All About M1 Garand Bayonets
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- An explanation of the different types of bayonets that were used on the M1 Garand.
Picture and information sources:
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Great nostalgia. Thank you very much. My Dad gave me a M1923 cartridge belt, bayonet, and canteen in about 1949 that he got at surplus store.
He also gave us[brother] the leather covered .45 holsters. Of course, I cut the flap off and used it for a fast draw.
Anyhow, the belt and all gear was stolen in about 1990. Since then I bought an M1 Garand ['43] in Annison, Al. and enjoy shooting it very much. Sure wish I had the bayonet. Thanks again.
Glad you liked the video. That’s a shame that gear was stolen! I also got my Garand from the CMP in Anniston. Looks super cool with the bayonet attached.
Hope y'all enjoyed this one and are staying safe and healthy!
If I was surviving in resident evil village I would modify that Bayonet to fit on the end of a Ak74m it would be double edge and razor sharp
I have, according to this video, a converted cut down 1905 because the blood groove goes all the way to the tip of the blade. On one side of the ricasso is has the UC for Utica Cutlery with the US bomb logo and a date of 1943. But on the other side of the ricasso all it has is a partial ordinance wheel logo. I’m wondering what that means. Any insight/help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for this informational video. I just received a UFH dated 1942. In the process of cleaning it up now. Thank you again
Just bought my first M1 bayonet last week. An Oneida 1943 cut down. Couldn't pass it up for the price, and so happy I could have a harder to find manufacturer like Oneida for my first one! It found its home on the end of my Garand!
My M1 Garand bayonet contains SA stamped with 1918 date on front ricasso. Other side (or back of ricasso) contains US, serial number and U.C.-MOD. I believe that is a cut down version modified by UC. Your video provides good information about this bayonet and help me to understand the background of it. Thank you :)
We used to have a bayonet from World War 2 since my dad was a WW2 veteran serving under the United States Armed Forces of the Far East (USAFFE) and Armed Forces West Pacific (AFWESPAC) in the Philippines. I didn't pay much attention to what was written on it but what I could remember was the year of manufacture which is 1942. When I was younger me and my dad went to Rizal Park in Manila and there were cadets parading by. My dad told me, "Do you see the difference between my bayonet and the cadet's new bayonets? You'll notice that my bayonet is not as shiny with mirror like finish like those of the cadet's new bayonet"... So I asked why is that? Then my dad told me: "It was shiny like mirror when the bayonets were issued to us fresh from the factory. In fact, it's one of the army's strict requirements to polish and make your bayonet as shiny as possible with mirror like finish for the parades. During the war, I used my bayonet in battles and many hand to hand combat where I killed a lot of Japanese soldiers with it and since then I could not make it shine like before." My dad said. "The best I could do is to give it brushed aluminum-like finish without any luster or mirror like appearance." And he was right, as I also tried to make it shiny by using Carborundum sharpening stone and very fine sandpapers but failed.
I just watched you video, and was very informed, thank you for the history of this bayonet and its life, very good and I learned a lot. God bless & take care
My M1 bayonet is the 1942 long blade but my father carried a short bayonet in Patton’s Third Army
Neat! I’ve been looking for a WW2 dated 1905 for a while now. Really like the way they look on the M1.
Please thank him for his service for me!
@@MilitariaReviewed I had one of those 16" bayonets, but I sold it awhile ago. Those things must have been very unwieldy though. On the rifle, it adds a lot of weight to the front end. And you need a lot of room to be able to maneuver with that long thing. In any close-quarter situation, I would think it a disadvantage. The 10" seems a lot more practical.
I want to sale my 1942 m1 bayonet its from my grandfather
@@BruceK10032 Most M1905's that survived the cut were held by soldiers in the Pacific to better counter the Japanese Arisaka sword bayonets
Fantastic channel. Thankyou very much for your knowledge
Just found your channel, and I love it the 1st second i watched!!!!!😁
Glad you like channel!
Just as a quick little addition. I have a 1943 AFH with 2 unique variants. 1) It is a cut down version of a 1905. The fuller goes all the way to the point (as you describe) and there is No other stamp on it other than the UC stamp on the catch. I "assume" the bayonet was produced in early 1943, not placed in circulation and then reground to conform to the March 4, 1943 Army Ordinance requirements. 2) ALSO it does not have a Bakelite grip. It has the "red grip" produced by CPP: Columbus Plastic Products, Columbus, Ohio. Columbus Plastic CPP made two types of the red CAB grips, the earlier plain type and the second with a re-enforcement plate in the left grip in the area of the screw hole when the first type proved to be prone to cracking in that area. I have the second version with the re-enforcement plate. Another collectible item - the grips and bayonet was 1 of about 100,000 produced by AFH. The red grip Cellulose Acetate Butyrate (commonly called CAB) was allowed as an alternative material to Bakelite. After some time in field use, it was reported that CAB was not resistant to the solvents used to de-grease the bayonets in the field and would dissolve the grips. About 100,000 CAB grips were manufactured before they were discontinued due to this problem in April 1943. From available evidence, it appears that most of these grips were used by AFH, So the bayonet I have survived thru time from early 1943 and now fits perfectly on my M1 Garand. All of this information can be found on Gary Cunningham's web page "bayonet points #23". Sorry for the long reply. Great video.
Wow well done amazing video!!!!!!
Thank you for this amazing video sir
Great information, thanks.
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Glad you liked it!
Awesome video thanks
Thank you very clear very precise information
Thank you for the education!
Nice video greetings from germany
Very nice video
Militaria howdy.. My M1 bayonet looks like a cut down one buy when taken apart the grips just have a numbered code in there. It just might be a repo from some were. Thanks for all that info it was great ! I just might start a M1 bayonet collection after seeing your video. I subed ya too
I have an M1905E1 in my collection that has a different sort of grip. It's made of dark brown, smoothly finished plastic. The blade is stamped PAL on one side, with the U [bomb] S and a 1942 date.
Enjoyed this.
Awesome IM fixing to go to a gun show that is great info thank you very much.
u know wut. I'll subscribe. this was a good vid
Glad you liked it thanks for the sub!
Thank you for your help
Could you make a video about the short manchette now called the woodsmans pal? It was issued to people who fought in the jungle as I understand.
My great grandfather had this in ww2 and is missing a hand guard on the right. It took me so long to find info on this baynet
I have a M1 that is unstamped on the blade and catch, with Auburn Button Works stamps on the grips, with a seral number and stamp on the guard. It was listed on eBay as possibly being used in testing, is there anywhere I can find more information on it?
So with my bayonet its stamped 1943 on it. My grandpa's brother threw it at a tree when they were little, and it bent the gaurd ALOT. plus the button and spring as missing with the handle broken. Then the metal that holds the handle covers in place thats under where the button goes is snapped clean. And my friend Militaria, how do i fix this?
Do you buy this kind og bayonets ahf us i have one from philippines
Okay Okay, let’s admit it how does he not have 100mil subs by now.
Thanks lol. Maybe someday
Thanks !
Great video! One bit of info not mentioned here that could be useful to anyone who inherited one of these or picked it up somewhere--the dull darkish gray is the original parkerized finish and should not polished off to make it shiny and bright.
Good advice!
mine was unfortunataly polished off by the time my uncle gave it to me
Absolutely. I have heard on multiple occasions (though I can only repet what I heard and not pass as gospel) that troops would often hold their bayonet over (not directly in) a fire so the soot would darken the blade. The only shiny Garand bayonet (as far as I know) is rhe one purposely polished for drill/parades. I believe the scabbard were painted cream/white as well.
there is no such thing as to much bayonet info thanks!
I ahve a bayonet marked 1909 us on one side on the othe ris a s awith a looking flower below it can you tell me what it is
What is the belt that this scabbard is attached to?
Will the M1 and Converted work with a Garand with a ported gas plug? The website I was looking at said you can’t use a bayonet as they won’t be secure due to the gas plug, buy it looks like the M5/M5A1 are the only ones that would have the issue.
As long as you are using an M1 you should be good. Those don’t have any interaction with the gas plug. I believe there are also some aftermarket gas plugs that vent off excess gas and I wouldn’t recommend using a bayonet with those as it would probably damage the bayonet over time. The M5 has a small stud that fits into the hole on the gas plug. I am assuming they do not work with ported plugs because the diameter of the hole is different than originals.
I have an M1 bayonet with M7 scabbard. They were a package deal with the M1 rifle I bought 3 years ago. My bayonet was made during WWII by Oneida Limited (OL). OL produced the fewest number (250,000) of bayonets of all the manufacturers during the war so I am very happy to have it. Both items have their original finish AND the bayonet was never sharpened. I also have an M5 bayonet that needs a good bit of rust removed, but the price was right - free.
Your Oneida M1 sounds quite nice, that manufacturer can definitely be tricky to find. Personally, sharpened bayonets are the bane of my existence. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen what looks to be a good bayonet only to remove it from the scabbard and discover someone butchered the blade with a grinder. Some folks seem to not mind sharpening but I personally don’t purchase bayonets that have had this done, no matter how ardently the seller claims it was done “in the field.” Good luck with the rust removal on your M5, if you need any tips let me know. Free is the best kind of cheap!
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@@MilitariaReviewed The German manuals forbade the sharpening of bayonet blades saying the unsharpened blade made a jagged cut where the sharpend blade made a clean easier to repair cut .
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Any ideas why my AFH M1 bayonet does not have a date stamped on the tang? I have 2 of these.
After early 1943, the requirement for a date stamp was eliminated. Your AFH M1 could be from late 1943-1945.
I also have an M1 Garand bayonet. Marked AFH, without year number. There is an AB 06 marking inside the handle shell.
The video features AB P5.
Do you think that makes any difference?
Or maybe it can be a reproduction?
The “AB” represents Auburn Button Works, one of the companies who made the grips scales. The letters and numbers underneath it (O6, P5) are mold or lot numbers. Because of that there are many possible combinations for the letter and number. Yours is original, just made in a different mold or part of a different lot than mine.
The shiny bayos the cadets displayed were most likely nickel or chrome plated.
How do you use the wire thing on the top? Can you attach it to a belt?
Yes, they would slip through the grommets on the M1923 cartridge belt. old.thecmp.org/training-tech/armorers-corner/garand-cartridge-belts/
I have an AFH cut down version. Sounds a bit strange but the blade must have been coated in some kind of protective gease, it smells great, what is it.
Most likely cosmoline! It's a preservative grease used by the military! You can still buy it!
I have an AF&H short. It has a European type flaming bomb between the U S below the A F H that has been partially ground off. It was also missing the catch and button. My question is, where can I get an issued catch, button and sheath ? Thanks for the help!
I checked all of the places I normally look for small items like that but couldn’t find any. You’ll need the catch piece and the little spring that goes under it. Seems like loose parts like that are hard to come by. I did find one site that has “repair kits” but all the parts are repros and they don’t sell the catch individually. Might want to keep an eye on gunbroker. If your interested in the repro parts search “sarco inc M1 repair kit.” I would give you a link but TH-cam is weird about links to gun websites.
Ebay, (sigh).
Numrich, Sarco, Liberty Tree Collectors, Gunbroker, or Flea-Bay. If you go with Ebay, just make sure you're not getting a reproduction part (unless that doesn't matter to you).
I have a question. On the scabbard, what is the metal clamp/swivel thing used for?
The swiveling wire hanger is for attaching the scabbard to the cartridge belt. The belts have evenly spaced grommets that the wire is passed through.
@@MilitariaReviewed ah makes sense. Thank you for the reply
When I bought my M1 it came with a bayonet. It seemed a bit odd to me. After watching your video I would assume it is a cut down bayonet. But it has no markings or stamps. The scabbard is considerably different from those in the video. It has a canvas extension behind the bayonet handle. It is stamped “USM8A1”.
The M8A1 scabbard was used on a number of different bayonets including the M4 for the M1 carbine and the post-war M5 for the Garand. Are you sure the bayonet inside it isn’t an M5 like this: www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=984&idcategory=30
@@MilitariaReviewed It is the older version of the handle.
Here can you send a photo of it to the email in my channel description?
Your bayonet was an M1, but later modified by the S. Koreans by grinding down the length and thickness of the blade to fit in the USM8A1 scabbard (which was also used for the M3 knife and M4/M5/M6/M7 bayonets).
How much now..the old bayonet 1943. becouse i have,,im from philippines,,,
There is only one Pal that you will ever need!
My brother and i found one of these stuck in the rafters of the basememt of my grandparents house.
I have a question. Can the m1917 bayonet be installed on the m1 garand
No, the M1917 bayonets fit the M1917 "Enfield" rifle and many trench shotguns of WW1.
I'm looking for an M1 Bayonet for my 1944 Springfield M1 Garand. I'd appreciate any feedback.
Go on ebay!
Question my grandfather has a grand bayonet it’s 10 inches and the deeper line stops a little over an inch through ,my question is why is the blade black?
To camouflage it, so sunlight (or any other light) glinting off the metal does not give away your position. Also, in a hand-to-hand fight with bayonets, you don't want the other guy to be able to easily follow the movement of your blade with his eyes. In combat, visibility is not desirable.
Oh that’s cool thank you
The black coloring is parkerizing! It prevents rust! The M1 rifle is parkerized as well! The color can vary from different colors of Grey to black and brown!
Nice explanation, but now I'm in a quandary. I just bought a bayonet in Seoul, South Korea. Here's the description:
Blade precisely 14 inches long; bomb icon and date stamp near blade hilt, which seems to be 1942 (only the '42' is clear) U.S on reverse; scabbard has U.S. bomb symbol on metal frog (I think that's what it's called) and below on the scabbard proper are the letters L.O. (not O.L.). On removing the bakelite grips I found no markings anywhere at all. From what I've seen so far it's definitely an M1, but it seems a bit unusual. Anyone have any further info or suggestions? Probably surplus to the Korean War, but that's speculation. I bought it off a street vendor selling all kinds of metal antiques.
If you would like you can send some photos of your bayonet to the email in my channel description. It can be difficult to decipher markings based on descriptions alone. I’d be glad to help you out.
What type of steel is it the blade , and what is the rockwell hardness ?
WD-1080 was one of the most commonly used steels for the M1. Here’s a link with more info and some data about hardness. apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADB962843.pdf
@@MilitariaReviewed TY . I googled what the blades were made of and I couldn't find anything .
Great video!I have talked with you 6 months ago about my Garand M1 Bayonet made by American Fork and Hoe.
Now i have a Garand M1 Bayonet made by Utica Cutlery and cut down by American Fork and Hoe.its dated 1942.
I also have m7 from imperial..m6 from Milpar..M9 ontario knife company.i love American bayonets.But i also have Swiss 1918..Swiss stgw 57..2 brazilian mauser M1908 made by Weyersberg kirschbaum Cie..i have the type 68 for the North korean AKM..i have many AKM and AK47 bayonets from different countrys..i have the French MAS 58 bayonet..i have Spanish M1941 Bolo Bayonet..i have the Spanish Cetme L bayonet.
The Cetme C bayonet..Italian M4..
I have Russian..German NVA bayonets in different types..Romania..Bulgaria..yougoslavia..Polen..
I have now so a beautyful collection..i wanted i could show you pictures!
But my most favorites are my USA bayonets.
The past 6 or 7 months i have collect so many knowledge about bayonets..Its so adictive.
I rember you gived me information about my Garand M1 Bayonet from American Fork and Hoe..and now i have a collection of 29 bayonets.
Thanks for your help and for your video!
You have Facebook?
Because there are many great groups about bayonets.
Take care and keep up the good work!!
Wow, it sounds like you have built quite the collection! It is definitely an addicting hobby, once you buy one you find many more that you want! Glad my video helped you to become interested in bayonets, getting others interested in militaria was my goal when I started this channel. I have a Facebook account but I don't use it very much. I will check out some of those groups sometime. Thanks for updating me on your collection!
I have an m1 garand bayonets like that you show on your video
Any mention of the Greek made ones? I have one but didn't see any info on it in this video.
I only covered the American variations in this video. Do you want a link with some info on the Greek ones?
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I have an M5 bayonet with a broken actually the handle is missing... anyone have ideas where I can find a handle for this???
Sarco, Ebay, Amazon (reproduction scales), or Numrich. But I think Numrich is currently sold out. Sarco gets theirs from CMP, so they are original.
@@gierhedd75 okay thank you...
Very good and accurate description of the M1905 and M1/ Modified M1905 bayonets. A caveat about reproductions and those who try and pass them as authentic is needed. You should have stated your sources, Gary Cunningham and Mike Popernack.
Thanks for the compliment. I always include my sources in the video description.
Brother.... come on.
Battlefield V Bayonet M1 Garand :D
Nice video..my bayonet is stamped..
AFH
U..then the flaming bomb..S
But not 1943.
I know in 1943 AFH stopped with the 1943 stamps.
So..mine is made between 1943 and 1945...or between 1943 and 1953?
Your bayonet would have been produced from 43-45. Utica cutlery is the only manufacturer who received contracts for the M1 after the war. They produced an additional 75k in 1953.
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So many thanks for this information..
Thanks!!
No problem! Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Thanks!
And you have a new subscrible..
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Do you knows what kind or steel AFH used?
I have this
If there is no modification stamp on blade, is it fake?
mine is, only "U.S" on front and other side 1942 under the burning bomb(?) marking .
Does your bayonet not have any kind of manufacturer stamp on it at all?
@@MilitariaReviewed not at all..
That’s strange. If you would like to send a picture of it to the email in my channel bio I can see if I can help you out a bit more with it. Sounds like it might be some sort of replica but most of those I have seen are stamped with historical manufacturers.
@@MilitariaReviewed send now ! maybe erased and someone remarked badly? i dunno haha
Thanks. Now I know what bayonet I have. I just don't know who painted the scabbard metallic gold!
It is interesting how some items have been "modified" postwar. Could have been done by a VFW Post or a kid who wanted to customize dad's old bayonet!
Steve, from Steve's Scabbard Sprayers, between 6th and 7th on State Street, in Springfield.
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will it work with a kar98k?
No. They have their own dedicated bayonet.
My M1 basinet scabbard looks to have a legtie hole drilled on the back but, not on the front of scabbard?
Drain hole to let water out
I found this video because I bought one but couldn't figure out how to remove it. I realized mine didn't come with a release button
I’ve seen some “repair kits” for sale that include replicas of the parts you need. You could also keep an eye on eBay and see if any spares pop up for sale. You’ll need the catch and little spring that goes under it.
Bayonet is bayonet. Stabby stab no more jerry.
I have one american bionets
Этим ножом был медленно убит/заколот рядовой Мелиш.
😢 Tragic scene.
Love your video, Just one thing, your pronunciation of the “M1 Garand” is improper, we can’t rewrite history to undo a historical faux pas…There was no way that the 1940’s US Army was ever going to get 11 million new recruits from every walk of life (and school grade level) to pronounce the name “Garand” any other way then “Grand” and they chose the simpler pronunciation. While Mr. Garand’s name is Garand the army pronounces the “rifles” name as “Grand”. Every World War II veteran that I have ever met or worked with (and I’ve met a lot!! I used to volunteer at a very very large military museum) pronounces the rifles name like the “grand” piano, lastly Please TH-cam any World War II M1 Garand official training video and it (the US Army) pronounces the rifles name like the “grand” piano, sorry just can’t un-hear it…
I think John Garand himself actually addressed the pronunciation as well. He basically said he didn't care and that he was comfortable with it being pronounced as gu-rand as well.
But hey. However anyone wants to say it is fine with me. So long as we keep collecting these and preserving history.
wow, even a video on M1 bayonets! interesting how long bayonets have been in use.
Mine possess no markings on the blade does not have a scabbard no markings on the inside mechanism only numbers on the plastic handle pieces right side piece T1YC5613680 left side TY3 5613681