It is so incredible to see that someone 1. creates good content and then 2. answers every single question in the comments. That really means a lot to all of us who don't have any option to see or test these products irl so we rely completely on internet reviews which is why we kinda need to have all boxes checked when buying expensive products such as trainers. As for the Core someone on DCR blog posted an answer from Wahoo in which they said that these power issues are high priority for firmware update. So all might be well with this product in the end.
Thanks for the kind words MP. I try my best with the follow ups and questions. It's something a lot of other cycling media don't do. Wahoo Megan posted some great news about what they've found with the CORE in regards to the overshoot. I'll post an update as soon as I've tested it out and collected the data.
This video is 2.5 years old, yet I just watched this video a few days ago and pulled the trigger on this bike trainer yesterday. Did an initial Ramp test on TrainerRoad with it and WOW I love it! I am coming from the Saris M2 wheel-on smart trainer. Just like Shane said, when you stop pedaling for even just 3-5 strokes, that trainer would completely halt and just punished you as you tried to get back up to speed/power. My favorite part of the Kickr Core. It is SOO silent. Really all you hear is the sound of the chain and drivetrain like you would hear out on the road. It is incredible because you can play music, podcasts, or Netflix shows at 1/4th the volume level that I used to have to play them at with my old trainer.
I bet the peddles are undershooting. How could the kickr core be early? It can't predict that he is about the sprint. On the otherhand, the pedals show some lag or hysteresis, which is typical of a strain gauge. I'll be the Kikr is right and the peddles are overly smoothed and possibly showing hysteresis. Hard to know though.
I'm surprised that they messed up on the leg positions. They did a great job with the regular Kickr in getting the footprint centered under the axle. It is an easy fix to offset the holes in the legs to make it set the bike on the true center. If people find the asymmetrical layout to be a problem, a warranty killer to re-drill the holes in the proper location is a relatively quick solution. Just didn't expect them to make that silly of a mistake.
For those of us in frozen Canada, we are taking our bikes off the road at this point in the year anyways, so I was able to take my cassette off my road wheel and throw it on my new core without any issues - nullified any of my concerns about the increased cost of the cassette-less core vs other mid-tier trainers as I'll be able to postpone the cost of a new cassette until the spring. Plus, it gave me an excuse to give my gears a good spit shine :P
The overshoot on sprints is totally worth noting, especially if people do not have another power meter to work with. As for what I'm looking for (gradient simulation because I live in the Great Plains of the U.S. with no option for climbing), it sounds like it will totally fit the bill. Plus, I've had great experiences with Wahoo products and their support for them (both in tickets and regular firmware updates). Consider the trigger pulled on this one. Cannot wait to Zwift!
I see the same thing on my Hammer vs my other power meters. I wonder if the overshoots are the same at high flywheel speed / lower resistance vs low flywheel speed / high resistance.
Thanks Shane! Yours and DC work on this has been appreciated. This trainer is for one for me, quiet and I don’t need to sprint on TR, so I’m more than happy with it.
Hi Shane! Just thinking to buy the Core, do you know if the 2020 models are fine with the noise aparently from bearings or something like that? Thanks for your help
Thanks Shaun, Great unbiased review. Almost clicked through on a purchase of a Tacx Flux 2 until I took one last look at this review. I've gone for the Kickr Core on a Cyber Monday deal with Zwift - saved myself £70 into the bargain - £629.99.
I have the Assiomas and the Kickr 2017. I have a similar issue. On TrainerRoad, without 'power matching' enabled, the Kickr reads higher than the Assiomas. If I do an interval in ERG mode of say 200 watts, the Assiomas read about 190. Of course power matching corrects it, but the Kickr does over read.
Great video and it helped me make a decision, thank you GPL. Weirdly when I am off the bike, and operate the climb down, the core drags itself forward and the legs of the core come together. Then when I put the climb back to level the front leg of the core is now completely off the ground. (I use my gear on rubber gym mats) It would be good if the legs could be locked as extended in some way.
Hey Shane, it may be worth mentioning the Kickr Core is having mechanical problems. It is quite common to hear a ticking noise in the Core. Wahoo is being very amicable and offering to ship you a new unit and has provided the detailed directions on how to repair on your own with a $100 voucher. I am waiting on my second unit to arrive, but I have read stories of people even on their 3rd already. The unit still works fine, but it is worth a call out for any prospective buyers I think.
Mentioned a number of times in other videos. The issue wasn’t encountered when I made this video, and there’s no editing for videos allowed here on TH-cam. I’ve even been sent abusive messages over this one..... when I have zero control over the process.
@@gplama ah sorry i didnt know. i hate to hear you're receiving such messages when you're only trying to help educate consumers. i always appreciate your videos.
I’m really curious how the Tacx Flux 2 will compare to this Kickr Core. Both trainers are almost identical when it comes to gradient, power and accuracy. Even price wise there’s no difference (both announced for €799 in Holland). I hope the Tacx 2 will appear soon in the Lama labtest for a decent comparison.
Hi Shane, good review. Do you know if this trainer (as of 2023) is compatible with the cervelo soloist? I ask this because my soloist fits under the 12*142mm which it claims to be compatible with, yet the websites and retailers are saying that among other bikes, it is not compatible with cervelo disc frames! Please help
Shane, mate...I have the kickr Snap and with this review got me thinking a bit. I may have to upgrade. Again, excellent review and good to see Wahoo trolling your reviews and taking initiative to analyse and rectify the issue.
I was considering upgrading from Snap to Core, but for the difference (selling the snap and buying the Core) I could get some Assioma pedals. That feels like a better investment to me and the Snap has been faultless.
Thanks Shane, very good review (as usual) and one that I've been looking forward to. Will be watching with interest to see if Wahoo release a firmware update to address the overshoots. Especially now the Lama has shown it here. Good point as well that cost should factor the cassette and cadence sensor which does adjust the total price if you don't have those already.
I was gonna eventually get a Tacx Neo, although it's hard to justify $1,600 for a trainer here in southern California where it's sunny and dry about 358 days a year. I think I'll go with this instead. Time to start saving.
A comprehensive overview, thank you Shane! In theory, would it be possible to change the freehub to something quieter or is the design proprietary to Wahoo? It seems an odd choice to market a 'silent' trainer that has an obnoxious, shouty freehub.
I have been waiting for people to start asking for quiet freehubs. The trainers are well and quiet now, but it's funny when you coast and it's significantly more loud. There are several designs of quiet and near silent freehub designs. I expect the next gen of trainers will include some version of these to address the final big source of noise. I still find it funny that it has taken this long to be recognized.
I just got my Kickr Core today and I was pleasantly surprised to find, that the freehub is absolutely silent. In this video it’s sounds really loud. Early production model maybe? Did they address this issue already? It’s awesome now, completely silent freewheeling.
That is very cool. I am curious to hear confirmation on this and if the Kickr 2018 gets similar treatment. It is only natural to make the freehub mechanism quiet as well, in the effort to making the trainer as quiet as possible.
Thank you for review, was waiting for it to see if there are some hidden issues with Core before I order. Sprint overshoot is weird but it won't affect me too much as I don't need that kind of precision + imho it isn't that big of a problem for training if it always overshoots, it would be a bigger problem if it was getting unstable (sometimes overshoot, sometimes undershoot) at higher wattage. It could be unfair on Zwift tho. It's gonna be my first trainer, can't wait to get it.
So it’s normal if the left rear leg lifts more easily than the right on this Kickr Core trainer? The fact that it moves a little and is slightly tilted to the right, is that normal? Thanks for the video, and sorry for the bad English, I’m French haha
Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update? I have been using the unit since it came out in September. I feel that the unit is not very stable when sprinting and was worried to fall over. I have subsequently attached it to a sheet of plywood. I have had some issues with ZWIFT via ANT+, the power readings were all over the place, rendering any training impossible. I now only use it with the head unit and today's plans for workouts. Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update? Best wishes from Germany!
I'm years late but just about to buy a trainer now that's they're coming back into stock in Oz after Covid craziness. Is the asymmetrical aspect a problem? Does the bike lean to the right at all when you're sitting there or can you not feel it?
I tried to buy this trainer all last year to replace my Saris M2 wheel-on trainer and could never find one in stock. This week my local REI had 4, yes FOUR Kickr Cores in stock! So I picked one up. I noticed the asymmetrical aspect immediately with how the bike lined up on my trainer mat. But other than the aesthetics, it doesn't seem to affect it physically. You will just need to line the trainer up about 3-4 inches to the left (non-driveside of bike) of center on the mat, so that the bike ends up centered on the mat when riding.
I bought a Core recently, like it apart from one critical issue. Its very unstable when doing efforts out of the saddle, my one almost tipped over because of the off centre design.
Hey Shane, I know this is an old video but with any luck you’ll respond. I just got a kickr core and the power reads approx 10% higher than my Assioma’s. I know the pedals are accurate as they’ve been consistent over the past year with other power meters. Wahoo is saying it’s within range. Any thoughts?
Man, you sure hit the watts out there getting that green jersey. Even your garmin was knocked down by it 😅@7:39 thanks again for your extensive research and digging deep into the all the new tech that is out there!
Hello everyone, so if i ve got wahoo combo: kickr core trainer (max incline 16%) + wahoo climb (max incline 20%), wahoo climb don´t let me more than 16% right? 🤓 thank you
Just got my kickr core and went to give it a test after installing the cassette but I’m getting a bit of cassette wobble in my last 3 cogs... any ideas ?
I am considering it at the moment. But considering that it costs 700EUR here in Germany and that I have to purchase a cassette (only Ultegra available at the moment, 105 sold out everywhere) it will cost 780 in total. A Kickr V5 is available for 990EUR nowadays including a usable cassette. So although the Core would be sufficient, I am wondering, if the V5 is not worth these additional 210 EUR. Difficult, difficult…
after finally getting a wahoo kickr core up & usable question maybe you can help with wondering how close does a computer have to be for the bike trainer to connect to via USB2Ant+. I have a windows 10 desktop (definitely meets specs.) about 20' from where bike is w/wahoo trainer. I wondered if I can connect at that distance with the desktop mirroring to chromecast on a big screen tv that is in the room where bike is? I haven't purchased the usb2ant+ dongle yet I was thinking of buying wahoo's since its definite it would work w/this trainer. Thanks
Hi Shane. First of all greetings froma spain. I have a big doubt and for sure your opinion will help me to made my decision. After testing the kickr core and the Direto, wich one will you choose. The Kickr core cost 800 € and the Direto cost aprox 650 €. You think the kick worth this 150 euro diference?. Regards
Is there any rumours of a new core model. Im already thinking of buying with the zwift cog package but worried about it being soon replaced as its already over 5 years old. Then theres support from Wahoo. Dont want to buy then no support and updates?
What’s the verdict on the Kickr Core now? Did the original problems with noise and reliability get sorted out? Shane, if this was the only trainer you were allowed to have would you feel neglected?
I managed to find a kickr core the other day so I took the plunge and a zwifting I will go. A big thanks for all your vids on trainers and Zwift. Do you have any reconstruction on which training options are good? Thanks again 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice one. Training..... it really depends. Give someone structure to their training, they'll likely improve. As for what structure will get the most improvements... that's the trick most coaches will charge $$$/month to determine.
Thank you for your videos. Can you unplug the KICKR Core when not in use? Plug in only when you are using it? Or if you do unplug it, do you then have to do another spindown?
the freehub sound seems very different, almost as if the noise from the ratchet and pawls are causing some resonance in another part. to me at least, it sounds almost ceramic if that makes sense
Hi. Thanks a lot for this video. Quick question. Possible to have on the element bolt power from my quarq powermeter and resistance control of the Wahoo core? Or when the core is conected, we have no other choice to have the power from the core?
Wooaaahhh ! That lovely X-ray iPad ! Apart from that, I’ve got a CANYON bike, and they have a different system to attach their wheels... do you think it would still work ? Thanks !
Thanks for the thorough review. I am very happy with my Neo but it's great to see what the competitors are doing. Top 3 things I still like more about the Neo: no power cord to worry about, no need for spindown/calibration, and the freehub is much quieter (judging by this video).
I do like the Neo but is trainer noise really an issue? Drive trains and fans are noisier than most smart trainers these days. Especially if you're running a large industrial fan for cooling.
dan110024 Noise is definitely a problem for those of us who live in apartment buildings with other people below them. However, the issue is not as simple as just measuring and comparing the sound intensity of various setups (number of dBs). Turns out that, depending on pitch and other characteristics, some type of noise is perceptibly more annoying than others, even at the same intensity. Also certain frequencies get attenuated by the mat and the floor much better than others. There has been some research trying to measure the annoyance factor of such noise. IRC, the study I read determined that vibrations around 10Hz are one such peak. This was one of the reasons why I had to give up on my Kickr Snap -- Wahoo's manufacturing tolerances are not great for these units and their rollers are typically slightly off-round. At the typical speeds I was riding, that caused vibrations at around 14Hz -- close enough. Even though this model of trainers is otherwise super quiet, the vibrations were too much for any mat I threw at them and the people who live below. It got to a point where I had to decide b/w the trainer and moving. Many people also find the high-pitch "whining" of the early Kickr models intolerable. The noise from the Neo, the drive train, fans, A/Cs, etc, is at much different frequencies and is generally closer to brown noise. Not only is it less annoying but some people can't sleep without a pink/brown noise machine. But bottom line: with Kickr Snap my neighbors complained (hell, I complained); with the Neo live is happy for everyone.
Having almost pulled the trigger on a Tacx Neo, I saw your long term review of it and the issue of "virtual-wheel-slip". Due to the importance of a realistic climbing simulation for me (I already own InsideRide E-Motion rollers AND Elite Quick Motion Rollers for "flat" free-ride training with resistance) and the absolute need for a ''no-slip" trainer, would you say the Kickr Core hits the sweet spot? Assuming they'll fix the the high-power overshoots. Or does the Kickr 2018 still offer an actual benefit in low speed, 10%+ climbing? (Or could it be that the Neo issues have been solved?). Thanks.
The included cassette, carrying handle, higher max incline, and heavier flywheel (giving better road feel) easily make up for the extra price of the Kickr 18 and justify it over the Core.
How would you compare the Elite Direto to the Kickr Core as this is the price range I'm looking at for my next trainer, currently tacx vortex but would like direct drive
The CORE has the edge over the Direto in terms of braking strength (so better in ERG with different flywheel speeds). The CORE is a little quieter. The Direto has better power accuracy at this point.
May not be the bargain it seems to be depending on your needs.Not sure but think with core you have to buy your own cassette and cadence sensor which come supplied with the full price kickr .please correct me if I’m wrong n ill delete this
Shane Miller - GPLama sorry didn’t give my full attention nearly always watch utube while doing other things.Always look forward to your new vids this one I clicked on while stuffing my face with the unhealthy option in the works canteen🤢
I just got a kickr. When i put my bike on my kickr my deralreur seems off by 2 gears. For example it wont shift into my largest 2 cogs. It also will shift 2 times beyond my smallest cog, thus the chain falling off. Both cassets are 11 speed. Am i required to make a huge adjustment to my limiter skrew or am i doing something wrong?
Hello, I have acquired a wahoo kickr Core roller, I have a 2020 oiz m10 with a Shimano 12v cassette, I wanted to know if I can put a 12v Cassette without changing the core, I had been told that I could put SRAM NX or Sunrace and I would not have to change the core, I'm a little lost and wanted to be sure before buying the cassette, thanks.
The NX is a HyperGlide cassette, so will fit onto a standard Shimano/SRAM freehub. If that's compatible with the groupset you're running, that'll work. Maybe check with a local bike shop mechanic first to be 100%.
Great review mate, have missed the boat on indoor trainers with the current stay indoors pandemic but may be available end of the month. Just wondering if these are still the best bang for buck/minimum quality you'd want or is there a tacx Neo equivalent (The new Neo2 looks great but $2k. Assume Only extra accessories you need are the cassette, matt, perhaps the desktop station. I've got a defy thru axel with 11-28 or campy 10sp 12-27 (but already have a spare/old 12-25. Want something quiet for apartment use Thanks!
I just got a refurb model and I don't have the tool to attach the cassette - is there a way around this or do I have to take it to a bike shop to tighten it?
These reviews are greatly appreciated. What is the consequence of the Kickr Core Power reading "overshoot" during a sprint? Of what value is Kickr climb besides changing the angle of your torso while riding? Your voice cadence at times is a bit fast for my understanding for certain phrases. At 5:27, I could not make out what you said. Something about the ratcheting...?
The "consequence" is "free watts" in what may well be a determining points in Zwift racing. Those extra watts are huge if you are attempting to hold on to or establish breaks. It is effectively "cheating" as the power reported is notably greater than the "true" value when read from a direct force power meter. This may well be addressed via a firmware update. As it stands, people will have another trainer (Hammer is also accused of overshooting in sprints) to question when they get beat in Zwift racing. If you mainly train and don't race on Zwift, the overall impact is not likely an issue.
It sounds like Zwift should make a standardized power meter for all Zwift users so those that are competiting with others, will feel there is level playing field.
Chad answered the power one. Kickr Climb value.... highly debated. I won't go into it, it's more immersive for hills. Discussed a bit on my livestreams. Voice cadence. The Lama CORE doesn't ship with a cadence sensor. I'll install 3rd party one. :)
Re: standardized power: Meh, racing in Zwift should be seen for what it is... a fun way to enjoy riding indoors... with the added benefit of chasing wheels for more motivation, like riding outside. Power variability is one of may ways that "balanced competition" will be hampered. There are numerous ways to cheat (on purpose) or have inaccurate data (accidental) and will impact the race results. The vast majority of racing is fun with only ego on the line. So people should keep that in mind and just have fun being able to compete with people 24 hours a day with thousands of people from around the globe. Those fortunate few that actually compete for money on Zwift generally do so on matched equipment, in a shared group setting, that aims to keep the playing field level. Outside of that, I see the overemphasis on racing and the related results as silly. But different strokes...
Hello Shane, i want to buy a new trainer but doubting between kickr core, wahoo neo 2 smart and flux 2. What would be your reommendations? I tried to find out with reveiws but cant find what is the best
Shane, could you comment if you can tell a difference in the road-feel/inertia between the Core vs the 2018 Kickr or are they nearer-makes-no-difference? Your inertia video (THANKS) and some experimentation has helped me finally figure out a knee pain was due to my low-inertia Tacx Vortex at high watts/resistance, and so i'm looking to upgrade to something with less of that sticky-pedal mud-pulling sensation.
What’s the difference between the Kickr and Kickr Core? Do I need to buy a Casette for the Kickr Core or do I use the one on my bike? If I want to use an app like ifit sometimes can I still ride my bike if the app isn’t controlling my bike? Any compatible apps that mimic riding in another country, not on the road/racing? I’m a little intimated about putting this together! Do I need any special tools?
Shane, what specific belt is on this unit? Same as the older units? My Kickr2 belt is a Gates Power Grip GT 5M 170T 15. I think Gates has "updated/upgraded(?) this with the Gates Power Grip HTD; part number 850 5M 15. This is what I just replaced my belt with. Didn't notice any difference, though my unit never seems to make as much noise as what I see in online videos. Just curious if this is what they are shipping with new units. BTW; belt is 15mm wide with 170 teeth at a pitch of 5mm which makes the length 850mm. You can see the relation to the part numbers and these specs...
Brilliant videos Shane. Question: Can you connect a Wahoo Kickr Core to the Tacs trainer desktop sofrware if you want to use their HD location riding films as a change from Zwift? Looking at with the Kickr Core (899 euro) or the reduced Neo 1 (1025 euro) .... hmmm any advice. The Neo 1 still looks like a solid machine?
thinking about upgrading to a direct driver type. Are the tacx neo bits like road/cobble feel worth the incremental dollars? I think that is the main difference right? accuracy is 1% better?
Hey Shane, thanks for all the content and congratulations on the little one. Bit of a local advocate for Zwift here and so far I've been riding a old dumb trainer which has done me well in our wet winters, autumns, springs and well it's wet in summer too. I recently borrowed a Tacx Bushido and my eyes were opened to the world of Smart trainers and now in place to replace it but my question is... What is the benefit of a direct drive turbo like the Neo 2 or Kickr Core compared to a wheel driven one like the Kickr Snap or Bushido. Thanks.
Hi Shane. You say the Core is compatible with all bikes. Does that include 10 speed Campag? I know the original Kickr had a adaptor, but since the 11speed groupsets have been released this is no longer compatible with the current crop of Kickr’s. If the core isn’t compatible with ‘all’ bikes which direct drive trainer would you recommend with a 10speed Campagnolo set up? Keep up the great reviews! Thanks.
Nice review, I like the addition of the gold stickers. Since there is no carrying handle I'm interested to know how transportable the unit is and also how much space the Core needs when it is put away.
It's a little awkward to move. Not as easy as a Kickr with the handle. Space wise..... it folds and stands to about 1/3 of the space length wise. I'd need to measure it for a specific answer.
Can you tell a bit more about "road feel"? For example in comparison with Neo, Hammer 1 or Drivo 1 (basically all 4 trainers are within 200eur now). We can see differences in accuracy, size, noise etc but are there some noticable differences betwen these trainers if realistic feel was the only criteria? Or are differences small/subjective?
'Realistic feel' is the LeMond Revolution. The Kickr flywheel can't be 'tricked' by massive changes in torque. The Neo feels a little lighter/empty in regards to inertia under different conditions. When I can quantify this I will. For now, test ride each if you can.
What do you think is more accurate? The cadence reported by the trainer or a Garmin 2 cadence sensor? Can you override the trainer with dedicated sensor?
great video Shane... so Kickr Core vs JetBlack Volt, which one will you choose? regarding power accuracy, ride feel, durability and stability? thank you
@@gplama thanks for the quick response Shane.. also do you have any idea of incoming new gen for Kickr Core? Kickr Core v2 maybe? Just like the Kikcr just got new gen
Shane, love your videos! I recently bought a Kickr Core and some Assioma Duo pedals and noticed this little Assioma graphic you had on your Zwift screen at 7:28 during your sprint. Can you tell me what that is and or how you did that?
Hi Shane. Thanks so much for being a beacon in the sea of options out there. As someone who has to breakdown/put away his trainer after each use, will the Core remain accurate in its power readings when i take it out again, or do I have to recalibrate each time I set the trainer back up? Trying to find an easy solution that won't require daily recalibrating (any other models that are better?) Thanks!
New to smart bike training. What app are you using in this demo? What do I need to buy with Kickr Core besides the cassette? Do i need the Cadence and Speed sensors? What else do I need to buy?
Hi, I have a question. Why zwift has a big lag in reporting the speed. Most of the time I am going to 25-28mph and it says 4mph. Is there a way I can fix it? thank you
Shane Miller - GPLama thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. Is there something I should do to make this experience more real? Because I see the power on zwift and it seems correct but not the speed. Thank you
The Kickr has rear wheel sizing adjustability via the height adjustment knob. For the Kickr Core, is there any height adjustability similar to the Kickr or is a front wheel block required?
So your bike didnt need any indexing? I worry about the fact that I will need to adjust the indexing every time i put the bike back on the trainer and vice versa
Does the sensor in the pedals count that the pedals can be lifted with the foot? When you lift the pedal with your foot, the sensor probably does not count. If you lift one pedal with 100W, and press the other pedal with 600W, the sensor in the pedal probably only receives the watts that come from the pressure on it, i.e. 600W, ain't it? The direct drive trainer measures the power from the rear crank, so it will definitely show the total watts. I'm not wrong?
That's assuming the gauges only register in one direction. That's not the case in my experience. As for how they calculate total power based on what I'd call negative forces on the upstroke, that's an interesting question. One I don't have a quick answer to.
Hello Shane! I bought Kickr Core 2 days ago. I also did a spin down (in Wahoo Fitness App). I use Zwift app, but I am not sure if my device is well calibrated (because of power). Is it necessary to do also a spin down in Zwift? If yes, my zwift do not recognise speed at spin down test (I always have 0 km/h). Can you please help me? Thank you very much! Cheers from Slovakia!
Shane i really need some help. Got the kickr core . Have garmin hr and cadence. pairing fone in wahoos fitness app. Wanted to use zwift you make that look fun. I dont get hr and cadence on zwift. Using my android. What am u doing wrong. David
Any theories as to why they decided to put a smaller fly wheel on the Core vs the Kickr? With that being asked, could the overshoots simply be due to someone uploading the wrong firmware or getting lazy and using the same firmware for both the Core and Kickr?
This video is 5 years on and still comes across as top-class quality and highly relevant. Thanks Shane for the awesome content.
It is so incredible to see that someone 1. creates good content and then 2. answers every single question in the comments. That really means a lot to all of us who don't have any option to see or test these products irl so we rely completely on internet reviews which is why we kinda need to have all boxes checked when buying expensive products such as trainers. As for the Core someone on DCR blog posted an answer from Wahoo in which they said that these power issues are high priority for firmware update. So all might be well with this product in the end.
Thanks for the kind words MP. I try my best with the follow ups and questions. It's something a lot of other cycling media don't do. Wahoo Megan posted some great news about what they've found with the CORE in regards to the overshoot. I'll post an update as soon as I've tested it out and collected the data.
This video is 2.5 years old, yet I just watched this video a few days ago and pulled the trigger on this bike trainer yesterday. Did an initial Ramp test on TrainerRoad with it and WOW I love it! I am coming from the Saris M2 wheel-on smart trainer. Just like Shane said, when you stop pedaling for even just 3-5 strokes, that trainer would completely halt and just punished you as you tried to get back up to speed/power. My favorite part of the Kickr Core. It is SOO silent. Really all you hear is the sound of the chain and drivetrain like you would hear out on the road. It is incredible because you can play music, podcasts, or Netflix shows at 1/4th the volume level that I used to have to play them at with my old trainer.
almost two years since you posted this @GPLama, and this is still useful! thank you!
The zwift racing crew gonna love these overshoots.
I bet the peddles are undershooting. How could the kickr core be early? It can't predict that he is about the sprint. On the otherhand, the pedals show some lag or hysteresis, which is typical of a strain gauge. I'll be the Kikr is right and the peddles are overly smoothed and possibly showing hysteresis. Hard to know though.
I'm surprised that they messed up on the leg positions. They did a great job with the regular Kickr in getting the footprint centered under the axle.
It is an easy fix to offset the holes in the legs to make it set the bike on the true center. If people find the asymmetrical layout to be a problem, a warranty killer to re-drill the holes in the proper location is a relatively quick solution. Just didn't expect them to make that silly of a mistake.
Or get your own metal rods, drill a hole in them, install them and done deal. No warranty void
@@jubilantyogurt good call :D
For those of us in frozen Canada, we are taking our bikes off the road at this point in the year anyways, so I was able to take my cassette off my road wheel and throw it on my new core without any issues - nullified any of my concerns about the increased cost of the cassette-less core vs other mid-tier trainers as I'll be able to postpone the cost of a new cassette until the spring. Plus, it gave me an excuse to give my gears a good spit shine :P
The overshoot on sprints is totally worth noting, especially if people do not have another power meter to work with. As for what I'm looking for (gradient simulation because I live in the Great Plains of the U.S. with no option for climbing), it sounds like it will totally fit the bill. Plus, I've had great experiences with Wahoo products and their support for them (both in tickets and regular firmware updates). Consider the trigger pulled on this one. Cannot wait to Zwift!
I see the same thing on my Hammer vs my other power meters. I wonder if the overshoots are the same at high flywheel speed / lower resistance vs low flywheel speed / high resistance.
Interesting. That may be the case and could be while both Ray and Shane think this could be addressed with firmware.
Thanks Shane! Yours and DC work on this has been appreciated.
This trainer is for one for me, quiet and I don’t need to sprint on TR, so I’m more than happy with it.
Hi Shane! Just thinking to buy the Core, do you know if the 2020 models are fine with the noise aparently from bearings or something like that?
Thanks for your help
X-ray iPad is a game changer :-)
...and presumably has the side-benefit of keeping your warranty intact! ;-)
Mind: blown. What is this witchcraft?
www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/09/04/uci-insist-testing-mechanical-fraud-highly-effective-doubts/
Thanks Shaun, Great unbiased review. Almost clicked through on a purchase of a Tacx Flux 2 until I took one last look at this review. I've gone for the Kickr Core on a Cyber Monday deal with Zwift - saved myself £70 into the bargain - £629.99.
I have the Assiomas and the Kickr 2017. I have a similar issue. On TrainerRoad, without 'power matching' enabled, the Kickr reads higher than the Assiomas. If I do an interval in ERG mode of say 200 watts, the Assiomas read about 190. Of course power matching corrects it, but the Kickr does over read.
Great video and it helped me make a decision, thank you GPL.
Weirdly when I am off the bike, and operate the climb down, the core drags itself forward and the legs of the core come together. Then when I put the climb back to level the front leg of the core is now completely off the ground. (I use my gear on rubber gym mats)
It would be good if the legs could be locked as extended in some way.
Hey Shane, it may be worth mentioning the Kickr Core is having mechanical problems. It is quite common to hear a ticking noise in the Core. Wahoo is being very amicable and offering to ship you a new unit and has provided the detailed directions on how to repair on your own with a $100 voucher. I am waiting on my second unit to arrive, but I have read stories of people even on their 3rd already. The unit still works fine, but it is worth a call out for any prospective buyers I think.
Mentioned a number of times in other videos. The issue wasn’t encountered when I made this video, and there’s no editing for videos allowed here on TH-cam. I’ve even been sent abusive messages over this one..... when I have zero control over the process.
@@gplama ah sorry i didnt know. i hate to hear you're receiving such messages when you're only trying to help educate consumers. i always appreciate your videos.
I've picked up my pre-ordered Kickr Core. Pushys in Fyshwick have the Kickr Core in the shop. Your LBS should have initial stock now.
I bought this today all set up and ready for spin down tomorrow super excited
I know there are other comments on this... but iPad x-ray!??? MIND & EYES = BLOWN.
Just bought in 2021 this is still helpful 🙂
I’m really curious how the Tacx Flux 2 will compare to this Kickr Core. Both trainers are almost identical when it comes to gradient, power and accuracy. Even price wise there’s no difference (both announced for €799 in Holland). I hope the Tacx 2 will appear soon in the Lama labtest for a decent comparison.
Me too, because I hesitate between these 2 models...
DCrainmaker says the CORE has a better road feel and is more silent.
Hi Shane, good review. Do you know if this trainer (as of 2023) is compatible with the cervelo soloist? I ask this because my soloist fits under the 12*142mm which it claims to be compatible with, yet the websites and retailers are saying that among other bikes, it is not compatible with cervelo disc frames! Please help
What a cracking channel this is. SO it seems the 2018 Kickr smart is worth the extra money
What is a candence sensor and how do you use it or install it on the kickr ? Do you have a video about this ?
Shane, mate...I have the kickr Snap and with this review got me thinking a bit. I may have to upgrade. Again, excellent review and good to see Wahoo trolling your reviews and taking initiative to analyse and rectify the issue.
I was considering upgrading from Snap to Core, but for the difference (selling the snap and buying the Core) I could get some Assioma pedals. That feels like a better investment to me and the Snap has been faultless.
Thanks Shane, very good review (as usual) and one that I've been looking forward to. Will be watching with interest to see if Wahoo release a firmware update to address the overshoots. Especially now the Lama has shown it here. Good point as well that cost should factor the cassette and cadence sensor which does adjust the total price if you don't have those already.
I was gonna eventually get a Tacx Neo, although it's hard to justify $1,600 for a trainer here in southern California where it's sunny and dry about 358 days a year. I think I'll go with this instead. Time to start saving.
Yes, but over here on the cloudy ugly east coast, the news tells us you guys are either flooding or on fire 150 days a year. ;)
@@ryaandnice More like 300 days a year
Although after living in New England for 42 years, I don't miss the rain, snow and winter.
A comprehensive overview, thank you Shane!
In theory, would it be possible to change the freehub to something quieter or is the design proprietary to Wahoo? It seems an odd choice to market a 'silent' trainer that has an obnoxious, shouty freehub.
I have been waiting for people to start asking for quiet freehubs. The trainers are well and quiet now, but it's funny when you coast and it's significantly more loud.
There are several designs of quiet and near silent freehub designs. I expect the next gen of trainers will include some version of these to address the final big source of noise.
I still find it funny that it has taken this long to be recognized.
I'm not sure about compatibility there. Maybe pack it with grease?
I just got my Kickr Core today and I was pleasantly surprised to find, that the freehub is absolutely silent. In this video it’s sounds really loud. Early production model maybe? Did they address this issue already? It’s awesome now, completely silent freewheeling.
That is very cool. I am curious to hear confirmation on this and if the Kickr 2018 gets similar treatment.
It is only natural to make the freehub mechanism quiet as well, in the effort to making the trainer as quiet as possible.
Thank you for review, was waiting for it to see if there are some hidden issues with Core before I order. Sprint overshoot is weird but it won't affect me too much as I don't need that kind of precision + imho it isn't that big of a problem for training if it always overshoots, it would be a bigger problem if it was getting unstable (sometimes overshoot, sometimes undershoot) at higher wattage. It could be unfair on Zwift tho. It's gonna be my first trainer, can't wait to get it.
So it’s normal if the left rear leg lifts more easily than the right on this Kickr Core trainer? The fact that it moves a little and is slightly tilted to the right, is that normal? Thanks for the video, and sorry for the bad English, I’m French haha
Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update?
I have been using the unit since it came out in September.
I feel that the unit is not very stable when sprinting and was worried to fall over. I have subsequently attached it to a sheet of plywood. I have had some issues with ZWIFT via ANT+, the power readings were all over the place, rendering any training impossible.
I now only use it with the head unit and today's plans for workouts.
Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update?
Best wishes from Germany!
Gp: watt overshoots = 9/10
Me: watt overshoots = 11/10
🤣🤣
I'm years late but just about to buy a trainer now that's they're coming back into stock in Oz after Covid craziness. Is the asymmetrical aspect a problem? Does the bike lean to the right at all when you're sitting there or can you not feel it?
Not an issue on a stable surface.
I tried to buy this trainer all last year to replace my Saris M2 wheel-on trainer and could never find one in stock. This week my local REI had 4, yes FOUR Kickr Cores in stock! So I picked one up. I noticed the asymmetrical aspect immediately with how the bike lined up on my trainer mat. But other than the aesthetics, it doesn't seem to affect it physically. You will just need to line the trainer up about 3-4 inches to the left (non-driveside of bike) of center on the mat, so that the bike ends up centered on the mat when riding.
I bought a Core recently, like it apart from one critical issue. Its very unstable when doing efforts out of the saddle, my one almost tipped over because of the off centre design.
Hey Shane, I know this is an old video but with any luck you’ll respond. I just got a kickr core and the power reads approx 10% higher than my Assioma’s. I know the pedals are accurate as they’ve been consistent over the past year with other power meters. Wahoo is saying it’s within range. Any thoughts?
Man, you sure hit the watts out there getting that green jersey. Even your garmin was knocked down by it 😅@7:39 thanks again for your extensive research and digging deep into the all the new tech that is out there!
I have quick release wheels on my 2015 Trek Madone. Not through axle. Is it comparable with Kickr Core?
Hello everyone, so if i ve got wahoo combo: kickr core trainer (max incline 16%) + wahoo climb (max incline 20%), wahoo climb don´t let me more than 16% right? 🤓 thank you
Just got my kickr core and went to give it a test after installing the cassette but I’m getting a bit of cassette wobble in my last 3 cogs... any ideas ?
I am considering it at the moment. But considering that it costs 700EUR here in Germany and that I have to purchase a cassette (only Ultegra available at the moment, 105 sold out everywhere) it will cost 780 in total. A Kickr V5 is available for 990EUR nowadays including a usable cassette. So although the Core would be sufficient, I am wondering, if the V5 is not worth these additional 210 EUR.
Difficult, difficult…
after finally getting a wahoo kickr core up & usable question maybe you can help with wondering how close does a computer have to be for the bike trainer to connect to via USB2Ant+. I have a windows 10 desktop (definitely meets specs.) about 20' from where bike is w/wahoo trainer. I wondered if I can connect at that distance with the desktop mirroring to chromecast on a big screen tv that is in the room where bike is? I haven't purchased the usb2ant+ dongle yet I was thinking of buying wahoo's since its definite it would work w/this trainer. Thanks
You need a usb extension cord. It's about $10 on Amazon and it is 3 meters long. Works like a champ.
Hi Shane. First of all greetings froma spain. I have a big doubt and for sure your opinion will help me to made my decision. After testing the kickr core and the Direto, wich one will you choose. The Kickr core cost 800 € and the Direto cost aprox 650 €. You think the kick worth this 150 euro diference?. Regards
Is there any rumours of a new core model.
Im already thinking of buying with the zwift cog package but worried about it being soon replaced as its already over 5 years old.
Then theres support from Wahoo.
Dont want to buy then no support and updates?
Companies rarely give public indication of what's on the horizon.
What’s the verdict on the Kickr Core now? Did the original problems with noise and reliability get sorted out?
Shane, if this was the only trainer you were allowed to have would you feel neglected?
I managed to find a kickr core the other day so I took the plunge and a zwifting I will go. A big thanks for all your vids on trainers and Zwift. Do you have any reconstruction on which training options are good? Thanks again 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice one. Training..... it really depends. Give someone structure to their training, they'll likely improve. As for what structure will get the most improvements... that's the trick most coaches will charge $$$/month to determine.
Shane Miller - GPLama ok cheers. I might just start on the beginning FTP builder. And some casual exploring of Zwift for now 👍🏻.
will it make more sense to have the TV a little bit lower mounted so you can look more "downwards" which will take away tension from your neck?
Yep, that can work well for some setups.
Thank you for your videos. Can you unplug the KICKR Core when not in use? Plug in only when you are using it? Or if you do unplug it, do you then have to do another spindown?
You can if you like. It really doesn't matter if you're on clean power. It will remember the spindown values between power cycles.
the freehub sound seems very different, almost as if the noise from the ratchet and pawls are causing some resonance in another part. to me at least, it sounds almost ceramic if that makes sense
Pack it with grease, job done! :)
Hi. Thanks a lot for this video.
Quick question. Possible to have on the element bolt power from my quarq powermeter and resistance control of the Wahoo core? Or when the core is conected, we have no other choice to have the power from the core?
No. The Wahoo GPS units don't have the option at this time to do power matching like this.
Wooaaahhh ! That lovely X-ray iPad !
Apart from that, I’ve got a CANYON bike, and they have a different system to attach their wheels... do you think it would still work ? Thanks !
One for Wahoo or Canyon Support. I know there are a few of their bikes on the 'not compatible' list.
Thanks for the thorough review. I am very happy with my Neo but it's great to see what the competitors are doing.
Top 3 things I still like more about the Neo: no power cord to worry about, no need for spindown/calibration, and the freehub is much quieter (judging by this video).
I do like the Neo but is trainer noise really an issue? Drive trains and fans are noisier than most smart trainers these days. Especially if you're running a large industrial fan for cooling.
dan110024 Noise is definitely a problem for those of us who live in apartment buildings with other people below them. However, the issue is not as simple as just measuring and comparing the sound intensity of various setups (number of dBs). Turns out that, depending on pitch and other characteristics, some type of noise is perceptibly more annoying than others, even at the same intensity. Also certain frequencies get attenuated by the mat and the floor much better than others.
There has been some research trying to measure the annoyance factor of such noise. IRC, the study I read determined that vibrations around 10Hz are one such peak.
This was one of the reasons why I had to give up on my Kickr Snap -- Wahoo's manufacturing tolerances are not great for these units and their rollers are typically slightly off-round. At the typical speeds I was riding, that caused vibrations at around 14Hz -- close enough. Even though this model of trainers is otherwise super quiet, the vibrations were too much for any mat I threw at them and the people who live below. It got to a point where I had to decide b/w the trainer and moving.
Many people also find the high-pitch "whining" of the early Kickr models intolerable.
The noise from the Neo, the drive train, fans, A/Cs, etc, is at much different frequencies and is generally closer to brown noise. Not only is it less annoying but some people can't sleep without a pink/brown noise machine.
But bottom line: with Kickr Snap my neighbors complained (hell, I complained); with the Neo live is happy for everyone.
I would like to know the main difference between the kicker core and the kicker besides it's price.
Having almost pulled the trigger on a Tacx Neo, I saw your long term review of it and the issue of "virtual-wheel-slip". Due to the importance of a realistic climbing simulation for me (I already own InsideRide E-Motion rollers AND Elite Quick Motion Rollers for "flat" free-ride training with resistance) and the absolute need for a ''no-slip" trainer, would you say the Kickr Core hits the sweet spot? Assuming they'll fix the the high-power overshoots. Or does the Kickr 2018 still offer an actual benefit in low speed, 10%+ climbing? (Or could it be that the Neo issues have been solved?). Thanks.
The included cassette, carrying handle, higher max incline, and heavier flywheel (giving better road feel) easily make up for the extra price of the Kickr 18 and justify it over the Core.
Hi do you know if you of to use the kickr core with a front wheel block? Also what level do set the core
resistance for? Thanks.
How would you compare the Elite Direto to the Kickr Core as this is the price range I'm looking at for my next trainer, currently tacx vortex but would like direct drive
The CORE has the edge over the Direto in terms of braking strength (so better in ERG with different flywheel speeds). The CORE is a little quieter. The Direto has better power accuracy at this point.
what is the best way to train on zwift to improve your climbing shane
I have a cervelo r3d, which has proprietary cervelo thru axle (modified focus rat system) will the kicker core work with that?
May not be the bargain it seems to be depending on your needs.Not sure but think with core you have to buy your own cassette and cadence sensor which come supplied with the full price kickr .please correct me if I’m wrong n ill delete this
You can see what is in the box at 3:08 of the video and there is no cassette and no cadence sensor.
Mentioned a few times in the video.
Shane Miller - GPLama sorry didn’t give my full attention nearly always watch utube while doing other things.Always look forward to your new vids this one I clicked on while stuffing my face with the unhealthy option in the works canteen🤢
I just got a kickr. When i put my bike on my kickr my deralreur seems off by 2 gears. For example it wont shift into my largest 2 cogs. It also will shift 2 times beyond my smallest cog, thus the chain falling off. Both cassets are 11 speed. Am i required to make a huge adjustment to my limiter skrew or am i doing something wrong?
how many gears on your cassette? you might be missing a spacer on the freehub?
Hello, I have acquired a wahoo kickr Core roller, I have a 2020 oiz m10 with a Shimano 12v cassette, I wanted to know if I can put a 12v Cassette without changing the core, I had been told that I could put SRAM NX or Sunrace and I would not have to change the core, I'm a little lost and wanted to be sure before buying the cassette, thanks.
The NX is a HyperGlide cassette, so will fit onto a standard Shimano/SRAM freehub. If that's compatible with the groupset you're running, that'll work. Maybe check with a local bike shop mechanic first to be 100%.
Great review mate, have missed the boat on indoor trainers with the current stay indoors pandemic but may be available end of the month. Just wondering if these are still the best bang for buck/minimum quality you'd want or is there a tacx Neo equivalent (The new Neo2 looks great but $2k.
Assume Only extra accessories you need are the cassette, matt, perhaps the desktop station. I've got a defy thru axel with 11-28 or campy 10sp 12-27 (but already have a spare/old 12-25. Want something quiet for apartment use Thanks!
Is a front wheel block necessary for stability or for a other reason
I just got a refurb model and I don't have the tool to attach the cassette - is there a way around this or do I have to take it to a bike shop to tighten it?
Yeah, the tool is important. Something like this will be ideal: amzn.to/3cC4d6D
These reviews are greatly appreciated. What is the consequence of the Kickr Core Power reading "overshoot" during a sprint? Of what value is Kickr climb besides changing the angle of your torso while riding? Your voice cadence at times is a bit fast for my understanding for certain phrases. At 5:27, I could not make out what you said. Something about the ratcheting...?
The "consequence" is "free watts" in what may well be a determining points in Zwift racing. Those extra watts are huge if you are attempting to hold on to or establish breaks. It is effectively "cheating" as the power reported is notably greater than the "true" value when read from a direct force power meter. This may well be addressed via a firmware update. As it stands, people will have another trainer (Hammer is also accused of overshooting in sprints) to question when they get beat in Zwift racing.
If you mainly train and don't race on Zwift, the overall impact is not likely an issue.
It sounds like Zwift should make a standardized power meter for all Zwift users so those that are competiting with others, will feel there is level playing field.
Chad answered the power one. Kickr Climb value.... highly debated. I won't go into it, it's more immersive for hills. Discussed a bit on my livestreams. Voice cadence. The Lama CORE doesn't ship with a cadence sensor. I'll install 3rd party one. :)
Re: standardized power:
Meh, racing in Zwift should be seen for what it is... a fun way to enjoy riding indoors... with the added benefit of chasing wheels for more motivation, like riding outside.
Power variability is one of may ways that "balanced competition" will be hampered. There are numerous ways to cheat (on purpose) or have inaccurate data (accidental) and will impact the race results. The vast majority of racing is fun with only ego on the line. So people should keep that in mind and just have fun being able to compete with people 24 hours a day with thousands of people from around the globe.
Those fortunate few that actually compete for money on Zwift generally do so on matched equipment, in a shared group setting, that aims to keep the playing field level.
Outside of that, I see the overemphasis on racing and the related results as silly. But different strokes...
Hello Shane, i want to buy a new trainer but doubting between kickr core, wahoo neo 2 smart and flux 2. What would be your reommendations? I tried to find out with reveiws but cant find what is the best
I'd choose in this order: Core, Neo 2, Flux 2.
Shane, could you comment if you can tell a difference in the road-feel/inertia between the Core vs the 2018 Kickr or are they nearer-makes-no-difference? Your inertia video (THANKS) and some experimentation has helped me finally figure out a knee pain was due to my low-inertia Tacx Vortex at high watts/resistance, and so i'm looking to upgrade to something with less of that sticky-pedal mud-pulling sensation.
I couldn't pick the difference 'by feel'. I'll need to swap them around in the same session to really know. It might, but not a lot.
Thanks for the info and great videos!
What’s the difference between the Kickr and Kickr Core?
Do I need to buy a Casette for the Kickr Core or do I use the one on my bike?
If I want to use an app like ifit sometimes can I still ride my bike if the app isn’t controlling my bike?
Any compatible apps that mimic riding in another country, not on the road/racing?
I’m a little intimated about putting this together! Do I need any special tools?
Lots of questions here. The best thing to do would be to drop into a bike store who sells Wahoo to have a chat to them about all of the above.
Shane, what specific belt is on this unit? Same as the older units? My Kickr2 belt is a Gates Power Grip GT 5M 170T 15. I think Gates has "updated/upgraded(?) this with the Gates Power Grip HTD; part number 850 5M 15. This is what I just replaced my belt with. Didn't notice any difference, though my unit never seems to make as much noise as what I see in online videos. Just curious if this is what they are shipping with new units. BTW; belt is 15mm wide with 170 teeth at a pitch of 5mm which makes the length 850mm. You can see the relation to the part numbers and these specs...
I'll have to look at Interbike. I'm not near a CORE at the moment. It's not the same belt as the grooves are 90deg/Vertical.
Could you please advise if the Kickr 2018 has a similar offset to the right as Kickr Core (5:43 on the recording?) Many thanks.
Nope.
thanks
Brilliant videos Shane. Question: Can you connect a Wahoo Kickr Core to the Tacs trainer desktop sofrware if you want to use their HD location riding films as a change from Zwift? Looking at with the Kickr Core (899 euro) or the reduced Neo 1 (1025 euro) .... hmmm any advice. The Neo 1 still looks like a solid machine?
I don't believe the Tacx Desktop App is compatible with non Tacx trainers at this point in time. Tacx Support will be able to confirm this.
Great review Shane. In the process of replacing a Kickr Snap. Would you pick Core or Direto XR? Can’t find any V4s near me
It’s a case of whatever you can find at the moment.
It's seems more natural and silent then the tacx neo 2t do you agree?
thinking about upgrading to a direct driver type. Are the tacx neo bits like road/cobble feel worth the incremental dollars? I think that is the main difference right? accuracy is 1% better?
Road surface feel is interesting, not essential.
Hey Shane, thanks for all the content and congratulations on the little one. Bit of a local advocate for Zwift here and so far I've been riding a old dumb trainer which has done me well in our wet winters, autumns, springs and well it's wet in summer too. I recently borrowed a Tacx Bushido and my eyes were opened to the world of Smart trainers and now in place to replace it but my question is... What is the benefit of a direct drive turbo like the Neo 2 or Kickr Core compared to a wheel driven one like the Kickr Snap or Bushido. Thanks.
Hi Shane. You say the Core is compatible with all bikes. Does that include 10 speed Campag? I know the original Kickr had a adaptor, but since the 11speed groupsets have been released this is no longer compatible with the current crop of Kickr’s. If the core isn’t compatible with ‘all’ bikes which direct drive trainer would you recommend with a 10speed Campagnolo set up? Keep up the great reviews! Thanks.
Sorry, it should have been 'all current bikes'. Drop Wahoo support a query about compatibility.
Nice review, I like the addition of the gold stickers. Since there is no carrying handle I'm interested to know how transportable the unit is and also how much space the Core needs when it is put away.
It's a little awkward to move. Not as easy as a Kickr with the handle. Space wise..... it folds and stands to about 1/3 of the space length wise. I'd need to measure it for a specific answer.
Can you tell a bit more about "road feel"? For example in comparison with Neo, Hammer 1 or Drivo 1 (basically all 4 trainers are within 200eur now). We can see differences in accuracy, size, noise etc but are there some noticable differences betwen these trainers if realistic feel was the only criteria? Or are differences small/subjective?
'Realistic feel' is the LeMond Revolution. The Kickr flywheel can't be 'tricked' by massive changes in torque. The Neo feels a little lighter/empty in regards to inertia under different conditions. When I can quantify this I will. For now, test ride each if you can.
What do you think is more accurate? The cadence reported by the trainer or a Garmin 2 cadence sensor? Can you override the trainer with dedicated sensor?
It depends on your pedal stroke. The cadence from the CORE (with the updated firmware) is fine for me. Using a dedicated cadence sensor is possible.
great video Shane... so Kickr Core vs JetBlack Volt, which one will you choose? regarding power accuracy, ride feel, durability and stability? thank you
Core.
@@gplama thanks for the quick response Shane.. also do you have any idea of incoming new gen for Kickr Core? Kickr Core v2 maybe? Just like the Kikcr just got new gen
@@budikuesal7722 I'll cover anything on here in a new video if/when products are released.
Shane, love your videos! I recently bought a Kickr Core and some Assioma Duo pedals and noticed this little Assioma graphic you had on your Zwift screen at 7:28 during your sprint. Can you tell me what that is and or how you did that?
That was an overlay inserted from Garmin Virb Edit.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks, I had never seen that graphic and wondered where it came from.
Hi Shane. Thanks so much for being a beacon in the sea of options out there. As someone who has to breakdown/put away his trainer after each use, will the Core remain accurate in its power readings when i take it out again, or do I have to recalibrate each time I set the trainer back up? Trying to find an easy solution that won't require daily recalibrating (any other models that are better?) Thanks!
It shouldn't need a spindown each time. Maybe every few weeks.
is the brake spacer included with it? I could not find it when I opened the new kickr core box.. or maybe I misplaced it somewhere ? ;(
Should be in the same baggy as the axle adapters and 10spd spacer.
Shane Miller - GPLama.. l’ve lost it then 😆... thanks for responding though !
What's the current situation as of now (July 2020) both the Kickr Core and Tacx Flux 2 are the same price in the UK, which is the better option?
Core
@@gplama Nice one Shane, thanks for the reply.
New to smart bike training. What app are you using in this demo? What do I need to buy with Kickr Core besides the cassette? Do i need the Cadence and Speed sensors? What else do I need to buy?
Zwift. Cassette + install tools for the cassette. No cadence or speed sensors needed, the Core now does both.
@@gplama Awesome. I placed an order for the reconditioned Kickr, was only $100 more than Kickr Core, seemed worthwhile. Thank you.
Why don’t they give you something to hold the front wheel or is that not needed?
Hi, I have a question. Why zwift has a big lag in reporting the speed. Most of the time I am going to 25-28mph and it says 4mph. Is there a way I can fix it? thank you
Zwift speed is based on power. Speed of the flywheel/trainer isn't factored into the in-game speed calculations.
Shane Miller - GPLama thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. Is there something I should do to make this experience more real? Because I see the power on zwift and it seems correct but not the speed. Thank you
@@leecurcio6132 One for Zwift Support
Do you think you could level the trainer by loosening the bolts and tightening them back up where you want to use the Kickr Core?
Maybe. I'm sure there are a few ways to get creative if you live on an angle :)
The Kickr has rear wheel sizing adjustability via the height adjustment knob. For the Kickr Core, is there any height adjustability similar to the Kickr or is a front wheel block required?
No adjustability on the CORE. No riser required. Personal preference if you want to use one or not.
@@gplama Thanks Shane. Do you know what wheel size the CORE is set up for?
700c. Anything should fit. Check with Wahoo or your local bike shop if you need to be 101% sure.
With the tacx neo 1 being avalible for $1499 is the kickr core still a good buy or should I stretch my budget a bit further and get the neo 1
Your call for what suits your bike/budget/etc. Can't go too far wrong either way.
is coasting loud? suppose to be a quiet trainer but free wheeling sounds pretty loud?
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So the 12x142 thru axle is not included and has to be bought separately like the cassette.
If you have a thru-axle bike, it has a thru-axle. That's the one you use.
So your bike didnt need any indexing? I worry about the fact that I will need to adjust the indexing every time i put the bike back on the trainer and vice versa
No. All lines up. There’s shims if you need to align two different ‘hubs’.
Would you know if Giant OCR c3 10 speed bike would be compatible with kickr core?
The CORE comes with a Shimano HG freehub which will take 9 through 11 speed cassettes.
Does the sensor in the pedals count that the pedals can be lifted with the foot? When you lift the pedal with your foot, the sensor probably does not count. If you lift one pedal with 100W, and press the other pedal with 600W, the sensor in the pedal probably only receives the watts that come from the pressure on it, i.e. 600W, ain't it? The direct drive trainer measures the power from the rear crank, so it will definitely show the total watts. I'm not wrong?
That's assuming the gauges only register in one direction. That's not the case in my experience. As for how they calculate total power based on what I'd call negative forces on the upstroke, that's an interesting question. One I don't have a quick answer to.
Hello Shane! I bought Kickr Core 2 days ago. I also did a spin down (in Wahoo Fitness App). I use Zwift app, but I am not sure if my device is well calibrated (because of power). Is it necessary to do also a spin down in Zwift? If yes, my zwift do not recognise speed at spin down test (I always have 0 km/h). Can you please help me? Thank you very much! Cheers from Slovakia!
One spindown is enough.
Great review Shane, would you consider the over shot a deal breaker?, I am hoping to buy this trainer!
Shane i really need some help.
Got the kickr core . Have garmin hr and cadence. pairing fone in wahoos fitness app. Wanted to use zwift you make that look fun. I dont get hr and cadence on zwift. Using my android. What am u doing wrong.
David
One for Zwift Support. That version is still in beta.
Any theories as to why they decided to put a smaller fly wheel on the Core vs the Kickr? With that being asked, could the overshoots simply be due to someone uploading the wrong firmware or getting lazy and using the same firmware for both the Core and Kickr?
Shipping costs? A differentiator? No idea. I don't suspect it'd be duplicated firmware. I'd be similar no doubt.
Been waiting for this :)
Do you expect a new kickr core coming soon, since we got a new kickr generation recently? Of is it «safe» to buy this edition today?
Nope. Don’t miss out on good training and more fun by waiting.