Great tuition vid Gary, a couple of things that I have been taught over the years: If securing to a brick or block wall, use the correct pin plugs instead of roofing tacks etc, it makes for a better fixing, Thorsmann used to do them, Schneider now make them. 55PP1 I think is the part number for the plugs, they are small grey things. If securing horizontally, I was always taught to clip with the nail on the underside of the cable as the nail helps support the cable to a better degree.
Funny how I still do it that way after 30 odd years. I’ve always believed if your tort well by a good teacher then you’ll never forget all the skills you were tort. You may not use all of them in the real world but they can come in handy sometimes . Fantastic video Gaz as always 👍👍👍👍❤️
One of the skills I have always remembered is to get the correct internal radius when bending TW&E, say along the top of the wall then down to a switch use a 4 gang JB one of those horrible brown things Keep the cable flat and Bend it round the JB to get a nice clean 90d bend . Top tip
The obvious question to ask then, those cables are going into bare walls, so are you going to plaster over the top of them or are they going to be free to view? Thanks
Nice 1 gaz I was taught to put your first clip in the a second next to the first but nail on other side then dress your cable makes it almost impossible to pull out always seems to be the case inside a stud partition when u really need to move a cable 🤯👏
Hi Gary. 30+ years ago I was doing clipping. Then as mandatory was 230mm which was my hammer length. I still clip. The only time I'm might be fussy about even spacing is if the fixings were exposed to public view.
When doing 2 plate, you usually have three cables. A 6 or 10mm clip will hold all three cables.* Also, mark 300mm on your hammer, then use that as a guide. *as other have said, it’s not best practice, don’t do it on your AM2!
@@posei3960 You can/could get cable clips that take 2 cables by design but they ate mostly not stocked at wholesalers as not requested for, that's why 6 or 10mm clips are used.
@@posei3960 what reg number is that? I could be wrong but I don’t recall it. If they’re flat and secured, I can’t see how it will make any real difference. If you’re bundling loads of cables and they’re not flat, it’ll affect their rating.
Not easy to do this when stuck in a dormer crawl space or small loft with limted room on a blazing hot day and it's like a furnace where youre working whilst carefully stepping on roof joists without putting your foot through the ceiling below and trying to clip new and often retained chunky stiff wiring. Sometimes you just have to do wha'ts best. As long as there's no sharp 90 degree bends or kinks, or cables bunched together which could overheat you're generally OK. Just bang your clips in spaced at hammer length with the cable eyed in as flat and straight as possible as you go along. Metal clips need a bit more care compared to the plastic ones as they have a tendency to squish.
@@GSHElectrical Totally agree and sets you up to take pride and care in the future when on site where you develop with experience and practice an eye for straight runs and clip spacings.
Great to see it done right. However, nowadays out in the real world if you was on site doing all that messing around especially if the cables were being covered over you’d be pulled in and shown the door. I have lost count the number of times ive seen people come out of college ending up on site adapting their skills and quickly get shot down with “we haven’t got all day to tit around with all that nonsense….get them in and move on”
Great tuition vid Gary, a couple of things that I have been taught over the years:
If securing to a brick or block wall, use the correct pin plugs instead of roofing tacks etc, it makes for a better fixing, Thorsmann used to do them, Schneider now make them. 55PP1 I think is the part number for the plugs, they are small grey things.
If securing horizontally, I was always taught to clip with the nail on the underside of the cable as the nail helps support the cable to a better degree.
Thanks for taking the time to add your input and experiences 👍🏻
Funny how I still do it that way after 30 odd years. I’ve always believed if your tort well by a good teacher then you’ll never forget all the skills you were tort. You may not use all of them in the real world but they can come in handy sometimes .
Fantastic video Gaz as always 👍👍👍👍❤️
Can’t say that about your English teacher though 😂
@@faisalhussain589 His tort well by his teacher.
NIce Gaz!! Basics are so important and often overlooked!
Thanks for the support
Great video Gaz, when the clipping of a cables is done perfectly like in Ur video it really is an art form. 👍
Thanks for the great comment
One of the skills I have always remembered is to get the correct internal radius when bending TW&E, say along the top of the wall then down to a switch use a 4 gang JB one of those horrible brown things
Keep the cable flat and Bend it round the JB to get a nice clean 90d bend . Top tip
How to Put a Smooth Bend in Twin and Earth Cable th-cam.com/video/ivv6KJRA6yE/w-d-xo.html
What is the Minimum Internal Bending Radius for Cable Used in Fixed Wiring According to BS7671 th-cam.com/video/-p9a2otGWj0/w-d-xo.html
Nice work on a wooden board. Can we see how you do it on hard brickwork with hard mortar please?
F***ing easy
@@macmcc4651 yeh right.
The obvious question to ask then, those cables are going into bare walls, so are you going to plaster over the top of them or are they going to be free to view?
Thanks
Well shown and explained 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thanks 👍🏻
Nice 1 gaz I was taught to put your first clip in the a second next to the first but nail on other side then dress your cable makes it almost impossible to pull out always seems to be the case inside a stud partition when u really need to move a cable 🤯👏
Thanks for adding you thoughts and watching 👍🏻
Hi Gary. 30+ years ago I was doing clipping. Then as mandatory was 230mm which was my hammer length. I still clip.
The only time I'm might be fussy about even spacing is if the fixings were exposed to public view.
All the clipping in college setting is on display
yep I just a Eastwing “Hammesure” had it 20 plus years still works just fine ..😂
Lovely, tidy job! - A laser level would aid (and speed up) the alignment process no end.
Sadly we don’t have them in college so it’s old school for us 👍🏻
Is that the Wiha electricians hammer?
Yes 👍🏻
When doing 2 plate, you usually have three cables. A 6 or 10mm clip will hold all three cables.*
Also, mark 300mm on your hammer, then use that as a guide.
*as other have said, it’s not best practice, don’t do it on your AM2!
Using one clip,for multiple cables contravenes the regs UNLESS it is designed to be used like that
@@posei3960 You can/could get cable clips that take 2 cables by design but they ate mostly not stocked at wholesalers as not requested for, that's why 6 or 10mm clips are used.
@@posei3960 what reg number is that? I could be wrong but I don’t recall it. If they’re flat and secured, I can’t see how it will make any real difference. If you’re bundling loads of cables and they’re not flat, it’ll affect their rating.
@@anthonybragg maybe it’s the clips I use. The 10mm’s I use will fit 3 1mm’s flat. 6mm clip will fit 2.
By the time you've clipped the cable Gaz Gordon is still waiting for the thrillwaukee clips 😂😂😂⌚⌚⌚
Old school Gaz
@@GSHElectrical i wouldn't say old but mature like a fine wine or cheese 🍷🍷🍷😜😜😜
Nice one Gary... "Cable pincers "... they are Carpenter's pincers.. lol
Quite possibly I’ve had them years 👍🏻
Carpenters pincers are very useful when pulling out old cut nails when taking up floorboards. Better than a claw hammer or nail bar.
Not easy to do this when stuck in a dormer crawl space or small loft with limted room on a blazing hot day and it's like a furnace where youre working whilst carefully stepping on roof joists without putting your foot through the ceiling below and trying to clip new and often retained chunky stiff wiring. Sometimes you just have to do wha'ts best. As long as there's no sharp 90 degree bends or kinks, or cables bunched together which could overheat you're generally OK. Just bang your clips in spaced at hammer length with the cable eyed in as flat and straight as possible as you go along. Metal clips need a bit more care compared to the plastic ones as they have a tendency to squish.
Totally agree but when your training it has to be perfect 👍🏻
@@GSHElectrical Totally agree and sets you up to take pride and care in the future when on site where you develop with experience and practice an eye for straight runs and clip spacings.
3:58 Confused by those two doorways on the left... The blocked up one has a lintel and the open one doesn't!... lol
Is unbumping actualy a word?
It is now 🤔😆👍🏻
But engineer s we normally work with time how can I repeat to do all such things on the site
This is training 🦾
@@GSHElectrical ok
No electrician on price work would spend this amount of time flattening a cable and positioning clips like this. Never. Ever
Great to see it done right. However, nowadays out in the real world if you was on site doing all that messing around especially if the cables were being covered over you’d be pulled in and shown the door.
I have lost count the number of times ive seen people come out of college ending up on site adapting their skills and quickly get shot down with “we haven’t got all day to tit around with all that nonsense….get them in and move on”
Remember this is training site work is different but massive thanks for your thoughts and watching 👍🏻
And this may be why a lot of new builds are so shockingly Shite!?
seems a lot of messing about. Do this on site and you won't get much work done. Usually eyeball it on site as long as it looks ok.
Remember this is training and if it’s on display in my workshop it needs to look like this… other college my have a lower standard but not me 👍🏻
last clip is a bit too close to the box, I would put it 50mm from edge of box
Hard mortar is bloody pain 😏🙄
Remember we are training 👍🏻 maybe I need a follow up video 🤔. Massive thanks for watching and commenting Gaz
@@GSHElectrical I'd love to do a C&G course at your College/Training centre Gaz 😬
Really? Always work away from the box.
Like professional ?
If you aren’t professional you don’t do that
It’s just a title