Dr Kat Reacts... First Look at "The Spanish Princess" Episode 1

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  • @babablacksheepdog
    @babablacksheepdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    Loved your face when Henry showed up. "He's awfully big for ten!" Lol!

    • @elanespencer3161
      @elanespencer3161 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A new fan from Rochester NY. I’m so pleased to have discovered your channel and I with great interest have listened to all your postings. I look forward to the future and the topics you will cover. I find them all of great interest.

    • @katherinetaylor3807
      @katherinetaylor3807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That was also my reaction XD

    • @lucindawelenc2191
      @lucindawelenc2191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Boys can get a growth spurt about that age. My grandson reached his full size at 11 and started sprouting facial hair. However, unlike this "Prince Henry" he didn't look like he was in his 20s!

    • @rycoli
      @rycoli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha 😂 same!!

    • @jessicalowery3718
      @jessicalowery3718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Age ups happen so often - but I guess the creepy dialog foreshadows his downfall as the popular playboy image

  • @HattiesVlogs
    @HattiesVlogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    "He's awfully big for ten"
    I nearly choked on the maltesers I was eating. Your reaction is priceless.

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Right. I couldn't stop laughing at her facial expressions!

    • @carmenpeters728
      @carmenpeters728 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what is a malteser?

    • @HattiesVlogs
      @HattiesVlogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@carmenpeters728 it's chocolate

    • @shammydammy2610
      @shammydammy2610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@carmenpeters728 Malted milk balls. In the US, they're Whoppers.

  • @Chipoo88
    @Chipoo88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    Both Phillippa Gregory and the makers of the series took artistic license to a whole new level. It gets worse as you go along. I feel there has been a total assassination on the character Catherine of Aragon, depicting her as a cold disinterested mother, as well as deceptive and calculating

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I didn't like that part but I did enjoy their choice in casting Katherine and showing her strength and determination.

    • @Dawnsdelightsart
      @Dawnsdelightsart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I thought of all the portrayals of Catherine of Aragon this was the kindest towards her. She's usually portrayed as a quiet religious woman, no passion, no feelings. This portrayal gives practical emotions when you're married to a narcissistic womanizer demanding a son.

    • @morriganmoonglow2712
      @morriganmoonglow2712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haven't seen the series, but I didn't feel the author made Katherine as a bad person.

    • @taryngoulard4987
      @taryngoulard4987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I don’t think she was disinterested. Women, particularly royal women, were under great pressure to have babies. Particularly boys. If her body didn’t/couldn’t do that, she was broken and unworthy. I saw it as Catherine was hurting due to that pressure and mourning the multiple stillborns and miscarriages. Doubled with Henry seeking company in other women. In the end, she has redemption and turns her whole heart to her daughter showing her strength in another way.

    • @tracys169
      @tracys169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Dawnsdelightsart I agree. Also it showed Catherine as a young woman with strength, and somewhat smarts, rather than just the old-unattractive older wife of Henry.

  • @theShamrockShepherdWagon
    @theShamrockShepherdWagon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    There should be a disclaimer in large lettering at the start of every episode or movie, regarding dramatic license and actual history. It's one of my biggest pet peeves, because virtually EVERYONE seeing these dramatizations think it's all real history and you cannot then change their minds. The impression is set.

    • @gigiw.7650
      @gigiw.7650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Sue Moore
      Some people are so clueless, it won't help!

    • @lexomil1414
      @lexomil1414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I so agree with you. Fiction can be enjoyable, but it remains fiction. at least they are honest enough to write it at the end. not like other shows.

    • @vbrewer5195
      @vbrewer5195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      no, not virtually EVERYONE who sees these series takes them for historical fact. Most realize it is entertainment and enjoy it as such.

    • @user-kt4cg2fn7l
      @user-kt4cg2fn7l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's on the viewer. These aren't documentaries.

    • @lexomil1414
      @lexomil1414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@user-kt4cg2fn7l Of course these are not documentaries, but I can tell you that sometimes (quite often alas) my students refer to events seen in series without fact checking and they are not uneducated. They are simply lazy or not interested enough to fact check. I keep repeating 'this is fiction' but....

  • @claudiareadsitall
    @claudiareadsitall 3 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    Emma Frost has done a horrible job with these series. She can't trust the story so she forces Harry to be portrayed as older and poor Arthur with the horrible hair, so you know who you're supposed to root for. Catherine has "girl power" and so does her mom so they don't show the dad and have Catherine be sassy. The real story is so compelling that there is no need for these changes or additions of the drama with the maids that srrive with Catherine. Thank you for your review, as always, I love your videos.

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I thought I was the only person who thought Author's wig was bad lol.

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Men did have horrible hair back then, by modern standards. Fashions change, and what might look ludicrous to us was perfectly normal back then.

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Shan_Dalamani very true.

    • @omfug7148
      @omfug7148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Shan_Dalamani The hair that was portrayed on Arthur was actually historically accurate, they loved what we may refer to as a "bowl cut" then, LOL

    • @beth7935
      @beth7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Shan_Dalamani It's not accurate, tho- the fashion for men at the time was shoulder-length hair without a fringe- check out any portrait of Arthur, or Henry VIII as a VERY young man, ie when he married Catherine of Aragon. Henry VII had the same haircut, but for some reason in an image here they've given him short hair & a beard! So maybe they are trying to make Arthur unappealing- dunno, haven't watched it & won't.

  • @jfs59nj
    @jfs59nj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    MAKE MORE!!! I can’t wait for your reaction to the future public Katherine in Henry’s presence making speeches while he remains in the background. I howled.

  • @ChristophersMum
    @ChristophersMum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    ''He's awfully big for a ten year old''...''and creepy''...laugh, how I laughed...and you did get the creepy bit correct...and yay you have mastered the tech thingy...great video.

  • @korinajordan7819
    @korinajordan7819 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    They probably made Henry a creep because later in life he was a creep and that's how most people know him...? That's my guess, anyway.

    • @sarahwatts7152
      @sarahwatts7152 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Yeah, I would have liked to see what he was like before the brain injury. All accounts I've heard say that he was quite a charmer.

    • @oh_riley7104
      @oh_riley7104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That's how I read it, too. Foreshadowing him becoming a complete monster. Also something you can't as easily do if you depict him as a literal child. At least not if you want your audience to actually like him at any point in time.

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, he does come across as a bit of a creeper.

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@sarahwatts7152 Nah, he was always like that. It just got worse with age and illness, as it does for many. People like to use the head injury as an excuse, but the flags were there from the start.

    • @sarahwatts7152
      @sarahwatts7152 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@--enyo-- Good point. Spoiled prince --> spoiled king

  • @BeauOnTheGo_DC
    @BeauOnTheGo_DC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Dr. Kat, this is SO much more edifying and entertaining that the actual show. I made it through 2 episodes and broke out in anachronistic hives as a result of inaccuracies. Same with the White Princess. You are most gracious in your allowance for historical fiction and I do agree that it can provide a gateway for those not otherwise inclined in learning history. My biggest issue with these type of shows is that the “warning” cards are never large enough on onscreen long enough to impart the fiction message. PLEASE continue to make these. You have plenty of fodder ranging from the simply inaccurate to the truly mad. Have a great weekend!

    • @hogwashmcturnip8930
      @hogwashmcturnip8930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      What annoys me is when you see people quoting the rubbish they have watched as Fact. Apparently Katherine Fought the battle of Flodden whilst 8 months pregnant and actually rescued Henry from the battlefield! That is in this steaming heap of doo doo somewhere seemingly, and it is now appearing all over google as Historically correct.t. If you try to tell the believers, you get abuse. That is my issue with historical 'fiction' If it is Fiction write it as such, do not use actual people, even if you Do use actual events. But then of course, that will affect sales! I find it insidious and as damaging as Fake news. Fake history, purporting to be 'based on truth'

    • @stoker1931jane
      @stoker1931jane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Anachonistic Hives" 👍🏻🤣
      Some people (I'm one of those) break out in those scientifically proven ailments, before the first episode has run it's alloted time. As there is not yet a working antidote for it on the market🙍🏼‍♀️....
      I just stay clear of anything P.G. creates or "inspires"🤦🏼‍♀️✌🏻 .

    • @beth7935
      @beth7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hogwashmcturnip8930 Yes! I almost couldn't believe that'd happen, but the other day someone told me Catherine of Aragon & Prince Arthur must've slept together cos that's what Philippa Gregory wrote :o

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    My great-grandparents were married by proxy; she in the Netherlands, he, also a Netherlander, fighting in the Boer War. It seems like another world, but I’m lucky to have this bit of family history.

    • @pattischult9401
      @pattischult9401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it's fascinating. Thank you for sharing a little about your family with us!

  • @elizabethdibble5159
    @elizabethdibble5159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Oh, yes please! Make more of these. I admit that shows like this (The White Queen, White Princess, etc) I watch pretty much to admire the costumes and sets, and to rip the story to shreds. But getting a professional like yourself weighing in is so wonderful.

  • @delphinidin
    @delphinidin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    (haven't seen the show) I feel like they missed an opportunity here with Henry VII being creepy. There's the part where he insists on seeing her unveiled face, and the bit after Arthur's death when he considers marrying Catherine himself: why didn't they imply that HE wrote the smutty letters?

  • @a.mysticpearl4146
    @a.mysticpearl4146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I so need a Dr Kat video this afternoon! YAY! You're like an antidepressants. Seriously.
    Love from Canada 🇨🇦❤

  • @gothmamasylvia462
    @gothmamasylvia462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    When I saw the look on your face in the thumbnail, I couldn't resist watching it immediately!

    • @SebastianGrimthwayte
      @SebastianGrimthwayte 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! I knew Dr. Kat would have a fabulously candid and well-spoken reaction!

  • @denisenilsson1366
    @denisenilsson1366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    When it comes to historical fiction, I take it with a grain of salt.
    A BIG grain of salt---a Mrs Lot sized grain of salt.

    • @astrea160
      @astrea160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's a Lot of salt.

    • @denisenilsson1366
      @denisenilsson1366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@astrea160 Boo! Hiss! 😂

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      With Phillipa Gregory you have to take it with a box of salt. A grain is way too small.

    • @KristenK78
      @KristenK78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A salt lick.

    • @denisenilsson1366
      @denisenilsson1366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KristenK78 A Mrs Lot sized salt lick!

  • @GoGreen1977
    @GoGreen1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I considered the portrayal of Henry as a young man instead of a 10 year old as a ploy to heighten the romantic tension between Katherine and Henry years before any romantic relationship could develop. It was a way to add drama and throw in more opportunities for romance to lure in and keep interest, especially among young women.

    • @kimberlyjwalke3686
      @kimberlyjwalke3686 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Screammmmmmmm!!!!!!! My point exactly. Why do you assume that women have to have a titillating sex and romance scene to hold their interest?

  • @MsEJMcLaren
    @MsEJMcLaren 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I watched part of this series with my dad while reading on of Alison Weir's wonderful histories about the Tudors. The contrast between the historical evidence and the series ended up being too great for me to enjoy it much. I also tried the White Princess series and couldn't make it through the first episode. The actual history is dramatic enough that I personally don't understand why it needed to be altered so much. Love your reactions to the first episode.

  • @morriganmoonglow2712
    @morriganmoonglow2712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You exactly hit the nail on the head. Historical fiction spawns an interest in real history and serves a HUGE purpose that way. Philippa Gregory is the author who got me into English history years ago, and I'm really glad you did this video on the topic. 😁

    • @jeanettegant4945
      @jeanettegant4945 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Kit, me too. I was always a bit "snooty" about historical fiction, then searching on the bookshelf for something to read that I hadn't read before, I found a couple of Philippa Gregory books and got into it too.

    • @jeanettegant4945
      @jeanettegant4945 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Kit, me too. I was always a bit "snooty" about historical fiction, then searching on the bookshelf for something to read that I hadn't read before, I found a couple of Philippa Gregory books and got into it too.

  • @pessimisticideas3075
    @pessimisticideas3075 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I watched The Spanish Princess when it 1st came out, as well as the 2 miniseries that preceed this one. I must say that I IMMENSELY ENJOYED watching this video of you throwing in your historical wisdom, Dr. Kat! And I would absolutely love for you to continue with these vids. Many Thanks!

    • @jessaquist9401
      @jessaquist9401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did too I wish they made more seasons

  • @conemadam
    @conemadam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Again, a masterful and enjoyable video. I watched and read the Spanish Princess, but honestly I do not expect historical accuracy. (Having said that, Philippa Gregory has led me to want to learn everything about her subjects, especially about the Woodvilles and what the Wars of the Roses really consisted of.) I always keep Rebecca Fraser’s The Story of Britain by my side. Thank you for filling in so many gaps with your expertise!
    One request: Perkin Warbeck!!! Can we have more? Thank you!

  • @tammievawter9477
    @tammievawter9477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    these are fun! As a nurse, I watch Medical shows and scream quite often...and have screamed a few times in historic drama (ahem, Mary Queen of Scots movie)...

    • @loislewis5229
      @loislewis5229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As a Social Worker and a history buff, I also scream at a lot of shows . My friends ignore me 🤪

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That movie was awful. I was so disappointed after waiting so long to watch it.

    • @iriswaterford8881
      @iriswaterford8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I used to enjoy watching police show with my father. He would tell me where it was wrong, also on some homicide show which bits were from true cases mixed up with others. Dr Kat is a breathe of fresh air.

    • @loislewis5229
      @loislewis5229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@iriswaterford8881, my cousin, a former NY police officers loved to watch Law & Order. Quite a testament of that show! 😃

    • @iriswaterford8881
      @iriswaterford8881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@loislewis5229 my Dad was in the police force in Australia. Both grandfathers were as well. Us children went into military & medical.

  • @migueltheauthor7074
    @migueltheauthor7074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Oh my god! I jumped when I saw this notification. I can't wait to finish this video

  • @kathleengray6639
    @kathleengray6639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love your lectures Dr Kat. I have always enjoyed watching histories of Tudor England. The best series I
    EVER watched was the BBC's "The 6 Wives of Henry VIII" filmed in 1969 or 70. First of all the stars looked very much like the portraits of the actual people. Prince Henry was played by Keith Michelle, he was wonderful. I've been spoiled ever since when I watch a Tudor series. Then I came to your channel. You are really very interesting and I look forward to all you have to say

  • @MalloryNicoletti8413
    @MalloryNicoletti8413 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank goodness, I was hoping you'd have some input about this show! So excited to hear your thoughts.

  • @emanovska
    @emanovska 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I feel better now. I tried to get into to this series but I just couldn't. It wandered too far from fact and I kept stopping it and looking things up because I thought I was remembering wrong. It wasn't me.

  • @missydoesyourhair
    @missydoesyourhair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you, Dr. Kat, for your insight. Being an American with British/Scottish heritage, UK history has always been a passion of mine. It’s nice to hear that I wasn’t alone in my questioning of quite a few things in this adaptation of the story. Believe me, it was like an episode of Gogglebox in my house when I watched this. Cheers and thanks again for your insights!

  • @lindaackerman4412
    @lindaackerman4412 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The book is one of my favorites and I'm fully aware of the historical inaccuracies and creative reach that this show took.

  • @NS-vw8pm
    @NS-vw8pm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Every thing you say about this show is spot on, but at least it’s giving poor Catherine of Aragon the spotlight. She is usually portrayed as an old frump, so it is cool to see her as a young beautiful courageous woman for a change. Catherine of Aragon is one of the most tragic figures in English history IMO so it’s nice to see her portrayed this way even if the show is taking some liberties with history

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is a really good point! It is lovely to see Katherine portrayed as emerging into her power. Also, I should also give bonus points for presenting her as a red head. All too often, I think, casting directors see Spanish and think brunette!

  • @maribeld84
    @maribeld84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Thanks for watching so I don't have to! I really enjoyed the White Queen miniseries, but I felt The White Princess jumped the shark... it showed Margaret Beaufort killing Jasper Tudor with her own hands, smuthering him with a pillow. It made me very hesitant to try The Spanish Princess

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait...she went from wanting to be with him ( as it seemed in the White Queen) to killing him? Yikes

    • @jesmondsaunders7746
      @jesmondsaunders7746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I agree! That’s exactly how I feel about Starz and their adaptations of PG’s novels. I figured because their cash cow was turning out to be Outlander, they weren’t putting the effort into this series.

    • @carolelindagonzalez1087
      @carolelindagonzalez1087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh, I had exactly the same experience. I stopped with "The White Princess". I tried watching an episode of "The Spanish Princess", though. It just didn't keep my interest.

    • @colecolettecole
      @colecolettecole 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i agree that the white queen was exceptional & i look forward to watching it again ~ i watched the first few episodes of the white princess & wasnt impressed so never finished it

    • @user-kt4cg2fn7l
      @user-kt4cg2fn7l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why be hesitant? If you know it's all Historical Fiction going in, I don't see an issue. These shows are meant for entertainment purposes only.

  • @summerb5153
    @summerb5153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm currently writing a fantasy book about a royal family and your channel is like treasure! THANK YOU SO MUCH 💕

  • @dkalbryte6774
    @dkalbryte6774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Funny I just reread, for the umpeeth time lol, one of my favourite books: The Six Wives of Henry VIII by A. Fraser. Your reaction of Henry's age 😅. Great video Dr.Kat, I want more of these "reaction" videos.

    • @colonialgal1750
      @colonialgal1750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My second favourite book. Nothing beats Wuthering Heights. 😀

    • @dkalbryte6774
      @dkalbryte6774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@colonialgal1750 never read it but love the Olivier/Oberon film😉

  • @lavillablanca
    @lavillablanca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well done, Dr. Kat!

  • @xosbabymama4703
    @xosbabymama4703 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    the two dislikes are from Emma frost and Mathew Graham💀

  • @SusanCat5098
    @SusanCat5098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I know there are many inaccuracies BUT these series are the reason I became obsessed with Tudor history and am seeking out proper historical information such as your channel! I'd love to see more reaction videos.

  • @annafarmer9334
    @annafarmer9334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's probably not helpful for planning purposes, but honestly I'm happy just to see a video no matter what it is :). A "visit" from Dr Kat always brightens my day!

  • @beagle8boy
    @beagle8boy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Liked this presentation. Marrying the Infanta of a great house to his son was the seal of approval for the Tudor dynasty and her dowry of 100,000 pounds. The difficulty is the years poor Catherine was abandoned by her father (Isabella died) and how she had to live on crumbs for 7 years and in time had to sell off some of her plate to pay her people and feed them. As for Henry being creepy...who knows? He did kill about 80,000 people during his reign, but started off beloved and beautiful to all. Alas he frittered it (the money his father schemed to get) all away in a series of stupid battles that made him Ferdinand's stooge. But we have to expect some silly drama crap for today's audiences. Keep up the good work!

  • @Keely_OReally
    @Keely_OReally 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Dr. Kat, I don't know if you are into video games at all, but due to your field of study, and the videos you post, I think you'd really like Crusader Kings 3. Basically you get to be a ruler in the medieval world, making treaties, alliances with marriages, war, create religion and so much more. I am a huge history nerd and I love CK3 and your amazing videos!

  • @ingagirard9656
    @ingagirard9656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There were many things about the series the Spanish princess that I had problems with, but other things I actually thought were handled pretty interestingly.
    I take historical fiction with a grain of salt and as you have said historical fiction can open up interest in history (which is the case with me).
    Thank you for this very enlightening program and I would enjoy more ❤️

  • @Graciebell0517
    @Graciebell0517 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    LOVED THIS! Do all the episodes!

  • @kirstena4001
    @kirstena4001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This was fun 🙂. I don't think I would want every weekly episode to be like this - I enjoy your other content so much also! - but I would be happy to see more of these sometimes, especially when there is an interesting film or series to dissect.

  • @JH-wd7ul
    @JH-wd7ul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Enjoyed this video immensely! Yes, please please continue!

  • @salomealhusami594
    @salomealhusami594 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh, I love you so much, dear Kat! Thank you very much for your input!

  • @orsino88
    @orsino88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    First problem: based on work by the writer Frock Flicks always calls “Philippa F*cking Gregory.”

    • @stoker1931jane
      @stoker1931jane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👌🏻🤣 Can't think of this, particular "historical"🤦🏼‍♀️, writer anymore without that -middle name- being inserted 😉😅 (fellow "senior" Frock Flicker✊🏻).

    • @orsino88
      @orsino88 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stoker1931jane , I’m way behind on FF reading. But yes.

  • @avalonseer
    @avalonseer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one who watches historical shows and has this sort of commentary running in my head, but I also love historical fiction and while I see the problems I can still enjoy the product. I liked this video and would like to see you do more of them in the future.

  • @ffotograffydd
    @ffotograffydd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was interesting to hear your thoughts on this, I’ve just finished watching it, after first watching The White Queen and The White Princess.
    Each episode of each series took me a while to watch as I kept pausing them to fact check. They certainly took a few liberties and time was rather elastic, but over all I enjoyed them and it’s given me a better understanding of how the various relationships came together over that period of history.
    There were a lot of people I’d heard of, but wasn’t sure how they fitted in, now I know. I don’t think historical fiction should be taken too seriously, but it is a great starting point for further research.
    And I’m sure my face looked much like yours when Henry turned up as a fully grown man, I’m sure you were right about the reasons for the choices they made, but I think they probably underestimated the audience by doing what they did.

  • @mj95b
    @mj95b 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    When my son was pursuing his masters degree in history I happened to overhear a conversation he was having with a classmate. They were discussing Henry VIII and the classmate was spouting complete nonsense.
    I inserted myself into the conversation by telling my son that the classmate was obviously a fan of P. Gregory. There was compete silence for a couple of moments before she exploded and tried to justify the "scholastic" research and conclusions that P. Gregory espoused.
    I destroyed her arguments and she angrily disconnected the call. My son refers to the incident as "mom took her down and sent her crying". My work there was complete!

    • @annkelly0072
      @annkelly0072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well done!

    • @colonialgal1750
      @colonialgal1750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Quite scary that a history student would ever think Gregory's books hold any decent historical significance

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As you should have! Lol

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@colonialgal1750 Right. There's more inaccuracies than there are accuracies in her works.

    • @beth7935
      @beth7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@colonialgal1750 I had someone quote Gregory at me as a reference the other day :o I may have gone a bit sarcastic on them :D They weren't a history student tho- that's terrifying!

  • @camsnow2856
    @camsnow2856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My husband can’t watch historical fiction with me because I’m one of those people who goes crazy when they deliberately misrepresent history. The story of the Tudors was exciting, dramatic and diabolical enough without writers mucking it up for the sake of what? It’s upsetting that people watch these programs and movies and believe it happened exactly as it’s being portrayed. I once spent over an hour arguing with someone who adamantly believed Queen Elizabeth and Mary Queen of Scots met because they did in the recent movie Mary Queen of Scots. I had to explain the psychological and diplomatic reasons why Elizabeth, though intrigued by her cousin, wouldn’t have wanted to meet her. As a writer myself, the dynamics of that are much more interesting than making up the fact they met.

    • @hogwashmcturnip8930
      @hogwashmcturnip8930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doesn't it drive you nuts when they quote pieces of dialogue at you as though it was Actually said? I have seen whole loads of he said/she said and she felt/he felt. Tell them it is a TV show and No One knows what was said in private or how people felt and they say 'Oh, but he Did say that. Phillippa Gregory knows!' I usually say something like 'Unless she is a Time travelling voyeur who sneaks into historical people's bedrooms at intimate moments how the hell can she know?' This is why I Hate 'Historical Fiction' So many people nowadays believe whatever they are told or shown and cannot make the distinction between recorded history and some loopy woman's over active imagination. I have no problems at all with fiction set in historical times. as long as they don't claim the characters are 'real people'

    • @camsnow2856
      @camsnow2856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@hogwashmcturnip8930 I was watching a TV interview on today’s journalism that can also be applied to audiences of historical drama. They (today’s journalists) have lost their sense of curiosity. They take what they’re given and run with it rather than properly investigate the story. Of course there are some people who may be interested enough in the Tudors or the Spanish Princess to go read the history/biographies. Unfortunately many, like that gentleman I mentioned in my earlier post, will simply believe Elizabeth and Mary met because it was in a movie. He finally accepted I was right when he googled it and saw for himself they’d never met (probably because he just wanted to shut me up - lol).

    • @hogwashmcturnip8930
      @hogwashmcturnip8930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@camsnow2856 I think it is more sinister than that. Modern journalists actively work, under their 'masters' Murdoch and co, to misinform the public and create situations that are favourable to Them and their patrons. Propaganda in other words. I am sure it went on all the time in the past too.

  • @CharvonR
    @CharvonR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much. I am an American,who knows history! Love your channel.because it drives me nuts with these shows that are not historically correct to put it mildly.

  • @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954
    @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Glad to see I wasn't the only one that thought Henry was creepy.
    Oh, and that "warrior queen" thing bothered me so, so much. I couldn't wait to see your reaction.

  • @elin2967
    @elin2967 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I hope you continue with these types of videos. Can't wait to see your take on Season 2.

  • @Amc933
    @Amc933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Everything looks great!

  • @elizabethfrattallone5231
    @elizabethfrattallone5231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What I meant to say was they made him handsome and older because they wanted a long drawn out love affair between the two to capture the audience if he was 10 years old I don’t see how they would’ve done that

  • @nuclearweiner6941
    @nuclearweiner6941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Love your channel! You’re so interesting to listen to!

  • @lisam5744
    @lisam5744 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    'He's awfully big for ten.' LOL And then we jump to the show The Tudors...Henry wishes he looked that good at 50! Does anyone ever show Henry VIII as he actually looked?

    • @christina1wilson
      @christina1wilson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is an old miniseries from the 70s (I think) that was on Masterpiece Theater. Oddly enough called Henry VIII ;). Henry aging was more accurate than I've seen in most miniseries.

  • @marilyn3021
    @marilyn3021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're great! Love to watch your videos!

  • @pienana2004
    @pienana2004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought this was great, Dr. Kat. I have seen all the episodes of the show, so would thoroughly enjoy having you continue on with your comments on it. Thank you so much for all you do to bring history alive. Blessings from California XXX

  • @dawnfalvey6766
    @dawnfalvey6766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was brilliant. I loved this presentation. Yes please keep doing them. Nothing better than Friday with Dr Kat. ❤️

  • @OcarinaSapphr-
    @OcarinaSapphr- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You gotta love how people who make historically-based dramas act like their audience are idiots - what is wrong with trusting people to understand at least some of what’s going on?
    What’s wrong with trusting the history to *make* the story?
    PS. I’d love you to review ‘Cromwell’ or ‘To Kill a King’

  • @drbuzzard518
    @drbuzzard518 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr Kat. I have to tell you. I truly enjoy your analyses, knowledge and presence in your programs. Truly enjoyable watch.

  • @rebeccalock4900
    @rebeccalock4900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loving your new style of video and I really hope you do The rest of the series xx

  • @tricivenola8164
    @tricivenola8164 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always distrust the accuracy of these sorts of programs, but yes, you're right, they do inspire me to do a bit of research myself, and here you are doing it for me.

  • @susanmance9436
    @susanmance9436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I also like "good" historical fiction, that doesn't mess with the well known historical facts, and fills in the blanks where things are unknown. I am very impatient with this depiction of a 10 year old Henry.

    • @hogwashmcturnip8930
      @hogwashmcturnip8930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like Sharon Penman. In particular her take on the war between Matilda and Stephen. A period I know a bit about, but not enough. At one point she has Matilda and her main men slithering down a hastily assembled rope from a besieged castle dressed in bedsheets in a blizzard and just walking straight through the enemy camp! I thought that has to be made up! But Nope! it Did happen!. She must do so much research and I have yet to find anything blatantly wrong in her books.

    • @susanmance9436
      @susanmance9436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hogwashmcturnip8930 I have thought of trying Sharon Penman's books. Thanks, I think I will now!

    • @hogwashmcturnip8930
      @hogwashmcturnip8930 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@susanmance9436 The 'Sunne in Splendour' was the first one I read. Some people say it was too pro Richard 3rd, but I thought she just made him human, with all the faults and frailties. After all, none of us know what really went on with Princes in the Tower, and I have personally always found it difficult to accept that a man who was so loyal to his brothers and family would murder his own nephews for a throne he had shown no interest in before, other than to keep it for the Family. I tend to see the whole lot of them a bit like the Mafia or Gangsters, and for me one of the ones who stood out as a halfway decent bloke was Richard. Until the Tudors and Shakespeare got in with character assassination.

  • @susansuewwilliams
    @susansuewwilliams 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your videos!
    I wish, I had had you as one my instructor; you really do make history come alive.
    Thank you for you videos.

  • @theclassicso8094
    @theclassicso8094 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dr. Kat, this is great. Thank you for your review. As always, this has been truly informative.

  • @BriggsFamilyLaw
    @BriggsFamilyLaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do more of these! Love seeing what's accurate!

  • @obcl8569
    @obcl8569 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It *WAS* the Alhambra!! I was BLOWN AWAY by it when I saw it on screen.
    Haven't been there since I was 8 years old & it came back to me in waves seeing it. I imagined perhaps they had the world's most accurate set director 🤣😂🤣
    Thank you for this information! Good to know my memories were triggered by the real thing 😁

  • @roxannesookhai6560
    @roxannesookhai6560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Alhambra palace is also on my bucket list too! Ran out of time last time I visited Spain. Like you I also read the books when they came out but I can't remember the way Phillipa Gregory portrayed Katherine. This was a series I was considering watching but now I know Henry is "Awfully big for a ten year old!" haha! KoA is my favourite Tudor queen so I thoroughly enjoyed this video!

  • @willherondale483
    @willherondale483 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was incredibly enjoyable. I hope you will do this again.

  • @zuzuspetals9281
    @zuzuspetals9281 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My cousin threatened to send me home from my month long visit to her place in CA when we started watching this and I said, “That’s not how it happened!” I learned to be quiet and look up the real story when I was alone in my room. That’s how I stumbled on your channel two years ago.

  • @Shane-Flanagan
    @Shane-Flanagan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Would love Dr Kat to do videos on figures such as Henry VII, Margaret Beaufort, Elizabeth of York, Prince Arthur etc.

  • @SpyderQueen1988
    @SpyderQueen1988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I've read the Spanish Princess but haven't seen the show. It'll be interesting to see the differences xx

    • @NCKrypotonite33
      @NCKrypotonite33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I haven't read the book but I'd like too. I read the other Bolynn Girl and enjoyed it. The movie....not so much. They butchered the hell out of that novel for the movie.

  • @dannyp2058
    @dannyp2058 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dearest Kat, I hope you are keeping well.
    I have not watched one of your videos for a while as I have had a lot going on however I am pleased to have watched this and look forward to many more as well as a good catchup on many I have missed. I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate the time and work you put into the dedicated videos surrounding the history of our country's monarchy. You really made me laugh when it came to the age's of the royals in this video you made this video on, applaudable reaction. God bless you Dr ❤

  • @janetmckenney8376
    @janetmckenney8376 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    While it was seeing the Acropolis in Athens at the age of nine that sparked my love of history, it was reading historical novels that lead me to search for what actually happened. We lived in Turkey in the early 1950s, and I had my mom's Book of the Month historical novels and a set of Collier's Encyclopedias. I'd read a novel and then turn to the encyclopedia to search for facts. Seventy years later I'm still enjoying historical novels and then researching the modern version of an encyclopedia - the Internet! I always appreciated the historical fiction writer who would, at the end of the book, tell were she/he had altered fact to fit the fiction. I watched some of the Spanish Princess with my grandchildren and daughter-in-law and they were surprised at my reaction when Prince Harry came on the screen - it was almost identical to yours! I enjoy your videos. Please do more like this one.

  • @alexwholey3391
    @alexwholey3391 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. I love history, my favourite era is the Tudors, and find your videos really informative and interesting.

  • @janiced9960
    @janiced9960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I so wish I could have you on the sofa with to watch this series. I think I've felt the same about all the issues you've raised and it would be great to hash it over with you. Love your programmes and hope your little one is doing well. Also, more , more, more please.

  • @Theturtleowl
    @Theturtleowl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Oh dear, I think you and the Laughing Cavalier would have a nice chat about The Spanish Princess. He's not that fond of it either.

    • @ashtoneva4926
      @ashtoneva4926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      We need a colab

    • @jasminep9455
      @jasminep9455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I just discovered his channel recently. He is definitely NOT a fan of this or the White Princess 🤣

    • @ashtoneva4926
      @ashtoneva4926 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasminep9455 Same.

    • @SebastianGrimthwayte
      @SebastianGrimthwayte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah, but LC is also pretty sexist at times so... collab with caution.

    • @solangereyes2489
      @solangereyes2489 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SebastianGrimthwayte How ?

  • @jessihigginbotham
    @jessihigginbotham 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please keep doing episodes in this series. I am so interested in knowing more!

  • @dominikakotnik088
    @dominikakotnik088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dr Kat please do more! i love your commentary.

  • @88kayleigh
    @88kayleigh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know it would be a lot more involved, but I’d love to see historical fiction novel reviews too! I find they tend to do a slightly better job with the real history, compared to film. If you do enjoy reading those kinds of novels and would want to discuss any of them, that would be really cool!

  • @LH-ro2ot
    @LH-ro2ot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This series was dire. I wanted to slap every character - and I hate violence. There was nothing but "dramatic licence" with NO history 😠😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @michellebrickner9307
    @michellebrickner9307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I mean, high schoolers are routinely played by 30-year-old actors. In that context, Prince Henry's actor makes sense.

  • @sandracrosse4237
    @sandracrosse4237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Kat,
    Thanx for the video. Love ALL things Tudor.

  • @kazoolibra7322
    @kazoolibra7322 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this analysis of the Spanish Princess

  • @charlesmcdermott6139
    @charlesmcdermott6139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this! I love history and to have professional criticism of tv and movie productions is great! Thanks Dr. Kat

  • @sissydewoody8717
    @sissydewoody8717 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love what you say about historical fiction! And yes historical fiction is what started me on the Tudors and now I cant get enough of them! Love your channel!

  • @maureenlippincott9528
    @maureenlippincott9528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dr. Kat, you are the best!! I always enjoy your videos!

  • @IB_Homestead_Committee
    @IB_Homestead_Committee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh I cant wait for this! I saw the notification and came right over

  • @Terri_MacKay
    @Terri_MacKay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this video...I would really enjoy seeing you react to the rest of the series. While you're giving us a history lesson and pointing out historical inaccuracies, making the video interesting and informative, your reactions to some of the "creative choices" were hysterical. More of this...please!!🙏😃

  • @kevinpoole6122
    @kevinpoole6122 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for your affirmation of historical fiction. In seventh grade I read Norah Loft’s “The King’s Pleasure,” setting off a lifelong fascination with the Tudor era, and Catherine of Aragon, particularly.

  • @nataliabonachea33
    @nataliabonachea33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing your infinite knowledge in such a simple way.I enjoy your presentations.

  • @rachelsheffler3947
    @rachelsheffler3947 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "he's awfully big for 10" - that was fabulous. Great video, Dr Kat, very enjoyable

  • @lou6012
    @lou6012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was waiting for you to see Henry..... didn’t disappoint 😂

  • @madelinegutierrez1720
    @madelinegutierrez1720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Hmm. Lots of TH-camrs use video clips - I think it must be stated that it's for "educational use" which YOUR channel should CERTAINLY qualify as - you educate me about tons of things! And you actually have "the creds!"

  • @NessaStarkYoga
    @NessaStarkYoga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love that you go into wardrobe - I haven’t seen that in other “historian watches…” videos!

  • @LM-pm2ir
    @LM-pm2ir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr Kat, I have always enjoyed listening to your opinions and explanations on the various videos. You truly bring history to life. Perfection 👏🏻

  • @lawrencebarber
    @lawrencebarber 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Kat - love the channel, thank you. On the subject of clips, Tony Zhou has a medium article - Postmortem: Every Frame a Painting where he describes what he did to get around it. Basically some clips get flagged and others don't. I think it depends on the production too. But for what it's worth, I think it works very well with freeze frames rather than moving images. Thanks - enjoyed the video!

  • @EM-zb3jt
    @EM-zb3jt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I approach Gregory's work as historical A/U fanfiction, and I love it. Despite the historical flaws in her work, these shows have led me to reading real history books and learning more than I ever would have otherwise ever learned about the Tudor Era. I think that's worth something. I also totally understand why they aged up Henry. The show only has 8 episodes to show 8 YEARS worth of history. They also need that time to establish who Henry is as a character in relation to his brother and father. From a story standpoint, it makes sense. A drama series is not a documentary or a history book.

  • @murielredd364
    @murielredd364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I throughly enjoyed this format. Very well presented. I will look forward to more from you. Best wishes - with thanks.

  • @carynodonnell1982
    @carynodonnell1982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved your reactions and commentary! I love your series. Thank you.

  • @theresemendez8052
    @theresemendez8052 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue with making these videos. I really enjoyed this and look forward to the next one. “He’s awfully big for ten.” Wonderful.