(1466) LockLab Pinning Tray Experiments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- In video 1466 I document some of the experiments (trials and failures) to produce an economical pinning tray. My objective was to use my CNC 3D carver to make a nice tray that I could sell on the website to help offset the cost of the giveaways and shipping, but it just didn't quite work out that way... Making these trays, even with a CNC controlled carver, simply takes too long to produce in quantity.
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Wow! What a process that proved to be. Thanks for sharing all of it, and not just the final result... and thanks again for the awesome pinning trays. 👍 Can’t wait to see what other uses you find for your new CNC router!
I agree. Failures teach a lot more than successes, especially since a lot of times, the best thing to use and best results are not always the most economical and most available. It's like saying "Here you go guys, I made a pinning tray from solid gold. I had tried many other things and had various problems, but found a solid gold pinning tray worked great. Here are the plans for anyone wanting to make one.". As opposed to saying "I tried this and this happened, then I tried this and while it fixed that problem it created this problem" and so on. I am learning wood whittling/carving and this video is exactly the type of educational videos I am looking for, which is, examples of how different materials are cut/carved differently.
takes all the fun out of finding pins in the carpet
Your display of trial and error made this video incredibly educational.
I love the idea, the thought process, and you showing us each step along the way. They may take a while, but they are gorgeous.
(...But not as gorgeous as The Jeep)
Look at pharmaceutical counting trays too. The other option to offset your costs is to sell the plans for us to make them at home, and the bonus to that is that you don't have to ship anything. Love your experimentation!
Well, it might be time to replace my pinning tray that i built from Lego.
Pic?
So I’m not the only one! My first pinning tray is entirely legos from when I was 12-13
Nice work and a load of time to get it right, great to share the experience !
"Harry"? Did you just out the LPL?
Hairy! The LPL must just be... unusually hairy...! ;)
LockpickingLawyer’s first name has been mentioned in a few earlier videos.
@@tuba7084 Indeed, like the one where LPL tries to break into the Locklab!
That happend a while ago in naughty bucket chronicles
That final version really is great. I made my own after watching your video with the flooring samples and added more 'blank' space on the left because I'm left handed, so its nice to have a spot to rest the heel of your hand when working in the tray (sorting after gutting or repinning etc).
If you do have this as a product one day, add a left hander and I'll be buying... Well, it looks so good I'd buy it anyway
We learn more from failure than success
thanks for your ideas
I love watching your videos, I am terrible at picking locks but its fun to watch you and LPL pick locks. I have learned so much about what not to buy for a lock! Also I just received my new snapmaker a350 so I am looking forward to trying to cnc a pinning tray else I will 3d print one. Thanks.
Thank-You for your persistence,patience and showing the process you went through. Excellent video!!
Just seen your epic journey to pin tray heaven Wow fantastic I've taken on board some of your ideas and I'll be using MDF for myself . let's hope it all works out.
Once again thank you.
Robbie from Huyton Liverpool UK
Very nice video!! You never cease to teach and entertain me. Thanks for all your efforts to make excellent videos.
All the best,
Norm in Arizona
VERY COOL! Personally, I would gladly take any of the rejects!
Excellent, Bill. You always go above and beyond for us.
Hey Bill, love the concept and the mistake that became so useful...sliding pins into slots. If you do come up with a couple sizes...please make a small one, the same size as the LAB LPB001 tray 4"x4.5" so it can fit in my SuperWedge.
Thanks for all the great videos!
Good work. That final one looks great! Well done.
Awesome looking trays well done kind sir
That black one is beautiful! I couldn't see toolmarks in the video. Great work!
Machining anything is a process, take your time, do multiple passes, I was in a Cad class during high school and while I didnt get to go out into the shop much, I did learn a little about machining and it's not an easy thing to do, currently going to college for mechanical engineering so it's cool to see a channel I would have never expected to talk about these kind of things talk about them!
The Bamboo is really good looking.
Very cool Bill. Thank you for sharing the process.
Wow, even the failures are nice work - would love to have that black one 😉😉 great work, Bill !! 👍
What a tease lol the black ones are nice I actually think the tool lines add to the look a bit of mechanical contrast.
thinking out loud hear
make the master then use it as a mold for hdpe press?
or kydex press it?
Looks good Bill! Gotta say, I think the cheaper, cutting board versions are actually my favorite. Excited to see what else comes out of the Locklab cnc!
You've certainly been a busy little bee! So many prototypes but worked out well in the end.👍🏻🍺😎
This make me want to build one now. And I don't have a router so I gotta do it with handtools. Damit bill your lucky I like this kind if project.
But for real these look pretty cool. Always cool to see someone's prototyping and perfection of.. anything really. Keep it up.
absolutely beautiful you and AVE are brothers
Well, we have talked on the phone...😄
nice work
Looks great. Way to keep at it.
I bet the mistakes in all the early ones where the depths of the sudden plunges are wrong are caused by operating the mill in mode G64 and not G61, with the feed rate too fast for the acceleration capability of the machine, when not in G61 mode (exact stop mode) the machine will literally cut corners to be able to maintain the feed rate. This would go much faster by routing the shapes of the cavities rather than doing a raster cut with the Z axis doing so much work.
I was hoping someone would bring this up. There's a lot of room for saving time with better tool paths.
Hey Bill! Have you considered selling them through Shapeways? I'm pretty sure you can list them on there and get a cut if people order them to be printed. Then people can get them out of several different materials and colors.
Corian is as you found, very variable, it comes filled with various particles, sometimes these are softish and sometimes they are rock dust. Corian blunts tools like nothing else.
Very nice
That must have been quite the learning curve. I’m sure you’ve got plenty of ideas for other cool stuff turning over in the old noggin. Looking forward to seeing it and very community minded to just share all your hard work for nothing. Legend 👍
Absolutely Amazing Bill..You Suprise me all the time, with what you make. You are Amazing, so yeah they look coool, Good Job Bill. Well Done, 😀😀😉
bummer - you got my hopes up for an "official LockLab pinning tray" and then dashed them...
Me and you alike!
Same, I was waiting for him to say the price but then... sadness.
Since he is giving out the code you could find a maker space or library and use their equipment.
@@jmr yeah but it's not the same and the nearest maker space to my location is about a 3-hour drive away...
@@John-lx8iu That is a long drive!
Bill hook me up!!!. Lol. Sure u ain’t heard that yet today😂. Great video and idea!
Great video showing your progress with it. Too bad it isn’t feasible to mass produce for the website yet........at this point. 👍
Maybe someone will have a suggestion for a super-cheap super-fast-to-cut material.
Just queued one up on my 3d printer. I've got your old design printed(I think it was designed for Adrian?) and it has worked great for a few years now. I don't need another but I'll give this one a shot as well. Thank you for the designs and happy picking.
I know I'm posting on an old video, But it could possibly be economically viable to produce these. You could make 4 of them perfectly without chamfering on the back, Then make a reusable silicone tray mold and cast the trays out of epoxy. The rear chamfering could be added with a router afterwards. Or if you thought there was a demand for them, the trays general design could be replicated as a thin vacuformed plastic unit.
Personally I feel that there could be market for a light and low cost vacuformed pinning tray as most of the cheaper mass produced wooden or plastic ones seem to be made in the USA, And on items that are cheap but heavy, shipping to customers in the rest of the world often costs more than the item.
Probably been mentioned but making a silicon mold and resin trays by the boat load.. Mix, pour, come back in an hour..
For that deep slot Google trochoidal milling. Or have it cut in a ramp not a plunge
Awesome work Mr BosnianBill. They look really nice and very user friendly design. 👍🤘🖖🍻
Have you considered making the flutes slightly deeper than the dump area? You still get that easy slide action going into the flute but better retention in the flute with less of a chance of the pin going back into the dump area if you bump or tilt the tray should you need to move it.
good job on them pinning trays
You Making these in your Dreams now? BOTS specialty - mass production. Tho - Never get the Uniqueness of Flaws, and Ideas they Bring!
Ridges may slow movement of parts. What patience ~ Wonderful work! NICE TOY! : }
Very cool bill my friend👍😊👍😊😎✌
Great job sir thank you very much I've been looking for a pinning tray for quite a long time now I think I might have the nerve to actually try my own and maybe fail.
Whoehoe, weekend clip!
Absolutely detailed information on tray making 😣I have no CNC and not even a tray lol I use a lid from Tupperware container...lol but it works .thanks for sharing great video buddy. 😎
Awesome Tray's. Maybe you come up with a fast and easier way. Keep up the awesome work.👍
While not for sale... Maybe weekend giveaway bonuses? Hint. Hint.
These would take about 20mins each on an industrial CNC. I'm willing to give it a shot when I'm not so busy.
I wonder if it might be better to make the pin slots about 1mm or a half mm lower than the open tray area. Then you can dump the pins in the open area and they maybe won't want to come back out of the slots once they have been sheparded into a slot.
For the tool marks, what would it look like if you had it run multiple passes, but rotated the boards by 90 degrees between passes? Also, if the goal is to slide the pins into the channels, what if the channels were set slightly lower than the dump area so after sliding the pins in, they stay in their respective channels?
What you could do is make a silicon mold out of a good version, and then pour in resin to make versions.
Da Skippy
Great idea 👍
Square end mills with a tool change.
Love it. Your process reminds me of my Property Management business. The first few times I try something new, it takes forever. After the tenth try I start to think, "Wow, I wonder if I can do that blindfolded with only one hand?" It is a proven fact, "To become a Master it often takes 10,000 hours."
Have you tried LDPE? It’s commonly used for kitchen cutting boards, and should be no problem to mill.
Great Work bill thank you for all the time you put in to help us all !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If at first you don't.... Oh! Wait... You already did that. lol Nice going Bill.
The ball end mills will give smoother finishes in larger sizes. As far as the logo goes, the best way to do that is a v-bit with a 3d routine that traces the letters.
If you're having troubles plunging, using a drill to run in a pilot hole is very helpful. That makes a space for the center of the end mill.
Instead of using corian, use UHMW Polyethylene. The particles in corian are silica which is VERY abrasive. Tooling wont last.
I made one out of the floor since that's where everything ends up anyway.
Nice work!
The macine marks on the black look useful.
A feature rather than a bug: anti-roll grooves :)
You put a lot of work in on that but it seems a bit pointless as you rarely gut locks now days.
I backed my pinning tray with that flexible magnetic white matt to reduce things bouncing away
Lol meanwhile I made a decent pinning tray out of Legos
It's has 5 compartments
Pin slots where you can drag them
Springs
Bible
Plug
Extra pieces (like schlage tail pieces or c-clips)
You should take a picture and post it on IMGUR and share the direct JPG/PNG link in your comment.
Well, that is disappointing. I've for years now been looking for a good pinning tray. One of fair size and only ones to be found are very cheap material and small on Ebay. I saw the thumbnail and thought, "Great Bill's gonna make and sell trays, YAY!" 🙁
I don't have a CNC machine nor can I afford it. No one makes good trays so... dumping pins on a towel is still my only option. Thanks Bill for the tease.
As a professional machinist, skip those (stupid) ballnose endmills. Use a bullnose instead (flat bottom with a radius only on the edges). MUCH fewer passes to get the flat areas really flat and steps only where the material curves anyway so our eyes and touch aren't as demanding.
To get down in the material, don't plunge stright down - use a spiral motion (with a slightly smaller tool if necesarry).
Get rid of the cut material, pressurized air or a vacuum can make wonders.
Have fun and fiddle around with the different strategies your CAM software provides...
Perseverance a word....
Perseverance
Mr. Bosnian Bill your first tray looks much like my lock picking ability. Lmao if possible I'd love to purchase it as my first pinning tray.
How hard would this be with a Dremel?
those trays are cool!
Thank you but man, friends are too honest sometimes. #whoishairy
or you could make your prototype pinning tray and have a mold made then do it plastic injection to get a finer product?
Imagine a pinning tray with a transparent lid, and it seals tightly shut. The lock stays in pieces until you work at it again
(U.K.)
What was the material you used for the trays? Corean? Korean?
Corian. A common material used on kitchen and bathroom counters.
I've seen that LPL tray!
Nice - but what's with the phallic symbol in the large pinning trays (once you see it, you can't unsee it) :D
Looks like a wonderful job on the final version. However, my hands never look like that after woodworking. I have to do knuckle skinning mechanic work to end up like that. Don't really get along with wood do you? 😁
What would the tribe members have to do to get one of your “less than perfect” boards. I use a utensil tray as my pinning board and would be honored to sport one with “LockLab”!
I want one
How about poured resin?
Thanks for all of that hard work Bill. I already started looking in my billfold to see if I might have enough to order one before you were done. Oh well was a nice thought from you. On another note have you ever taken apart a 5 pin brass Brinks padlock to remove the cylinder? If you have would love to see that, I've been mass watching your vid's. trying to find something like that for the last 3 days.
Damn fine Bill. Having fun with Solidworks? Trying to get something fun / frustrating printed for you to play with ;)
Why not 12 flutes? for larger pin set counts?
Some sweet work.
Nice pinning trays. That one tray does look like a Jeep. LOL If I ever put together my 3D printer, I'll be able to make my own pinning tray.
You're videos are inspirational. I try and try, and I have some success (recently SPP a 6 pin euro with spooled pin) but your ability and problem solving skills are so fucking awesome. The bump key spring for example. Just wanted to say that, I'd love to learn under someone with your knowledge.
Andy Copland - you already do!
when are you taking orders :)
I dont use CNC machines but my understanding is that they are not very economical on the home scale. You probably need a beefier machine and or softer materials to crank these out.
That said, as a giveaway, they are very nice.
Maybe one solution is cut down the length of each of the pining slots. So you are using something to better represents the overall length of the pin stack and not something too long. I understand some locks need this much room or you want to accommodate alien locks but average users only have 5 to 7 chambers and only 3 (or 4 if mastered) elements present in each chamber.
Definitely search for machinable plastics, that might also speed up your milling time a bit. Ultimately, the speed of the mill head is going to limit your net pass speed. Think of how fast you run a mill with a 4mm drill bit when cutting holes into steel. That is probably faster than the router you are using?
I would say that those final results are 😎 tray bien.
Adam West, I would have to agree it’s justifiable.
So, you bought the machine to make them. But your not gonna make them bc it takes too long??
Partly right. I bought the machine for a variety of projects I want to do, the pinning trays were just one of them. As it turned out, it took too long to make them economically out of corian, so I'm not doing any more of them.
Would you take custom orders for these?
Maybe you could giveaway some of the rejects. I'm sure some guys here won't mind.
Too late, I used the rejects for wasteboard material.🙁