Thank you sir, l have been saved many years. If we could lose salvation FINISHED by the Lord Jesus Christ, then we are ALL lost forever. HE will never go to the cross again
If you are saved by grace through faith with zero works and zero performance, then why would someone think that you can lose your salvation by poor performance? Your performance, behavior, or any other physical metrics had nothing to do with your salvation. Jesus Christ paid all of our sin debt. The spotlight and ALL glory go to Christ. False teachers decided to gather all together and make a heretical documentary about how a believer can lose their salvation based on the believer's actions. These false teachers are unbelievers because they do not believe in the record that God gave us about his Son. If you believe on the Son of God, you have eternal life that can't be lost! Nothing you can do can separate you from the love of God. 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Amen ! "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work". Romans 11v4
I genuinely have a question though. I’m sorry I don’t know where it is but in the Bible does it say if you know the knowledge the truth of Gods word and chose to ignore or live the opposite will God deny you on judgement day? What does that mean. What scripture was that?
Paul's comparison with works and grace is directly connected to covenant relationship vs promise In galatians, Paul is very specific in stating this. Romans 11 comes right after Romans 9 and 10. Paul is talking about covenant relationship vs promise.
Works trusters be like wait a minute so your telling me I can have 700 wives/concubines I can run after other gods and I can build an alter to molek to SACRAFISE BABIES! at and still be saved? ...Free gracer : YUP! ask king solomon about it
There's about 1050 commands to obey (I didn't read all of them but I basically know what they are from reading the new testament) with two of them being give to those who ask of you and whoever takes your stuff don't ask for it back. We must obey all of the commands.
The Holy Spirit helps us be obedient to the commandments of Jesus. Why do you think God gives us His Spirit? Old Testament they didn’t have His Spirit only a select few. New Testament His Spirit is with those who believe to help them obey.
@@PlaymakersInTheFaith But it’s the choice of the person to either walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit. No one walks in the Spirit perfectly. The Holy Spirit can convict you of something, but it’s up to you to obey or not, and disobedience results in chastisement.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell There are 613 Laws. Jesus fulfilled the Law on our behalf, because He was perfect and we can never be. Jesus said there are two commandments: ”And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.“ - 1 John 3:23 KJV 1. Believe in Christ (this is how we are saved) 2. Love one another (this can only be properly done once you are saved, thus it’s not a requirement) Obeying the Law is not required to be saved. We are not even under the Law, we’re under Grace (Romans 6:14-23).
Brother, I am so glad you made this video, so many Christians get this wrong, the holy spirit is working through you. They undermine what our Savior did.
2 seconds into the video and ,, These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God. '' comes into mind and Luke 10:20.
**”Once saved, always saved” refuted** CAN A CHRISTIAN FALL AWAY? CHRISTIANS (those truly "saved to begin with") CAN: 1. Depart from the faith (1 Tim. 4:1) 2. Wander away from the faith (1 Tim. 6:10) 3. Swerve from the faith (1 Tim. 6:21) 4. Abandon our faith (1 Tim. 5:12) 5. Make shipwreck of our faith (1 Tim. 1:19) 6. Fall from grace (Gal. 5:4) 7. Desert him who called you and turn to a different gospel (Gal. 1:6) 8. Receive the grace of God in vain (2 Cor. 6:1) 9. Swerve from the truth, upsetting the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:18) 10. Drift away from the truth (Heb. 2:1) 11. Have an evil, unbelieving heart, leading us to fall away from the living God (Heb. 3:12) 12. Be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Heb. 3:12-14) 13. Fail to reach the promise of entering into His rest (Heb. 4:1) 14. Fall by disobedience to enter His rest (Heb. 4:11) 15. Fall away and impossible to restore unto repentance (Heb. 6:4-6) 16. Deliberately go on sinning and no longer have a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:26-27) 17. Shrink back (Heb. 10:38) 18. Fail to obtain the grace of God (Heb. 12:15) 19. Wander from the truth (James 5:19-20) 20. Forsake the right way (2 Peter 2:15) 21. Become entangled and overcome AFTER having escaped them (2 Peter 2:20-21) 22. Be carried away with the error of lawless people and lose our stability (2 peter 3:17) 23. Commit a sin leading to death (1 John 5:16) 24. Stop abiding in the teaching of Christ (2 John 1:9) 25. Be taken out of the book of life (Revelation 22:19) 26. Be not forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:14-15) 27. Be thrown in with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46) 28. Perform miracles and still be rejected by Jesus (Matthew 7:21-28) 29. Be condemned for not walking in the Spirit (Romans 8:1/8:13) 30. Be spewed out by Jesus for being lukewarm (Revelation 3:15-17)
Amen!! So...Ive regretted watching the original documentary, because now Im getting notifications of shorts or reels defending their doctrine of devils, and probably also because I commented on that video refuting their stance. If OSAS is not true then Jesus died in vain. Context, context, context!
They don’t believe they can lose their Salvation they only believe that others can lose theirs, don’t believe me? Just ask any of them if they ever lost their Salvation and hear their answer.
You cant lose your salvation if your up n Jesus Christ , but you can always walk away from him and live a life of sin not wanting to do anything with Jesus Christ. You remember even in the bible it said many will fall away and not want anything to do with faith anymore. Yes you can turn away from your faith. At the end it was faith that Got us saved and God's grace to save us.
@@k4CLive the fall away from “the” faith not from “Their” faith it’s always the noun and not the verb they fall away from the teaching not their belief I’ll explain my position soon also with the Greek language, busy now
How's about working out our salvation with fear and trembling, because Hebrews 10 says if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth no sacrifice for sins is left but only fearful expectation of judgment and raging fire that will consume the enemies of God, sin is lawlessness, in 1 John 3 says no one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God seed remains in him he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God, not to mention 2nd Peter warns of people that twist Paul's writings for lawlessness, if we're not saved by works, why would it say work out our salvation with fear and trembling,
A better way to understand this translation from the Hebrew language is in "awe and expectation." Then read onto the next phrases and it explains how it is GOD.. GOD who works in you to will and act according to His good purpose. You can expect these things because of the salvation you have and the work the Lord will do in you in receiving, living and RESTING in the truth of the Gospel. That you are redeemed, saved and alive in Christ!
Hebrews 10 is just saying that if we keep sinning (as we all do), then we should be looking for God’s judgment (or chastisement). And it is actually affirming that we can’t lose our salvation because it is saying that it is impossible for a believer to get saved, and then lose it, and then get it back, because Jesus would literally have to keep dying and paying for our sins over and over again to provide salvation for us. But we know that Jesus died ONCE FOR ALL for all time. He provided salvation once, and a person can only be saved once. Therefore we are eternally secure because we can only get saved one time because Jesus isn’t going to keep coming back and paying for sin every time we mess up.
You can't lose salvation once you believe the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Once you are saved, sealed and sanctified, you will always be saved, sealed, and sanctified. Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. God will not change His mind once someone believes on Christ, it's set in stone. God will never leave us nor forsake us.
The majority of Christians don't believe in eternal security? How would he know that? Why this is even debated I do not know. Jesus is very clear in John 3 four times, John 6 twice, and John 10 twice. Eternal life is not probationary. Thank you for defending this precious gift.
The real issue thats probably leading to this argument is due to people likely using the gospel as a sin license. The bible does speak about not using the gospel as a means to sin in Titus 2:11-12, Romans 6, and even criticizes those who preaches a sin license gospel in Jude 1:4.
Yeah people believe Just Cuz Christ saved us we can still live a life any way and still go to heaven. & If you do sin repent quickly. Because sin leads to hell saved or not. So Osas is false doctrine. Yes we are saved and sealed but a believer can always walk away from the faith.
@@k4CLive well that’s the issue. There are and were people promoting the gospel as a means to sin. I personally believe OSAS is true and if someone walks away from the faith, they were never saved to begin with. Think about the seeds Jesus mentions in that one parable where one fell on good and bad ground. It’s the folks that’s seeing the gospel as hellfire insurance where their lives are marked by disobedience, no denying of self, and no fruit or any other evidence of the presence of God in them. They believed really in a sinners prayer or something like that.
@@gracealone89 read John 15. If osas was true that means I can live just like the world and if that's the case then what was the point of salvation and God's Law and why did Jesus Christ say don't quench the holy spirit
@@k4CLive That’s the whole point. A believer is FREED FROM THE LAW. We are no longer under the Law but under grace. And yes, a believer can live however they want to live and still go to heaven. Because salvation isn’t based upon how we live our lives. It’s based upon what Christ did for us on the cross. Make no mistake, we are exhorted to live our lives as Holy as possible, but even if we don’t, that doesn’t mean we lose our salvation. Please study out the word GRACE. Once you truly grasp what grace means it will blow your mind.
It’s funny because these works salvationists will tell you that “GOOD” works don’t save you, but you can lose it by doing “BAD” works 😂. Oh the irony and hypocrisy.
Romans 11 says, that if the saints that remained connected to the vine, because of having faith; don’t continue to believe, they will be cut off too. The fact that it’s even possible for them to be cut off, means that osas is false.
They talked about that in the documentary and took it out of context too. I examined it in more detail during the live reaction. The point of that passage is that the Jews never believed by grace. They were cut off for their UNBELIEF (Romans 11:20). So the warning is for Gentiles to believe so that they are also not cut off. It's not a warning to someone who has already believed. Context matters, people!
@@JeremiahPMensah It was definitely a warning to the those who stood by faith, not to boast against the natural branches, because the same thing could happen to them; if they should stop believing. Also, Paul made it clear, that it wasn’t even possible for them to be connected to the vine, unless they believed.
Does "fall away" mean people were saved but lost their salvation? That interpretation contradicts Ephesians 1:13-14. Does it refer to apostates who fully understood the way to salvation and rejected it, and now cannot be saved? That's an extreme view considering how many religious leaders rejected Jesus during His ministry but later joined the church (Acts 6:7).
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
What they are saying is that we can KNOW that we are saved RIGHT NOW, but we cannot know for sure that we will not turn away from the faith , fall away and thereby NOT BE SAVED in the future. There is no guarnetee that once we believe , we will ALWAYS believe, hence thr many warnings and exhortations and encouragements in scripture to CONTINUE IN THE FAITH.
Correct, isn’t it a fair comparison to say I believe 2+2=4 then not believe it. Kinda difficult to get to that place. I’d say you never believed to begin with.
"The faith" refers to the tenets of the Christian faith, not the faith in your heart. You can say you no longer believe but guess what? You've already been born of an incorruptible seed. If you say you no longer believe your parents are your parents, does it change your DNA? You can fall away from the truth, the faith, the doctrines, but it doesn't mean you have lost your salvation. It means you need to return to the truth.
@@JeremiahPMensah if that ia true then salvatiin is not by faith but by the sealing. This means having the seal is more inportant than believeing in Jesus. Belief in Jesus is then only a temporary thing needed to get the seal, so the focus is on the seal , not faith in Jesus. Multitudes of scriptures speak of the need to HAVE FAITH/HAVE JESUS. to have eternal life. The seal of the Spirit is the down payment , the mark that we belong to Him , so we can have the hope of the inheritance. Cannot a Son still be caat into the lake of fire of He denies the Lord who bought Him, rebels agaiant Him, begins to beat corrupt,and mislead His brothers and sisters , and fellow servants? God is no respector of persons , what He says to one He says to all. 2 Peter 2:1-22 ESV [1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even👉denying the Master 👉who bought them,👈 bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. [3] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. [4] 👉For if God did not spare angels when they sinned👈, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; [6] if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, 👉making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;👈[no partiality, even angels!!] [7] and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked [8] (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); [9] then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, [10] and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, [11] whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. [12] But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, [13] suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. [14] They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! [15]👉 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray👈. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, [16] but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. [17] These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. [18] For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. [19] They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. [20] For if, after they 👉have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,👈 they are👉 again👈 entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. [21] For it would have been better for them never to 👉have known the way of righteousness👈 than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. [22] What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog 👉returns👈[repents back to sin/rebellion] to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” 1 John 5:11-12 ESV [11] And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. The "seal " is not the testimony, the Son is. We onky have the Spirit pf Christ (proving we belong to Him)as we have the Son. Johm 15, Jesus tells his disciples "alreast clean" to REMAIN in Him. Salvation is by grace THROUGH FAITH, not through the seal. Your hope should be a present abiding hope in Jesus ,not in the seal He gave you. Remember we can grieve the Holy Spirit Jesus even said , He who sent me has not left me alone, BECAUSE i alwyss do what is pleasing to Him. Of we walk in darkness , we can have no fellowship with the Father who is light (1 John 1). No fellowship= no cleansing of sin. We need the blood to clenase us, future sins not pre fogorven in advance. WE NEED JESUS EVERY MOMEMT. APART FROM HIM WE HAVE NO LIFE. APART FROM HIM WE CAN DO NOTHING GOOD, CAN BEAR NO FRUIT. and we know thar the Kingdom is given to a people producing the fruits thereof. Please consider these things friend. Its all scripture . Not my way, not my words, though i agree with God His ways are perfect and just and full of grace and mercy and love. Must take ALL of what God says. This dkesnt mean we cannot have asssurance. Im not worried i wotn get i , because i have no plans or desire to turn from the truth. We dont need OSAS to have assursnce. osas can give false assursne. 1 Johm tells us whethwr or not we ARE born of God and if we have the Son. John 15 also is key to knowing what it means to abide in Jesus. We have accesss i to this grace BY FAITH. we start with Jesus , we must also end with Jesus. Whoevrr does not have the Son , does nkt have Life. Eternal life is in Him. We only have eternal life as we HAVE him. He is the way to the Father. If we are not following Him , we wont find our way there.
@@billerickson5604 you're doing everything they did in the documentary lol. 2 Peter literally tells you that it's talking about false prophets. Posting long paragraphs doesn't mean anything if they're all taken out of context. If you can make time, check out the full stream, because your arguments are most likely in there as well and since I already responded to those, I think it would be better than going back and forth in the comments
@@JeremiahPMensah I listemed to the whole thing, both your critique and the documentalry itself. I agree its talking about false teachers ,BUT its a formerly SAVED false teacher. I added the 👉👈 to help point this out in the scripture. One of those examples was they they were "bought". Paul also uses this exact language with the Corinthians. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV [19] Or do you not know that your body is a temple of👉 the Holy Spirit within you,👈 whom you have from God? You are not your own, [20] for 👉you were bought👈 with a price. So glorify God in your body. Maybe i went a bit long in my comment, but id like you to show how i took anything out of context because im very aware of it. Not just pulling one liners.
Brother you drove a cart and horse through their video ,well done. Very true that we attain nothing re our salvation only receive it, all we had to offer is our wretchedness ,blindness and the filthy rags of our own righteousness. Why would the Lord even save someone when he knows the future and would have foreseen their fall? These guys think Christ paid for the lunch and they pay the tip. Romans 11v4 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Be careful that you do not draw men after your own evil lusts. Peter and Jude describes your type and preaches that a special judgment is reserved for such. The Bible preaches security for believers so that they live godly with confidence in Christ during persecutions but presents a conditional final salvation if the believer perseveres or remains faithful. This doctrine you are teaching is unbiblical and will lead many to hell. Take your time and learn the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit because teachers will face stricter judgment. Grace to you and may God open our eyes to His truth
Psalms 121: 7-8 7The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul. 8The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
So much confusion... Hmmm ... I wonder where THAT stems from !!! Titus , Chapter 3 , verse 5 . You think and trust in whatever you like . I am trusting i Jesus Christ alone ( John Ch.6 verse 37 ) .
Grace and works are mutually exclusive (Romans 11:6), meaning it’s one OR the other, it CANNOT be both. God makes it clear many times that it’s “GRACE,” therefore it CANNOT be works. Very simple…
"Yeah you can lose your salvation, but I haven't". If you sound something like this then you're probably living a works-based salvation and that is not the gospel the disciples preach see what Paul says. 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 *By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.* 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
First I will ask what once saved always saved means? I think people have a different understanding of that statement. Because that statement can be interpreted differently and each example or scenario can be different. I will talking about someone who accepts Jesus then start involving himself in witch craft or leading people astray because of the love of this world or someone who once believed in Jesus then becomes a muslim because Christian has some many division or are we talking about someone who was on fire for jesus and just become a lukewarm and dwell in sin like drunkenness, fornication, or are we talking about man of God (pastor, bishop, etc) becomes false teachers and those people die without repentance. This is just me asking. Because that statement can be explained in different ways with different scenarios.
We're talking about anyone who has been born again. They cannot lose the seed of God in them regardless of what we think they're doing that is so bad. It's easy to point to the sins we classify as "big". But we don't think we've lost our salvation after we lied. Every sin is deserving of death whether you think it's big or not. If we could lose our salvation because of fornication, then we can lose our salvation because of gossip, envy, lies, lust, etc
The reason we can be forgiven if we sin , is because of the cross of Christ, but this happens ONLY as we "walk in the light". Future sins not forgiven in advance. If we walk in darkness, we have no cleansing of sin that we have. 1 John 1:5-7 ESV [5] This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. [6] If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. [7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. So what is" walking in the light"? Following Jesus. Believing Jesus is following Jesus. Believing Jesus is being his disciple. It is not just adhering to tenets of the faith( believing the right thing/mental assent withput application) Thats why Jesus said "why do you call me Lord Lord and not dp what i say?" We must ABIDE in Chrsit to remain in His love and to have the hope of eternal life. John 15
@@JeremiahPMensah i understand. Not trying to cause strife , just presenting a case WITH scripture. Not just trying to say your wrong. Just sharing what i believe to be true and offering a rebuttal. No offense if you want to delete my comments. Its your channel.
well... Jesus said He the alpha and omega right? His blood travels from past, present and future right? Jesus preached the gospel in the hells and they all raised with Him (book of ephesian and 1 peter chapter 1 I think) so... John 3:17 said He came to save people not to judge them. God desires all to be saved. For years and years God have not flooded the earth. David said God mercy is eternity! Isaiah said that the same promises God did in the noah days to never flood the earth He declaring another promise to never be angry or rebuke. So why do we put a BUT after John 3:16? Once saved always saved I think its true!
Lol I wouldn't say they're not saved. We're saved through faith, not through accurate doctrine. Someone can genuinely believe in Jesus but be misled about osas. In fact, most grace preachers start out as legalists, including myself lol
@JeremiahPMensah I disagree. I think the moment you receive Christ as Savior through faith, you inherit eternal life. You have repented of trusting in your self, your own works, and your own righteousness, and have submitted yourself unto the righteousness of Christ through faith in the gospel. What comes with salvation is assurance, and the sealing of the Spirit of God. (Eph. 1:13-14, Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:10-13) If you believe you can lose your salvation you are not trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, you are trusting in your self.
I don't agree. They are Christians that are baptised in the Holy Spirit, fill with the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues, live according to Christ but later in life, they go astray and they leave Christ. Once saved, always saved is a false doctrine. You need to finish the race like Jesus, Paul, John etc.. There are many cases that prove to us that the "once saved, always saved" is wrong.
You read the bible but you follow the teachers of calvanism and lose salvation just like the jews did. You all blind yourselfs with the gospel of Calvin
My brother in Christ Luke 13 is directed towards unbelievers, Jesus is urging them to turn to God before its too late by believing and repenting. No where does it say believers must rely on their work of repentance for salvation
We are save Forever by faith Alone in Crist Alone impossíble to lose salvation sealed and batized into the body of Crist in the moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the to forgive our sins past presente and future We are sinners under the Death penalty of sin..we are sinners..dead spirits..we don t deserve to breath..we must be perfect And we can t be perfect..and our sins must be paid with perfect blood Jesus paid All our debt in cross He died in our place Because as a sinners we must die ..bur jesus who is God in the flesh . Lived a sinless life and died in our place in the cross..the moment we believe iesus we are save Forever
You don't understand church history. The early church just after the apostles is not the same church after Constantine. Your view of penal substitution is the reason you do not understand why a person should ask for forgiveness. The view of penal substitution is a view that came later and became more prevalent during the reformation.
Church history is full of holes and contradictions this is why it's extremely important to actually read the Bible and not blindly follow whatever your pope or priest tells you to believe
Acts 13:38-39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Titus3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. Romans1:17 For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, Romans 4:6 And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him… Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. psalm103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities. psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. 2 corrin 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
@@Fuzzball777He is speaking facts, Man If I were you I would really try to seek Christ Jesus 4 yourself. I use to go to church say the sinner prayer thought I was saved still lived a life that was contrary to God when my time came, I seen death and God told me my time is up but out of his grace Im here Amen. And I'm happy I didn't die because I would've been gone forever no return. Now that's grace when you lived a life of sin and God go out his way to save you even though you don't deserve it that's a blessing. Cuz many died and could not return to tell truth 😢
You also don't' believe the record that God gave us about his Son? Do you believe in the Son of God and believe you have eternal life? Or do you not believe and not have eternal life? 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
It’s just so illogical to me for a person to think that they can “undo” or “walk away” from a SPIRITUAL BIRTH. Like really? 😆 But that’s just it. These dudes think salvation is a reformation of their old flesh. But it has nothing to do with their flesh birth. It is a spiritual birth that happens on the inside. It cannot be seen. God literally sees a believer as already seated in Heavenly places, so how can that be lost?
It is not illogical to walk away from a spiritual birth because salvation is a relationship, not a mechanical or deterministic instant process. Just as a person who is physically born can later reject their family, rebel, or even cut themselves off from their heritage, so too can someone who is spiritually reborn reject God through persistent unrepentance and unbelief. Free will remains intact even after spiritual rebirth, allowing a person to turn away from God if they choose. Being “born again” does not remove one’s ability to reject that new life, just as Adam and Eve, though created in perfect communion with God, had the free will to fall away. Second thing, we don’t believe that once you are saved, if you sin you lose your salvation. Sin can lead to loss of salvation only if you persist in it. In other words, the way in which we believe you can lose your salvation is only by unrepentance or unbelief but other sins can lead to this.
It is rather illogical to believe in OSAS because it posits eternal security and absolute assurance of salvation. You believe you cannot lose your salvation and you believe you can have absolute assurance that you are saved. This view contains a fundamental contradiction: it ties the validity of past salvation to future outcomes. OSAS proponents may argue that if someone “falls away” from the faith persists in unbelief until death, it proves they were “never truly saved” to begin with. If one’s salvation experience can be retroactively invalidated, then there is no way to have real assurance in the present, as it depends on a future that is uncertain. To make this clearer, consider someone who fully believes in their salvation under OSAS. They trust Christ, have faith, and are certain they are saved. Years later, they fall into unbelief. According to OSAS, this person was “never truly saved” in the first place. But if their salvation was invalid all along, what does that say about their earlier certainty? It means their assurance was never real, even though they genuinely believed it was. Now consider the present: how can any OSAS believer today know for sure that they are not in the same situation? If their faith could later be revealed as false, then their current assurance is no more reliable than that of the hypothetical person who fell away. This creates a system where assurance is not based on God’s promises but on the unknowable outcome of one’s future faithfulness. We believe we can lose our salvation through persistence in sin (unrepentance) or denouncing the faith (apostasy or unbelief) all of these if persisted in till death results in committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. We believe salvation is not just a one time act - its an ongoing relationship with God
@@lifes_a_gift Wow.. where to start… First of all, salvation is absolutely NOT an ongoing process or “relationship.” It is a singular event that occurs in a nanosecond of time. It is an instantaneous event. The scripture is clear on this. John 6:47, John 3:16, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, John 5:24 Secondly, “if” salvation was an ongoing process based upon your relationship with God, at what point would a person KNOW that they are eternally saved? Because the BIBLE is explicitly clear that a person can KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are saved…. 1 John 5:13 KJV These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. So the Bible tells us that we can KNOW for certain that we are saved, but you say on the contrary.. 🤔 yeah I think I’ll believe God’s Word over you. Thirdly, your story about a person walking away from their family is a logical fallacy. Regardless of whether a person disowns their family, that doesn’t negate their physical birth to that family. A son is still a son biologically, regardless of what he does or doesn’t do. It’s the exact same way in God’s family. Once you’re born into God’s family by trusting in Christ’s death and resurrection for your sins, you will ALWAYS be a child of God. It’s illogical to think that you can “unborn” yourself from a family.
@@gracealone89 The verses you quoted don't prove that salvation is a static event. John 6:47, John 3:16 and John 5:24 all say "whoever believes has eternal life" which we interpret as having eternal life being based on believing presently, not just one moment of faith. To claim that scripture is clear on this and then to presuppose your beliefs into the texts, is fallacious reasoning. Furthermore, the Greek term aionios (eternal) that is used in the Bible in the phrase eternal life, refers primarily to the quality of the life in Christ. If the main idea had been endlessness, the Greek term aidios would have been more appropriate. In addition to that, the text you quoted, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, specifically in 1 Corinthians 15:2 it reads "By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." You are saved if you hold firmly to the word. That seems to suggest that salvation is conditional on holding to he word. Secondly, the Bible never says that we can "eternally know we are saved" rather it says we can "know we are saved". We interpret this being able to know that we are saved in that moment of time, not that we can have absolute assurance of your future state of salvation, although we hope to be saved in the future. To presuppose your beliefs in the texts is again is fallacious reasoning. Thirdly, I will apologise for my analogy because I agree that it is a logically fallacy but for not the reason you pointed out. Rather it implies that we become ontological children of God (literal birth), rather than becoming children of God by adoption (As scripture explicitly states in Ephesians 1:5, Galatians 4:4-7, Romans 8:23, Romans 8:14-17). Being born again does not imply that we become sons of God ontologically but rather by adoption. So, the analogy should be modified by saying “born again” refers to being adopted into God’s family. So, my main point still stands. You can still walk out and disown your father’s fathership over you, which effectively destroys the relationship once had with your father. Lastly, you didn’t comment on my other comment explaining the illogical nature of affirming absolute assurance and eternal security. I want to see whether this doctrine is defendable so before trying to prove your doctrine from scripture, please try to answer my objections and prove your doctrine is logical in the first place because God is not the author of confusion.
@@lifes_a_gift I know God is not the author of confusion. The devil is confusing you. I can’t see past the enormous straw man you have created. The sheer amount of Eisegesis you have used to interpret those clear passages of scripture tells me I’m dealing with an inept fool.
We are not save by works Salvation is very very easy Just believe in Jesus Just believe in his sacrifícial death and resurrection.. finish work of redemption in the cross It s All about believing and trusting in his perfect blood shed on the cross to forgive our sins past presente and future impossíble to lose salvation If anyone think he can lose salvation He is rejecting the perfect sacrifice of Jesus..he is rejecting the perfect identity of Crist the last Adam Jesus is our death penalty substitute We are sinners under the Death penalty of sin Jesus is God our Great Creator he paid All our debt in cross
The "forgiveness" and salvation described in the Bible does not merely include removal of your guilt and a ticket into heaven through believing that Js is our savior. Sola Fide is only an abbreviation. A more complete Sola Fide is to believe you are supernaturally joined in the body of Js (with Js being your head), and your old carnal self is crucified in him and your completely new self is resurrected in him in Gd's image and you are born of Gd. If the scripture conveys that these things are necessary to believe in order to be saved then these things ARE repentance. Repentance from sin = being like Js. Js mind living through your mind = eternal life.
"...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" - Romans 10:9
@@JeremiahPMensah Gd didn't save our old self, he crucified and condemned him. Js crucifixion and resurrection is OUR crucifixion and resurrection. Only the resurrected new version is born of Gd. Believing in THAT more complete gospel is the equivalent of repentance from sin. Salvation = being like Js = repentance from sin.
@@CharlesLeroy-mp8lk Do you know how many times you sin in one day? THOUSANDS!! Now tell me....how can you repent of every single one of them? Repent means to change your mind and any time you've every read in the bible where Jesus or John the Baptist said, " Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" they were telling the people to change their minds from Unbelief to believing in God. That's it... God is a just, loving God but also a God with common sense. No where in the bible are you gonna find the words, "repent of your sins". It's heresy.... To "obey" God is to believe and have faith in Christ....that's it, the Greek word is Pisteuio and means to obey is to believe and have faith in Christ.
@@kathyhenderson8902 Amen! Repentance literally means to change one's mind and in the context of salvation it means to change your mind from unbelief to belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ! God repented several times in the Bible...does that mean that we serve a sinful God??? Heavens NO!!
Our works can never save us or keep us saved. Grace is the free gift given to us by believing in Jesus Christ, and it is not of works nor does it require works to keep or else it would no longer be grace. Galatians 3:10 "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.'"
There's no such thing as "Once saved, always saved". For you can loose you salvation if you continue on sinning even if Christ has died for you. Hebrews 10:26: "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" If the belief of "Once saved, always saved" is true after Jesus Christ has died for you, then this verses in Matthew 25:31-46 (Judgment day - where Jesus separates the goats from the sheeps) is no longer needed or applicable (implying that the Bible lied). Peace and Blessings!
You're doing the same thing these people did in the documentary. Taking verses out of context and creating strawman arguments. I covered Hebrews 10:26 in the full livestream because they brought it up too and completely butchered it. Jesus clearly separates the sheep from the goats. Who said the goats were saved and lost salvation?
@@JeremiahPMensahWhat do you think will happen to the goats? Do you think they will still have eternal life?... If they are bound for eternal punishment do you honestly think that they didn't lost their salvation? Paul said in "Romans 6:15": "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!" Even if, what the goats did were actually sins of omission but still, it is a sin according to the Bible thus, the reason for separating the goats from the sheep. Since the wages of sin is death therefore, they are still bound for eternal punishment as can be read from the last verse of Matthew 25:31-46. "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Peace and Blessings!
@@TheWitness-fx4xqyou are the goat cause you sin everyday and your telling us not to hypocrite. Your under law and cursed is anyone who continues in it and can’t uphold it hypocrite. James 2:10-11 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Galatians 3:10-13 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Romans 4:1-5 4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
@@Watery_G You accused me of committing sin everyday, and judge me that I belong to the goat group (as if you were Jesus Himself), you called me a hypocrite and you cursed then you are quoting Bible verse(s) --> Now, which of us is a Hypocrite that just committed a sin? Peace and Blessings!
@@TheWitness-fx4xq you cause you sin everyday like everyone in this world. Willfully sinning is still sin in God’s eyes so you trying to tell people to uphold the law and telling people it ain’t faith alone. Works are the law and your works won’t save you cause we all have broken Gods law and your saying that what God did on the cross wasn’t enough. Your preaching a false Gospel I’m not accusing you I’m telling you the truth that you are unsaved cause you trust your works instead of what Christ did and he said it was finished John 19:28-30. You will end up like the people in Matthew 7:21-23 You should read Matthew 23:1-13 it’s about people like you. Jesus taught faith alone you heathen now repent and believe on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And repent means a change of mind not turn from sins. Hypocrite! You will die in your sins if you don’t believe in ALONE on the one who forgives ALL SINS JESUS CHRIST! Acts 16:30-31 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. There 112 maybe even more on faith alone in the Bible and you can’t find the phrase repent of your sins in the Bible. Cause repent means change your mind. God repented in the Bible 38 times. God can’t sin so if you think repent means turn from your saying God sinned YAH REBUKE satan!
Once saved always saved is true and is in the bible it goes back to when Christ was crucified and rose on the third day, all those who believe are saved a one time salvation an eternal salvation that was achieved by the one time sacrifice of the lamb that God provided. Islam and Catholicism they believe in a deity plus works religion they have no assurance of eternal life, we do. Either you believe Jesus saved us or you don't but you can't have Jesus and the temple system God destroyed the temple and made a new covenant for a reason it was all accomplished in Christ. The Jesus + Gospel is a false gospel and no one is saved by it in fact they are still in bondage and it saddens me, just because we believe Christ has saved us to the uttermost doesn't mean we have a free ticket to sin, that doesn't even make sense, Apostle Paul addressed this many times in the new testament especially concerning the Corinthian church who didn't fully understand who they were in Christ, he would guide them by reminding them of who they were, that they were part of Christ's body, that they were filled with the spirit of God, that they were loved with an everlasting love and secure in Christ for all eternity. We believe that Christ has saved us a one time sacrifice for all, for all eternity, we are filled with the Holy Spirit of the living GOD, and from this love this acceptance this assurance we walk every day by the grace of God who teaches us who we are in Christ so we may be the hands and feet of Christ and a light in a dark lost and very lonely world to lead those who are lost and dying back home to God like a lighthouse on a hill. Jesus + might make people feel they are doing something and are owed something from God, GOD owes you nothing but he gave you everything he gave his only son for a sacrifice for your sin if you could have done it with your good deeds moral living etc there was no need for him to have given his son, he would have just kept the old system in place if that was the case but he didn't because it didn't work!! Every year we had to offer sacrifices for sin every year Christ was a one time sacrifice for all time, he rose on the third day he accomplished our salvation with immediate effect for all those who trust in him alone.
James 2:26 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 1:26 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 2 Peter 2:21-22 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Acts 13:38-39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Titus3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. Romans1:17 For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, Romans 4:6 And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him… Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. psalm103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities. psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. 2 corrin 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
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Thank you sir, l have been saved many years. If we could lose salvation FINISHED by the Lord Jesus Christ, then we are ALL lost forever. HE will never go to the cross again
Amen!
If you are saved by grace through faith with zero works and zero performance, then why would someone think that you can lose your salvation by poor performance? Your performance, behavior, or any other physical metrics had nothing to do with your salvation. Jesus Christ paid all of our sin debt. The spotlight and ALL glory go to Christ. False teachers decided to gather all together and make a heretical documentary about how a believer can lose their salvation based on the believer's actions. These false teachers are unbelievers because they do not believe in the record that God gave us about his Son. If you believe on the Son of God, you have eternal life that can't be lost! Nothing you can do can separate you from the love of God.
1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Amen ! "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work". Romans 11v4
I genuinely have a question though. I’m sorry I don’t know where it is but in the Bible does it say if you know the knowledge the truth of Gods word and chose to ignore or live the opposite will God deny you on judgement day? What does that mean. What scripture was that?
Paul's comparison with works and grace is directly connected to covenant relationship vs promise
In galatians, Paul is very specific in stating this.
Romans 11 comes right after Romans 9 and 10. Paul is talking about covenant relationship vs promise.
Works trusters be like wait a minute so your telling me I can have 700 wives/concubines I can run after other gods and I can build an alter to molek to SACRAFISE BABIES! at and still be saved? ...Free gracer : YUP! ask king solomon about it
Because Jesus himself says that if you disobey him you will perish
I had somebody tell me they were obedient to the commands of Jesus. The religious pride is thick when it comes to these legalists.
Yes you do he real he tell you to keep his commandments that’s true whoever told you that
There's about 1050 commands to obey (I didn't read all of them but I basically know what they are from reading the new testament) with two of them being give to those who ask of you and whoever takes your stuff don't ask for it back. We must obey all of the commands.
The Holy Spirit helps us be obedient to the commandments of Jesus. Why do you think God gives us His Spirit? Old Testament they didn’t have His Spirit only a select few. New Testament His Spirit is with those who believe to help them obey.
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But it’s the choice of the person to either walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit. No one walks in the Spirit perfectly. The Holy Spirit can convict you of something, but it’s up to you to obey or not, and disobedience results in chastisement.
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There are 613 Laws. Jesus fulfilled the Law on our behalf, because He was perfect and we can never be. Jesus said there are two commandments:
”And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.“ - 1 John 3:23 KJV
1. Believe in Christ (this is how we are saved)
2. Love one another (this can only be properly done once you are saved, thus it’s not a requirement)
Obeying the Law is not required to be saved. We are not even under the Law, we’re under Grace (Romans 6:14-23).
Brother, I am so glad you made this video, so many Christians get this wrong, the holy spirit is working through you. They undermine what our Savior did.
2 seconds into the video and ,, These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God. '' comes into mind and Luke 10:20.
Ikr! It's concerning how such verses are ignored and the others are twisted
**”Once saved, always saved” refuted**
CAN A CHRISTIAN FALL AWAY?
CHRISTIANS (those truly "saved to begin with") CAN:
1. Depart from the faith (1 Tim. 4:1)
2. Wander away from the faith (1 Tim. 6:10)
3. Swerve from the faith (1 Tim. 6:21)
4. Abandon our faith (1 Tim. 5:12)
5. Make shipwreck of our faith (1 Tim. 1:19)
6. Fall from grace (Gal. 5:4)
7. Desert him who called you and turn to a different gospel (Gal. 1:6)
8. Receive the grace of God in vain (2 Cor. 6:1)
9. Swerve from the truth, upsetting the faith of some (2 Tim. 2:18)
10. Drift away from the truth (Heb. 2:1)
11. Have an evil, unbelieving heart, leading us to fall away from the living God (Heb. 3:12)
12. Be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Heb. 3:12-14)
13. Fail to reach the promise of entering into His rest (Heb. 4:1)
14. Fall by disobedience to enter His rest (Heb. 4:11)
15. Fall away and impossible to restore unto repentance (Heb. 6:4-6)
16. Deliberately go on sinning and no longer have a sacrifice for sins (Heb. 10:26-27)
17. Shrink back (Heb. 10:38)
18. Fail to obtain the grace of God (Heb. 12:15)
19. Wander from the truth (James 5:19-20)
20. Forsake the right way (2 Peter 2:15)
21. Become entangled and overcome AFTER having escaped them (2 Peter 2:20-21)
22. Be carried away with the error of lawless people and lose our stability (2 peter 3:17)
23. Commit a sin leading to death (1 John 5:16)
24. Stop abiding in the teaching of Christ (2 John 1:9)
25. Be taken out of the book of life (Revelation 22:19)
26. Be not forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:14-15)
27. Be thrown in with the unbelievers (Luke 12:46)
28. Perform miracles and still be rejected by Jesus (Matthew 7:21-28)
29. Be condemned for not walking in the Spirit (Romans 8:1/8:13)
30. Be spewed out by Jesus for being lukewarm (Revelation 3:15-17)
So you ignore the other verses about losing salvation, correct?
You have to rightly divide the word of truth 🙂@@tyrellhawkins164
@@tyrellhawkins164 nope
Amen!!
So...Ive regretted watching the original documentary, because now Im getting notifications of shorts or reels defending their doctrine of devils, and probably also because I commented on that video refuting their stance.
If OSAS is not true then Jesus died in vain. Context, context, context!
It was pretty hard to sit through without getting angry. The abuse of context was unlike anything I've ever seen
@@JeremiahPMensah I know, crazy and when I watched the original, it made me sick. Stay strong brother, we're in a fight.
Thank you for standing for truth.
🙏🏾🙏🏾
They don’t believe they can lose their Salvation they only believe that others can lose theirs, don’t believe me? Just ask any of them if they ever lost their Salvation and hear their answer.
That's such a sad thought you think that
@@Fuzzball777 I think it’s sad that they think the way they do too.
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They’re very hypocritical (just like their Pharisee ancestors), and their excuse concerning themselves is laughingly convenient.
You cant lose your salvation if your up n Jesus Christ , but you can always walk away from him and live a life of sin not wanting to do anything with Jesus Christ. You remember even in the bible it said many will fall away and not want anything to do with faith anymore. Yes you can turn away from your faith. At the end it was faith that Got us saved and God's grace to save us.
@@k4CLive the fall away from “the” faith not from “Their” faith it’s always the noun and not the verb they fall away from the teaching not their belief I’ll explain my position soon also with the Greek language, busy now
How's about working out our salvation with fear and trembling, because Hebrews 10 says if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth no sacrifice for sins is left but only fearful expectation of judgment and raging fire that will consume the enemies of God, sin is lawlessness, in 1 John 3 says no one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God seed remains in him he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God, not to mention 2nd Peter warns of people that twist Paul's writings for lawlessness, if we're not saved by works, why would it say work out our salvation with fear and trembling,
A better way to understand this translation from the Hebrew language is in "awe and expectation."
Then read onto the next phrases and it explains how it is GOD.. GOD who works in you to will and act according to His good purpose.
You can expect these things because of the salvation you have and the work the Lord will do in you in receiving, living and RESTING in the truth of the Gospel. That you are redeemed, saved and alive in Christ!
Hebrews 10 is just saying that if we keep sinning (as we all do), then we should be looking for God’s judgment (or chastisement). And it is actually affirming that we can’t lose our salvation because it is saying that it is impossible for a believer to get saved, and then lose it, and then get it back, because Jesus would literally have to keep dying and paying for our sins over and over again to provide salvation for us. But we know that Jesus died ONCE FOR ALL for all time. He provided salvation once, and a person can only be saved once. Therefore we are eternally secure because we can only get saved one time because Jesus isn’t going to keep coming back and paying for sin every time we mess up.
Jesus is our eternal security & strong tower. He is the One who keeps us saved forever.
You can't lose salvation once you believe the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Once you are saved, sealed and sanctified, you will always be saved, sealed, and sanctified. Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. God will not change His mind once someone believes on Christ, it's set in stone. God will never leave us nor forsake us.
Amen!
Amen brother 🙏🏽
The majority of Christians don't believe in eternal security? How would he know that? Why this is even debated I do not know. Jesus is very clear in John 3 four times, John 6 twice, and John 10 twice. Eternal life is not probationary. Thank you for defending this precious gift.
The real issue thats probably leading to this argument is due to people likely using the gospel as a sin license. The bible does speak about not using the gospel as a means to sin in Titus 2:11-12, Romans 6, and even criticizes those who preaches a sin license gospel in Jude 1:4.
Yeah people believe Just Cuz Christ saved us we can still live a life any way and still go to heaven. & If you do sin repent quickly. Because sin leads to hell saved or not. So Osas is false doctrine. Yes we are saved and sealed but a believer can always walk away from the faith.
@@k4CLive well that’s the issue. There are and were people promoting the gospel as a means to sin. I personally believe OSAS is true and if someone walks away from the faith, they were never saved to begin with. Think about the seeds Jesus mentions in that one parable where one fell on good and bad ground. It’s the folks that’s seeing the gospel as hellfire insurance where their lives are marked by disobedience, no denying of self, and no fruit or any other evidence of the presence of God in them. They believed really in a sinners prayer or something like that.
@@k4CLiveSo you believe a believer can break the Holy Spirit’s seal or jump out of the Father’s hand? 😂 Yeah good luck with that 👍🏼.
@@gracealone89 read John 15. If osas was true that means I can live just like the world and if that's the case then what was the point of salvation and God's Law and why did Jesus Christ say don't quench the holy spirit
@@k4CLive That’s the whole point. A believer is FREED FROM THE LAW. We are no longer under the Law but under grace. And yes, a believer can live however they want to live and still go to heaven. Because salvation isn’t based upon how we live our lives. It’s based upon what Christ did for us on the cross. Make no mistake, we are exhorted to live our lives as Holy as possible, but even if we don’t, that doesn’t mean we lose our salvation. Please study out the word GRACE. Once you truly grasp what grace means it will blow your mind.
Thanks for reacting to this.❤
It’s funny because these works salvationists will tell you that “GOOD” works don’t save you, but you can lose it by doing “BAD” works 😂. Oh the irony and hypocrisy.
Romans 11 says, that if the saints that remained connected to the vine, because of having faith; don’t continue to believe, they will be cut off too. The fact that it’s even possible for them to be cut off, means that osas is false.
It's these calvanist that are twisting scripture so so clearly, there spiritual blindness is made manifest in there rejection of clearly scripture
They talked about that in the documentary and took it out of context too. I examined it in more detail during the live reaction. The point of that passage is that the Jews never believed by grace. They were cut off for their UNBELIEF (Romans 11:20). So the warning is for Gentiles to believe so that they are also not cut off. It's not a warning to someone who has already believed. Context matters, people!
Not a Calvinist, but I like how those who twist the scriptures accuse others of doing the same thing.
@@JeremiahPMensah It was definitely a warning to the those who stood by faith, not to boast against the natural branches, because the same thing could happen to them; if they should stop believing. Also, Paul made it clear, that it wasn’t even possible for them to be connected to the vine, unless they believed.
@@letgodbetrue8864 so it's about belief vs unbelief. Read in context my friend
Great stuff here brother !! Praise God he finished it all perfectly for us !
Does "fall away" mean people were saved but lost their salvation? That interpretation contradicts Ephesians 1:13-14. Does it refer to apostates who fully understood the way to salvation and rejected it, and now cannot be saved? That's an extreme view considering how many religious leaders rejected Jesus during His ministry but later joined the church (Acts 6:7).
I love the way this video and its commentary shows how to twist scriptures.
This comment section is a big W.
Osas is the gospel!
You did a good job exposing the contradictions, just make sure you so dont use God's name as a curse word ( around 16:00). God bless brother
Wasn't using it as a curse word. God bless you too
@@JeremiahPMensah I see but do you think that using God's name as a way to express surprise is taking His name in vain?
@@bryce8594 depends on the heart behind it
Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
What they are saying is that we can KNOW that we are saved RIGHT NOW, but we cannot know for sure that we will not turn away from the faith , fall away and thereby NOT BE SAVED in the future.
There is no guarnetee that once we believe , we will ALWAYS believe, hence thr many warnings and exhortations and encouragements in scripture to CONTINUE IN THE FAITH.
Correct, isn’t it a fair comparison to say I believe 2+2=4 then not believe it. Kinda difficult to get to that place. I’d say you never believed to begin with.
"The faith" refers to the tenets of the Christian faith, not the faith in your heart. You can say you no longer believe but guess what? You've already been born of an incorruptible seed. If you say you no longer believe your parents are your parents, does it change your DNA? You can fall away from the truth, the faith, the doctrines, but it doesn't mean you have lost your salvation. It means you need to return to the truth.
@@JeremiahPMensah if that ia true then salvatiin is not by faith but by the sealing. This means having the seal is more inportant than believeing in Jesus. Belief in Jesus is then only a temporary thing needed to get the seal, so the focus is on the seal , not faith in Jesus.
Multitudes of scriptures speak of the need to HAVE FAITH/HAVE JESUS. to have eternal life. The seal of the Spirit is the down payment , the mark that we belong to Him , so we can have the hope of the inheritance.
Cannot a Son still be caat into the lake of fire of He denies the Lord who bought Him, rebels agaiant Him, begins to beat corrupt,and mislead His brothers and sisters , and fellow servants? God is no respector of persons , what He says to one He says to all.
2 Peter 2:1-22 ESV
[1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even👉denying the Master 👉who bought them,👈 bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. [3] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. [4] 👉For if God did not spare angels when they sinned👈, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; [6] if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, 👉making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;👈[no partiality, even angels!!] [7] and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked [8] (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); [9] then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, [10] and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, [11] whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. [12] But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, [13] suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. [14] They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! [15]👉 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray👈. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, [16] but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. [17] These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. [18] For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. [19] They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. [20] For if, after they 👉have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,👈 they are👉 again👈 entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. [21] For it would have been better for them never to 👉have known the way of righteousness👈 than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. [22] What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog 👉returns👈[repents back to sin/rebellion] to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
1 John 5:11-12 ESV
[11] And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
The "seal " is not the testimony, the Son is. We onky have the Spirit pf Christ (proving we belong to Him)as we have the Son. Johm 15, Jesus tells his disciples "alreast clean" to REMAIN in Him. Salvation is by grace THROUGH FAITH, not through the seal. Your hope should be a present abiding hope in Jesus ,not in the seal He gave you.
Remember we can grieve the Holy Spirit
Jesus even said , He who sent me has not left me alone, BECAUSE i alwyss do what is pleasing to Him. Of we walk in darkness , we can have no fellowship with the Father who is light (1 John 1).
No fellowship= no cleansing of sin.
We need the blood to clenase us, future sins not pre fogorven in advance. WE NEED JESUS EVERY MOMEMT. APART FROM HIM WE HAVE NO LIFE. APART FROM HIM WE CAN DO NOTHING GOOD, CAN BEAR NO FRUIT. and we know thar the Kingdom is given to a people producing the fruits thereof.
Please consider these things friend. Its all scripture . Not my way, not my words, though i agree with God His ways are perfect and just and full of grace and mercy and love.
Must take ALL of what God says.
This dkesnt mean we cannot have asssurance. Im not worried i wotn get i , because i have no plans or desire to turn from the truth. We dont need OSAS to have assursnce. osas can give false assursne. 1 Johm tells us whethwr or not we ARE born of God and if we have the Son. John 15 also is key to knowing what it means to abide in Jesus.
We have accesss i to this grace BY FAITH. we start with Jesus , we must also end with Jesus.
Whoevrr does not have the Son , does nkt have Life. Eternal life is in Him. We only have eternal life as we HAVE him. He is the way to the Father. If we are not following Him , we wont find our way there.
@@billerickson5604 you're doing everything they did in the documentary lol. 2 Peter literally tells you that it's talking about false prophets. Posting long paragraphs doesn't mean anything if they're all taken out of context. If you can make time, check out the full stream, because your arguments are most likely in there as well and since I already responded to those, I think it would be better than going back and forth in the comments
@@JeremiahPMensah
I listemed to the whole thing, both your critique and the documentalry itself.
I agree its talking about false teachers ,BUT its a formerly SAVED false teacher. I added the 👉👈 to help point this out in the scripture.
One of those examples was they they were "bought".
Paul also uses this exact language with the Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ESV
[19] Or do you not know that your body is a temple of👉 the Holy Spirit within you,👈 whom you have from God? You are not your own, [20] for 👉you were bought👈 with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Maybe i went a bit long in my comment, but id like you to show how i took anything out of context because im very aware of it. Not just pulling one liners.
Man I truly love this video! Its so funny how they can say one thing then say another.
Brother you drove a cart and horse through their video ,well done. Very true that we attain nothing re our salvation only receive it, all we had to offer is our wretchedness ,blindness and the filthy rags of our own righteousness. Why would the Lord even save someone when he knows the future and would have foreseen their fall? These guys think Christ paid for the lunch and they pay the tip. Romans 11v4 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Be careful that you do not draw men after your own evil lusts. Peter and Jude describes your type and preaches that a special judgment is reserved for such. The Bible preaches security for believers so that they live godly with confidence in Christ during persecutions but presents a conditional final salvation if the believer perseveres or remains faithful. This doctrine you are teaching is unbiblical and will lead many to hell. Take your time and learn the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit because teachers will face stricter judgment. Grace to you and may God open our eyes to His truth
Psalms 121: 7-8
7The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
Holy Spirit doesn’t leave you just remember that. Ephesians 2:5 and Ephesians 1:13-14 also Romans 6:23
They speak out of both sides of their mouths. A five year old has more common sense than these guys. Great expose..
So much confusion... Hmmm ... I wonder where THAT stems from !!! Titus , Chapter 3 , verse 5 . You think and trust in whatever you like . I am trusting i Jesus Christ alone ( John Ch.6 verse 37 ) .
Grace and works are mutually exclusive (Romans 11:6), meaning it’s one OR the other, it CANNOT be both. God makes it clear many times that it’s “GRACE,” therefore it CANNOT be works. Very simple…
Indeed, very simple!
"Yeah you can lose your salvation, but I haven't". If you sound something like this then you're probably living a works-based salvation and that is not the gospel the disciples preach see what Paul says.
1 Corinthians 15:1-3 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 *By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.* 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
First I will ask what once saved always saved means? I think people have a different understanding of that statement. Because that statement can be interpreted differently and each example or scenario can be different. I will talking about someone who accepts Jesus then start involving himself in witch craft or leading people astray because of the love of this world or someone who once believed in Jesus then becomes a muslim because Christian has some many division or are we talking about someone who was on fire for jesus and just become a lukewarm and dwell in sin like drunkenness, fornication, or are we talking about man of God (pastor, bishop, etc) becomes false teachers and those people die without repentance. This is just me asking. Because that statement can be explained in different ways with different scenarios.
We're talking about anyone who has been born again. They cannot lose the seed of God in them regardless of what we think they're doing that is so bad. It's easy to point to the sins we classify as "big". But we don't think we've lost our salvation after we lied. Every sin is deserving of death whether you think it's big or not. If we could lose our salvation because of fornication, then we can lose our salvation because of gossip, envy, lies, lust, etc
The reason we can be forgiven if we sin , is because of the cross of Christ, but this happens ONLY as we "walk in the light". Future sins not forgiven in advance. If we walk in darkness, we have no cleansing of sin that we have.
1 John 1:5-7 ESV
[5] This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. [6] If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. [7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
So what is" walking in the light"?
Following Jesus. Believing Jesus is following Jesus. Believing Jesus is being his disciple.
It is not just adhering to tenets of the faith( believing the right thing/mental assent withput application)
Thats why Jesus said "why do you call me Lord Lord and not dp what i say?"
We must ABIDE in Chrsit to remain in His love and to have the hope of eternal life. John 15
So many things wrong with this but I'm not trying to argue with you in different threads fam
@@JeremiahPMensah i understand. Not trying to cause strife , just presenting a case WITH scripture. Not just trying to say your wrong. Just sharing what i believe to be true and offering a rebuttal.
No offense if you want to delete my comments. Its your channel.
@@billerickson5604 lol you're good.
well... Jesus said He the alpha and omega right? His blood travels from past, present and future right? Jesus preached the gospel in the hells and they all raised with Him (book of ephesian and 1 peter chapter 1 I think) so... John 3:17 said He came to save people not to judge them. God desires all to be saved. For years and years God have not flooded the earth. David said God mercy is eternity! Isaiah said that the same promises God did in the noah days to never flood the earth He declaring another promise to never be angry or rebuke. So why do we put a BUT after John 3:16? Once saved always saved I think its true!
W video brother!
Great stuff
If you don't believe in Once Saved Always Saved, you're not saved. Praise the Lord for the free gift of eternal life.
Stop following demon's
Lol I wouldn't say they're not saved. We're saved through faith, not through accurate doctrine. Someone can genuinely believe in Jesus but be misled about osas. In fact, most grace preachers start out as legalists, including myself lol
@JeremiahPMensah I disagree. I think the moment you receive Christ as Savior through faith, you inherit eternal life. You have repented of trusting in your self, your own works, and your own righteousness, and have submitted yourself unto the righteousness of Christ through faith in the gospel. What comes with salvation is assurance, and the sealing of the Spirit of God. (Eph. 1:13-14, Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:10-13)
If you believe you can lose your salvation you are not trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, you are trusting in your self.
@@Fuzzball777 silly comment.
I don't agree. They are Christians that are baptised in the Holy Spirit, fill with the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues, live according to Christ but later in life, they go astray and they leave Christ. Once saved, always saved is a false doctrine. You need to finish the race like Jesus, Paul, John etc.. There are many cases that prove to us that the "once saved, always saved" is wrong.
How can you lose a free gift how can you lose something you didn't earn
You read the bible but you follow the teachers of calvanism and lose salvation just like the jews did. You all blind yourselfs with the gospel of Calvin
The saving Grace is in Titus 211
Luke 13:3 No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
You must continually repent
My brother in Christ Luke 13 is directed towards unbelievers, Jesus is urging them to turn to God before its too late by believing and repenting. No where does it say believers must rely on their work of repentance for salvation
We are save Forever by faith Alone in Crist Alone impossíble to lose salvation sealed and batized into the body of Crist in the moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the to forgive our sins past presente and future
We are sinners under the Death penalty of sin..we are sinners..dead spirits..we don t deserve to breath..we must be perfect
And we can t be perfect..and our sins must be paid with perfect blood
Jesus paid All our debt in cross
He died in our place
Because as a sinners we must die ..bur jesus who is God in the flesh . Lived a sinless life and died in our place in the cross..the moment we believe iesus we are save Forever
You don't understand church history. The early church just after the apostles is not the same church after Constantine. Your view of penal substitution is the reason you do not understand why a person should ask for forgiveness.
The view of penal substitution is a view that came later and became more prevalent during the reformation.
Church history is full of holes and contradictions this is why it's extremely important to actually read the Bible and not blindly follow whatever your pope or priest tells you to believe
Acts 13:38-39
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6
And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
Romans 8:39
nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
psalm103:10
He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities.
psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
2 corrin 5:19
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
Soooooo many people gonna be screaming on judgement day its funny because the majorities think there the few that find the narrow way
You have a demon spirit
@@Fuzzball777He is speaking facts, Man If I were you I would really try to seek Christ Jesus 4 yourself. I use to go to church say the sinner prayer thought I was saved still lived a life that was contrary to God when my time came, I seen death and God told me my time is up but out of his grace Im here Amen. And I'm happy I didn't die because I would've been gone forever no return. Now that's grace when you lived a life of sin and God go out his way to save you even though you don't deserve it that's a blessing. Cuz many died and could not return to tell truth 😢
Let’s talk about once saved always saved one day, I believe it’s false
You also don't' believe the record that God gave us about his Son? Do you believe in the Son of God and believe you have eternal life? Or do you not believe and not have eternal life?
1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Who is the new covenant between ?
That's because it's from the cult if calvanism
Lol sure, why not? hmu on IG
@@JeremiahPMensah what’s the @ name
It’s just so illogical to me for a person to think that they can “undo” or “walk away” from a SPIRITUAL BIRTH. Like really? 😆
But that’s just it. These dudes think salvation is a reformation of their old flesh. But it has nothing to do with their flesh birth. It is a spiritual birth that happens on the inside. It cannot be seen. God literally sees a believer as already seated in Heavenly places, so how can that be lost?
It is not illogical to walk away from a spiritual birth because salvation is a relationship, not a mechanical or deterministic instant process. Just as a person who is physically born can later reject their family, rebel, or even cut themselves off from their heritage, so too can someone who is spiritually reborn reject God through persistent unrepentance and unbelief. Free will remains intact even after spiritual rebirth, allowing a person to turn away from God if they choose. Being “born again” does not remove one’s ability to reject that new life, just as Adam and Eve, though created in perfect communion with God, had the free will to fall away.
Second thing, we don’t believe that once you are saved, if you sin you lose your salvation. Sin can lead to loss of salvation only if you persist in it. In other words, the way in which we believe you can lose your salvation is only by unrepentance or unbelief but other sins can lead to this.
It is rather illogical to believe in OSAS because it posits eternal security and absolute assurance of salvation.
You believe you cannot lose your salvation and you believe you can have absolute assurance that you are saved.
This view contains a fundamental contradiction: it ties the validity of past salvation to future outcomes.
OSAS proponents may argue that if someone “falls away” from the faith persists in unbelief until death, it proves they were “never truly saved” to begin with. If one’s salvation experience can be retroactively invalidated, then there is no way to have real assurance in the present, as it depends on a future that is uncertain.
To make this clearer, consider someone who fully believes in their salvation under OSAS. They trust Christ, have faith, and are certain they are saved. Years later, they fall into unbelief. According to OSAS, this person was “never truly saved” in the first place. But if their salvation was invalid all along, what does that say about their earlier certainty? It means their assurance was never real, even though they genuinely believed it was.
Now consider the present: how can any OSAS believer today know for sure that they are not in the same situation? If their faith could later be revealed as false, then their current assurance is no more reliable than that of the hypothetical person who fell away. This creates a system where assurance is not based on God’s promises but on the unknowable outcome of one’s future faithfulness.
We believe we can lose our salvation through persistence in sin (unrepentance) or denouncing the faith (apostasy or unbelief) all of these if persisted in till death results in committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
We believe salvation is not just a one time act - its an ongoing relationship with God
@@lifes_a_gift Wow.. where to start…
First of all, salvation is absolutely NOT an ongoing process or “relationship.” It is a singular event that occurs in a nanosecond of time. It is an instantaneous event. The scripture is clear on this. John 6:47, John 3:16, 1 Cor. 15:1-4, John 5:24
Secondly, “if” salvation was an ongoing process based upon your relationship with God, at what point would a person KNOW that they are eternally saved? Because the BIBLE is explicitly clear that a person can KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are saved….
1 John 5:13 KJV
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
So the Bible tells us that we can KNOW for certain that we are saved, but you say on the contrary.. 🤔 yeah I think I’ll believe God’s Word over you.
Thirdly, your story about a person walking away from their family is a logical fallacy. Regardless of whether a person disowns their family, that doesn’t negate their physical birth to that family. A son is still a son biologically, regardless of what he does or doesn’t do. It’s the exact same way in God’s family. Once you’re born into God’s family by trusting in Christ’s death and resurrection for your sins, you will ALWAYS be a child of God. It’s illogical to think that you can “unborn” yourself from a family.
@@gracealone89 The verses you quoted don't prove that salvation is a static event. John 6:47, John 3:16 and John 5:24 all say "whoever believes has eternal life" which we interpret as having eternal life being based on believing presently, not just one moment of faith. To claim that scripture is clear on this and then to presuppose your beliefs into the texts, is fallacious reasoning.
Furthermore, the Greek term aionios (eternal) that is used in the Bible in the phrase eternal life, refers primarily to the quality of the life in Christ. If the main idea had been endlessness, the Greek term aidios would have been more appropriate.
In addition to that, the text you quoted, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, specifically in 1 Corinthians 15:2 it reads "By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain."
You are saved if you hold firmly to the word. That seems to suggest that salvation is conditional on holding to he word.
Secondly, the Bible never says that we can "eternally know we are saved" rather it says we can "know we are saved". We interpret this being able to know that we are saved in that moment of time, not that we can have absolute assurance of your future state of salvation, although we hope to be saved in the future. To presuppose your beliefs in the texts is again is fallacious reasoning.
Thirdly, I will apologise for my analogy because I agree that it is a logically fallacy but for not the reason you pointed out. Rather it implies that we become ontological children of God (literal birth), rather than becoming children of God by adoption (As scripture explicitly states in Ephesians 1:5, Galatians 4:4-7, Romans 8:23, Romans 8:14-17). Being born again does not imply that we become sons of God ontologically but rather by adoption. So, the analogy should be modified by saying “born again” refers to being adopted into God’s family. So, my main point still stands. You can still walk out and disown your father’s fathership over you, which effectively destroys the relationship once had with your father.
Lastly, you didn’t comment on my other comment explaining the illogical nature of affirming absolute assurance and eternal security. I want to see whether this doctrine is defendable so before trying to prove your doctrine from scripture, please try to answer my objections and prove your doctrine is logical in the first place because God is not the author of confusion.
@@lifes_a_gift I know God is not the author of confusion. The devil is confusing you. I can’t see past the enormous straw man you have created. The sheer amount of Eisegesis you have used to interpret those clear passages of scripture tells me I’m dealing with an inept fool.
We are not save by works
Salvation is very very easy
Just believe in Jesus
Just believe in his sacrifícial death and resurrection.. finish work of redemption in the cross
It s All about believing and trusting in his perfect blood shed on the cross to forgive our sins past presente and future impossíble to lose salvation
If anyone think he can lose salvation
He is rejecting the perfect sacrifice of Jesus..he is rejecting the perfect identity of Crist the last Adam
Jesus is our death penalty substitute
We are sinners under the Death penalty of sin
Jesus is God our Great Creator he paid All our debt in cross
We are waiting for everyone at your local Catholic Church
The "forgiveness" and salvation described in the Bible does not merely include removal of your guilt and a ticket into heaven through believing that Js is our savior. Sola Fide is only an abbreviation. A more complete Sola Fide is to believe you are supernaturally joined in the body of Js (with Js being your head), and your old carnal self is crucified in him and your completely new self is resurrected in him in Gd's image and you are born of Gd. If the scripture conveys that these things are necessary to believe in order to be saved then these things ARE repentance. Repentance from sin = being like Js. Js mind living through your mind = eternal life.
"...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" - Romans 10:9
@@JeremiahPMensah Gd didn't save our old self, he crucified and condemned him. Js crucifixion and resurrection is OUR crucifixion and resurrection. Only the resurrected new version is born of Gd. Believing in THAT more complete gospel is the equivalent of repentance from sin. Salvation = being like Js = repentance from sin.
@@CharlesLeroy-mp8lk Do you know how many times you sin in one day? THOUSANDS!!
Now tell me....how can you repent of every single one of them?
Repent means to change your mind and any time you've every read in the bible where Jesus or John the Baptist said, " Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" they were telling the people to change their minds from Unbelief to believing in God.
That's it...
God is a just, loving God but also a God with common sense.
No where in the bible are you gonna find the words, "repent of your sins".
It's heresy....
To "obey" God is to believe and have faith in Christ....that's it, the Greek word is Pisteuio and means to obey is to believe and have faith in Christ.
Uhhhh....yes Jesus was and is the ONLY sacrifice.
The bible says Jesus paid for ALL trespasses....ALL means ALL...Not just some, not just past sins.
@@kathyhenderson8902 Amen! Repentance literally means to change one's mind and in the context of salvation it means to change your mind from unbelief to belief in the finished work of Jesus Christ! God repented several times in the Bible...does that mean that we serve a sinful God??? Heavens NO!!
No you are saved by grace through the holy Spirit to live the life that God asked just like the Bible tells you how to live your life.
Our works can never save us or keep us saved. Grace is the free gift given to us by believing in Jesus Christ, and it is not of works nor does it require works to keep or else it would no longer be grace. Galatians 3:10 "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.'"
There's no such thing as "Once saved, always saved". For you can loose you salvation if you continue on sinning even if Christ has died for you.
Hebrews 10:26:
"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"
If the belief of "Once saved, always saved" is true after Jesus Christ has died for you, then this verses in Matthew 25:31-46 (Judgment day - where Jesus separates the goats from the sheeps) is no longer needed or applicable (implying that the Bible lied).
Peace and Blessings!
You're doing the same thing these people did in the documentary. Taking verses out of context and creating strawman arguments. I covered Hebrews 10:26 in the full livestream because they brought it up too and completely butchered it. Jesus clearly separates the sheep from the goats. Who said the goats were saved and lost salvation?
@@JeremiahPMensahWhat do you think will happen to the goats? Do you think they will still have eternal life?... If they are bound for eternal punishment do you honestly think that they didn't lost their salvation?
Paul said in "Romans 6:15":
"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!"
Even if, what the goats did were actually sins of omission but still, it is a sin according to the Bible thus, the reason for separating the goats from the sheep. Since the wages of sin is death therefore, they are still bound for eternal punishment as can be read from the last verse of Matthew 25:31-46.
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Peace and Blessings!
@@TheWitness-fx4xqyou are the goat cause you sin everyday and your telling us not to hypocrite. Your under law and cursed is anyone who continues in it and can’t uphold it hypocrite.
James 2:10-11 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Galatians 3:10-13 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Romans 4:1-5 4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
@@Watery_G You accused me of committing sin everyday, and judge me that I belong to the goat group (as if you were Jesus Himself), you called me a hypocrite and you cursed then you are quoting Bible verse(s) --> Now, which of us is a Hypocrite that just committed a sin?
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@@TheWitness-fx4xq you cause you sin everyday like everyone in this world. Willfully sinning is still sin in God’s eyes so you trying to tell people to uphold the law and telling people it ain’t faith alone. Works are the law and your works won’t save you cause we all have broken Gods law and your saying that what God did on the cross wasn’t enough. Your preaching a false Gospel I’m not accusing you I’m telling you the truth that you are unsaved cause you trust your works instead of what Christ did and he said it was finished John 19:28-30. You will end up like the people in Matthew 7:21-23
You should read Matthew 23:1-13 it’s about people like you. Jesus taught faith alone you heathen now repent and believe on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And repent means a change of mind not turn from sins. Hypocrite! You will die in your sins if you don’t believe in ALONE on the one who forgives ALL SINS JESUS CHRIST!
Acts 16:30-31 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
There 112 maybe even more on faith alone in the Bible and you can’t find the phrase repent of your sins in the Bible. Cause repent means change your mind. God repented in the Bible 38 times. God can’t sin so if you think repent means turn from your saying God sinned YAH REBUKE satan!
Once saved always saved is true and is in the bible it goes back to when Christ was crucified and rose on the third day, all those who believe are saved a one time salvation an eternal salvation that was achieved by the one time sacrifice of the lamb that God provided.
Islam and Catholicism they believe in a deity plus works religion they have no assurance of eternal life, we do.
Either you believe Jesus saved us or you don't but you can't have Jesus and the temple system God destroyed the temple and made a new covenant for a reason it was all accomplished in Christ.
The Jesus + Gospel is a false gospel and no one is saved by it in fact they are still in bondage and it saddens me, just because we believe Christ has saved us to the uttermost doesn't mean we have a free ticket to sin, that doesn't even make sense, Apostle Paul addressed this many times in the new testament especially concerning the Corinthian church who didn't fully understand who they were in Christ, he would guide them by reminding them of who they were, that they were part of Christ's body, that they were filled with the spirit of God, that they were loved with an everlasting love and secure in Christ for all eternity. We believe that Christ has saved us a one time sacrifice for all, for all eternity, we are filled with the Holy Spirit of the living GOD, and from this love this acceptance this assurance we walk every day by the grace of God who teaches us who we are in Christ so we may be the hands and feet of Christ and a light in a dark lost and very lonely world to lead those who are lost and dying back home to God like a lighthouse on a hill. Jesus + might make people feel they are doing something and are owed something from God, GOD owes you nothing but he gave you everything he gave his only son for a sacrifice for your sin if you could have done it with your good deeds moral living etc there was no need for him to have given his son, he would have just kept the old system in place if that was the case but he didn't because it didn't work!! Every year we had to offer sacrifices for sin every year Christ was a one time sacrifice for all time, he rose on the third day he accomplished our salvation with immediate effect for all those who trust in him alone.
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Lol I think you’re early
Yes, because the contradictions of those who boast in theology rather than the simplicy of Christ are speechless no doubt
I’m sure the passage also said you are “Sealed” with the Holy Spirit of Promise lol these men say “seal” as like an insignia or something 😂
I would have thought you would have known better.
The Bible is a Catholic book ❤️
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 1:26
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.
2 Peter 2:21-22
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Acts 13:38-39
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Titus3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
Romans1:17
For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 4:5
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6
And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him…
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
Romans 8:39
nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
psalm103:10
He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities.
psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
2 corrin 5:19
For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.