because someone in the future will always do a worse job of cheating than the previous one. just look at the recent blindfolded run cheater that he covered. she is literally the worst at it it's hilarious lmao.
Some trivia: Since returning to the community mid-late 23, He has since redeemed himself. reclaiming some accomplishments He had faked in the past, and getting new accomplishments, including: a technical Full Combo of the song Hellidox just a few hours ago. A Sped up and more Brutal version of the song Epidox. a -9 on Drunken 2 (Playable) a chart that can be seen as the next top accomplishment on Clone Hero. Topping even Megalodon, that 20 minute song with 13k notes, which was FC'ed by an outed Nonce. a -16 on the Expert Difficulty chart for a song called Spacerace, among other things as time went on.
Some notable differences between CH and original GH is that chart complexity and average difficulty is a lot higher in general on CH. Outside of original GH charts that got ported over, basically every song is charted with the assumption you can at least play on hard on original GH. Easy and Medium charts often use all five notes and will easily contain double the notes an original GH song would on Easy or Medium. Hard difficulty on CH is often comparable to Expert on original GH. While CH has a ton of QOL features taken from GH and RB plus more the charting community definitely assumes youre already a semi-skilled player.
Well yeah cause its no longer really devs making for average people across a wide variety of skill levels, but by the community for the hardcore ones that stuck around. There are still "full difficulty" setlists which you can find labeled as such on places like Custom Songs Central, but yeah commonly what will happen for particularly hard charts is the "normal" chart is on expert, meaning the one most people will probably play cause as you said its assumed that the average skill of the community is quite high (which tbh it is), then there will be "unnerfed" versions on hard or whatever other difficulty (I think there are quite a few examples of this in the Bitcrusher setlists), so counterintuitively the harder charts are on the lower difficulty. But yeah tbh unless its specifically for a setlist most charters I know don't even bother charting the lower difficulties. Don't want this to intimidate people though if they wanted to try it out, like I said there are for sure setlists with a decent amount of songs in full difficulty you just have to look around a little. Another thing which even allows for some of the stuff here in the video is the fact you can uncap framerate, and since historically the amount of notes you can hit was tied to the framerate it made certain things, especially some custom charts, literally impossible. A good example of this is that Trogdor on GH2 in North America was quite literally not possible as it had a strumming section that had higher notes per second than the frame rate allowed, so even if you could strum fast enough, which tbh a lot of people can, you genuinely can not FC it, however on the PAL version it was pretty easily FCable. Uncapping the framerate, along with the discovery of a hardware malfunction in some models of controllers opened the door to "rake strumming" which allowed you, if you flick the strum bar in a certain way, to essentially get 2 notes per strum, which has allowed people to hit strumming sections that probably wouldn't be possible without it (this is what Jared is doing at 7:09). Honestly just so much has changed as you could probably imagine if you dropped it after GH3 and are just being exposed again now, like I could keep going with other techniques and things people have discovered/accomplished, truly the skill in the community is wild lol.
@@AnthraxGH I know, I'm just letting newer people know who might be casually picking up CH like I did because I loved the GH series but wasn't as good as Acai or JasonParadise or RandyLadyMan. I had to figure out myself that the charting community was much more comprehensive, nobody told me the charts were on average more difficult or complex and as someone who could play on Hard and Expert on original GH it literally made me feel like a beginner again which can turn some people away if they don't have a heads up about it.
@@TwoGunToast I just wanted to add on cause obviously I'm pretty passionate about it myself lol, just think there's tons to share, but yeah was just talking generally didn't think you were ill-informed or anything haha. But yeah honestly what really helped bring back my drive for the game was Scorespy but obviously that's gone up in flames so now I'm honestly waiting for Yarg to release leaderboards, cause unfortunately it seems like the CH dev has next to 0 interest in actually updating the game, I'm not like super great or anything but having the leaderboards was super motivating like back when I used to play GH3 ranked.
The difficulty on the older games largely stemmed from how responsive the controllers were, which gets worse each game back you go. I couldn't believe how forgiving the timing windows were on GH3 when that first came out. GH2 was also much better than GH1. CH is even more forgiving than GH3.
If you were one of the best, if not the best in the world, and you start cheating, it really comes down to a few reasons. One of them being the fact that you just simply are starting to lose your touch, but really don't want anyone to know about it. The last thing it could be is laziness after all the success, would just be one of the dumbest reasons out there for a pro to cheat.
When Guitar Hero World Tour came out on PC, there was a number of cheats that plagued the online verses mode, the trainer everyone uses had many types of cheats from auto-strumming and auto-notes, a lot of the good ones had random misses. If I remember correctly the best way catch these people was to play songs with notes in a forced half position which you couldn't play without either missing that note or the one after due to the input lag of the controller and only a cheat could hit both notes.
Still wondering why he doesn't make a video about Tetris.... It's been since January when these crazy new records were coming in and BlueScuti became literally the first person in history to crash the game with normal play. Tetris is one if the most popular and well known games of all time and Karl is THE man when it comes to covering videogame records and speedrunning stuff on TH-cam...
There’s just no way to know if someone is cheating. Let’s say it’s only 100% speed. You could use cheat engine to slow the game down to 50% and then speed it up in post to 100% and it would look normal. So even the ones that look legit may not be. But yeah this guy is blatant.
watching the clips where the notes disappear before hitting the bottom is really annoying me. And the continues notes that doesn't require strumming is usually all with a white center, but so many clips without white centers are being pressed without strumming. What's up with that?
@@Lil_Paulie playing on more than 100% is just insane and people need help if they think it’s fun playing it like that cuz it’s not. It just becomes a gimmick imo
I would disagree. The amount of notes some of those songs have is ridiculous compared to the original games. Playing them at a slower scroll speed would be harder, at least imo because the notes are so damn close together it’s hard to make out when things are chords or single notes. I really noticed this playing musynx
We need to see charlie on expert after 10 years its not the same at least its not for me tried going back a couple years ago either im just old or i have arthritis
I’ve been playing guitar since I was 11. I was in my 20s when Guitar Hero came out, and when I tried playing it, I couldn’t get the hang of it - the more I tried it, the more it actually made me WORSE at real guitar haha
I'm on the same boat. I'm not very good at guitar, I'm...proficient? Anyway, I never could get the hang of any of the guitar rhythm games. I never owned any of them, and only had the chance to play once I a while. It always frustrated me.
Hey Charlie, can you please give credit to the creator (in this case Karl) before playing the videos? I'm sure you usually do this, maybe this is an error by someone else.
This isn't his channel, it's a fan channel that reposts his content with some editing. I'm pretty sure he did credit Karl during the livestream, the channel just edited it out and starts the video as he presses play.
Though Charlie does have a right to copystrike channels like this, he does not acknowledge or promote them. He have his own clips channel where proper tagging is included.
You don’t process the notes in real time, you start at a slower speed and memorize the song in chunks, then slowly start to ramp up the speed once you have the song memorized. Like speedrunning in other games, you have to learn the tricks and practice for countless hours as you build the muscle memory and game knowledge, run the route over and over again until it becomes second nature, then you try to put it all together and do it as fast as possible. It’s a similar process with CH, but instead of learning glitches and stuff you’re learning the patterns of the notes and the techniques to play them most efficiently. And instead of learning, memorizing, and practicing routes, you’re learning, memorizing, and practicing chunks of songs. Once you have it all memorized and you’ve learned the patterns and techniques to play them, then you increase the speed and practice it until you can clear it. Then you increase the speed again, and again, and so on.
This happened like 2 years ago, or longer. The community largely seems to have forgiven him by this point, he quit the scene for a long time and came back.
@@jamineamina5429 There are songs that are almost impossible to play on CH. Then there are songs that are insanely hard on real guitar. I don't think it's fair to say one is harder than the other. They're both incredibly difficult. The point about guitar hero being harder than actual guitar relates to the way things are charted. For example, a Bar Chord on guitar is NOT hard. But you can't do bar chords on CH, so we end up with 3 or 4 note chords instead. I ASSURE YOU, bar chords on a real guitar are easier to fret than 3 or 4 note chords on a plastic guitar.
@@Lil_Paulie eh. speed in muscle memory across 5 buttons cant compare to the nuance of real guitar. the inputs on GH are essentially binary, theres a thousand ways to play one note on a string, not even considering pedals. its easier to understand the difficulty of GH. its immediately tangible, and graded on a screen. on a real guitar, you dont as easily notice when you hear a string skip sweeping arpeggio with a pinch or touch harmonic in between... it just sounds cool and you move on with your listening.
@@jamineamina5429 And fretting 20 nps quints is easy, right? They're both incredibly difficult. I can play a lot of songs on guitar, but there's a lot I can't do on CH. Weird, I guess it's because guitar is so much harder. I mean, there's NO WAY that both could just be really hard and it's not a contest...
@@mrwubs._ I'm lame for sure, but do you know what else one could do in the time it'd take to develop the muscle memory involved? Learn the actual guitar.
@@GrinninPig nobody cares about the real guitar. its like saying you are lame for playing elden ring. just go learn the actual sword. its a rhythm game. its almost entirely detached from the actual guitar besides the controller. leave it to clowns to act like clowns though. its giving "kids these days".
@@GrinninPigbrother your opinion is actual trash. "Why play FPS? Go shoot a real gun." "Why play racing games? Go drive a real car." "Why watch an action movie? Go enlist in the army." You are one of those "I have an opinion that is so different from the norm haha I'm so quirky" types, aren't you? All it did was make you seem a bit restarted.
NOBODY LIKES A CHEATER, BUT EVERYBODY HATES A FRAUD.... PLAYING GUITAR HERO DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO REAL GUITAR...NOW WE HAVE ROCKSMITH, WHICH IS GUITAR HERO FOR REAL GUITARS...
Karl Jobst anytime anyone cheats “this is the worst cheating I’ve ever seen.”
The worst cheating you've ever seen...SO FAR!
dudes playing YT correctly then.
Karl is a businessman, he plays the game well.
because someone in the future will always do a worse job of cheating than the previous one. just look at the recent blindfolded run cheater that he covered. she is literally the worst at it it's hilarious lmao.
Some trivia:
Since returning to the community mid-late 23, He has since redeemed himself. reclaiming some accomplishments He had faked in the past, and getting new accomplishments, including:
a technical Full Combo of the song Hellidox just a few hours ago. A Sped up and more Brutal version of the song Epidox.
a -9 on Drunken 2 (Playable) a chart that can be seen as the next top accomplishment on Clone Hero.
Topping even Megalodon, that 20 minute song with 13k notes, which was FC'ed by an outed Nonce.
a -16 on the Expert Difficulty chart for a song called Spacerace, among other things as time went on.
20:02 the "as far as im aware" straight tells you everything is sus 😂😂😂
yep absolutely. It should be unequivocal.
Imagine "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" song but they are dueling with plastic instruments.
He's T-shirt moves like a flag on one of those timelaps shots.
At 12:10 Karl says "play" when he meant to say "pay".
Thanks for the insight, chief.
@@TheDaveBloom Just doing my part, soldier.
Some notable differences between CH and original GH is that chart complexity and average difficulty is a lot higher in general on CH. Outside of original GH charts that got ported over, basically every song is charted with the assumption you can at least play on hard on original GH. Easy and Medium charts often use all five notes and will easily contain double the notes an original GH song would on Easy or Medium. Hard difficulty on CH is often comparable to Expert on original GH. While CH has a ton of QOL features taken from GH and RB plus more the charting community definitely assumes youre already a semi-skilled player.
Well yeah cause its no longer really devs making for average people across a wide variety of skill levels, but by the community for the hardcore ones that stuck around. There are still "full difficulty" setlists which you can find labeled as such on places like Custom Songs Central, but yeah commonly what will happen for particularly hard charts is the "normal" chart is on expert, meaning the one most people will probably play cause as you said its assumed that the average skill of the community is quite high (which tbh it is), then there will be "unnerfed" versions on hard or whatever other difficulty (I think there are quite a few examples of this in the Bitcrusher setlists), so counterintuitively the harder charts are on the lower difficulty. But yeah tbh unless its specifically for a setlist most charters I know don't even bother charting the lower difficulties. Don't want this to intimidate people though if they wanted to try it out, like I said there are for sure setlists with a decent amount of songs in full difficulty you just have to look around a little.
Another thing which even allows for some of the stuff here in the video is the fact you can uncap framerate, and since historically the amount of notes you can hit was tied to the framerate it made certain things, especially some custom charts, literally impossible. A good example of this is that Trogdor on GH2 in North America was quite literally not possible as it had a strumming section that had higher notes per second than the frame rate allowed, so even if you could strum fast enough, which tbh a lot of people can, you genuinely can not FC it, however on the PAL version it was pretty easily FCable. Uncapping the framerate, along with the discovery of a hardware malfunction in some models of controllers opened the door to "rake strumming" which allowed you, if you flick the strum bar in a certain way, to essentially get 2 notes per strum, which has allowed people to hit strumming sections that probably wouldn't be possible without it (this is what Jared is doing at 7:09).
Honestly just so much has changed as you could probably imagine if you dropped it after GH3 and are just being exposed again now, like I could keep going with other techniques and things people have discovered/accomplished, truly the skill in the community is wild lol.
@@AnthraxGH I know, I'm just letting newer people know who might be casually picking up CH like I did because I loved the GH series but wasn't as good as Acai or JasonParadise or RandyLadyMan. I had to figure out myself that the charting community was much more comprehensive, nobody told me the charts were on average more difficult or complex and as someone who could play on Hard and Expert on original GH it literally made me feel like a beginner again which can turn some people away if they don't have a heads up about it.
@@AnthraxGH I've been around since the Frets On Fire days and CH changed everything. Honestly amazing.
@@TwoGunToast I just wanted to add on cause obviously I'm pretty passionate about it myself lol, just think there's tons to share, but yeah was just talking generally didn't think you were ill-informed or anything haha. But yeah honestly what really helped bring back my drive for the game was Scorespy but obviously that's gone up in flames so now I'm honestly waiting for Yarg to release leaderboards, cause unfortunately it seems like the CH dev has next to 0 interest in actually updating the game, I'm not like super great or anything but having the leaderboards was super motivating like back when I used to play GH3 ranked.
The difficulty on the older games largely stemmed from how responsive the controllers were, which gets worse each game back you go. I couldn't believe how forgiving the timing windows were on GH3 when that first came out. GH2 was also much better than GH1. CH is even more forgiving than GH3.
If you were one of the best, if not the best in the world, and you start cheating, it really comes down to a few reasons.
One of them being the fact that you just simply are starting to lose your touch, but really don't want anyone to know about it.
The last thing it could be is laziness after all the success, would just be one of the dumbest reasons out there for a pro to cheat.
Schmooey is actually very slowly being accepted back into the community and it’s very cool to see
That’s a genuine love to the game
Did he do anything??
Yea he cheated did you watch the video? He cheated and now since he returned has been legit anf hes pretty good@acryaa7587
@@acryaa7587 not sure if he’s doing anything on his own but I’ve seen him collab with carnyjarad quite a few times
@@acryaa7587 He cheated and claimed titles via edited videos.
When Guitar Hero World Tour came out on PC, there was a number of cheats that plagued the online verses mode, the trainer everyone uses had many types of cheats from auto-strumming and auto-notes, a lot of the good ones had random misses. If I remember correctly the best way catch these people was to play songs with notes in a forced half position which you couldn't play without either missing that note or the one after due to the input lag of the controller and only a cheat could hit both notes.
not the best player is likely to cheat, but the second best ;) also once its about money all morals go away...i think the bountys truly corrupted him
If u listen, you can hear the mass effect soundtrack when u pull the galaxy map up.
That was in guitar hero world tour that started open strums
I also spilled my drink on me literally about a second and a half before you spilled your water on yourself 😂 DAAAMN YOUUU SCHMOOEYYY
Schmooey has re-done a lot of these legitimetely these days
So?
@@darknight602 So?
So its showing that he feels sorry for cheating and is redoing these legit.
That bar is open open strum yeah, originally it was only on bass not guitar.
As soon as money is involved people are going to try to cheat
He's holding down yellow and it's counting it
Still wondering why he doesn't make a video about Tetris....
It's been since January when these crazy new records were coming in and BlueScuti became literally the first person in history to crash the game with normal play.
Tetris is one if the most popular and well known games of all time and Karl is THE man when it comes to covering videogame records and speedrunning stuff on TH-cam...
There’s just no way to know if someone is cheating. Let’s say it’s only 100% speed. You could use cheat engine to slow the game down to 50% and then speed it up in post to 100% and it would look normal.
So even the ones that look legit may not be. But yeah this guy is blatant.
My carpal tunnel hurts watching this. Even though I already fixes with surgery haha
I have not played guitar hero in 8 years and I can still play closer by Luna coil on expert without even looking at the TV
It's fun to occassionally come back to it and see if you still slap
Coming up: Charlie says nothing and talks to chat. What is that intro?
watching the clips where the notes disappear before hitting the bottom is really annoying me. And the continues notes that doesn't require strumming is usually all with a white center, but so many clips without white centers are being pressed without strumming. What's up with that?
do you notice how his mouse all the sudden moves during the video?
His most notable song was “Don’t has AIDS”?? Never heard it 🤷♂️
He is the flash it's obvious why can't anyone see
watch the original and some random dude won't be talking over it the whole time
That's the first way to cheat I thought of. Not a good sign.😅
There is no looking at screen, your playing by feel at that point,
Upping the speed makes it much easier to play
I meant the scrolling speed😅
@@PoGoFoShoDoe lmao
@@Lil_Paulie playing on more than 100% is just insane and people need help if they think it’s fun playing it like that cuz it’s not. It just becomes a gimmick imo
I would disagree. The amount of notes some of those songs have is ridiculous compared to the original games. Playing them at a slower scroll speed would be harder, at least imo because the notes are so damn close together it’s hard to make out when things are chords or single notes. I really noticed this playing musynx
@@PoGoFoShoDoepeople have different tastes
We need to see charlie on expert after 10 years its not the same at least its not for me tried going back a couple years ago either im just old or i have arthritis
He'll need to find a working guitar controller first.
I’ve been playing guitar since I was 11. I was in my 20s when Guitar Hero came out, and when I tried playing it, I couldn’t get the hang of it - the more I tried it, the more it actually made me WORSE at real guitar haha
I'm on the same boat. I'm not very good at guitar, I'm...proficient? Anyway, I never could get the hang of any of the guitar rhythm games. I never owned any of them, and only had the chance to play once I a while. It always frustrated me.
Did he get raided by Softwilly in this live??? Softwilly? The Group?
Anyone else wacthing this on TH-cam music? Lol
Hey Charlie, can you please give credit to the creator (in this case Karl) before playing the videos? I'm sure you usually do this, maybe this is an error by someone else.
This isn't his channel, it's a fan channel that reposts his content with some editing. I'm pretty sure he did credit Karl during the livestream, the channel just edited it out and starts the video as he presses play.
Though Charlie does have a right to copystrike channels like this, he does not acknowledge or promote them. He have his own clips channel where proper tagging is included.
6:05 says guitar has 6 strings shows 8 string guitar
He farted.
Cheater or not he handled his ousting well. Actually gained some respect for him.
Can we please stop flipping the video?
That’s this channels idea of editing or transforming the content. Pretty pathetic.
I mean it doesn't take a genius to know that's not humanly possible. The brain can't even process that quickly, lol.
It is possible but it's not about processing the note of the screen
@@Stahe evidently you haven’t seen top rhythm game players before most of schmooeys shit was not suspicious
You don’t process the notes in real time, you start at a slower speed and memorize the song in chunks, then slowly start to ramp up the speed once you have the song memorized.
Like speedrunning in other games, you have to learn the tricks and practice for countless hours as you build the muscle memory and game knowledge, run the route over and over again until it becomes second nature, then you try to put it all together and do it as fast as possible. It’s a similar process with CH, but instead of learning glitches and stuff you’re learning the patterns of the notes and the techniques to play them most efficiently. And instead of learning, memorizing, and practicing routes, you’re learning, memorizing, and practicing chunks of songs. Once you have it all memorized and you’ve learned the patterns and techniques to play them, then you increase the speed and practice it until you can clear it. Then you increase the speed again, and again, and so on.
back at the reaction videos??? 🤔🤨🙄😐😒
Once a cheater always a cheater.
This happened like 2 years ago, or longer. The community largely seems to have forgiven him by this point, he quit the scene for a long time and came back.
what an echo chamber viewpoint
@@iluvtacoz123 probably because it's true 🤷🏾♂️
@@dezmain people can change dude
That voice tho. I can’t listen to him for long. Australian robot he sounds like
If these guitar hero lads picked up a real el guitar instead, most of em would probably be the best guitarists in the world by now 😂
I remember playing the game. It was awesome fun but playing on hard was nothing like playing the guitar. Medium is the best representation.
Reaction content is the bottom of the barrel content. Hey let's talk over another person's actual hard work video.
people that say guitar hero is harder to play than real guitar just no, absolutely not. come on now
They are different skills entirely, I honestly think besides finger coordination and memorization, there really isn't any similarity.
@@rileyhamilton5023 and real guitar is objectively way fking harder. theyre different but you can compare them, very simply
@@jamineamina5429 There are songs that are almost impossible to play on CH. Then there are songs that are insanely hard on real guitar. I don't think it's fair to say one is harder than the other. They're both incredibly difficult.
The point about guitar hero being harder than actual guitar relates to the way things are charted. For example, a Bar Chord on guitar is NOT hard. But you can't do bar chords on CH, so we end up with 3 or 4 note chords instead. I ASSURE YOU, bar chords on a real guitar are easier to fret than 3 or 4 note chords on a plastic guitar.
@@Lil_Paulie eh. speed in muscle memory across 5 buttons cant compare to the nuance of real guitar. the inputs on GH are essentially binary, theres a thousand ways to play one note on a string, not even considering pedals.
its easier to understand the difficulty of GH. its immediately tangible, and graded on a screen. on a real guitar, you dont as easily notice when you hear a string skip sweeping arpeggio with a pinch or touch harmonic in between... it just sounds cool and you move on with your listening.
@@jamineamina5429 And fretting 20 nps quints is easy, right? They're both incredibly difficult. I can play a lot of songs on guitar, but there's a lot I can't do on CH. Weird, I guess it's because guitar is so much harder. I mean, there's NO WAY that both could just be really hard and it's not a contest...
Somehow I find someone cheating at guitar hero less lame than someone training to be the best at it
youre lame then
@@mrwubs._ I'm lame for sure, but do you know what else one could do in the time it'd take to develop the muscle memory involved? Learn the actual guitar.
@@GrinninPigYou act as if they want to learn the actual guitar. Plenty don't.
@@GrinninPig nobody cares about the real guitar. its like saying you are lame for playing elden ring. just go learn the actual sword. its a rhythm game. its almost entirely detached from the actual guitar besides the controller. leave it to clowns to act like clowns though. its giving "kids these days".
@@GrinninPigbrother your opinion is actual trash. "Why play FPS? Go shoot a real gun."
"Why play racing games? Go drive a real car."
"Why watch an action movie? Go enlist in the army."
You are one of those "I have an opinion that is so different from the norm haha I'm so quirky" types, aren't you? All it did was make you seem a bit restarted.
NOBODY LIKES A CHEATER, BUT EVERYBODY HATES A FRAUD.... PLAYING GUITAR HERO DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO REAL GUITAR...NOW WE HAVE ROCKSMITH, WHICH IS GUITAR HERO FOR REAL GUITARS...