What are the OLDEST 9.8 COMICS? You Won't Believe!
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- For years I've asked the questions: "What are the earliest 9.8s?" "What is the earliest 9.8 for a Batman Comic?" "Superman?" "Wonder Woman?" "Thor?" "What's the Earliest 9.9 or 10 graded comic?"
Today I answer all of that and more. Join me for a special research project I've undergone compiling original data to present to you in a clean clear presentation. Enjoy!
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I can’t even imagine the research that went into this! Super cool!
I've stayed up til very late for the last couple weeks in order to compile all this haha
This is a great video dude. It’s unbelievable some of these books maintained a 9.8 grade.
Thank you my friend! Glad you checked it out, went ham for this onr
Fun and interesting, it must have been a blast to make this video! :) I did not even realize there was such a thing as a 10.0.
It's a true unicorn of a grade
Without doubt this has been my favorite MH video to date. The ample research, professional preparation and, as always, engaging presentation were all impeccable. A fascinating topic even to a CGI detractor like myself because it wasn’t as much about them and their service as it was about comics as important historical artifacts. The respect and reverence you showed to these rare gems is admirable and even though I know the effort to produce this entry was taxing, I hope you will revisit the subject every now and then. I love learning about the Golden and Silver ages and overall general history of the medium. I know there are plenty of YT videos on those subjects, but none with your levels of sincerity and commitment toward producing a comprehensive view in such an entertaining fashion.
This was an amazing video, thank you for taking the time to research this and share it with everyone. My mind is blown.
Very good and informative video. Love your channel!
Awesome video as always, unbelievable how many old 9.8 grade books there are out there. That 1800s book just blew my mind, amazing that something that old could hold up that well overall these years. Keep up the great work. 👍
Thank you sir! Thos video was a huge project for me and fun to make!
Great video. Thanks for doing all that research. Keep these videos coming!
Thanks, will do! More and more to come! I'm having a blast doing it
I’m impressed with that 19th Century 9.8. As you stated, we’ve got modern books that have all sorts of nicks from the printer, and yet this oldie exists!
Isn't that wild?
That was pretty awesome! Thanks for putting the time and effort needed to make this! 🤜🏾🤛🏻🙂
Thanks so much!
Liked. Subbed already. And commented hehe. Great production work bud. This will help educate people for decades
Very impressive research. Thanks for sharing.
Oh, I also subscribed. ;)
Well Done!! Very entertaining video.
Excellent work!
new to the channel... pretty good show. thanks mate!
Very interesting video, I didnt realise that some of these books existed. Thank you for all your hard work, well done.
I appreciate the kind words my friend! Glad I coukd share some comic history with ya
Very cool content, good stuff man
Appreciate it! thanks for stopping in my man!
This is a great video. Durham Whiffs...amazing!
Tobacco for kids!!! Lolol
Solid Info!! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice research and information. 👍👍
Many many thanks!!!
Great video man.
Thanks so much my dude!
Thanks for putting in the time to make this video.
MY fav video I've ever made acctually!
Great video, keep up the good-work. Would love to have some of these books in the pc lol.
Thanks VP! And hey if even one of these was in the PC I'm pretty sure I'd never leave the house 🤣
This video is amazing. New subscriber coming at ya! Strong start with that 1878 blew my mind 👀
Welcome aboard! Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm glad this video is being appreciated, new video dropping today!
Excellent vid! Love this subject. My oldest 9.8 is from '73. Clearly I have nothing to brag about. ☮️
A 1973 9.8 is amazing!!! I am always impressed by 9.8s prior to 2010. I'm even more impressed by 9.8s from the 90s and the 2000s. Im even more impressed with 1987-1990 9.8s, and I consider 1976-1986 to very difficult to obtain. Anything lower that? Essentially impossible because up to 1975 they used pulp in paper! So that 1973 comic is amazing! What comic is it?
This was a great video. I'm just imagining the story of each of these mega old comic books, how on earth they were preserved so we'll.
Thank you sir! A lot of time went into this so I appreciate that!
Great upload. Imagine have those books in your collection
I'd have to hire a bodyguard! Lolol
Very interesting stuff.
Thank you.
You got it my friend!
So cool!
I knew there had to be a bunch of Hulk 181’s but I didn’t know there were THAT many. Dude I tip my hat to you for this incredible, informative video, well done my man! Also...I am so over this snow ugh
Hahaha and I know you're getting the same snow as me. I haven't had to shovel so much in years... I GOTTA GET TO THE COMIC SHOPS!
I hear ya!!
Incredible!
Marvel Spotlight 5 in CGC 9.8 now $250,000.
Craziness
Great video
Somehow I don't think I have a single 9.8 in my entire collection, even stuff I bought yesterday
One 9.9 which was overlooked on this video is a copy of a silver age X-Men #41 with double covers.
Wonder how I missed that - that's a beautiful book
Hi ...I been watching your videos (nice content by the way...) and I've noticed you collect a lot of 9.8 on ur comic books (hence the name "mint hunter") but my question to you is...which would you consider ur favorite comic, will that be according to grade,first appearance,illustrator or you just simply love the cover...And which comic is that ? ...Thanks and more power to ur channel 👍
My favorite comic is probably not what you'd think! I love submitting underated books from my childhood so major keys, while cool, aren't as exciting to me as let's say Batman contagion part 1 (of which I hold the only 9.8 of)
Great! That must have taken forever to compile.
I did wonder, since you focused on cgc, what was the first book they graded at a 9.8? Which title and issue number.
And, how long was is once they started grading that they actually graded a book at a 9.8?
There you go, next project; get to work.
=)
Oh boy I'd better start digging! Hahaha, for some reason a part of me wants to say the first 9.8 was Venom Lethal protector 1, not sure where I heard that though
great video you don't see those books every day 5 stars keep these vids coming
Thanks, will do!
WOW... JUST WOW.
I know right?!?
The Allentown copy of Captain America Comics #1 is ALSO a 9.8. Odd the census shows only 1 copy right now. The SF Copy in your video WAS a cgc 9.4, upgraded to 9.8!
Your eyes do not deceive you! I actually couldn't find a picture of the Allentown 9.8 copy so I had to photoshop a 9.8 onto this copy of the SF 9.4! so there still is only one 9.8 of this in existence. Why people aren't photographing and spreading photos of the highest grade books ever? I'll never know. Thanks for tuning in!
A great job for sure on this video,just to own a raw copy of some of these books would be amazing.
I was laughing when making this video because I'd be happy with coverless burnt versions of all of these lol
Love all those 9.8 mags!
Oh indeed!
Amazing.
Thanks Mike!
The paper used in the late 1800's publications had a higher rag content and they aged fairly well. Once the publishers went to a lesser pulp paper, the high acidity of the paper didn't age well. A typical pulp of the day had cheaper high bulk pulp paper, and the comic publishers had to use a higher grade paper so it would accept the ink. The high bulk paper in the pulps couldn't reproduce half-tones so they resorted to line drawings for illustrations.
The ALL-AMERICAN COMICS #24 is proof positive that grading services can be greatly flawed. I can't believe a book with a rusty staple, edge toning, some edge image chipping and some minor spine tics could get a 9.8!?!?! Hopefully the owner of this book won't send it back for a re-grading. I've had tons of bronze and silver age books with much less visible damage grade at 8.0 to 9.0.
Thanks for sharing John! And don't forget 2 or 3 of the 9.8 slabs in this video, there's no pictures of so I had to find high quality imaging of the next lower grades. So some of those look lower and I took the 9.8 label at the top
There must be some considerations for those golden age 9.8,s not sure how anything with writing on the cover (not an autograph) could get that grade. However still cool to see such perfection at that age.
It's because its a sign of a pedigree! also keep in mind for some of these that I wasn't able to find pictures of the 9.8s - I had to find the picture of the next lowest grade and show the picture of that instead. that happened on like 5 or 6 of these
That venom book would definitely go for 20k these days. Great work on this one my dude
Seriously. What do you think it would go for? Venom hype is so high right now
@@MintHunterComics re watched this video and thinking about it I bed the venom 10.0 black cover would go for like 25k ish. Especially after the movie drops
Yeah, that CA 1 is awesome, grade is high, corners are blunted in the image, should be a 9.4 based on image, still nice!
I have two 9.9 and one 10.0! All Frank Milker Batman’s.
Are golden age graded differently? That Captain marvel comic had a big mark in the yellow part. I know dates on the cover dont count against but that was a big mark.
Good eye Magnumrex! That's one of the ones that wasn't pictured so I put a 9.8 label over the next lowest grade which was I believe a 7.0. Why people with the most rare 9.8s ever wouldn't supply a picture of their slab? I'll never know. Out of the 30 comics in this list I had to plop a "9.8" logo on about 4 or 5 (I know I had to do it for the first Solomon Grundy and I believe for ASM #1) over the next lowest grade as there are no pictures of the existing whale of a slab books. Thank you my friend!
I own the 10.0 Thor #156. Let me know where to send a pic of it too.
Great video l do not have any in mint condition but l like them anyway
They're hard to obtain for sure!
Man, they really grade those older books on a curve!
Well remember like 5 or 6 of these I had to edit a "9.8" logo on to it since there are no pictures, I know I had to do it for the first green lantern 9.8, so if they don't look like a pure 9.8, that's because I edited the 9.8 logo onto a few if the pictures weren't available!
@@MintHunterComics Right, but I was looking at the top corners of the Detective Comics 91 at 6:57. Or the Crackajacks that all have writing on the cover. Coin grading works on a curve too though. If it's really really old and rare, they give it a little boost
@@radratcomics Those ones are legit too! so CGC doesn't dock points for writing if it's part of a pedigree or historical significance. If it was a kids writing it actually docks it a hole 2 points I believe. I have a pedigree grade 8.0 of a very old comic and it's an extremely sharp 8.0. if it was not a confirmed pedigree writing it
would be a 6.0 or worse
@@MintHunterComics Interesting! I didn't know that
I know who owns the Thor 156 10.0 and have seen a photo of it. It’s the true personification of perfection 👌.
Oh man! (Wish I could have used the photo for the vid) that's so cool! Please tell that individual to never ever ever sell it. That's the coolest piece of history ever!
@@MintHunterComics Yeah he owns a comic book store in Ohio. I believe he’s gotten some offers, but likely won’t sell anytime soon lol. I actually own a pretty early 9.8 in a golden age comic book series that has very few. Very cool video though by the way 👍. Getting a 9.8 on gold and silver is extremely tough!
@@MintHunterComics it will be in the June 17 Heritage Auction. Im cashing in on this market!!! LOL
@@youngstowncomiccon5677 I can't WAIT to see that! It'll be truly historical
Just under a million you say
*smashes my piggy bank*
I hope I have enough quarters
How are they 9.8 when they have writing on the cover? And some of them I can Cleary see defaults? I love the video and it’s very interesting but some didn’t look like 9.8
Imagine finding one of these at a garage sale!
How can the Star Ranger book be 9.8 when it has writing on the cover in the top left corner? 4:17
I bought a Captain America #100 in 1999, part of the Pacific coast collection, for 200 bucks, it was like new. In 2000 I submitted it to CGC came back 9.8. Sold on Ebay for $2,495. Nice profit. But 20 years later...gotta be at least 10 grand.
Oh MAN! some of these high grade books really are worth sitting on - every book seems to just get hotter and hotter!
The Pac coast actually might hit close to the $10k as there'd be a premium for that pedigree. A regular 9.8 probably would not (though who knows in this market) as it's a relatively easy book to find in 9.8. The Pac Coasts are amazing.
This is video was made before the promise collection, I wonder if that changed anything
When you say "first" do you actually mean the "oldest"? I'm assuming that something like the Crackajack 1 wasn't one of the first things ever submitted to CGC (i.e. submitted when they first opened up shop), but is one of the oldest.
Sorry for the silly clarification on my part, but just wanted to check. I suffer from "oldtimers" so you'll have to forgive me 😉
Hi Shawn! So by that I mean the oldest and first 9.8 to appear of the census. So Batmans first appearance was in Detective Comics #27 but his earliest and first recorded 9.8 wasn't until Detective Comics #91! Crazy to see a 1944 book get a 9.8
Wow
The supposed 9.8 Detective comics 91 has a chip on the top right corner 6:58
Thank u for the research do u have any 10sor 9.9s ?
I had ONE 9.9 and as you can imagine it sold immediately. It was a square bound Detective Comics #1027 Anniversary comic from last year
@@MintHunterComics wow
@@MintHunterComics How do you even get a 9.9? I've had comics with no flaws come back with a 9.8 grade
I personally buy books from the early 2000s at my local store . I just hold on to it and monitor and price increases
Not a bad idea!
Man, I’m jelly of your Vengeance of Bane #1 9.8
😎😎😎
Still can't believe that book is under $500
@@MintHunterComics I bought a 9.6 last week. Much much cheaper.
How was that Detective Comics #91 a 9.8? The wear on the corners alone looks like it would drop to a 9.6 at best.
So no mention of Police Comics #13?
I took a look - I would have included it but I just had even earlier 9.8 examples so I chose to portray them. That's a super clean book!
7:03 How can that get a 9.8? The condition is not very good?
Presumably Golden age comics are graded more fairly than modern comics?
How are some of those older books getting 9.8s with writing on the cover? I thought that deducted heavily for that?
So that writing is what's called part of a "pedigree" if the writing can be traced to a notable comic shop of something of historical value it not only doesn't get docked for points but it actually can give it a rare "Pedigree" grade and. label. Now 99 times out of 100 writing on comics is from kids at the time. CGC docks HEAVILY for this type of writing
@@MintHunterComics This isn't entirely actually accurate. Writing may be forgiven and it has nothing to do with whether it was a pedigree or not. it's also not correct that 99 times out of 100 it's kids writing on comics. Most of the numbers in grease pencil or pencil/ink (you see on GA or SA books) are related to arrival dates and it was a very common practice at the time. There are pedigrees which show some of those marks as well as pedigrees that have store stamps etc. Pedigrees may be more noteworthy for having certain marks, but you can get a 9.8 with a date stamp, grease pencil etc and it does not have to be a pedigree. One of the most famous pedigrees -- the Winnipeg collection, has the owners name scrawled out in pen on the cover on many of the books. I wouldn't say every pen or pencil mark carries a heavy deduction either, that's misleading. There may be some deduction depending on the size, scope, placement and nature of the mark. The place where the comic book was bought isn't the determining factor on the pedigree, only was it 'original owner' in terms of the collection. Meaning the owner bought them as they came out and stored them himself (one owner) but the owner could have gone to multiple newsstands (often they didn't, but some times that happened or no one knows). There are also other determining factors for a pedigree evaluation, which someone like West Stephan (who commented here) who was one of the earliest CGC graders and currently a grader at CBCS and one of the most well known collectors of pedigrees, comics and art out there can shed true light on the pedigree determination process.
I held that same Captain America #1 30 years ago. My friend was the middle man (for a very well known, now deceased dealer) in the sale of it to someone I also knew. An electrician who paid it off in installments. The price was $5000. There was some shady business with the book after all was said and done by the buyer. Insurance fraud type shady. The middle man handled the book too roughly and I saw the damage his thumb did to the book. To get a 9.8 it had to have been pressed. Lost a lot of respect for the middle man. Too arrogant with another man’s book.
Wow - that's amazing chim247! interesting to hear the background of that.... the powers of pressing are amazing
Is it me or did that All-American 24 9.8 look like a 6.5-7 at best? Looked like a bad staple, cover writing, spine roll, multiple dents and a very rough top edge. CGC has always given a lot of leeway to older books but that one looked like a really prime example of that.
7:39 I don't understand how this works. This book clearly has writing on it and white marks all over the top of the cover. How can it be 9.8? Someone please educate me!
What are your oldest 9.8 comics?
1970
go collect has that phantom in a 9.8 valued at $525. I'll take 10.
I am more of a 8.5 kind if guy. Do it really care about the number of grade. Just want my favourite comics slabbed.
Time travellers stuff
Hahaha it makes you wonder
Where would I find the majority of the comics you have for sale on ?
It's very cool to see such older books being preserved but I'm calling BS on those 9.8s which leads to that CGC/auction house speculation... I'm seeing 7.5 to 9.0 conditions here based on my own CGC slabs of silver/bronze age books.
Don't forget I put a couple disclaimers that not all of those slabs were pictured so I ahd to find lower grade high quality pictures and superimpose the 9.8 label on em. I think 4 or 5 of these sadly didn't have the real picture so I had to do that for em
Yeah thanks for that reminder, and of course, love your vids man
/no way in heck is that Crackerjack Funnies #1 a 9.8 - it has a number 6 in what looks to be permanent marker and something in black pen ink just above that, they gave it that 9.8 based upon the 'pedigree' but without it it'd be at most a 9.4
That's part of the pedigree grading! If it's traced to the pedigree cgc won't knock for it!
@@MintHunterComics I was wondering about that.
Nice video. But you're right, I DON'T believe in those 9.8.'s. Not criticizing you. I'm criticizing CGC. The thing is, yes, finding Golden Age books in ANY decent condition is awesome. Which is why before the rise of CGC, condition was a lot more forgivable with Golden and Silver Age books. The thing that is annoying with CGG and these Golden Age books is: I know that back in the day, they graded a little more liberally on old books. But now, they're hardcore. So, would any of those books get the 9.8 if they were graded now? I doubt it. I know I wouldn't grade most of those books at that level. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have them. But, still, by the grading rules, a lot of them have some rough edges. Color rubs, rusty staples....I'm not counting the date stamps. I know those get overlooked because they were very common.
To make it simple, while finding ANY Golden Age book that isn't beat to hell, outside of a company copy, is rare and impressive. But considering the paper these were made out of....I have to question what CGC is calling 9.8. Reeks of collusion...
I'm sure half of those 9.8s would be 9.2 - 9.4 now lol
Is it just me or were there very obvious tick marks on the top edge of that All American Comics 24 (Green Lantern)???
Good eye Travis! That's one of the ones that wasn't pictured so I put a 9.8 label over the next lowest grade which was I believe a 7.0. Why people with the most rare 9.8s ever wouldn't supply a picture of their slab? I'll never know. Out of the 30 comics in this list I had to plop a "9.8" logo on about 4 or 5 (I know I had to do it for the first Solomon Grundy and I believe for ASM #1) over the next lowest grade as there are no pictures of the existing whale of a slab books. Thanks for your support!
@@MintHunterComics WHEW! I did not realize you had done that to any other issues apart from Amazing Fantasy 15, Im glad you cleared that up as I was losing faith in the CGC!
Hahahahaha well I will say they've actually done that to me before. I've had 9.8 worthy books get 8.5s, and I've also had one 8.0 worthy book get the full 9.8! It REALLY depends on the grader haha
@@MintHunterComics Same here, I hate that I have to pay for the Graders notes as well. I have busted them out and resubmitted them and received higher grades.
@@travisjones5191 Yeah right? How does that make any sense?
all above my pay grade
Why do the pedigrees have writing on the cover?
Pedigrees have certain notations and sometimes stamps from major collections or shops that are considered part of history. If it's not an approved pedigree it can knock the book down a full 2 or 3 points!
@@MintHunterComics I'm beginning to understand why markings are sometimes acceptable. Thanks!
Solomon Grundy was never a Batman villain.
Might want to look that up my friend! He may have not been intended when he was first introduced but he is absolutely a batman villain appearing in comics, batman video games, even cartoons up against Batman
Mad #1 came out in 1952, and there is a single 9.9 on the census.
Correct! I made sure to mention in my 9.9 segment that the first comic to get this grade was in 1940
I'm a friend of the guy who has the 10.0 Thor, if he still has it, and I'll send him a message with this link.
He still has it! ;)
I love watching your videos but unfortunately I am not a lip reader? I don't know why but I can hear most other videos I watch about comics OK. Yours, on the other hand, I can barely hear a word your saying ? Sounds like your far away from your microphone? I may have to unsubscribe? I can't hear you!
This was pre microphone haha, I only just started the yoitube channel not even a full year ago so I've had to learn EVERYTHING from scratch. I barely knew how to work a calculator much less mics but im micd up now
Fuk I gotta stay away from these videos. Make me really want to buy stuff on ebay for collecting
Damn, I'm SO behind... Great vid, bro! Quality info!
Thanks Face, btw the youtube logo looks really good!