@@DamianSzajnowski were not that different. what he said is accurate and at the same time it does not invalidate his opinion of feeling too damn good. both are most likely true in this case, making your comment the only worthless one. granted his comment is condesending but atleast its true.
Me, my wife and 3 daughters have all followed Dr. mikes dietary guidelines and are doing a deficit to lose and are able to stick with it and are losing weight and feel unrestricted
Calorie deficit is older than the dinosaur 😂😂😂…it’s scientifically proven. People need to remember that it took years to put on their weight. So take your time. I lost 40 Lbs in about two years and five years later still maintain my weight. The trick for me is 200 calories day deficit, going to bed early, cutting out breakfast and snacking on Air popped popcorn on weekends. Also eat a ton of vegetables as they are low in calories and fill you up. In fact buy a wok throw in vegetables olive oil garlic ginger etc (your choice) maybe finely chopped meat it’s filling low in calories and healthy.
I love the part about soreness. When I was eating a "healthy" whole food diet I had the DOMS feeling almost every day. My legs felt as if I'd been doing squats without any exercise or with mild hiking. On Carnivore, I barely get DOMS after a big workout. It's really nice not to have the pain but there is a missing feedback mechanism there that prevents people doing junk reps maybe.
It may be the creatine Carnivore diet is naturally high in creatine, and it promotes recovery and boosts performance. I'm a vegetarian and adding a creatine supplement woked wonders for me.
Creatine was certainly helpful for me in the pre-carnivore days but it came with an off side-effect I've never read about. Pain in places I hadn't had pain before, and that went away when I stopped taking it.
Probably less inflammation from lack of insulin spikes. Probably sub-optimal to minimize all inflammation for muscle building but if it helps you get more work in nice.
I think you should change the thumbnail and title to show that you’re starting to eat carbs, or no longer doing carnivore. It would get a lot more people to click on the video, since you’ve been notorious for carnivore.
I've been on Ketovore & Carnivore for many years (over 12 years in total), especially the last 3+ years on Extreme Elimination Diet (the Lions diet) because of my Chronic Rheumatoid Arthritis! It helps me incredibly! I've also been following Tristyn's path for about these 3-4 years! I think it's great how well his health has improved in a positive way, mentally, and physically Tristyn now looks healthier with a little more healthy body fat percentage.... From time to time for athletic competition - competition wanting to be extremely lean for a few weeks is okay....But not 1-2 years tormenting yourself like that! I love my carnivore lifestyle because I have less pain, inflammation and need to take less medication! But if this diet is not for everyone, it requires a lot of discipline and also certain knowledge, because you can damage your metabolism in the long run if you take it too extreme! Greetings from 🇨🇭 Switzerland 🤗
I have the same results on my Omnivore diet. No processed foods. Carnivores and Vegans look very unhealthy, emaciated after about 5-10 years. You’re on a food elimination diet is what helped with your arthritis…not the meat.
Very insightful. Love these types of videos. I lost over 100lbs with a keto diet. I was at 265lbs now I’m at 168lbs. I’m deciding to add more carbs into my diet to help build muscle along side high protein
@user-pm7pw1tl3t I mean, if they went from 265 to 165 and then started to try and bounce back up, how is that not correct? Additionally, depending on the scale or the day, you can fluctuate by about 3lbs. I usually gain 2-3lbs after I chug a bunch of water and eat breakfast.
@@user-pm7pw1tl3tWhat isn't mathing? If they were overweight af, losing weight first is usually the goal. Then depending how you like lifting and the exercises you just maintain your new healthy lifestyle or start going more into building muscle or even X sport.
Would like to see as well. Much needed conversation - both parties would at bare minimum improve their perception accuracy of each other's nutrition M.O.
Anthony chaffee is a fraud and a liar....I agree that animal proteins and fats are healthy....but Chaffee is doing nothing but lies....like Bart kay....like all of them.
I like leaning towards carnivore simply because I have food allergies to a lot of veggies and not being able to digest them well. Been like this all my life. I've found that if I focus on meat, fruit, sprouted grains (Ezekiel bread), jasmine rice or yellow potato's, nuts, avocado oil/olive oil, and cottage cheese, I tend to feel amazing. The second I introduce veggies, I get bloated and feel like I am slowing down.
@@rouvenkoller Pretty much. There are a few at my gym that bitch about it yet it's the best diet on the planet. They also bitch they cannot seem to build lean tissue tissue either and they looks very sickly and soft.
This video doesn’t have enough views. This is a great explanation of how diets affect bodies. Detangling food philosophy is so hard. They made it look easy
It’s safe to say everything doesn’t work for everyone. Key take away from this video for me is just eat real food, stay away from garbage foods and you should be ok. If you have health issues since birth like me then you will understand why an elimination style approach to eating is a godsend. I just wanna feel better. I think that’s what everybody wants who is suffering from a degree of sickness or disease. - clearly don’t eat junk guys. Stay away from it and heal. Go for quality.
I’ve tried carnivore, keto, almost vegetarian (fish and veggies only) and a balanced diet of mixed veggies, various proteins (chicken, turkey, salmon, tuna, pork and carbs. Guess which one worked the best? No surprise it’s the balanced diet of protein, carbs, healthy fats. I feel much better and overall healthier with this diet than any of the others. It works great for cutting/bulking too. For cutting I switch out the salmon for tuna and pork for turkey. Just doing that cuts out 500-700 calories. It’s great because I don’t have to lower my volume of food.
I’m sure some of these diets work for some people but…. Yeah a balanced diet is just better for most people. I think these people just go into these with terrible diets and feel better and think that this is it, the peak
@@SentralkontrolIt's a cycle. People destroy themselves with bad diet, then go on extreme diets as a form of healing, only to dig themselves deeper into the hole of metabolic dysfunction.
I’m 33 and have been in a decade long permabulk. Tried reducing calories but that path always fails for me. Started carnivore on Jan 1st and loving it. But the ultimate plan is to use carnivore to cut from a 35% body fat down to about 10%, then do what Dr Mike says here: slowly add carbs back in and see how that goes. Working out without carbs just isn’t the same
Thanks for providing this content. I am currently reading Peter Attia's book outlive. It appears there are a lot of overlap when it comes to longevity and muscle building. Additionally some competing issues. I would be interested to see a video that covered how one could gain mass and increase performance (strength) while focusing on longevity.
I'm on a hybrid Carnivore + fruit diet. dried pine apple and meat is for me. I do have some breads once in a while. fresh fruit just shoots out of me like a cannon.
fruit is just sugar. Some fruits are fake and bred to be sweeter than candy bars. Fructose is creating massive glycation in your body whether you know it or not because it is 10 times more glycating than glucose. In fact, the A1C test only tests for GLUCOSE glycation, funny right? It is one of the biggest kept secrets in the world; fruit is actually horrible for health.
@CronksGenetics There is no such thing as an auto immune system. There is an immune system. And it is known if you have Hashimoto's autoimmune disease that eating gluten will increase the immune system's attack on the thyroid gland.
I've been on the carnivore diet for nearly 11 months and I'm putting on muscle easier than any other time in my life. I'm also completely lean with a very low fat percentage.
I started the diet for mental reasons still struggling with mental issues but physically I have never been happier with my body. I’m super shredded and it’s super easy to put on muscles.
@Hossaly97 what exactly are you eating? You still using seed oils to cook the meat? Are you using seasonings? You eating any veggies or fruits? Still eating sugar? Usually from my experience if you have something like that still in there even if it's a little it'll make a big difference.
@@khronos2213 bro, most people take up the carnivore diet to fix their health issues, they don’t do it to become IFBB professional bodybuilders. If you want to become a pro BB that requires a separate diet.
@@Dexduzdiz Just regular resistance training is impeded by this let alone bodybuilding. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my orevoius comment, but the carnivore/keto diet isn't sustainable. Younger people can do it because their bodies are more resilient and even then only for a few years. People mainly take it for some allergies, weight loss, autoimmune diseases... Most of the benifits could be experienced from the weightloss alone, it could have even erased some of the other issues. For anything else it's just an elimination diet just like they said. You need carbs, you need fiber. Ketones are an emergency energy source. Emergency energy sources shouldn't be used for prolonged periods of time.
@@khronos2213if you're right, then massive kudos to all our ancestors who lived before the aggricultural revolution. They managed to survive on that "unsustainable" diet for millions of years. Thank God we started eating vegetables otherwise who knows how much longer we would have had to eat that terrible diet
The gut microbiome thrives on fibrous carbohydrates. Your gut is responsible for so many processes including even serotonin production. Not eating fiber is to my knowledge very bad for your gut. There was a study done by a husband and wife research team (I forget their names - Justin and someone else) that put lab mice on a high vs. low fiber diet for 4 generations of mice and found: the mice on a low fiber diet lost, and irrecoverably, something like 80% of the species of bacteria in their gut microbiome. Imagine the amount of gut bacteria we all don't have due to the American cheeseburger and French fry diet that has persisted for so long. Anyway, food for thought. Thank you guys so much for your video and great attention to research and modern scientific literature. Dr. Mike has taught me so much in my new found love (3 months in) for weightlifting. Thank you!!
I started to die for mental reasons and they really thought about the physical aspect of it, but since I started the diet, I have never been leaner in my life. Super easy to put muscles so much energy! Couldn’t be happier with my physique right now
I do a form of hyper carnivore. I eat some fruit berries and vegetables, but I restrict grains starch and processed sugar. This is where I feel my personal best . That being said I will have some dextrose, clusterdextrin or honey intra workout every now and then .
I do the same regarding incorporating carnivores mix with vegetables some fruits. Lost 17kg in 2 months with no efforts but I do fasting aswell between 1-2 days per weak . 6 kg left until best i am I’m my best fit
He's not a nutritionist lol he studied nutrition as a part of his degrees, yes, and he is knowledgable, yes (talking about Jared), but not a nutritionist and obviously not a professor. Mike is a professor, but not for nutrtion either.
I can tell you personally when I deliberately started adding more carbs and realizing how important they were I gained way more muscle and had way more energy in the gym. I was doing low carb crap at 1st kuz I was just following along with what was popular. I got lean on carbs as well. I absolutely love carbs and protein and fats sneak their way into my diet as well. But the high carb life is where it’s at if you lift weights regularly.
This was a good discussion guys. I would love to hear mike and jared talk more about factors that can help a lot in advanced individuals be it nutritionally, training or "supplement" wise.
Have you only eaten steamed unseasoned vegetables your whole life or something? There are many vegetables, all differing in taste and texture, and can be cooked in hundreds of different ways. Experiment with recipes from all over the world, and I promise you'll find something delicious.
maybe it wasnt the diet that was the problem, its training hard every day, taking NO deloads and staying unnaturally lean? not to take away from mikes take on carbs, but still.
You're not dealing with metabolic conditions or health issues. When Mike says you can be "healthy" following any low-processed food diet, that simply isn't the case for specific illnesses. Cancer leaps to mind, where the protocols we use (therapeutic clinician nutrition) are ketogenic in nature due to cellular fermentation issues. But for "healthy" people and super low bodyfat types like you, sure. Just keep an eye out for any signs of early insulin resistance. If you spot them, back off the carbs. Otherwise, have at it. And if you feel okay being a bit bloated and farting all the time, great. And all that said, Mike is a super smart, well-spoken guy who really took an intelligent approach to this. Really enjoyed the video Tristyn. Thank you.
It should be points our that a zero carb diet contributes to relying on ldl for universal energy distribution that can lead to lean mass hyper response. My cholesterol was ldl being 6 times higher (10mmol/l ldl) but that was also after 8h cycling 🚴♀️ for a week. This might now correspond to necessarily to point by point cvd risk in this environment, or it might in fact mean even higher risk ; a study is underway how this affects LMHR ( lean mass hyper responders).
Why didn’t you change your protein fat ratio to 30/70 that 20% of fat increase would have upped your calories? And wouldn’t that hyper calorie state take you out of fight or flight ?
Richard Smith won the Pro European Championship Natural on a carnivore diet. Pretty much every person he was competing against was eating carbs. If carbs are so much better I would love to hear an explanation for this.
Anthony Chaffee MD good podcast I saw that episode✔ ..these guys are stuck on carbs, I love all the excuses and explanations that justify eating junk carbs 😆
@@Yourmoma8onelike damn, would love to hear about your nutrition degree to talk about why carbs are so damn bad for you though, even more for everyone like carnivore adapts love to claim
@@HeyJerry55 there is nothing wrong with his hair! Who cares if you don’t like it. It does not matter at all. If your comment is not kind or could be hurtful, keep it to yourself.
@@Roxxyy26 why did you assume I was talking about that hair specifically that you comment about … how about you mind your buisness & I’ll keep the comments that could “hurt” to myself.
That fibre is good for your digestion is just very disputed. it doesn't mean that a lot nutritional experts say vegetables are healthy that it's true. because lot's of scientific literature is either outdated or just bad science. They are usually epidimilogical studies, not randomised controlled trials. You don't need fibre for peristalsis, you don't need to bulk up your stool, this doesn't even make sense. You also don't need it for your gut microbiome because eating a lot of fibre will only make you get more bacteria that like fibre. If you don't eat fibre then you don't need them. On the other hand, fibre can block the absorption of nutrients because it just sits there in your colon undigested,
Dr Mike, with saturated fat and cholesterol being good for testosterone, why have studies shown people on PCSK9 inhibitors drugs who have their cholesterol nuked have no change in testosterone? And why are vegans not low with testosterone? And why many carnivores, like Paul Saladino, saw their testosterone drop with a massive increase in saturated fat?
@@stevewood6192 But that is my point, Paul ate a diet high in cholesterol and saturated fat and his testosterone went low. He added carbs back and his test went back to normal, the cholesterol was not helping his testosterone.
@compositionconsultant if you eat fruit and veggies there high in Iron/minerals which is what the body needs and requires at all times along with structured living water (H302) which makes up the molecular structure of your cells/dna, animal meat is very different don't eat poorly sourced meat get farmers market grass fed animal protien , and testosterone problems when eating too much meat Is called acidosis/euric acid/carbonic acid build up it destroys the testosterone/microbiome and ultimately the meat you it takes days/weeks/months to digest laking fruit veg to hel break that down is high risk , boost your testosterone easy off pure beet juice combined with Watermelon and coldpressed juices/smoothies no animal milk in smoothis ever its is puss and blood us plant milk , if you over consume meat and only that your putting your body in fight or flight/high stress/weak instead of homeostasis/healing/strong, listen to a dietitian not a nutritionist and I'm a RN (Nurse) this diet will kill you in the long run , the golden balance is key and he eats multiple times a day we suppose to eat 1 time a day but the carnivore diet only and that's it will catch up to you eat whole foods stop eating at 7pm fruit fast until your big meal come before 7pm , look up brolygainz on YT look out how your body looks when you eat the right food vs a animal meat only diet , watch Yahki Awakend on TH-cam, Dr Bobby on TH-cam.
Saying things like carbs are the preferred fuel source for x-thing is wrong. Just because the body metabolizes it first doesn't mean it prefers it. Does the body also prefer alcohol or any other poison just because it clears it out of the system first and as fast as possible? Of course not. IMO, carbs for the body are akin to an octane booster for a car. Sure, you get more bang, but it puts more stress on the engine. It is not preference. It is the body prioritizing the restoration of homeostasis.
Your body makes glucose one way or another... Meaning that your body has to work harder to make the glucose rather than eating it directly. Come on man, think!
@@limitisillusion7 If that’s your logic, then why don’t you just inject insulin so your body doesn’t have to work harder to produce it? Come on, man. Think!
@limitisillusion7 The body's need for glucose is so little that we can readily produce it. Maybe you should use your brain instead. The body does not work harder to do this. You're just talking nonsense.
all Dr. Mikes argument says is that a carbohydrate adapted body runs well on carbohydrates and explains the mechanisms. Lets see Human Physiology expert and carnivore Dr. Bart Kay debate Dr. Israetel and I really like Dr. Israetel.
Apex fallacy. Most people try thos stuff and go back to how they ate before because they DONT feel better. Look at all the carnivores switching to "animal based"
@@lovelylora1700 I don't think people will give up on a diet that has supposedly miraculous effects on weight, autoimmune issues, allergies, etc; just because they can't eat cake with friends anymore. It's not like you become a social paraiah for jumping on the keto/carnivore bandwagon like everyone else. It's because they feel worse
You eat less on carnivore because you food is more nutritious and your appetite is not driven by insulin spikes. Also a high carbs diet promotes inflammation so much. This is why Doctor Mike thinks this guy is at peak health for his joints and connective tissue health. A standard American diet will only mess it up in the long term. Presentation targeted at muscle growth , not health at (19:00) we can all agree that with bodybuilder's health and life expectancy, it's maybe not a good idea to use their diet as a guideline. Richard Smith is a bodybuilding champion who achieved it on a carnivore diet. (34:00) Egyptians had lots of whole grain in their diets and they were riddled with serious health problems compared to their contemporary hypercarnivore homo-sapiens. Tooth decay, obesity, hearth problems.
You know to be honest Tristyn, I am worried about ur health. Keto increase ur ketones, ketones burn fat without moving, especially if ketones is ur main fuel source, then u proceed to carnivore diet and maintain 4% body fat, meaning u are too alkaline, it means U ARE BURNING FAT FROM KETO, AND THERES NOTHING ELSE TO BURN CUZ U ARE ON CARNIVORE. So what does the ketones do if there's no fat to be burned? it will attack ur cells. Did u know that keto diet, fasting, alkaline meals is the best treatment for cancer battling patients, cuz this meals are called cell killers which means if u are too alkalined ur cells will use retained body nutrients as a cellular energy, and if u don't have a retained nutrients u will have cell death, this is why cancer patients will benefit so much about being alkaline cuz its not just having cell death, it killing cancer cells too. This is why u are struggling to retain nutrients as much has u are struggling to gain weight.
This title is very misleading. He's not a doctor of anything diet related. He's not a doctor of anything that has to do with human biology. He's got a doctor degree in exercise and sports science. He's also been so overweight that he has permanent loose skin on his stomach. He also admittedly abuses steroids and has shared one of his cycles on TH-cam. He also believes there's no real difference in organic and non organic. He also believes artificial sweeteners aren't bad for you. He also has changed his opinion on multiple things since the inception of his TH-cam channel. He also disagrees with every single highly successful bodybuilding coach and bodybuilder on several aspects of..... You guessed it..... Bodybuilding. I used to think this guy was the end all be all and over years of my bodybuilding journey learned he's just another TH-camr who has found his own sales pitch in the fitness community in the form of a "science based" approach. Very smart man but far from right about everything.
@@Classicalliberal85 you obviously don't know me or you would know that's not true. But ok. I've built half the muscle he has in 10 years of being mostly natty and even when I wasn't less than half the gear of the cycle he has shared and half the training while working a very physically strenuous job and not being anywhere as close to being on point on my diet as him. Mike has been on steroids for many years, me only about one. Sooooo.......... Worship him if you want but he's not right about everything.
500 grams of carbs sounds excessive at first glance, like thats an insane amount of carbs, and then to transition from no carbs into that is like insane. I remember tom platz talking about how he thought the key to weight loss or something like that was switching between very high and very low carb diets, not sticking to one but alternating
It's amazing how much misinformation is spreading out there. I guess it's not my body, so whatever. Kinda sad though to watch people destroy their longevity because they reject the overwhelming consensus for... something. What exactly that something is, I do not know.
This was excellent, I'm glad I watched it for breakfast. I'm loving eating 300-500g of carbs per day, it's not making me fat, it's keep my stomach flat!!!
The "real" talk occurred offline, when they all discussed Tristan's PED cycle, and whatever changes he needs to make, according to the 2 experts there.
I’d like to know what the difference would be if steroids etc were taken out of the equation, would you be able to chugalug carbs and put large amounts of muscle on or just get fatter?
I don’t find body building optimal or healthy. Carnivore is incredible life style I have taken on for last 5 years. The benefits is more then just weight lost. The average human isn’t looking to be a bodybuilder but to be fit and healthy.
On a low carb diet cortisol spikes higher and takes longer to normalize after just 20 min of exercise. This can be super detrimental to someone trying to reach health and fitness goals. Cortisol is catabolic so harder to gain muscle. Cortisol also drives insulin resistance which impedes on weight loss goals
100%.. I had pseudo Cushings. My cortisol was crazy high non stop.. I was on sick leave for a year. Belly fat, loss of hair and muscle mass gone when cortisol is high. I do notice keto, low carb and prolonged fasts get my cortisol up. It also makes my PCOS worse!
@@carnivore-muscle Yeah it’s indicated so we don’t die from hypoglycemia, it’s just not smart relying on stress hormones to regulate blood sugar. Cortisol suppresses thyroid hormone output and conversion in the liver, catabolizes proteins from tissues to make glucose, destroys the thymus and lymphatic system over time which suppresses the immune a system, increases lipolysis so more insulin resistance via randle cycle, etc.
The real reason why you get more soreness out of carbs means your insulin and blood sugars up if not to the roof then through the roof, filling muscles with glycogen essentially (water) giving the fuller look just not actually muscle being added if your really get into how all this works metabolically in your body. In the long run this will just cause insulin resistance and dump yourself in a ditch and decrease your longevity even though you will be healthy you can feel healthier by going back to the carnivore diet mainly for health and how you feel benefits, even though you are metabolically ok due to age. Carbs are sugar in your body, and a lot of pro body builders have died or will end up F’ed up in the long run using insulin, if you need insulin due to excess carbs you are making yourself unhealthier by the day. And by the way the reason you feel your best on meat and saturated fat is because ketones are your bodies preferred energy not sugar (sugar is crack basically) if you want extra calories you can be friends with heavy cream and add 900 calories with a cup of heavy cream in a nice big morning Latte I do this myself in a big glass, a couple pumps sugar free vanilla syrup 1/4 cup coconut milk and a measuring cup of heavy cream then froth and a shot of expresso 👌 you also can do it without the coffee and just use the coffee if needing a laxative basically as it works as a soft laxative 😉
You can be healthy on all meat and healthy on mostly vegetable matter but that's taken from people's averages. You can only know what works FOR YOU. I ate "healthy" for years with massive weights, joint, mood, energy and skin problems. They all went away of Carnivore. Keto didn't quite work but Ketovore worked perfectly and is sustainable for me. Meta, Fish, Eggs, Butter, Feta and Coffee. We need to experiment with our individual systems to find out what works FOR US. Experts and studies can only tell you what they found worked for people who aren't you and most of them had poor methodology and came into it trying to find one outcome or another. If Carnivore made you a physical specimen, why change?
37:15 , No mainstream scientific establishment says that you can eat all meats and be very healthy. I'd love to see some citations for that claim though. Literally all the mainstream science establishments show plant dominant diets for long term health. They don't say you have to be vegan though.
Ah yes, the camp where it's nice and warm by the fire, foot rotating on the spit, great friends and everyone happy having even a baseline of scientific literacy. Much better than those other camps that are little more than snake oil salesmen hunkered over a dumpster fire.
The evidence based approach with tons of data to substantiate it works? Yeah we are all in that camp. I guess you are in the non evidence based “meat heals” group?
Though Dr is on many things right i disagree that on carbs you can run exercise longer. Body in ketosis is mych smarter using energy. With carbs you just draw out glycogen and you are done. A guy running on fat fuel will just last longer
In order to promote muscle growth you have to understand the entire process from start to finish. Muscle creation, or hypertrophy, starts with resistance exercises causing microscopic muscle damage. This triggers inflammation and activates satellite cells, specialized stem cells. These cells fuse with existing muscle fibers, leading to new myofibrils and muscle growth. Protein is essential for this process, providing amino acids for protein synthesis. Potassium, trace minerals, fat soluble, and B-vitamins are also essential and act as the cofactors that activate the enzymes that promote muscle growth. Carbohydrates main function in promoting muscle growth is only to fuel post-workouts and replenish glycogen, while healthy fats and micronutrients support overall muscle health. I would not recommend carbohydrates pre-workout or during your meals and would use them strictly for post-workout recovery. It is also important to note that to much protein can actually decrees muscle growth because your body can only absorb so much protein during the day. I would recommend 30% of your total calories to come from protein any more than this will just cause more damage on the liver and pancreas and could lead to your body using protein as its main fuel source. I would also like to point out that we don't need as many carbohydrates to promote muscle growth than what is advertised. Our body is able to produce and consume glucose from fat's in the form of gluconeogenesis. Don't get this confused with glyconeogenesis which is the break down of protein that get converted into glucose which is what I was just talking about earlier. If you consume higher fat-protein ratios and you have the right amount of nutrients to promote muscle cell growth you shouldn't ever need to worry about muscle loss.
@@Classicalliberal85carbs aren't cheaper. Carbs require you to eat more and more often which costs more to maintain. Buying 2 weeks worth of meat is so much cheaper then 2 weeks of groceries with carbs
Damn where did you copy and paste this from😅😅 for real very very well Weighed 145 lb at 37 years old I am now 40 weighing 195 eating mostly whole foods training till failure full range of motion controlled eccentric... I don't really have a diet I eat when I'm hungry and supplement with protein/ egg white/ powdered peanut butter shakes twice a day a can of straight chicken breast in the morning 50 g of protein 240 calories Roast beef and grass-fed cheese roll-ups with no bread for lunch usually about seven of them which is another 60 g of protein and around 400 500 calories followed by a second lunch of a protein shake which is 600 calories and 70 g of protein dinner usually being sweet potato too hard boiled eggs and some red meat equaling around 500 calories and 50 g of protein topped off with a final shake at the end of the day same as the afternoon Go ahead and critique me I'm ready I need the help ready to be 220
Carnivore is brilliant for health it may not be ideal for body building but lets be honest body building is taking the human body beyond where its would normally sit
Nope. I ate Whole Foods, mostly plant based, some fish and seafood and suffered thyroid problems and horrible migraines. Now a carnivore and all that is gone. I will never go back.
@@banufitness these meat heads are so god damn dumb. I admit, fat and meats are more appetizing, does that mean we should only eat those things? Should we do only do heroin since it feels good? Idiots, they are all going to get heart attacks in a few years.
27:17 Maybe if you had made progress for 5 years on a high-carb diet and then switched to a carnivore diet, you would have broken through the plateau as well? Maybe it wasn't the type of change that made you break through the plateau, but just the fact that you made a significant change by itself.
I don't think their hypothesis for the weight loss is correct. When you are fat adapted and switch from beta oxidation pathways to more glycolytic pathways for atp production, it takes 2 weeks to adapt to the new fuel source. While that occurs, your body cannot convert the unadapted fuel source to ATP as efficiently, so you end up with weight loss. This works both from carbs to fat and fat to carbs.
I think he eats the carnivore diet because he's been taking massive amounts of growth hormone for years for his stunted growth and doesn't want insulin resistance. Just a hunch
The moderate insulin spike you get from protein alone is more than enough for all the muscle synthesis you need. Zero issues with doing carnivore for cutting or bulking, but if you do want to gain more fat with muscle then I would certainly recommend including carbohydrates!
The brain may prefer glucose for energy, but it functions better on ketones. People wouldn't recommend not eating carbs for an academic test because they're still conditioned to use glucose. On keto, you could very well do much better without carbs, because the carbs will cause brain fog--once you're fully adapted at 4-6 weeks of keto. (May change across years, because the body becomes accustomed to ketones, so csrb cycling *is* best of both worlds). That said, it seems strange to me that the introduction of carbs would cause an explosion of energy and pumps after so many years of carnivore. I had thought it was proven the body loses the ability to use carbs for explosive movements after too long on keto or carnivore. I would also wonder about placebo effect, and social reinforcement of "carbs good, meat bad". In addition, intermittent or prolonged fasting could generate very sharp cognitive function. I'd be careful with bodybuilder carb preference, IMO. I also get MASSIVE pumps somehow after eating pumpkin seeds pre-workout. Maybe the magnesium and arginine. I'm testing out a keto diet bulk with ~20 net carbs per day. I'm gaining .75-1 pound per week as a 5-6 year intermediate with a 280 pound bench as a 160 pounder. I.e., I'm trained and still getting good keto gains. Only 2 months keto (previous history of up to 2 years on keto, interspaces with carb refeeds to keep body aware csrbs exist). IMO, instead of jumping straight to carbs from carnivore, he should have just tried keto and pumping some heavy whipping cream, avocados, fibrous greens, and MCT oil for bulking. I'm hitting 3200 calories fairly easily with that method (and some tasty keto deserts). Still strong AF. Worst part is potential cramping due to electrolyte imbalances or deficiencies. Fuck that sucks. But, just make sure to drink the electrolytes pre-workout. This feels a bit too carb evangelical to me. Not sure there's enough data to really compare and contrast properly. Dude just straight up said he couldn't eat hypocalorically, so it's not a fair comparison, number 1. Also keto helps keep my PTSD under control, so that's a huge benefit to me. Significantly fewer instances of "omg everyone is trying to murder me," which is a definite plus. Even so, I still would love to see a comprehensive meta-analysis on keto bulking, carnivore bulking, and carb bulking. I doubt enough studies exist to justify the anti-keto/carnivore position aside from "bodybuilders would be doing it if it were the best." Maybe so, but I wonder.
@@katobytes Normal isn't a thing anymore with all the pesticides and chemicals on our food, bro. Animal products don't have all that shit, if you get the right stuff grass fed and no hormones/antibiotics it's easier to keep track of all the garbage.
oh shit bro! been a while since i've seen one of your vids and the algo brought me back to you. When did you make the switch?? Awesome stuff man, and Dr. Israetel is a damn legend
This is great, you even got Jared feather and his dad.
By far, THE BEST explanation of how carbohydrates and insulin play in to the muscle-growth processes that i’ve EVER heard.
It has nothing to do with muscle growth, but with intermolecular fat. Stop carbo and sugar and you'll deflate like a balloon.
Even so, I prefer being carnivore. I just feel way too damn good!
@@nin6246 yeah maybe you don’t train as hard.
@@Themilkman95Maybe we're different and it fits him better 🤯
@@DamianSzajnowski were not that different. what he said is accurate and at the same time it does not invalidate his opinion of feeling too damn good. both are most likely true in this case, making your comment the only worthless one. granted his comment is condesending but atleast its true.
As always, Dr. Mike is a god at narating this klind of stuff, love to listen to these types of videos
Jesus loves you so much he died for you and rose again for you so that you could be saved from hell, repent and believe the Gospel
Dr.mike is a doctor not a god. 👍
@@Matthew34801 what does that have to do with Dr Mike lmao
@@valkarcy just spreading the truth of the Gospel, God bless you
Your discipline is what's most impressive to me besides your amazing results and talents, Tristyn.
Me, my wife and 3 daughters have all followed Dr. mikes dietary guidelines and are doing a deficit to lose and are able to stick with it and are losing weight and feel unrestricted
Calorie deficit is older than the dinosaur 😂😂😂…it’s scientifically proven. People need to remember that it took years to put on their weight. So take your time. I lost 40 Lbs in about two years and five years later still maintain my weight. The trick for me is 200 calories day deficit, going to bed early, cutting out breakfast and snacking on Air popped popcorn on weekends. Also eat a ton of vegetables as they are low in calories and fill you up. In fact buy a wok throw in vegetables olive oil garlic ginger etc (your choice) maybe finely chopped meat it’s filling low in calories and healthy.
I love the part about soreness. When I was eating a "healthy" whole food diet I had the DOMS feeling almost every day. My legs felt as if I'd been doing squats without any exercise or with mild hiking. On Carnivore, I barely get DOMS after a big workout. It's really nice not to have the pain but there is a missing feedback mechanism there that prevents people doing junk reps maybe.
It may be the creatine
Carnivore diet is naturally high in creatine, and it promotes recovery and boosts performance.
I'm a vegetarian and adding a creatine supplement woked wonders for me.
Creatine was certainly helpful for me in the pre-carnivore days but it came with an off side-effect I've never read about. Pain in places I hadn't had pain before, and that went away when I stopped taking it.
@@animatedmvs8818 Mike Israetel disagrees with that and argues that lack of DOMS is suboptimal for muscle growth.
Probably less inflammation from lack of insulin spikes. Probably sub-optimal to minimize all inflammation for muscle building but if it helps you get more work in nice.
@@moonlightrouge3956 I think Mike was saying the carnivore diet gives rise to high amounts of inflammation.
I think you should change the thumbnail and title to show that you’re starting to eat carbs, or no longer doing carnivore. It would get a lot more people to click on the video, since you’ve been notorious for carnivore.
I don’t think you know what notorious means lol
I've been on Ketovore & Carnivore for many years (over 12 years in total), especially the last 3+ years on Extreme Elimination Diet (the Lions diet) because of my Chronic Rheumatoid Arthritis! It helps me incredibly! I've also been following Tristyn's path for about these 3-4 years! I think it's great how well his health has improved in a positive way, mentally, and physically Tristyn now looks healthier with a little more healthy body fat percentage.... From time to time for athletic competition - competition wanting to be extremely lean for a few weeks is okay....But not 1-2 years tormenting yourself like that! I love my carnivore lifestyle because I have less pain, inflammation and need to take less medication! But if this diet is not for everyone, it requires a lot of discipline and also certain knowledge, because you can damage your metabolism in the long run if you take it too extreme! Greetings from 🇨🇭 Switzerland 🤗
damage your metabolism? what does that even mean? sounds made up
Shur your mouth
If the Carnivore diet worked for you, why did you find the need to go to the Lions diet?
@@gcoates7there’s not big difference. At the end is just a preference
I have the same results on my Omnivore diet. No processed foods. Carnivores and Vegans look very unhealthy, emaciated after about 5-10 years. You’re on a food elimination diet is what helped with your arthritis…not the meat.
Terrific interview and enlightening clarification on the carnivore diet.
Amazing your working with literally the best people you could be working with in this industry!!
Science is beautiful! 👏🏽
Very insightful. Love these types of videos. I lost over 100lbs with a keto diet. I was at 265lbs now I’m at 168lbs. I’m deciding to add more carbs into my diet to help build muscle along side high protein
the math aint mathing here.
@user-pm7pw1tl3t I mean, if they went from 265 to 165 and then started to try and bounce back up, how is that not correct? Additionally, depending on the scale or the day, you can fluctuate by about 3lbs. I usually gain 2-3lbs after I chug a bunch of water and eat breakfast.
@@user-pm7pw1tl3tWhat isn't mathing? If they were overweight af, losing weight first is usually the goal. Then depending how you like lifting and the exercises you just maintain your new healthy lifestyle or start going more into building muscle or even X sport.
I would love to see a debate with Mike and dr Anthony Chaffee
Mostly about health on carnivore
Me too!
Would like to see as well. Much needed conversation - both parties would at bare minimum improve their perception accuracy of each other's nutrition M.O.
Anthony chaffee is a fraud and a liar....I agree that animal proteins and fats are healthy....but Chaffee is doing nothing but lies....like Bart kay....like all of them.
Yes. Or even just a nuanced discussion.
Chaffee thinks plants cause cancer so his take would be pretty biased.
I like leaning towards carnivore simply because I have food allergies to a lot of veggies and not being able to digest them well. Been like this all my life. I've found that if I focus on meat, fruit, sprouted grains (Ezekiel bread), jasmine rice or yellow potato's, nuts, avocado oil/olive oil, and cottage cheese, I tend to feel amazing. The second I introduce veggies, I get bloated and feel like I am slowing down.
Have u tried low fodmap?
@@jackychong268 Some of the foods that I eat that work well for me are avoided when following that diet.
@@rouvenkoller Pretty much. There are a few at my gym that bitch about it yet it's the best diet on the planet. They also bitch they cannot seem to build lean tissue tissue either and they looks very sickly and soft.
Listen, I went carnivore from doing vegan and vegetarian diets... I feel 80% better.
@@jackychong268 Jesus loves you so much he died for you and rose again for you so that you could be saved from hell, repent and believe the Gospel
This video doesn’t have enough views. This is a great explanation of how diets affect bodies. Detangling food philosophy is so hard. They made it look easy
It’s safe to say everything doesn’t work for everyone. Key take away from this video for me is just eat real food, stay away from garbage foods and you should be ok. If you have health issues since birth like me then you will understand why an elimination style approach to eating is a godsend. I just wanna feel better. I think that’s what everybody wants who is suffering from a degree of sickness or disease. - clearly don’t eat junk guys. Stay away from it and heal. Go for quality.
Im.on a dirt diet....best diet every !!!😂
And what is included in your “ Real Food “
I’ve tried carnivore, keto, almost vegetarian (fish and veggies only) and a balanced diet of mixed veggies, various proteins (chicken, turkey, salmon, tuna, pork and carbs. Guess which one worked the best?
No surprise it’s the balanced diet of protein, carbs, healthy fats.
I feel much better and overall healthier with this diet than any of the others.
It works great for cutting/bulking too. For cutting I switch out the salmon for tuna and pork for turkey. Just doing that cuts out 500-700 calories. It’s great because I don’t have to lower my volume of food.
I’m sure some of these diets work for some people but…. Yeah a balanced diet is just better for most people. I think these people just go into these with terrible diets and feel better and think that this is it, the peak
@@SentralkontrolIt's a cycle. People destroy themselves with bad diet, then go on extreme diets as a form of healing, only to dig themselves deeper into the hole of metabolic dysfunction.
I’m 33 and have been in a decade long permabulk. Tried reducing calories but that path always fails for me. Started carnivore on Jan 1st and loving it. But the ultimate plan is to use carnivore to cut from a 35% body fat down to about 10%, then do what Dr Mike says here: slowly add carbs back in and see how that goes. Working out without carbs just isn’t the same
how are you dong on this? am also at about 35% at 112kg, have been planning something similar, am cuurently low carb anyway
I still get big pumps but I dont get as sore so I never feel like my workouts were as good.
Thanks for providing this content.
I am currently reading Peter Attia's book outlive. It appears there are a lot of overlap when it comes to longevity and muscle building. Additionally some competing issues. I would be interested to see a video that covered how one could gain mass and increase performance (strength) while focusing on longevity.
Was just about to comment the exact same thing!
1st point. Stay off the drugs
I'm on a hybrid Carnivore + fruit diet. dried pine apple and meat is for me. I do have some breads once in a while. fresh fruit just shoots out of me like a cannon.
@@barakomamba Orange juice has as much added sugar as soda. It is not a good alternative to whole fruit.
fruit is just sugar. Some fruits are fake and bred to be sweeter than candy bars. Fructose is creating massive glycation in your body whether you know it or not because it is 10 times more glycating than glucose. In fact, the A1C test only tests for GLUCOSE glycation, funny right? It is one of the biggest kept secrets in the world; fruit is actually horrible for health.
Then use your iniative and squeeze fresh oranges into juice @@brye6690
@@barakomambayou are so wrong it’s insane
@@brye6690It's not an alternative because it has no fiber. It has no added sugar, it's all from the fruit.
A lot of us eat this way due to auto immune disease not to look shredded
@CronksGeneticsbs
@CronksGenetics something tells me you've never heard of celiac disease
@CronksGenetics There is no such thing as an auto immune system. There is an immune system.
And it is known if you have Hashimoto's autoimmune disease that eating gluten will increase the immune system's attack on the thyroid gland.
most people who "cure" their autoimmune disease with carnivore (or any fad cure all diet) never had a disease in the first place
@jamessturgeon2727 Dr Mike addressed this starting at 35:49
I love this video, such a chill vibe
I've been on the carnivore diet for nearly 11 months and I'm putting on muscle easier than any other time in my life. I'm also completely lean with a very low fat percentage.
I started the diet for mental reasons still struggling with mental issues but physically I have never been happier with my body. I’m super shredded and it’s super easy to put on muscles.
@Hossaly97 what exactly are you eating? You still using seed oils to cook the meat? Are you using seasonings? You eating any veggies or fruits? Still eating sugar? Usually from my experience if you have something like that still in there even if it's a little it'll make a big difference.
Congrats youre an exception.
Don’t confused HEALTH and Bodybuilding
They are two SEPARATE goals!
Find the Balance for your own GOALS!
You guys are insane, you'll desperately search for a reason to not give up keto/move the land post every single time.
@@khronos2213 bro, most people take up the carnivore diet to fix their health issues, they don’t do it to become IFBB professional bodybuilders.
If you want to become a pro BB that requires a separate diet.
@@Dexduzdiz Just regular resistance training is impeded by this let alone bodybuilding. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my orevoius comment, but the carnivore/keto diet isn't sustainable. Younger people can do it because their bodies are more resilient and even then only for a few years. People mainly take it for some allergies, weight loss, autoimmune diseases... Most of the benifits could be experienced from the weightloss alone, it could have even erased some of the other issues. For anything else it's just an elimination diet just like they said. You need carbs, you need fiber. Ketones are an emergency energy source. Emergency energy sources shouldn't be used for prolonged periods of time.
@@khronos2213you do not need carbs and fiber mate what are you talkin about
@@khronos2213if you're right, then massive kudos to all our ancestors who lived before the aggricultural revolution. They managed to survive on that "unsustainable" diet for millions of years. Thank God we started eating vegetables otherwise who knows how much longer we would have had to eat that terrible diet
Very insightful. My diet is basically keto aside from ingesting carbs with protein immediately post workout
Not surprisingly, RP literally knows all. To listen to anyone else for education on any kund of physique training and diet would likely be unwise
The gut microbiome thrives on fibrous carbohydrates. Your gut is responsible for so many processes including even serotonin production. Not eating fiber is to my knowledge very bad for your gut. There was a study done by a husband and wife research team (I forget their names - Justin and someone else) that put lab mice on a high vs. low fiber diet for 4 generations of mice and found: the mice on a low fiber diet lost, and irrecoverably, something like 80% of the species of bacteria in their gut microbiome. Imagine the amount of gut bacteria we all don't have due to the American cheeseburger and French fry diet that has persisted for so long.
Anyway, food for thought. Thank you guys so much for your video and great attention to research and modern scientific literature. Dr. Mike has taught me so much in my new found love (3 months in) for weightlifting. Thank you!!
I found them, the sonnenburgs! Watch their stuff. Fascinating!
Tristyn you always follow the best diet and inspire to all for best muscle grow
I started to die for mental reasons and they really thought about the physical aspect of it, but since I started the diet, I have never been leaner in my life. Super easy to put muscles so much energy! Couldn’t be happier with my physique right now
500g of Carbs is 2000 calories, btw....
I think Jared needs ten cups of coffee, holy shit I have never seen a person yawn that much in 40 minutes
Haha. Just finished a contest prep and dug a HUGE amount of systemic fatigue
I do a form of hyper carnivore. I eat some fruit berries and vegetables, but I restrict grains starch and processed sugar. This is where I feel my personal best . That being said I will have some dextrose, clusterdextrin or honey intra workout every now and then .
Why? Dextrose aint even real sugar, why not just eat sugar.
@@FrightF faster absorbed than table sugar.
@@davidbagge2813yeah, that's why it's a bad thing..
@@mikafoxx2717 all depends. It's not a bad thing it's a tool!
I do the same regarding incorporating carnivores mix with vegetables some fruits. Lost 17kg in 2 months with no efforts but I do fasting aswell between 1-2 days per weak . 6 kg left until best i am I’m my best fit
Great video! I love hearing a conversation an actual professional nutritionist
You'll love my debunking then, from someone that IS a nutritionist, qualifying in Human Nutrition.... 😬 Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh urghhhhh 😑
He's not a nutritionist lol he studied nutrition as a part of his degrees, yes, and he is knowledgable, yes (talking about Jared), but not a nutritionist and obviously not a professor. Mike is a professor, but not for nutrtion either.
@@RedHeadSH0T nope they are just both people who know how to gain muscle like bodybuilders. Which is what this video focuses on.
99% of nutritionists tell you to eat grain so there's not much to praise from that title
Great video! Thank you, I learned a ton!
I can tell you personally when I deliberately started adding more carbs and realizing how important they were I gained way more muscle and had way more energy in the gym. I was doing low carb crap at 1st kuz I was just following along with what was popular. I got lean on carbs as well. I absolutely love carbs and protein and fats sneak their way into my diet as well. But the high carb life is where it’s at if you lift weights regularly.
This was a good discussion guys. I would love to hear mike and jared talk more about factors that can help a lot in advanced individuals be it nutritionally, training or "supplement" wise.
Genuine question, why add vegetables? They don't taste good at all and the fiber is contra indicated.
Have you only eaten steamed unseasoned vegetables your whole life or something?
There are many vegetables, all differing in taste and texture, and can be cooked in hundreds of different ways. Experiment with recipes from all over the world, and I promise you'll find something delicious.
Carnivore workin just fine for me.
BEST INFO FOR ME. I WILL BE ON CARNIVORE DIET FROM THIS DAY FORWARD. LEAN IS WHAT I NEED.
maybe it wasnt the diet that was the problem, its training hard every day, taking NO deloads and staying unnaturally lean? not to take away from mikes take on carbs, but still.
My boy in white tee was a sleep 💤 for a while 😂
The guy falling asleep the whole podcast is wild..
Simply talking so much about carbs put him to sleep 😂
You're not dealing with metabolic conditions or health issues. When Mike says you can be "healthy" following any low-processed food diet, that simply isn't the case for specific illnesses. Cancer leaps to mind, where the protocols we use (therapeutic clinician nutrition) are ketogenic in nature due to cellular fermentation issues. But for "healthy" people and super low bodyfat types like you, sure. Just keep an eye out for any signs of early insulin resistance. If you spot them, back off the carbs. Otherwise, have at it. And if you feel okay being a bit bloated and farting all the time, great. And all that said, Mike is a super smart, well-spoken guy who really took an intelligent approach to this. Really enjoyed the video Tristyn. Thank you.
You are impressively good at talking shit without sounding like you’re talking shit
If you have cancer you are not healthy ya dunce
It should be points our that a zero carb diet contributes to relying on ldl for universal energy distribution that can lead to lean mass hyper response. My cholesterol was ldl being 6 times higher (10mmol/l ldl) but that was also after 8h cycling 🚴♀️ for a week. This might now correspond to necessarily to point by point cvd risk in this environment, or it might in fact mean even higher risk ; a study is underway how this affects LMHR ( lean mass hyper responders).
Why didn’t you change your protein fat ratio to 30/70 that 20% of fat increase would have upped your calories? And wouldn’t that hyper calorie state take you out of fight or flight ?
This video is a work of art !
This video looks like it should have been a podcast
Learnt so much
What a great video!
I recorded a response to this video. It will be up today!
You'd be suprised how just eliminating starchy carbs completely and upping fats and only consuming carbs post workout helps
Richard Smith won the Pro European Championship Natural on a carnivore diet. Pretty much every person he was competing against was eating carbs. If carbs are so much better I would love to hear an explanation for this.
He was better than them genetically and maybe trained better. If he'd eaten carbs as well he likely would have been even bigger.
Anthony Chaffee MD
good podcast I saw that episode✔ ..these guys are stuck on carbs, I love all the excuses and explanations that justify eating junk carbs 😆
@@Yourmoma8onelike damn, would love to hear about your nutrition degree to talk about why carbs are so damn bad for you though, even more for everyone like carnivore adapts love to claim
@@nomebom7140glucose
Great video. But wtf is that hair 😂
Why even comment on something so superficial such as hair. Clearly you don't realize these types of social media comments can be hurtful.
@@Roxxyy26Did you see his fucking hair? No disrespect, I’m bald myself but shits funny
@@HeyJerry55 there is nothing wrong with his hair! Who cares if you don’t like it. It does not matter at all. If your comment is not kind or could be hurtful, keep it to yourself.
@@Roxxyy26 why did you assume I was talking about that hair specifically that you comment about … how about you mind your buisness & I’ll keep the comments that could “hurt” to myself.
Look man. I respect the hell out of Jared feather. He's brilliant and has an insane physique.... but her hair also SUCKS!
That fibre is good for your digestion is just very disputed. it doesn't mean that a lot nutritional experts say vegetables are healthy that it's true. because lot's of scientific literature is either outdated or just bad science. They are usually epidimilogical studies, not randomised controlled trials.
You don't need fibre for peristalsis, you don't need to bulk up your stool, this doesn't even make sense. You also don't need it for your gut microbiome because eating a lot of fibre will only make you get more bacteria that like fibre. If you don't eat fibre then you don't need them.
On the other hand, fibre can block the absorption of nutrients because it just sits there in your colon undigested,
Dr Mike, with saturated fat and cholesterol being good for testosterone, why have studies shown people on PCSK9 inhibitors drugs who have their cholesterol nuked have no change in testosterone? And why are vegans not low with testosterone? And why many carnivores, like Paul Saladino, saw their testosterone drop with a massive increase in saturated fat?
Probably iron overload, excess transferritin levels from my understanding
@@stevewood6192 350,000 years is long enough for me 🙏🏼💪🏼
@@stevewood6192 But that is my point, Paul ate a diet high in cholesterol and saturated fat and his testosterone went low. He added carbs back and his test went back to normal, the cholesterol was not helping his testosterone.
@@jordanesquetyson8223when in ketosis for too long SHBG will spike causing low free T. Introducing the carbs fixed his SHBG.
@compositionconsultant if you eat fruit and veggies there high in Iron/minerals which is what the body needs and requires at all times along with structured living water (H302) which makes up the molecular structure of your cells/dna, animal meat is very different don't eat poorly sourced meat get farmers market grass fed animal protien , and testosterone problems when eating too much meat Is called acidosis/euric acid/carbonic acid build up it destroys the testosterone/microbiome and ultimately the meat you it takes days/weeks/months to digest laking fruit veg to hel break that down is high risk , boost your testosterone easy off pure beet juice combined with Watermelon and coldpressed juices/smoothies no animal milk in smoothis ever its is puss and blood us plant milk , if you over consume meat and only that your putting your body in fight or flight/high stress/weak instead of homeostasis/healing/strong, listen to a dietitian not a nutritionist and I'm a RN (Nurse) this diet will kill you in the long run , the golden balance is key and he eats multiple times a day we suppose to eat 1 time a day but the carnivore diet only and that's it will catch up to you eat whole foods stop eating at 7pm fruit fast until your big meal come before 7pm
, look up brolygainz on YT look out how your body looks when you eat the right food vs a animal meat only diet , watch Yahki Awakend on TH-cam, Dr Bobby on TH-cam.
Vince Gironda ate steak and eggs six days of the week.
Saying things like carbs are the preferred fuel source for x-thing is wrong. Just because the body metabolizes it first doesn't mean it prefers it. Does the body also prefer alcohol or any other poison just because it clears it out of the system first and as fast as possible? Of course not. IMO, carbs for the body are akin to an octane booster for a car. Sure, you get more bang, but it puts more stress on the engine. It is not preference. It is the body prioritizing the restoration of homeostasis.
Your body makes glucose one way or another... Meaning that your body has to work harder to make the glucose rather than eating it directly. Come on man, think!
@@limitisillusion7 If that’s your logic, then why don’t you just inject insulin so your body doesn’t have to work harder to produce it? Come on, man. Think!
maybe your brain needs some more carbs to process this
@limitisillusion7 Exactly
@limitisillusion7 The body's need for glucose is so little that we can readily produce it. Maybe you should use your brain instead.
The body does not work harder to do this. You're just talking nonsense.
all Dr. Mikes argument says is that a carbohydrate adapted body runs well on carbohydrates and explains the mechanisms. Lets see Human Physiology expert and carnivore Dr. Bart Kay debate Dr. Israetel and I really like Dr. Israetel.
I wonder, if carbs are so great why do so many people feel better on low/zero carb diets?
They stop eating junk products being passed off as "food"
great for muscle building, doesn't mean great for general well being and health
Apex fallacy. Most people try thos stuff and go back to how they ate before because they DONT feel better. Look at all the carnivores switching to "animal based"
@@katobytesI think it’s more the variety that ppl miss and social outings not necessarily how they feel
@@lovelylora1700 I don't think people will give up on a diet that has supposedly miraculous effects on weight, autoimmune issues, allergies, etc; just because they can't eat cake with friends anymore. It's not like you become a social paraiah for jumping on the keto/carnivore bandwagon like everyone else. It's because they feel worse
are you gonna also go to bart kay and Dr Anthony Chaffee as well.
Nobody cares about Bart Kay, he’s just a idiotic man that chases views
A discussion between Dr. Mike and Dr. Chaffee would be very interesting. Both are good listeners and good communicators.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848does the Carni doctor have studies and meta analysis to back his assertions? If not it would be pointless to debate him
@Behindthejab, You need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I never said anything about a “debate”.
@@Behindthejabhe has plenty mate maybe watch some of his stuff or even kendberryMD has lots of good information
Can recommend keto-vore. It’s the carnivore diet but also implementing fruits for carbs and to fill in the missing vitamins.
You eat less on carnivore because you food is more nutritious and your appetite is not driven by insulin spikes. Also a high carbs diet promotes inflammation so much. This is why Doctor Mike thinks this guy is at peak health for his joints and connective tissue health. A standard American diet will only mess it up in the long term. Presentation targeted at muscle growth , not health at (19:00) we can all agree that with bodybuilder's health and life expectancy, it's maybe not a good idea to use their diet as a guideline. Richard Smith is a bodybuilding champion who achieved it on a carnivore diet. (34:00) Egyptians had lots of whole grain in their diets and they were riddled with serious health problems compared to their contemporary hypercarnivore homo-sapiens. Tooth decay, obesity, hearth problems.
You know to be honest Tristyn, I am worried about ur health. Keto increase ur ketones, ketones burn fat without moving, especially if ketones is ur main fuel source, then u proceed to carnivore diet and maintain 4% body fat, meaning u are too alkaline, it means U ARE BURNING FAT FROM KETO, AND THERES NOTHING ELSE TO BURN CUZ U ARE ON CARNIVORE. So what does the ketones do if there's no fat to be burned? it will attack ur cells. Did u know that keto diet, fasting, alkaline meals is the best treatment for cancer battling patients, cuz this meals are called cell killers which means if u are too alkalined ur cells will use retained body nutrients as a cellular energy, and if u don't have a retained nutrients u will have cell death, this is why cancer patients will benefit so much about being alkaline cuz its not just having cell death, it killing cancer cells too. This is why u are struggling to retain nutrients as much has u are struggling to gain weight.
You're just speaking nonsense mate.
This title is very misleading. He's not a doctor of anything diet related. He's not a doctor of anything that has to do with human biology. He's got a doctor degree in exercise and sports science. He's also been so overweight that he has permanent loose skin on his stomach. He also admittedly abuses steroids and has shared one of his cycles on TH-cam. He also believes there's no real difference in organic and non organic. He also believes artificial sweeteners aren't bad for you. He also has changed his opinion on multiple things since the inception of his TH-cam channel. He also disagrees with every single highly successful bodybuilding coach and bodybuilder on several aspects of..... You guessed it..... Bodybuilding. I used to think this guy was the end all be all and over years of my bodybuilding journey learned he's just another TH-camr who has found his own sales pitch in the fitness community in the form of a "science based" approach. Very smart man but far from right about everything.
hes built more muscle than you would in 10 life times
@@Classicalliberal85 you obviously don't know me or you would know that's not true. But ok. I've built half the muscle he has in 10 years of being mostly natty and even when I wasn't less than half the gear of the cycle he has shared and half the training while working a very physically strenuous job and not being anywhere as close to being on point on my diet as him. Mike has been on steroids for many years, me only about one. Sooooo.......... Worship him if you want but he's not right about everything.
this was very informative
500 grams of carbs sounds excessive at first glance, like thats an insane amount of carbs, and then to transition from no carbs into that is like insane. I remember tom platz talking about how he thought the key to weight loss or something like that was switching between very high and very low carb diets, not sticking to one but alternating
Apparently, in opposite land, it’s good to have a diet high in saturated fats, because that’s needed for hormone production. Bro science 101.
OMG! Tell me about it
It's amazing how much misinformation is spreading out there. I guess it's not my body, so whatever. Kinda sad though to watch people destroy their longevity because they reject the overwhelming consensus for... something. What exactly that something is, I do not know.
Seems like the best option is to create a pro-carnivore TH-cam channel while eating a plant based diet.
This was excellent, I'm glad I watched it for breakfast. I'm loving eating 300-500g of carbs per day, it's not making me fat, it's keep my stomach flat!!!
Yuck. And then again not most people cannot do zero carbs it takes extreme discipline as almost every single person on Earth is addicted to sugar.
@@arthurfonzarelli9828 "Yuck"? It's an entire macronutrient lol
If you can live life without consuming carbs, it is not an essential nutrient. You cannot live without protein and fat…
Carnivores are just reverse vegans. It’s a religion to them, completely with confirmation biased research and cherry picking
The "real" talk occurred offline, when they all discussed Tristan's PED cycle, and whatever changes he needs to make, according to the 2 experts there.
Cool story
what justification do you have for this theory?
Fr ngl.
Everyone with a better body than you is on steroids. Duh!
I’d like to know what the difference would be if steroids etc were taken out of the equation, would you be able to chugalug carbs and put large amounts of muscle on or just get fatter?
So, you decide to take carbs again ?
You guys(the comments) are insane, you'll desperately search for a reason to not give up keto/move the land post every single time.
I don’t find body building optimal or healthy. Carnivore is incredible life style I have taken on for last 5 years. The benefits is more then just weight lost. The average human isn’t looking to be a bodybuilder but to be fit and healthy.
Carnivore is awesome for everyone. Plain and simple
I live in Johnson City Tennessee. It's super cool to hear you had anything at all to do with our little bullshit city Mike!
Do these guys know it’s not normal to look like they have extra sets of muscles? Just sayin the sample pic of health would not be them.
On a low carb diet cortisol spikes higher and takes longer to normalize after just 20 min of exercise. This can be super detrimental to someone trying to reach health and fitness goals. Cortisol is catabolic so harder to gain muscle. Cortisol also drives insulin resistance which impedes on weight loss goals
100%.. I had pseudo Cushings. My cortisol was crazy high non stop.. I was on sick leave for a year. Belly fat, loss of hair and muscle mass gone when cortisol is high. I do notice keto, low carb and prolonged fasts get my cortisol up. It also makes my PCOS worse!
Cortisol encourages glucose release into the blood. It's indicated
@@carnivore-muscle Yeah it’s indicated so we don’t die from hypoglycemia, it’s just not smart relying on stress hormones to regulate blood sugar. Cortisol suppresses thyroid hormone output and conversion in the liver, catabolizes proteins from tissues to make glucose, destroys the thymus and lymphatic system over time which suppresses the immune a system, increases lipolysis so more insulin resistance via randle cycle, etc.
Possible that the soreness from carbs has something to do with the glycogen transfer process out of the muscle tissue from muscular exercise.
The real reason why you get more soreness out of carbs means your insulin and blood sugars up if not to the roof then through the roof, filling muscles with glycogen essentially (water) giving the fuller look just not actually muscle being added if your really get into how all this works metabolically in your body. In the long run this will just cause insulin resistance and dump yourself in a ditch and decrease your longevity even though you will be healthy you can feel healthier by going back to the carnivore diet mainly for health and how you feel benefits, even though you are metabolically ok due to age. Carbs are sugar in your body, and a lot of pro body builders have died or will end up F’ed up in the long run using insulin, if you need insulin due to excess carbs you are making yourself unhealthier by the day. And by the way the reason you feel your best on meat and saturated fat is because ketones are your bodies preferred energy not sugar (sugar is crack basically) if you want extra calories you can be friends with heavy cream and add 900 calories with a cup of heavy cream in a nice big morning Latte I do this myself in a big glass, a couple pumps sugar free vanilla syrup 1/4 cup coconut milk and a measuring cup of heavy cream then froth and a shot of expresso 👌 you also can do it without the coffee and just use the coffee if needing a laxative basically as it works as a soft laxative 😉
You can be healthy on all meat and healthy on mostly vegetable matter but that's taken from people's averages. You can only know what works FOR YOU. I ate "healthy" for years with massive weights, joint, mood, energy and skin problems. They all went away of Carnivore. Keto didn't quite work but Ketovore worked perfectly and is sustainable for me. Meta, Fish, Eggs, Butter, Feta and Coffee. We need to experiment with our individual systems to find out what works FOR US. Experts and studies can only tell you what they found worked for people who aren't you and most of them had poor methodology and came into it trying to find one outcome or another. If Carnivore made you a physical specimen, why change?
37:15 , No mainstream scientific establishment says that you can eat all meats and be very healthy. I'd love to see some citations for that claim though. Literally all the mainstream science establishments show plant dominant diets for long term health. They don't say you have to be vegan though.
Yea they cap 🧢. Plants is the way to go
There isn’t really any solid studies on long-term carnivore diets. Eventually we will know if they help long term or not.
I guess these guys are in the "calories in calories out" camp
The camp with a functioning brain?
Ah yes, the camp where it's nice and warm by the fire, foot rotating on the spit, great friends and everyone happy having even a baseline of scientific literacy. Much better than those other camps that are little more than snake oil salesmen hunkered over a dumpster fire.
@@greenenoiseaudio
"Scientific literacy"
your hilarious
The evidence based approach with tons of data to substantiate it works? Yeah we are all in that camp.
I guess you are in the non evidence based “meat heals” group?
Though Dr is on many things right i disagree that on carbs you can run exercise longer. Body in ketosis is mych smarter using energy. With carbs you just draw out glycogen and you are done. A guy running on fat fuel will just last longer
In order to promote muscle growth you have to understand the entire process from start to finish. Muscle creation, or hypertrophy, starts with resistance exercises causing microscopic muscle damage. This triggers inflammation and activates satellite cells, specialized stem cells. These cells fuse with existing muscle fibers, leading to new myofibrils and muscle growth. Protein is essential for this process, providing amino acids for protein synthesis. Potassium, trace minerals, fat soluble, and B-vitamins are also essential and act as the cofactors that activate the enzymes that promote muscle growth. Carbohydrates main function in promoting muscle growth is only to fuel post-workouts and replenish glycogen, while healthy fats and micronutrients support overall muscle health. I would not recommend carbohydrates pre-workout or during your meals and would use them strictly for post-workout recovery.
It is also important to note that to much protein can actually decrees muscle growth because your body can only absorb so much protein during the day. I would recommend 30% of your total calories to come from protein any more than this will just cause more damage on the liver and pancreas and could lead to your body using protein as its main fuel source. I would also like to point out that we don't need as many carbohydrates to promote muscle growth than what is advertised. Our body is able to produce and consume glucose from fat's in the form of gluconeogenesis. Don't get this confused with glyconeogenesis which is the break down of protein that get converted into glucose which is what I was just talking about earlier. If you consume higher fat-protein ratios and you have the right amount of nutrients to promote muscle cell growth you shouldn't ever need to worry about muscle loss.
better to use the carbs rather than having wasted protein for energy, cheaper too
I can’t find information on glyconeogenisis. Would you point me to some articles?
@@Classicalliberal85carbs aren't cheaper. Carbs require you to eat more and more often which costs more to maintain. Buying 2 weeks worth of meat is so much cheaper then 2 weeks of groceries with carbs
@@mikepullman2513 rice costs like $20 per 25 lb bag, but carbs are too expensive, gotcha😂
Damn where did you copy and paste this from😅😅 for real very very well
Weighed 145 lb at 37 years old I am now 40 weighing 195 eating mostly whole foods training till failure full range of motion controlled eccentric... I don't really have a diet I eat when I'm hungry and supplement with protein/ egg white/ powdered peanut butter shakes twice a day a can of straight chicken breast in the morning 50 g of protein 240 calories
Roast beef and grass-fed cheese roll-ups with no bread for lunch usually about seven of them which is another 60 g of protein and around 400 500 calories followed by a second lunch of a protein shake which is 600 calories and 70 g of protein dinner usually being sweet potato too hard boiled eggs and some red meat equaling around 500 calories and 50 g of protein topped off with a final shake at the end of the day same as the afternoon
Go ahead and critique me I'm ready I need the help ready to be 220
Mike took 5 minutes to say "carnivore was bad for you because you weren't eating enough".
Why are they both falling asleep? What time was it filmed at 😂
Carnivore is brilliant for health it may not be ideal for body building but lets be honest body building is taking the human body beyond where its would normally sit
I eat donuts and maintain 25% bodyfat with no problem.
Nope. I ate Whole Foods, mostly plant based, some fish and seafood and suffered thyroid problems and horrible migraines. Now a carnivore and all that is gone. I will never go back.
carbs isnt a essential nutrient
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video
@@banufitnessyou're a carb addict. I can tell this is a 'FACT'.
You don't need a house or car either. You can use a bike or use a tent as a shelter as well.
@@banufitness these meat heads are so god damn dumb. I admit, fat and meats are more appetizing, does that mean we should only eat those things? Should we do only do heroin since it feels good? Idiots, they are all going to get heart attacks in a few years.
27:17 Maybe if you had made progress for 5 years on a high-carb diet and then switched to a carnivore diet, you would have broken through the plateau as well? Maybe it wasn't the type of change that made you break through the plateau, but just the fact that you made a significant change by itself.
This is the video version of the buff guys help out nerdy kid meme where they get increasingly more verbose, except the kid is also buff too
I don't think their hypothesis for the weight loss is correct. When you are fat adapted and switch from beta oxidation pathways to more glycolytic pathways for atp production, it takes 2 weeks to adapt to the new fuel source. While that occurs, your body cannot convert the unadapted fuel source to ATP as efficiently, so you end up with weight loss. This works both from carbs to fat and fat to carbs.
I would assume that working out like these guys do, you need carbs maybe cause they're unnaturally stressing their bodies out for crazy muscle growth.
An unnatural diet for an unnatural lifestyle.
I think he eats the carnivore diet because he's been taking massive amounts of growth hormone for years for his stunted growth and doesn't want insulin resistance. Just a hunch
"You can eat all plants and be insanely healthy"
....and we're dealing with a quack here, folks.
What nutrients are excluded?
Mike: saturated fat also reduces cortisol. Carbs are not necessary.
The moderate insulin spike you get from protein alone is more than enough for all the muscle synthesis you need. Zero issues with doing carnivore for cutting or bulking, but if you do want to gain more fat with muscle then I would certainly recommend including carbohydrates!
Amazing
The brain may prefer glucose for energy, but it functions better on ketones. People wouldn't recommend not eating carbs for an academic test because they're still conditioned to use glucose. On keto, you could very well do much better without carbs, because the carbs will cause brain fog--once you're fully adapted at 4-6 weeks of keto. (May change across years, because the body becomes accustomed to ketones, so csrb cycling *is* best of both worlds).
That said, it seems strange to me that the introduction of carbs would cause an explosion of energy and pumps after so many years of carnivore. I had thought it was proven the body loses the ability to use carbs for explosive movements after too long on keto or carnivore. I would also wonder about placebo effect, and social reinforcement of "carbs good, meat bad".
In addition, intermittent or prolonged fasting could generate very sharp cognitive function.
I'd be careful with bodybuilder carb preference, IMO. I also get MASSIVE pumps somehow after eating pumpkin seeds pre-workout. Maybe the magnesium and arginine.
I'm testing out a keto diet bulk with ~20 net carbs per day. I'm gaining .75-1 pound per week as a 5-6 year intermediate with a 280 pound bench as a 160 pounder. I.e., I'm trained and still getting good keto gains. Only 2 months keto (previous history of up to 2 years on keto, interspaces with carb refeeds to keep body aware csrbs exist).
IMO, instead of jumping straight to carbs from carnivore, he should have just tried keto and pumping some heavy whipping cream, avocados, fibrous greens, and MCT oil for bulking. I'm hitting 3200 calories fairly easily with that method (and some tasty keto deserts).
Still strong AF. Worst part is potential cramping due to electrolyte imbalances or deficiencies. Fuck that sucks. But, just make sure to drink the electrolytes pre-workout.
This feels a bit too carb evangelical to me. Not sure there's enough data to really compare and contrast properly. Dude just straight up said he couldn't eat hypocalorically, so it's not a fair comparison, number 1.
Also keto helps keep my PTSD under control, so that's a huge benefit to me. Significantly fewer instances of "omg everyone is trying to murder me," which is a definite plus.
Even so, I still would love to see a comprehensive meta-analysis on keto bulking, carnivore bulking, and carb bulking. I doubt enough studies exist to justify the anti-keto/carnivore position aside from "bodybuilders would be doing it if it were the best." Maybe so, but I wonder.
It's probably not you as a person it's the length of your comment. Try and summarize next time. Just a suggestion.
Why would an optimal diet for humans take 4-6 weeks to "adapt" to 😂😂😂 just eat normal bro
@@katobytes Normal isn't a thing anymore with all the pesticides and chemicals on our food, bro. Animal products don't have all that shit, if you get the right stuff grass fed and no hormones/antibiotics it's easier to keep track of all the garbage.
oh shit bro! been a while since i've seen one of your vids and the algo brought me back to you. When did you make the switch?? Awesome stuff man, and Dr. Israetel is a damn legend