Thanks very much for this video I think your comments on tRAS in particular explain why I had massive instability (to the point of having to do a hard CMOS reset as bios settings would no longer save) when I naively used the Easy DDR5 settings for my Kingston 2x32gb 6000 CL30 (A die). I actually so far have struggled with tRAS even at 40 - so far 46 is stable though. Great videos thanks very much for all the info :)
What brand? I have G.Skill M-die 6000 C30 tuned to 6000 C28 but that's just basic. What settings you using? I too have 7950X3D. I managed to also bump the CPU to 5900 mhz from its 5700-ish mhz max.
I have that kit with RGB, bought it on prime day for 135$. And yes, heatspreaders suck massively. I use a cotton bud to shove them apart (got a 2-dimm board), and a ventilator pointing at the sticks. Mine is also a-die. It runs 6400 cl30 no problem. And 7800 1:2, but with a lot of effort.
@@IIHydraII I'd expect so too, just curious in general how the kit performs (not M die specifically), as it ticks a lot of boxes (minimalistic, low profile etc.) and is always in stock around here.
@@dylanmonahan5909 pretty well btw, I went from 6000 cl28 to 6200 cl30 for more bandwidth. But my tRFC just won't go any lower than 480, which is fine for me. It is A die tho, 64gb(32x2) dual rank.
can you help me get my 9800x3d and ddr5 cl30 6000mhz running faster than with just pbo on? ive watched your videos but everytime i try changing anything its too unstable to post. asus as asynchronous mode and can get it running up to 5.6ghz but im on x870 tomahawk.
i dont understand any of the new voltage settings and nobody can explain it??? please make a video just explaining what the voltages are for and whats safe.
I've built two rigs based on his reviews and they've been spectacular. I'm about to build my third so I need his input to make a good choice. Mobo and gpu are essential to me the rest I can figure out myself.
I had this kit (well, the white version - SP064GXLWU60AFDG instead of SP064GXLWU60AFDE). Thaiphoon Burner identified these as *M-Die*, same as my G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32G kit.
Recently picked up an X870 Tomahawk along with two 2x16GB 6000 C30 Teamgroup TForce Xtreem kits that I’m gonna be playing with as soon as my 9800x3D gets here. I was kind of worried about it only having an 8 layer PCB since I have mainly used 12 and 14 layer PCB motherboard with Intel recently, but it seems to be at least decent for $300 judging by this video. I’ll be doing direct die on the CPU and probably putting a waterblock on the memory. Not because I think I’ll need, but just because I have some laying around and I can.
Can you please try 6000 or 6400 using 4x 24GB or 32GB? I have a X670E Tomahawk + 7800X3D with 2 DIMMs and would like to know if current AGESAs are more stable with 4x. Thanks!
Could the 2x32GB 6800MT cl32 Corsair (CMK64GX5M2X6800C32) outperform 6000MT cl30 on Ryzen 9000? I'm hesitating between the 2, but cant find any info about this kit, other than its most likely a Hynix A or M die, but even that isn't confirmed anywhere. As its the only 6800MT cl32 32 stick I found, I'm really skeptical of the performance.
Could be some different, useful content right there. Fitting heatsinks from previous generations to newer sticks, as heat dissipation was more of a thing. Many people have older sticks kicking around, could be a different kind of memory overclocking piece, needs the old content updating for DDR5s extra chip (needing thermal pad ideally I'm guessing).
I got the corsair 2x32gb cl30 kit (CMK64GX5M2B6000Z30), i'm on an intel system and once i enable xmp i struggle to get it stable. I mean its stable for everything i do except windows wake up from sleep. My system tends to lock up either when trying to enter sleep (but this one is rare) or when waking up from sleep. I tried tweaking voltages but nothing worked. It locks up only when xmp is enabled. Also when in the spd section in cpu-z, there is just nothing and in hwinfo64 can't get any monitoring information of off it. I can get it when starting hwinfo64 right after the windows startup but readings go completely wrong after a few minutes like it showed that mem temps were at 3500 °C lol and vddq had like 3.8V. I may also add that in the bios i can get the spd info but don't in windows or on memtest86. It just errors out saying "no spd detected". Something that i saw later is that that kit isn't on the QVL list so that might be the reason. gigabyte Z690 aorus ultra i7 13700kf
i can confirm that tRP is sensible to temperatures but not voltage on h24m gonna do the testing with h16a tonight but im pretty sure it is the same story edit: yup
My msi x870 tomahawk came scratched from factory 😢 what do i do... And with a heat gun mark on the top right, near the hole of the screw For what people told me on msi forum it could be factory repared?
At least yours is working. My X870 Tomahawk is flawless, however my brother's was clearly dropped at some point during the packaging process, one of the corners was badly bent and broken, and they boxed it up like nothing had happened to it. Top QA from MSI.
@@silverwerewolf975 We both bought our mobos on Amazon, so getting a refund was trivial, but my bro did have to get a Gigabyte X870 board instead, since the Tomahawk was out of stock. Anyway, I hope your story comes to a satisfying conclusion.
@ivanhordiienko4083 has nothing to do with the motherboard. ASRock defaults to 900mv VDDG while MSI does 1.05v by the way, and it's all within the expected safe voltages.
@ Thank you. Is there any rule for some sub timings that must match to not have frame drops? for instance: wtrs x 4 = tfaw. Are there such things or just set everything lowest can go?
Can any X870 Tomahawk owners give me some advice? I just got the board and a 9800X3D, latest BIOS version, but while I can overclock the CPU to my heart's content, any memory overclock, no matter how mild and tame, including merely activating EXPO, is causing me to hang on error code Ab. While it's tempting to say it's bad RAM, the same kit worked fine on my previous Intel board... Any help would be appreciated.
@@carl48899 MSI sets the soc on my carbon board to 1.2 when expo is enabled. I use these manual timings for my 2x32 kit and I have to raise the soc to 1.25 for absolute stability.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thank you very much. I decided to test this today and what I saw in the 5 games I tested is that fps are a bit better in a single rank kit (a bit faster) than a dual rank. Dual rank also gave me some headaches to tweak but luckily I have your video ;)
I run Kingston 2x32gb with Nitro disabled entirely on ASRock x870 it's faster than 1-3-1.. did you try that ever? 🤔 Also gear down disabled works fine. I have just under 58ns in Aida64 with no latency killer trash needed.
This is the true spirit of overclocking, take the cheapest offering and make it go brrr. The other consideration is it becomes a candidate for heatspreader replacement, even so far as exotic water cooling. Unfortunately Teamgroups Elite bare DDR5 while cheap & directly listed by them as hynix, are micron.
Indeed, but they suck insanely hard if you are pushing them just a little bit too much. As for RAM, as long as it's a certain Die (e.g. Hynix A-Die for example) you can't really go wrong with anything, except for some trash heatsinks really. But if you really want to push your memory, heatsinks are kinda trash anyways. Always add a fan. As for their SSDs, once they slow down, they slow to an obnoxious crawl with speeds of about 50 megabytes per second at best. Worse than any hard drive from the last century or so. They are good for very light workloads, cheap storage that doesn't need to do much at all but other than that, they are honestly trash
@@cant_Comment depends. If you want to overclock, don't have other Heatspreaders or a fan for it, I would advise against it. I have my aio fans pushing air out of the case directly above my RAM which works out well but I'm also using other modules. If you don't care about OC, I don't think removing the Heatspreaders would be of any use for the average person
Along with timings/settings would you consider taking apart the heat sinks on camera so we all could see how good or bad the thermal pads are. Also what is a “good” brand CL30 that you recommend for AMD (these sticks don’t say anything about supporting AMD, just Intel)
I’d be curious to know also. I tried it anyway with my 9800x3d and did get between 300-700 pts higher Timespy cpu score, so it definitely appears to be an improvement. I still need to stress test, though. Edit: my 6400/2133 settings weren’t stable.
Thank you for doing 2x32
What is safe temp for 2x32gb 6000mts cl32? G.skill kit, A die i think (A end of the S/N).
@@KOT-ANGRYit's not really safe or not safe, it's stable or not stable. And heat is only one factor in that equation
@@KOT-ANGRY If it gets too hot, as BZ said you should lower tREFI to 50000 or something along the lines.
Biggest thanks for doing 2x32Gb!!!
Thanks very much for this video I think your comments on tRAS in particular explain why I had massive instability (to the point of having to do a hard CMOS reset as bios settings would no longer save) when I naively used the Easy DDR5 settings for my Kingston 2x32gb 6000 CL30 (A die). I actually so far have struggled with tRAS even at 40 - so far 46 is stable though. Great videos thanks very much for all the info :)
Very interesting, will compare timings, running 2x32GB 6400 CL28 on rog x670e-f / 7950x3D here.
What brand? I have G.Skill M-die 6000 C30 tuned to 6000 C28 but that's just basic. What settings you using? I too have 7950X3D. I managed to also bump the CPU to 5900 mhz from its 5700-ish mhz max.
@@LeechyKun Hynix A-Die from GSkill trident Z5 6400CL32 (2x32)
I think the "A" in the model name is something internal as they have a 2x16GB 7200 CL34 kit that obviously is H16A, but the part is SP032GXLWU720FDK .
Great video!
I have that kit with RGB, bought it on prime day for 135$. And yes, heatspreaders suck massively. I use a cotton bud to shove them apart (got a 2-dimm board), and a ventilator pointing at the sticks. Mine is also a-die. It runs 6400 cl30 no problem. And 7800 1:2, but with a lot of effort.
second! Gonna try use these timings as a reference to do 6200 cl30 for my TeamGroup Tcreate Expert Kit
I've been wondering how these kits OC. It's M die though, isn't it?
@@dylanmonahan5909 Doesn't matter, M die will do 6200 just fine, with slightly looser tRFC
@@IIHydraII All right, what settings to change for it then? Any screenshots? M-die 2R.
@@IIHydraII I'd expect so too, just curious in general how the kit performs (not M die specifically), as it ticks a lot of boxes (minimalistic, low profile etc.) and is always in stock around here.
@@dylanmonahan5909 pretty well btw, I went from 6000 cl28 to 6200 cl30 for more bandwidth. But my tRFC just won't go any lower than 480, which is fine for me. It is A die tho, 64gb(32x2) dual rank.
Have u got better ram oc results on x870 msi or asus till now???
Waiting for the legendry apex❤❤
can you help me get my 9800x3d and ddr5 cl30 6000mhz running faster than with just pbo on? ive watched your videos but everytime i try changing anything its too unstable to post. asus as asynchronous mode and can get it running up to 5.6ghz but im on x870 tomahawk.
i dont understand any of the new voltage settings and nobody can explain it??? please make a video just explaining what the voltages are for and whats safe.
Is AIDA64 stability test unreliable? When overclocking I can pass every test but AIDA fails within 8 hours every single time.
I've built two rigs based on his reviews and they've been spectacular. I'm about to build my third so I need his input to make a good choice. Mobo and gpu are essential to me the rest I can figure out myself.
I had this kit (well, the white version - SP064GXLWU60AFDG instead of SP064GXLWU60AFDE). Thaiphoon Burner identified these as *M-Die*, same as my G.Skill F5-6000J3040G32G kit.
Recently picked up an X870 Tomahawk along with two 2x16GB 6000 C30 Teamgroup TForce Xtreem kits that I’m gonna be playing with as soon as my 9800x3D gets here. I was kind of worried about it only having an 8 layer PCB since I have mainly used 12 and 14 layer PCB motherboard with Intel recently, but it seems to be at least decent for $300 judging by this video. I’ll be doing direct die on the CPU and probably putting a waterblock on the memory. Not because I think I’ll need, but just because I have some laying around and I can.
Can you please try 6000 or 6400 using 4x 24GB or 32GB?
I have a X670E Tomahawk + 7800X3D with 2 DIMMs and would like to know if current AGESAs are more stable with 4x.
Thanks!
Could the 2x32GB 6800MT cl32 Corsair (CMK64GX5M2X6800C32) outperform 6000MT cl30 on Ryzen 9000? I'm hesitating between the 2, but cant find any info about this kit, other than its most likely a Hynix A or M die, but even that isn't confirmed anywhere. As its the only 6800MT cl32 32 stick I found, I'm really skeptical of the performance.
Wondering which is the highest strap that most 9800x3d will do for 2x32gb? Just need stability and dont oc at all.
which VDDGs voltages used for this setup ?
just auto which is 950mv on this board
LUBz
If set TWRWRscl to 4
System won't boot , if i leave it to auto it will set at 17. Is that a big performance loss? Rest settings works
Hynix memory chip?
@catonturtle3202 yes
Try 5 instead. For me i get no boot with TRDRDSCL of 4. Setting 5 fixes that. So maybe both at 5
That's intresting. I've never run into that. What CPU and motherboar?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking 9800x3d and x870-plus tuf
Could be some different, useful content right there.
Fitting heatsinks from previous generations to newer sticks, as heat dissipation was more of a thing.
Many people have older sticks kicking around, could be a different kind of memory overclocking piece, needs the old content updating for DDR5s extra chip (needing thermal pad ideally I'm guessing).
I have cold boot code 10 with this motherboard, when the pc is cold it does code 10, when it's hot it never do this, any clues to help ?
How'd you like the board? Considering picking up a B850 Tomahawk when it releases.
I have DDR4 4600 cl 18 RAM Ver 3.44 from Spectek. What do you know about this RAM?
Would this or ddr5 8000 be faster for gaming?
I got the corsair 2x32gb cl30 kit (CMK64GX5M2B6000Z30), i'm on an intel system and once i enable xmp i struggle to get it stable. I mean its stable for everything i do except windows wake up from sleep. My system tends to lock up either when trying to enter sleep (but this one is rare) or when waking up from sleep. I tried tweaking voltages but nothing worked. It locks up only when xmp is enabled.
Also when in the spd section in cpu-z, there is just nothing and in hwinfo64 can't get any monitoring information of off it. I can get it when starting hwinfo64 right after the windows startup but readings go completely wrong after a few minutes like it showed that mem temps were at 3500 °C lol and vddq had like 3.8V. I may also add that in the bios i can get the spd info but don't in windows or on memtest86. It just errors out saying "no spd detected".
Something that i saw later is that that kit isn't on the QVL list so that might be the reason.
gigabyte Z690 aorus ultra
i7 13700kf
would anything change by having a 2x16gb version of this memory ?
👍👍👍
Where do you think dual rank a die trfc caps out ? 130ns ?
2x32gb dual rank or 2x24gb single rank for performance?
i can confirm that tRP is sensible to temperatures but not voltage on h24m
gonna do the testing with h16a tonight but im pretty sure it is the same story
edit: yup
18:10 why your 3 psu voltages are so low? 3.3 and 5v
the 24pin might a bit loose since I keep swapping motherboards on the test bench.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking mines drop like that but on load :(
Silicon Power also make this kit - SP064GXLWU60AFDJ - which is cheaper again and has different (flat) heat spreaders.
My msi x870 tomahawk came scratched from factory 😢 what do i do...
And with a heat gun mark on the top right, near the hole of the screw
For what people told me on msi forum it could be factory repared?
At least yours is working. My X870 Tomahawk is flawless, however my brother's was clearly dropped at some point during the packaging process, one of the corners was badly bent and broken, and they boxed it up like nothing had happened to it. Top QA from MSI.
@mofous idk if it works, i couldt try it yet... And the store dont wanna take responsability....
About yours... Wow, this is a disastrr
@@silverwerewolf975 We both bought our mobos on Amazon, so getting a refund was trivial, but my bro did have to get a Gigabyte X870 board instead, since the Tomahawk was out of stock. Anyway, I hope your story comes to a satisfying conclusion.
@ :O, thanks bro!!
hi could you do a test with acer predator ram? most of their kits are A-die
MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk better then GIGABYTE X870E AORUS Elite ????
you should show the VDDGs for 1:1 setups, not all mobos default the same values and it makes a world of difference for FCLK stability
Mb because motherboard is better then u in setting this?
@ivanhordiienko4083 has nothing to do with the motherboard.
ASRock defaults to 900mv VDDG while MSI does 1.05v by the way, and it's all within the expected safe voltages.
tRDRDSCL and tWRWRSCL have to be the same ? My kit can t do lower than 6 rdrscl but wrwscl can do 1.
No they don't I just set them the same since WRWRSCL doesn't really do anything performance wise.
@ Thank you. Is there any rule for some sub timings that must match to not have frame drops? for instance: wtrs x 4 = tfaw. Are there such things or just set everything lowest can go?
Can any X870 Tomahawk owners give me some advice? I just got the board and a 9800X3D, latest BIOS version, but while I can overclock the CPU to my heart's content, any memory overclock, no matter how mild and tame, including merely activating EXPO, is causing me to hang on error code Ab. While it's tempting to say it's bad RAM, the same kit worked fine on my previous Intel board... Any help would be appreciated.
@@carl48899 MSI sets the soc on my carbon board to 1.2 when expo is enabled. I use these manual timings for my 2x32 kit and I have to raise the soc to 1.25 for absolute stability.
Still find it interesting that MSI bumps VPP to 1.85 instead of 1.8 when you increase frequency and set it to auto.
Dual Rank has any gains for gaming apart of the ram quantity? Or it's better to go 2x16gb 6400c26?
it's very slightly faster.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thank you very much. I decided to test this today and what I saw in the 5 games I tested is that fps are a bit better in a single rank kit (a bit faster) than a dual rank. Dual rank also gave me some headaches to tweak but luckily I have your video ;)
I run Kingston 2x32gb with Nitro disabled entirely on ASRock x870 it's faster than 1-3-1.. did you try that ever? 🤔 Also gear down disabled works fine. I have just under 58ns in Aida64 with no latency killer trash needed.
Is it possibly to do a 2x64gb setup, or are those just too unstable right now?
The stress test on that would be like 2 days
Anyone know if he’s done an updated “memory timings for dummies” sort of video? I really can’t be bothered anymore, it’s not worth the hassle for me 😂
Is that kapton tape on the unused slots?
yeah to stop dust getting in them
This is the true spirit of overclocking, take the cheapest offering and make it go brrr.
The other consideration is it becomes a candidate for heatspreader replacement, even so far as exotic water cooling. Unfortunately Teamgroups Elite bare DDR5 while cheap & directly listed by them as hynix, are micron.
put a game on!
Oh boy, 2x32, ere we go. 😮
SP makes a lot of lower cost parts like SSDs, they've been around a long time as a budget brand.
Indeed, but they suck insanely hard if you are pushing them just a little bit too much. As for RAM, as long as it's a certain Die (e.g. Hynix A-Die for example) you can't really go wrong with anything, except for some trash heatsinks really. But if you really want to push your memory, heatsinks are kinda trash anyways. Always add a fan.
As for their SSDs, once they slow down, they slow to an obnoxious crawl with speeds of about 50 megabytes per second at best. Worse than any hard drive from the last century or so.
They are good for very light workloads, cheap storage that doesn't need to do much at all but other than that, they are honestly trash
@@Mom19 would removing the heatspreaders on the ram be worth it?
@@cant_Comment depends. If you want to overclock, don't have other Heatspreaders or a fan for it, I would advise against it. I have my aio fans pushing air out of the case directly above my RAM which works out well but I'm also using other modules.
If you don't care about OC, I don't think removing the Heatspreaders would be of any use for the average person
Why are you not doing mobo and gpu breakdowns anymore? Please start doing them again.
mobos just released and gpus are not even released
@@HSGG_ He hasn't done a breakdown in years.
Just look
@TurboDruck I just looked and he hasn't done one in 7 years. Taking a look and breakdowns are two very different things.
@miguelfernandez2325 There is even a breakdown video from the X870 Tomahawk. th-cam.com/video/6G-bhNnVAvk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5IbETiCgCpwlTm0j
Along with timings/settings would you consider taking apart the heat sinks on camera so we all could see how good or bad the thermal pads are. Also what is a “good” brand CL30 that you recommend for AMD (these sticks don’t say anything about supporting AMD, just Intel)
1.45v 4600c20👌
works same with 9800x3d?
I’d be curious to know also. I tried it anyway with my 9800x3d and did get between 300-700 pts higher Timespy cpu score, so it definitely appears to be an improvement. I still need to stress test, though.
Edit: my 6400/2133 settings weren’t stable.