Champion pool cycling quite literally saved my ranked journey. I was a Rek Sai one trick, very much aligned with the assassin version of her when they reworked the champion. I was unable to adapt, emotionally distraught about them destroying a playstyle I enjoyed, and was hardstuck 400lp below my previous rank because of it. It was time to try something new, so I picked up Kayn and Wukong as main champions (Kayn for very obviously good blue kayn games since I already knew how to play assassin). Wukong was a great mindset refresher. I was obviously not going to be good at wukong in the beginning, so my brain was able to relax and look at my basic champion mistakes. I focused heavily on champion mastery, and this taught me how to play a bruiser in the jungle. After 70ish games on Wukong, I revisited Rek Sai and it immediately clicked. I now know how to play Rek Sai as a bruiser, as the changes were intended, and within 2 weeks I shot right back up to Diamond. I wanted to quit when they changed Rek Sai. Honestly I was not having fun, I was tilted every game and could not bring myself to focus on my gameplay. I wanted the things that used to work on Rek Sai to still work, I couldn't accept reality when playing the champ anymore. Getting a fresh new perspective from other champions renewed my enjoyment of the game, genuinely.
Im not even playing league, im playing DOTA 2 but the concepts (3 blocks, reviewing, champ pool and champ mastery etc.) you guys teach are still applicable not even dota 2 but to competitive FPS aswell that's why im tuning in and pretend you guys talking about DOTA 2 lmao. Someday gonna try League because the way you talk about it make me wanna play it too
I came from dota2, and i remember AUI2000 video on anti mage completely opening my eyes about the game like 10 years ago, he was showing by not turning up to a teamfight, an anti mage player could have gotten 1000+gold and a tower on the map, so even if he came and got 2 kills, it wouldnt be worth it. He was the first "analytical" player i encountered anyway. Now i've moved to league for last 2 years (10 years casual-ish dota before, around low divine i'd say) because my friendgroup is all in league. I'm learning many of the lessons that i knew from dota that i forgot i even knew, like knowing "your job" in a teamfight, not throwing spells out as soon as i have them, waiting for my opponent to use an ability before i use mine. It's crazy how just playing the game i knew so much with little process
It's a small thing that was mentioned towards the end, but huge. "You can be a mechanically oriented player with a mechanically simple champion". I've had Miss Fortune in my pool since the beginning of the season and this is sort of the direction I chose to take with her. Using Q at the right time to reset love taps results in tons of damage and it actually takes some skill to find the right time to do it in teamfights. Also using move speed to move into the range of abilities that could cancel ult, bait them out, then punish with ult when those abilities are now on CD.
This was probably the best episode yet. I’m coming up on 2 years of following the podcast and have been playing since season 8. Thank you both so much for educating and MOTIVATING me to continue my JG journey through Emerald towards Diamond.
Hi coaches! When champion cycling, would you guys recommend start playing the new champ directly in ranked and just take the inevitable LP drop, or should we practice the new pick beforehand in normals or in an alt account?
I agree with Shaco. 1 tricking him when I played PC was so detrimental to me learning the game. I was decent at him but terrible in the jungle role as a whole until I picked up Rammus, Vi, and J4.
You can even do with flexible pick that fit a specific playstyle instead of choosing just via the archetype. For example, what I'm doing is playing champs that can start fights in a snap second and have damage to win them. So my champ pool fits an assassin like Diana, ad bruisers like Jarvan, Jax or Xin, and damage tanks like Zac. They belong in different archetypes, but they all fit that purpose of being the engage for the team, but don't rely on the team following up to win through those engages
1:10:35 if you ask me, i think it's when you lose interest on studying the champion you're learning. more specifically, when you dont want to watch other people playing your champion to see what they'll do in a situation compared to what you would do. im an otp fizz player and im always interested on watching what people will do in the laning phase, especially when i have a theory about how a match up should be played
Before I even watch this, I remember this topic being such a can of worms for me, I have so often tried to min max a "perfect champion pool" in my head, trying to think it all through even before playing, then committing for said champ(s) for a set amount of games, then jumping on to the next one, likely before I had properly learned the ropes on the first champ. When I did this, I would often seek validation from different sources, including this podcast and Nathan and Curtis' other content, but also a wide variety of voices in the comminity for better or worse. This combined with my tendency of gravitating towards (super)hard champs is probably why I find it easier to always have a "one trick" mindset when learning a champ, since then I don't need to overthink drafts and counterpicks and the like, and just jump in to every game with the same champ until I feel ready to move on. Interested to see your takes after putting some of my own thoughts down, and maybe I'll edit below what I found helpful/interesting from the vid itself, but if nothing else at least this boosts up the ol' youtube algo and whatnot. Thanks for keeping up the consistent uploads, hyped for 200 episodes very soon! Edit* A couple of things to add, like you explored, I would either switch champs too fast or stick to one champ too long. I would also be very rigid about my decisions in relation to my champs, so I would not listen my gut and thus felt forced to stick into a champ past it's "expiration date". Takeaways for me currently learning mid (I haven't plateued yet so hard to say what rank I'll be, currently hovering around p4-p3), I'll go ahead with the assassin pool goal, currently working with Akali and maybe pickup Zed or Talon later on and likely 2 trick for the time being.
Hi guys and the community, i've been following several "informative" channels regarding improving while also trying to have phun. I Thank u all for the work u put into this My case is i ve playing since season 3, started as jg, i've played a lot of champions and roles, and during season 9 transitioned to mid lane. I love control mages, so i've played a fuck ton of zoe, taliyah, syndra, TF etc. But i've always had a weak spot for complex champion and during a time (and untill today) i also ('ve) tried zed. And all that u guys just said resonated hard with me cause, even though i may have had the basics combos and laning, i never could understand the identity of zed, and during the mid game id just plain out suck, even if i got fed during the early game. Only as of recently zed has started to "click" slightly. (i wont ever say that i've mastered anything due to me being low elo) i've played recently a lot of hwei (like 50 games). My question is, given the fact that i've been playing so long (i might have like 250 + games on each of the before mentioned champs)... Is it that bad for me to try and improve on say "zoe, zed, hwei" and have like a couple more champs as a "reserve" or this "champion cycling"? and also, do you need to pick those champions consecutively (no matter what, be it comps, counter matchups etc) for actual improvement? I am currently plat, and have 2 accs. one i play for "winning" and the other for actual improvement wherein i dont worry as much on the lp gains. (I do enjoy certain "simple" champs, like galio, vex. But i really hate, either Champions like talon which are boring for me or champs like yone/irelia which should not be in the game and yes this is biased). links to both my accounts so that ppl can roast me XD www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Marxismo-LAS/champions www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Socialismo-MARX
I had a funny thing where my first real main was Gnar and since he is so multifaceted I managed to always be able to adapt it according to meta or matchups, appart from being able to be a bruiser, a tank, a diver and a full damage kiting “adc” that, from there, my pool branched out to all sorts of things. The only champs I dont really play are ranged mages but hopefully that changes with Aurora :)
I had to switch from podcast format to the youtube video just to say that the Shyvanna Renekton era had a third top laner in it. Dr. Mundo. Basically teams would pick one of the three and just rotate those 3 in season 4 or 5. And all 3 of them basically could build sun fire and spirit visage and be a menace. It was a wild time.
I’ve been playing ahri(most games), Lux(if ahri is banned), and tristana if my team needs ad. Been pretty successful I’m hopefully going to hit gold soon
@@stinker6784 my biggest op at university just made fun of me for being silver. Once my finals are over. I’m going to grind mid lane nonstop every single day 0 breaks. I’ll be working 3 full time jobs. While at my valet job, every piece of downtime will be spent studying vods, while at the gym (second full time job) every rep I’ll think about my league losses, and while playing league (third full time job), ill play with 200% focus and have my high elo friends coaching me. I’m coming for you Lucas stay safe in plat while you still can
33:00 Shen lanes pretty normally pre-6 and absolutely deals dmg in lane and even post-6. It's only in mid-late game where he's full tank and kind of eh (but if he's ahead and itemizes stuff like Heartsteel, Titanic, Sunfire, etc. he absolutely can slap an ADC's head off just fine). The weirdest thing is that he's balanced by having really terrible wave clear. If you compare a lot of the other "global ult" type champs they all have a range limit to their global presence but have wave clear to access their roam timers.
I dunno if it has been discussed before, but how would you guys recommend developing a champ pool when placed in a secondary role/autofilled? I feel that this happens often enough, especially with roles such as mid and top, that if you don't develop a champ pool it is an automatic LP loss. At the same time, practicing these champs/roles would mean less time on the main role. How should this be dealt with?
In my case I have been playing the game for years, I play mostly Zed and Yasuo (yasuo not so much anymore). I have to say I spent 2 seasons only learning Zed and finding that the champ is a lot a lot more complex that I first thought It was but once you get the General Idea of it (I consider my self to still be learning the champ) it sky rockets in winrate. I belive that is the trade for learning those champs, you get locked into them and lose a lot but once it clicks even if you are not the high elo master the champion will start to show you why it's so hard, you have all the answers and only 4 abilities, ergo you need to think outside of "its a dash" "my ult is for the ADC", etc, etc.
Champ pool has always been something I have struggled with so I appreciate these kinds of videos, and you two always bring up great points that make me think. I am a Jungle Main since Season 9. Took a break after season 10 and came back tail end of last season and have not appreciated all the jungle changes but am just chugging through. I main Briar, Vi, and Volibear but have two pocket picks for when my team comp is lacking. Shyvanna if I am solo AP only (I skip this even if we only have an AP support) and if we lack hard engage with a killy enemy team I will play Zac. I have always struggled to limit my pools since I love playing all kinds of champs, so this has been the best I have gotten it so far.
Saltu member here! I'm getting close to 200 Lillia games in ranked, and I'm just not able to play that many ranked games a week on her anymore. I want to add another champion into my pool, but so far I've not been that inspired by any of the options (except Corki jungle but Nathan told me off for that one). My solution for now has been mixing it up playing some toplane on my other account, to work on off-role, so I don't lose my mind. Will be interesting to see what my journey turns into later down the line. Will I stick with my Lillia OTP journey, or branch off playing classics like Trunle, Zac and Amumu? Will I find another wildcard champion to add to my pool? Will I go back to being a fill player? You never know what might happen, but that's exciting. If anyone has suggestions, feel free to put them in replies 😸
as a top laner in low diamond closing onto 200 games on garen top with a 44-46% wr, and feeling mehh about champ cycling, this has really helped me decide to start trying this, hopefully this will help me be a better player and be able to bring back garen at some point
even as a dota player I keep coming back to this podcast finding some episodes fully useful and great for me as an emerald dota player thanks allot guys!!!
Fascinating fascinating video. I would always recommend playing a bit of aram to everyone. While its obviously not league, and it doesnt do anything for jungle feel, you will still be exposed to perspectives of the game you normally wouldnt have learned. like, if youre an adc player, you might roll a tank. something youd never play otherwise.
Interesting topic and something that hits close to home as my introduction to league was through Braum, Teemo and Heimer, later moving on to Illaoi when she released and OTPing her for the longest time. I totally agree with the messaging that some champions do not effectively teach the game of League of legends as a lot of what I learnt form these characters wasn't good for my journey as a player, something that I only realized after I picked up Camille and Aatrox. Suddenly I could efficiently freeze waves and deny CS instead of just pushing and poking under turret. This made top A LOT easier even though I used to play a lane bully I only now realize how efficiently you can lock someone completely out of the game. I would also like to put in a word for an episode on smurfing and what it means for the community. I have a lot of high elo friends that all have at least one smurf. And I find the mentality of these people interesting. Everything from people who clearly do it to boost their ego to people who play their 3 blocks on their main before moving onto a smurf because they know they won't be playing at 100% efficiency. I wonder how things like the social security number being tied to your account on the Korean server changes the mindset of the community in that region. How putting up systems that keeps you accountable for your actions could help change the League community for the better
Man this video dropped just in time. It’s exactly what I needed and wanted to hear you guys talk about. I am 109 games deep in rengar this season and I absolutely love him I’m obsessed with him. But lately I’ve been having like a dry spell with him so I started playing my second favorite jungler khazix. And it just feels so refreshing a needed change if you will. I’m gonna take your advice and make a nice rotation every 70 games like Curtis stated and see how it feels.
Thoughts on short-term vs long-term pools? For instance, I'm trying to build a long-term pool to stick for a couple seasons --> == Ahri, Taliyah, Orianna (If 3v3 is low threat) + Off-role: Neeko Support. I think Neeko support is worse for the short term VS playing something evergreen like Leona or Nautilus, but in the long-term it means my main-role champ pool is much larger and resilient to meta changes. TLDR: is it worth to try use your off-role to extend your main pool (with an off-meta / non-evergreen pick) using flex picks, VS picking a simple evergreen role-champion, but losing that extra champion for your main-role pool long-term?
I think coming to a compromise of enjoying the game is paramount to your league journey. For instance; Xayah is my favorite champion, however she is in a role i don't enjoy even a little bit, so I tried playing her and tried properly learning the role for years, I just couldn't do it, so I tried her mid for a while, it was fine but a lot of people would pick 3 or 4 aa champs with you more often than you would think😅 making it very difficult to play, than low elo noobs think you are a troll and you get camped and griefed, so I than decided to switch to Ahri full time with Xayah as like a backup.
Getting a strong champ pool is good, but first and foremost just follow your whimsy and play the champs you enjoy. If you try to make a pool of champs you don't really like, then it won't stick for you.
About the balanced champ pools: for a long time my most played 4 champs were kai'sa Ezreal Vayne and Lucian. I tried to pick up Jinx I really noticed how many bad habits that were compensated for because I only played this champ archetype. I even dropped from emerald 2 to plat 2 because I am insisting on learning the champ. But I feel that I am becoming a better player gradually since I am learning how to play with out of jail free cards.
38:30 I would like to tell you im at 48.4% winrate on Ryze, at 262 games this split. I fully knew what I was getting myself into and I simply want more.
As an emerald 2-3 average taliyah one trick, who plays her both mid and jungle, I have found of any champ I have ever one tricked she has taught me the most about the entirety of the game. Also, yes I am an outlier. Been playing her since release and for the past three seasons I have hundreds of games with her. The only other champ I have playing hundreds of games on in one season is neeko.
"You will never hear me recommend Fizz" 👌 Bravo! Got a like from me! (Especially as a TF Main) get that shit out of my games! I wish nobody played that trash champ
29:23 imagine learning the game... Yesterday my Supp picked Pantheon, decided to roam to FLASH+Q for stealing my kill in mid (Vladi was 1 autoattack from death and was 120% secured) Later he proceeded to splipush all game, didn't ward a single objective and flame the rest of the team because he thought he was carrying. Imagine learning the game...
My champ pool sucks, like im lvl 500 and my highest champ mastery lvl is lvl 9 on vi, i just get so bored so easily of champs so i swap around, it kinda sucks cause i dont have a character that i am just high mastery in
I learned the game through playing rumble mid. Peaked emerald 2 with over 1000000 mastery. Im trying to add someone to my pool but its so hard to find a similar play style. I find rumble really fun tho
It only makes sense for Renekton to be an evergreen toplaner, after all, millions of years of evolution and being a crocodile is still kind of OP in the nature Meta. Renekton just takes it a few steps further with the bipedal tech and a big blade to go along with it.
I've always struggled to keep a small champ pool because I get bored of feep like I'm troll picking bad comps so I want at least 1AD 1 tank and 1 AP champ. J4 is my default pick with wukong in case it gets banned. Then Skarner and Brand to round out otherwise imbalanced comps. As a sidenote I hover between Emerald 3 and Emerald 1 in EUW. I've mained j4 for 4 seasons and Brand I've mained for most of season 13.
Im going to take ranked seriously for the first time next season, been watching for a year or so (Gold ish Mid player 1st season but i think im low emerald now), I'm going to main Lux/Veigar with Lucian for an AD pick if i really need it, so will be interested to see what these boys say about it, will recomment when i watch the vid. I've been spamming hwei recently in normals because he's just the most fun mage and i do well but i dont think its recommended
I been playing mundo and morde. Not the most similar to each other but i like morde for lower elo stomping where as i like my mundo passive consistney playstyle for plat +
Top laner terminology: Juggernauts! I think this would have been useful when you were talking about top laners that can't jungle, generally it's juggernauts who can't.
This is my biggest problem because I have two champs I primarily play: Jhin and Zoe. I just enjoy their playstyles, and I have trouble adding something to the rotation. That and the primary roles they're expected to be played in are different (bot and mid), which doesn't help either.
Any champ that is useful regardless of resources is evergreen If I play graves and int im basically useless unless the game stalls out If i play j4 i still bring engage can pivot to a tank build etc
Is taliyah a good champ for me (gold) to main? I feel like my mechanics are very average even for gold but I have a high win rate on champs mainly control mages with who I can make big plays. I have been watching league for years and i defo believe my knowledge is higher than this rank so Is taliyah good to make those roams and teamfight plays? Awesome video as always tho 👌
I don't like the idea of being a Neeko OTP but instead a Neeko Main, her whole thing is turning into other champs so the more understanding I have of other champions makes my Neeko disguises better, I like the curious nature of the champion and approaching my climb with a curious mind is what I'm about
Off topic but ive done 0-master runs many times before and its always win 7-8 in a row and lose 2-3 in a row where theres nothing i can do to win (2 or more inters) its quite consistent. Definitely some sus rigging here. Do you guys experience this?
Another reason to play other champs is if you can't beat them and you need to learn their counterplay. I was a sion OTP for years, but I got really frustrated by Fiora. So I went and learned her for the sole purpose of learning how she thinks, so I can beat her. Funny fact is that was how I got into sion. I was a teemo player before but I got really frustrated by sion so I switched and next thing I know I have a million points on sion.
I feel like my champ pool isn't very balanced at all. 😬 I play Lillia and Gwen in the jungle and they are literally the same person sometimes. It's hard, I face a lot of consequences maining only AP bruisers in the jungle and lose in champ select sometimes (enchanter supports and AP mid and top, oof...) It only gets harder the higher elo I go since people know how to invade and shutdown Gwen/Lillia from scaling 😮💨 I have tried Bel-Veth, Briar, Nocturne... but idk, it just doesn't feel right to me. Maybe for my third jungler I shall pick up Mordekaiser 🤪
As champions, have a category in my mind i would say they are a mistake punisher champions. They are just almost always fed in soloQ, too easily getting kills early, and its really just a nightmare to play against them after they get the first 1-2 kills. These champs like Katarina, Hecarim, Belveth, Illaoi, Nocturne, etc. somehow they always fed every match when not banned, and when they fed u really cant do anything against their kit. A fed Katarina will just kill your teammates 1 by 1 every single minute without any effort. Always get fed, because ppl cant play against her, dont know that u have to knock her up or something when she ulted. Illaoi too, ppl just fight her under ult and cant bait it a single time to fight her AFTER she ulted. Literally a lose a lot of matches because my teammates constantly fighting under outplayable situations and just dont understand what they should do to avoid it. Nocturne is another nightmare, every single Nocturne ulti is a dead teammate for us, i cant believe that somebody who died 10 times in a match by that, cant react somehow with items, positioning etc.
I think the fact that jungle can play any archetype in the game is Riot's attempt at making the role more appealing to the most people, like anyone from any role will always have at last one familiar archetype they can play in the jungle. But I honestly think it's totally backwards and makes jungle more intimidating instead, because to really master the role in every meta you now have to master every archetype.
I am a Sejuani main in plat 3 (used to be emerald last split), and I often see people tell me I should swap main when I ask for advice. I didn't really find an answer in this podcast, any thoughts, my fellow summoners?
Not a big sejuani player so obviously take it with a grain of salt but from the games I have played and watched and just my own general knowledge of the champion I think Sejuani is perfectly fine to Main. She is fundamentally always useful for what she is designed to do, simple-"ish" mechanically but with a fairly high skill ceiling. Has a lot of great skirmish potential, Cc, mobility, generally strong ganks, and decently fast clear. The only thing that I find with Sej is that she really prefers to have Top/Mids/Supports that like to pair with her and go in, I find Sejuani incredibly hard and underwhelming when she is the only frontline/engager/fighter on the team so if you have scaling pick top or an artillery mage mid you really have to be cognizant of that and not devote a lot of attention to those lanes because most of the time they would rather just play back and play for waves/plates rather than help you secure the kills or fight for crabs/neutrals
I get what you're saying about sticking to one archetype, but for me, I enjoy switching it up every once in a while. I'm willing to take a bit of a rating dip in order to adjust to a new archetype if my current archetype is burning me out, but that's just me
I was 4 games away from gold on my "hardstuck" account i have 65% winrste on morde and 55% winrate on mundo and i had a 50%+ winrste on mundo in emerald lobbjes on another account.. I lost 4 gamds in silver in a row and i was left extrenely tilted and so pissed im so close to uninstalling the gamr. I was 8/2 on morde and 14/4 on mundo.. Unable to carry inting bot lanr or losing jungler.
1:12:29/ I have every stage 4 issue on this list.. Games makes me so angry becausd i alwayd feel like im 1v9 hypet carry if i go negative at all itd an instant loss in silver. HOWEVER ive had an almost easier time winnjng in plat and emerald lobbies on a new account.. It makes no sense to me. Plat actually feels way more fun to play for me because my teammates are normally good enough to avoid dumb plays and not bait me but also more likely yo carry their own weight or have the potential to carry whereas most silver i play with SUCK so bad to the point NO one carries it comes down to matchmaking and lucky champ comp.
Yall could talk a bit more about people that like certain champions but when they try to play them, they feel bad and never play those champs anymore, for example, me. I tried to main yasuo, qiyana, pyke, and some others. But I'd always get to "that" part of maining them wich I felt like I couldn't have fun with them, everything I tried to do like mechanics and such would just go wrong and I would just give up on them... I am a bit above average player but I feel like I could be much better, but I get stuck on stuff like this that makes me feel trash at the game and not improve...
@@dumpsterplayer2700 I am talking about jungle, so garen is too niche imo, and isnt enough of an assassin to learn assassins with, nocturne has an ult that warps his kit quite a bit, he isnt useful for learning assassins either.
@@novanomi3362 ik its more niche, but have you tried urgot jg at all? from the little I play in jg, I bring my urgot to jg and it feels amazing, he is more bruiser with assassin features with e flash-> kill
I disagree evelynn is strong, in my experience as a toplaner you can easily just invade her on her red at level 3 if you have prio for a ward, or you can just 2v1 her and flash her charm if she ever tries to gank you, her early damage is really weak compared to any toplaner and she will never win in a fight where they arent ccd. I usually am never scared of this champ, I care alot more about tank junglers with strong cc like Zac and Sejuani because it's really hard to deal with their easy ganks and I can't just kill them as a punish for missing their spells.
Well eve if played well is a monster, since she can be anywhere an puts a lot of pressure on every lane just with fact that she has lvl 6, also she does have insane burst and % dmg so she can even deal decent damage to tanks
you can invade brand, kindred, lillia etc at the red, you can just flash the brand stun if he ever tries to gank you. Its not about " there is nothing i can do", its about what you would have to give up to slow her down, i literally would have to leave lane for 45 seconds+ to mess with her, i'll probably lose 12 minions, i'll come back underleveled and losing lane. Even if you were winning lane before and shoved out, you would be down at least a wave
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Champion pool cycling quite literally saved my ranked journey. I was a Rek Sai one trick, very much aligned with the assassin version of her when they reworked the champion. I was unable to adapt, emotionally distraught about them destroying a playstyle I enjoyed, and was hardstuck 400lp below my previous rank because of it. It was time to try something new, so I picked up Kayn and Wukong as main champions (Kayn for very obviously good blue kayn games since I already knew how to play assassin).
Wukong was a great mindset refresher. I was obviously not going to be good at wukong in the beginning, so my brain was able to relax and look at my basic champion mistakes. I focused heavily on champion mastery, and this taught me how to play a bruiser in the jungle. After 70ish games on Wukong, I revisited Rek Sai and it immediately clicked. I now know how to play Rek Sai as a bruiser, as the changes were intended, and within 2 weeks I shot right back up to Diamond.
I wanted to quit when they changed Rek Sai. Honestly I was not having fun, I was tilted every game and could not bring myself to focus on my gameplay. I wanted the things that used to work on Rek Sai to still work, I couldn't accept reality when playing the champ anymore. Getting a fresh new perspective from other champions renewed my enjoyment of the game, genuinely.
Change of perspective is key. Thanks for sharing your journey very insightful
Nice mate!
Awesome story
Im not even playing league, im playing DOTA 2 but the concepts (3 blocks, reviewing, champ pool and champ mastery etc.) you guys teach are still applicable not even dota 2 but to competitive FPS aswell that's why im tuning in and pretend you guys talking about DOTA 2 lmao. Someday gonna try League because the way you talk about it make me wanna play it too
I came from dota2, and i remember AUI2000 video on anti mage completely opening my eyes about the game like 10 years ago, he was showing by not turning up to a teamfight, an anti mage player could have gotten 1000+gold and a tower on the map, so even if he came and got 2 kills, it wouldnt be worth it. He was the first "analytical" player i encountered anyway.
Now i've moved to league for last 2 years (10 years casual-ish dota before, around low divine i'd say) because my friendgroup is all in league. I'm learning many of the lessons that i knew from dota that i forgot i even knew, like knowing "your job" in a teamfight, not throwing spells out as soon as i have them, waiting for my opponent to use an ability before i use mine.
It's crazy how just playing the game i knew so much with little process
Both are great games
Def give league a try its a lot better of a game.
5 episodes away from the big 200, excited to see what you lads have in stock. Would love to see another case study.
It would be crazy if they did a case study of dantes brazil group. That is a bucket of content
what did they do for ep 100?
@@d4s0n282 lots of reminiscing, good laughs and a cheeky mailbag.
It's a small thing that was mentioned towards the end, but huge. "You can be a mechanically oriented player with a mechanically simple champion". I've had Miss Fortune in my pool since the beginning of the season and this is sort of the direction I chose to take with her. Using Q at the right time to reset love taps results in tons of damage and it actually takes some skill to find the right time to do it in teamfights. Also using move speed to move into the range of abilities that could cancel ult, bait them out, then punish with ult when those abilities are now on CD.
This was probably the best episode yet. I’m coming up on 2 years of following the podcast and have been playing since season 8. Thank you both so much for educating and MOTIVATING me to continue my JG journey through Emerald towards Diamond.
Another Great listen, keep it up guys. Love hearing people with healthy mindset and thoughts talk about league.
you getting your flowers this episode too. based
Nice. I'm sure this episode will help a lot of folks on their journey. Champion identity isn't always obvious.
Hi coaches! When champion cycling, would you guys recommend start playing the new champ directly in ranked and just take the inevitable LP drop, or should we practice the new pick beforehand in normals or in an alt account?
Always ranked, always on your main acc
In the Saltu program, just got to Masters for the first time as an OTP Briar. Built different I guess OwO The process is super OP.
Congrats! I hope to follow in your footsteps one day.
I agree with Shaco. 1 tricking him when I played PC was so detrimental to me learning the game. I was decent at him but terrible in the jungle role as a whole until I picked up Rammus, Vi, and J4.
You can even do with flexible pick that fit a specific playstyle instead of choosing just via the archetype. For example, what I'm doing is playing champs that can start fights in a snap second and have damage to win them. So my champ pool fits an assassin like Diana, ad bruisers like Jarvan, Jax or Xin, and damage tanks like Zac. They belong in different archetypes, but they all fit that purpose of being the engage for the team, but don't rely on the team following up to win through those engages
1:10:35 if you ask me, i think it's when you lose interest on studying the champion you're learning. more specifically, when you dont want to watch other people playing your champion to see what they'll do in a situation compared to what you would do. im an otp fizz player and im always interested on watching what people will do in the laning phase, especially when i have a theory about how a match up should be played
Day 1 listener, original kangaroo member was a yas main then, still a yas main now :) 1.2 mil mastery (started in season 9)
Before I even watch this, I remember this topic being such a can of worms for me, I have so often tried to min max a "perfect champion pool" in my head, trying to think it all through even before playing, then committing for said champ(s) for a set amount of games, then jumping on to the next one, likely before I had properly learned the ropes on the first champ. When I did this, I would often seek validation from different sources, including this podcast and Nathan and Curtis' other content, but also a wide variety of voices in the comminity for better or worse. This combined with my tendency of gravitating towards (super)hard champs is probably why I find it easier to always have a "one trick" mindset when learning a champ, since then I don't need to overthink drafts and counterpicks and the like, and just jump in to every game with the same champ until I feel ready to move on.
Interested to see your takes after putting some of my own thoughts down, and maybe I'll edit below what I found helpful/interesting from the vid itself, but if nothing else at least this boosts up the ol' youtube algo and whatnot. Thanks for keeping up the consistent uploads, hyped for 200 episodes very soon!
Edit* A couple of things to add, like you explored, I would either switch champs too fast or stick to one champ too long. I would also be very rigid about my decisions in relation to my champs, so I would not listen my gut and thus felt forced to stick into a champ past it's "expiration date". Takeaways for me currently learning mid (I haven't plateued yet so hard to say what rank I'll be, currently hovering around p4-p3), I'll go ahead with the assassin pool goal, currently working with Akali and maybe pickup Zed or Talon later on and likely 2 trick for the time being.
Hi guys and the community, i've been following several "informative" channels regarding improving while also trying to have phun. I Thank u all for the work u put into this
My case is i ve playing since season 3, started as jg, i've played a lot of champions and roles, and during season 9 transitioned to mid lane. I love control mages, so i've played a fuck ton of zoe, taliyah, syndra, TF etc. But i've always had a weak spot for complex champion and during a time (and untill today) i also ('ve) tried zed.
And all that u guys just said resonated hard with me cause, even though i may have had the basics combos and laning, i never could understand the identity of zed, and during the mid game id just plain out suck, even if i got fed during the early game.
Only as of recently zed has started to "click" slightly. (i wont ever say that i've mastered anything due to me being low elo)
i've played recently a lot of hwei (like 50 games).
My question is, given the fact that i've been playing so long (i might have like 250 + games on each of the before mentioned champs)... Is it that bad for me to try and improve on say "zoe, zed, hwei" and have like a couple more champs as a "reserve" or this "champion cycling"? and also, do you need to pick those champions consecutively (no matter what, be it comps, counter matchups etc) for actual improvement?
I am currently plat, and have 2 accs. one i play for "winning" and the other for actual improvement wherein i dont worry as much on the lp gains.
(I do enjoy certain "simple" champs, like galio, vex. But i really hate, either Champions like talon which are boring for me or champs like yone/irelia which should not be in the game and yes this is biased).
links to both my accounts so that ppl can roast me XD
www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Marxismo-LAS/champions
www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Socialismo-MARX
I had a funny thing where my first real main was Gnar and since he is so multifaceted I managed to always be able to adapt it according to meta or matchups, appart from being able to be a bruiser, a tank, a diver and a full damage kiting “adc” that, from there, my pool branched out to all sorts of things. The only champs I dont really play are ranged mages but hopefully that changes with Aurora :)
I had to switch from podcast format to the youtube video just to say that the Shyvanna Renekton era had a third top laner in it. Dr. Mundo. Basically teams would pick one of the three and just rotate those 3 in season 4 or 5. And all 3 of them basically could build sun fire and spirit visage and be a menace. It was a wild time.
I’ve been playing ahri(most games), Lux(if ahri is banned), and tristana if my team needs ad. Been pretty successful I’m hopefully going to hit gold soon
Update 8 game losing streak killing myself
update have demoted all the way to silver 4 I think I'm going to quite mid lane because I don't think it's for me. :(
are you doing alright man 💀
@@stinker6784 my biggest op at university just made fun of me for being silver. Once my finals are over. I’m going to grind mid lane nonstop every single day 0 breaks. I’ll be working 3 full time jobs. While at my valet job, every piece of downtime will be spent studying vods, while at the gym (second full time job) every rep I’ll think about my league losses, and while playing league (third full time job), ill play with 200% focus and have my high elo friends coaching me. I’m coming for you Lucas stay safe in plat while you still can
@@katkrasher ay full respect good luck on the grind lmao
33:00 Shen lanes pretty normally pre-6 and absolutely deals dmg in lane and even post-6. It's only in mid-late game where he's full tank and kind of eh (but if he's ahead and itemizes stuff like Heartsteel, Titanic, Sunfire, etc. he absolutely can slap an ADC's head off just fine).
The weirdest thing is that he's balanced by having really terrible wave clear. If you compare a lot of the other "global ult" type champs they all have a range limit to their global presence but have wave clear to access their roam timers.
I dunno if it has been discussed before, but how would you guys recommend developing a champ pool when placed in a secondary role/autofilled? I feel that this happens often enough, especially with roles such as mid and top, that if you don't develop a champ pool it is an automatic LP loss. At the same time, practicing these champs/roles would mean less time on the main role. How should this be dealt with?
In my case I have been playing the game for years, I play mostly Zed and Yasuo (yasuo not so much anymore).
I have to say I spent 2 seasons only learning Zed and finding that the champ is a lot a lot more complex that I first thought It was but once you get the General Idea of it (I consider my self to still be learning the champ) it sky rockets in winrate.
I belive that is the trade for learning those champs, you get locked into them and lose a lot but once it clicks even if you are not the high elo master the champion will start to show you why it's so hard, you have all the answers and only 4 abilities, ergo you need to think outside of "its a dash" "my ult is for the ADC", etc, etc.
Thank you for validating my leona janna pool
Champ pool has always been something I have struggled with so I appreciate these kinds of videos, and you two always bring up great points that make me think. I am a Jungle Main since Season 9. Took a break after season 10 and came back tail end of last season and have not appreciated all the jungle changes but am just chugging through. I main Briar, Vi, and Volibear but have two pocket picks for when my team comp is lacking. Shyvanna if I am solo AP only (I skip this even if we only have an AP support) and if we lack hard engage with a killy enemy team I will play Zac. I have always struggled to limit my pools since I love playing all kinds of champs, so this has been the best I have gotten it so far.
Saltu member here! I'm getting close to 200 Lillia games in ranked, and I'm just not able to play that many ranked games a week on her anymore. I want to add another champion into my pool, but so far I've not been that inspired by any of the options (except Corki jungle but Nathan told me off for that one). My solution for now has been mixing it up playing some toplane on my other account, to work on off-role, so I don't lose my mind. Will be interesting to see what my journey turns into later down the line. Will I stick with my Lillia OTP journey, or branch off playing classics like Trunle, Zac and Amumu? Will I find another wildcard champion to add to my pool? Will I go back to being a fill player? You never know what might happen, but that's exciting. If anyone has suggestions, feel free to put them in replies 😸
as a top laner in low diamond closing onto 200 games on garen top with a 44-46% wr, and feeling mehh about champ cycling, this has really helped me decide to start trying this, hopefully this will help me be a better player and be able to bring back garen at some point
even as a dota player I keep coming back to this podcast finding some episodes fully useful and great for me as an emerald dota player
thanks allot guys!!!
Fascinating fascinating video. I would always recommend playing a bit of aram to everyone. While its obviously not league, and it doesnt do anything for jungle feel, you will still be exposed to perspectives of the game you normally wouldnt have learned. like, if youre an adc player, you might roll a tank. something youd never play otherwise.
Is ivern and just ivern a good champion pool?
good khazix will ruin you
Judging by how many Iverns I’ve seen in Master yes bro
there are like 2 trillion ivern onetricks in high elo its even more than zac onetricks
@@zzdahaewae Indeed
Absolutely. In the 1% you get ivern picked/banned go fiddle.
Interesting topic and something that hits close to home as my introduction to league was through Braum, Teemo and Heimer, later moving on to Illaoi when she released and OTPing her for the longest time. I totally agree with the messaging that some champions do not effectively teach the game of League of legends as a lot of what I learnt form these characters wasn't good for my journey as a player, something that I only realized after I picked up Camille and Aatrox. Suddenly I could efficiently freeze waves and deny CS instead of just pushing and poking under turret. This made top A LOT easier even though I used to play a lane bully I only now realize how efficiently you can lock someone completely out of the game.
I would also like to put in a word for an episode on smurfing and what it means for the community. I have a lot of high elo friends that all have at least one smurf. And I find the mentality of these people interesting. Everything from people who clearly do it to boost their ego to people who play their 3 blocks on their main before moving onto a smurf because they know they won't be playing at 100% efficiency. I wonder how things like the social security number being tied to your account on the Korean server changes the mindset of the community in that region. How putting up systems that keeps you accountable for your actions could help change the League community for the better
Man this video dropped just in time. It’s exactly what I needed and wanted to hear you guys talk about.
I am 109 games deep in rengar this season and I absolutely love him I’m obsessed with him. But lately I’ve been having like a dry spell with him so I started playing my second favorite jungler khazix. And it just feels so refreshing a needed change if you will.
I’m gonna take your advice and make a nice rotation every 70 games like Curtis stated and see how it feels.
Thoughts on short-term vs long-term pools?
For instance, I'm trying to build a long-term pool to stick for a couple seasons --> == Ahri, Taliyah, Orianna (If 3v3 is low threat) + Off-role: Neeko Support.
I think Neeko support is worse for the short term VS playing something evergreen like Leona or Nautilus, but in the long-term it means my main-role champ pool is much larger and resilient to meta changes.
TLDR: is it worth to try use your off-role to extend your main pool (with an off-meta / non-evergreen pick) using flex picks, VS picking a simple evergreen role-champion, but losing that extra champion for your main-role pool long-term?
I think coming to a compromise of enjoying the game is paramount to your league journey. For instance; Xayah is my favorite champion, however she is in a role i don't enjoy even a little bit, so I tried playing her and tried properly learning the role for years, I just couldn't do it, so I tried her mid for a while, it was fine but a lot of people would pick 3 or 4 aa champs with you more often than you would think😅 making it very difficult to play, than low elo noobs think you are a troll and you get camped and griefed, so I than decided to switch to Ahri full time with Xayah as like a backup.
Been waiting for this one all week!
Great episode guys, thanks for you work!
Getting a strong champ pool is good, but first and foremost just follow your whimsy and play the champs you enjoy. If you try to make a pool of champs you don't really like, then it won't stick for you.
About the balanced champ pools: for a long time my most played 4 champs were kai'sa Ezreal Vayne and Lucian. I tried to pick up Jinx I really noticed how many bad habits that were compensated for because I only played this champ archetype. I even dropped from emerald 2 to plat 2 because I am insisting on learning the champ. But I feel that I am becoming a better player gradually since I am learning how to play with out of jail free cards.
How as a jungler do you deal with Evelynn? You say it's up to your teams jungle, but what do they do?
Please episode 200 case study ‘Streamer team trying to go pro in Brazil: Dantes and his team’
I plan my pool with a mindset what if couldn’t fail? Makes me aim high and choose champs I actually enjoy :3
Twisted Fate for midlane? No? :(
I miss Dopa everyday.
38:30 I would like to tell you im at 48.4% winrate on Ryze, at 262 games this split. I fully knew what I was getting myself into and I simply want more.
Welcome BBC'ers
As an emerald 2-3 average taliyah one trick, who plays her both mid and jungle, I have found of any champ I have ever one tricked she has taught me the most about the entirety of the game. Also, yes I am an outlier. Been playing her since release and for the past three seasons I have hundreds of games with her. The only other champ I have playing hundreds of games on in one season is neeko.
"You will never hear me recommend Fizz" 👌 Bravo! Got a like from me! (Especially as a TF Main) get that shit out of my games! I wish nobody played that trash champ
29:23 imagine learning the game...
Yesterday my Supp picked Pantheon, decided to roam to FLASH+Q for stealing my kill in mid (Vladi was 1 autoattack from death and was 120% secured)
Later he proceeded to splipush all game, didn't ward a single objective and flame the rest of the team because he thought he was carrying.
Imagine learning the game...
curtis look up the term "periodization." quite relevant to what you are saying at the end
My champ pool sucks, like im lvl 500 and my highest champ mastery lvl is lvl 9 on vi, i just get so bored so easily of champs so i swap around, it kinda sucks cause i dont have a character that i am just high mastery in
I learned the game through playing rumble mid. Peaked emerald 2 with over 1000000 mastery. Im trying to add someone to my pool but its so hard to find a similar play style. I find rumble really fun tho
Hype!!! Champion pools are fun :D
It only makes sense for Renekton to be an evergreen toplaner, after all, millions of years of evolution and being a crocodile is still kind of OP in the nature Meta. Renekton just takes it a few steps further with the bipedal tech and a big blade to go along with it.
I've always struggled to keep a small champ pool because I get bored of feep like I'm troll picking bad comps so I want at least 1AD 1 tank and 1 AP champ.
J4 is my default pick with wukong in case it gets banned. Then Skarner and Brand to round out otherwise imbalanced comps.
As a sidenote I hover between Emerald 3 and Emerald 1 in EUW. I've mained j4 for 4 seasons and Brand I've mained for most of season 13.
Im going to take ranked seriously for the first time next season, been watching for a year or so (Gold ish Mid player 1st season but i think im low emerald now), I'm going to main Lux/Veigar with Lucian for an AD pick if i really need it, so will be interested to see what these boys say about it, will recomment when i watch the vid.
I've been spamming hwei recently in normals because he's just the most fun mage and i do well but i dont think its recommended
sounds like the bois are saying just stick to lux/veigar and dodge if full AP, maybe i'll spam hwei when i reach a bit higher
I been playing mundo and morde. Not the most similar to each other but i like morde for lower elo stomping where as i like my mundo passive consistney playstyle for plat +
I've tried rocking chogath, tahm, and garen as well to try and compliment my mundo.
Top laner terminology: Juggernauts! I think this would have been useful when you were talking about top laners that can't jungle, generally it's juggernauts who can't.
Is sett still viable on top? Or rito just hates sett and nerfed him? Last time I played was on 2021 for context xd
This is my biggest problem because I have two champs I primarily play: Jhin and Zoe. I just enjoy their playstyles, and I have trouble adding something to the rotation. That and the primary roles they're expected to be played in are different (bot and mid), which doesn't help either.
Could try Ziggs bot. It's a similar artillery mage feel where you've got an empowered auto that interacts with your abilities
38:08 period 💅
Any champ that is useful regardless of resources is evergreen
If I play graves and int im basically useless unless the game stalls out
If i play j4 i still bring engage can pivot to a tank build etc
Is taliyah a good champ for me (gold) to main? I feel like my mechanics are very average even for gold but I have a high win rate on champs mainly control mages with who I can make big plays. I have been watching league for years and i defo believe my knowledge is higher than this rank so Is taliyah good to make those roams and teamfight plays? Awesome video as always tho 👌
I am trying to build my jungle champ pool and I am wonder what are some of the Soul 2 aproved champs??
mandatory algo comment, from yorick adc main :)
I don't like the idea of being a Neeko OTP but instead a Neeko Main, her whole thing is turning into other champs so the more understanding I have of other champions makes my Neeko disguises better, I like the curious nature of the champion and approaching my climb with a curious mind is what I'm about
Off topic but ive done 0-master runs many times before and its always win 7-8 in a row and lose 2-3 in a row where theres nothing i can do to win (2 or more inters) its quite consistent. Definitely some sus rigging here. Do you guys experience this?
Iv played so much swain and im not necessarily getting bored of him but I catch myself feeling like I'm starting to just go through the motions
So you don't recommend playing only adc's mid 😅
Do we consider gp as just one of the "hard champions" or one of the "weird ones" like heimerdinger
Another reason to play other champs is if you can't beat them and you need to learn their counterplay. I was a sion OTP for years, but I got really frustrated by Fiora. So I went and learned her for the sole purpose of learning how she thinks, so I can beat her.
Funny fact is that was how I got into sion. I was a teemo player before but I got really frustrated by sion so I switched and next thing I know I have a million points on sion.
What u guys think about Draven? Complicated champion and only plat+ or playable below?
Thoughts on pyke and who might be good as a second pick. emerald 3. I play moakai if he’s banned or picked
"I Have a Unique Set of Skills"... : Yasuo -[27:37]
I feel like my champ pool isn't very balanced at all. 😬
I play Lillia and Gwen in the jungle and they are literally the same person sometimes.
It's hard, I face a lot of consequences maining only AP bruisers in the jungle and lose in champ select sometimes (enchanter supports and AP mid and top, oof...) It only gets harder the higher elo I go since people know how to invade and shutdown Gwen/Lillia from scaling 😮💨
I have tried Bel-Veth, Briar, Nocturne... but idk, it just doesn't feel right to me.
Maybe for my third jungler I shall pick up Mordekaiser 🤪
Curtis is afraid of the inevitable Olaf mid review. It'll happen - I know it, he knows it
What about autofill champs? They're technically in your pool and spending time playing 1/3 of the game
As champions, have a category in my mind i would say they are a mistake punisher champions. They are just almost always fed in soloQ, too easily getting kills early, and its really just a nightmare to play against them after they get the first 1-2 kills. These champs like Katarina, Hecarim, Belveth, Illaoi, Nocturne, etc. somehow they always fed every match when not banned, and when they fed u really cant do anything against their kit. A fed Katarina will just kill your teammates 1 by 1 every single minute without any effort. Always get fed, because ppl cant play against her, dont know that u have to knock her up or something when she ulted. Illaoi too, ppl just fight her under ult and cant bait it a single time to fight her AFTER she ulted. Literally a lose a lot of matches because my teammates constantly fighting under outplayable situations and just dont understand what they should do to avoid it. Nocturne is another nightmare, every single Nocturne ulti is a dead teammate for us, i cant believe that somebody who died 10 times in a match by that, cant react somehow with items, positioning etc.
70-80 games and move to another champ really sucks.
that period of switching is gonna be super hard
I think the fact that jungle can play any archetype in the game is Riot's attempt at making the role more appealing to the most people, like anyone from any role will always have at last one familiar archetype they can play in the jungle. But I honestly think it's totally backwards and makes jungle more intimidating instead, because to really master the role in every meta you now have to master every archetype.
I am a Sejuani main in plat 3 (used to be emerald last split), and I often see people tell me I should swap main when I ask for advice. I didn't really find an answer in this podcast, any thoughts, my fellow summoners?
Not a big sejuani player so obviously take it with a grain of salt but from the games I have played and watched and just my own general knowledge of the champion I think Sejuani is perfectly fine to Main. She is fundamentally always useful for what she is designed to do, simple-"ish" mechanically but with a fairly high skill ceiling. Has a lot of great skirmish potential, Cc, mobility, generally strong ganks, and decently fast clear. The only thing that I find with Sej is that she really prefers to have Top/Mids/Supports that like to pair with her and go in, I find Sejuani incredibly hard and underwhelming when she is the only frontline/engager/fighter on the team so if you have scaling pick top or an artillery mage mid you really have to be cognizant of that and not devote a lot of attention to those lanes because most of the time they would rather just play back and play for waves/plates rather than help you secure the kills or fight for crabs/neutrals
I’ve climbed from gold 2 to platinum 1 so far this season on ap cho gath mid, feeling a little called out😅
What about Fizz is odd or different? What does he "get away with" and not teach you about the game? I love Fizz haha
I also enjoy Lux, who IS on the MLA list of approved champs, so that's a viable option for me if I get stuck with Fizz, I guess
I get what you're saying about sticking to one archetype, but for me, I enjoy switching it up every once in a while. I'm willing to take a bit of a rating dip in order to adjust to a new archetype if my current archetype is burning me out, but that's just me
35:25 finally
1:25:10 its called a meso cycle
NATHAN PLAYED HOCKEY????? LORE UNLOCKED
I was 4 games away from gold on my "hardstuck" account i have 65% winrste on morde and 55% winrate on mundo and i had a 50%+ winrste on mundo in emerald lobbjes on another account.. I lost 4 gamds in silver in a row and i was left extrenely tilted and so pissed im so close to uninstalling the gamr. I was 8/2 on morde and 14/4 on mundo.. Unable to carry inting bot lanr or losing jungler.
No gragas mention
Any other one tricks out here?
1:12:29/ I have every stage 4 issue on this list.. Games makes me so angry becausd i alwayd feel like im 1v9 hypet carry if i go negative at all itd an instant loss in silver. HOWEVER ive had an almost easier time winnjng in plat and emerald lobbies on a new account.. It makes no sense to me. Plat actually feels way more fun to play for me because my teammates are normally good enough to avoid dumb plays and not bait me but also more likely yo carry their own weight or have the potential to carry whereas most silver i play with SUCK so bad to the point NO one carries it comes down to matchmaking and lucky champ comp.
I have 50-80 games in plat3- emerald elo and like 1k+ games in silver on diff accounts.
I find silver to be true elo hell, the champs I play I just feel unable to carry these players with no hands.
I don't think I would even play league still if I couldn't play tryndamere or darius
I am still so sad they deleted rell jg, it was such a fun pick. proplay really ruins everything smh.
I learned the game through Cho'gath mid...
not mentioning Amumu as a low to mid elo jungle evergreen is criminal
What are these guys ranks ? Or achievements
challenger OCE
Yall could talk a bit more about people that like certain champions but when they try to play them, they feel bad and never play those champs anymore, for example, me.
I tried to main yasuo, qiyana, pyke, and some others. But I'd always get to "that" part of maining them wich I felt like I couldn't have fun with them, everything I tried to do like mechanics and such would just go wrong and I would just give up on them... I am a bit above average player but I feel like I could be much better, but I get stuck on stuff like this that makes me feel trash at the game and not improve...
Whats a good, assassin with some bruiser features?
garen, nocturne
@@dumpsterplayer2700 I am talking about jungle, so garen is too niche imo, and isnt enough of an assassin to learn assassins with, nocturne has an ult that warps his kit quite a bit, he isnt useful for learning assassins either.
@@novanomi3362 naafiri?
@@dumpsterplayer2700 I am a jungler. Naafiri jungle has a 43% wr
@@novanomi3362 ik its more niche, but have you tried urgot jg at all? from the little I play in jg, I bring my urgot to jg and it feels amazing, he is more bruiser with assassin features with e flash-> kill
as an adc main I will agree with jinx. Disagree with kaisa. I think zeri/ezreal
Lol yikes I learned league from level 10ish to 80ish on fizz in season 5ish
Can you guys get chally in top lane so you can coach me lmao
fuck it just gonna play the champs on the thumbnail
Lee sin been around forever. Peanut smurfing msi 2017
leesin is the most played champ on the korea leaderboard lol if you look at their champ pools every jg plays lee
Yes, I should have decisively had Lee Sin as an evergreen jungle champion especially in high elo over the years - Nathan
Lower rank players generally really struggle to have success with Lee Sin which was reason for my hesitation. - Nathan
I dont understand why so many people say Janna is high skill cap. Compared to Lulu or Thresh? I just dont see it.
I disagree evelynn is strong, in my experience as a toplaner you can easily just invade her on her red at level 3 if you have prio for a ward, or you can just 2v1 her and flash her charm if she ever tries to gank you, her early damage is really weak compared to any toplaner and she will never win in a fight where they arent ccd. I usually am never scared of this champ, I care alot more about tank junglers with strong cc like Zac and Sejuani because it's really hard to deal with their easy ganks and I can't just kill them as a punish for missing their spells.
Well eve if played well is a monster, since she can be anywhere an puts a lot of pressure on every lane just with fact that she has lvl 6, also she does have insane burst and % dmg so she can even deal decent damage to tanks
try playing anything squishy and then eve becomes a nightmare
you can invade brand, kindred, lillia etc at the red, you can just flash the brand stun if he ever tries to gank you.
Its not about " there is nothing i can do", its about what you would have to give up to slow her down, i literally would have to leave lane for 45 seconds+ to mess with her, i'll probably lose 12 minions, i'll come back underleveled and losing lane.
Even if you were winning lane before and shoved out, you would be down at least a wave
If champion pool includes K’Sante = unbalanced.
lol sorry
Maybe 4 or 5 patches ago, ksante is really weak right now.
체력 4700 방어력 329 마저201 인 챔피언👤이 저지불가🚫, 쉴드🛡, 벽🧱 넘기는 거 있고요. 에어본🌪 있고, 심지어 쿨타임은 1️⃣초밖에 안되고 마나🧙♂️는 1️⃣5️⃣ 들고 w는 심지어 변신💫하면 쿨 초기화에다가 패시브는 고정피해🗡가 들어가며 그 다음에 방마저🥋 올리면📈 올릴수록📈 스킬 가속⏰이 생기고! q에 스킬가속⏰이 생기고 스킬 속도🚀가 빨라지고📈 그 다음에 공격력🗡 계수가 있어가지고 W가 그 이익-으아아아악😱😱
@@SpinninWaffleHe’s still picked in pro a lot
@@SpinninWaffleHe’s still picked in pro a lot