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Thing you hard on Ted I mean love is something you have to work on. And some of those girls are crazy And peop!e need to stop acting like it was just Ted chaseing Robin. She was also cheseing him
I don't agree with this nonsense vidéo. I don't know when we lost our good sense enough to think that Ted is the bad guy in How I Met Your Mother and not the predator Barney.
Makes you wonder if they were playing "Friends, the sociopath edition" where Ted and Barney and sometimes the others are convinced they're the good guys and sometimes Barney wonders "are we the baddies?" before shrugging and doing his thing anyway.
Even though the show tries to be self aware and have Ted’s friends call him out on his bad behavior, how he ended up meeting and marrying The Mother reinforced all his delusions. While Ted spent the entire showing dating and sleeping with countless women, The Mother only ever dated 2 people so she can remain pure and perfect. She also just happened to love all the weird quirky things Ted does, which is telegraphed as “They’re meant to be.” But there is no reason for The Mother to have fallen in love with him other than just to serve has Ted’s happy ending.
@@Some_guy_passing_by If this was a drama, it should've ended with Ted old and still single, finally learning that immaturity and whining won't give you a happy ending.
Also, Robin is not alone and miserable. She is struggling because she’s independent and feels excluded when she sees her friends. She has a happy life. But it’s tough to pursue your dreams and move away from your friends. But she’s always wanted what she can’t have either.
Right ?? People act like having a life and moving away from your friend is a situation like " Hah !! She is miserable!! That's what you get from choosing your career over a nice guy " . Usually these people find their own happiness instead of depending on others .
@@cheesecake4648 Yes, and that's pretty sad actually. From my perspective at least, as a childree and lover of the animals, of all shapes and forms hahaha. Never wanted kids, won't ever have some! I have the best niece and nephew ever (+ a lovely boyfriend who has a lovely young kid I really like), and I'm super happy. Not having kids is more than okay. I feel sad for the people who have them when they don't actually want to but do it anyway because that's the norm, and they don't question it internally. Also sad when you want kids and can't have them; it's a big mess.. But not having kids may also be a very happy choice :)
@@LuaBloe i happen to have a similar experience like Robin. I didn't discovered i has not fertile, but more like.. life. Years passed and I didn't have everything a child would need.... And I think it was a selfless act from my part (and my boyfriend). This year I will be 47 and I KNOW no child will be made. Not many could say they consider what a child should need and what can you give to a child. But i got my furry too. And I feel somewhat sad because approaching my old age I will need assistance and I don't know if my boyfriend would stay with me or I will stay alone. That scares me. In other times, a community was the one taking care of old people.
The thing I don't get is why the showrunners went out of their way to show how Ted and Robin didn't work in season 9, even making that scene where she goes away to the sky and he lets her go, to then retrieve all that in the finale. It just doesn't make sense. If your idea was to make them end up together, don't show us that they don't work for a whole season. That's what really vexes me.
It wasn’t just season 9, they were incompatible since the beginning and erasing their characters traits to force this ending made it worse. Ted and Robin are a terrible couple and nobody wanted that. They should have changed the ending it still made no sense. Robin’s character was diminished to make Ted look good and it still made him look like a shitty person. The show runners didn’t think the ending through and then proceeded to make it the audience’s fault that their ending sucked. The ending sucked because they had zero idea of how to end a long standing series where the audience was far removed from the ending they wanted. They failed because they refused to change an ending that made no sense to who these characters are and where they were in their lives.
Ted learning to accept Robin for the person she is and stop forcing her to become the person he wanted her to be was major character growth. And the Finale completely destroyed that growth.
And spending damn near the whole show explaining how glad Ted is for all the bad in his life because it lead to him meeting the most amazing woman in his life and why he loves her so much.
I see it more as Ted sort of agreeing with you: he finally realized that all he was getting out of the relationship with Robin was watching her marry his best friend. He genuinely moved on. Six year after the death of his wife, he's still friends with Robin and wondering whether they can be something more. The Mother is a misdirection, what the show is really about is Ted examining the last time he had feelings for Robin and wondering whether there's any hope of a better outcome this time round. And to some extent there is as the whole of the marriage arc that started back in season 7 features plenty of scenes where Robin tells/implies that she should be marrying Ted not Barney. Now, how reliable a narrator Ted is is debatable.
I think having the *male* lead of a romantic sitcom be the hopeless romantic who believes in love and "the one" above all else was a novel idea at the time, and a big hook for the show in the beginning. but, like a lot of things in this series, the longer it went on the less appealing it became. saying "i love you to robin" in episode one is interesting, subverts gender expectations etc etc, but the way he CONTINUES behaviour like that (alongside all the other creepy bullshit mentioned in this video) made him very quickly deeply unlikeable. when one of your other leads is a huge and unapologetic misogynist but HE'S the one with the wholesome character growth that everyone ends up loving the most, you've got a real problem with your Male Romantic Lead. basically i think the idea of a guy like ted in this sort of show in this era was great, but it was executed more and more poorly as the series went on. throw him in a 19th century gothic novel though and he'd be fantastic.
It's a perfect example of a show that was done dirty by being kept alive for too long. It kept doing numbers, so the network kept renewing it long after it had outgrown its premise. It would probably have been significantly improved if it had ended after four or five seasons.
@@BALTHAZAAR58 couldn't agree more. and it's a HUGE reason the finale is so awful - it's the plan from the beginning. i can imagine a world where after a couple of seasons ted and robin end up together, she is the mother that's the ending. but TOO MUCH character growth (and amount of times showing how they DONT work) had happened in 9 seasons for it to work anymore. absolutely no excuse for knowing it would be tedxrobin and still having barneyxrobin and then nuking it. insane choices. a lot of other shows avoid this trap by becoming fully an ensemble with no main protagonist, but the title, the voice over/future ted narrative device made that impossible. also side note cristin milioti is an angel and the only good thing about the final season. actually finding the perfect mother character and still ruining it my god.
It probably was a novel idea at the time, but it became less original as the show went on. I am not sure how many of the women who were hopeless romantics had all of Ted's problems. How does Ted compare to the female hopeless romantics at the time of this show? I am not sure they had "Nice Guy" syndrome or main character syndrome or expected The One. It would have been funny of a female lead dumped a man on his birthday and went home wearing his spaghetti.😂
Yeah, it's kinda telling that Josh Radnor is the only one out of the main cast who didn't find some success elsewhere. Ted was not a good person and a bland protagonist. Some argue Barney is worse as a person (which might be true), but he's definitely better as a character. He actually has a reason why he is the way he is, Ted just is the classic Nice Guy because that's who he is. Barney is also so over the top that everyone knows he's not to be taken seriously, while Ted gets portrayed as being reasonable. It also helps that Barney is charismatic and Ted is a wet blanket. Barney is a lovable rogue and the main instigator/catalyst of their adventures, Lily is the heart of the group and her character is the most expressive, Robin arguably has the best overall character arc as well as recurring joke with her teenage pop idol past, and Marshall is just a MVP all around. What does Ted contribute both to the group dynamic and as a character? Well, he's... present.
personally i love ted, he kind of reminds of myself in ways which is kind of scary sometimes especially because a lot of the stuff between him and robin remind me of stuff between me and one of my friends, even the part where she gets taken by one of my best friends😢
The kids cheering Ted on to date Robin was less realistic has been anything that happened in Star Wars. It’s not wrong to date after your spouse passes away, when healing and appropriate time has passed. But the framing was atrocious. These young teenagers are like “Thank God our loving sweet mom died so dad can go fulfill his creepy obsession with aunt Robin!!” Realistically, the boy would’ve called Ted an a$$hole, and the daughter would’ve started crying and then called him an a$$hole.
The kids are part Ted, yes. But they are part Tracy too, so they both are probably emotionally mature teenagers. So realistically, they would both start crying(in disbelief over their father's predicament), then leave to take some time off to cool their heads before walking back into the room and calling out their dad on his creepy behaviour. Happy ending. 😊
@@Barbinheimer-ke6fl the kids mentioned that they noticed attraction between Robin and Ted, within the 6 years of her visiting them, and how well they got along with aunt Robin. So realistically speaking, it was the right reaction after Ted finished the story. Also the kids always witnessed how Ted really loved their mother, all those years they were married. The gang or Ted, never mentioned to Tracy, that they(Robin and Ted) were in a relationship before, hence respecting her as Ted's wife. Tracy knew about Stella but not about Robin . Ps. That's what I like of the show, different points of view, from the same situation. So far the best sitcom so far.
Barney and Robin’s relationship was just pure tragedy. They had the best chemistry, Barney supported her and even tossed his toxic habits aside and changed all for Robin. Ted tried to force her to conform for him and he never wanted to change for her. He made her get rid of her dogs since it was from her exes, but he couldn’t get rid of the things he kept from his exes. Hollywood habitually gets romance wrong by thinking guys like Ted are the “good guys”.
They say that Barney and Robin are toxic especially TR shippers and finale supporters but Ted and Robin are an absolute disaster of a relationship. They never understood each other, Ted put her on an imaginary pedestal nobody else could have her because he saw her first. They are an incompatible couple with zero chemistry or things in common. The people saying the ending made sense needs to be checked in the head for a concussion. Robin’s true love story was with Barney so them breaking up at all made no sense to their relationship. In fact nothing about the last two seasons made no sense to this relationship. They were put through hell before and after meeting, their lives in general were a mess it wasn’t them as a couple but their lives in general. Forcing the audience to like a couple (Ted/Robin) didn’t take from Barney and Robin true and genuine relationship. They deserved to be together without anymore issues in their lives. So the ending made no sense for them. Maybe for Ted regarding Tracy but NOT Barney and Robin. The divorce made no sense and at the characters backwards instead of forward. The ending is disrespectful to not only the characters but the actors and the audience.
Please please. Make a video on Jake paralta and loveable hero trope.... Also make a video on Terry jeffords and healthy masculinity these characters really are great examples of male role model and they deserve place on this channel i request you to make a video on them✨✨✨
I went on a date with someone who said HIMYM was one of her favorite shows. I had to hold back what an entitled ass Ted Mosby was. Should’ve taken that as a warning to run away.
I liked the show. But I liked it for the other characters. Barbie and Robin should have stayed together man they showed better compatibility and growth together. But oh well.
The one thing that I liked about the final season was how Future Ted wrapped up the stories of several recurring characters, not just the main group. A lot of long running shows seem to solely wrap up the main characters' arcs, while neglecting to mention the secondary characters. Young Sheldon did this, especially to Paige and Veronica.
The only difference between Ted and Barney is that Ted has an ego about how he is in relationships and Barney is honest about being a bad person who used women. However, Barney was actually capable of changing for the better.
The more I live, the less I respect the notion of "The One". Sure we've been lied to by movies and shows all our lives, but sooner or later we have to realize how life works
I literally knew at least two people who swore by the way relationships were portrayed in this show. The 1st one developed a skewed view of love which led them to constantly envy their friends who were in stable relationships. They would pine for being in a relationship, and would often focus on recreating the grand gestures displayed by Ted in the show. Every person they crushed on would eventually learn of their obsession of finding "the one" and would therefore avoid them. Last I heard of them, they‘re still single. The 2nd one literally quoted a line from the show as a reason for them breaking up with a friend of mine. This person never wanted to work on the relationship and expected that my friend fulfill a certain "checklist" in their head of how their relationship should be. One of the silliest things they‘ve said according to my friend: "Well… you should like the same video games I do, like Mario Kart." This person went on saying that "the relationship should be effortless", yet maintaining in their head a near impossible checklist that, which they measured my friends‘ worth against.
@@ms0824oh I wish! Unfortunately, these two I knew used HIMYM as their "love bible", letting the show quite *literally* dictate the way they approached romantic and interpersonal relationships, as they (without fail) quoted the characters especially Ted lots of times, while trying to mirror the story beats in their own lives.
I have an uncle like number 2. It never occurs to him other people have checklists too. He's very rules for thee, not for me and I think emotional maturity peaked at age 19.
I'd describe this more as a trial of Ted's character than as a genuine critique or analysis - it feels much more interested in making sure we dislike him than learn anything from him. The fact that the video doesn't even bring up the juxtaposition between Barney and Ted - one pursuing sex and the other pursuing romance - is pretty instructive here I'd say. It's a shame because the critique of expecting one's romantic life to unfold like a love story is itself more interesting, and something the show itself is already clearly interested in exploring by contrasting Ted's efforts to force relationships to work with the mother, who comes into his life completely by chance in the end and who, notably, he never has to "fight for" at all (even if the forced twist ending undermines this somewhat). But I'd say the video is afraid that working through those complexities would leave us with equally complex feelings about Ted, which it is not interested in having.
His bad traits are not an accident. None of their bad traits are. The group is objectively messed up, except for Marshall and even then, meh. Ted is meant to be awful. That is the point. He had serious emotional problems during that part of his life. I didn't mind, Ted seemed fine. Not my favorite character, but y'all are acting like he was the Devil.
@jake8269 He was very whiny, annoying and entitled. Even by the end of the show it still felt like he hasn’t quite grown out of that, he just buried those traits deep down a bit more. The other characters are pretty bad as far as their actions go yes, but at least they’re more fun to watch because they have more charisma to them, like Barney. The supporting characters are what helped elevate the show more.
'How I Met Your Mother' is the internal monologue of Ross from 'Friends'. They are the same, because they cannot see anyone else how they understand themselves, but only in relation to him. Such a person doesn't understand the sweet pain of sacrificing your own wants and wishes for the happiness of others - the ones you care for and want them to care for you - and how acquiescing to become 'the secondary character' instedad of a protagonist of their lives, you are giving them the most profund gift of true, selfless love.
HIMYM is an imitation of Friends; wasn't surprised that Ted ended up with Robin aka Rachel; she at least had a chance to have a career and didn't end up up with Ted's child. Robin deserved so much better, like Penny in Big Bang Theory. Leonard's is nice but Penny should have ended up with someone better, same with Amy Bernadette and Raj.
So, on one level, I agree with you that Ted and Ross have a TON of similarities.. that said, what people don’t understand about season 9 is that it is in fact the climax of the story (Ted’s story) because Ted DOES put his selfish desires aside and become the side character for Barney and Robin’s wedding. He actually in this case finally does see other people’s point of view and even though it’s hard for him allows himself to become the secondary character in their story.
Ok so while I hate the way himym ended, I mostly hate it because they failed to show us the development. The reason he tells the story with the shadow of robin so strong is because he at the moment of telling the story is in love again with robin. That’s why he is an unreliable narrator. If we heard the story while his wife was still alive it would have been a very different story I think. The shoemakers failed to show that nuance and so ted became an even bigger dick with how the story ended
The sad thing is Ted was hurt by someone with main character syndrome. Tony, the guy who stole his fiancée and wrote a movie about it. But like with every other potential learning opportunity Ted learned nothing.
And the funny thing about the Stella situation is that 100% would have ended in divorce in a few months. Because like everyone was saying they where moving way to fast and neither of them where ready for that after such a short time of dating.
Criticizing Ted Mosby for having all these flaws is like dissing The Boys because Billy Butcher wants to desperately murder Homelander above anything else, jeapordizing the well-being of his "friends". THE FLAWS ARE THE REASON WHY THE CHARACTER IS SO INTERESTING.
Yes but the issue is the show doesn't see the flaws and the show acts like he's a great guy. If in the end of the show ted learned that he was stupid earlier ro something then it would be fine.
@@niharika3280This isn’t true. At least not completely. Ted literally narrates that it’s about who he had to become in order to meet his mother and that he’s not sure that even he would like the person he was back then, Which viewed in that lense makes the story very interesting and it’s a great lesson. Everything was about learning something and changing slowly to be able to meet the mother. And I also don’t dislike Ted and Robin’s relationship in season 2. The fact is that Robin is a broken person and her obsession with her career is a coping mechanism rather than something to aspire as a woman. The writers intended it to be that way from the beginning if you pay attention tying it to her issues with her father. Her relationship with ted was about her learning to let someone in that did deeply care about her. Her saying: “if I was gonna have someone’s babies, I’d have your babies” was very compelling to me, because it meant that she lived and trusted Ted enough that she was beginning to change. I think barney and robin fit together yes and had better chemistry, but they’re two broken people who together wouldn’t fix each other which is why the first time they were together they exacerbated their flaws in each other. I know barney changed a bit for robin, but it’s still very much a relationship where they support each others bad qualities like their vindictive nature. This is not reality. This is fairytale land. And at the end of it they were still broken. I think that part was very realistic even though I think the ending was subpar and ted and tracy should’ve stayed together.
It annoyed me that Ted basically wanted his soulmate to be a clone of him. Like yeah I love that my husband likes Dumb and Dumber since I do, but we also grew together and ye got me into Lord of the Rings, for instance! But Ted isn’t as annoying as Lily.
I've always felt like Lily was the worst character on the show (if you don't count Barney, who was basically an absurd level of shitty for laughs,) but we'll see if the Take ever makes a video about her. Throughout the course of the show she.... -Breaks up with Marshall to pursue her dream of being a professional painter. -Leaves Ted stranded on the side of the road (happens twice.) -Sabotages any relationship Ted has with a girl she doesn't like. -Almost gets Ted fired by messing with his dick boss. -Hides her credit card debt from Marshall, and tries to push him into a job he'll hate for the money. (Also then gives Marshall shit at one point for selling out.) -Cancels Christmas because she overheard an old voicemail where Ted called her a bitch for dumping Marshall, and abandoning them both to pursue her dream. (The Take video shows a clip of Ted saying he won't apologize to make him look bad. He was refusing to apologize for trying to help his friend move on after having his heart broken.) -Claims that Marshall is being selfish for accepting the judgeship, claiming that they had competing dream jobs on the line. When in reality, being an art consultant was never her dream job; it was being a painter. Being a judge was actually in line with Marshall's dream, which was protecting the environment. Also, Lily's gig in Italy was for a year, the judgeship was a lifetime appointment. -Trying to Manipulate Ted to win her side of the Ted/Robin bet with Marshall (Marshall also guilty of this.) -Overall giving terrible advice and being a hypocrite at times, but the show always portrayed her as the wise one in the group for some reason. This list is not exhaustive.....
Rewatching this show, it's hard to like any of the main characters, except for possibly Marshall. But even then, he's really codependent with Lily, and even gives up his long term dream for her and their growing family.
I feel like once the show ran for too long and character arcs wrapped up, the jogging in place regressed a bunch of characters. I remember feeling it when Marshall and Lily were in the suburbs.
There are no good realtionships on HIMYM. Barney is a manipulative sex hound. Robin is emotionally unstable due to her issues with her father. Marshall and Lily are a co-dependant nightmare. Ted's worst crime is that he idealizes love to the point of perfectionism. He can never truly be happy because nothing can live up to the idealized fantasy in his head. Even Tracy doesn't work out the way he wanted so he eventually just circles back around to Robin.
Because the writers wanted a funny cast but also wanted to actually give them happy life's and relationships. The cast is fucked and so, their relationships are all terrible.
I’ve been rewatching the show lately and man my distaste of Ted has just grown and grown. His whole view on love, life, treating people and most importantly Robin was 100% wrong. And seeing him just go on and on and on and ON about Robin who never shared his views or wants on life while at the same screwing over so many other women by his narrow views is just INSANELY frustrating. You would think that the arc of Ted would be to FINALLY let go of Robin and this maddening and stalkerish obsession he has with her but nope. We have Ted admit to his kids he was emotionally cheating on their mother for years with Robin, and then the writers use Tracy as a surrogate for the kids he wanted before they get them back together even though it makes NO SENSE. Ted is one of those characters that make you insanely frustrated because of their destructive and never ending stupidity.
Maybe if the studio didn't try milking the show for 6 extra seasons beyond its expiration, we could have gotten characters that developed and weren't forced into becoming psychos.
Your analysis videos are always so good. Could we please take a sek and remember how he made Robin give up her dogs... because they reminded him of her exes... ? 😅 I mean...
Is this channel intentionally changing it's narrative style? I don't normally feel real hatred for a fictional character on this channel but that tone slipped from professional to bitchy a few times there.
how I met your mother taught me if I like a girl and she doesn't feel the same way, I should never move on or get over her. I should wait because she'll just change her mind, she clearly does like me I just need to wait for her to realise it.
So I'm sure you're being facetious, but I will say, the reason why the "it was Robin all along" ending is bad is because it happens a few minutes in TV time from us seeing that Ted did truly move on from Robin. But for the characters was years later. That the idea of wanting reconnect with Robin built well after he had lost his wife and mourned that loss. If there had been one more season (not saying there should have been) that basically told the story that we see in the finale of the characters moving on after the wedding, I don't think that ending would have been as jarring.
I can sit through a playlist of the Take's HIMYM videos over and over. I watched this show as it was airing as a kid and was SO invested. I especially loved Robin, I got really attached to her. The ending left me furious; it made NO sense. I didn't need a happily ever after, but how they tried to end things was genuinely bad writing. Videos like this are still so cathartic for my lack of closure, thank you.
I feel like when they were developing the show, they came up with Ted Mosby as "Lloyd Dobler with the boombox, but that's his entire character....and the girl is arbitrary"
@@unicornsprinkles8964 am hoping am on the same page but I agree Marshall and Lily act so in your face to the other characters because they are the only hally couple of the group.
Lily treated her supposed love of the life so poorly ... When she broke up because she was going to another city . How hard was it , not breaking up ?? They could've talked less , sure , but breaking up and then crawling back ?? Ugh . If her career took a flight , she would've never wanted to get back with Marshall.
@@Some_guy_passing_by What? Watch that scene again. It was Marshall who gave her a ultimatum. Being an artist was always her dream, but she gave up and support Marshall's dream of being a lawyer for years. When she gets this opportunity all she asks is to postpone the wedding for a few months, just to enjoy this experience. But Marshall refuses, he was the one to give the ultimatum. Lily never wanted to break up with him
Ted season 1 was especially unwatchable the first season. You can tell they could tell, and toned down his desperate, ego-maniac mindset. Not that it went away, but really toned down. Also Robin’s story is a cautionary tale, which I don’t mind and is very realistic to any person who wants to focus on their goals. Her being alone with 5 dogs again was a great ending for her character, it’s just the ending back up with Ted and Barney going back to being horrible to women and having a daughter is what ruined the cautionary of it.
I agree with everything except that Ted thinks everything revolves around him. There are some times when he understands that the woman he loves is in a true romantic relationship with someone else and he accepts it (Stella and Maggie).
I still think about the theory that what we see is how Ted saw it and literally what we see in the characters is not how they acted, but that's how he described them
Ted did not deserve The Mother, Tracy. He got to have one night stands for years, a three-way, multiple serious girlfriends (two of which he proposed to,) while Tracy had a grand total of two serious relationships in her entire adult life (one of which DIED!) Ted's "number" throughout the show was about 30! And he even shamed Robin for whatever her number was as if 30 is some super low number. Tracy deserved someone like Marshall. Ted was Barney Junior.
Ted isn’t supposed to be a hero or a role model, he’s supposed to be a clown. Why do we have to categorize everything told from a male POV as toxic even when it really isnt? Said a different way, yeah Ted is immature…. That’s kind of the point.. the show isnt called “How Meeting Your Mother Was A Catalyst for Me to Grow Up Into A More Mature Partner For Her”, it’s called How I Met Your Mother. I notice a lot in the criticism of young male characters from women that there is this idea that men are supposed to be mature finished products and not also people who get to grow up along their journey just like women do. People who don’t get the last season and the finale often criticize it by saying that the last season focused on Barney and Robin and the show finished in a knee jerk sort of way, but what they are missing is that 1) this is still Ted’s story and 2) season 9 is the climax of Ted’s story and growth because he finally sees other people’s POV, loves both Robin and Barney unselfishly and decides to be a secondary character in their story in stead of continuing to have the main character syndrome that makes him the clown-main character for this whole comedy show. It is this getting over that trait that actually does make him ready for his experience with Tracy.
Has anyone ever counted the amount of times a female-character has made a guy quit his career or persuing his passions to be with her cause I dunno if there's even nearly as many as women doing the same thing when men expect a woman to prioritize a not-so-perfect-or-even-nice guy over whatever other meaningful things they have or can have in their lives. No one's perfect and sometimes the only thing convincing someone in this society to compromise one's entire life for just one person they've barely known for a full year is FOMO. Ted is one of those heavily red-flagged men people should far stay away from unless hopefully he eventually learned his lesson when he got older.
I don't have a count. but that is the ending to "what woman want" starring Mel Gibson of all people. He gives up his career to go be in a relationship with Meryl Streep. It's just as dumb when the guy does it..
@@JARD7318 For sure. But to quote Eric Cartman. There was no way he could get caught. he was literally reading her mind. and anybody she told Mel Gibson is reading my mind and stealing my ideas. would think she was a nutjob. Heck if Mel Gibson told somebody that he could read minds and since he lost the ability at that point they would just pat him on the shoulder and think he's been working too hard. so it was basically quitting his job. and a fair bit of self destruction. It should also be pointed out that if he hadn't stolen her ideas he would have been fired anyway. that's the context he was the marketing executive and there was only room for one. Meril Streep was brought in because they were looking to replace him. If there was room for 2 of them then Streep shouldn't have lost her job. She was a junior at the company it was okay for Gibson to outshine her for a bit when she starts. Or at least that should be the case. There are few morals to be found in a corporate workplace. that's kinda just accepted by society. He is told to exploit his ability by his psychologist of all people. so he does. It's also interesting because he was a beloved actor at the time and now is not seen that way. so we see his actions as much creepier now. To bring it back to the OPs comment; if Mel Gibson got mind reading powers and chose NOT to use them on Meril Streep to steal her ideas and lost his job because of it. would anybody find that romantic? or would they just think that was dumb? Is it romantic either way? what if it was some younger more hot actor?
Somewhere here on TH-cam is the alternative ending still available, where Barney and Robin stay together. I always combine the show‘s final season with this one unofficial episode. Makes so much more sense
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Couldn't agree more to every single thing said in this video! The worst prblm of this show is that the writer agreed with Ted'd whole character (as described in this video) And bcoz of that, the writer ruined teh story of three characters (Robin, Barney and Tracy) completely, just so Ted can "win". Robin was always clear and vocal about the relationship she wanted, yet Ted constantly kept forcing his idea of "the one" on her. For once I liked that finally Robin and Ted are not together, and then the writer made Robin regret the decision of marrying Barney, she wanted to run away with Ted, and then if that wasn't enough, got divorced after all that nonsense build up. They made it look like it was her fault that she drifted apart from the group. They made her REGRET not choosing Ted. (congrats Ted you win) They ruined the entire character development of Barney and pushed him back into his initial character just so Ted can get Robin again. And the worst of all, they simply eliminated Tracy (the one after which the show is named, in a sitcom) just so Ted could get Robin, and he could win.
I think that at heart that your looking too deep into this. Teds not the almighty terrible man hes flawed and thats what makes a sitcom. The characters FLAWS. Every sitcom has characters who are terribly flawed but yet we still watch them because they're flaws make them interesting. Also i disagree with a few of the points you made: that ted thinks the world revolves around him, he most definitely doesnt with Stella and that girl next door in The Window episode. That he never grows, he does grow in fact he grows to the point where he realises that he cant be in new york cause its not fair to Barney or Robin until he met Tracy which allowed him to let go of Robin until she died. And that he thinks everyone else's shortcomings are permanent failings at life like him overcoming Stella's betrayal, overcoming the fact that Lily betrayed his best friend and him, and that Barney was a permanently bad person
Within the narrative of the show, i really wonder if Unreliable Narrator Ted was intentionally adding/embellishing details to scapegoat and vilify Barney in order to feel better about himself and the fact that Barney had real chemistry and compatibility with Robin.
That’s very harsh. The whole point of the show is him showing that he was immature and it was good that he didn’t meet Tracy before it all. And when Stella dumps him he does learn that they weren’t meant to be. Yes, his not taking no for an answer is problematic. But truly, there’s a massive caveat to everything else: he keeps saying that he was wrong and immature. And to be fair, wanting what you can’t have is absolutely relatable.
People just enjoy destroying Ted. This show is about growing up, dating and making mistakes and how you sometimes mistreat women. Suits is about winning a case every episode. Friends is about their friendships and how they spend time together and sometimes have problems. But when How I Met Your Mother sticks to the subject matter which is love . Somehow Ted the protagonist is a psychopath😂😂😂😂. It should have been How I Got My Job. Maybe people will back off
@@azikiwesnay7718 It just kills me that the series made it painfully clear that these people were flawed. And it feels like this is not allowed anymore. I get that we should try to model good behaviour but what about the truth? And the truth is we’re all struggling to fight knee jerk reactions and our worst instincts. They call each other out on their bad behaviour which is more than most people would dare to do IRL.
@@miliesomethingdo4379 on the contrary look at how people praise Barney and Marshall. Barney is nothing but flaws and Marshall I believe suffered from a few addictions I think smoking and drinking were the addictions and people talk about them as if they are the epitome of what a good person should represent. I love love love Ted because he wants to grow up and he is growing up. The lessons he has taught me are golden nuggets of wisdom and I was rooting for him to find the love he deserves (Tracy not Robin) Society doesn't want people to grow up. I've noticed people who working themselves are heavily scrutinized even in the real world.
@@azikiwesnay7718 I guess Ted and Lily are in the same box. People can’t simply pathologize their behaviour so they hate on them… I don’t know… I hate that everyone piles on HIMYM and lionizes Friends. I don’t know why everyone focuses on that final scene when it’s a freaking miracle that Tracy wasn’t a complete letdown after the build up she had.
And calling him a terrible friend its just pushing things too much, he was a great friend for fun times but also for thought moments. This is very harsh.
For me the point of no return on Ted was when he was running all over hell’s half-acre to get the necklace for Robin and Jeannette was the one who called out his toxic obsession which then prompted Ted’s impassioned response about ‘love’ … if someone as unhinged as Jeannette could see how problematic his behaviour was that should have been a major red flag alone for Ted
Ted Mosby was a lot like Tom Hansen from 500 Days of Summer. Tom was also an unreliable narrator with a bad case of Main Character Syndrome. Tom was also wrong about romance completely and wanted a woman to be "The One." We only see from Tom's point of view and we see how he ignores Summer.
Unpopular opinion: He ist human and pretty realistic. Everyone i know has been sslf absorbed and reckless at times. Everyone has been lost and thought they were a hero, when sometimes, they were a villain in someone elses story. That does not make him a bad person. It just makes him human.
I love this show. I don't know why, but I do. And it's SO NICE to see a video that says everything I've been saying in my head about Ted since day one! Ted is almost a worse person than Barney.
Id love to see you guys cover some of the Scrubs characters. I feel like they would be interesting charcter studies and although I love the show, JD is quite similar to Ted 😂
So I think one of the things the show unfortunately rushed through and undermined with final few episodes and the finale (not the VERY end with Robin, but the "finally meeting the mother" part) was supposed to be. What we were supposed to see was that Ted finally did learn some of the lessons he refused to learn. He didn't lovebomb the mother, he was much more respectful of her and her feelings than he was of the previous women, he let go of having to have everything be perfect. While I think that we do see an initial "spark" between Ted and Tracy there's definitely the idea that they grew a relationship and that it wasn't all in from the very beginning. He didn't have a grand wedding, they got married years later after having kids in a small ceremony on a weekday. He loved her back unconditionally. Like I said they didn't do a good job of showing that growth but I think this video ignores that they tried to show that.
I’m rewatching it right now and I want to throw him out the window with how toxically obsessed with Robin. It’s exhausting to just have him force her into liking him despite her being clear she doesn’t share his views on life or family.
He wanted true love, he's not bad for wanting that. He just wants to skip to the end of the story and be happy, it's hard to have to constantly be forced to watch your college roomate be happy with the women he met freshman year.
Himym is the equivalent of friends for another generation: it’s iconic. I’m 22, I am way more attached to himym than friends BUT I never get that nostalgia that drives me to have a rewatch (I have a couple of times, but I have watched my favourite shows over and over like 5/6 times), the characters I’m attached to the most are robin and Barney, I never liked Ted that much anyway. Just like friends, it aged very badly and oddly enough the character that is the most problematic is not who’d you expect (Barney) but rather the nice guy
This whole video is a hateful view of the story that leaves a lot of plots where Teds actually grows up recognizing his mistakes. Feels like a projection full of resentment to a fiction character that represents many things but that creates a narrative of only you see the bad… it’s not a coherent view of the character of the show
This video takes for granted all the small and big things Ted did for all his friends. I'm not a Ted fan, but even I could see this is incredibly biased. Even the clips you show of Ted being "bad" are out of context.
i probably watched it around 2018 and started to like it. It was running for a long time I guess. So I happened to notice the name before. I started to know all the characters and started liking them kinda I mean whatever friend adventures they had. I was surprised to figure out that the show is named" How I Met Your Mother "while the mother character was barely present. The idea was nice telling your kids about earlier days but would have been nice if we could know more about Tracy, " the mother". I wish Tracy was introduced before and she was the one for Ted only. It would have been nice to see Ted still loving her after her passing . I was young when I watched it and on some days it felt like Ted and Barney were doing the same thing in different ways. I was like why is Barney a womanizer but I am also seeing Ted with multiple women. It felt like both of them dated or slept with the whole New York. I didn't know how sitcoms work then that was my take on it. I really liked Robin with Barney . I was really happy when they got married. I could see the chemistry between them. I also could see the chemistry between Ted and Tracy. So, the ending made me sad. But I can't actually hate wholly Ted because it was also the writer's fault.
I do agree with the take but the comment section seem to forget two things: 1- it's fiction and 2- its writters were thinking as what actual humans do... and humans suck, we make mistakes, we are selfish, we think we are good and the center of the universe, we make poor decisions and lie to excuse our behaviors. We can analize and a analize fictional characters but do we want to watch relatable full of flaw shows or a fairy tale where unicorns poop rainbows.
i just realised how similar ted and charlotte from SAC are and both exactly got what they wanted just that one of them grew up and learned from their mistakes and the other didn’t
Now my evil list just moved from Lily at number 1 to Ted is the ultimate villain... OMG, after its ending 3-5 years ago we 're still getting new content. I don't even know is HIMYM was a bad series anymore
They wrote the ending ahead of time, so why would it be so hard to have Ted change to be a better partner for Robin? Would that really have been so hard to write?
Him wanting robin to get rid of her dogs wasnt all of his fault. .to side with him .robin ask him to get rid of his things so its fair that she need to return the favor and do the same. . I would too hallucinate some hot exes my gf date in the face of her things. . Plus robin did start this stint That being said . Asking robin to get rid of her dogs is like asking her to get rid of her son that she had with her exes which is downright ridiculous
I just started rewatching the show this afternoon to procrastinate but now the reality check of this video is too harsh and I don’t think I can stand it now. Time to try something else, fresh prince perhaps?
If they'd ended the show differently, it could've shown him learning a lesson. Yet they went the deranged avenue leaving him exactly the same schmuck he started out as
So glad people are criticise Ted now, I remember when tge show came out he was always described as just a romantic. By the end of the show I hated him, Marshall on the other hand ❤❤❤
Hearing this video, How I met your mother is basically YOU, with the audience being gaslighted into thinking they are watching romantic comedy while it is a drama/thriller/horror. If the lighting/color scheme was a little different the feeling nobody would be fooled this is a romantic comedy.
I despise this show for ruining itself. I was always 100% aware of Ted's toxic, unhealthy traits, and that he was not the down trodden, down on his luck, good guy the show wanted the audience to see him as mostly because Ted is based on the creator's own life and no one ever sees them as the bad guy in their own life story but this show still had the potential to be excellent if it had stuck to its guns because it was in Barney (and his relationship with Robin) that you saw actual character growth, a man bettering himself for the woman he loves, and two people accepting each other as is and made the show worth watching for 9 seasons only for it to turn out like a long con.
As much as I had fun watching HIMYM back in HS for what it was, a funny sitcom, I really regret that later I showed this show to a very susceptible friend who ended up becoming a mega fan. He already had some... Issues, with his perception of what are relationships, but after watching and obsessing over the show, and trying to relate EVERYTHING to it and use it to justify his nonsense, he became really insufferable most of the time, not only as a friend, but also with all of his partners that I've met, and in the end is what made me put some very wide distance between us The following examples are things he already had before, but after watching the series, he felt like he had the perfect justification while trying to act as either Ted or Barney, depending on what was convenient at the time He started to try to justify some pretty toxic behaviors in our friendship with "the bro code" Over-idealizes every woman who is nice to him, or finds attractive to the point a single name could mean 3 different people at one time and he would have to put a number besides their name so that it would be less confusing, and when eventually because of that he became a cheater and womanizer, trying to justify all his behaviors with the idea of him "trying to find the one" Tried to present himself as a relationships expert because he has watched the series more than it's humanly healthy and considering he never has had a healthy relationship it sounds so hypocritical and annoying Would not shut up about how me and my girlfriend are Marshall and Lily all the time, because he idealized our relationship and wanted something like it, not to mention before he used to call both my gf and my ex my "Tracy and Robin" which... No, just no Ad he really started to show up proudly more and more insecurities as "good guy green flags" to prove he is "worthy to women" He ruined this show for me, I was able to separate reality from fiction, and laugh about people worse adjusted than me in ridiculous situations, laugh about NPH deliveries, laugh about all the cameos, watch actors like Coby Smoulders and Cristin Milioti at the start of their careers being funny, but he took it so seriously that it's just hell watching a single episode without remembering him trying his best to force himself into the alternate reality of the show
@@stephanieok5365 funny enough... Not quite, he is too deep in his HIMYM delusion He's had moments of using fitness, or extreme formality as "personality" traits (or should I say, "Barney style plays"), but only momentarily when he's trying to impress a woman, but he always snaps back, he has a moderately successful career in the cooking scene of my city because he's a pretty good chef, but he's held back because of his immaturity, mostly he's the same dude I met in HS, just, like I said, trapped in a sitcom delusion
@@alejandroreyes8878 all that life experience and no emotional development is peak Ted. 🤔 I hope the food scene keeps him too busy for TH-cam algorithms. I get that stuff pushed to me from my weightlifting hobby and it's so brutal I'm sure it'd make the existing problems much worse. 💀
I have always been convinced that Ted is the most unreliable narrator and is highly embellishing most of what he is telling in the story and that he is projecting most of his character flaws onto Barney as a way to make himself look good. Like Robin is a smart woman right. She is clever and witty and sharp. Do you really think someone like her would get with someone as disgustingly misogynistic and gross and often times racist as Barney? They were well suited because they were compatible and that tells me that he was actually not as gross as he is made out to be. Maybe a little cocky but is really just charming and charismatic and comfortable in his sense of self unlike Ted. Ted was basically jealous of how cool and popular and suave Barney was and how he was a better match for Robin so in his story he basically does some character assassination and makes Barney out to be awful when really it's him. Ted wanted a way to justify getting with Robin in the end so he makes Barney out to be just the worst kind of guy when the likely truth is the Barney is quite good. I have often wondered how different the story would have been if we had seen it through the eyes of Robin or Barney or just anyone else cus I feel like the truth about Ted would be exposed.
This anti-Ted stuff is pretty cringe. Look, this is a sitcom. There is a level of absurdity present in this show and many others like it. When you look at it through the lense of morality of everyday people, then all of the main characters are horrible people. The only one whos semi-decent is Marshall. So, its really not that deep. You cant take the entire thing that seriously. Christ.
I can sympathise with Ted for not wanting to give a toast at his mother’s wedding 💒 Feeling like you haven’t met enough milestones as a man is tough to deal with. What Ted’s mother sees as a gesture of support, may feel like a humiliation to Ted 😢
The one time I felt like Ted was actually in the right was when his fiance left him at the altar and then they messed it up what's the baggage episode at the very end
The most jerkass moment of Ted, in my view, is when he refused to reconsider his decision over the Arcadian demolition issue after learning Barney is going to lose job because of him. Like, seriously, your friend vouched for you to get your dream job, now you learn that your choice will cost both your job and even his, and this, this doesn't bother you at all? This doesn't even change your mind a little bit? What a giant douchebag. His words after Robin asked to think about it are, "There's nothing to think about. Zoey is the only thing that matters to me right now." Yep, even after what Barney has done for him on this particular issue, the girl is still the only thing matters. Eventually Ted did change side, but we all know it's never about his friend. It's because he realized having no future with the girl. If I were Barney and learnt about Ted's response, the question of whether I matter to him is going to haunt me for life. Also, Marshall is acting terribly on this issue too. I get that he got screwed by his boss after resignation and really needed a job. Speaking of needing a job, remember when Marshall was desperate, DESPERATE for one and who helped him? This kind of favor is usually something that one is gonna remember for a long time. But he seems to forget it and ignore that taking Zoey's side is going against Barney.
I mean he’s a pretty awful person. All the characters are deeply flawed people (but so are we all in real life, these are just exaggerated versions) but at the end of the day, that’s why it’s funny and this is what matters in a comedy, not any deeper meaning or moral education….
I think that Theodore Evelyn Mosby is judged way too harshly. I think that what everyone sees as Ted being horrible in his stories is not who he is at all. I don't think the man himself got his own point until towards the end of the show. I think what he and the title says is how he met his kid's mother is not the story being told. According to the kids it's not about their mom it's about their Aunt Robin and Ted asking if it's ok to move on. Which is technically correct but it's also a cautionary tale of how not to be while trying to grow and change for the better. Every story highlights what he did wrong and what he learned from said wrong behavior. The Ted we see in the flash backs isn't who Ted is at all but who he used to be. This is a man who's learned his lesson and is passing on his knowledge. The biggest lesson he learned is appreciation for those around him, those who stood by him even when they knew he was 1000% wrong. It taught him humility and responsibility. Think about it, he went through all the nonsense and craziness to find the one only to lose her maybe 10 yrs into their relationship and having only been married for 5 of them. That making his final lesson you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
I can never bring myself to rewatch himym. I binged it a few years ago bc everyone was going on and on and on about how bad the ending is. I watched the show just so i possibly defend it or understand it but no. I had to take gaps on the binge bc i fr hated watching Ted decide how love works.
I don't think somebody as good looking as Robin spent 6 years miserable and alone. It is just that she never talked about her PRIVATE life with Ted or the kids. Or at least I believed that is what happened from 2024 to 2030.
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Thing you hard on Ted I mean love is something you have to work on. And some of those girls are crazy
And peop!e need to stop acting like it was just Ted chaseing Robin. She was also cheseing him
I don't agree with this nonsense vidéo. I don't know when we lost our good sense enough to think that Ted is the bad guy in How I Met Your Mother and not the predator Barney.
@@Romance_dream_ I mean, Barney at least understands he's doing things wrong.
Makes you wonder if they were playing "Friends, the sociopath edition" where Ted and Barney and sometimes the others are convinced they're the good guys and sometimes Barney wonders "are we the baddies?" before shrugging and doing his thing anyway.
Ted is a good guy. People useing small things. To make him seem bad.
Even though the show tries to be self aware and have Ted’s friends call him out on his bad behavior, how he ended up meeting and marrying The Mother reinforced all his delusions. While Ted spent the entire showing dating and sleeping with countless women, The Mother only ever dated 2 people so she can remain pure and perfect. She also just happened to love all the weird quirky things Ted does, which is telegraphed as “They’re meant to be.” But there is no reason for The Mother to have fallen in love with him other than just to serve has Ted’s happy ending.
Framing and aesthetic supersedes text.
Ted never deserved the Mom . Irl , people like her would stay away from Ted .
@@Some_guy_passing_by If this was a drama, it should've ended with Ted old and still single, finally learning that immaturity and whining won't give you a happy ending.
Yeah I can't see why such a charismatic, talented and compassionate woman married such a codependent nightmare like Ted
@@Some_guy_passing_by he's narcissist and neurotic
Also, Robin is not alone and miserable. She is struggling because she’s independent and feels excluded when she sees her friends. She has a happy life. But it’s tough to pursue your dreams and move away from your friends. But she’s always wanted what she can’t have either.
Right ?? People act like having a life and moving away from your friend is a situation like " Hah !! She is miserable!! That's what you get from choosing your career over a nice guy " . Usually these people find their own happiness instead of depending on others .
i think people sees others not having children as miserable...
@@cheesecake4648 Yes, and that's pretty sad actually. From my perspective at least, as a childree and lover of the animals, of all shapes and forms hahaha. Never wanted kids, won't ever have some! I have the best niece and nephew ever (+ a lovely boyfriend who has a lovely young kid I really like), and I'm super happy. Not having kids is more than okay. I feel sad for the people who have them when they don't actually want to but do it anyway because that's the norm, and they don't question it internally. Also sad when you want kids and can't have them; it's a big mess.. But not having kids may also be a very happy choice :)
@@LuaBloe i happen to have a similar experience like Robin. I didn't discovered i has not fertile, but more like.. life. Years passed and I didn't have everything a child would need.... And I think it was a selfless act from my part (and my boyfriend). This year I will be 47 and I KNOW no child will be made. Not many could say they consider what a child should need and what can you give to a child.
But i got my furry too.
And I feel somewhat sad because approaching my old age I will need assistance and I don't know if my boyfriend would stay with me or I will stay alone. That scares me. In other times, a community was the one taking care of old people.
I feel that's how the writers WANTED us to see her and it backfired on them 😂
I'm not saying I disagree, but it is objectively funny to complain that the main character of the show suffers from "main character syndrome."
To quote a better show: Abed we're all on your side. So if you're also on your side, it's petty
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@@VinBuenaagua Terrific quote
Yeah but that syndrome doesn't really work when we're meant to sympathize with the character.
The irony appears lost on the presenter
The thing I don't get is why the showrunners went out of their way to show how Ted and Robin didn't work in season 9, even making that scene where she goes away to the sky and he lets her go, to then retrieve all that in the finale. It just doesn't make sense. If your idea was to make them end up together, don't show us that they don't work for a whole season. That's what really vexes me.
It wasn’t just season 9, they were incompatible since the beginning and erasing their characters traits to force this ending made it worse. Ted and Robin are a terrible couple and nobody wanted that. They should have changed the ending it still made no sense. Robin’s character was diminished to make Ted look good and it still made him look like a shitty person. The show runners didn’t think the ending through and then proceeded to make it the audience’s fault that their ending sucked. The ending sucked because they had zero idea of how to end a long standing series where the audience was far removed from the ending they wanted. They failed because they refused to change an ending that made no sense to who these characters are and where they were in their lives.
I bet that’s based on real life events from them LMAO cause why the hell did they fumble a show’s ending that bad
Ted learning to accept Robin for the person she is and stop forcing her to become the person he wanted her to be was major character growth. And the Finale completely destroyed that growth.
And spending damn near the whole show explaining how glad Ted is for all the bad in his life because it lead to him meeting the most amazing woman in his life and why he loves her so much.
I see it more as Ted sort of agreeing with you: he finally realized that all he was getting out of the relationship with Robin was watching her marry his best friend. He genuinely moved on. Six year after the death of his wife, he's still friends with Robin and wondering whether they can be something more. The Mother is a misdirection, what the show is really about is Ted examining the last time he had feelings for Robin and wondering whether there's any hope of a better outcome this time round.
And to some extent there is as the whole of the marriage arc that started back in season 7 features plenty of scenes where Robin tells/implies that she should be marrying Ted not Barney. Now, how reliable a narrator Ted is is debatable.
I think having the *male* lead of a romantic sitcom be the hopeless romantic who believes in love and "the one" above all else was a novel idea at the time, and a big hook for the show in the beginning. but, like a lot of things in this series, the longer it went on the less appealing it became. saying "i love you to robin" in episode one is interesting, subverts gender expectations etc etc, but the way he CONTINUES behaviour like that (alongside all the other creepy bullshit mentioned in this video) made him very quickly deeply unlikeable. when one of your other leads is a huge and unapologetic misogynist but HE'S the one with the wholesome character growth that everyone ends up loving the most, you've got a real problem with your Male Romantic Lead. basically i think the idea of a guy like ted in this sort of show in this era was great, but it was executed more and more poorly as the series went on. throw him in a 19th century gothic novel though and he'd be fantastic.
It's a perfect example of a show that was done dirty by being kept alive for too long. It kept doing numbers, so the network kept renewing it long after it had outgrown its premise. It would probably have been significantly improved if it had ended after four or five seasons.
@@BALTHAZAAR58 couldn't agree more. and it's a HUGE reason the finale is so awful - it's the plan from the beginning. i can imagine a world where after a couple of seasons ted and robin end up together, she is the mother that's the ending. but TOO MUCH character growth (and amount of times showing how they DONT work) had happened in 9 seasons for it to work anymore. absolutely no excuse for knowing it would be tedxrobin and still having barneyxrobin and then nuking it. insane choices.
a lot of other shows avoid this trap by becoming fully an ensemble with no main protagonist, but the title, the voice over/future ted narrative device made that impossible.
also side note cristin milioti is an angel and the only good thing about the final season. actually finding the perfect mother character and still ruining it my god.
Let's be real though, Ted totally sees himself as the main character in a 19th century Gothic novel😂
It probably was a novel idea at the time, but it became less original as the show went on. I am not sure how many of the women who were hopeless romantics had all of Ted's problems. How does Ted compare to the female hopeless romantics at the time of this show? I am not sure they had "Nice Guy" syndrome or main character syndrome or expected The One. It would have been funny of a female lead dumped a man on his birthday and went home wearing his spaghetti.😂
@@BALTHAZAAR58 Agreed, I alwyas say that no show should go over 5 seasons.
Let's be honest. We don't watch it for Ted. Everyone else carries the show
honestly if they had removed ted from the show, it would have been so much better.
Marshall needed those broad, Midwestern shoulders to carry the show
Yeah, it's kinda telling that Josh Radnor is the only one out of the main cast who didn't find some success elsewhere.
Ted was not a good person and a bland protagonist. Some argue Barney is worse as a person (which might be true), but he's definitely better as a character. He actually has a reason why he is the way he is, Ted just is the classic Nice Guy because that's who he is. Barney is also so over the top that everyone knows he's not to be taken seriously, while Ted gets portrayed as being reasonable. It also helps that Barney is charismatic and Ted is a wet blanket. Barney is a lovable rogue and the main instigator/catalyst of their adventures, Lily is the heart of the group and her character is the most expressive, Robin arguably has the best overall character arc as well as recurring joke with her teenage pop idol past, and Marshall is just a MVP all around. What does Ted contribute both to the group dynamic and as a character? Well, he's... present.
I mean, I liked Ted sometimes.
personally i love ted, he kind of reminds of myself in ways which is kind of scary sometimes especially because a lot of the stuff between him and robin remind me of stuff between me and one of my friends, even the part where she gets taken by one of my best friends😢
Maturity is realizing that Ted and Barney were equally toxic, just in very different ways.
The kids cheering Ted on to date Robin was less realistic has been anything that happened in Star Wars. It’s not wrong to date after your spouse passes away, when healing and appropriate time has passed. But the framing was atrocious. These young teenagers are like “Thank God our loving sweet mom died so dad can go fulfill his creepy obsession with aunt Robin!!”
Realistically, the boy would’ve called Ted an a$$hole, and the daughter would’ve started crying and then called him an a$$hole.
The kids are part Ted, yes. But they are part Tracy too, so they both are probably emotionally mature teenagers.
So realistically, they would both start crying(in disbelief over their father's predicament), then leave to take some time off to cool their heads before walking back into the room and calling out their dad on his creepy behaviour.
Happy ending.
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@@Barbinheimer-ke6fl the kids mentioned that they noticed attraction between Robin and Ted, within the 6 years of her visiting them, and how well they got along with aunt Robin. So realistically speaking, it was the right reaction after Ted finished the story. Also the kids always witnessed how Ted really loved their mother, all those years they were married. The gang or Ted, never mentioned to Tracy, that they(Robin and Ted) were in a relationship before, hence respecting her as Ted's wife. Tracy knew about Stella but not about Robin .
Ps. That's what I like of the show, different points of view, from the same situation. So far the best sitcom so far.
Barney and Robin’s relationship was just pure tragedy. They had the best chemistry, Barney supported her and even tossed his toxic habits aside and changed all for Robin. Ted tried to force her to conform for him and he never wanted to change for her. He made her get rid of her dogs since it was from her exes, but he couldn’t get rid of the things he kept from his exes. Hollywood habitually gets romance wrong by thinking guys like Ted are the “good guys”.
Plot with gave dogs it’s only becuase Josh had allergy for dogs
Plot with gave dogs was only because Josh have allergy for dogs
They say that Barney and Robin are toxic especially TR shippers and finale supporters but Ted and Robin are an absolute disaster of a relationship. They never understood each other, Ted put her on an imaginary pedestal nobody else could have her because he saw her first. They are an incompatible couple with zero chemistry or things in common. The people saying the ending made sense needs to be checked in the head for a concussion. Robin’s true love story was with Barney so them breaking up at all made no sense to their relationship. In fact nothing about the last two seasons made no sense to this relationship. They were put through hell before and after meeting, their lives in general were a mess it wasn’t them as a couple but their lives in general. Forcing the audience to like a couple (Ted/Robin) didn’t take from Barney and Robin true and genuine relationship. They deserved to be together without anymore issues in their lives. So the ending made no sense for them. Maybe for Ted regarding Tracy but NOT Barney and Robin. The divorce made no sense and at the characters backwards instead of forward. The ending is disrespectful to not only the characters but the actors and the audience.
The alternate ending makes way more sense and ends all the characters pretty well. Barney and robin, Ted and Tracy, and Marshall and lily boom
Did we forget how manipulative Robin was to Ted and Barney when they both got in healthy relationships? Especially to Barney when he was with Nora.
Ted is the Carry Bradshaw of HIMYM
Or the Ross.
Imagine a show where the friend group was Ted, Carrie, and Ross..
@@mundaneamazingCarrie would carry there.
@@mundaneamazing lol
@@mundaneamazing Sprinkle in some Rory Gilmore & it's my nightmare.
Please please. Make a video on Jake paralta and loveable hero trope.... Also make a video on Terry jeffords and healthy masculinity these characters really are great examples of male role model and they deserve place on this channel i request you to make a video on them✨✨✨
Yes I’d love this!!
Nine nine!
Captain Holt, a gay character who happens to be gay, not a stereotype where that's his only personality trait.
New litmus test for future partners: how do they feel about Ted Mosby?
I went on a date with someone who said HIMYM was one of her favorite shows. I had to hold back what an entitled ass Ted Mosby was. Should’ve taken that as a warning to run away.
Sounds like you are just like Ted.
@@Sayid-al-Furat I am nothing like Ted! I dont idealize relationships.
My sister tried to justify the ending while, I didn't even watch the whole show and still call it BS.
I liked the show. But I liked it for the other characters. Barbie and Robin should have stayed together man they showed better compatibility and growth together. But oh well.
In my early 20s, I used to be just like Ted. Thank God reality slapped me in the face (REALLY hard) and made me grow the hell up!
The one thing that I liked about the final season was how Future Ted wrapped up the stories of several recurring characters, not just the main group. A lot of long running shows seem to solely wrap up the main characters' arcs, while neglecting to mention the secondary characters. Young Sheldon did this, especially to Paige and Veronica.
The only difference between Ted and Barney is that Ted has an ego about how he is in relationships and Barney is honest about being a bad person who used women. However, Barney was actually capable of changing for the better.
Barney shouldn't have changed just to fit in a relationship with Robin, that was doomed from the beginning, since she was not a relationship person
He could have realised it was wrong to be that way after being hurt and try again, ever thought about that @@thiagosouzaprc
After all these years still hate the ending and what they did to character of Robin
Yes she really annyoed me in final. And she became worse in 7 season
The more I live, the less I respect the notion of "The One". Sure we've been lied to by movies and shows all our lives, but sooner or later we have to realize how life works
I disagree, not only do I believe in the one even more, I also believe that love can transcend life times.
I literally knew at least two people who swore by the way relationships were portrayed in this show.
The 1st one developed a skewed view of love which led them to constantly envy their friends who were in stable relationships. They would pine for being in a relationship, and would often focus on recreating the grand gestures displayed by Ted in the show. Every person they crushed on would eventually learn of their obsession of finding "the one" and would therefore avoid them. Last I heard of them, they‘re still single.
The 2nd one literally quoted a line from the show as a reason for them breaking up with a friend of mine. This person never wanted to work on the relationship and expected that my friend fulfill a certain "checklist" in their head of how their relationship should be. One of the silliest things they‘ve said according to my friend: "Well… you should like the same video games I do, like Mario Kart." This person went on saying that "the relationship should be effortless", yet maintaining in their head a near impossible checklist that, which they measured my friends‘ worth against.
You mean figuratively.
@@ms0824oh I wish! Unfortunately, these two I knew used HIMYM as their "love bible", letting the show quite *literally* dictate the way they approached romantic and interpersonal relationships, as they (without fail) quoted the characters especially Ted lots of times, while trying to mirror the story beats in their own lives.
@@markb1170 wow
I have an uncle like number 2. It never occurs to him other people have checklists too. He's very rules for thee, not for me and I think emotional maturity peaked at age 19.
I'd describe this more as a trial of Ted's character than as a genuine critique or analysis - it feels much more interested in making sure we dislike him than learn anything from him. The fact that the video doesn't even bring up the juxtaposition between Barney and Ted - one pursuing sex and the other pursuing romance - is pretty instructive here I'd say. It's a shame because the critique of expecting one's romantic life to unfold like a love story is itself more interesting, and something the show itself is already clearly interested in exploring by contrasting Ted's efforts to force relationships to work with the mother, who comes into his life completely by chance in the end and who, notably, he never has to "fight for" at all (even if the forced twist ending undermines this somewhat). But I'd say the video is afraid that working through those complexities would leave us with equally complex feelings about Ted, which it is not interested in having.
The reason Ted comes off as so awful to viewers is because most of his bad traits are completely by accident on the writers part
Huh. Can you elaborate
His bad traits are not an accident. None of their bad traits are. The group is objectively messed up, except for Marshall and even then, meh. Ted is meant to be awful. That is the point. He had serious emotional problems during that part of his life. I didn't mind, Ted seemed fine. Not my favorite character, but y'all are acting like he was the Devil.
@@Sayid-al-FuratHe’s not the devil, he’s just a bad main character
@@Sayid-al-Furatexactly, like I keep telling people there is nothing wrong with wanting to find true love.
@jake8269 He was very whiny, annoying and entitled. Even by the end of the show it still felt like he hasn’t quite grown out of that, he just buried those traits deep down a bit more. The other characters are pretty bad as far as their actions go yes, but at least they’re more fun to watch because they have more charisma to them, like Barney. The supporting characters are what helped elevate the show more.
'How I Met Your Mother' is the internal monologue of Ross from 'Friends'. They are the same, because they cannot see anyone else how they understand themselves, but only in relation to him. Such a person doesn't understand the sweet pain of sacrificing your own wants and wishes for the happiness of others - the ones you care for and want them to care for you - and how acquiescing to become 'the secondary character' instedad of a protagonist of their lives, you are giving them the most profund gift of true, selfless love.
yeah but at least ted's friends don't pretend to fall asleep when he talks about architecture. ross is a mess of a man but can he not love dinosaurs
HIMYM is an imitation of Friends; wasn't surprised that Ted ended up with Robin aka Rachel; she at least had a chance to have a career and didn't end up up with Ted's child. Robin deserved so much better, like Penny in Big Bang Theory. Leonard's is nice but Penny should have ended up with someone better, same with Amy Bernadette and Raj.
So, on one level, I agree with you that Ted and Ross have a TON of similarities.. that said, what people don’t understand about season 9 is that it is in fact the climax of the story (Ted’s story) because Ted DOES put his selfish desires aside and become the side character for Barney and Robin’s wedding. He actually in this case finally does see other people’s point of view and even though it’s hard for him allows himself to become the secondary character in their story.
Ok so while I hate the way himym ended, I mostly hate it because they failed to show us the development. The reason he tells the story with the shadow of robin so strong is because he at the moment of telling the story is in love again with robin. That’s why he is an unreliable narrator. If we heard the story while his wife was still alive it would have been a very different story I think. The shoemakers failed to show that nuance and so ted became an even bigger dick with how the story ended
The sad thing is Ted was hurt by someone with main character syndrome. Tony, the guy who stole his fiancée and wrote a movie about it. But like with every other potential learning opportunity Ted learned nothing.
And the funny thing about the Stella situation is that 100% would have ended in divorce in a few months. Because like everyone was saying they where moving way to fast and neither of them where ready for that after such a short time of dating.
Criticizing Ted Mosby for having all these flaws is like dissing The Boys because Billy Butcher wants to desperately murder Homelander above anything else, jeapordizing the well-being of his "friends". THE FLAWS ARE THE REASON WHY THE CHARACTER IS SO INTERESTING.
Yes but the issue is the show doesn't see the flaws and the show acts like he's a great guy. If in the end of the show ted learned that he was stupid earlier ro something then it would be fine.
@@niharika3280This isn’t true. At least not completely. Ted literally narrates that it’s about who he had to become in order to meet his mother and that he’s not sure that even he would like the person he was back then, Which viewed in that lense makes the story very interesting and it’s a great lesson. Everything was about learning something and changing slowly to be able to meet the mother. And I also don’t dislike Ted and Robin’s relationship in season 2. The fact is that Robin is a broken person and her obsession with her career is a coping mechanism rather than something to aspire as a woman. The writers intended it to be that way from the beginning if you pay attention tying it to her issues with her father. Her relationship with ted was about her learning to let someone in that did deeply care about her. Her saying: “if I was gonna have someone’s babies, I’d have your babies” was very compelling to me, because it meant that she lived and trusted Ted enough that she was beginning to change. I think barney and robin fit together yes and had better chemistry, but they’re two broken people who together wouldn’t fix each other which is why the first time they were together they exacerbated their flaws in each other. I know barney changed a bit for robin, but it’s still very much a relationship where they support each others bad qualities like their vindictive nature. This is not reality. This is fairytale land. And at the end of it they were still broken. I think that part was very realistic even though I think the ending was subpar and ted and tracy should’ve stayed together.
It annoyed me that Ted basically wanted his soulmate to be a clone of him. Like yeah I love that my husband likes Dumb and Dumber since I do, but we also grew together and ye got me into Lord of the Rings, for instance! But Ted isn’t as annoying as Lily.
I have never dated someone that likes Dumb and Dumber and LOTR. I'm looking for that though.
I've always felt like Lily was the worst character on the show (if you don't count Barney, who was basically an absurd level of shitty for laughs,) but we'll see if the Take ever makes a video about her. Throughout the course of the show she....
-Breaks up with Marshall to pursue her dream of being a professional painter.
-Leaves Ted stranded on the side of the road (happens twice.)
-Sabotages any relationship Ted has with a girl she doesn't like.
-Almost gets Ted fired by messing with his dick boss.
-Hides her credit card debt from Marshall, and tries to push him into a job he'll hate for the money. (Also then gives Marshall shit at one point for selling out.)
-Cancels Christmas because she overheard an old voicemail where Ted called her a bitch for dumping Marshall, and abandoning them both to pursue her dream. (The Take video shows a clip of Ted saying he won't apologize to make him look bad. He was refusing to apologize for trying to help his friend move on after having his heart broken.)
-Claims that Marshall is being selfish for accepting the judgeship, claiming that they had competing dream jobs on the line. When in reality, being an art consultant was never her dream job; it was being a painter. Being a judge was actually in line with Marshall's dream, which was protecting the environment. Also, Lily's gig in Italy was for a year, the judgeship was a lifetime appointment.
-Trying to Manipulate Ted to win her side of the Ted/Robin bet with Marshall (Marshall also guilty of this.)
-Overall giving terrible advice and being a hypocrite at times, but the show always portrayed her as the wise one in the group for some reason.
This list is not exhaustive.....
@@rizerek I love this show and I cannot disagree with you.
Rewatching this show, it's hard to like any of the main characters, except for possibly Marshall. But even then, he's really codependent with Lily, and even gives up his long term dream for her and their growing family.
I feel like once the show ran for too long and character arcs wrapped up, the jogging in place regressed a bunch of characters. I remember feeling it when Marshall and Lily were in the suburbs.
There are no good realtionships on HIMYM.
Barney is a manipulative sex hound.
Robin is emotionally unstable due to her issues with her father.
Marshall and Lily are a co-dependant nightmare.
Ted's worst crime is that he idealizes love to the point of perfectionism. He can never truly be happy because nothing can live up to the idealized fantasy in his head. Even Tracy doesn't work out the way he wanted so he eventually just circles back around to Robin.
Because the writers wanted a funny cast but also wanted to actually give them happy life's and relationships. The cast is fucked and so, their relationships are all terrible.
I’ve been rewatching the show lately and man my distaste of Ted has just grown and grown. His whole view on love, life, treating people and most importantly Robin was 100% wrong.
And seeing him just go on and on and on and ON about Robin who never shared his views or wants on life while at the same screwing over so many other women by his narrow views is just INSANELY frustrating. You would think that the arc of Ted would be to FINALLY let go of Robin and this maddening and stalkerish obsession he has with her but nope. We have Ted admit to his kids he was emotionally cheating on their mother for years with Robin, and then the writers use Tracy as a surrogate for the kids he wanted before they get them back together even though it makes NO SENSE.
Ted is one of those characters that make you insanely frustrated because of their destructive and never ending stupidity.
I feel the same way about Lily.
Maybe if the studio didn't try milking the show for 6 extra seasons beyond its expiration, we could have gotten characters that developed and weren't forced into becoming psychos.
Your analysis videos are always so good.
Could we please take a sek and remember how he made Robin give up her dogs... because they reminded him of her exes... ? 😅 I mean...
Is this channel intentionally changing it's narrative style? I don't normally feel real hatred for a fictional character on this channel but that tone slipped from professional to bitchy a few times there.
Thank you.The video seems to be narrated by a woman who really hates men
For real I found that it changed as well even with the narration switch with the friends show.
how I met your mother taught me if I like a girl and she doesn't feel the same way, I should never move on or get over her. I should wait because she'll just change her mind, she clearly does like me I just need to wait for her to realise it.
So I'm sure you're being facetious, but I will say, the reason why the "it was Robin all along" ending is bad is because it happens a few minutes in TV time from us seeing that Ted did truly move on from Robin. But for the characters was years later. That the idea of wanting reconnect with Robin built well after he had lost his wife and mourned that loss. If there had been one more season (not saying there should have been) that basically told the story that we see in the finale of the characters moving on after the wedding, I don't think that ending would have been as jarring.
I can sit through a playlist of the Take's HIMYM videos over and over. I watched this show as it was airing as a kid and was SO invested. I especially loved Robin, I got really attached to her. The ending left me furious; it made NO sense. I didn't need a happily ever after, but how they tried to end things was genuinely bad writing. Videos like this are still so cathartic for my lack of closure, thank you.
I feel like when they were developing the show, they came up with Ted Mosby as "Lloyd Dobler with the boombox, but that's his entire character....and the girl is arbitrary"
Ted is pretty bad, but Lilly is the most morally abhorrent friend on the show, she is really awful to all of them and very selfish.
The way she played god with their relationships
@@unicornsprinkles8964 am hoping am on the same page but I agree Marshall and Lily act so in your face to the other characters because they are the only hally couple of the group.
Man, Lily was an actual sociopath.
Lily treated her supposed love of the life so poorly ... When she broke up because she was going to another city . How hard was it , not breaking up ?? They could've talked less , sure , but breaking up and then crawling back ?? Ugh . If her career took a flight , she would've never wanted to get back with Marshall.
@@Some_guy_passing_by What? Watch that scene again. It was Marshall who gave her a ultimatum. Being an artist was always her dream, but she gave up and support Marshall's dream of being a lawyer for years. When she gets this opportunity all she asks is to postpone the wedding for a few months, just to enjoy this experience. But Marshall refuses, he was the one to give the ultimatum. Lily never wanted to break up with him
Ted season 1 was especially unwatchable the first season. You can tell they could tell, and toned down his desperate, ego-maniac mindset. Not that it went away, but really toned down.
Also Robin’s story is a cautionary tale, which I don’t mind and is very realistic to any person who wants to focus on their goals. Her being alone with 5 dogs again was a great ending for her character, it’s just the ending back up with Ted and Barney going back to being horrible to women and having a daughter is what ruined the cautionary of it.
I agree with everything except that Ted thinks everything revolves around him. There are some times when he understands that the woman he loves is in a true romantic relationship with someone else and he accepts it (Stella and Maggie).
I still think about the theory that what we see is how Ted saw it and literally what we see in the characters is not how they acted, but that's how he described them
Since the conceit is Ted is telling a story to his kids, this is pretty much exactly what it is.
Ted did not deserve The Mother, Tracy.
He got to have one night stands for years, a three-way, multiple serious girlfriends (two of which he proposed to,) while Tracy had a grand total of two serious relationships in her entire adult life (one of which DIED!) Ted's "number" throughout the show was about 30! And he even shamed Robin for whatever her number was as if 30 is some super low number.
Tracy deserved someone like Marshall. Ted was Barney Junior.
Ted isn’t supposed to be a hero or a role model, he’s supposed to be a clown. Why do we have to categorize everything told from a male POV as toxic even when it really isnt?
Said a different way, yeah Ted is immature…. That’s kind of the point.. the show isnt called “How Meeting Your Mother Was A Catalyst for Me to Grow Up Into A More Mature Partner For Her”, it’s called How I Met Your Mother.
I notice a lot in the criticism of young male characters from women that there is this idea that men are supposed to be mature finished products and not also people who get to grow up along their journey just like women do. People who don’t get the last season and the finale often criticize it by saying that the last season focused on Barney and Robin and the show finished in a knee jerk sort of way, but what they are missing is that 1) this is still Ted’s story and 2) season 9 is the climax of Ted’s story and growth because he finally sees other people’s POV, loves both Robin and Barney unselfishly and decides to be a secondary character in their story in stead of continuing to have the main character syndrome that makes him the clown-main character for this whole comedy show. It is this getting over that trait that actually does make him ready for his experience with Tracy.
Well said
You guys cover HIMYM, SATC, and Gilmore Girls a lot. Can you talk about Desperate Housewives? There's so much to talk about...
Has anyone ever counted the amount of times a female-character has made a guy quit his career or persuing his passions to be with her cause I dunno if there's even nearly as many as women doing the same thing when men expect a woman to prioritize a not-so-perfect-or-even-nice guy over whatever other meaningful things they have or can have in their lives. No one's perfect and sometimes the only thing convincing someone in this society to compromise one's entire life for just one person they've barely known for a full year is FOMO. Ted is one of those heavily red-flagged men people should far stay away from unless hopefully he eventually learned his lesson when he got older.
I don't have a count. but that is the ending to "what woman want" starring Mel Gibson of all people. He gives up his career to go be in a relationship with Meryl Streep. It's just as dumb when the guy does it..
@@xiaogao5159 To be fair he was stealing her ideas and sabotaging her.
Also watch any Hallmark or Lifetime Christmas movie.
@@JARD7318 For sure. But to quote Eric Cartman. There was no way he could get caught. he was literally reading her mind. and anybody she told Mel Gibson is reading my mind and stealing my ideas. would think she was a nutjob. Heck if Mel Gibson told somebody that he could read minds and since he lost the ability at that point they would just pat him on the shoulder and think he's been working too hard. so it was basically quitting his job. and a fair bit of self destruction. It should also be pointed out that if he hadn't stolen her ideas he would have been fired anyway. that's the context he was the marketing executive and there was only room for one. Meril Streep was brought in because they were looking to replace him. If there was room for 2 of them then Streep shouldn't have lost her job. She was a junior at the company it was okay for Gibson to outshine her for a bit when she starts. Or at least that should be the case. There are few morals to be found in a corporate workplace. that's kinda just accepted by society. He is told to exploit his ability by his psychologist of all people. so he does. It's also interesting because he was a beloved actor at the time and now is not seen that way. so we see his actions as much creepier now. To bring it back to the OPs comment; if Mel Gibson got mind reading powers and chose NOT to use them on Meril Streep to steal her ideas and lost his job because of it. would anybody find that romantic? or would they just think that was dumb? Is it romantic either way? what if it was some younger more hot actor?
Ted was really out in NYC wildin’
This video could easily be 9 seasons long.
The narrator's ire for Ted is obvious
Somewhere here on TH-cam is the alternative ending still available, where Barney and Robin stay together. I always combine the show‘s final season with this one unofficial episode. Makes so much more sense
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Guys, the writers wrote the end of the story 10 years before the show ended, they had to make them end up together
You made us snap back to reality with this characterisation of the main character
Couldn't agree more to every single thing said in this video! The worst prblm of this show is that the writer agreed with Ted'd whole character (as described in this video)
And bcoz of that, the writer ruined teh story of three characters (Robin, Barney and Tracy) completely, just so Ted can "win".
Robin was always clear and vocal about the relationship she wanted, yet Ted constantly kept forcing his idea of "the one" on her. For once I liked that finally Robin and Ted are not together, and then the writer made Robin regret the decision of marrying Barney, she wanted to run away with Ted, and then if that wasn't enough, got divorced after all that nonsense build up.
They made it look like it was her fault that she drifted apart from the group. They made her REGRET not choosing Ted. (congrats Ted you win)
They ruined the entire character development of Barney and pushed him back into his initial character just so Ted can get Robin again.
And the worst of all, they simply eliminated Tracy (the one after which the show is named, in a sitcom) just so Ted could get Robin, and he could win.
I think that at heart that your looking too deep into this. Teds not the almighty terrible man hes flawed and thats what makes a sitcom. The characters FLAWS. Every sitcom has characters who are terribly flawed but yet we still watch them because they're flaws make them interesting.
Also i disagree with a few of the points you made: that ted thinks the world revolves around him, he most definitely doesnt with Stella and that girl next door in The Window episode. That he never grows, he does grow in fact he grows to the point where he realises that he cant be in new york cause its not fair to Barney or Robin until he met Tracy which allowed him to let go of Robin until she died. And that he thinks everyone else's shortcomings are permanent failings at life like him overcoming Stella's betrayal, overcoming the fact that Lily betrayed his best friend and him, and that Barney was a permanently bad person
Within the narrative of the show, i really wonder if Unreliable Narrator Ted was intentionally adding/embellishing details to scapegoat and vilify Barney in order to feel better about himself and the fact that Barney had real chemistry and compatibility with Robin.
Didn't get past the first episode of HIMYM this is probably one of the reasons why...
That’s very harsh. The whole point of the show is him showing that he was immature and it was good that he didn’t meet Tracy before it all. And when Stella dumps him he does learn that they weren’t meant to be. Yes, his not taking no for an answer is problematic. But truly, there’s a massive caveat to everything else: he keeps saying that he was wrong and immature.
And to be fair, wanting what you can’t have is absolutely relatable.
People just enjoy destroying Ted. This show is about growing up, dating and making mistakes and how you sometimes mistreat women.
Suits is about winning a case every episode. Friends is about their friendships and how they spend time together and sometimes have problems.
But when How I Met Your Mother sticks to the subject matter which is love . Somehow Ted the protagonist is a psychopath😂😂😂😂. It should have been How I Got My Job. Maybe people will back off
@@azikiwesnay7718 It just kills me that the series made it painfully clear that these people were flawed. And it feels like this is not allowed anymore. I get that we should try to model good behaviour but what about the truth? And the truth is we’re all struggling to fight knee jerk reactions and our worst instincts. They call each other out on their bad behaviour which is more than most people would dare to do IRL.
@@miliesomethingdo4379 on the contrary look at how people praise Barney and Marshall. Barney is nothing but flaws and Marshall I believe suffered from a few addictions I think smoking and drinking were the addictions and people talk about them as if they are the epitome of what a good person should represent.
I love love love Ted because he wants to grow up and he is growing up. The lessons he has taught me are golden nuggets of wisdom and I was rooting for him to find the love he deserves (Tracy not Robin)
Society doesn't want people to grow up. I've noticed people who working themselves are heavily scrutinized even in the real world.
@@azikiwesnay7718 I guess Ted and Lily are in the same box. People can’t simply pathologize their behaviour so they hate on them… I don’t know…
I hate that everyone piles on HIMYM and lionizes Friends. I don’t know why everyone focuses on that final scene when it’s a freaking miracle that Tracy wasn’t a complete letdown after the build up she had.
And calling him a terrible friend its just pushing things too much, he was a great friend for fun times but also for thought moments. This is very harsh.
For me the point of no return on Ted was when he was running all over hell’s half-acre to get the necklace for Robin and Jeannette was the one who called out his toxic obsession which then prompted Ted’s impassioned response about ‘love’ … if someone as unhinged as Jeannette could see how problematic his behaviour was that should have been a major red flag alone for Ted
Ted Mosby was a lot like Tom Hansen from 500 Days of Summer. Tom was also an unreliable narrator with a bad case of Main Character Syndrome. Tom was also wrong about romance completely and wanted a woman to be "The One." We only see from Tom's point of view and we see how he ignores Summer.
So this is one of my favorite shows, and the more I think about it due to videos like this, the more I am confused.
Unpopular opinion:
He ist human and pretty realistic.
Everyone i know has been sslf absorbed and reckless at times. Everyone has been lost and thought they were a hero, when sometimes, they were a villain in someone elses story.
That does not make him a bad person. It just makes him human.
I love this show. I don't know why, but I do. And it's SO NICE to see a video that says everything I've been saying in my head about Ted since day one! Ted is almost a worse person than Barney.
Id love to see you guys cover some of the Scrubs characters. I feel like they would be interesting charcter studies and although I love the show, JD is quite similar to Ted 😂
So I think one of the things the show unfortunately rushed through and undermined with final few episodes and the finale (not the VERY end with Robin, but the "finally meeting the mother" part) was supposed to be. What we were supposed to see was that Ted finally did learn some of the lessons he refused to learn. He didn't lovebomb the mother, he was much more respectful of her and her feelings than he was of the previous women, he let go of having to have everything be perfect. While I think that we do see an initial "spark" between Ted and Tracy there's definitely the idea that they grew a relationship and that it wasn't all in from the very beginning. He didn't have a grand wedding, they got married years later after having kids in a small ceremony on a weekday. He loved her back unconditionally. Like I said they didn't do a good job of showing that growth but I think this video ignores that they tried to show that.
Surprised the video was as short as it was
Let's be real. If people were perfect, there would be no stories or really anything for entertainment at all.
Rewatching HIMYM shows how toxic Ted is.
I’m rewatching it right now and I want to throw him out the window with how toxically obsessed with Robin. It’s exhausting to just have him force her into liking him despite her being clear she doesn’t share his views on life or family.
He wanted true love, he's not bad for wanting that. He just wants to skip to the end of the story and be happy, it's hard to have to constantly be forced to watch your college roomate be happy with the women he met freshman year.
Himym is the equivalent of friends for another generation: it’s iconic. I’m 22, I am way more attached to himym than friends BUT I never get that nostalgia that drives me to have a rewatch (I have a couple of times, but I have watched my favourite shows over and over like 5/6 times), the characters I’m attached to the most are robin and Barney, I never liked Ted that much anyway. Just like friends, it aged very badly and oddly enough the character that is the most problematic is not who’d you expect (Barney) but rather the nice guy
This whole video is a hateful view of the story that leaves a lot of plots where Teds actually grows up recognizing his mistakes. Feels like a projection full of resentment to a fiction character that represents many things but that creates a narrative of only you see the bad… it’s not a coherent view of the character of the show
This video takes for granted all the small and big things Ted did for all his friends. I'm not a Ted fan, but even I could see this is incredibly biased. Even the clips you show of Ted being "bad" are out of context.
i probably watched it around 2018 and started to like it. It was running for a long time I guess. So I happened to notice the name before. I started to know all the characters and started liking them kinda I mean whatever friend adventures they had. I was surprised to figure out that the show is named" How I Met Your Mother "while the mother character was barely present. The idea was nice telling your kids about earlier days but would have been nice if we could know more about Tracy, " the mother". I wish Tracy was introduced before and she was the one for Ted only. It would have been nice to see Ted still loving her after her passing . I was young when I watched it and on some days it felt like Ted and Barney were doing the same thing in different ways. I was like why is Barney a womanizer but I am also seeing Ted with multiple women. It felt like both of them dated or slept with the whole New York. I didn't know how sitcoms work then that was my take on it. I really liked Robin with Barney . I was really happy when they got married. I could see the chemistry between them. I also could see the chemistry between Ted and Tracy. So, the ending made me sad. But I can't actually hate wholly Ted because it was also the writer's fault.
Most of his the worst behaviors were for the plot of sitcom, he made his mistakes and grew from this xd
Guys, even if you’re making a good point, it’s no fun as a viewer to have to listen you speak in an overly judgmental tone in order to hear that point
I do agree with the take but the comment section seem to forget two things: 1- it's fiction and 2- its writters were thinking as what actual humans do... and humans suck, we make mistakes, we are selfish, we think we are good and the center of the universe, we make poor decisions and lie to excuse our behaviors. We can analize and a analize fictional characters but do we want to watch relatable full of flaw shows or a fairy tale where unicorns poop rainbows.
i just realised how similar ted and charlotte from SAC are and both exactly got what they wanted just that one of them grew up and learned from their mistakes and the other didn’t
Now my evil list just moved from Lily at number 1 to Ted is the ultimate villain... OMG, after its ending 3-5 years ago we 're still getting new content. I don't even know is HIMYM was a bad series anymore
he radiates "spoiled only child" energy (everything is always about him) so much, that the fact he has a sister seems like a mistake of the writers
They wrote the ending ahead of time, so why would it be so hard to have Ted change to be a better partner for Robin? Would that really have been so hard to write?
Him wanting robin to get rid of her dogs wasnt all of his fault.
.to side with him
.robin ask him to get rid of his things so its fair that she need to return the favor and do the same.
. I would too hallucinate some hot exes my gf date in the face of her things.
. Plus robin did start this stint
That being said
. Asking robin to get rid of her dogs is like asking her to get rid of her son that she had with her exes which is downright ridiculous
3:20 The very definition of a narcissistic individual
I just started rewatching the show this afternoon to procrastinate but now the reality check of this video is too harsh and I don’t think I can stand it now. Time to try something else, fresh prince perhaps?
I'm not sure if it's just me or if this is just a repackaged video of the previous HIMYM Ted episode. I literally learned nothing new here 🤔
😂 Love this channel, but I’m thinking the same thing.
This video is clearly recycled from similar videos.
If they'd ended the show differently, it could've shown him learning a lesson. Yet they went the deranged avenue leaving him exactly the same schmuck he started out as
So glad people are criticise Ted now, I remember when tge show came out he was always described as just a romantic. By the end of the show I hated him, Marshall on the other hand ❤❤❤
Hearing this video, How I met your mother is basically YOU, with the audience being gaslighted into thinking they are watching romantic comedy while it is a drama/thriller/horror. If the lighting/color scheme was a little different the feeling nobody would be fooled this is a romantic comedy.
I despise this show for ruining itself. I was always 100% aware of Ted's toxic, unhealthy traits, and that he was not the down trodden, down on his luck, good guy the show wanted the audience to see him as mostly because Ted is based on the creator's own life and no one ever sees them as the bad guy in their own life story but this show still had the potential to be excellent if it had stuck to its guns because it was in Barney (and his relationship with Robin) that you saw actual character growth, a man bettering himself for the woman he loves, and two people accepting each other as is and made the show worth watching for 9 seasons only for it to turn out like a long con.
Run on sentence. -2 marks :)
As much as I had fun watching HIMYM back in HS for what it was, a funny sitcom, I really regret that later I showed this show to a very susceptible friend who ended up becoming a mega fan. He already had some... Issues, with his perception of what are relationships, but after watching and obsessing over the show, and trying to relate EVERYTHING to it and use it to justify his nonsense, he became really insufferable most of the time, not only as a friend, but also with all of his partners that I've met, and in the end is what made me put some very wide distance between us
The following examples are things he already had before, but after watching the series, he felt like he had the perfect justification while trying to act as either Ted or Barney, depending on what was convenient at the time
He started to try to justify some pretty toxic behaviors in our friendship with "the bro code"
Over-idealizes every woman who is nice to him, or finds attractive to the point a single name could mean 3 different people at one time and he would have to put a number besides their name so that it would be less confusing, and when eventually because of that he became a cheater and womanizer, trying to justify all his behaviors with the idea of him "trying to find the one"
Tried to present himself as a relationships expert because he has watched the series more than it's humanly healthy and considering he never has had a healthy relationship it sounds so hypocritical and annoying
Would not shut up about how me and my girlfriend are Marshall and Lily all the time, because he idealized our relationship and wanted something like it, not to mention before he used to call both my gf and my ex my "Tracy and Robin" which... No, just no
Ad he really started to show up proudly more and more insecurities as "good guy green flags" to prove he is "worthy to women"
He ruined this show for me, I was able to separate reality from fiction, and laugh about people worse adjusted than me in ridiculous situations, laugh about NPH deliveries, laugh about all the cameos, watch actors like Coby Smoulders and Cristin Milioti at the start of their careers being funny, but he took it so seriously that it's just hell watching a single episode without remembering him trying his best to force himself into the alternate reality of the show
Damn, that guy is out there somewhere, probably sucked into an alpha or sigma male rabbit hole and super into fitness now. 💀
@@stephanieok5365 funny enough... Not quite, he is too deep in his HIMYM delusion
He's had moments of using fitness, or extreme formality as "personality" traits (or should I say, "Barney style plays"), but only momentarily when he's trying to impress a woman, but he always snaps back, he has a moderately successful career in the cooking scene of my city because he's a pretty good chef, but he's held back because of his immaturity, mostly he's the same dude I met in HS, just, like I said, trapped in a sitcom delusion
@@alejandroreyes8878 all that life experience and no emotional development is peak Ted. 🤔
I hope the food scene keeps him too busy for TH-cam algorithms. I get that stuff pushed to me from my weightlifting hobby and it's so brutal I'm sure it'd make the existing problems much worse. 💀
I have always been convinced that Ted is the most unreliable narrator and is highly embellishing most of what he is telling in the story and that he is projecting most of his character flaws onto Barney as a way to make himself look good. Like Robin is a smart woman right. She is clever and witty and sharp. Do you really think someone like her would get with someone as disgustingly misogynistic and gross and often times racist as Barney? They were well suited because they were compatible and that tells me that he was actually not as gross as he is made out to be. Maybe a little cocky but is really just charming and charismatic and comfortable in his sense of self unlike Ted. Ted was basically jealous of how cool and popular and suave Barney was and how he was a better match for Robin so in his story he basically does some character assassination and makes Barney out to be awful when really it's him. Ted wanted a way to justify getting with Robin in the end so he makes Barney out to be just the worst kind of guy when the likely truth is the Barney is quite good. I have often wondered how different the story would have been if we had seen it through the eyes of Robin or Barney or just anyone else cus I feel like the truth about Ted would be exposed.
This anti-Ted stuff is pretty cringe.
Look, this is a sitcom. There is a level of absurdity present in this show and many others like it.
When you look at it through the lense of morality of everyday people, then all of the main characters are horrible people. The only one whos semi-decent is Marshall.
So, its really not that deep. You cant take the entire thing that seriously.
Christ.
I can sympathise with Ted for not wanting to give a toast at his mother’s wedding 💒 Feeling like you haven’t met enough milestones as a man is tough to deal with. What Ted’s mother sees as a gesture of support, may feel like a humiliation to Ted 😢
The one time I felt like Ted was actually in the right was when his fiance left him at the altar and then they messed it up what's the baggage episode at the very end
The most jerkass moment of Ted, in my view, is when he refused to reconsider his decision over the Arcadian demolition issue after learning Barney is going to lose job because of him.
Like, seriously, your friend vouched for you to get your dream job, now you learn that your choice will cost both your job and even his, and this, this doesn't bother you at all? This doesn't even change your mind a little bit? What a giant douchebag.
His words after Robin asked to think about it are, "There's nothing to think about. Zoey is the only thing that matters to me right now."
Yep, even after what Barney has done for him on this particular issue, the girl is still the only thing matters.
Eventually Ted did change side, but we all know it's never about his friend. It's because he realized having no future with the girl.
If I were Barney and learnt about Ted's response, the question of whether I matter to him is going to haunt me for life.
Also, Marshall is acting terribly on this issue too.
I get that he got screwed by his boss after resignation and really needed a job. Speaking of needing a job, remember when Marshall was desperate, DESPERATE for one and who helped him? This kind of favor is usually something that one is gonna remember for a long time. But he seems to forget it and ignore that taking Zoey's side is going against Barney.
I mean he’s a pretty awful person. All the characters are deeply flawed people (but so are we all in real life, these are just exaggerated versions) but at the end of the day, that’s why it’s funny and this is what matters in a comedy, not any deeper meaning or moral education….
Never forget Robin's dogs
Seems the main issue is the Self Serving Bias
I think that Theodore Evelyn Mosby is judged way too harshly. I think that what everyone sees as Ted being horrible in his stories is not who he is at all. I don't think the man himself got his own point until towards the end of the show. I think what he and the title says is how he met his kid's mother is not the story being told. According to the kids it's not about their mom it's about their Aunt Robin and Ted asking if it's ok to move on. Which is technically correct but it's also a cautionary tale of how not to be while trying to grow and change for the better. Every story highlights what he did wrong and what he learned from said wrong behavior. The Ted we see in the flash backs isn't who Ted is at all but who he used to be. This is a man who's learned his lesson and is passing on his knowledge. The biggest lesson he learned is appreciation for those around him, those who stood by him even when they knew he was 1000% wrong. It taught him humility and responsibility. Think about it, he went through all the nonsense and craziness to find the one only to lose her maybe 10 yrs into their relationship and having only been married for 5 of them. That making his final lesson you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Y'all should talk about the upgraded Disney prince writing
Ross and Ted would be good friends
Barney breaking up with Quinn made no sense.
I can never bring myself to rewatch himym. I binged it a few years ago bc everyone was going on and on and on about how bad the ending is. I watched the show just so i possibly defend it or understand it but no. I had to take gaps on the binge bc i fr hated watching Ted decide how love works.
I don't think somebody as good looking as Robin spent 6 years miserable and alone. It is just that she never talked about her PRIVATE life with Ted or the kids. Or at least I believed that is what happened from 2024 to 2030.
Which one is the worse? Ross or Ted. The right answer is BOTH.