'Meritocracy' becomes a 'dirty word' as Junior Doctors 'flabbergasted' by new allocation system
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Former Hospital Trust Chairman, Roy Lilley, explains the new Junior Doctor allocation system causing 'widespread uncertainty.'
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DEI strikes again. At this rate, Baby Doctors will never grow up.
Ahhh, so it's more wokeness and DEI
You can deny reality, but you can't deny the consequences of reality
Diversity instead of health
Once they get onto the ethnic minorities thing, be very wary of being treated by a doctor from an ethnic minority. You don't know whether they are just in the job because they are part of a quota. It's similar to the DEI in the Secret Service in the USA
Also they have an underlying silent hatred of white patients.. you are not going to be a priority or given good care.
Lol every doctor I've seen in the last 40 years has been Indian.
Let's get real, the quality of medical care in the UK at the moment is poor
One GP and two hospital doctors failed to diagnose kidney stones
Wow, this is starting to make the advent of AI doctors a good thing.
*“From Merit allocation to Random Allocation”*
No it’s not *“Random Allocation”* it’s *“Diverse Equity and Inlcusivity Allocation”*
So yet again, a system that has always worked has now been changed to help ethnic minorities. As for the doctors who want to work near their loved ones (does that mean immediate family like wife and kids or aunts and uncles etc?), surely they knew that having to work anywhere in the country was part of the role they would have as a doctor?
Thank god I never went to uni. What a complete waste of money.
Pre-1986 University was actually a merit based and challenging pursuit. Why can I say exactly "1986"?. I was an undergraduate in Geology, my year was 95% male 5% female as it was for decades before. Understandably so, considering it was a profession that often required constant travel and living in miserable conditions and was more suited to men of certain mentality. However, the year after me was a class that was majority women. I knew that this made no sense and that most of these women would never become geologists. The rest is history as the quality and the culture of University warped into what we have today.
@@reekinronald6776 thanks for your response. Sounds like chalk and cheese ‘86 v ‘16 for example. Like anything linked to globalisation, it always has a failure point.
Highest achievers will go abroad... !!!
This has been going on since the 80s. Many doctors in Canada where transplated British doctors and many Canadian educated doctors fled to the US. It shows a problem of socialized medicine that people don't consider. The tax payers greatly subsidize medical school, but then that investment escapes to more lucrative capitalistic systems. It's why socialism ALWAYS is connected to tyranny, because financially, the government would need to put restrictions of doctors movements to actually recoup the investment. You can't be free in a socialist system for the need to get the governments investment back.
Uk is not united anymorw
Troll along.
@@El.Cid17 Oh the irony
...just facts! Look around you without those woke-tinted specs
@@ph8077 Do grow up this troll has been spilling the exact same comment for YEARS . HE'S A SUPER TROLL.
This is what happens when you give everyone a trophy
So basically,
Now, poor preforming students, students that show little to no dedication to education, as such having lower grades could now be picked over the better skilled, better qualified hard working students
Talk about removing any reason to try hard.
Are they black enough though?
We do not need the very best, we need everyone very good .
DEI has nothing to do with levelling the playing field, it is about levelling down to the lowest common denominator.... this will lead to more strain on the NHS and probably more compensation claims....... Old Labour may have created the NHS, but current Labour wants it privatised by the back door, take a close look at Blairs PFI contracts.... Currently costing the NHS around 30 billion, before they even treat a patient....
👏👏👏👏 truth at last.
Next we’ll see them given exam passes based on ‘deserved to pass’ rather than actual pass.
Life is not perfect and humans are not the robots lefties assume they are. failing to reward people for all their hard work and commitment is hurtful and unkind. The most efficient allocation of resources is merit based. This is what happens in nature and it works.
'Meritocracy' being negated in the medical field just makes the whole pandemic fiasco even creepier.
All NHS Hospital Nursing staff need the ABILITY to read & Understand NOTES in English especially those of Spinally injured patients: Our 🏴Education system needs UPDATING…. 💬Had a minuscule of common sense been used, my paralysed husband could have still been alive⚰️ I know his notes were NOT READ, therefore, his NEEDS were completely IGNORED❗️
Nothing says work hard like rolling dice and lowering test requirements.
I wonder what will happen to medical outcomes 🤔
how about a surgeon lottery system every time someone who works in government needs an operation.
Jonior doctor's are apprentice doctors, they have to learn the ropes, of basic medicine before specializing...
Absolutely spot on.I was an apprentice engineer and earned a fifth of the amount of a time served engineer.Its how you learn the job and in effect you are paying for your training.You reap the rewards in time.I too worked in the public sector as a qualified engineer and was expected to work anywhere within the uk.However most engineers worked locally and were never actually sent elsewhere but you became a flexible asset.I can’t believe these junior doctors are moaning about their salaries which are far higher than what most working people can dream of.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please Google what 'junior doctor' means before speaking
@@trevormannsfield maybe they need to update the misleading title then!!
@@SuperBluesrocker they already have. Specifically because dishonest news outlets like gbnews keep using the term 'junior' in a shallow attempt to demean them.
@@SuperBluesrocker They already did.
We need people with an actual spine, who also take pride in their work, the best workers should receive the best pay, regardless of how much bitching there is from those at bottom of the test score. Want more money, work harder. Simple.
Even though it sadly doesn’t work like that, it damn well should. The more qualifications you have, the better the salary. And even better if you have experience.
What difference does it make. Still can't get appointment or treated well.
This is labour for you
The Tories weren’t much better unfortunately.
Nothing to do with labour was reported before the election.
The decision to do this was made months ago under the last government. My students (I’m a consutlant) first made me aware of it last year.
@@tozmom615 labour just speeding it up.Britain is on a course for destruction fast
Things get more idiotic every day.
The system promotes by dei, but another side effect is those that CAN do well won't even try, why should they, if all they get is nothing?!? ❤
I wouldn't want someone with that attitude working on me anyway.
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The irony of people who are news presenters pontificating on highly qualified doctors. 😂
When people realise theyre actually working for a cathedral.
Cathedral?
Thanks, it’s been confirmed by the NHS, you should avoid doctors from ethnic backgrounds and poor backgrounds, they are not as good.
Sounds more like the system wasn't well communicated to the Jr Doctors in the first place. The number isn't a rank, it is an ID number.
Doesn't DEI simply mean that minorities are less than?
They are
Of course it's a dirty word in this entitled illusionary society because you have ot actually earn something unlike DEI which means "Didn't, Earn, It".
You just couldn't make this shit up
Bet you it is not really random... How stressful is it, for all, not knowing where you are going? "INCLUSIVENESS!!! - we're all screwed... Gee whiz - people who work hard and expect some sort of reward e.g., preferred placings - and slackers taking pot luck... tough luck for the slackers... Here in Australia we are desperate for more doctors and WILL PAY 30,000 pounds plus free accommodation to relocate!... (This 6 month certification of good standing means NOTHING bc the process itself can take more than 6 months!)
As if the brightest went to the NHS anyway.
It is the only place in the UK to get the experience needed, the private sector doesn’t offer this, as the patients are vetted before they walk through the door.
@@AJ-hi9fdyour missing the point
This is a joke right
Didn’t think the NHS could get much worse, but seems I was wrong. Probably get the lousy ones in Wales again.
So, the best Doctors with the highest grades could end up in the worst hospitals. What chance will they have of bettering themselves further, as they would have at a University Hospital. This makes no sence at all, and is sure to make them want to leave this country as soon as they can.
Straight from University to Australia. How not to boost the numbers!
Ah the death of meritocracy, the answer to the question what happens when you listen to racists.
When i started my apprenticeship I was on £80 a week full time
If it was me I would thought location would be more important
junior doctors are badly paid and worked hard but this is there apprenticeship then as they progress they are extremely well paid, Gps on the other hand are just lazy working a couple of days a week due to claimed stress and moonlighting but are extremely well paid.
What’s wrong with applying to your local hospital of your choice directly and if loads of people want to go for them well then make it extra complex to apply at that location.
It's a difficult one. In Australia graduate teachers are offered positions independent of their grades. If their grade allowed them to select their school all the best teachers will go to the same city schools and all the "worst" teachers get sent to the outback towns. Really good trainees are also required in the lowest ranked schools so for teachers here the offers are more random so there is a better spread of competence throughout the school system. The same is sensible for doctors and nurses, otherwise the level of care in "undesirable" locations could be really poor.
I’m confused- if the allocation is completely random how are people given the jobs where they geographically want to be? My trainees are telling me that they are ending up literally hundreds of miles from where they want to be geographically.
They have already been doing that in education for years and years so good luck to health!
Teaching hospitals in london are not glamourous
DEI = Didn’t Earn It.
If its a random allcation you will only end up with random results = nonsense!
If geography is what the best want. Give them that and let them choose
So the prestigious hospitals get the best new doctors and the deprived areas and rural communities take what’s left???,!!
I don't know, something happened???? 😮
“Random allocation”
Doesn't sound like this has anything to do with "merit" at all, more like folks who thought they could write their own ticket finding out otherwise.
I'm sure the folks out in the hinterlands will appreciate having a share of some of the top talent.
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The unintended consequence is that my local hospital, which is in a small city in Northern Ireland, could get top rate junior doctors, I'm not complaining.
The most academically gifted junior doctors are rarely the best coal-face doctors. This is a reflection of how doctors are trained. As a consultant I’d rather have a trainee who was diligent and curious but who had performed relatively mediocre in their medical school exams than a cocky arrogant work avoidant one who had aced them. The former tend to see patients and pick up skills and knowledge on the job, the latter often take extended study leave to buff up their cv even more and don’t like the actual coal-face job.
@tozmom615 It's always good to hear from someone who knows what they are talking about, if people like you were listened to and spoke up as one voice, the NHS might be saved from the managers and their wasteful ways.
The top teaching hospitals are the top teaching hospitals because they attract the best doctors; how long will they remain at the top if they are given junior doctors who are not 'top of their game' and might even resent being allocated to that hospital when they'd rather be closer to their family for example?
Could that scenario not encourage the doctors to improve to become 'top of their game'?
Poor discussion. Trying to sensationalise without shedding much light
There is a ethnic majority amongst junior Dr's
Stressed students/ doctors will be giving stress advice to their patients.
F the NHS.
In other words the big cities get the top junior doctors and the rest of the country have to put up with lower standards.
ME 8YEAR WATH SHIT HOSP IF ME DEAD BY HOSP WAS MUDERD
when looking for long term job maby check pay rate these doctors get great pensions and can work any where they should shut up for the good of diversity
If this is a National Health service then they can be drafted nationally. Scrap the NHS and make them fight for their place
FFS!
Booster anyone?
Maybe ethnics perform less well became they're admitted to Medical School with lower grades and they're not up to it. Perhaps everyone should need to get the required grades to attend Medical School?
What are you talking about
It kind of sounds like they are getting what they asked for, or at least refused to speak out against and now they are complaining it isn't what they wanted it to be.
So contextual offers to ethnic "minority" medical students means the less able get to become doctors squeezing out more able potential doctors. Meritocracy ended decades ago the impact is everywhere. I haven't been to a pharmacy for years that functions efficiently as pharmacology has take im immigrants and contextual offers for decades. The English were significantly better when they ran their own country and rhings actually worked well. Distant memory doubtless we will be told its the Mandela effect....i think not!
Junior doctors...........Welcome to Socialism....... HAHAHAHAHA.
Brexit disaster
ok tory bootlicker
Troll along.
What the hell has Brexit got to do with UK doctor selection process, are you mad or just an idiot !!!!
You buffoons are obsessed. I love it that you've been annoying yourself for 8 years 🤣
What has Brexit got to do with the topic being discussed?
This country has to many witch doctors..............😅😅😅😅