Very refreshing. I particularly enjoyed Rufus challenging the doctor who wrote the book. Rufus faced up to him with such courage, realness and clarity. The poor man disintegrated in the face of such an unyealdingly authentic expression of actual experience, that was'nt just cerebral book knowledge. Thanks Rufus.
Watching this film has been amazind and deeply insigthtful. Most of these psychiatrics have the view that people should take meds full stop. Treament they advocate isn't "recovery" and the intervention my mother has recieved has not been recovery focused just "Upping the meds" focused. This is not personalisation of care. Nothing prepares you for having a parent with mental illness. I will do as much as I can to share the message to promote recovery with my campaign work.
It's all about money. It's never about helping or during anyone. Monitory dishonest gain. Cures were never the goal. Poisoning human beings for greed subsidizing health data and negative clinical trials shows us how corrupt psychiatrist doctors and drug companies are.
45:10 - 45:50 this is why people who are having mental problems fucking don't seek help. You infringe their privacy, strip them of their human rights, and treat them as if they're fucking rabid animals and force them toxic "meds".
Toda persona escucha una voz en su interior la mayoria de las veces en nuestra propia voz y si estamos en una etapa de la vida complicada nos alteramos y tambien los pensamientos, pero la medicación de psicofármacos solo se deben usar desde mi humilde opinión en casos muy extremos. Otro factores que influyen desde mi punto de vista es la estabilidad económica y social. Si no tienes trabajo ni interacciones con otras personas a nivel social es mas normal tener pensamientos de suicidio.
My sister and I both have mental problems. I can honestly tell you that medicine don't work. Both her and I been on meds for at least 20 years and it only worked for the first year and then the rest is the exact same shit. I now take my meds not bc it's working, but I take it bc if I don't, i will probably go into a total melt down. My body is so used to the meds it's needs it to just be normal.
Voices and delusions are clearly metaphors for things going on it people's life. Weird that the professional establishment don't think that's important.
"Normal" people seek experiences that schizophrenics live with every day. These people need shamans to work alongside people like Rufus to help interpret the visions, or Rufus should become a shaman.
Rufus May - Do you think it is possible that male humans using high technology radio-weapon systems could be voice communicating with you ? Psychotronic Stalking / Attack / V2K
hola, no tengo diagnostico, pero me parece que la imágen que se da en el documental de relación sujeto - profesional está romantizada. igual es el metodo del rufus. recomiendo el canal Living Well With Schizophrenia. gracias!
osea es una realidad distinta a la mía y me gusta que se visibilice. de lo que sí puedo hablar es del estigma. el terapeuta recomienda a la chica a esconder su realidad, a no contarla. a adaptarse así a un contexto sociocultural discriminante y violento hacia la diferencia, hacia el sufrimiento mental. evidentemente lo entiendo, pero creo que es una idea engañosa: se salva ella pero no contribuye a generar un cambio social. rufus en su posicion es en si una persona que da un ejemplo que lucha per se contra el estigma. pero esconderse dentro del sistema no es una opción de vida que considere deseable, como presentar como digna y ejemplo a seguir. evidentemente hablo desde un provilegio (puede ser). gracias!
when this guy obviously means well but shouldn't be encouraging this woman not to take her medication. he's not facilitating some kind of alternative treatment. When he speaks he doesn't make much sense. it's all loose generalitys. it could end up being really dangerous if people try to follow his "alternative treatment plan"
Ruth if the voices causes you such distress there is a way to quiet them and to get rid of the suicidal thoughts and then you will feel less distressed and start feeling well. My son experienced all of this and now he is on medication and the voices are almost absent and they do not bother him and Clozapine saved his life! I am so thankful but you only want someone who is very experienced with this medication because there are side effects but those can be managed easily and they should start low dose and slowly go up as your symptoms get less. The fatigue lessens as you are on it longer but like I said you need a compassionate highly trained doctor to manage this medication. Peace of mind helps you become more functional and less distressed.
people are posting how wonderful his treatment is. Seriously, look up the HBO documentary on schizophrenia, I would like to see him help those patients, REAL patients who are TRUE schizophrenics! This girl obviously had other issues, maybe it was the stress of medical school and sleep deprivation from studying. I don't believe she was an actual schizophrenic.
She was obviously schizophrenic, with a persisten intrusive voice in her mind, telling her to do things against her will. The fact that he was able to help her without the use of drugs is very valuable, psychiatrists are very necessary in society but they have a very narrow approach. So, it's a real shame that you don't see value in this kind of radical approaches. This method is by no means without some thought behind, I dare you to read "the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind" by Julian Jaynes, which by the way Rufus mentions in some of his youtube videos. Cheers
Right, pretty sure they said she was manic depressive and probably had psychosis from that. Or maybe she's a high functioning schizophrenic, IDK, but it kinda scares me about her being a doctor and having other ppls lives in her hands... what if the voice convinces her to kill one or something? It'd be one thing if the voice went away, but it didn't, so that's concerning to me about her future
It's kinda like "The Sixth Sense". He is treating himself, vicariously thru her. However. This is not illegitimate. It is merely rejected by the current paradigm which values "objectivity". But "objectivity" is losing it's dominance over some therapeutic models now and "counter-transference" is coming back. It's being reconsidered as a source of healing energy. I put a few links up to a guy who advocates counter-transference. But I don't think it's this entangled. This guy has completely identified with her. She is him. It's beyond empathy. That is and always will be dangerous. But the most effective methods of doing things are almost always dangerous.
They respected The Voice in the end. That is really powerful. And completely consistent with what other cultures do to heal people with these issues. This was about as close to Shamanism as we get in this culture - baring religion, of course.
I was gunna.. say that ruth girl looks EXACTLY!!! like the women from LUTHER.. the crazy bitch who killed her parents and got away with it.. eventually becoming his friends.. erm.. and it turns out.. IT IS!!! her :)
if you stop taking psychiatric drugs, you will have even worse episode due to homeostasis when you stop, some of them can take many months before the brain gets stabilized again
You do get used to him, but he's not your friend. I hope Ruth is doing better these days. She's a beautiful woman. Evil is real, and it hates beautiful people. However, the only real power it has is that which we give it.
I don't think this guy is doing the right thing....he should stop make devises around...he is actually doing the same thing with the lady that he believe he can find meaningful information from the contact with her...he always discourage her opinion and try to replace a more realistic idea which is not belong to her and make confusion to her ...not good man not good
Very refreshing. I particularly enjoyed Rufus challenging the doctor who wrote the book. Rufus faced up to him with such courage, realness and clarity. The poor man disintegrated in the face of such an unyealdingly authentic expression of actual experience, that was'nt just cerebral book knowledge. Thanks Rufus.
I'll say 'made-up knowledge' instead of 'cerebral book knowledge'.... it's scary how dump is that psychiatrist, 99, 9% of them are;
wow, great document. Thanks so much for it.
Watching this film has been amazind and deeply insigthtful. Most of these psychiatrics have the view that people should take meds full stop. Treament they advocate isn't "recovery" and the intervention my mother has recieved has not been recovery focused just "Upping the meds" focused. This is not personalisation of care. Nothing prepares you for having a parent with mental illness. I will do as much as I can to share the message to promote recovery with my campaign work.
It's all about money. It's never about helping or during anyone. Monitory dishonest gain. Cures were never the goal. Poisoning human beings for greed subsidizing health data and negative clinical trials shows us how corrupt psychiatrist doctors and drug companies are.
45:10 - 45:50 this is why people who are having mental problems fucking don't seek help. You infringe their privacy, strip them of their human rights, and treat them as if they're fucking rabid animals and force them toxic "meds".
Please moderate your language
What could possibly go wrong. Would like a follow up in Ruth in 12 months time.
Toda persona escucha una voz en su interior la mayoria de las veces en nuestra propia voz y si estamos en una etapa de la vida complicada nos alteramos y tambien los pensamientos, pero la medicación de psicofármacos solo se deben usar desde mi humilde opinión en casos muy extremos. Otro factores que influyen desde mi punto de vista es la estabilidad económica y social. Si no tienes trabajo ni interacciones con otras personas a nivel social es mas normal tener pensamientos de suicidio.
pmk6868 Amen man I hear you. Thanks for commenting man. And you're right. Got to have some friends.
Rufus is a rebel
And I appreciate that
Muy interesante!
why did he not demand the voice to leave her, right at the first meeting? An AMAZING story -- Thank you :)
Thanks for this. Do you know how Rufus and Ruth are doing today?
My sister and I both have mental problems. I can honestly tell you that medicine don't work. Both her and I been on meds for at least 20 years and it only worked for the first year and then the rest is the exact same shit. I now take my meds not bc it's working, but I take it bc if I don't, i will probably go into a total melt down. My body is so used to the meds it's needs it to just be normal.
Voices and delusions are clearly metaphors for things going on it people's life. Weird that the professional establishment don't think that's important.
thanks for this!
"Normal" people seek experiences that schizophrenics live with every day. These people need shamans to work alongside people like Rufus to help interpret the visions, or Rufus should become a shaman.
Rufus May - Do you think it is possible that male humans using high technology radio-weapon systems could be voice communicating with you ? Psychotronic Stalking / Attack / V2K
hola, no tengo diagnostico, pero me parece que la imágen que se da en el documental de relación sujeto - profesional está romantizada. igual es el metodo del rufus. recomiendo el canal Living Well With Schizophrenia. gracias!
osea es una realidad distinta a la mía y me gusta que se visibilice. de lo que sí puedo hablar es del estigma. el terapeuta recomienda a la chica a esconder su realidad, a no contarla. a adaptarse así a un contexto sociocultural discriminante y violento hacia la diferencia, hacia el sufrimiento mental. evidentemente lo entiendo, pero creo que es una idea engañosa: se salva ella pero no contribuye a generar un cambio social. rufus en su posicion es en si una persona que da un ejemplo que lucha per se contra el estigma. pero esconderse dentro del sistema no es una opción de vida que considere deseable, como presentar como digna y ejemplo a seguir. evidentemente hablo desde un provilegio (puede ser). gracias!
beautiful, progressive, humanizing 💜
I think no to be honest about her experiences is totally legit; in order to survive in this world;
when this guy obviously means well but shouldn't be encouraging this woman not to take her medication. he's not facilitating some kind of alternative treatment. When he speaks he doesn't make much sense. it's all loose generalitys. it could end up being really dangerous if people try to follow his "alternative treatment plan"
Hearing Voices Network is pretty successful
Ruth if the voices causes you such distress there is a way to quiet them and to get rid of the suicidal thoughts and then you will feel less distressed and start feeling well. My son experienced all of this and now he is on medication and the voices are almost absent and they do not bother him and Clozapine saved his life! I am so thankful but you only want someone who is very experienced with this medication because there are side effects but those can be managed easily and they should start low dose and slowly go up as your symptoms get less. The fatigue lessens as you are on it longer but like I said you need a compassionate highly trained doctor to manage this medication. Peace of mind helps you become more functional and less distressed.
people are posting how wonderful his treatment is. Seriously, look up the HBO documentary on schizophrenia, I would like to see him help those patients, REAL patients who are TRUE schizophrenics! This girl obviously had other issues, maybe it was the stress of medical school and sleep deprivation from studying. I don't believe she was an actual schizophrenic.
She probably has schizoaffective disorder because she has severe mood swings while she is psychotic.
She was obviously schizophrenic, with a persisten intrusive voice in her mind, telling her to do things against her will. The fact that he was able to help her without the use of drugs is very valuable, psychiatrists are very necessary in society but they have a very narrow approach. So, it's a real shame that you don't see value in this kind of radical approaches. This method is by no means without some thought behind, I dare you to read "the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind" by Julian Jaynes, which by the way Rufus mentions in some of his youtube videos. Cheers
Right, pretty sure they said she was manic depressive and probably had psychosis from that. Or maybe she's a high functioning schizophrenic, IDK, but it kinda scares me about her being a doctor and having other ppls lives in her hands... what if the voice convinces her to kill one or something? It'd be one thing if the voice went away, but it didn't, so that's concerning to me about her future
Just pause the video, since I can leave...
what the hell is he reading to his son in 50 min.? anyway I used to read books not meant for children, anything very soon
... okay... something about this doctor/patient relationship is not quite right...
It's kinda like "The Sixth Sense".
He is treating himself, vicariously thru her.
However.
This is not illegitimate. It is merely rejected by the current paradigm which values "objectivity". But "objectivity" is losing it's dominance over some therapeutic models now and "counter-transference" is coming back. It's being reconsidered as a source of healing energy.
I put a few links up to a guy who advocates counter-transference. But I don't think it's this entangled. This guy has completely identified with her. She is him. It's beyond empathy. That is and always will be dangerous. But the most effective methods of doing things are almost always dangerous.
He uses "Voice Dialog" which is really powerful and valuable.
They respected The Voice in the end.
That is really powerful. And completely consistent with what other cultures do to heal people with these issues. This was about as close to Shamanism as we get in this culture - baring religion, of course.
Unconventional to be sure.
I was gunna.. say that ruth girl looks EXACTLY!!! like the women from LUTHER.. the crazy bitch who killed her parents and got away with it.. eventually becoming his friends.. erm.. and it turns out.. IT IS!!! her :)
Holy shit... wow. Ruth didn't kill her parents; she played Alice Morgan in the BBC series. Haha for a second there I was like "Huh? No way!"
The Doct3r may lie😂😂😂😂
if you stop taking psychiatric drugs, you will have even worse episode due to homeostasis when you stop, some of them can take many months before the brain gets stabilized again
You do get used to him, but he's not your friend. I hope Ruth is doing better these days. She's a beautiful woman. Evil is real, and it hates beautiful people. However, the only real power it has is that which we give it.
25min the psychiatrist being honest...
I don't think this guy is doing the right thing....he should stop make devises around...he is actually doing the same thing with the lady that he believe he can find meaningful information from the contact with her...he always discourage her opinion and try to replace a more realistic idea which is not belong to her and make confusion to her ...not good man not good