My younger self knew Batman Forever was bad when it came out in 1995. My older self knows it’s bad now. Yet somehow there’s still a Batman Forever DVD on my movie rack.
Yeah, it seems to be a bit of a "guilty pleasure" Batman movie. Even though it's bad, I think some people (myself included) still have a soft spot for it.
I saw this movie as a kid and literally had no idea that Chris O' Donnell's Robin was supposed to be a teenager Also, Jon Favreau! - that's a great little Easter egg :)
Paholala that's also where Jesse Eisenberg got his inspiration for Lex Luthor. Unless, he (hopefully) gets retconned as the Riddler working for the real Lex, so Lex can actively work against batman/superman and not risk retribution.
I was actually very OK with Carrey. He was one of the only things I loved about the movie LOL Two Face on the other hand felt off and sucked. Even back then when I was a kid and loved this movie, I still hated that character. They did not use Tommy the way they were supposed to. Because as both a big fan of Carrey AND TLJ, I thought the conflicting personalities they had would be an amazing dynamic. But they ruined it by telling Tommy to try to be LIKE Jim Carrey and match his energy, which if any one of you knows Jim, is impossible LOL so it came out weird. I never liked it and I hate it even more as an adult
i never comment, but watch everything. What i just saw i have to point out. OMG the best enhance in movie and tv, NO! In entertainment history. thanks for that. everything you do is great and you can stop apologizing for every little thing fans say.
Yet u loved him before you found out what happened. you guys all loved him so much but now it’s so much better. It’s horrible what he did but should that effect the way you see him do a show?
Yes. Yes it should affect you. Because if it doesn't then these creeps win. If you keep enjoying them and their art, then you give them more power to keep doing what they're doing. Your comment is exactly the backwards thinking that NEEDS to STOP!
I am sure people felt betrayed and cheated when a guy they might have followed, liked and admired for years, even before movie fights started , turned out to be a creep. He was one of the people that made being a nerd okay for me. But after all that, I am not going to stop enjoying screen junkies for what it is, because while Andy may have set back nerds and geeks by several years, reestablishing the creep stereotype, it does not make it okay to boycott screen junkies for it. Also, practically speaking, I don’t see why hating screen junkies would help with anything. If anything, you’re forgetting these guys were quick to support the fans. Did they only do it after it blew up publicly? Yes, well, that’s how things work in big companies. Like it or not. And boycotting screen junkies is not going to solve this. It’s a long battle, and we all need to work towards spreading a healthy fan environment. We’re only here to enjoy movies after all.
Actually, I didn't love him. In fact, he kind of annoyed the crap out of me even before I heard he was a major creeper. I didn't like the energy he had on screen in these or in Movie Fights and I really wish I saw less of him. Watching videos with him was like going, "Dan, my man! ! Spencer, up top buddy!...oh, Andy...you're here...yep....just had to put yourself on camera again, didn't ya?"
I remember catching this on TV and surprisingly being interested enough to stay watching. Either low expectations or the power of watching TV at 3pm w/ no plans?
I actually had the Catwoman and Robin action figures from Batman Returns so Burton took my allowance. Val Kilmer was hot for a 90s gentleman. Chris was useful as a token to Pleasure Town. Kidman was Kidman before Botox. It was no Batman Returns but Batman Forever's soundtrack got me hooked on PJ Harvey.
I also had fond memories of Batman Forever. I am guessing that was due to a diet composed of way too much concession candy and soda. I sense the birth of a sub-reddit on a DC/Marvel conspiracy theory (@19:00). Love Honest Trailer Commentaries, you guys enlighten and enliven my day.
The back cover of my VHS copy of Batman Forever has no synopsis or info about the movie, just a massive quote from Jonathon Ross that reads "One of the best movies ever made!" What was he smoking?
I watch Batman Forever often because I think it's a good movie, but you guys are totally within your rights to think differently 😊 Also, y'all forgot to mention Seal's Kiss From a Rose. Also, also, y'all forgot PJ Harvey's In Your Dreams. Thanks for everything!👏🏾😊
The Honest Trailer was really good. I wish you guys had used unsanctioned buffonery for The Riddler in the Honest Trailer and included the deleted Alfred scene, I thought both were really funny.
I think I can recall that the Riddler hacked the batcave electronics to bring everything online and bring up the batmobile. But I haven't seen this movie in about 10 years.
I was surprised you didn't call attention to the "Riddler Bulge" in the HT, but then I remembered "family" entertainment and I was like ... yeah alright. But thankfully Spencer address it in the commentary :)
Spencer, how could you not understand that Chase was talking about Batman during the circus scene? She was referring him to dropping out of the sky from the opening scene outside the bank.
I have enough of a fondness for 'Batman Forever' to, if not fully defend it as a good film, at least argue its merits. I don't hate it as much as a lot of people seem to and I always find it easy enough to watch if flipping channels. I think most of the flack this movie gets is the hindsight of the same creative team also doing Batman & Robin, with which this film always gets lumped because it shares the same director. Of course, it's not quite the same creative team, because Batman Forever started out as a Burton/Keaton script before being lightened up with Schumacher. Comparing the two films, B&R is clearly the result of the Schumacher/Akiva Goldsman influence on Forever being cranked up to 11 when allowed to start from scratch on their own project. And also a misinterpretation of the things that people might have liked about Forever when compared with the Burton movies. When you look at just the story elements, Forever has a lot of interesting layers to it in regards to the exploration of the psychology of Batman. At its core is Batman's struggle to reconcile his Batman and Bruce Wayne personas when he sees what effect they have on others. On the one hand, you have Robin, who aspires to be Batman. On the other you have Edward Nygma, who wants to be Bruce Wayne. Given the themes of duality the film wants to play with, it's only natural for Two-Face to be the primary villain, given how he's the internal embodiment of the identity struggle that plagues Bruce externally. That's why the Chase Meridian character is there, a psychologist to help Bruce sort out these issues. Note how she's basically dating both Batman and Bruce Wayne, and has affections for different qualities in both without realizing they're the same person. These are fascinating dynamics that are still more or less present in the final film, but are more or less papered over by the Schumacher style to keep things more or less on a very colorful surface, turning the dial on the villains to such a cartoonish setting that the character subtleties are extremely blurred if not lost altogether. Schumacher often said he wanted to make a living comic book, but seems to have interpreted comics as a visual medium and not a serious vehicle for storytelling. I have always suspected that whatever good elements exist in Batman Forever are holdovers from a lengthy production process and a time from before Schumacher got involved. In this regard, it's good that we have B&R to provide a point of comparison against a fully Schumacher/Goldsman Batman movie. From this perspective, it's clear to me how much of Forever is the bridge between Burton and Schumacher's approaches, and that had there been no B&R, Forever wouldn't seem too out of place with the Burton films.
It's really interesting that Tommy Lee Jones said "I cannot sanction your buffoonery" because you should all see those Japanese commercials he's in for Suntory's Boss coffee drinks. Search them here in TH-cam. Seriously. Go do it after watching this.
Yeah the drive through line was done deliberately and solely for Mcdonalds who can also be directly blamed for Tim Burtons departure. Since the first Batman film was such a merchandise juggernaut... like EVERYTHINg in 1989 had a bat symbol on it... Warner Brothers licensed the HELL out of the second before it had even been made. Mcdonalds paid a lot for exclusive toy contract for Happy Meals and then suprise, no kids actually saw the film (or those who did were traumatised) So even though the film still made a ton of money, especially by sequel standards, Warner Brothers canned Burton deliberately just to show companies the film would be going in a different direction
um..... dr chase meridian was the smartest Batman girlfriend, and the only one to realise that Batman is Bruce Wayne; she kissed them both, and after kissing Bruce, she realized he's Batman....
I think the real story is Studio said "Tim, it needs to be a _family picture_ okay?" and Tim said, "but that would suck, and not fit what we have done" and Joel said, " think I make it work"
I love that you referenced MatPat's game theory, lol! And, great video guys. I don't hate "Batman Forever" as much, just because of Jim Carrie's performance alone; otherwise, it sucks.
random comment but gal gadot aka wonder woman also had a connection with vincent chase in entourage, she was in one scene as his date. dc movies meet entourage, oh yeaahhh
I would watch an entire commentary of Dan just doing his Dennis Miller impression. If he ever wants to pop back in for a commentary, I'd love this so much.
I am in secondary school and I am dealing with some suicidal and depressional thoughts over issues that I used to think were small. Could you please bless me for the rest of my years or leave some advice that I could follow for overcoming these problems?
@@stefanfilipovits21 Wow, this was two years ago. I'm kind of fine now. I wasn't even watching the video when I said this. I just wrote it and expected advice. Thank you for bringing me back here. It means a lot.
I don't know when the heck Chase Meridian implies she's going to hit on Robin ... But I LOVED the Batmartigan credit you guys scrapped. Now I need to go watch Willow.
Der Hammer yeah but that was different. Tommy was playing his serious self and THAT was the joke in MIB. His stubborn stiffness is what worked conflicting with the charisma of Will Smith. This is not the same thing AT ALL 😂😂😂
So we have our former movie fight champion Dan Murrell and the current one Spencer Gilbert. Now you can bring back #moviefights Do it pls, do it now!!!
And Suicide Squad won an Oscar. Vagaries of life. Something else to numb the brain: Leonard Maltin gave Batman & Robin 2.5 stars He gave The Dark Knight 2 stars. let that sink in.
Tim Burton was going to do a 3rd film... Batman Triumphant was going to have Scarecrow and also Robin Williams as the Riddler... Thats where the idea of Riddler came from when they made this film. Also he was considering Ben Afflek (among many others) for Robin
Chase Meridian sounds like the name of a bank
I mean chase is the name of a bank so that helps
“I cannot sanction your buffoonery” sounds like something straight out of Sam Eagle’s mouth
I️ know it’s probably obvious or starting to become that way, I️ really love the direction screen junkies is going post Andy. Keep it up guys!
Brock Engi
Someone’s phone got messed up by the latest IOS software.
My younger self knew Batman Forever was bad when it came out in 1995. My older self knows it’s bad now. Yet somehow there’s still a Batman Forever DVD on my movie rack.
I have Horrors of Spider Island on DVD. If we're in a competition for who has the worse movie on DVD, I think I have the upper hand.
I know it's bad as well, but it's one of those that's still kinda fun to watch.
Yeah, it seems to be a bit of a "guilty pleasure" Batman movie. Even though it's bad, I think some people (myself included) still have a soft spot for it.
If only they’d dressed as batman and robin for this, can strangely picture Spencer as a jaded sarcastic batman
The Dynamic Duo
I saw this movie as a kid and literally had no idea that Chris O' Donnell's Robin was supposed to be a teenager
Also, Jon Favreau! - that's a great little Easter egg
:)
"I cannot sanction your buffoonery" should be a new meme.
IMHO, Kilmer did have the best movie Batman voice.
This has been the funniest commentary so far haha Outstanding!
I've been waiting for the honest trailer for "The Room", with The Disaster Artist coming out.
hi
Genius!
Julia Silva that means rewatching it
They have to do this!
Julia Silva what's your Instagram
The thing I always hated most in this movie is that both of the villans are a version of the Joker, they act nothing like Two Face and Riddler.
Paholala that's also where Jesse Eisenberg got his inspiration for Lex Luthor.
Unless, he (hopefully) gets retconned as the Riddler working for the real Lex, so Lex can actively work against batman/superman and not risk retribution.
Not helped in any way by Jared Leto obviously basing much of his Joker performance on Jim Carrey.
I was actually very OK with Carrey. He was one of the only things I loved about the movie LOL Two Face on the other hand felt off and sucked. Even back then when I was a kid and loved this movie, I still hated that character. They did not use Tommy the way they were supposed to. Because as both a big fan of Carrey AND TLJ, I thought the conflicting personalities they had would be an amazing dynamic. But they ruined it by telling Tommy to try to be LIKE Jim Carrey and match his energy, which if any one of you knows Jim, is impossible LOL so it came out weird. I never liked it and I hate it even more as an adult
i never comment, but watch everything. What i just saw i have to point out. OMG the best enhance in movie and tv, NO! In entertainment history. thanks for that. everything you do is great and you can stop apologizing for every little thing fans say.
"Tell me doctor, do you like the thircuth?" 😂
i like SJ without andy more.
Sincerely Defiant Same !!!😁
Yet u loved him before you found out what happened. you guys all loved him so much but now it’s so much better. It’s horrible what he did but should that effect the way you see him do a show?
Yes. Yes it should affect you. Because if it doesn't then these creeps win. If you keep enjoying them and their art, then you give them more power to keep doing what they're doing. Your comment is exactly the backwards thinking that NEEDS to STOP!
I am sure people felt betrayed and cheated when a guy they might have followed, liked and admired for years, even before movie fights started , turned out to be a creep. He was one of the people that made being a nerd okay for me. But after all that, I am not going to stop enjoying screen junkies for what it is, because while Andy may have set back nerds and geeks by several years, reestablishing the creep stereotype, it does not make it okay to boycott screen junkies for it. Also, practically speaking, I don’t see why hating screen junkies would help with anything. If anything, you’re forgetting these guys were quick to support the fans. Did they only do it after it blew up publicly? Yes, well, that’s how things work in big companies. Like it or not. And boycotting screen junkies is not going to solve this. It’s a long battle, and we all need to work towards spreading a healthy fan environment. We’re only here to enjoy movies after all.
Actually, I didn't love him. In fact, he kind of annoyed the crap out of me even before I heard he was a major creeper. I didn't like the energy he had on screen in these or in Movie Fights and I really wish I saw less of him. Watching videos with him was like going, "Dan, my man! ! Spencer, up top buddy!...oh, Andy...you're here...yep....just had to put yourself on camera again, didn't ya?"
I have used "...cannot sanction your buffoonery" frequently after seeing this. Thank you Spencer.
The soundtrack was AWESOME!
"Epilepsy lights is what I wanted..." LOL! 😂
“I cannot sanction your buffoonery” Pretty hypocritical, considering how he played Two-Face.
It's time for an Honest Trailer for The Emoji Movie!
Awesome on screen duo! You guys are awesome together! Keep up the great work guys, you're all doing fantasticly well post Andy, keep it up :D
Batman Returns is the best Batman movie, you should do that one.
thats just a theory. a SCREEEN THEORY .
Thanks for watching.
And.... Cut
I remember catching this on TV and surprisingly being interested enough to stay watching. Either low expectations or the power of watching TV at 3pm w/ no plans?
what if Jones' performance was a brilliant critique of Jim Carey?
I totally forgot about that laundry scene. Way to knock the nostalgia goggles off guys
I actually had the Catwoman and Robin action figures from Batman Returns so Burton took my allowance. Val Kilmer was hot for a 90s gentleman. Chris was useful as a token to Pleasure Town. Kidman was Kidman before Botox. It was no Batman Returns but Batman Forever's soundtrack got me hooked on PJ Harvey.
So we finally get emoji movie next week, nice
I also had fond memories of Batman Forever. I am guessing that was due to a diet composed of way too much concession candy and soda. I sense the birth of a sub-reddit on a DC/Marvel conspiracy theory (@19:00). Love Honest Trailer Commentaries, you guys enlighten and enliven my day.
The back cover of my VHS copy of Batman Forever has no synopsis or info about the movie, just a massive quote from Jonathon Ross that reads "One of the best movies ever made!" What was he smoking?
I watch Batman Forever often because I think it's a good movie, but you guys are totally within your rights to think differently 😊 Also, y'all forgot to mention Seal's Kiss From a Rose. Also, also, y'all forgot PJ Harvey's In Your Dreams. Thanks for everything!👏🏾😊
Rated M For Movies Actually, Kiss from a Rose is mentioned in the Honest Trailer itself.. why would they need to mention it here also?
Tim Blundell The comment was in jest. I was afraid no one would get that I was joking so I added thanks for everything at the end. Clearly didn't work
Jon Favreau was also in Daredevil though. So how does that fit in the Happy Hogan spy theory?
And then Daredevil regained his sight and became Batman?
The Honest Trailer was really good. I wish you guys had used unsanctioned buffonery for The Riddler in the Honest Trailer and included the deleted Alfred scene, I thought both were really funny.
BREAKING NEWS: Ben Affleck won't be Batman Forever.
Actually LOL'd at your comment, and had to comment when I saw it was Rodney McKay, thumbs up for SGA! :D
Breaking News:Ben Affleck remains Batman
Joel Schumacher looks like Jon Voight based his character in Anaconda on Joel Schumacher
Love the Game Theory reference Spencer.
Does this mean Batman Forever is the actual first movie that kicked off the MCU?
i remeber loving the soundtrack i use to listen to over and over again in my walk men...damn im old V_V
I think I can recall that the Riddler hacked the batcave electronics to bring everything online and bring up the batmobile. But I haven't seen this movie in about 10 years.
That was fun, thanks guys!!! P.S. Where's Joe Star?
16:20 I like how Spencer is just riffing and Dan is pretty much looking down, hiding behind his cap.
Tommy Lee Jones was in Under Siege which had a lot of (sanctioned?) buffoonery (can’t get much more buffoon than Gary Bussey in drag)
I was surprised you didn't call attention to the "Riddler Bulge" in the HT, but then I remembered "family" entertainment and I was like ... yeah alright. But thankfully Spencer address it in the commentary :)
Emoji movie honest trailer next week wooooo
I think I heard someone mention on Screen Junkies that Batman Forever is "the last time Tommy Lee Jones looked like he had fun in a movie"
Isn't Shawn Bradley still alive?
"sanctioned buffoonery" is now part of my regular vocabulary. Thank you.
Spencer, how could you not understand that Chase was talking about Batman during the circus scene? She was referring him to dropping out of the sky from the opening scene outside the bank.
Sam Raimi was considered to direct Batman Forever, and that would've been great.
John should get an Oscar for not choking during the last comment.
I have enough of a fondness for 'Batman Forever' to, if not fully defend it as a good film, at least argue its merits. I don't hate it as much as a lot of people seem to and I always find it easy enough to watch if flipping channels.
I think most of the flack this movie gets is the hindsight of the same creative team also doing Batman & Robin, with which this film always gets lumped because it shares the same director. Of course, it's not quite the same creative team, because Batman Forever started out as a Burton/Keaton script before being lightened up with Schumacher. Comparing the two films, B&R is clearly the result of the Schumacher/Akiva Goldsman influence on Forever being cranked up to 11 when allowed to start from scratch on their own project. And also a misinterpretation of the things that people might have liked about Forever when compared with the Burton movies.
When you look at just the story elements, Forever has a lot of interesting layers to it in regards to the exploration of the psychology of Batman. At its core is Batman's struggle to reconcile his Batman and Bruce Wayne personas when he sees what effect they have on others.
On the one hand, you have Robin, who aspires to be Batman. On the other you have Edward Nygma, who wants to be Bruce Wayne.
Given the themes of duality the film wants to play with, it's only natural for Two-Face to be the primary villain, given how he's the internal embodiment of the identity struggle that plagues Bruce externally.
That's why the Chase Meridian character is there, a psychologist to help Bruce sort out these issues. Note how she's basically dating both Batman and Bruce Wayne, and has affections for different qualities in both without realizing they're the same person.
These are fascinating dynamics that are still more or less present in the final film, but are more or less papered over by the Schumacher style to keep things more or less on a very colorful surface, turning the dial on the villains to such a cartoonish setting that the character subtleties are extremely blurred if not lost altogether. Schumacher often said he wanted to make a living comic book, but seems to have interpreted comics as a visual medium and not a serious vehicle for storytelling.
I have always suspected that whatever good elements exist in Batman Forever are holdovers from a lengthy production process and a time from before Schumacher got involved. In this regard, it's good that we have B&R to provide a point of comparison against a fully Schumacher/Goldsman Batman movie. From this perspective, it's clear to me how much of Forever is the bridge between Burton and Schumacher's approaches, and that had there been no B&R, Forever wouldn't seem too out of place with the Burton films.
Batman Returns is the best. Period!
It's really interesting that Tommy Lee Jones said "I cannot sanction your buffoonery" because you should all see those Japanese commercials he's in for Suntory's Boss coffee drinks. Search them here in TH-cam. Seriously. Go do it after watching this.
So Emoji movie next week?
Batman forever is my favorite batman movie
When will you guys do West World now that it's out?
Yeah the drive through line was done deliberately and solely for Mcdonalds who can also be directly blamed for Tim Burtons departure. Since the first Batman film was such a merchandise juggernaut... like EVERYTHINg in 1989 had a bat symbol on it... Warner Brothers licensed the HELL out of the second before it had even been made. Mcdonalds paid a lot for exclusive toy contract for Happy Meals and then suprise, no kids actually saw the film (or those who did were traumatised) So even though the film still made a ton of money, especially by sequel standards, Warner Brothers canned Burton deliberately just to show companies the film would be going in a different direction
Where's Joe Starr?
Heck yeah! The empji movie trailer is comming!!!
um..... dr chase meridian was the smartest Batman girlfriend, and the only one to realise that Batman is Bruce Wayne; she kissed them both, and after kissing Bruce, she realized he's Batman....
When it first came out I thought it was gonna be ok but then I remember leaving the theater not knowing how I felt
Do you like the Circus? LMAO
I'm your Hucklebatty. Classic.
one of the vhs tapes we own. I watched it like a hundred times at least almost to a point where I recite the lines along while the movie is playing
I think the real story is Studio said "Tim, it needs to be a _family picture_ okay?" and Tim said, "but that would suck, and not fit what we have done" and Joel said, " think I make it work"
Boiling Acid guy and Batman Yeah guy are... THE SAME GUY!!!!
I love that you referenced MatPat's game theory, lol! And, great video guys. I don't hate "Batman Forever" as much, just because of Jim Carrie's performance alone; otherwise, it sucks.
Can I just say, this movie's batmobile is, in my opinion, the best looking batmobile of any batman.
random comment but gal gadot aka wonder woman also had a connection with vincent chase in entourage, she was in one scene as his date. dc movies meet entourage, oh yeaahhh
It’s gonna be emoji movie
I would watch an entire commentary of Dan just doing his Dennis Miller impression. If he ever wants to pop back in for a commentary, I'd love this so much.
But that's just a theory, a gaaaaame theory!
I honestly believe Batman & Robin is better than Batman Forever.
Do an honest trailers on the karate kid
I am in secondary school and I am dealing with some suicidal and depressional thoughts over issues that I used to think were small. Could you please bless me for the rest of my years or leave some advice that I could follow for overcoming these problems?
Hang in there oscar Nguyen. Hope you’re doing ok.
@@stefanfilipovits21 Wow, this was two years ago. I'm kind of fine now. I wasn't even watching the video when I said this. I just wrote it and expected advice. Thank you for bringing me back here. It means a lot.
Omg! I love this movie!!!!
Where’s Joe Starr?!
I don't know when the heck Chase Meridian implies she's going to hit on Robin ... But I LOVED the Batmartigan credit you guys scrapped. Now I need to go watch Willow.
I prefer Batman and Robin over this, I can get behind the over the top campiness of it maybe from watching the Adam West version.
You guys are fkin awesome lmfao love you guys
yeah it's not like Tommy Lee Jones was in Men in Black or something crazy like it...
Der Hammer yeah but that was different. Tommy was playing his serious self and THAT was the joke in MIB. His stubborn stiffness is what worked conflicting with the charisma of Will Smith. This is not the same thing AT ALL 😂😂😂
Shawn Bradley isn't dead... Is that a joke or did he confuse two players?
Real Genius is even a bit better than Top Secret...watch both!
I think you guys were fair with it, for the most part.
So we have our former movie fight champion Dan Murrell and the current one Spencer Gilbert. Now you can bring back #moviefights Do it pls, do it now!!!
This movie was nominated for 3 oscars, But Batman Begins only got 1 nom.
Let that sink in.
And Suicide Squad won an Oscar. Vagaries of life.
Something else to numb the brain:
Leonard Maltin gave Batman & Robin 2.5 stars
He gave The Dark Knight 2 stars.
let that sink in.
What was the term they used for Ben Affleck?
Psyclonus Batfleck!
game theory shoutout, noice
Just throwing this out there: Bale had his mouth open all the time too. The cowl covers the nose.
Next week's trailer has to be THE EMOJI MOVIE since Coco comes out next week!
Great Honest Trailer✋......when is the Batman and Robin trailer coming?
Intruduler alert, intruduler alert! Kills me!
Is Josh Hutcherson (Peeta) 2017's answer to 1990's Chris O"Donnell?
You guys are mea.. oh, wait, i feel the same as you two!
Bruce Wayne does a butthead impression
Tim Burton was going to do a 3rd film... Batman Triumphant was going to have Scarecrow and also Robin Williams as the Riddler... Thats where the idea of Riddler came from when they made this film. Also he was considering Ben Afflek (among many others) for Robin
From the interview on Jimmy Kimmel Live, Ben Affleck seemed to be in the running with Matt Damon for an earlier Batman film
Spencer scared me for a second I thought Shawn Bradley died
When are you doing “the room” honest trailer?!?
Was the acid guy Ed O'Neill?
Jeff Goldbloom was cast in 5th Batman