For those who don't know: Intersex is not a "gender identity," it is deviation or variation separate from typical Male and Female biological processes and anatomies. There are many different ways someone can be intersex - chromosomal, anatomical, and hormonal, for example - but all of them are scientifically separate from what constitutes a typical biological Male or Female. As such, raising them using gender neutral terms - the way a parent may use masculine terms for a male child or feminine terms for a female child - is perfectly understandable and well within that parent's rights.
I tried to bring it up in school as a kid. My neighbour was intersex, I was not familiar with it so I googled it. The DNA variations and all. I was made fun of in 7th grade… “They are not my brother or sister, just sibling” They only lived in the rented house for a year before moving
You got a dick you are a man you got tits and a vagina you a woman it is not hard. If you think you are neither or "trans" then you should probably see a psychiatrist and seek help for your issues. Parents who push their agendas on their children should have their children taken away and adults who push their agenda on children in their care should not be allowed around children.
@@pomyata_myata well at first that's kinda the point, the kid is neither male nor female. But as they grow older, they'll probably come to realise which gender expression, pronouns, etc. they feel most comfortable in.
It’s funny seeing the comments assuming “intersex” isn’t an actual medical condition that you’re born with and thinking this video is of someone saying their child is intersex as a gender fluid type thing and being like “no don’t do that, raise it as it’s biological sex” but it’s literally, physically, biologically both or neither sexes.
Or how some people say "well intersex is still male or female" Which they just don't know what intersex is. Like most intersex will have xy or xx. But they won't fit other criteria for that sex. Like why should chromoses be more important in indetifying sex than genes or anatomy? And also there are intersex people who will have two types of chromosomes too.
@@djdreem8417 you do know it’s a physical thing right? Hormones, chromosomes, and parts of the body are all affected. And that the term “hermaphrodite” is just an older term for intersex, you know that right?
Right, which is why this video is obviously pushing an LGBTQRS TUV WXYZ+++++----two spirit three spirit four spirit agenda with the big rainbow flag. Who exactly do you think you people are fooling? I mean, other than yourselves.
Honestly one of the worst things intersex people face is involuntary surgery at birth. Doctors will often HEAVILY recommend operating on an intersex newborn to be "solely male or female". This could involve removing undescended testicles, removing ovaries, just very serious life-changing surgeries in general that can have lifetime consequences on the person's health, all because "oh, they should be one or the other"
My opinion is, unless a child’s condition is life threatening/will affect their quality of life majorly, they shouldn’t have to go through surgery without their consent.
@@ashtaylor4107 yep. like if the genitalia situation causes issues with the urinary tract etc., that 100% should be fixed. otherwise it's messed up to be performing what is essentially a cosmetic surgery on an infant.
@@PossumByNight and i think is even weirder to perform a sexual cosmetic surgery on a child, why are you concerned about how this kid genitalia looks like
My husband and I discussed this while I was pregnant. We agreed that if we had an intersex child, we'd fight tooth and nail to let THEM decide when they were ready. We even had a few gender neutral names ready. Simply because my family has a history of intersex births. And what happened to my older family members, who had someone else assign their gender for them was heartbreaking. I wasn't going to do that to my own child. I wish it was better explained and talked about. It's not something to be hidden away and ashamed of. It just IS. It needs to be normalized.
My friend was born intersex and their birth parents tried to “fix” them and then gave them up after. They identify as gender fluid and use whatever pronouns they feel like. Their new parents are awesome and got them on hormones that they wanted in the dose they felt comfortable at as they couldn’t produce hormones naturally.
@FantasyWork they are intersex so they are both. So all pronouns, they/them is their go to, but they don’t mind any pronouns as they have said they are genderfluid. But nice try trying to misgender them. They got a laugh out of it.
Honestly children in general, intersex or not, should be raised the same way. It's so stupid to force kids to play with certain toys for example. Just let the kid be.
No they shouldn't. The development of boys and girls is quite different and they have different needs. Example for this includes: Boys mentally grow up slower than girls and due to testosteron giving them more energy and the need to spend it, they require more productive outlets for it than girls do. Not giving them that will make them aggressive. Also, during puberty due to more radical growth spurts, certain internal systems of boys need to rearange themselves and can cause hearing and balance issues. Currently, boys are held to the standard of girls in schools, which is why so many get misdiagnosed with adhd.
@@Sultschiem (ffs stop replying to this comment I've had enough) I think they were talking more about things like "girls only play with dolls and wear skirts and boys play with cars and play football". Just raising kids differently because of their gender (so for example not letting a girl play football because "it's only for boys")
The amount of people who have no idea what intersex means complaining about “oh what has the world come to we are doomed” is hilarious to me because the world is doomed but not because people are intersex but because people are so caught up in their own bigotry they can’t even see that intersex isn’t a gender identity but literally something you are born with, it’s a medical term.
@@anonymouspotato1022 well sorry im not from usa i dont know how is it there but here is southamerica only if you are on the medical field it would be rare to know about things like that
That must have been hard, I'm sorry /: this video is how it should be. It shouldn't be forcing them to be one or the other or even going so far as surgical changing them. The right will bitch and moan about "mutilating kids" by letting them transition by their own choice but wouldn't bat an eye at someone forcing a transition on an intersex baby.
Honestly this is refreshing. People born intersex should be able to choose for themselves, without anyone cutting anything off before the age of consent
I am born intersex. I didn't know until 14. Neither did my parents. Once we got concerned that i didn't get period and consulted doctor we got to know. I have CAIS( complete androgen insensitivity syndrome) which means physically u can't make out any diff between me and a normal girl. People with CAIS only figure out usually between 12 to 15.
I've heard of that! I didn't realize it was considered a form of intersex until now though, but it makes so much sense! Thank you. I learned something new today :)
@@marmar3530 what? Waking up and finding out your body isn’t what you thought it was, uncertainty about the future with potential osteoporosis (assumed she’s like us with EDs and not going to get her period with how she worded it) and any other complications must be terrifying.
I never understood why people would perform such surgeries on babies if it isn't medically necessary. I understand if not doing surgeries will risk the child's life, fine do what must be done to save the newborn. But ONLY what must be done. If the intersex child is otherwise healthy then pick a gender neutral name, and use they/them. Let them pick! And heck they might pick neither and stay they, that works too. By that logic why not just treat all kids this way and let them pick ;)
@@winterwithawhyknudsen5166 yes, however many parents have been pressured into signing off on gender surgeries for their infant. Heck many parents jump on that chance, thinking their child HAS to be a boy/girl. Many people refuse to see beyond what's in someone's pants, so if the child is born with something that mostly resembles a penis/vag then the parent may decide to authorize a surgery to remove undescended testies, or other surgeries to make the genitals better fit with male/female anatomy. When Republicans cry about sex assignment surgeries being done on children, it's not actually happening on underage trans teenagers like they claim, it's happening to infant intersex children who have no ability to consent.
That's exactly what I thought, as well. I guess I'm more out of the loop on these things than I thought. But at least I can admit that, work to correct and know better moving forward, unlike phobes.
@@pahlefam First of all, all terms and words are made up. Literally how languages are made. Secondly, intersex it's what it's called in biology when a person is born with physical sex characteristics of both biological sexes. Most cases of intersexuality are mild and fairly invisible, so the estimate in exactly HOW many babies are born with some form of intersexuality is a pretty wide margin and estimated to somewhere around 0.5-1%. The cases where intersex people fall so in the middle of the two biological sexes that you literally can't say that they're either sex are very few, but do in fact exist. If you had an intersex child with this predicament it would be incredibly cruel(maybe borderline insane is more accurate) to choose to flip a coin, have surgery on them and hope you got it right. If it's not a genuine health complication, it's better to just wait and let them grow into who they're supposed to be(which will happen regardless of what you do, they'll just be miserable if you manage to make the wrong choice) and let them choose if they want anything done to alter their body. If you can't medically motivate making surgical changes to a child's body, you probably shouldn't be making them in the first place.
@@KattReen correction: as i’m intersex. intersex people do not always have both genitals. it’s actually rare to have full hemaphroditism. usually we just have different chromosomes or secondary sex characteristics/hormones that do not align with one sex or the other. :)
As a biologist, there are so many ignorant people on here that don’t know enough about biology to be saying anything against this. The human genome is not as static and stable as people think, and people can be born intersex from different genetic conditions. For example: Kleinfelter syndrome, in which the individual has XXY sex chromosomes. The X chromosome is duplicated but there is also a Y chromosome. Another example: Jacobs syndrome, which has an extra Y chromosome. Genetic mutations occur ALL the time. These conditions can present physically with both male and female characteristics in the individual. The terms “woman” and “man” have social roles behind them based off the biological sex of “female” and “male”, but GUESS WHAT: if you have characteristics of both, you might struggle to find which one you identify with because you look like neither a cis woman nor a cis man. People need to really educate themselves.
Intersex is a medical condition where you have both female and male features most commonly in hormones such as having both x and Y chromosomes which result in having female or male appearance and the physical strength or inner biology like muscle mass of the other
@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 From what I can tell with what I looked up androgynous just refers to the lgbtq+ community. There’s non binary which is when a person chooses not to be a gender but intersex just refers to being born with both male and female parts
@@kiterina8621 which is a sex, and is also a gender because it’s a form of identity. I don’t believe in the 50 something genders but it’s ignorant to pretend intersex isn’t one.
@Emma_aesthetic609 mmm yes I cant wait to see people being burned at the stake for being a woman who knows how to read or just being a woman who doesnt fit the "female standard" mmm and I cant wait to see people hung for loving who they love and being who they are, also, you do realize that trans people have existed for as long as we can tell right? like the native americans have had it (trans/not conforming to man woman) in their culture for as long as they have had culture and infact a bunch of cultures (not just native americans but cultures in africa, the Sammi, and more)
@@DeathnoteBB because they dont like the idea that a medical condition is boiled down to a gender identity. there are tons of gender identities and its easy for labels to get lost in the sea of them, you're seeing things that aren't there because honestly nobody cares if this person said "a gender identity" or "some 'gender identity'" because their point is intersex isnt a gender or something you can transition/present as, how they feel about the concept of gender identity is irrelevant here.
@@DeathnoteBB thats not what they meant, they mean people use it as and called it a “gender identity” when it’s not and its a medical condition youre born with, not a gender preference they never showed disdain to a gender identity, theyre simply saying people call it that
It's funny how the same people who say a teenager isn't old enough to tell they're trans are the same people who agree to gender surgery on intersex NEWBORNS
Lmfao wait till they find out there literally scientifically is more than 2 sexes. But that would take them actually learning something, so I wouldn't hold my breath 💀
@@Oliviaandtrina EDIT2: So I can make this REALLY clear: I know intersex people exist. My descriptions for biological sex were incredibly callous, and removed from the reality of people's experiences. I'm still struggling to say move away from: "There are 2 biological sexes, male and female; Intersex phenotypes display mixed features of the 2 biological sexes" but I'm not sure another reply will help - most of them have reiterated the same points as previous replies. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply, and to read this. Hope you have a good day! ---------------- Original commet: What? Are there animal species that have more than two biological sexes? ---------------- Edit1: Before you reply to this comment, you might be interested to read the thread below. Included within it are details about human biological sex, intersex conditions, and the amazingly varied ways animals may present biological sex. It features comments from a biomedical sciences student (me), an extended biology student, an amateur entomologist, and Trina, who I had originally replied to. If you do reply, you risk me writing an essay in response that voices both my frustration at, and love of, science. I don't shut up. You've been warned. Thanks for reading, have a good day!
@@Oliviaandtrina Edit: PLEASE see the edits on my previous comment before you reply to/read this comment. ------------ Apologies, but I’m not sure I understand? I’m not aware of a third biological sex (or any more beyond that)? I should note that I’m a final year biomedical science student. My final year research project is related to the mechanisms of autoimmunity, which biological sex plays a role in. I’ve not be introduced to any further biological sexes than the ones labelled male and female… But I will admit that scientists are often slow on the uptake - after all, there are still textbooks and peer-reviewed articles using gender and sex interchangeably (a fact I find quite frustrating). So if you have more information on the additional biological sexes, I’d really appreciate it
@@thewheekingrodent so yes there are intersex people, people who are neither male or female. They can have sex organs/features from both, or just chromosomal makeups that don't align with male or female. So biologically they are non binary, since they are neither male or female. Like the original commenter has Kleinfelter which means they have XXY, so an extra X that a bio male wouldn't have. In other species there are intersex and also hermaphrodites which have all sex parts, or can turn into either sex, and even reproduce with themselves. Unfortunately for humans often if a baby is born intersex with sex organs from both sexes the parents will surgically transition the baby and raise them as one sex or the other. But about 1-2 percent of the population is born intersex. So it's rare, but really not that rare. I think we just aren't educated nearly enough about it, especially if you are in an extremely right wing area. But yes there are biologically more than 2 sexes! I'm glad you are going into the medical field with an open mind, and willingness to learn, keep at it!!
As a pediatrician, I find it sad that ignorant Americans are politicizing this issue. There are so many babies born with ambiguous genitalia which is the opposite of their XY/XX chromosomes and the many variations of diversity from so many biological factors both internal and external. People are ignorant to the science and think their opinions matter, they don’t. Leave these kids alone and stop discriminating against this minority group.
I agree. There are two big problems with the medical community here. One is that many babies with "ambiguous genetalia" externally are surgically altered. The second is that unless there is genetic testing done during pregnancy, genetic testing isn't really big here. This often leads to instances of people who are intersex going undiagnosed, such as when one has XY chromosomes but the Y stops functioning partway through. It can end up with XY's with vaginas (due to the mother's estrogen) and one or two testicles in place of ovaries. I knew a lesbian that went to have a hysterectomy done due to pain, and one of her ovaries was a testicle. She never got genetic testing done to confirm intersex happenings as far as I know and still identifies as female.
As a pediatrician you should know sex is determined by are gamates. Ova or sperm. You could have PCOS but you are supposed to be making eggs which makes you female. You could be born with both sex organs but the gamates your body is supposed to create or are creating determine your sex. Gender ideology promoted her teaches sexism. It teaches children that things in life are masculine or feminine and liking those things determine your gender. In 50 years this ideology will be laughed as a stain medical books up there with lobotomy and shock therapy. I feel sorry an EMT has to educate "doctors" on these things.
@@AdlersShadows An EMT cert takes 6 months to get. Doctorates take literal years. I suppose you didn't know that the center of the Y chromosome can pop off during gestation, meaning the male sex will stop developing. However, due to the mother's estrogen, ALL babies have vaginas in the womb before the sex chromosomes take hold as mother and baby share her blood supply. My mom had genetic testing when she was pregnant. My brother had an XY chromosome, but he also had a vagina. The ovaries turned to testicles, but nothing else happened. They called him a girl, so that we didn't have to explain intersex happenings to every new nurse or doctor we ran into (doctor's recommendation), and named him Melissa.
@@AdlersShadows I didn't think a tax preparer would have to educate an EMT on intersex issues. However, you're also not a doctor. There's proverb that goes, "You cannot fill your cup if it is already full." It means that once one has convinced themselves they know it all, they stop absorbing new information, because to them, they already have all the info that will ever be necessary. It's a rather blind malady of the mind~
And 50 years ago the doctor would have just sliced everything off without parents permission, at birth and tell the parents to just raise them as an girl (leaving the child with an lifetime of confusing feelings) - I'm glad we live in modern times.
yes. its terrible, and it still happens. i have seen people talk about that doctors gaslight the parents, even tho the baby didint need to be changed. now that person struggels with pain and other things.
@@cattycorner8 Bullshit it's not true. I went to high school with an intersex person "V" whose highly-religious grandmother decided they should be a girl, and had their penis removed at the age of 3. That was in 1970. Today "V" is the most bitter, self-defeating person I''ve ever loved. "V "wasn't ever a girl, and all the "real girls" knew it and made "V''s life a living hell just because they could. As I suspect you would.
I remember a family member of mine saying whatever god made you as, that’s what you are. They then went on to say intersex people need to choose a gender. Well, going by that logic, intersex people were created by god, weren’t they? And god chose for them to be that gender. So why are we still harassing intersex people, people of Jesus? Because you don’t care about the word of god. You care about control and what fits your narrative. Not all religious people are like this but a good majority of the people I have known follow this ignorant logic.
“How are you socializing them” As a kid? Never understood the why socializing a kid into gender roles was such a big thing. My parents just raised me and my sister like we were kids. Barbies? Cool. Dead frogs? Go wash your hands. Building and destroying legos? Awesome. Floofy skirts and tiaras? Looks great! They were shit in many, many ways but at least they never cared about making sure we were ~girls~ (we are both afab).
I'm 28 and I don't give a shit I'd play with dolls with ya today. Sometimes it can be healing to the kid inside us to get to do the things our parents never let us. Wishing ya all the best! @@aezvetys
I once read a book call “None of the Above” by I. W Gregorio ( highly recommend it’s really good) that talked about a teen girl who finds out she’s intersex after prom. It’s such a good book and explores the struggles of people who are born as intersex. It’s a real medical thing, and they struggle just as much as trans and other identities.
@@baeumchen6384 I see what you mean. I read it when I was younger so I didn’t really think too hard about it. It was kinda strange how she was able to do that. Thank you for bringing that up 😊
My mom knows someone that had an intersex child and the parents decided the same thing, to be neutral. The child is now an adult and they still continue to be neutral. 🙂
@@Mel-wn9gb they were born with biological characteristics that don't match either female or male, so to be accepted by society, many parents choose to "fix" them, there are even cases of doctors themselves twisting their wordings so much so the parents don't know what they are agreeing to and do surgery on the kid (that depends on the type of intersex of course). Staying neutral is basically not putting the kid into a box and instead letting the kid to decide by themselves. Sometime the kid just doesn't pick up on either feminine or masculine behavior traits and is more in-between.
When I have kids, I will refer to them as their birth sex but not use specific colors or toys from birth. I will educate them on gender as soon as they are old enough to understand and support them no matter what. Love this so much
That's what I have done with my kiddo, he was born a boy but had lots of interest in girl stuff when he was a wee fella and I let him explore that. He has now hit puberty and still identifies as a boy, and I think me not shoving traditional boy stuff down his throat has made him a more well rounded person in general.
I think this is how people who have intersex kids should raise them. I've seen some kids who got the surgery at birth and it turns out they were the other gender.
I think that parents should choose the more dominant gender and also don’t tell their kids that they were intersex because it would be too confusing for them to understand
@@masonm2140 Well including in my position everything is out in the open. So you don’t know what’s dominant until puberty. Secondly, not telling a child is just as bad as telling them if not worse. First off your gonna have to tell them eventually, because thats their medical history and can cause issues in the future. Not telling them can make it harder understand when they find out, because their more than likely to find out. Telling and explaining it from when their able to understand difference from a male and female child’s makes it less difficult in the future. Lastly, I know someone will suggest the surgery that makes it to where they have one gender. I personally highly suggest against it. There are so cons compared to pros.
@@masonm2140 please don’t encourage this, I’m 19 myself and JUST finding out that I have been intersex my whole life with my parents keeping this from me. All I feel is resentment and confusion because they raised as the more “physically leaning” gender, only for me to have these constant feelings of being a boy and think they were wrong. As parents, you should just tell your kids that they were born intersex (someone that isn’t a female or male) and that that’s why they may already look different or that when they get older they will develop differently. Because it’s already hard enough knowing you are different, but to not have your parents supporting you? It’ll feel so much worse
a concept like this would never be “confusing” to kids…it’s only confusing to adults who believe in strict gender norms….kids don’t care unless you MAKE them care lol
I mean, in this case the child is intersex so it makes sense to raise them neutrally because they can't even base it from their genitals (Wich doesn't define gender but still)
@@orcslaughterer6972 oh poor conservative who's afraid of children learning about love and themselves, so scary right, shouldn't teach that to children 😰😰😰
All these LGBTQ-phobes getting mad over these lovely parents caring for their child (who is BIOLOGICALLY neither firmly Male or Female) makes me laugh Like.. waa waaa goo goo ga ga ya lil hater, go cry to mommy over people being people Seethe and cope, ya phobes
@@politicallyincorrect956 Go sob about my existence. I spit in the face of normality. The "truth" you say is no more true than me saying "The sky is blue because of microscopic pidgeons." Penguins are known to form gay pairings despite females being present. There is an entire species of Lesbian Geckos. And one day, you will be met with whatever higher being decided it was a good idea to put you on this mortal plane, and you will have to justify the space that you filled.
I remember in a psy class I took, we watched a video about intersex people and how there were (and probably still are) doctors that believe one should raise an intersex child as a boy because 'it'll be easier later'. Which is terrible and disgusting on several levels, but the video went on further to talk about how there were doctors that straight up lied to the parents and told them that their child was either a boy or a girl. Nothing else. Which like. Even more disgusting all around.
@@mki_kitlof psychology classes call out their predecessors by educating students in the mistakes that were made in the name of psychology too. I’d bet it was a very enriching class.
Actually it's the opposite. It had been common medical practice to surgically alter intersex babies to be female as it is an easier surgery to perform a penectomy. All this was based on the idea that a "man" couldn't function properly with a micropenis. So let's just make him a girl & "she'll" never know that she is ACTUALLY a male. Well, that was proven wrong time & time again when these children said they were actually males. These surgical procedures were being done sometimes with but sometimes without the parents' consent. They were being led to believe that it was only external factors that determined gender.
@@1970Mom didn't they cut of the "penis" and didn't turn it into a clit because girls don't need to feel sexual pleasure. and they asked no one prior to the surgeries
The surgery should be up to the child anyway unless its deemed medically necessary. No point in a cosmetic decision by a person who wont need to live with it
Or when they just do genital mutilation on intersex youth in general, like cutting off parts of their phallus to make it “normal” looking or even taking their testes
as an intersex person whose condition did not present until puberty, I would like to point out the fact that there are approximately zero downsides to just doing this by default
@Ingoc can't be any more confusing than knowing your gender in your head but mommy telling everyone, including you, that you're wrong. also, what do you mean "everyone else around them knows their gender"? small children are small children. i would know, i work around them. literally the only thing telling boy toddler apart from girl toddler oftentimes is how they're dressed
@@queeraustraliantheaterkid Already did honey. You just happen to answer to one of many lol And dw I'm gay so- "boo straight thankfully I'm not that, right?"
The amount of people who choose to complain about anything LGBTQ+ without any prior knowledge is becoming VERY apparent from the comments section. Intersex does not mean gender neutral. It means the child has a DSD - they are not biologically male or female, they are often somewhere in between. This could mean having a child with XY chromosomes but a vagina or, in some rare instances, the child being born with a vagina and testicles or an ovotestis. This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with physical biology. If a child is biologically not completely male or completely female, it makes sense to refer to them as "they" until they become old enough to figure out which part of their biology they might like to adopt as their dominant physical gender through surgeries and the like.
Being raised as a specific gender despite being intersex had ruined my idea of gender and sex and left me confused and fighting with my mind and body / presentation . I am very happy that parents do this
You were born with a medical condition, it doesn’t make you literally neither a man or a woman. The majority of intersex people still have identifiable markers as to which sex they are more of. Hence why it is fixed.
I was born intersex and was operated on before I could even speak for myself, so now I’m in the process of transitioning, I wish parents were rational like this, woulda saved me and a lot of kids
Although in this day and age it’s the right call, not that long ago, regular gay people were being bullied , discriminated against and murdered. Transgender or anything in the grey area were viewed as total freaks to society. The suicide rate was crazy high. Some parents just didn’t know, and definitely for the kids best interest at heart, they chose the easiest choice (it the reproductive organs looked more female they went female etc) . I’m sorry you are in the position of now having to transition; however you may have dodged a major bullet by being raised one clear gender (depending on your age) and esp if you were raised female and transitioning to male, reconstructive penile technology was pretty much in its infancy years ago. The doc may have mutilated your genitals or prevented you from ever O’ing again.
i know someone who was born intersex and their parents raised them as a girl. caused them a lot of issues and confusion growing up which could have been avoided… especially considering they’re parents didn’t tell them till they were 16.
I really like this! I had an intersex classmate and when I was educating some people about gender terms line AFAB or A MAN they piped up to educate the entire classroom about intersex and even give us a peek into being intersex because we're intersex! I learned that day that the term "hermaphrodite" (commonly used for intersex people) is actually not a term for humans but rather other animals and plants. When they were born, there was no intersex option on the birth certificate yet and it caused them a lot of problems when enrolling into the college and they also struggle with the gendered bathrooms. Because they have a but of both in them but they had been estrogen for a majority of their life but now they're coming off of it so if they use the male bathroom they get strange looks but if they use the female bathroom they also get strange looks. They also informed us that the wheelchair access buttons on campus don't work! So I've never wanted to advocate for a people and person so badly
I'd do the same if my child was on the intersex spectrum. The only times I would surgically lean one way or another is -If the condition proposed a serious health risk during development -When the child is dead set on a particular gender and sex Otherwise just teach them to love themselves for what makes them unique. I had to learn that by myself the hard way
People forget that being intersex is a medical condition. “Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of “female” or “male.”” It can even be chromosomal or hormonal. As in, an intersex person is neither biologically male NOR female, so raising them as gender neutral is the best bet. Why? Because you don’t know how they’re going to look when they’re older. If you raise them as a he but they actually turn out to look more feminine, that’s not going to work - and vice versa. It’s actually best to wait till puberty to see how they end up presenting.
Not to mention the simple fact that their gender identity is not strictly tied to their sex characteristics and you don't know how they will identify later anyway? As is the case with, y'know, everybody. Raising any child as a "he" or a "she" and trying to force gendered roles or characteristics on them, assuming their personal identity will never change or deviate from what you arbitrarily assigned them isn't a very smart parenting decision regardless of whether or not your child is intersex.
I just went to a dentist recently presenting full fem, clothing and all, and put my preferred name as Chloe. (As gender, I unfortunately put male only because medications / dosages can be biologically critical) but without me even telling any of the dentists they referred to me as She/Her the entire time and it made me feel so awesome and valid! Then my mom, who I was with at the time, just HAD to confuse them all by using my wrong pronouns. :/
I wish my dentist did that so that way I can interrupt my mother before she says anything like: “He/They and my name is Samual!” Just to prove a point that she has been ignoring for almost I wanna say 2-4 months around?
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Yeah this is the right decision for sure. A friend from school was intersex and socialised as a woman- and was consequently devestated to learn at 12 that she couldn’t ever carry kids, and she wanted to be a mom some day ( still uses she / her )
What a concept. 25 years ago I was taking the psychology of human sexuality class at college and they had already known that the children who were born intersex and surgically altered towards a gender and raised according to that gender, almost always were unhappy with the assigned gender when they grew up.
You can't be born intersex. You are born as one of the only 2 existing genders. I don't see no intersexual monkeys, we humans, another type of animal we follow the biological laws other animals follow, some of use are just retarded
My parents let me play with dinosaurs as a kid. They were totally ok with me having no interest in dolls. My mom said she asked me why I didn't like dolls as a kid, and I was like, " mon, why would I want to play with Plastic people? That's boring 🧐"
I think this is very important. Raising intersex children as an especific gender could cause dysphoria, right? In case they don't identify as the gender you choose, they might feel very, very bad, just like a trans person would (and they could be trans). So... Yeah, that's a great great choice in my opinion.
@@devent10n because it doesn’t need to happen if you don’t enforce gender stereotypes on your children. It’s unnecessary and just confuses your children. Plus boys and girls are inherently different even at a young age, so I don’t see why forcing them to be lumped together would solve anything, since 98% of people end up identifying with their biological sex for the rest of their lives.
@@xxxmaysilssss690 If you aren't enforcing gender stereotypes you kind of are raising your child gender neutrally. It's not confusing, it's just telling kids that there are no activities, colors, or behaviors that only a certain gender should do. It's harmless and widens the scope of what a child can believe they're capable of.
For some of you in the comments, you’re opinion on pronouns is your own, and i don’t care, think what you wanna think, but intersex is a literally medical condition that children are born with, learn before commenting 💗
Yes let's let the child be confused. So what toys will they play with? What narrative will you choose for them since the parents won't go with biology? This is not letting a kid be a kid. Kids are still learning. This is a failure on the parents part.
Gotta say it really sucked when my dad wouldnt let me do "boy" things like work on the car simply because i was a girl. I just wanted to connect with him and spend time with him.
Intersex is a touchy issue in general. not cause of the gender stuff allone. But mainly the health issues these children face. I think many oversee their general health concerns also mentally. So letting parents say ... we want them to be gender neutral and decide for themselves is vital for their mental health.
I have an intersex friend. Not sure how he grew up, but he identifies fully as a guy. He’s really fun and works as an animator; something I really want to do when I’m older and employed!
I’m intersex. Raised as a male. Luckily my parents didn’t get it wrong as I still identify as one. But I’m also gay and my girl hormones came out as stronger. But people get mad at work (I’m a teacher) when my name says “Mr.”
Idk if I will have children, but if I do, I'd probably refer to them as the gender they're assigned at birth, but let them play with any toys they want, no matter their gender ^^
@@whowroteholdencaulfieldNot always. There are many different combinations of male and female traits that can exist in an intersex person. And it's not always easy to "tell" which one they will identify closer with.
@@yungdaggerdick6257 oh, i found you spreading hate again! please remove yourself from the replies of these wholesome comments before i shove the spooky gay agenda unto you. 👻
@@cassandrakruggel Imagine you’re a boy but u have some feminine parts. Your parents wanted you to get surgery but they also wanted a girl so they remove your male parts instead of your feminine ones. You’re still a boy and you act like a boy and not having those male parts is weird to you. Getting surgery doesn’t change you’re brain, it’s not magic. But your parents wanted a girl so they just keep on telling you that you’re a girl and that you have to act like one. But that’s so uncomfortable for you and frustrating and you don’t want to pretend you’re a girl when you’re not. That’s pretty much how every non-cis person feels. So yeah waiting it off and then finding out what the kid actually is first is really important.
I used to be a transphobe. But i eventually combatted my biases and learned to empathize with others. I love my trans homies and hope that the people who are leaving the hateful comments come around and remove the volatile thoughts they carry
PSA: intersex is not a sexual preference or “identity”. You are born intersex. An example would be someone born with a penis, but also a uterus and ovaries. Or a vagina and internal testicles. Give intersex a Google, there are many different physical aspects that make one intersex, but it is not simply a way you identify. Hence, imo, this is the perfect way to socialize your intersex kiddo! Let them decide when they are old enough, what they want to be referred to as.
@@rachelvieira397 i'm going to hazard a guess as a cishet girl and say that the point of LGBTQ+ is to encompass EVERY defining trait relating to gender, sex or sexuality that doesn't quite fit the norm. lots of intersex people have issues related to gender as parents tend to raise them as one or the other and they often choose the wrong one. it's doubly bad if non-consensual surgical intervention was involved. if anyone who is actually part of the community has an answer that makes more sense than mine, i'm open to correction. this is just what i understood from the general discussion.
It's always amazed me how people are so against trans kids and the "altering " of them yet we still routinely operates on and decides for intersex infants who they are Despite many adult intersex people speaking out against it
@@The1stImmortal no, but it does discuss the social push to decide for intersex children what their gender identity is before they're old enough to express it themselves And as a carry on for that parents are often encouraged by medical professionals to operate on intersex infants and raise them as girls because it's medically easier to create female genitalia
@@naomimoran5564 IMHO what is occurring in the video is the common sexist belief that being a boy or a girl determines how you should interact with others. It is at best a rough predictor, not a determinant. Describing a child as a boy or a girl is independent of socializing the child, and definitely independent of anything the child expresses.
@@The1stImmortal But that kid is neither a boy nor a girl, that's the entire point. Raising intersex kids as a gender that the parents or doctors randomly chose is proven to be incredibly detrimental to their mental health.
@@enielfblerta428 the problem here is "gender" has multiple meanings. If you impose a bunch of expectations on a child because of sexist stereotypes about what a boy or a girl "should" be like then yeah it's gonna be harmful. Don't do that, whether your kid is intersex or not. If you allow the kid to be themselves, whatever that ends up being, but simply describe them as a boy or a girl based on biology, then there's nothing there to cause harm.
if your kid is intersex (or any other sex/gender), it is absolutely your job to support them the best you can. when they are old enough to understand (as in, maybe early-mid elementary school), you can explain to them about their condition and that they can identify as whatever they want to be
This reminded me of the episode of House MD we're they treated an intersex kid and the parents chose to raise them as an boy but also feared they'd made the wrong choice the whole time. Never told the kid and ended up being the reason the kid nearly died by insisting on unnecessary testing. House ends up telling them "You gave birth to a freak of nature. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to treat him like one." Which while yes is kinda harsh (especially in front of the kid who's only recently learned about his condition). It's exactly what the parents needed to hear.
what pisses me off is i was born intersex, my parents never told me and raised "or tried" to raise me as a boy, i found out a few years ago since im an adult now and do my own medical appointments that im intersex. im a transgender women now because i never felt or agree with being a guy.
@@BrookieTheCookie_ I’m actually not abro, I’m bi. My friend is though and I wanted them to see it if it got done. They’re constantly on about watermelons lol 🍉 😂
This is a great time to bring up the Intersex Justice Project and the fact that hospitals in the US and UK and others do involuntary surgery on intersex children to make them "normal", sometimes without even telling the parents, as a standard procedure. Many don't, many ask and some do nothing, but its still a huge problem
Most 'intersex' people are either Male (XY) or Female (XX) but have genetic/developmental disorders that cause them to superficially resemble a different sex. There's a subset of 'intersex' people that have specific genetic disorders like Klinefelter's syndrome that give them abnormal chromosome counts. The fact that some individuals may possess genetic disorders giving them abnormal chromosome counts does not contest the fact sex is binary anymore than people born without legs contests the fact that humans are bipedal. So basically you're talking about genetic disorders affecting a fraction of a percent of a fraction of a percent. The normal practise in classifying such individuals is simply to 'round to whatever is easiest for society' or 'makes the most logical sense based on the way the disorder works' for instance Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXY) occurs when a regular male (XY) has a genetic disorder resulting in an extra X chromosome so (logically) we refer to them as XXY males.
the majority of biologists admit, sex is not binary. It is *bimodal* . There are an assortment of sexual characteristics, tied to one direction or another, and two statistical averages. The Male Mode, and the Female Mode. In between, you have a valley that is neither, 200 million people with intersex traits, chromosomal mosaicism, variated chromosomal makeup, and plenty more. A father was found to have an ovary that had even produced eggs. There is no clear line, and these individuals explicitly disprove binary sex in favor of the scholarly accepted bimodal model.
@@Jeewanu216 False, the overwhelming majority of biologists maintain that sex binary (a biologist who thinks sex is not binary is akin to a flat-earth geologist). Furthermore, Biologists when referring to adults will typically use gender and sex terms interchangeably even in their published work. Man = Adult Human Male (XY Chromosomes). Woman = Adult Human Female (XX Chromosomes). Any other Chromosomal arrangement = Genetic defect. Genetic defects do not contest the fact human sex is binary anymore than 'people born without legs' contest the fact humans as a species are bipedal.
Until puberty comes an intersex child may not have a distinct gender or may end up favoring the opposite gender they favored before. Partially developed testes can start producing testosterone, ovaries can mature and menses can start. Features can become feminine or masculine or neither thing happens and the child maintains an ambiguous gender because neither presenting genitalia matures. This is why the battle for neutrality in gender is so important. This is not simply about trans people "picking" or choosing a gender. Sometimes there isn't a choice and making policy that penalizes trans people existing hurts people who are intersex and have no choice
You know, learning about intersexed people in college is the thing that actually changed my mind about the LGBTQIA+ community in general. As a Christian, it’s always been something that I wasn’t sure how to feel about. I didn’t have an issue with them, but internally I struggled. But then I learned that people are literally born genetically as carrying both male and female chromosomes…… mind blown! Suddenly I understood. WE ARE BORN THIS WAY! I’m 30 and I came out as being a part of the LGBTQIA community on June 1st ♥️ I never gave myself a label when I came out because it doesn’t matter. That’s between me and my journey and who I decide to be with ☺️
@@jellyelf6399 that is, because, unfortunately, a lot of Christians hold homophobic beliefs. I'm also really happy to hear some people in the LGBTQIA+ community are also christian. Gives me hope for a more inclusive society in the future
That’s amazing! I’m so happy for you ❤️ it really sucks that so many homophobic Christians have made us look like homophobes, as part of the community I just wanna say great job and I’m so proud of you!!
I actually had a friend in high school who was born intersex and he was raised completely as a girl his entire childhood until he decided to functionally become a trans man upon leaving high school because it was the only way he could be a man in peace without being bothered about it
I think what people need to do is change how they raise their kid in base of what the kid wants, for example: A boy is born, you raise him using he/him pronouns, buy him just toys he likes, not necessarily "boy" nor "girl" toys, just the ones the kid is inclined to and likes (when he starts showing interest, when he's a baby you just buy him baby toys) and _if_ they start experimenting with their bodies or you notice a change, you go with it, you don't tell them they're a boy or a girl or anything like that because that's for them to decide, there's a chance he won't even transition or decide he's nit a boy, but letting them experiment and support them with their choice is the best thing you can do :] This is what i thimk should happen, after all, the only difference i think there is when parenting a girl or a boy is the clothes that feel comfortable :b everything else is just what they like as they grow up :T
Agreed. Gender norms/roles make shit way more complicated than things need to be. I started questioning my gender because of them, because I hated pretty much all traditionally feminine things, but I didn't feel uncomfortable with being viewed as a female, but I was absolutely completely uncomfortable with the expectations associated with it. I finally came to the realization that I'm not trans, I just have very few traditionally "feminine" interests. You can be any gender and like any kind of thing. Of course trans identities are still 100% valid, but I think there would be a lot less people experiencing gender related issues if we didn't have such strict socializations for boys vs girls.
Wait… aren’t we talking about hermaphroditism? So why is everyone getting pissy about raising a child gender neutral in this medical situation? You have to let the child grow and they will learn if they are really male or female. We are talking about something medical. Not just making stuff up to confuse the child. In the past a lot of children were operated on as babies and it was easier to turn them into girls. And “condition” and raise the child as such. BUT… only to get if wrong a lot of the time. This would be torture to have both genders… know you’re a boy… but a doctor cut you to make you female only because it was the “easier” thing to do. There is no reason to do such a thing!!!
EXACTLY. The people in this comment section act like we want to do this to all kids when really it’s the best option for intersex children to be raised gender neutral
Intersex kids deserve the right to make decisions about their bodies from birth to adulthood, and no one should be making those decisions for them except in regards to parents and doctors maintaining the child’s health. So many intersex babies were operated on when it was medically unnecessary, and that’s an ethical failure on the part of doctors. It needs to stop.
I recently changed my name to Jay because I am transgender and I was aiming for a slightly more masculine yet also gender neutral name. This made me so happy seeing it being used!!
@@ayyymacaronihow dare you make such a falsely innacurate small minded insensitive statement? there are more than 2 genders and everyone gets to choose what and who they wanna be!!
Exactly!! After all that kid is going to school and all. Save them a few bullying situations If doing that. People just think for themselves and not for the best of that kid here...
@@Emo9877 But that's the thing, what are they? They are intersex and don't have an especific sex assigned. What does the parent raise them as, a boy or a girl?
@@Emo9877 Yes but some have mixed, intersex is being born one way with different gentiles. Some intersex people have XXY chromosomes or even have XX chromosomes with outside male genitals.
I remember reading an story about an single mom from 40 years ago. Her only child-son was born with only one testicle. Doctors were afraid it was going to develop cancer (even though testicle cancer was not in her family history), so they cut if off in the birthing room without telling the young mom. She crawled off the birthing bed and stopped them from cutting off his penis too - they said he wouldn't need it now anyway, and it would be easier to raise him as an girl, because girls are easier and she was only an single mom. This happened in USA, she tired to sue but it don't work out because they shamed her for being an single mom.
@@jarlnils435 that's something determined by biology. Now, I don't remember all of the cases but I think people with X0 or XXY chromosomes might be considered intersex since they have sexual traits which differ from people with the "standard" XY or XX pairs of chromosomes. They might have less developed genitalia or lack ovaries/uterus etc, it depends on the case.
@@elisa4514 that makes more sense. I'm german, sometimes I get confused with english terms. Even more so, because american and british english is often so different.
You mean you're not making a wild 50/50 guess? I knew someone whose parents made the wrong choice andshe had a very difficult life. It's a shame people didn't figure this out back in 1975. Shelly would still be here. (She chose to identify as what she had a choice)
These comments are so dumb omg- intersex isn't a gender identity it's how they're is physically born People need to do research before having an opinion on things they don't understand
Raising an intersex child as any particular gender before their hormones develop CAN be dangerous, because their hormones could potentially influence how they feel about their body!
Hormones change the way a lot of people feel about their bodies? Biological females and males experience feeling uncomfortable with their bodies so weather jay was male or female chances are this would happen anyway
@@sunday_shake2007 I know, but that's exactly why you WAIT. You wait and see because for an intersex child you can't even BEGIN to know. Majority bio female/male stay cis. I would know, I am intersex and nonbinary :)
@@sunday_shake2007it is common for intersex people to have problems with hormones because unlike bio females and males it’s possible that they could have different things going on during puberty, like getting a period and also growing facial hair. It’s best to just wait until the child is old enough to decide for themself
When I was a student nurse in the early 1980’s we had a new born come to our baby unit who was intersex. The surgical consultants asked the parents what sex they would like to ‘make’ the baby, the parents didn’t know how to answer and I remember the consultant saying ‘ it’s easier to make it a girl’ which they duly did. Thank goodness times are changing!
my mothers friend had an intersex child which they decided to surgically change to a girl, and as they have grown up they physically look and feel like a boy. it definitely should be left to the individual as it can cause both sexual, physical and mental issues.
I'm not intersex or know anyone who is personally... but I think its wrong to do the operation to assign a sex at a young age, before the child can even confirm what their gender is. They might not even want an opperation at all even. It doesn't make sense to me that other people feel like they should make a HUGE ireversible decision like that (that can have the consequence of making them infertile too) for someone else, just for "aesthetic" reasons. Its really not going to hurt your baby to leave them as is for a few years. No one is going to care about your baby's genetitals.
I think you missed the point? The child was born with a sex mutation where their biology is a mixture of female and male biology. The parents decided to not force the child into a box and let them figure out who they wanna be. That includes sexuality as well, gay parents won’t disown their kids for being straight lmao
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For those who don't know:
Intersex is not a "gender identity," it is deviation or variation separate from typical Male and Female biological processes and anatomies. There are many different ways someone can be intersex - chromosomal, anatomical, and hormonal, for example - but all of them are scientifically separate from what constitutes a typical biological Male or Female. As such, raising them using gender neutral terms - the way a parent may use masculine terms for a male child or feminine terms for a female child - is perfectly understandable and well within that parent's rights.
This should b pinned
I tried to bring it up in school as a kid. My neighbour was intersex, I was not familiar with it so I googled it. The DNA variations and all. I was made fun of in 7th grade…
“They are not my brother or sister, just sibling”
They only lived in the rented house for a year before moving
You got a dick you are a man you got tits and a vagina you a woman it is not hard. If you think you are neither or "trans" then you should probably see a psychiatrist and seek help for your issues. Parents who push their agendas on their children should have their children taken away and adults who push their agenda on children in their care should not be allowed around children.
How will a kid decide how he identifies if he is not raised as a boy or a girl? He will have no idea what on earth is he.
@@pomyata_myata well at first that's kinda the point, the kid is neither male nor female. But as they grow older, they'll probably come to realise which gender expression, pronouns, etc. they feel most comfortable in.
It’s funny seeing the comments assuming “intersex” isn’t an actual medical condition that you’re born with and thinking this video is of someone saying their child is intersex as a gender fluid type thing and being like “no don’t do that, raise it as it’s biological sex” but it’s literally, physically, biologically both or neither sexes.
Or how some people say "well intersex is still male or female"
Which they just don't know what intersex is.
Like most intersex will have xy or xx. But they won't fit other criteria for that sex.
Like why should chromoses be more important in indetifying sex than genes or anatomy?
And also there are intersex people who will have two types of chromosomes too.
it’s not biologically borg sexes, it’s just how they feel, nothing physical about it.
Ana Nas, of they are both male and female, it’s a hermaphrodite.
@@djdreem8417 you do know it’s a physical thing right? Hormones, chromosomes, and parts of the body are all affected. And that the term “hermaphrodite” is just an older term for intersex, you know that right?
@@djdreem8417 you literally don't know what you're talking about, so why do you bother to comment on something you don't know about?
People not realizing intersex is actually physical
Excactly it depends on the chromosomes
@@pibawww Intersex defies chromosomes.
Right, which is why this video is obviously pushing an LGBTQRS TUV WXYZ+++++----two spirit three spirit four spirit agenda with the big rainbow flag. Who exactly do you think you people are fooling? I mean, other than yourselves.
I think they always have a dominant gender though
Unlike other fake genders
This intersex thing is not a gender it's actually unnatural phenomenon
Honestly one of the worst things intersex people face is involuntary surgery at birth. Doctors will often HEAVILY recommend operating on an intersex newborn to be "solely male or female". This could involve removing undescended testicles, removing ovaries, just very serious life-changing surgeries in general that can have lifetime consequences on the person's health, all because "oh, they should be one or the other"
Also you could simply get it wrong, and the person identifies with the opposite gender.
My opinion is, unless a child’s condition is life threatening/will affect their quality of life majorly, they shouldn’t have to go through surgery without their consent.
@@ashtaylor4107 yep. like if the genitalia situation causes issues with the urinary tract etc., that 100% should be fixed. otherwise it's messed up to be performing what is essentially a cosmetic surgery on an infant.
@@PossumByNight and i think is even weirder to perform a sexual cosmetic surgery on a child, why are you concerned about how this kid genitalia looks like
My husband and I discussed this while I was pregnant. We agreed that if we had an intersex child, we'd fight tooth and nail to let THEM decide when they were ready. We even had a few gender neutral names ready. Simply because my family has a history of intersex births. And what happened to my older family members, who had someone else assign their gender for them was heartbreaking. I wasn't going to do that to my own child. I wish it was better explained and talked about. It's not something to be hidden away and ashamed of. It just IS. It needs to be normalized.
My friend was born intersex and their birth parents tried to “fix” them and then gave them up after. They identify as gender fluid and use whatever pronouns they feel like. Their new parents are awesome and got them on hormones that they wanted in the dose they felt comfortable at as they couldn’t produce hormones naturally.
that's cool!
@FantasyWork they are intersex so they are both. So all pronouns, they/them is their go to, but they don’t mind any pronouns as they have said they are genderfluid.
But nice try trying to misgender them. They got a laugh out of it.
@FantasyWork no. They are intersex and gender fluid. “They” is both a singular and plural pronoun. You learn this stuff in elementary school.
@FantasyWork ok.
You know “they” isn’t an adjective, right? It’s a pronoun.
Edit: spelling mistake
@FantasyWork it’s great to have great self esteem and confidence in yourself.
Honestly children in general, intersex or not, should be raised the same way. It's so stupid to force kids to play with certain toys for example. Just let the kid be.
No they shouldn't. The development of boys and girls is quite different and they have different needs.
Example for this includes:
Boys mentally grow up slower than girls and due to testosteron giving them more energy and the need to spend it, they require more productive outlets for it than girls do. Not giving them that will make them aggressive.
Also, during puberty due to more radical growth spurts, certain internal systems of boys need to rearange themselves and can cause hearing and balance issues.
Currently, boys are held to the standard of girls in schools, which is why so many get misdiagnosed with adhd.
@@Sultschiem get out of here with your prager u argument
@@Sultschiem (ffs stop replying to this comment I've had enough)
I think they were talking more about things like "girls only play with dolls and wear skirts and boys play with cars and play football". Just raising kids differently because of their gender (so for example not letting a girl play football because "it's only for boys")
Wishful thinking.
Agreed. While we use she and he for our kids, we don’t restrict what they where or play with.
The amount of people who have no idea what intersex means complaining about “oh what has the world come to we are doomed” is hilarious to me because the world is doomed but not because people are intersex but because people are so caught up in their own bigotry they can’t even see that intersex isn’t a gender identity but literally something you are born with, it’s a medical term.
The video didnt neither try to explain what is intersex and that is a medical condition but yeah people jump to conclusion very fast
@@Literallyryangosling777 it’s pretty common knowledge I feel like
@@anonymouspotato1022 well sorry im not from usa i dont know how is it there but here is southamerica only if you are on the medical field it would be rare to know about things like that
Ok so maybe you could explain intersex to me in a simplified way please 😅
@@dark_angel7162 people born with both male and female traits
This is much better than no one telling me until I was 12.
Dear god
and better than the parents that decide to chop off or reconstruct one of the genitalia if they end up having two genitalia
That must have been hard, I'm sorry /: this video is how it should be. It shouldn't be forcing them to be one or the other or even going so far as surgical changing them. The right will bitch and moan about "mutilating kids" by letting them transition by their own choice but wouldn't bat an eye at someone forcing a transition on an intersex baby.
Did people know?
Nobody told me until I was 18. Imagine my shock lol. Still sucks that they knew for all that time and didn't say anything.
Honestly this is refreshing. People born intersex should be able to choose for themselves, without anyone cutting anything off before the age of consent
They also need raising by parents who know what they’re doing. How are toddlers supposed to choose for themselves?
☣️☣️ how about we gas them 💀
@@H.K.5that’s why they are waiting till jay is older to decide
I am born intersex. I didn't know until 14. Neither did my parents. Once we got concerned that i didn't get period and consulted doctor we got to know. I have CAIS( complete androgen insensitivity syndrome) which means physically u can't make out any diff between me and a normal girl. People with CAIS only figure out usually between 12 to 15.
I've heard of that! I didn't realize it was considered a form of intersex until now though, but it makes so much sense!
Thank you. I learned something new today :)
I'm screenshotting this so I can actually remember that I learned something cool today ✨️
That's sad to hear, i hope you're okay
@@lostindisorder wtf is this comment 😭
@@marmar3530 what? Waking up and finding out your body isn’t what you thought it was, uncertainty about the future with potential osteoporosis (assumed she’s like us with EDs and not going to get her period with how she worded it) and any other complications must be terrifying.
I never understood why people would perform such surgeries on babies if it isn't medically necessary. I understand if not doing surgeries will risk the child's life, fine do what must be done to save the newborn. But ONLY what must be done. If the intersex child is otherwise healthy then pick a gender neutral name, and use they/them. Let them pick! And heck they might pick neither and stay they, that works too. By that logic why not just treat all kids this way and let them pick ;)
@@millersam07 they never said they were doing any surgeries
@@winterwithawhyknudsen5166 yes, however many parents have been pressured into signing off on gender surgeries for their infant. Heck many parents jump on that chance, thinking their child HAS to be a boy/girl. Many people refuse to see beyond what's in someone's pants, so if the child is born with something that mostly resembles a penis/vag then the parent may decide to authorize a surgery to remove undescended testies, or other surgeries to make the genitals better fit with male/female anatomy. When Republicans cry about sex assignment surgeries being done on children, it's not actually happening on underage trans teenagers like they claim, it's happening to infant intersex children who have no ability to consent.
@@millersam07 that’s so gross
@@winterwithawhyknudsen5166pretty sure this person is talking about intersex surgeries and possibly circumcision
@@mewmere6069 this is unethical FOR A CHILD
I would have taken that socializing question like - We have preschool twice a week, and Gymboree every Fri, signing up for swim next week.
That's exactly what I thought, as well.
I guess I'm more out of the loop on these things than I thought.
But at least I can admit that, work to correct and know better moving forward, unlike phobes.
That's where I thought this was going, as a bit of sass. But it was just realistic instead
Me too lol
same
Same lol
People in this comment section don't seem to know what intersex means.
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Because is a made up fake term. Lmao
@@pahlefam and yet again, somebody who doesnt even know what it means.
@@pahlefam First of all, all terms and words are made up. Literally how languages are made.
Secondly, intersex it's what it's called in biology when a person is born with physical sex characteristics of both biological sexes.
Most cases of intersexuality are mild and fairly invisible, so the estimate in exactly HOW many babies are born with some form of intersexuality is a pretty wide margin and estimated to somewhere around 0.5-1%.
The cases where intersex people fall so in the middle of the two biological sexes that you literally can't say that they're either sex are very few, but do in fact exist.
If you had an intersex child with this predicament it would be incredibly cruel(maybe borderline insane is more accurate) to choose to flip a coin, have surgery on them and hope you got it right. If it's not a genuine health complication, it's better to just wait and let them grow into who they're supposed to be(which will happen regardless of what you do, they'll just be miserable if you manage to make the wrong choice) and let them choose if they want anything done to alter their body. If you can't medically motivate making surgical changes to a child's body, you probably shouldn't be making them in the first place.
@@KattReen correction: as i’m intersex. intersex people do not always have both genitals. it’s actually rare to have full hemaphroditism. usually we just have different chromosomes or secondary sex characteristics/hormones that do not align with one sex or the other. :)
As a biologist, there are so many ignorant people on here that don’t know enough about biology to be saying anything against this. The human genome is not as static and stable as people think, and people can be born intersex from different genetic conditions. For example: Kleinfelter syndrome, in which the individual has XXY sex chromosomes. The X chromosome is duplicated but there is also a Y chromosome. Another example: Jacobs syndrome, which has an extra Y chromosome. Genetic mutations occur ALL the time. These conditions can present physically with both male and female characteristics in the individual. The terms “woman” and “man” have social roles behind them based off the biological sex of “female” and “male”, but GUESS WHAT: if you have characteristics of both, you might struggle to find which one you identify with because you look like neither a cis woman nor a cis man. People need to really educate themselves.
I'm a bit undereducated in terms of intersex so this was rlly interesting, thanks!
I wish they could pin multiple comments at once-THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE AT THE VERY TOP!
If you were a biologist, you would know that each syndrome is 1-1 disorder. (Just delete the truth what I've written.)
@Kayleigh. A. Beautiful Life no, the doctor even said they are intersex. Perhaps you need to rewatch the video.
@Kayleigh. A. Beautiful Life what 💀
Intersex is a medical condition where you have both female and male features most commonly in hormones such as having both x and Y chromosomes which result in having female or male appearance and the physical strength or inner biology like muscle mass of the other
The sheer amount of idiots in this comment section who think intersex is a gender BAFFLES me 😭
Right? I’ve known that intersex isn’t a gender since I was like 13
@@kiterina8621 it’s both. Androgynous intersex is a gender, and intersex is a sex.
@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 From what I can tell with what I looked up androgynous just refers to the lgbtq+ community. There’s non binary which is when a person chooses not to be a gender but intersex just refers to being born with both male and female parts
@@kiterina8621 which is a sex, and is also a gender because it’s a form of identity. I don’t believe in the 50 something genders but it’s ignorant to pretend intersex isn’t one.
@@SamuelSamuelSamuel1 yes, just like women and man are genders.
The amount of people in this comment section that think intersex is a gender identity is hilarious
yeah intersex is disease
@amerigovesgucci4042 💀 k buddy
@@LeviathanOnTheFridgelmao they have so many xd
@Emma_aesthetic609 mmm yes I cant wait to see people being burned at the stake for being a woman who knows how to read or just being a woman who doesnt fit the "female standard" mmm and I cant wait to see people hung for loving who they love and being who they are, also, you do realize that trans people have existed for as long as we can tell right? like the native americans have had it (trans/not conforming to man woman) in their culture for as long as they have had culture and infact a bunch of cultures (not just native americans but cultures in africa, the Sammi, and more)
@Emma_aesthetic609 well unfortunately that's not happening at this point so we have to tolerate mfs that identify as mailboxes 😭
We need more intersex awareness tbh I hate people who think it’s some “gender identity”
Oh no how terrible, gender identities
@@DeathnoteBB ? op was saying they dont like that a medical condition is treated as a gender identity somebody can transition or present as
@@kaijuteeth Saying ‘some “gender identity”’ implies disdain towards the concept of gender identity
@@DeathnoteBB because they dont like the idea that a medical condition is boiled down to a gender identity. there are tons of gender identities and its easy for labels to get lost in the sea of them, you're seeing things that aren't there because honestly nobody cares if this person said "a gender identity" or "some 'gender identity'" because their point is intersex isnt a gender or something you can transition/present as, how they feel about the concept of gender identity is irrelevant here.
@@DeathnoteBB thats not what they meant, they mean people use it as and called it a “gender identity” when it’s not and its a medical condition youre born with, not a gender preference
they never showed disdain to a gender identity, theyre simply saying people call it that
It's funny how the same people who say a teenager isn't old enough to tell they're trans are the same people who agree to gender surgery on intersex NEWBORNS
SO REAL!
TERFs: you're XX or XY, there's no in-between!!!
My Kleinfelter ass: *stays silent*
Lmfao wait till they find out there literally scientifically is more than 2 sexes. But that would take them actually learning something, so I wouldn't hold my breath 💀
@@Oliviaandtrina EDIT2: So I can make this REALLY clear:
I know intersex people exist. My descriptions for biological sex were incredibly callous, and removed from the reality of people's experiences.
I'm still struggling to say move away from: "There are 2 biological sexes, male and female; Intersex phenotypes display mixed features of the 2 biological sexes" but I'm not sure another reply will help - most of them have reiterated the same points as previous replies.
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to reply, and to read this. Hope you have a good day!
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What? Are there animal species that have more than two biological sexes?
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Edit1: Before you reply to this comment, you might be interested to read the thread below.
Included within it are details about human biological sex, intersex conditions, and the amazingly varied ways animals may present biological sex. It features comments from a biomedical sciences student (me), an extended biology student, an amateur entomologist, and Trina, who I had originally replied to.
If you do reply, you risk me writing an essay in response that voices both my frustration at, and love of, science. I don't shut up. You've been warned.
Thanks for reading, have a good day!
@@thewheekingrodent yes... humans lmfao. And many other species as well.
@@Oliviaandtrina Edit: PLEASE see the edits on my previous comment before you reply to/read this comment.
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Apologies, but I’m not sure I understand? I’m not aware of a third biological sex (or any more beyond that)?
I should note that I’m a final year biomedical science student. My final year research project is related to the mechanisms of autoimmunity, which biological sex plays a role in. I’ve not be introduced to any further biological sexes than the ones labelled male and female…
But I will admit that scientists are often slow on the uptake - after all, there are still textbooks and peer-reviewed articles using gender and sex interchangeably (a fact I find quite frustrating). So if you have more information on the additional biological sexes, I’d really appreciate it
@@thewheekingrodent so yes there are intersex people, people who are neither male or female. They can have sex organs/features from both, or just chromosomal makeups that don't align with male or female. So biologically they are non binary, since they are neither male or female. Like the original commenter has Kleinfelter which means they have XXY, so an extra X that a bio male wouldn't have. In other species there are intersex and also hermaphrodites which have all sex parts, or can turn into either sex, and even reproduce with themselves. Unfortunately for humans often if a baby is born intersex with sex organs from both sexes the parents will surgically transition the baby and raise them as one sex or the other. But about 1-2 percent of the population is born intersex. So it's rare, but really not that rare. I think we just aren't educated nearly enough about it, especially if you are in an extremely right wing area. But yes there are biologically more than 2 sexes! I'm glad you are going into the medical field with an open mind, and willingness to learn, keep at it!!
As a pediatrician, I find it sad that ignorant Americans are politicizing this issue. There are so many babies born with ambiguous genitalia which is the opposite of their XY/XX chromosomes and the many variations of diversity from so many biological factors both internal and external. People are ignorant to the science and think their opinions matter, they don’t. Leave these kids alone and stop discriminating against this minority group.
I agree. There are two big problems with the medical community here. One is that many babies with "ambiguous genetalia" externally are surgically altered. The second is that unless there is genetic testing done during pregnancy, genetic testing isn't really big here. This often leads to instances of people who are intersex going undiagnosed, such as when one has XY chromosomes but the Y stops functioning partway through. It can end up with XY's with vaginas (due to the mother's estrogen) and one or two testicles in place of ovaries. I knew a lesbian that went to have a hysterectomy done due to pain, and one of her ovaries was a testicle. She never got genetic testing done to confirm intersex happenings as far as I know and still identifies as female.
As a pediatrician you should know sex is determined by are gamates. Ova or sperm.
You could have PCOS but you are supposed to be making eggs which makes you female. You could be born with both sex organs but the gamates your body is supposed to create or are creating determine your sex.
Gender ideology promoted her teaches sexism. It teaches children that things in life are masculine or feminine and liking those things determine your gender. In 50 years this ideology will be laughed as a stain medical books up there with lobotomy and shock therapy.
I feel sorry an EMT has to educate "doctors" on these things.
@@AdlersShadows An EMT cert takes 6 months to get. Doctorates take literal years. I suppose you didn't know that the center of the Y chromosome can pop off during gestation, meaning the male sex will stop developing. However, due to the mother's estrogen, ALL babies have vaginas in the womb before the sex chromosomes take hold as mother and baby share her blood supply. My mom had genetic testing when she was pregnant. My brother had an XY chromosome, but he also had a vagina. The ovaries turned to testicles, but nothing else happened. They called him a girl, so that we didn't have to explain intersex happenings to every new nurse or doctor we ran into (doctor's recommendation), and named him Melissa.
@@AdlersShadows I didn't think a tax preparer would have to educate an EMT on intersex issues. However, you're also not a doctor.
There's proverb that goes, "You cannot fill your cup if it is already full." It means that once one has convinced themselves they know it all, they stop absorbing new information, because to them, they already have all the info that will ever be necessary. It's a rather blind malady of the mind~
@@AdlersShadows Also, yes, these means that all sets of testicles and penises are just inverted vaginas.
And 50 years ago the doctor would have just sliced everything off without parents permission, at birth and tell the parents to just raise them as an girl (leaving the child with an lifetime of confusing feelings) - I'm glad we live in modern times.
yes. its terrible, and it still happens. i have seen people talk about that doctors gaslight the parents, even tho the baby didint need to be changed. now that person struggels with pain and other things.
That's not true.
@@cattycorner8 Bullshit it's not true. I went to high school with an intersex person "V" whose highly-religious grandmother decided they should be a girl, and had their penis removed at the age of 3. That was in 1970.
Today "V" is the most bitter, self-defeating person I''ve ever loved. "V "wasn't ever a girl, and all the "real girls" knew it and made "V''s life a living hell just because they could. As I suspect you would.
I remember a family member of mine saying whatever god made you as, that’s what you are.
They then went on to say intersex people need to choose a gender. Well, going by that logic, intersex people were created by god, weren’t they? And god chose for them to be that gender. So why are we still harassing intersex people, people of Jesus? Because you don’t care about the word of god. You care about control and what fits your narrative.
Not all religious people are like this but a good majority of the people I have known follow this ignorant logic.
Finally, a religious person who's actually being nice about things
@@Jay_TheBirb09 Honestly though I think that if there is a god, he doesn’t care about something as small as pronouns in such a large universe.
@@eepart691 EXACTLY 💯
“How are you socializing them”
As a kid? Never understood the why socializing a kid into gender roles was such a big thing.
My parents just raised me and my sister like we were kids. Barbies? Cool. Dead frogs? Go wash your hands. Building and destroying legos? Awesome. Floofy skirts and tiaras? Looks great! They were shit in many, many ways but at least they never cared about making sure we were ~girls~ (we are both afab).
smh i wish my parents let me play with dolls more. I barely got any chances and when i did it felt like a treat (amab btw)
I'm 28 and I don't give a shit I'd play with dolls with ya today. Sometimes it can be healing to the kid inside us to get to do the things our parents never let us. Wishing ya all the best! @@aezvetys
@@elezeiaz aww thank u so much~!! that felt rlly heartwarming to read 🥹
Yeah same with my parents I’m trans male (AFAB) and I would always play with Barbie’s but I would also hold a toad 🐸 every once in a while
Crazy to what this generation has become
I once read a book call “None of the Above” by I. W Gregorio ( highly recommend it’s really good) that talked about a teen girl who finds out she’s intersex after prom. It’s such a good book and explores the struggles of people who are born as intersex. It’s a real medical thing, and they struggle just as much as trans and other identities.
"Baby X" is a good animation about this to
So this girl went years without a period and thought nothing of it?
@@mo.ka.9661 I’m pretty sure in the book everyone told her she might just be a late bloomer. My aunt didn’t get hers until she was 17 or 18.
Personally, I really disliked None of the Above, that girl was not in the right state of mind to give informed consent to surgery 🙈
@@baeumchen6384 I see what you mean. I read it when I was younger so I didn’t really think too hard about it. It was kinda strange how she was able to do that. Thank you for bringing that up 😊
My mom knows someone that had an intersex child and the parents decided the same thing, to be neutral. The child is now an adult and they still continue to be neutral. 🙂
That's nice
@@Mel-wn9gb just didn't have a specific gender binary
@@Mel-wn9gb they were born with biological characteristics that don't match either female or male, so to be accepted by society, many parents choose to "fix" them, there are even cases of doctors themselves twisting their wordings so much so the parents don't know what they are agreeing to and do surgery on the kid (that depends on the type of intersex of course). Staying neutral is basically not putting the kid into a box and instead letting the kid to decide by themselves. Sometime the kid just doesn't pick up on either feminine or masculine behavior traits and is more in-between.
@@Mel-wn9gb like, they aren't a man or a woman, so they just identify as neither. They identify as what they biologically are, neutral.
@@Mel-wn9gb 💀💀 why so offended lmao it aint your identity
The amount of people who don't know what intersex is is wild
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When I have kids, I will refer to them as their birth sex but not use specific colors or toys from birth. I will educate them on gender as soon as they are old enough to understand and support them no matter what.
Love this so much
And that is the best option. Raising a kid gender neutral can have so many problems
Me too.
That's what I have done with my kiddo, he was born a boy but had lots of interest in girl stuff when he was a wee fella and I let him explore that. He has now hit puberty and still identifies as a boy, and I think me not shoving traditional boy stuff down his throat has made him a more well rounded person in general.
love that
@@funfairs__uk If they're intersex, then neutral IS their birth sex
I think this is how people who have intersex kids should raise them. I've seen some kids who got the surgery at birth and it turns out they were the other gender.
My parents choose for me to be male but didn’t get me a surgery
That’s what I would do. 🤷♀️
I think that parents should choose the more dominant gender and also don’t tell their kids that they were intersex because it would be too confusing for them to understand
@@masonm2140 Well including in my position everything is out in the open. So you don’t know what’s dominant until puberty.
Secondly, not telling a child is just as bad as telling them if not worse. First off your gonna have to tell them eventually, because thats their medical history and can cause issues in the future.
Not telling them can make it harder understand when they find out, because their more than likely to find out. Telling and explaining it from when their able to understand difference from a male and female child’s makes it less difficult in the future.
Lastly, I know someone will suggest the surgery that makes it to where they have one gender. I personally highly suggest against it. There are so cons compared to pros.
@@masonm2140 please don’t encourage this, I’m 19 myself and JUST finding out that I have been intersex my whole life with my parents keeping this from me. All I feel is resentment and confusion because they raised as the more “physically leaning” gender, only for me to have these constant feelings of being a boy and think they were wrong.
As parents, you should just tell your kids that they were born intersex (someone that isn’t a female or male) and that that’s why they may already look different or that when they get older they will develop differently. Because it’s already hard enough knowing you are different, but to not have your parents supporting you? It’ll feel so much worse
a concept like this would never be “confusing” to kids…it’s only confusing to adults who believe in strict gender norms….kids don’t care unless you MAKE them care lol
It’s confusing to having to go to school with kids who have normal parents. Kids like this would be sold to the circus
Which seems to be the norm these days, sadly.
I mean, in this case the child is intersex so it makes sense to raise them neutrally because they can't even base it from their genitals (Wich doesn't define gender but still)
Oh, poor leftists...
@@orcslaughterer6972 oh poor conservative who's afraid of children learning about love and themselves, so scary right, shouldn't teach that to children 😰😰😰
All these LGBTQ-phobes getting mad over these lovely parents caring for their child (who is BIOLOGICALLY neither firmly Male or Female) makes me laugh
Like.. waa waaa goo goo ga ga ya lil hater, go cry to mommy over people being people
Seethe and cope, ya phobes
Wow.Calling the truth homophobic. Who would have thought?
@@politicallyincorrect956 Go sob about my existence. I spit in the face of normality. The "truth" you say is no more true than me saying "The sky is blue because of microscopic pidgeons."
Penguins are known to form gay pairings despite females being present. There is an entire species of Lesbian Geckos.
And one day, you will be met with whatever higher being decided it was a good idea to put you on this mortal plane, and you will have to justify the space that you filled.
@@politicallyincorrect956do you even know what an intersex person is? 😂
I remember in a psy class I took, we watched a video about intersex people and how there were (and probably still are) doctors that believe one should raise an intersex child as a boy because 'it'll be easier later'. Which is terrible and disgusting on several levels, but the video went on further to talk about how there were doctors that straight up lied to the parents and told them that their child was either a boy or a girl. Nothing else.
Which like. Even more disgusting all around.
An-..and you paid for this class?
@@mki_kitlof psychology classes call out their predecessors by educating students in the mistakes that were made in the name of psychology too. I’d bet it was a very enriching class.
Actually it's the opposite. It had been common medical practice to surgically alter intersex babies to be female as it is an easier surgery to perform a penectomy. All this was based on the idea that a "man" couldn't function properly with a micropenis. So let's just make him a girl & "she'll" never know that she is ACTUALLY a male. Well, that was proven wrong time & time again when these children said they were actually males. These surgical procedures were being done sometimes with but sometimes without the parents' consent. They were being led to believe that it was only external factors that determined gender.
@@mki_kitlof i dnt see the issue
@@1970Mom didn't they cut of the "penis" and didn't turn it into a clit because girls don't need to feel sexual pleasure. and they asked no one prior to the surgeries
One thing I hate is when they do the surgery before they find out the dominant gender, it can be hard growing up with the wrong parts as a child.
The surgery should be up to the child anyway unless its deemed medically necessary. No point in a cosmetic decision by a person who wont need to live with it
@@moondancer7993 EXACTLY!!
yes . also the doctor might accidently castrate the child. some intersex people are able to have children too.
Or when they just do genital mutilation on intersex youth in general, like cutting off parts of their phallus to make it “normal” looking or even taking their testes
as an intersex person whose condition did not present until puberty, I would like to point out the fact that there are approximately zero downsides to just doing this by default
@Ingoc amazing, everything you just said was wrong. That’s actually impressive
@Ingoc can't be any more confusing than knowing your gender in your head but mommy telling everyone, including you, that you're wrong.
also, what do you mean "everyone else around them knows their gender"? small children are small children. i would know, i work around them. literally the only thing telling boy toddler apart from girl toddler oftentimes is how they're dressed
@Ingoc babe do u know what intersex means?
@Ingoc got it babe, then you know then there's more then male/female even on a sex level? Love u boo glad you could come around 😘
@Ingoc also no gender does not equal sex so actually go and learn yourself
Honestly, I don't rly get non binary, but I would still use they them pronouns, regardless of what I might think. I just want everyone to be happy
There's no mention of non-binary in this video
@@queeraustraliantheaterkid This person has a bunca non binary vids and shorts lol
@@szkylak yes, so say that on those videos, not this one
@@queeraustraliantheaterkid Already did honey. You just happen to answer to one of many lol
And dw I'm gay so- "boo straight thankfully I'm not that, right?"
The amount of people who choose to complain about anything LGBTQ+ without any prior knowledge is becoming VERY apparent from the comments section. Intersex does not mean gender neutral. It means the child has a DSD - they are not biologically male or female, they are often somewhere in between. This could mean having a child with XY chromosomes but a vagina or, in some rare instances, the child being born with a vagina and testicles or an ovotestis. This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with physical biology. If a child is biologically not completely male or completely female, it makes sense to refer to them as "they" until they become old enough to figure out which part of their biology they might like to adopt as their dominant physical gender through surgeries and the like.
Being raised as a specific gender despite being intersex had ruined my idea of gender and sex and left me confused and fighting with my mind and body / presentation . I am very happy that parents do this
@@simplyorangeaid5649 You're funny 🤟
@@rat_cultist says the one who cOnFusEd about gender 😂 you're an absolute clown 🤡
@@rat_cultist "intersex" werido
@@rat_cultist 💀
You were born with a medical condition, it doesn’t make you literally neither a man or a woman. The majority of intersex people still have identifiable markers as to which sex they are more of. Hence why it is fixed.
I was born intersex and was operated on before I could even speak for myself, so now I’m in the process of transitioning, I wish parents were rational like this, woulda saved me and a lot of kids
Although in this day and age it’s the right call, not that long ago, regular gay people were being bullied , discriminated against and murdered. Transgender or anything in the grey area were viewed as total freaks to society. The suicide rate was crazy high. Some parents just didn’t know, and definitely for the kids best interest at heart, they chose the easiest choice (it the reproductive organs looked more female they went female etc) . I’m sorry you are in the position of now having to transition; however you may have dodged a major bullet by being raised one clear gender (depending on your age) and esp if you were raised female and transitioning to male, reconstructive penile technology was pretty much in its infancy years ago. The doc may have mutilated your genitals or prevented you from ever O’ing again.
Just have a late term abortion by yourself and leave a note saying thanks mom
@@jamesmanter8731 Bet you 500 bucks you wouldn’t say that to a person irl.
@@gamerofedge8111 I thought I just did 👰🏻♂️
@@jamesmanter8731 I mean not through a screen, I doubt you have the balls
Ah yes genuinely normal parents who care abt their childs identity finally😌
@@toxicGD12do research
@@Lavettery1231 i did
i know someone who was born intersex and their parents raised them as a girl. caused them a lot of issues and confusion growing up which could have been avoided… especially considering they’re parents didn’t tell them till they were 16.
I really like this! I had an intersex classmate and when I was educating some people about gender terms line AFAB or A MAN they piped up to educate the entire classroom about intersex and even give us a peek into being intersex because we're intersex!
I learned that day that the term "hermaphrodite" (commonly used for intersex people) is actually not a term for humans but rather other animals and plants.
When they were born, there was no intersex option on the birth certificate yet and it caused them a lot of problems when enrolling into the college and they also struggle with the gendered bathrooms. Because they have a but of both in them but they had been estrogen for a majority of their life but now they're coming off of it so if they use the male bathroom they get strange looks but if they use the female bathroom they also get strange looks.
They also informed us that the wheelchair access buttons on campus don't work!
So I've never wanted to advocate for a people and person so badly
@jam ww great, another reason to hate homophobes and transphobes
I'd do the same if my child was on the intersex spectrum. The only times I would surgically lean one way or another is
-If the condition proposed a serious health risk during development
-When the child is dead set on a particular gender and sex
Otherwise just teach them to love themselves for what makes them unique. I had to learn that by myself the hard way
Please don’t impose your stupid delusions on your poor children.
They are saying toddler which means this is the parents enforcing their stupidity on the kid period.
@@alexandriav3956 you do realize people can be born as intersex-
@@alexandriav3956 the delusion of... At least 2% of human beings being born between biological sexes? Sorry you skipped 8th grade science.
@@GalironRunner how are they forcing something on them🤨 the kid literally has both male and female traits biologically
People forget that being intersex is a medical condition. “Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of “female” or “male.”” It can even be chromosomal or hormonal. As in, an intersex person is neither biologically male NOR female, so raising them as gender neutral is the best bet. Why? Because you don’t know how they’re going to look when they’re older. If you raise them as a he but they actually turn out to look more feminine, that’s not going to work - and vice versa. It’s actually best to wait till puberty to see how they end up presenting.
Not to mention the simple fact that their gender identity is not strictly tied to their sex characteristics and you don't know how they will identify later anyway? As is the case with, y'know, everybody. Raising any child as a "he" or a "she" and trying to force gendered roles or characteristics on them, assuming their personal identity will never change or deviate from what you arbitrarily assigned them isn't a very smart parenting decision regardless of whether or not your child is intersex.
@@MarfansGothExcept gender isn't real and is completely irrelevant to a normal person anyway.
For people who don't know
Intersex is not an gender Identity its a REAL biologic gender(sorry for my englich)
Don't worry about your English! It's pretty much perfect in your comment.
Intersex is a birth defect not a gender.
Dont worry about your englisch its all a loaf of crap anyway. Think about it.
Yeah you are so right! I hate when people think it’s not
@@Freakygeeky-zx4ny Wrong
I had a pediatric dentist ask my child’s pronouns when we went to get their teeth cleaned. Best dentist ever!
My dentist has a section for pronouns on the paperwork, it makes me happy every time ✨
Gimme y'alls dentists now
Sharing is caring 🔫😀
(Edit: Jesus thanks for all the likes :D)
That's fantastic!!!!
I just went to a dentist recently presenting full fem, clothing and all, and put my preferred name as Chloe. (As gender, I unfortunately put male only because medications / dosages can be biologically critical) but without me even telling any of the dentists they referred to me as She/Her the entire time and it made me feel so awesome and valid! Then my mom, who I was with at the time, just HAD to confuse them all by using my wrong pronouns. :/
I wish my dentist did that so that way I can interrupt my mother before she says anything like:
“He/They and my name is Samual!”
Just to prove a point that she has been ignoring for almost I wanna say 2-4 months around?
Yeah this is the right decision for sure. A friend from school was intersex and socialised as a woman- and was consequently devestated to learn at 12 that she couldn’t ever carry kids, and she wanted to be a mom some day ( still uses she / her )
Me: "Are you the doctor?"
Doctor: "Yes, of course!"
Me: LEAVES IMMEDIATELY
What a concept.
25 years ago I was taking the psychology of human sexuality class at college and they had already known that the children who were born intersex and surgically altered towards a gender and raised according to that gender, almost always were unhappy with the assigned gender when they grew up.
You can't be born intersex. You are born as one of the only 2 existing genders. I don't see no intersexual monkeys, we humans, another type of animal we follow the biological laws other animals follow, some of use are just retarded
My parents let me play with dinosaurs as a kid. They were totally ok with me having no interest in dolls. My mom said she asked me why I didn't like dolls as a kid, and I was like, " mon, why would I want to play with Plastic people? That's boring 🧐"
I think this is very important. Raising intersex children as an especific gender could cause dysphoria, right? In case they don't identify as the gender you choose, they might feel very, very bad, just like a trans person would (and they could be trans). So... Yeah, that's a great great choice in my opinion.
You could literally say that for any child, yet we don’t raise every child as gender neutral, do we?
@@xxxmaysilssss690 why would doing so be a bad thing?
@@devent10n because it doesn’t need to happen if you don’t enforce gender stereotypes on your children. It’s unnecessary and just confuses your children. Plus boys and girls are inherently different even at a young age, so I don’t see why forcing them to be lumped together would solve anything, since 98% of people end up identifying with their biological sex for the rest of their lives.
@@xxxmaysilssss690 If you aren't enforcing gender stereotypes you kind of are raising your child gender neutrally.
It's not confusing, it's just telling kids that there are no activities, colors, or behaviors that only a certain gender should do. It's harmless and widens the scope of what a child can believe they're capable of.
@@_b.4596 yeah, exactly. So what’s the problem with raising a child as their biological sex then and not enforcing those stereotypes on them?
For some of you in the comments, you’re opinion on pronouns is your own, and i don’t care, think what you wanna think, but intersex is a literally medical condition that children are born with, learn before commenting 💗
"neither, Im letting my kid be a kid" 😌
Y E S
Raising kids as the sex they were at birth is letting them be a kid, referring to them as a they and saying he or she is gender neutral isn’t 💀
@@cocomastrangelo4172 intersex means you have both (I think) sooo💀
Yes let's let the child be confused. So what toys will they play with? What narrative will you choose for them since the parents won't go with biology? This is not letting a kid be a kid. Kids are still learning. This is a failure on the parents part.
@@mirandalopez2640 it looks like someone doesn't understand what intersex is.
Gotta say it really sucked when my dad wouldnt let me do "boy" things like work on the car simply because i was a girl. I just wanted to connect with him and spend time with him.
My dad MADE me work on cars and all I wanted to do was sing and dance. I'm a cis female raised in an auto salvage business. I envy you lol
@@mynamesfox wtf is a cis sis
@@jamesmanter8731 afaik thats what people call "normal/biologically correct" gender identities
@@Amlaeuxrai what people?
@@jamesmanter8731 i don't know, non-cis people. LGBTQ+ and such? I admit my ignorance
Intersex is a touchy issue in general. not cause of the gender stuff allone. But mainly the health issues these children face. I think many oversee their general health concerns also mentally. So letting parents say ... we want them to be gender neutral and decide for themselves is vital for their mental health.
That is so dumb
@@theragingdm5242 wtf
I have an intersex friend. Not sure how he grew up, but he identifies fully as a guy. He’s really fun and works as an animator; something I really want to do when I’m older and employed!
I’m intersex. Raised as a male. Luckily my parents didn’t get it wrong as I still identify as one. But I’m also gay and my girl hormones came out as stronger. But people get mad at work (I’m a teacher) when my name says “Mr.”
@@kejaxson Bruh. People should just chill.
@@RandoDoodlz it’s more because I was with child pretty sure.
Idk if I will have children, but if I do, I'd probably refer to them as the gender they're assigned at birth, but let them play with any toys they want, no matter their gender ^^
yeah.. but intersex literally means they where born with both male and female traits
They were assigned as intersex
@@whowroteholdencaulfieldNot always. There are many different combinations of male and female traits that can exist in an intersex person. And it's not always easy to "tell" which one they will identify closer with.
@@whowroteholdencaulfield No they don't
@@whowroteholdencaulfield then explain a trans person to me
I love your channel, it brings so much awareness!
@@yungdaggerdick6257 except it doesnt
@@yungdaggerdick6257 No it doesn’t?
@@_JustJoe it does, bro woke jobs now need pronouns that’s how stupid they’re
@@yungdaggerdick6257 oh, i found you spreading hate again! please remove yourself from the replies of these wholesome comments before i shove the spooky gay agenda unto you. 👻
@@treborngoochdelamarxvi9775 actually we can and do, your opinion isn't fact, world doesn't revolve around your shit ideals homie
You have got to love the parents who will stand by you all the way through
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A toddler will their own crap, I'm sure parents like this will support them by serving them $hit for dinner.
@@cassandrakruggel ???
@@cassandrakruggel Imagine you’re a boy but u have some feminine parts. Your parents wanted you to get surgery but they also wanted a girl so they remove your male parts instead of your feminine ones. You’re still a boy and you act like a boy and not having those male parts is weird to you. Getting surgery doesn’t change you’re brain, it’s not magic. But your parents wanted a girl so they just keep on telling you that you’re a girl and that you have to act like one. But that’s so uncomfortable for you and frustrating and you don’t want to pretend you’re a girl when you’re not. That’s pretty much how every non-cis person feels. So yeah waiting it off and then finding out what the kid actually is first is really important.
I used to be a transphobe. But i eventually combatted my biases and learned to empathize with others. I love my trans homies and hope that the people who are leaving the hateful comments come around and remove the volatile thoughts they carry
Yeah sure thing
youre amazing for this, the best thing you can do for your friends is support them and i know they appreciate it ❤
You used to be based.
Basically you became a gay
Character growth
Intersex people have struggles that no one else could possibly understand. I’m always glad to see awareness like this.
Try telling that to the Jews, or African Americans, or Chinese, or Ukrainians, or native americans
the gender can be determined by looking at the chromosomes
@@goobygoober455 what?
@@emily.willis04 u know some people have xxy in their chromosomes? Tf that makes them ?
@@goobygoober455 completely different issue that shouldn’t be compared, they all struggle just completely different struggles
PSA: intersex is not a sexual preference or “identity”. You are born intersex. An example would be someone born with a penis, but also a uterus and ovaries. Or a vagina and internal testicles. Give intersex a Google, there are many different physical aspects that make one intersex, but it is not simply a way you identify. Hence, imo, this is the perfect way to socialize your intersex kiddo! Let them decide when they are old enough, what they want to be referred to as.
Can you please answer me why a genetic defect is included in LGBT+ ?
@@rachelvieira397 i'm going to hazard a guess as a cishet girl and say that the point of LGBTQ+ is to encompass EVERY defining trait relating to gender, sex or sexuality that doesn't quite fit the norm. lots of intersex people have issues related to gender as parents tend to raise them as one or the other and they often choose the wrong one. it's doubly bad if non-consensual surgical intervention was involved. if anyone who is actually part of the community has an answer that makes more sense than mine, i'm open to correction. this is just what i understood from the general discussion.
@@theunderstatement6842 Thank you for your explanation
It's always amazed me how people are so against trans kids and the "altering " of them yet we still routinely operates on and decides for intersex infants who they are
Despite many adult intersex people speaking out against it
Unless I somehow missed it, the video here didn't discuss or describe surgical intervention of any kind.
@@The1stImmortal no, but it does discuss the social push to decide for intersex children what their gender identity is before they're old enough to express it themselves
And as a carry on for that parents are often encouraged by medical professionals to operate on intersex infants and raise them as girls because it's medically easier to create female genitalia
@@naomimoran5564 IMHO what is occurring in the video is the common sexist belief that being a boy or a girl determines how you should interact with others. It is at best a rough predictor, not a determinant.
Describing a child as a boy or a girl is independent of socializing the child, and definitely independent of anything the child expresses.
@@The1stImmortal But that kid is neither a boy nor a girl, that's the entire point. Raising intersex kids as a gender that the parents or doctors randomly chose is proven to be incredibly detrimental to their mental health.
@@enielfblerta428 the problem here is "gender" has multiple meanings.
If you impose a bunch of expectations on a child because of sexist stereotypes about what a boy or a girl "should" be like then yeah it's gonna be harmful. Don't do that, whether your kid is intersex or not.
If you allow the kid to be themselves, whatever that ends up being, but simply describe them as a boy or a girl based on biology, then there's nothing there to cause harm.
Bro got a starter Pokémon option
lol
i love how they look at the camera like “help bro……..” 💀💀💀
if your kid is intersex (or any other sex/gender), it is absolutely your job to support them the best you can. when they are old enough to understand (as in, maybe early-mid elementary school), you can explain to them about their condition and that they can identify as whatever they want to be
@@idifeisnormal so i dont exist. got it.
There are only 2 genders.
Nothing like intersex even exist... Bunch of nonsense....
Your gender is not your choice.
@@stergiosrap1 it is
This reminded me of the episode of House MD we're they treated an intersex kid and the parents chose to raise them as an boy but also feared they'd made the wrong choice the whole time. Never told the kid and ended up being the reason the kid nearly died by insisting on unnecessary testing.
House ends up telling them "You gave birth to a freak of nature. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to treat him like one."
Which while yes is kinda harsh (especially in front of the kid who's only recently learned about his condition). It's exactly what the parents needed to hear.
That's actually not harsh at all coming from House. I'd love for Greg to call me a freak of nature that deserves to be treated like a human.
what pisses me off is i was born intersex, my parents never told me and raised "or tried" to raise me as a boy, i found out a few years ago since im an adult now and do my own medical appointments that im intersex. im a transgender women now because i never felt or agree with being a guy.
Hello! Once again, I know it’s a lot to ask but could you do a video on abrosexuality? It would honestly mean the world to my friend.
Hey I’m abro, cool to see another person!
@@BrookieTheCookie_ I’m actually not abro, I’m bi. My friend is though and I wanted them to see it if it got done. They’re constantly on about watermelons lol 🍉 😂
@@inouridletown sorry, but what is abro? I always like learning about lgbtq and was just wondering :)
@@_p1x hey read the other reply to the other comment and that will explain everything! Thanks for asking though I love helping people 🏳️🌈🌈
@@inouridletown just did, thank you! I don’t identify as abro (I now know) but it’s always good to educate myself. Have a nice day :)
This is a great time to bring up the Intersex Justice Project and the fact that hospitals in the US and UK and others do involuntary surgery on intersex children to make them "normal", sometimes without even telling the parents, as a standard procedure. Many don't, many ask and some do nothing, but its still a huge problem
I’m sorry, what?! They do it without parental consent?!
Nobody is doing surgery on kids without the parents knowing.
Yea what's up with this whole thing popping here and there about having non consensual procedure?
These comments show which people don't know what the term "intersex" really means.
Its mildly amusing really...
It really is funny
Most 'intersex' people are either Male (XY) or Female (XX) but have genetic/developmental disorders that cause them to superficially resemble a different sex.
There's a subset of 'intersex' people that have specific genetic disorders like Klinefelter's syndrome that give them abnormal chromosome counts.
The fact that some individuals may possess genetic disorders giving them abnormal chromosome counts does not contest the fact sex is binary anymore than people born without legs contests the fact that humans are bipedal.
So basically you're talking about genetic disorders affecting a fraction of a percent of a fraction of a percent. The normal practise in classifying such individuals is simply to 'round to whatever is easiest for society' or 'makes the most logical sense based on the way the disorder works' for instance Klinefelter's Syndrome (XXY) occurs when a regular male (XY) has a genetic disorder resulting in an extra X chromosome so (logically) we refer to them as XXY males.
the majority of biologists admit, sex is not binary. It is *bimodal* . There are an assortment of sexual characteristics, tied to one direction or another, and two statistical averages. The Male Mode, and the Female Mode. In between, you have a valley that is neither, 200 million people with intersex traits, chromosomal mosaicism, variated chromosomal makeup, and plenty more. A father was found to have an ovary that had even produced eggs. There is no clear line, and these individuals explicitly disprove binary sex in favor of the scholarly accepted bimodal model.
@@Jeewanu216 False, the overwhelming majority of biologists maintain that sex binary (a biologist who thinks sex is not binary is akin to a flat-earth geologist).
Furthermore, Biologists when referring to adults will typically use gender and sex terms interchangeably even in their published work.
Man = Adult Human Male (XY Chromosomes).
Woman = Adult Human Female (XX Chromosomes).
Any other Chromosomal arrangement = Genetic defect.
Genetic defects do not contest the fact human sex is binary anymore than 'people born without legs' contest the fact humans as a species are bipedal.
Until puberty comes an intersex child may not have a distinct gender or may end up favoring the opposite gender they favored before. Partially developed testes can start producing testosterone, ovaries can mature and menses can start. Features can become feminine or masculine or neither thing happens and the child maintains an ambiguous gender because neither presenting genitalia matures. This is why the battle for neutrality in gender is so important. This is not simply about trans people "picking" or choosing a gender. Sometimes there isn't a choice and making policy that penalizes trans people existing hurts people who are intersex and have no choice
Very few people in this comment section understand what intersex means and it's truly hilarious
Ikr
You know, learning about intersexed people in college is the thing that actually changed my mind about the LGBTQIA+ community in general. As a Christian, it’s always been something that I wasn’t sure how to feel about. I didn’t have an issue with them, but internally I struggled. But then I learned that people are literally born genetically as carrying both male and female chromosomes…… mind blown! Suddenly I understood. WE ARE BORN THIS WAY! I’m 30 and I came out as being a part of the LGBTQIA community on June 1st ♥️ I never gave myself a label when I came out because it doesn’t matter. That’s between me and my journey and who I decide to be with ☺️
I’m a Christian as well and I’m happy to find another Christian in the lgbtqia+ community. A lot of Christians are looked on as homophobic
@@jellyelf6399 that is, because, unfortunately, a lot of Christians hold homophobic beliefs.
I'm also really happy to hear some people in the LGBTQIA+ community are also christian. Gives me hope for a more inclusive society in the future
Congratulations on coming out! I am so happy for you!
That’s amazing! I’m so happy for you ❤️ it really sucks that so many homophobic Christians have made us look like homophobes, as part of the community I just wanna say great job and I’m so proud of you!!
You never even read the bible.
"So u n ur husband 😁"
"Wife 🙄👎"
"U n ur wiiieeeeefe??!! 🧐🤨"
The doctor: "I see."
The doctor didn't see.
I actually had a friend in high school who was born intersex and he was raised completely as a girl his entire childhood until he decided to functionally become a trans man upon leaving high school because it was the only way he could be a man in peace without being bothered about it
I think what people need to do is change how they raise their kid in base of what the kid wants, for example:
A boy is born, you raise him using he/him pronouns, buy him just toys he likes, not necessarily "boy" nor "girl" toys, just the ones the kid is inclined to and likes (when he starts showing interest, when he's a baby you just buy him baby toys) and _if_ they start experimenting with their bodies or you notice a change, you go with it, you don't tell them they're a boy or a girl or anything like that because that's for them to decide, there's a chance he won't even transition or decide he's nit a boy, but letting them experiment and support them with their choice is the best thing you can do :]
This is what i thimk should happen, after all, the only difference i think there is when parenting a girl or a boy is the clothes that feel comfortable :b everything else is just what they like as they grow up :T
Agreed. Gender norms/roles make shit way more complicated than things need to be. I started questioning my gender because of them, because I hated pretty much all traditionally feminine things, but I didn't feel uncomfortable with being viewed as a female, but I was absolutely completely uncomfortable with the expectations associated with it. I finally came to the realization that I'm not trans, I just have very few traditionally "feminine" interests. You can be any gender and like any kind of thing. Of course trans identities are still 100% valid, but I think there would be a lot less people experiencing gender related issues if we didn't have such strict socializations for boys vs girls.
Idiocracy movie is a documentary now.
What should they have done instead? Intersex is a biological condition that someone is born with.
Wait… aren’t we talking about hermaphroditism? So why is everyone getting pissy about raising a child gender neutral in this medical situation? You have to let the child grow and they will learn if they are really male or female. We are talking about something medical. Not just making stuff up to confuse the child. In the past a lot of children were operated on as babies and it was easier to turn them into girls. And “condition” and raise the child as such. BUT… only to get if wrong a lot of the time. This would be torture to have both genders… know you’re a boy… but a doctor cut you to make you female only because it was the “easier” thing to do. There is no reason to do such a thing!!!
Amen! Some people are loud and wrong
EXACTLY. The people in this comment section act like we want to do this to all kids when really it’s the best option for intersex children to be raised gender neutral
Intersex kids deserve the right to make decisions about their bodies from birth to adulthood, and no one should be making those decisions for them except in regards to parents and doctors maintaining the child’s health.
So many intersex babies were operated on when it was medically unnecessary, and that’s an ethical failure on the part of doctors. It needs to stop.
I recently changed my name to Jay because I am transgender and I was aiming for a slightly more masculine yet also gender neutral name. This made me so happy seeing it being used!!
your name is jay, you're gay, and you make animations...are you jay the anigaytor?
Weirdo!
@@ayyymacaroni das ist super lustig
@@ayyymacaronihow dare you make such a falsely innacurate small minded insensitive statement? there are more than 2 genders and everyone gets to choose what and who they wanna be!!
@@JumpForGames_2024 ???
Raise them as what they are until they can decide what they wanna be.
Well Jay is intersex so using gender nuteral pronouns would be what they are because they aren't a boy or a girl
Exactly!! After all that kid is going to school and all. Save them a few bullying situations If doing that. People just think for themselves and not for the best of that kid here...
@@Emo9877 But that's the thing, what are they? They are intersex and don't have an especific sex assigned. What does the parent raise them as, a boy or a girl?
@@Redd3ited the parent raises them on what they scientifically are. If they have XX chromosomes as a woman, XY as a man.
@@Emo9877 Yes but some have mixed, intersex is being born one way with different gentiles. Some intersex people have XXY chromosomes or even have XX chromosomes with outside male genitals.
I remember reading an story about an single mom from 40 years ago. Her only child-son was born with only one testicle. Doctors were afraid it was going to develop cancer (even though testicle cancer was not in her family history), so they cut if off in the birthing room without telling the young mom. She crawled off the birthing bed and stopped them from cutting off his penis too - they said he wouldn't need it now anyway, and it would be easier to raise him as an girl, because girls are easier and she was only an single mom. This happened in USA, she tired to sue but it don't work out because they shamed her for being an single mom.
I dont really understand the correlation, sorry!
All the people complaining that the child will be confused and this is messed up clearly have no idea what "intersex" means.
This is not odd. If they are intersex, you don't have to have them influenced as one or the other. They can choose when they are older
Nah you can still usually tell what would make more sense for them, like they usually do have more sex characteristics of one or the other
How can a child be intersex? Let alone a toddler. That is only the parents mind. Not the idea of an infant.
@@jarlnils435 that's something determined by biology. Now, I don't remember all of the cases but I think people with X0 or XXY chromosomes might be considered intersex since they have sexual traits which differ from people with the "standard" XY or XX pairs of chromosomes. They might have less developed genitalia or lack ovaries/uterus etc, it depends on the case.
@@elisa4514 that makes more sense. I'm german, sometimes I get confused with english terms. Even more so, because american and british english is often so different.
Her:Nah they are gender neutral.
The name Jay☠️
That is indeed the name
That is the name that people have
i don’t see the issue with letting your intersex child choose their own ducking gender. it’s their life, their body.
You mean you're not making a wild 50/50 guess?
I knew someone whose parents made the wrong choice andshe had a very difficult life. It's a shame people didn't figure this out back in 1975. Shelly would still be here.
(She chose to identify as what she had a choice)
Yea
These comments are so dumb omg- intersex isn't a gender identity it's how they're is physically born
People need to do research before having an opinion on things they don't understand
The fact that this wasn't irony makes it 1000x times better
you think kids with both boy parts and girl parts are a joke then?
@@Yupyupyup32 they are still biologically boy or a girl
@@MAxim__m please explain with your vast biological knowledge based on what criteria you determine if they’re biologically male or female
@@Yupyupyup32you do realise that those people with "both" are still just male or female with a mutation 😂 right?
@@smokinpoppin please explain how you determine the sex
Raising an intersex child as any particular gender before their hormones develop CAN be dangerous, because their hormones could potentially influence how they feel about their body!
Hormones change the way a lot of people feel about their bodies? Biological females and males experience feeling uncomfortable with their bodies so weather jay was male or female chances are this would happen anyway
@@sunday_shake2007 I know, but that's exactly why you WAIT. You wait and see because for an intersex child you can't even BEGIN to know. Majority bio female/male stay cis.
I would know, I am intersex and nonbinary :)
@@telliex every single person is different. Just because that's what happened to you doesn't mean that's what is gonna happen to others
@@sunday_shake2007it is common for intersex people to have problems with hormones because unlike bio females and males it’s possible that they could have different things going on during puberty, like getting a period and also growing facial hair. It’s best to just wait until the child is old enough to decide for themself
@@XSillygooseX that's what the one In the video is doing tho💀 (ik it's a fake scenario)
As a person who's name is Jay and who goes by they/them pronouns, this made me light up like a little Christmas tree in December.
and you deserve to feel validated like that every day!!
Same here!!! (Jay is just a nickname for me tho)
@@JayBird-Depressed-Dreamer your username is literally my mums nickname for me which is honestly so cute.
Hmm ok, they/them are cool
When I was a student nurse in the early 1980’s we had a new born come to our baby unit who was intersex. The surgical consultants asked the parents what sex they would like to ‘make’ the baby, the parents didn’t know how to answer and I remember the consultant saying ‘ it’s easier to make it a girl’ which they duly did. Thank goodness times are changing!
my mothers friend had an intersex child which they decided to surgically change to a girl, and as they have grown up they physically look and feel like a boy. it definitely should be left to the individual as it can cause both sexual, physical and mental issues.
@@satanbbyg8873 well they release testosterone
WHY DO YALL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT BEING INTERSEX IS PHYSICAL ITS NOT AN IDENTITY THEY KINDA HAVE BOTH PRIVATES MERGED!!
I'm not intersex or know anyone who is personally... but I think its wrong to do the operation to assign a sex at a young age, before the child can even confirm what their gender is. They might not even want an opperation at all even. It doesn't make sense to me that other people feel like they should make a HUGE ireversible decision like that (that can have the consequence of making them infertile too) for someone else, just for "aesthetic" reasons. Its really not going to hurt your baby to leave them as is for a few years. No one is going to care about your baby's genetitals.
Yea
I would love if all children were raised as gender neutral. (but teaching them about their body, like preparing females for menstruation etc,...)
All the comments not realizing intersex is the term for when you have both genitals in the fact it happens in wild animals
Imagine if they disown the kid for being straight 😂
I think you missed the point? The child was born with a sex mutation where their biology is a mixture of female and male biology. The parents decided to not force the child into a box and let them figure out who they wanna be. That includes sexuality as well, gay parents won’t disown their kids for being straight lmao