Defending the Divine Council - Mysteries Revealed
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- Who Is the Divine Council?
Why haven't most modern western pastors heard of this?
Is it Biblical?
Doesn't Jesus quote Psalm 82 and refer to Humans not the Divine Council?
All of these questions and more are answered in this eye opening defense of "The Divine Council Worldview" that I first discover from Dr Mike Heiser @DRMSH and Tim Mackie of the @bibleproject .
This channel is designed to help bring scholarly content out into the church. The supernatural has been whitewashed from most churches.. NOT ALL.. but most.
This channel is also designed to help fix this error.
It is my prayer that this video helps give those interested a better defense of the Divine Council and it's theme throughout scripture
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This makes perfect sense to me.
Thank you Dr Heiser.
May you RIP sir.
~1969 when I was 12 years old, I dreamt that I appeared before a divine counsel, whom I had never heard of or even imagined before that time. They spoke to me and delivered a verdict. When I woke up, I wrote down what they said on one full page of blue-lined school paper. I remember showing it to my mother, then to my cousin and best friend, Diane. We two went around showing it to a few random adults before the paper disappeared. They would read it quietly, look up at me somberly and ask, "Did you write this?" To which I would affirm, Yes, that it came to me in a dream. No questions or discussion followed. Maybe I was hoping that someone would give me some insight into it dream or the writing. I have no idea what happened to the paper and no recollection of what was written on that paper although I have asked the Holy Spirit about it once or twice. I know that the Holy Spirit leads and guides us into all truth and draws all things to our remembrance so someday I will remember. I will know even as I am known and I will understand even as I am understood.
Brother, we have access that's access to the Divine council but rather more appropriate. No man counsels the lord but we use the prophets. These are all the prophets... By the scriptures of the prophets this is how we have access as the word says the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophet so we speak the counsel of God as we get to know the scriptures. Hope this helps
@@Louis-ws7uz You say no man counsels the LORD, yet Abraham plead and even negotiated for lost souls in Sodom and Gommorah. Moses plead for the Israelites when God threatened to destroy them in the wilderness.
Understand that I was 12 years old and knew nothing of the Bible. That is no longer the case. More than 50 years have passed since that time and I have read through the entire Bible many times. Understand that this was a DREAM. Understand that the elders or divine counselors in my dream were NOT mortal men. Then tell me please, who are the elders who sit on the on the 24 thrones in Revelation 4? Are they mortal men? We are not told their identity but most likely they are Apostles and Prophets. Like the mighty eternal angels, they fall down and worship God Almighty but they have another role. 1 Corinthians 6:3 says; "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?" and 2 Timothy 2:12 says, "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us." In Psalm 1 we learn that we must seek godly counsel to find life. Perhaps sometimes, godly counsel is sent to us, even in dreams and visions
Are you going to. Wave in , morning. If you do call me at 11:00 if check comes I'll walk to wave
You had a dream of having a dream, in your dream
1 Cor 13:11
I was excited learning about the divine counsel & Psalm 82, from Dr. Heiser. Thank you so much for continuing to explain to the followers of our Lord Jesus Christ, his supernatural biblical world view! 📖✝️💖🙏🏻🙌🏻
Me too 💯🔔✅❤️
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen!! I discovered Heiser a little over a year ago and can’t get enough of this topic……..and Mackie is excellent also. Thank you for this and may the Lord continue to bless you as you share his truth 🙏
Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate your comment and your encouragement. Blessings to you!
Thank you so much for spreading this message. Learning scriptures through the minds and experiences of the ancient inspired writers, is now possible. We have access to the works of really insightful responsible teachers. God is so much more alive as I read and learn.
I thoroughly appreciate this video. For my growth and study you have 2 men I respect and ponder their insights. I was so sorry at Dr Mike Heiser's passing but so grateful that, just as it is with many other great teachers, we still have their insight available to us. Much thanks
You are welcome 🤜🏻🔔🤛🏻
Lazarus is asleep, Mike is asleep, it's us feeling sorry for ourselves...BUT REMEMBER. ALL THESE VIDEOS HE LEFT US. HIS WORD IS ALIVE.
God wants us to be like Him now
My mine has been blown away.thank you for teaching us this .I broke out my BIBLE n looked at Psalms 82 n I read it .WOW !!!😲
I was made aware of the Divine Council in 1993 by watching The Shepherd's Chapel via a 12ft diameter satellite dish. The Shepherd's Chapel has been continuously broadcast all over North America and most of Europe for the last 40 years.
I love His Sabbath and His Feast and the Commandments. I know my salvation is from Yeshua but doing these brings freedom. It's beautiful
Thanks for connecting all these men whom have the ability to communicate so clearly.
Great job!
Very well done.
good job
Thanks so much for explaining this by using Tim and Jon's conversations and the info from Dr Mike Heise, whom I am not as familiar with...this is important to be able to understand what the Bible is referring to, and to understand our Lord and our selves as well as what we are to contend with....I appreciate you doing this....
This is a very good summary. I watched most is these separate videos and am glad you created this consolidated video!
I think you do a great job bringing out the 'pain points' in the Divine Council... The things that make it hard to believe. That's a great thing... if we understand what is holding us back, confront it head-on and move through it, we come to a much stronger faith. One that is less fragile and more able to adapt to the trials around us. Thank you.
I like this channel.. thank you!
You are welcome ✅🔔❤️
Great wisdom
Agreed 🔔✅
Good collection of sketches that weaves the story beautifully together.🎉
You are welcome!
Amen and Amen.
Thank you for sharing the truth. It's in the original Hebrew Scriptures.
Right on!
Love it ❤❤❤
Thanks ❤️🔔✅
I am in the process to converting to Orthodoxy (a process that takes a long time, they don't want you to join unless you are really serious) and, although I have never heard any teachings about the Elohim of the Old Testament, Orthodoxy has a very populated spirit world and I'm going to ask about the Elohim sometime when I have a chance. I just had to say that the section at the end starting about 34:12, the scriptures and what Michael Heiser says, sounds exactly like Orthodox teaching, it could have been a clip straight from a talk by an Orthodox priest.
Great stuff brother!
I was made aware of a similar concept in seminary: Something like the "Community of the Cosmos?" "Hear O Heavens, hear O Earth. As opposed to when one says "God" they envision someone alone, "wholly other" etc, God in scripture is seen as "a face in a crowd, or rather a face with a crowd around it." Interesting shift in paradigms.
For me, the Divine Council Worldview (DCW) basically goes against the idea that divine beings in God are automatons without free will. Some of Christianity seems to have the idea that the only other beings in Heaven are angels who follow his orders and do nothing else. When not given orders, they just sit around waiting for more orders. This won’t make sense with the teaching that some angels (or elohim, denizens of the other world) rebelled against God. That means there’s a world of divine beings with free will. That’s why they can either rebel against God or stay loyal to him. The Divine Council is only part of what other elohim do; they might even have free time, have their own civilization, and do other things as free will provides.
Christian belief holds that humans, after death, are supposed to join this heavenly realm and its denizens. Following the DCW, we will keep our free will in heaven. However, Christians who believe in the automaton view of Heaven are likely to disagree (I have been challenged by someone in comments on that). And some Christians also think that they should make Earth into Heaven. So if their view of heaven is that everyone is an automaton, they’ll try to turn people into that. With predictably messy results. It’s not just gnosticism that has the “humans should have no free will” premise; some quarters of Christianity hold it too. It is a heresy that deserves to be corrected.
Basically, bad theology leads to bad treatment of others.
Love your mash ups on these important topics
Thanks ✅❤️🔔
Fabulous Job "Ring Them Bells"!
Why thank you!❤️✅
THANK YOU...AMEN.....you just crushed Mormonism , and that's a good thing ..
Love these comments…Definitely about to check this channel out now! Love you all! Be blessed!
Awesome! Thank you!🔔❤️🔔
Thank you for touching a subject that has mostly been ignored.
I can't help but feeling this, as Mackie would put it, is pretty 'nerdy'. As a Christian it doesn’t change how I live life. Indeed, all I need is to trust in our Father. Adonai ehad.
I really really enjoyed this!! Thanks for putting all the different pieces together! Do you have a link to the two guys talking together? Or how I can search for that interview? I really liked how they took questions and answered them. I love Dr. Heiser but I think they explained it just a little bit better, for me anyway, and used a few more examples than what the Unseen Realm did. Thanks again for the great video!
Thanks! Glad you’re here. That part is from the BibleProject podcast. I will share the link here. If you don’t follow the BibleProject you definitely should. They have an app you can download that is revolutionary and will change the way you study the Bible. Here is the link to the discussion you spoke about. Blessings to you✅❤️🔔
bibleproject.com/podcast/theme-god-e8-god-series-live-qr/?medium=shared_podcast
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Having grown up in houses that were highly active with what the world calls the “paranormal” (I’ve always said the “paranormal” is perfectly normal, people just try to deny it), I’ve never questioned whether the supernatural is real or not. My concern has always been how to manage it, especially when others keep dragging things in, or if I did inadvertently…or intentionally. I didn’t start out reading the Bible, but always had a soft spot for Jesus anyway, and could never understand why anyone didn’t like him or didn’t want to hear what he had to say. I couldn’t understand the hate. But God drew me in when I was looking for him in more recent years. I only now find that there are Christians who don’t actually believe the Bible. That’s weird.
And “delaying an ordination”….I’d say “who are you allowing to “ordain” you as a minister?” And to what organization? Who died and made them Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ didn’t make them the boss of you. HE is the boss of you. And no one else.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY head of his one true church. (Can’t serve 2 masters, and no Christian is authorized to represent him more than any other). No one else has the right to decide what to “ordain” you. The Holy Spirit ordains you. You’re “ordained” when you act, take action and DO whatever it is you are doing for God. Who cares what other humans say or do? No one has more power or authority to use the name of Jesus Christ than any other Christian.
That’s one quick way you know an organization is a counterfeit. They claim rights and authority that they claim you don’t have. Wrong. We are ALL equal members of the body of Christ, simply by our accepting him as Lord and Savior, and by our actions. Actions do speak louder than words. No funky rituals or approval from a human. Those are red flags, dead giveaways to a phony church.
Jesus is “one true church” can only ever be the spiritual collective of every individual worldwide who read, studies, follows, and most importantly, takes action on what he said to do. Most Christians don’t even realize what he said to do. They should start with John 14:12. It wasn’t a mere suggestion that he said you can, it’s an expectation. A very high expectation.
Trying to claim a formal organization is his “one true church” isn’t logical. No one could exclusively read, study, follow and take action on the teachings. No organization could stop anyone else from doing so. And ALL formal organizations take away, and add to them. Total Pharisee thing to do. Therefore ALL are be definition counterfeits, as all have added unbiblical doctrines, and all have stripped out the equal in Christ Jesus and power and authority to WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON JESUS, according to…Jesus himself. By their very existence, having leaders who wield power over others, over their members, they automatically are a counterfeit and stand between their members and God. That’s a no-no. There’s a reason why God tore the temple veil in two. He ended that hierarchy thing. No more need for priests who go talk to God and come back and let you know what he said. Jesus Christ established the direct line. So you’re either trying to live with an old, expired contract, or you get with the new one. God established a new one through Jesus Christ. That’s WHY it’s called the New Testament. The new covenant. New deal. Old one is no more. Jesus face new rights to all who receive him.
That’s why atheist will say that religion is to control the masses. Organized religions are trying to keep that covenant and claim that they have power and authority. The others don’t have. They are trying to control the masses with religiosity. But it’s wrong. And “ordaining” someone or refusing to as a minister or anything else…isn’t for them to say. The Holy Spirit either does or doesn’t. It’s not up to man.
Just so you know, the word jesus, and the letter "j" are an invented word and letter. Made up by the English for the King James Bible. Prior to that time the word jesus had never been uttered on earth at any time. Ever.~inconvenient fact.
As it was expressed to me, the story is true but haSatan has taken the liberty to hide certain names and substantial facts to ensure that many travel the wide path to destruction. Narrow is the gate and only a remnant enter through it.
As a very wise man once said that a man that would study scripture without first learning Hebrew is likened unto a man that would attempt to build a house without using any tools. The facts are all hiding in plain sight. Determine yourself to diligently seek them out. Knock and the door shall be opened, seek and you shall find. Otherwise your just spreading the same lies told to you. Like the perpetuated lie of Santa that X-ians around the world love to tell and practice. Learn to think like the Hebrew prophet EliYah.
Sit and reason with the Almighty and let His Spirit lead and guide you in all truth. Learn what to keep and what to throw away. Sounds like you've already made a good start. Shalom
Wow that's sorted that out for me then. You make PERFECT sense to me and it is Devine intervention that I found and read your wonderful comment tonight. I was raised as a Catholic but knew virtually nothing outside of the basic biblical stories and dropped it all years ago. Recently my life became unbearable as an alcoholic and all this while having two very young kids. I was locked up for two years and while incaserated I had a spiritual experience that blew my mind and I emerged free and reunited to hold my head up clean and sober. I was praying alone in my cell and asking for forgiveness for a very bad thing I was part of. I was deeply emotional with shame for the he first time being honest with myself and the lord, when my body became electrified, warm and with a gentle vibration/shiver running through our my entire body. It grew in strength and I felt surrounded and engulfed with a feeling of unconditional love and forgiveness.
I was dumbfounded and my eyes must have been like dinner plates in my dark cell.
I wept and arose saying "oh my God your really real aren't you" hands in the air.
That left no doubt in me.
What an experience.
How cool was that😊
Lucky me.
Now I'm back in life reunited with my kids. I'm fully recovered and I've been wondering how to go to church and how to find someone to baptize me etc.
Your words have made it clear that my connection with the holy Father is the top priority and not the people that are there to help, nothing is more important than Jesus. Education etc will be good but I'm pretty knowledgeable now. I will pray for guidance. I had already and that led me to your comment.
Thanks again and you've really helped my thoughts tonight.
Bless you and peace to you always Mam.
Jason
I HAVESTUDYED THIS FOR A TIME NOW AND YES I SEE THE TRUTH NOW
I'm stone to hear the scripture narrated in such a unique way, I'm amazed but I think you need to make graphic/ image or make a film illustrating details of the councils of....... as explained
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Nothing I like more than confirmation. Always been introvert, no true friends. Always a whipping post in family and publicly. Using the words abused and victim don't even scratch the surface. Thank goodness for my maternal grandparents, especially my grandmother, that in the first 10 years of my life exposed my to Hebrew thinking. I was ALWAYS behind my grandfather's chair going through grandma's Hebrew books. I couldn't read them, but they amazed me. I was always asking about certain words that would jump off the pages at me. It's where I was introduced to the Sacred Names of The Father and Son. Unfortunately, but maybe fortunately, this ended at age 10 when I confronted my abusive, non believing step father on which was the Sabbath day. He acquiesced to my mother who confirmed the 7th day, Saturday. My question then was, then why do I go the a X-ian church on Sunday. That began a nightmare of him proceeding to try and BEAT the "jew" out of me until I turned 18. I roamed from one X-ian church to the next, always never getting my questions answered but always being lead to the door demanding I never return. I began re discovering my Hebrew roots in my late 20's never fully understanding why X-ians lie so much. Very early I understood the importance of His Sacred Names, the true, biblical Sabbath, His commandments, statutes and ordinances PLUS to sit and "reason" with Him and to "think like Him," as He commands we do.
I'm 67 now and have shared my story with very few. It was impressed on me in mid life that a very wise man once said that someone that studies scripture without first learning Hebrew is likened unto a man that would attempt to build a house without using any tools. My view of X-ianity has always been they build their houses on sand.
The concepts you share in this video I learned by teaching myself Hebrew and studing the Torah. I am thankful for your video confirming my understanding. In Jr. High, living in filth and mold in a basement not fit for existance I read my Bible. I read it all and have never stopped. In that far room in my parents house I read a scripture where He told me that He Himself would teach me and that I was like the apple of His eye.
I share with the unsaved, the unbelievers, the wicked, unrightousness and of course, the Christians. They all say I'm crazy. I am zealous for His Sacred Names, not the names X-ianity uses that either have no meaning (etymology) or refer to Deity as Baal "god" the deity of fortune, as well as the true Sabbath. I am happy you are sharing truth and not everyone gets it. Narrow is the gate and few enter through it. I hope and will pray it is also revealed to you His forever, Memorial Names and that you also teach people to quit trusting and using worthless, made up names like jesus. It ONLY came about with the English invention of the letter "j" for use in the King James Bible. Prior to 500 years ago it had never been known or spoken on earth. How can a language have a name equal to that of ANY of His Expressed Hebrew Names if He only revealed His Names to His chosen Hebrew people? Greek has and had NO NAME for Him. They made one up. So did the English based on a made up Greek name. Latin, same thing.
His Sabbath, created for ALL MANKIND, His very last creation at the end of the 6th day, will and IS a forever day. It never ceases. Yet X-ianity completely ignores it based on a wicked Pope changing it and bragging about it in the Catholic Adult Catechism book. ALL this information is hiding in plain sight. One only has to seek to find. I wish you all Shalom.
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I love it ❤
Clean only in your own eyes
The Lord himself comes to do battle sugarcoating it is a disservice.
My Biblical Training taught me Imitate the Father, Imitate His Son!!❤
Bugville
Hello everyone if we say we believe it's not a pick and mixture on the top selves. Like a sweet shop. He is the keeper faithfully
Great video substance. I'd advise you to get a microphone for your portion of the videos. It's pretty hard to hear and echoey.
Thank you so much. I’ve got a mobile recording studio set up with microphones and all of the good stuff, I just needed to put this snippet in quickly and just use my office. I’ll make sure to go in studio for future releases. Thanks for your encouragement
Fallen angels .;;; God is us god became flesh and fall asleep … satan and his angels are ruling now god jesus awake us we will be all Christ the true god one god one body sons becoming father in Christ
Until I understood the Divine Council, I could not understand human destiny.
Hi Grace and peace from the Lord to you all .. where may I obtain a free Bible or app that translates the correct Hebrew text
So are we concentrating on the text you have up or what they're saying???
27:19 …what chapter in Hebrews please and thanks
I found it Hebrews 2
Hi, Dr Heiser talks about a book that he had ready to publish after 10 years of getting it together , does anyone know the exact name of that book please ??
I believe that would be the Unseen Realm. I just ordered it along with Reversing Hermon. Next Im getting his book on Angels and his book on Demons.
Is that Ben Witherington - That said his ordination was delayed? 😀
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Man of Right is god in flesh, those to whom The Commandments come are The Sons and Daughters of God. To do His Commandments is to walk with Him and to become One with Him ( gods and godesses in flesh and blood ) The Black House of Israel, The House of Bobo Shanti, The Ethiopia Africa Black International Congress and Church of True Divine Salvation. Most High Selassie I Jahovah Jah Rastafari.
Are we not the sons of God now and are humans?
From what I am learning, the Sons of God in the old testament are the heavenly hosts and we are the Sons of God in the New Testament.
I need help understanding the transfer of dominion.
1.) Adam was given dominion of earth
2.) The fall happened and
option 1) Satan immediately got dominion of earth?
option 2) In our fallen state we actively give away our God given dominion
2.5) Genesis 6 happens and fallen sons of God try to usurp man's dominion on earth by having offspring that are human enough to have dominion
2.6) The flood wipes them out
3) Jesus comes to earth and reclaims dominion after his ressurection
option 1) because he conquered sin and death it nullifies what happens in Genesis 3? I think I need elaboration on this
option 2) ???
If #3 is correct how come the fruition of his reclaiming dominion doesn't happen til the 2nd coming?
#2 Is not clear, only that dominion was divided during the tower of babel 70 ways, "table of nations" Gen 10.
See this further discussed with Daniel/Gabriel interaction - Fighting of the Princes.
#2.7 Then by the time of Jesus is walking the earth it was Satan's to give so he must have had dominion at that time.
#3 Opt 2 - When We see the seals of the scroll being broken in Rev., this is Dominion going back to Jesus after he breaks the 7th seal.
This description was a common type of scroll (multiple seals and more specifically writing on both sides) indicates it is a title scroll for ownership.
Only Jesus can open it as he is the one that paid for it.
Hope this helps
Defending my belief in the make believe.
The Divine council would be the Godhead.
it wouldnt actually
@@bertgoat [GODHEAD IN THREE PERSONS (1 Joh. 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. Ac. 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Col. 2:9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Ps. 19:1-6 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day into day utters speech, and night into night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voices not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them has he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.)
The Father, Son and Spirit are called God.
FATHER (Joh. 6:27); SON (Joh. 1:1-3; 8:58; 20:28; Ac. 20:28; Heb. 1:8); SPIRIT (Ac. 5:3-4)
All three persons are mentioned together in the same passages.
1. The baptism of Christ (Mt. 3:16-17).
2. The promise of the Comforter (Joh. 14:16).
3. The Kingdom Commission (Mt. 28:18-20).
4. Paul's apostolic benediction (2 Cor. 13:14).
5. The unity of the spirit (Eph. 4:4-6).
The Trinity working in unity as the Godhead.
1. Creation - The Spirit moved (Gen. 1:2). God spoke, Christ (the Word) created all things (Joh. 1:1-3); God said, "Let US make man in OUR image (Gen. 1:26; 1 Th. 5:23)
2. Incarnation - The Father gave (Joh. 3:16-17), the Spirit placed the seed (Mt. 1:18; Lk. 1:35), and the Son was born of a virgin (Mt. 1:18-25)
3. Resurrection (Ac. 13:30) - Father (Gal. 1:1), Son (Joh. 10:17), Spirit (Rom. 8:11)
4. Salvation (Eph. 1:3-14)
5. Prayer (Eph. 3:14; 5:20; 6:18)]
If they delayed your ordination for a year that would have been a sign to me that I may belong to the wrong denomination.....like duh.
My guess you are in a denomination that my people refer to as the Frozen Chosen.
Some people don’t abandon their location due to conflict. They stay and try to be a light in the darkness. Just making sure you are aware. I am not that guy, I just have him featured in this video✌️✅🔔
@@ringthembells143 I thought of that after writing and anticipated this reply....and certainly in principle I would have to agree with you. I guess That decision would be between that man and God.
The Powerful Delusion is truly powerful. I pray you find the Truth.
X-ianity is caught in the grips of the powerful delusion. An apostate religion to be sure.
The interpretation of Elohim is a difference between texts. But most commonly the sons of God refers to the godly lineage of Israel. And daughters of man refers to the lower state of mankind. Jesus referring to Elohim is referring to what was stated in poetry and folklore writings. That being said, it goes to show the thinking/beliefs of OT/NT Jews at the time and God us able to use it to His advantage.
I’m sorry there is a gigantic amount of biblical evidence just presented here in this video to disagree with what you’re saying.
Plural Elohim is exclusively referring to spiritual beings.
The one and only time it ever even speaks about a human is in 1st Samuel and it is a spirit of the prophet coming back from the grave. Look up the necromancer of Endor👀
What you call folklore is the narrative that Jesus saw himself fulfilling. Folklore did not talk back to Jesus from the demoniac. Folklore did not tempt Jesus in the desert and offer him all the kingdoms of the world. Folklore was not in the garden at the beginning.
Sorry, the Bible just simply disagrees with you.
@@ringthembells143
In agreement! But just a note, ha Satan in the desert offering the glory and wealth of all civilizations past, present and future is also know as Baal God.
The word "god" in Hebrew has 2 definitions. 1) coriander, 2) Baal God, the deity of FORTUNE!
Interesting how modern televangelist as well as denominations preach prosperity doctrine, and pray to Baal God.🤔
An old testament scripture references where the Almighty declares He will remove from our tongues calling Him Baal, current day use of the word God. Little deeper down the rabbit hole than I believe you are right now, but an incredable study and revelation I sincerely and humbly hope you find. Shalom
@@noway905 you're living in the rabbit hole!
@clm3636 you just presented Augustinian's view. A view that has been visited and found lacking with the recent discovery of Ugaritic materials. The Ugaritic materials provide insight into the thinking of ancient Hebrews. Dr. Heiser's work calls us to understand Hebrew Bible as it was originally written. Only then can we accurately apply it to our lives today.
Ancient thinking isn't always Biblical thinking, that's my point.
Like Demi gods ? 🙏 E
The number of Elohim is not "many", the Elohim are the the "bear" and her cubs (Job 38:32), these Elohim (cubs) are seven in number (seven eyes around the throne, seven candles in the menorah)
Then why does the word Elohim refer to A deceased persons Spirit in 1 Samuel 28🤷🏻♂️ Your definition of Elohim is more rigid than the actual text ✅
@@ringthembells143 Simple, Samuel is an Elohim as are most of the main characters in the bible, such as the Judges, they are also called Elohim. Samuel is Sama-El (Samael). This is difficult for most to comprehend due to their religious indoctrination (Some say brainwashing), most people and their religions are entirely invested in 'belief", the Muslim call themselves 'believers". There are to phases to the Elohim, which the Gnostics call the 1st and 2nd pleroma. Their first advent was as the forces of external nature, light, dark, wind, water, etc, then they were elevated to being intelligencers or tellers of time in the planisphere, they became stars and constellations, evolving eventually planetary gods, which became our days of the weeks, months and years as tellers of time. In brief, that is the phenomenal origins of the Elohim. The beginnings are NATURAL, PHENOMENAL, not religious or superstitious. It is the same with the Greek gods, the first advent was the TITANS, the second advent was the OLYMPIANS!.
@@ringthembells143 Once you understand that mythology is a MODE of expression, and something to be 'believed" in, you have to then learn the "language", because that is what a mode of expression is; a language. Mythology is a language with all the rules and regulations of any language, the interpretation of mythology is no more arbitrary than operations in mathematics. This language is universal, it is one as a mode of expression, one as a language and there is only one interpretation. This is not for those who want to "believe", it is only for those who want to know.
Genisis 1:26 Elohim plural ( Father Son that are one in Spirit ) said " let Us make man in our image and likeness " so God made man , in the image of God made He him male and female made He them.
Pslam 2 "You are my Son, this day I begat you".
2nd Samuel- Hebrews "I will be His Father He shall be my Son "
Then proverbs tells us the day the Father begat the Word was before creation of this world .
John 1 the Word was with and is God.. means from out the side of to be alongside of.
Then God made man and woman... the image and likeness of the Father and the Son for the Word came forth of the Father and was given the name Son ...this is why the Son is the Only begotten God of the only true God before the world was.
The Father is the one who begat out of His Spirit.. so God made Adam first ...then God took out of Adams side flesh and bone and made another person... two persons yet one flesh and bone...
The image and likeness of Elohim Two Gods but One Spirit that is also God... hemce all three are Yehovah ...Yehovah Yehovah the Word and Yehovah the Spirit...all three active together conversiong with each other
Hebrews teaches the Holy Spirit says of the Son " Therefore anointed You Ho Theos , the Ho Theos of You."
The begotten Word is given the na,e of Son , Gods Firstborn Heir and God anointed Him Ho Theos, making the Son equal with Himself
So twisted and distorted not even trying to fix it, funny in the end comes down to pick a side
Jesus says he desires mercy not sacrifice. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He says not to murder. He cannot lie. He is not the Author of Confusion. The two greatest commandments are to love the lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. The second is to love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. So with that God is Love and does everything out of Love. He is the same always and doesn’t lie or will he confuse. So, the god of the Old Testament required sacrifice which is against what Jesus says where he doesn’t desire sacrifices. Look at 2 Samuel 24 with David’s Census. That god tells David to number the people then he turns around and punishes him for numbering them. That’s a god of confusion. Yahweh is the god of the Old Testament who required sacrifice and was the author of confusion which is against what Jesus says he is. So, who is this god of the Old Testament then?? No other than Satan. There is truths and lies in the Bible. Jeremiah 8:8 ““How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.”
It tells you the scribes (writer’s) lie. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
Dividing the word of truth. Why dividing the word because as what Jeremiah 8:8 says there are lies. There is truth and lies mixed in the word.
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No creature councils God
He does not need them but wants a family to share with. He wants a human family also. God sits in the Midst of the Counsel meaning he is the Omnipotent one. God is love and wants to share that love with His families. IMO.
@solobo5823 this idea that God takes advise from Angel's contradicts scripture... We , Us , references the persons that constitute Elohim , the Father the Word (Son) the Spirit.
@@Exodus--bx3dd 1Kings 22:19-23.
@solobo5823 Isaiah 40:13 , Romans 11:34. But oh no , people don't accept Gods word , that He declares Himself plural in person. Rather than admit this, Unitarians cling to doctrine that speculates and contradicts scripture.
As for 1Kings , God was not taking advice from Angels. The Prophet was justifying the word YHVH as being his source , and the Kings Prophets as deceiving Spirits.
Heiser really had low regard for Christ, Jesus settles the question of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10, bacically the Son is repeating what the Father said, and quotes the Psalmist Asaph.
Jesus holds the answer of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10. The gods/elohim of Psalm 82 have never been non human/spirit beings/angels.
Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings.
Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," (elohim), because God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel.
2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods” >>> Exodus 4:22 You are to say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the Lord says: “Israel is my firstborn son." If you know your bible Jacob is Israel and there would be 12 sons borns to Jacob, which make up the 12 tribes of Israel. When a person reads Psalm 82:6 when it mentions "sons" it is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel in the physical world.
In reality what a person can get from scripture is that Jesus tells us who the "gods/elohim" are in Psalm 82 when we read John 10 34-35. Jesus is the One who fulfills the words of the prophets from the OT in the NT, that is why Jesus REPEATED the exact words " I said, “You are gods, from Psalm 82 (God/Father) in John 10 (God/Son).
The gods/elohim/divine council in Psalm 82 are not disembodied spirits, angelic or nonhuman spirit beings, they are Israel, all of Israel (Jacob's descendents) would be human, which includes judges, elders, rulers, kings, and the common Isrealite citizen.
Bringing Tim into this lost me.
Funny he’s what helped me through the whole process. Tim Mackie is a hero of mind and we feature his voice consistently on this channel. Heiser and Mackie have worked together on multiple occasions and were great friends
@@ringthembells143that’s your right, and God can speak through people like him. I did enjoy their conversations but , but in my opinion, MH kept the guardrails up and made sure to qualify thoughts to (again, in my option) keep their conversations from drifting into heretical territory. I just don’t trust TM and therefore don’t have the brainpower to constantly keep watch on where he ‘extrovertantly’ wanders.
You have quality videos and I agree with the substance, but with so much coming from TM, it comes with too many potential risks for me personally. Peace.
i sat in the council of the Lord, He brought Jeremiah and Isaiah to teach me. now i met all the 24 elders they are sweet they love us we are their fruit. they give me songs stories and gifts for you all. i post them
Polytheism
No
@@goldenbear8250 >1
Can't defend what your not a part of. Bible is about christ and his church.
The Bible is NOT about Christ, it IS about the Law of God, THE Master and Creator of the Universe.
@@kimlizotte694 way wrong. Go back through catechism.
@@Dlee-eo5vv the first commandment of the ten commandments God tells anyone with a pair of ears that he is THE Lord your God and there'll be no other gods before Him. I take that seriously, and that's why I don't do Jesus - there's only one God and it's the Almighty not this fictitious Jesus shit that people are stupid enough to buy into.
@@Dlee-eo5vv
Have you never studied the horrors of the Catholic Pope's and church? And yet you pretend to school others on subjects, language, and Scripture YOU HAVE PERSONALLY NEVER STUDIED? Really? Seriously?
I am God and there is NONE besides me.. now why would God need a counsel HE IS COUNSEL. Matter of fact tbat is one of the seven spirits of God the spirit of counsel... I'll give you the other six to while I'm at it. The spirit of the LORD That's the spirit of truth. The spirit of wisdom for many lack it seems these days. The spirit of knowledge another many lack these days. The spirit of understanding another many seem to be not having very much of these days. The spirit of strength meaning spiritual strength in him in his Son. The spirit of the fear of the LORD meaning reverence deep reverence to him humility and humble in his Son Jesus saying learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart. But no spiritual counsel is mentioned anywhere among those seven spirits when they are mentioned. Now when Jesus comes and takes this planet over he will have set the ones that have been selected to be over things him over all of it And God over EVERYTHING! on the earth and in heaven. God needs NO counsel from anyone or anything and to think he does is ridiculous.
There is absolutely no debating that the Bible talks about god having a council. It might not make sense to you. But that’s what God did. God also made humans, he didn’t need them. But he made them to rule and reign on his behalf here on earth. He created beings in heaven to do the very same thing.
You just called the claims of scripture ridiculous.
You can have your beliefs. I will stick with scripture as it is in it’s original context.
You are correct that God needs no counsel - however, the heart of God is to co-reign with his family. God didn’t need to create any worlds or any beings like humans and angels. But we share in the work of God and do his work because we love him and we do it through His power. All glory to God. And the same for the sons of God, the angelic beings that God created to help do His work even though he didn’t need them. It’s a very fatherly attribute wanting to have a family and involve them.
GOD needs COUNSEL?!?!?!
This world has really lost it!!
Do u KNOW WHO HE IS?!?!
WHAT HE IS?!?!
He needs counsel from NO ONE
God is a god of ORDER
There are ranks in the kingdom of God
NO ONE approaches the throne of glory, without coming thru Christ FIRST
It is IMPOSSIBLE to stand within his glory
Every creation has a PURPOSE
To SERVE!
The simplicity of the carnal mind if man will never understand the divinity of God
You exalt what u call "knowledge" above the word of God !
But Your "knowledge" of falsehoods will only serve u in your destination to DAMNATION
There is no divine council just God the Word and the Spirit...this is Elohim there are 3 persons that are One Yehovah.
However God is Two persons Father and Son that are one in Spirit.
The Spirit never receives a person hood as God assigned to Himself a Father and to the Word a Son , but the Spirit is always Spirit..He is the omniscience omnipresence omnipotence of the Godhead and is Almighty God.
The Spirit manifests as Fire Wind Water Clouds..and as a dove..He brings to be all that the Word commands. The Spirit seeks to glorify the Father by the Son, in both the old and new covenants ..the Spirit does not seek to glorify Himself.
Not Biblical.
@@honorablevessel
Genisis 1:26 Elohim plural ( Father Son that are one in Spirit ) said " let Us make man in our image and likeness " so God made man , in the image of God made He him male and female made He them.
Pslam 2 "You are my Son, this day I begat you".
2nd Samuel- Hebrews "I will be His Father He shall be my Son "
Then proverbs tells us the day the Father begat the Word was before creation of this world .
John 1 the Word was with and is God.. means from out the side of to be alongside of.
Then God made man and woman... the image and likeness of the Father and the Son for the Word came forth of the Father and was given the name Son ...this is why the Son is the Only begotten God of the only true God before the world was.
The Father is the one who begat out of His Spirit.. so God made Adam first ...then God took out of Adams side flesh and bone and made another person... two persons yet one flesh and bone...
The image and likeness of Elohim Two Gods but One Spirit that is also God... hemce all three are Yehovah ...Yehovah Yehovah the Word and Yehovah the Spirit...all three active together conversiong with each other
Hebrews teaches the Holy Spirit says of the Son " Therefore anointed You Ho Theos , the Ho Theos of You."
The begotten Word is given the na,e of Son , Gods Firstborn Heir and God anointed Him Ho Theos, making the Son equal with Himself
@@Exodus--bx3dd Nothing you said disproves the existence of the divine council.. You completely ignore scripture that specifically states there IS a divine council. Just because the nature of God is triune doesn't mean there is no divine council.
No one councils God
Isaiah 40:13 ... Who
hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?”.
You're not telling me anything new.
I've been taught about, and believe in that before we came here. We (everyone who recieved a mortal body) was a part of the Divine Council.
We chose God's plan. We knew God's plan.
It was after the Divine Council that Lucifer rebelled against the Father, because his plan for us was rejected.
Jesus on the other hand, not only agreed with the Father, but volunteered to become the one who would atone for all the sins, of all the generations after Adam.
By the way. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Yeshua IS God in human form so naturally he agreed. Lol.
Keep you're Adam God : Oh that's right a Mormon prophet who gets confused about Mormon theology: how pathetic!
@@davidjanbaz7728 You must be one of those Christians who think that everything in the bible is literal. Except for those verses that disagree with your beliefs.
The divine council is mentioned in the bible. But so are the so called apocryphal books of Enoch and Jasher.
But then those books are heretical in your eyes.
Heiser’s sloppy exegesis constructed a bridge to heresy and Mormonism. There is only one God and Holy Scripture makes that abundantly clear. Sad to learn Tim Mackie was deceived.
You are not arguing with Heiser or Mackie you are arguing with Scripture. This just isn’t in one place like Genesis 6 but ALL over your Bible. You have a mountain of Biblical text to deny if you deny this concept. Good luck with that.
Clearly, your filter to interpret scripture has not been broken yet
@@mutsvaiv and it won’t be 🔔🥳✅
@@ringthembells143 in my Bible and the Heaven I am going to there is only ONE God. Your Mormon “heaven” has many gods but I’m not going there. Repent of your errors.
Jesus and the Father are one, but never one with Yahweh. Jesus repudiates Yahwehs actions repeatedly. Much love my brothers.
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Not anymore... LOL
Mauro Biglino has solved this thing long long ago. Elyon is just a high commander ( NOT GOD) of the Elohim ( which are the same as the annunaki,aesir,theoi, neteru,vedas, ilu etc in other cultures). These are also not God or Gods. They are some form of humanoid, obviously a species related to humans since their sons can procreate with the daughters of adam.
Those elohim were assigned a part of the world to rule over depending on the their number. YHWH is just a minor elohim who is a military commander and makes a pact with a specific tribe of people in his attempt to beat other minor elohims of other tribes and gain territory ( e.g Milkom, Chamosh, Dagon etc). It is more than obvious that YHWH ( and other elohims) had high technology weapons and crafts ( e.g Kavod, Ruach, Cheruvim) which have all been mistranslated. The destruction of Sodom/Gomora was done by multiple elohim with a nuke described perfectly in the bible ( due to alliance betrayal).
Read or view Mauro Biglino's work and everything will get so much easier and clear.
And what substantiates Mauro Biglino's claims?
Before I watch anymore of this video, jnhave read the Bible many times, last two.times first I took notes from beginning to end, second I reread it, and contemplated every note and wrote more.
This lead me to being an athiest.
This collection of books is supposedly written by God through man, if that is the case, tell me why an all powerful all knowing God has to have blood shed and death before he can forgive your sins? If he is all knowing and all powerful he should be able to see into your kind and heart and know if you are truly repenting.
But that isn't the case. This is just one example that proves he is neither omnipotent nor omniscient, and there for is not a God, and therefore can not possibly exist. I have dozens more just like this, from the Bible itself!
Also, things that we consider immoral today the biblical God has no problem with, what so ever!
So if this immoral being that supposedly wrote these books through man(because he obviously doesn't have enough power to will it into existence) why should I believe or do anything from this collection of books.
No trinity exists in the scriptures, fully invented. What is really disclosed by the gospels? Jesus is ONLY WITH THE FATHER, reiterated FIFTY times by Him. This means that no further divinities with own personhood can exist!!! Jesus further states that the Father is a spirit (Jn. 4:23,24), hence here there are Jesus + Father who is a spirit. Period. What does it mean the Father being a spirit? Simply that the real Father is ABSENT, AWAY, you just have a "virtual presence" of the Father here. This is why Jesus says "nobody has seen God at any time", surely not because "God is INVISIBLE"!!!
If God is "away", this means He is NOT IN HEAVEN either. On this point there are definitely CONTRADICTORY statements in the gospels. However, having the Father together with Jesus would be nonsensical: Jesus would surely not be THE KING of heaven. The FATHER would be the King instead! Further evidence that the Father is absent: Jesus states "all things are now in my hand" (i.e. He "inherited" the reign of God). In accordance Jesus states that He only is the JUDGE to determine whether you can be admitted in heaven, NOT THE FATHER ! (Only Jesus is the BREAD who gives life!) A further confirmation of the Father's absence is that Jesus states to sit at the right hand OF THE POWER, not at the right hand of God.
As regards the statements on the contrary, maybe at that time it was impossible to tell people that God was actually not in heaven...
Only the Father who is a spirit is with Jesus. From Mt. 12:32 you can learn that SPIRIT is called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus ("...whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him"). "Son" means He DERIVES from God, He is not an actual son.