Perhaps the single best demonstration of my Fi in attack mode in recent times was this one incident: I was in Thailand, and while on the sidewalk I saw a white man in his 40s or 50s shouting aggressively at a local woman for wearing a mask. I suffered significantly during the Covid years and hated the restrictions everywhere I went, but his behavior was just WRONG to me. A few minutes into his aggressive tirade, he turns over to me and asked me if I was listening in on their conversation (he had no idea I knew English and probably assumed I was a local). He bet on the fact that Thai culture is known for avoiding confrontation. Almost out of instinct, I yelled back at him, told him to leave her alone and told him the world doesn’t need more people like him. I guess he got a bit scared and walked away, but I was so angry at the time I wanted to push him into the middle of the road and I would not have minded if he got hit by a car or a motorbike. I feel the biggest problem with low or unconscious Fi types that are T types, is that they are often not aware of the fact that they are acting out of their FEELINGS. They will try to justify it, deny it and insist that they are using logic and being rational, but it is so clear to me that they are being emotional and talking in a way because they FEEL rather than THINK that way. Getting them to have that awareness is a pain. As NFs we can do our best to guide them and help them see, but sometimes we have to protect ourselves from their aggressive and dismissive tendencies.
Regarding crying, is brief. Is weird but I can feel a sadness coming up, it's like finally saying "Ah, there it is, this is sadness. I think I want to cry, but I don't know why I would or should". And it's kind of like... if I'm lucky I'll cry. If I'm by myself, it rarely happens, and lasts for a very few minutes. If I'm with someone I trust my life to, then I will cry very briefly, is like a few tears and then it's over. It goes away, even though there's this feeling of wanting to cry more, but it's a need that all by it's own falls to a pit again. Weird thing is, if I'm watching a moving film with family and friends, then I cry and can't help it with a story of bravery, sacrifice, selfless love, but not because something sad happened, but due to a very deep selfless moment. Hope this helps explain a bit how it is ;)
Sharing with you a Patrick Bateman (American Psycho) quote that is very representative of an extreme form of suppressed Fi: "I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days."
Honestly, i dont think entj like to manipulate people.. its cuz i can easily see through ppl who try to manipulate others... so, it disgusts me and i would not manipulate ppl... Fi values authenticity.. that’s one of the main reason.. i think Fe ppl usually manipulate ppl more often but again anyone can be prone to manipulation
Good to hear that you don't, but looking at some entjs in power it seems to be a diff case. Of course it also differs from individual to individual, and I agree any personality type can manipulate in diff ways. Te ways of manipulation are different from Fe ways of manipulation. That's all besides the point tho, as this video is about entjs. I did touch on Fe in other vids. I don't think Fi users are necessarily always authentic and therefore incapable of manipulation. I'd say it is more internal and focuses inwardly rather than how others feel. As we all have different intentions, unhealthy Fi can also manipulate by playing the victim.
I agree with him. I’m an ENTJ and I hate manipulation. I think you are confusing us with Fe users. ENTJs suck at manipulation. I’ve gotten into trouble at work for being brutally blunt, direct and authentic, whereas others (Fe users) will lie in the boss’s face and tell them what they want to hear. An ENTJ will piss you off that you’d hate them for being so damn honest. We don’t tell you what you want to hear we tell you the truth. Fe feeds to your ego. I’d agree that I come across as aggressive, but definitely not manipulative.
My ENFJ is a pro at lying, ass kissing and manipulating. I laugh at him, but that’s something I could never do. I think an ENTJ probably can’t see themselves stooping that low to kiss anyone’s ass or play that silly little game. I’m not in the business of sparing your feelings, you should hear the truth. It’s up to you what you do with the information.
(ENTJ) agree with much of this. The thing is that there's a best (logical) way of doing something. If feelings get in the way, then we may not come to a rational conclusion. BUT I also understand that we need to consider the whole group. It's a tough balance but in the end we want the best outcome.
Lost one of my (INTJ) best friends (ENTJ) because we got into a big argument and I came later to apologize to him but he couldn't find it in himself to forgive me or get past it.
It will depend on what the argument was about. Did it involve that friend personally, where you questioned his intentions or thought you could take advantage of them? That's about the only time I let go of people abruptly as ENTJ.
ENTJs are great at making their hard goals come true as you said but because of chasing those goals they sacrificed other equally important aspects of their life, which they realize they have failed those aspects in the end.
That's true. Also the mental health aspect is often neglected, resulting in consequences years down the road. Tho right now both my personal and career life have not yet stabilized, so I'm like at least they get to cry in their BMW. Lol JK.
I wouldn't say I'm messed up. Just average salary level. Perhaps infps are more struggling in that area. I don't tend to define ppl by salary levels tho.
Especially on translating Fi into anger when it’s uncomfortable... i mean ofc successful ppl has their weaknesses 😊😊😊 despite that, we definitely should develop it..
I've had difficulty with the morals of some of the ESFPs I've known. But ENTJs, they're the Supervisor of INFJs in Socionics, & that is such a tough dynamic. I've experienced it in close quarters (from an Enneagram 1), & suffice to say-- Well, I pursued typology! I read that with a Si blindspot they don't always realize when they've made someone uncomfortable, but I don't know, maybe as INFJs with Si in the 8th spot we're also pretty bad at that?
Yes especially when they are your literal supervisor and have not made effort to improve Fi, it is tough. ENTJs are better for me in a friendship setting when they are more relaxed and less inclined to use Te in a formal, critical way. In the work setting, they are more likely than many other types to zoom in on our flaws, because they can clearly see our weakness with Te. But it does give us insight into our own blindspot and how we can better deal with it in the real world. For the Si blindspot of ENTJs, yes that's an interesting observation. Maybe I will make videos on all our blindspots in the future. Infjs don't value Si but we can use it to some degree so we are still able to take care of basic comfort levels.
Entjs. Hmm. No shortage of ego in that type. Their ego blinds them to their own weaknesses. All I can do is watch from afar. Girlfriend, success isn’t, ultimately based on an idea of success based solely on material wealth, and how many people you crush to get it. It’s what you do with your power, and how you treat human beings on the way. The Entj doesn’t go through a lot of crap to achieve their success - they enjoy schmoozing and networking. They also tend to impose their way onto others, simply because it works for them. They aren’t seeking inner fulfillment, along with external, so they are usually quite satisfied with external fulfillment, which stunts their growth. Their way is a conventional means of achieving a particularly popular idea of success, but it would never feel like success to me and many other types who value a more creative, diverse, principled and wholistic version of success. I find their ways and energy to be more of an irritant and Imposition than something I personally strive for. They can also come across as selfish, and a bit obtuse, as their ego blinds them to what is obvious, to others. I would say “no offense” if I thought these comments would register as offensive to this type but I doubt they would take the time to read it. -INFJ middle aged
Understand that ur comment is in regards to unhealthy versions of entjs, in that sample yes, those issues are especially severe. There are some entj men i knew who, due to their undeveloped Fi (also related to ethics), are capable of great moral transgressions in the workplace such as sexual misconduct and ruthless political games. However, I'd say not all entjs are like that tho, as I've had a firm but supportive entj teacher in the past that I'm grateful to for my exam results.
Based on what u just said, you have a very narrow and closed off understanding of what it is to feel and be an entj. a very low resolution and overly simplified projection of your subjective limited understanding. -entj
@@Mztbtc I was going to say that it reads like a description of popular fictional villains, but I don't disregard that there may be some that are actually like that.
@@NathanLorenzana exactly but i bet she is only judging from a distance and isnt actually close to any entj. she seems to be filling in the holes using her Ni with popular hollywood/comic book stereotypical entj villans/boss as you noticed as well. Rather than using Se (which is her inferior function) to have real life facts and interactions that can back it up
Final thoughts: honestly im just annoyed that an infj is giving us, entj advice on how to be good leaders... i mean infj is quite possibly one of the worst type to be in a leadership position... furthermore, the results speak for itself.. there’s a reason why most billionaires are entj.. while we can give our opinions, we can’t refute reality and facts... however... however, it is true that on some degree, handling the team’s emotional need is very important..
I am giving advice based on my observations of leaders of different personality types, not based on my own leadership experience, as I have mentioned in this vid. You don't have to be a leader yourself to know what makes gd leadership. That's like saying I have to produce films myself to be a film critic. I have from the very beginning acknowledged that entjs are high earning and v successful, never said anything against that. But every one of my video also gives constructive criticism to the type in discussion. Doesn't make sense if I just do a whole vid praising entjs as that's not going to lead to personal growth. Very often we ourselves cannot see our flaws but others can more clearly. Speaking of infj leadership, some of the most successful leaders of the past, like Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, have been typed infj. Some famous film directors are infjs too. They are usually not CEOs but can still be excelling in other forms of leadership. So saying that infjs are quite possibly the worst at leadership isn't exactly fact based.
Umm, I think you have a not logical reason to believe that an Infj couldn’t be a good leader. There is potencial. They have a very good discernment and can look from a broad and more selfless perspective, based in their functions and obviously their mindset and own development. There are different kinds of leaders and we can learn together. Maybe is some believe that is attach with negative feelings that you have. But is important for other people that are struggling with themselves to understand that your mbti doesn't have to limit yourself and even every type could be a leader and have all the potential. They have different things to gave and to experience. -INFP-
The way this comes across to me is biased and stereotyped. Especially the Wall Street example is so worn out, come on. ENTJs also work as social workers and doctors to make thinks better. I can tell you have anxiety of ENTJs or being confronted with ENTJs. It would have been more interessting to listen to you getting into this very anxiety that is projected on ENTJs or through which things are projected on ENTJs. That is sth ENTJs struggle a lot with: getting misunderstood as f.e. "bossy" and making people feel scared and as a result of that having people turning against them. And after all, its just other people having difficulties with their own boundaries and weaknesses. And maybe envy, a lot of times.
There are always both sides to it, and I've had good experiences with ENTJs too...not sure if you watched the whole video because I do have close ENTJ friends who do not act in a stereotypical way! No type is perfect, but stereotypes exist for a reason, wall street eg does exist in real life (for those less in touch with Fi). Of course, ENTJs can also be very caring and protective towards ppl that are important to them.
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Perhaps the single best demonstration of my Fi in attack mode in recent times was this one incident:
I was in Thailand, and while on the sidewalk I saw a white man in his 40s or 50s shouting aggressively at a local woman for wearing a mask. I suffered significantly during the Covid years and hated the restrictions everywhere I went, but his behavior was just WRONG to me.
A few minutes into his aggressive tirade, he turns over to me and asked me if I was listening in on their conversation (he had no idea I knew English and probably assumed I was a local). He bet on the fact that Thai culture is known for avoiding confrontation.
Almost out of instinct, I yelled back at him, told him to leave her alone and told him the world doesn’t need more people like him. I guess he got a bit scared and walked away, but I was so angry at the time I wanted to push him into the middle of the road and I would not have minded if he got hit by a car or a motorbike.
I feel the biggest problem with low or unconscious Fi types that are T types, is that they are often not aware of the fact that they are acting out of their FEELINGS. They will try to justify it, deny it and insist that they are using logic and being rational, but it is so clear to me that they are being emotional and talking in a way because they FEEL rather than THINK that way. Getting them to have that awareness is a pain. As NFs we can do our best to guide them and help them see, but sometimes we have to protect ourselves from their aggressive and dismissive tendencies.
Regarding crying, is brief. Is weird but I can feel a sadness coming up, it's like finally saying "Ah, there it is, this is sadness. I think I want to cry, but I don't know why I would or should". And it's kind of like... if I'm lucky I'll cry. If I'm by myself, it rarely happens, and lasts for a very few minutes. If I'm with someone I trust my life to, then I will cry very briefly, is like a few tears and then it's over. It goes away, even though there's this feeling of wanting to cry more, but it's a need that all by it's own falls to a pit again. Weird thing is, if I'm watching a moving film with family and friends, then I cry and can't help it with a story of bravery, sacrifice, selfless love, but not because something sad happened, but due to a very deep selfless moment. Hope this helps explain a bit how it is ;)
Thanks for sharing your personal experience. :)
Sharing with you a Patrick Bateman (American Psycho) quote that is very representative of an extreme form of suppressed Fi:
"I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days."
Honestly, i dont think entj like to manipulate people.. its cuz i can easily see through ppl who try to manipulate others... so, it disgusts me and i would not manipulate ppl... Fi values authenticity.. that’s one of the main reason.. i think Fe ppl usually manipulate ppl more often but again anyone can be prone to manipulation
Good to hear that you don't, but looking at some entjs in power it seems to be a diff case. Of course it also differs from individual to individual, and I agree any personality type can manipulate in diff ways. Te ways of manipulation are different from Fe ways of manipulation. That's all besides the point tho, as this video is about entjs. I did touch on Fe in other vids. I don't think Fi users are necessarily always authentic and therefore incapable of manipulation. I'd say it is more internal and focuses inwardly rather than how others feel. As we all have different intentions, unhealthy Fi can also manipulate by playing the victim.
I agree with him. I’m an ENTJ and I hate manipulation. I think you are confusing us with Fe users. ENTJs suck at manipulation. I’ve gotten into trouble at work for being brutally blunt, direct and authentic, whereas others (Fe users) will lie in the boss’s face and tell them what they want to hear. An ENTJ will piss you off that you’d hate them for being so damn honest. We don’t tell you what you want to hear we tell you the truth. Fe feeds to your ego. I’d agree that I come across as aggressive, but definitely not manipulative.
My ENFJ is a pro at lying, ass kissing and manipulating. I laugh at him, but that’s something I could never do. I think an ENTJ probably can’t see themselves stooping that low to kiss anyone’s ass or play that silly little game. I’m not in the business of sparing your feelings, you should hear the truth. It’s up to you what you do with the information.
(ENTJ) agree with much of this. The thing is that there's a best (logical) way of doing something. If feelings get in the way, then we may not come to a rational conclusion. BUT I also understand that we need to consider the whole group. It's a tough balance but in the end we want the best outcome.
Yes balance is key and also difficult
My favorite boss was an ENTJ. He had a unique ability to motivate me to do my best work. I hated it, but appreciated it. lol
Fair enough! Yes they can be pretty cool sometimes!
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Lost one of my (INTJ) best friends (ENTJ) because we got into a big argument and I came later to apologize to him but he couldn't find it in himself to forgive me or get past it.
Gd that you made the apology, shows you really valued the friendship, so at least, you did what you could.
It will depend on what the argument was about. Did it involve that friend personally, where you questioned his intentions or thought you could take advantage of them? That's about the only time I let go of people abruptly as ENTJ.
ENTJs are great at making their hard goals come true as you said but because of chasing those goals they sacrificed other equally important aspects of their life, which they realize they have failed those aspects in the end.
That's true. Also the mental health aspect is often neglected, resulting in consequences years down the road. Tho right now both my personal and career life have not yet stabilized, so I'm like at least they get to cry in their BMW. Lol JK.
@@ToriH 🤣🤣
@@ToriH true.. most infj i know are really messed up financially
I wouldn't say I'm messed up. Just average salary level. Perhaps infps are more struggling in that area. I don't tend to define ppl by salary levels tho.
Yeah your take on our Fi is definitely true..
Especially on translating Fi into anger when it’s uncomfortable... i mean ofc successful ppl has their weaknesses 😊😊😊 despite that, we definitely should develop it..
Yes indeed, it will make connecting w ppl much easier.
State your type and your experiences with entjs! What do you like/dislike most about them?
I've had difficulty with the morals of some of the ESFPs I've known. But ENTJs, they're the Supervisor of INFJs in Socionics, & that is such a tough dynamic. I've experienced it in close quarters (from an Enneagram 1), & suffice to say-- Well, I pursued typology!
I read that with a Si blindspot they don't always realize when they've made someone uncomfortable, but I don't know, maybe as INFJs with Si in the 8th spot we're also pretty bad at that?
Yes especially when they are your literal supervisor and have not made effort to improve Fi, it is tough. ENTJs are better for me in a friendship setting when they are more relaxed and less inclined to use Te in a formal, critical way. In the work setting, they are more likely than many other types to zoom in on our flaws, because they can clearly see our weakness with Te. But it does give us insight into our own blindspot and how we can better deal with it in the real world.
For the Si blindspot of ENTJs, yes that's an interesting observation. Maybe I will make videos on all our blindspots in the future. Infjs don't value Si but we can use it to some degree so we are still able to take care of basic comfort levels.
Entjs. Hmm. No shortage of ego in that type. Their ego blinds them to their own weaknesses. All I can do is watch from afar. Girlfriend, success isn’t, ultimately based on an idea of success based solely on material wealth, and how many people you crush to get it. It’s what you do with your power, and how you treat human beings on the way. The Entj doesn’t go through a lot of crap to achieve their success - they enjoy schmoozing and networking. They also tend to impose their way onto others, simply because it works for them. They aren’t seeking inner fulfillment, along with external, so they are usually quite satisfied with external fulfillment, which stunts their growth. Their way is a conventional means of achieving a particularly popular idea of success, but it would never feel like success to me and many other types who value a more creative, diverse, principled and wholistic version of success. I find their ways and energy to be more of an irritant and Imposition than something I personally strive for. They can also come across as selfish, and a bit obtuse, as their ego blinds them to what is obvious, to others. I would say “no offense” if I thought these comments would register as offensive to this type but I doubt they would take the time to read it. -INFJ middle aged
Understand that ur comment is in regards to unhealthy versions of entjs, in that sample yes, those issues are especially severe. There are some entj men i knew who, due to their undeveloped Fi (also related to ethics), are capable of great moral transgressions in the workplace such as sexual misconduct and ruthless political games. However, I'd say not all entjs are like that tho, as I've had a firm but supportive entj teacher in the past that I'm grateful to for my exam results.
Based on what u just said, you have a very narrow and closed off understanding of what it is to feel and be an entj. a very low resolution and overly simplified projection of your subjective limited understanding. -entj
@@Mztbtc hahaha typical
@@Mztbtc I was going to say that it reads like a description of popular fictional villains, but I don't disregard that there may be some that are actually like that.
@@NathanLorenzana exactly but i bet she is only judging from a distance and isnt actually close to any entj. she seems to be filling in the holes using her Ni with popular hollywood/comic book stereotypical entj villans/boss as you noticed as well. Rather than using Se (which is her inferior function) to have real life facts and interactions that can back it up
Final thoughts: honestly im just annoyed that an infj is giving us, entj advice on how to be good leaders... i mean infj is quite possibly one of the worst type to be in a leadership position... furthermore, the results speak for itself.. there’s a reason why most billionaires are entj.. while we can give our opinions, we can’t refute reality and facts... however... however, it is true that on some degree, handling the team’s emotional need is very important..
I am giving advice based on my observations of leaders of different personality types, not based on my own leadership experience, as I have mentioned in this vid. You don't have to be a leader yourself to know what makes gd leadership. That's like saying I have to produce films myself to be a film critic.
I have from the very beginning acknowledged that entjs are high earning and v successful, never said anything against that. But every one of my video also gives constructive criticism to the type in discussion. Doesn't make sense if I just do a whole vid praising entjs as that's not going to lead to personal growth. Very often we ourselves cannot see our flaws but others can more clearly.
Speaking of infj leadership, some of the most successful leaders of the past, like Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, have been typed infj. Some famous film directors are infjs too. They are usually not CEOs but can still be excelling in other forms of leadership. So saying that infjs are quite possibly the worst at leadership isn't exactly fact based.
Her points are valid, that's the bottom line. - ENTJ
@@ToriH yeah youre right... in short, i was just saying Im annoyed but youve got a point
Umm, I think you have a not logical reason to believe that an Infj couldn’t be a good leader. There is potencial. They have a very good discernment and can look from a broad and more selfless perspective, based in their functions and obviously their mindset and own development. There are different kinds of leaders and we can learn together.
Maybe is some believe that is attach with negative feelings that you have. But is important for other people that are struggling with themselves to understand that your mbti doesn't have to limit yourself and even every type could be a leader and have all the potential. They have different things to gave and to experience.
-INFP-
The way this comes across to me is biased and stereotyped. Especially the Wall Street example is so worn out, come on. ENTJs also work as social workers and doctors to make thinks better. I can tell you have anxiety of ENTJs or being confronted with ENTJs. It would have been more interessting to listen to you getting into this very anxiety that is projected on ENTJs or through which things are projected on ENTJs. That is sth ENTJs struggle a lot with: getting misunderstood as f.e. "bossy" and making people feel scared and as a result of that having people turning against them. And after all, its just other people having difficulties with their own boundaries and weaknesses. And maybe envy, a lot of times.
There are always both sides to it, and I've had good experiences with ENTJs too...not sure if you watched the whole video because I do have close ENTJ friends who do not act in a stereotypical way! No type is perfect, but stereotypes exist for a reason, wall street eg does exist in real life (for those less in touch with Fi). Of course, ENTJs can also be very caring and protective towards ppl that are important to them.