there big mike !! As the most successful coach in shooting sports I’d say I’m adequately qualified
@@benhusthwaite9884 so thats a no in terms of training you have had to teach? Not disputing your shooting ability but a good coach gets training in how to coach others and to continuously improve on that teaching.
SuperBigmike40 would be a yes ... I work with the number 1 teaching system in the academic system. And I teach the head of that !!
SuperBigmike40 and showing a distinct lack of knowledge of the sport here only good coaches in shooting are good shooters
Sounds like Ben crushed the interviewer's world with regards to his thinking on pattern plates. You could feel is frown...lol
Buyer Beware? Let the free market function!
One guy's opinion...
well he is cocky, but he's also right.
I'm a 57 yr old that's shot more shells than anyone
What makes you the one that knows what is wrong with everyone else
I probably my shot more shells than u before I was 15
making a big deal about a tiny problem
Why is he laughing? I didn't get the joke.
He implies that those who are cpsa level 1 have limited knowledge
We need to do something about cheats and people who bribe the regulatory bodies.
Also keyboard wankers who hide on here typing nonsense that they make up. Love to meet u in person
What’s Wrong are the Cheaters.
Got caught cheating at the World English at Northbrook over the summer. He was changing numbers on the score card.
@@speedytoo Is it true he's been banned from all competitions in the US and the UK because of it?
@@benshort519 yeah funny that
@@SuperBigmike40 Funny that he was quick to reply to your comments on coaching, but the cheating has fell on deaf ears? 😉🤙
What makes you s0 special
Does this guy crave attention or what? My God, get rid of some of the ego.
Agreed, what a dick!
My son won a lesson with him as his prize for winning a shoot off. He was 13 at the time and very excited at the prospect,,,,,, countless emails not one reply I asked the guy who owns The clay ground were this so called lesson was supposed to take place wtf was going on and he said That's typical Husthwaite. Gave up and got a lesson for him with Ed S Solomon what a great guy best money I ever spent, still pisses me off though 9 years later, why donate your services an not Honour them ? Have to agree with both of you.
This guy is proven CHEATER