omg there that raises more questions than awnsers -zionisme forming isreal? -arab unificatons? -decolonisation? -eastern europian borders? -spread of communisme? -anti semitisme not being demolished aftherwards?
Humanity's dynamics are very confusing in this show. for example, every-time there is an invasion or some sort of alien incursion the military is *nowhere* to be found.
The show hasn't really suggested Earth has any big military influence to throw at an alien invasion to begin with. Wondering where something is that they haven't really suggested exists is kind of weird.
I know, but I feel there should be some semblance of it. The human government isn't stupid. I know they know about the invasion of Earth and they should be developing counter-measures in case it happens again because the Crystal Gems cant always be there to babysit them. Besides, there is all that gem tech laying around. No one has ever used that??
Sir JGN- well... Gem technology doesn’t look like it relies on circuits, electronics or anything similar. From the looks of it, it seems similar to programmable metal, which is something only developed recently in real life and considering there wasn’t any world wars in Steven Universe, I would imagine they would have a tougher time trying to figure out programmable crystals.
To be fair to the Steven Universe crew, the borders on this map are the work of Shaun, not the show themselves. Indeed, as far as I can tell, the show has not once shown *any* borders on *any* map, nor mentioned more than a handful of countries - and the story of the "colonization" of Beach City doesn't match any North American colonization (less than 200 years old, yet founded by a sailing ship load of people from across the sea). Basically, we've gotten a lot of Gem history...not so much human history. So who know's just *how* different things are.
In terms of worldbuilding, I distinctly remember the episode where Jamie cited the place he really wanted to go, to make it big as an actor: KANSAS! It’s funny how it works both as a joke and a bit of worldbuilding, since the creators outside the show did confirm he was speaking the truth. I remember that sentence led to a bunch of interesting theories, suggesting this was perhaps a timeline where the native americans got a better deal from the USA, and/or Manifest Destiny only got so far before stopping in the middle.
I think the actual reason (I don’t have a source I just heard that Rebecca Sugar said it) that it was because Disney never moved out to California and just stayed in Kansas, therefore Hollywood is in Kansas
Sure, in our timeline the Russians aren't known for their naval prowess, but they might be in this one if they were required to. It's like when island nations develop strong navies because they have to. If they had a giant sea to traverse, they'd be more inclined to focus on a navy.
As far as alternate history goes, there are a few clues that European settlement happened differently than it did in the real world, including a very strong hint that the Beach City section of the Delmarva peninsula was "discovered" only 200 years ago. And maybe one character's throw-away line about seeking show-biz stardom in Kansas was a weird joke about him, or it was a low-key assurance that California didn't happen in Steven's universe the same way it happened for us.
@@iamsinistar8971 if we're going to be realistic the gems should be arrested and must be experimented by the us government (or which country is beach city is) for their own. But from what we see, the government isn't involved especially during the diamond attack. So I'm guessing here, is that the UN government is covering up beach city or they are just dumb
@@carlsacel7222 Dude i'm not saying it has to be realistic. I'm just saying it should at least be something that doesn't make humanity look like a bunch of defenceless retards!
I have a feeling that the SU Earth had fewer conflicts because the Crystal Gems (most especially Sapphire with her future vision) would intervene the moment they notice it, and most especially there Gem Monsters still running rampant worldwide.
I really loved the video, it was great to hear you talk about all of this! Sadly it's something that isn't discussed often. However, just a note, we don't know a lot about Steven Universe's alternate Earth. The extent of what we know is that map in the moon base, a few US states, and a bit from the Crewniverse themselves. The artist seems to have lot of artistic liberties with the map. We truly don't know how deep this world building goes, so a lot of what you said about how Human history seems unchanged could very well be completely different.
On the political scale and due to Rebecca saying WWII didn't happen I have been led to assume that in SU's timeline the Central powers were victorious in WWI, but also due to the IRL CP being at a member skill disadvantage (only skillful belligerents being Germany and A-H) I am also led to believe that their members were different, Im putting Germany and A-H the same due to them being essential for the war to happen in the first place, and judging from the giant sea in Russia this means that the Hordes didn't exist, which resulting to the absence of 1) Russians , which if did not exist then the CP could afford to be focused ENTIRELY on the western front, and 2) Turks, Seljuks, Ottos and the bunch Which I'd assume that that results to the Byzantine Empire surviving past it's irl downfall And if the CP won WWI then the dominant ideology in the SU world is imperialism and the dominant goverment type is a monarchy Which would essentialy make the U.S a big modern HRE, with the separate fully autonomous monarchies making up the bigger nation Jus' my theory, but I thought it was worth sharing
Austria-Hungary's status as a competent military power is highly debatable, too. They were crippled by the byzantine web that was their communication and military orders system, not to mention underfunding due to the Hungarians constantly vetoing any expansion of funding of the k.u.k Armee.
For anyone interested in the map, you can click 'download' on the deviantart page for a high-resolution version which is less blurry than you can get by just clicking the image on the page.
There's a show that aired in the UK called the spartical project. It's a show set in a world where everyone above the age of 16 disappeared. It followed a group of kids; it showed the consequences of everyone in the working age vanishing, like no electricity, small gangs forming to raid buildings ,as there are no authorities, cars crashed in the middle of the street as the driver vanished and in the later seasons they actually acknowledge that food would be an issue, so they stay and work off the farm for food. It wasn't a great show, as they had a low budget and your working with child actors around the age of 7. But it's a very interesting concept I wish people talked about the other possible implications in real life.
You know, this alternative universe is the second reason why I love Steven Universe, even if it's not explained well or that it's mostly ignored due to focus ing more on Steven's story, I still wonder how Earth works and want to know more about the human culture and history rather than the gem culture and history. And it still brings many questions such as how can the internet exist if WW2 never existed? If there isn't a WW2 was there a WW1 or world war in this case? and most importantly, what the f**k happened to Russia?
jac of harts ahhh u need too the latest episode that was shown yesterday at comic con and released today will leave I shook if u watch the stuff before it
In the episode "Maximum Capacity" (Season 1, Episode 43), there's a scene where a totem pole made up of the Temple Fusion (a fusion of Rose Quartz, Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl), a corrupted gem known as the "Big Bird" and some other unknown gem is seen at Steven's dad (Greg) basement. This pretty much confirms the ancient worshipping of gems as goddesses or deities.
Russia's existence isn't dependent on the Mongols as Russia already existed. The only change is that Russia would be based in Keiv rather than Moscow as the Mongols wouldn't have broken Keiven Rus.
Ah, a definition video. Those are usually fun...for me and maybe three other people. I'm not sure it's fair to call Steven Universe's worldbuilding flawed because it doesn't focus on the changes in human history. The show focuses much more on the Gems, on Homeworld culture and the Gem war and so on, than it does on anything human. Which brings me to another point--I'm not sure how they could show the audience more earthly worldbuilding in a satisfying way. Just about the only way I can think of would be to put the information on a website or in a book or something. But changing the world too much would mess with symbols, coding, etc too much for too little benefit for the final product. So Mrs. Sugar threw in enough changes to make it clear that the Gems had an impact on history (aside from England having a Garnet accent) and no more. Steven Universe is a crummy alternate history, that much is true. But I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about the show _as a whole,_ or even its worldbuilding as a whole, through that lens.
POD consequences aside, I think that it's not that impossible to imagine that Russians would have sailed the Tunguska Sea. Cossacks were the ones doing OTL eastward expansion in Russia's name - and they had enough experience with marintime technology to raid Constantinople and Turkey at large. By the 1700s, Russia had their own fleet, and even sent their own expeditions to the far east. There is a reason why Bering strait is named as such. But even then, Chinese would probably colonize the area earlier than the Russians. With the absence of the steppe nomads and with vast sea around it, some coastal towns would be estabilished. All in all, this map is just wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously.
It might have been more of a matter of their putting some borders down on paper, and getting them accepted into common western knowledge due to being part of the west, while they maintained more or less no presence there. It wouldn't have been unheard of.
The way the crew explained it, specific holidays from our timeline don’t exist, but “generically similar” ones do. I think it’s so a kids shoe doesn’t have to specify religion, etc.
Coming from an SU fan here Yes, SU is an alternate history show, but it’s not really the focus The main focus is on the gems, what their like and how homeworld functions instead of most of the human characters, it does kinda suck how they almost never explore how the gems actually changed human history itself that much aside from in a few episodes where it’s mainly just stuff like “this state/region is named differently” or “colonization happened way later”. Maybe they should make something like that a spin off but I don’t think it would be too enjoyable. Overall calling SU an alternate history show would be like calling The Hateful Eight a Christmas Movie, a better category for Steven Universe’s genre would overall just be science fantasy
This map is proof that humanity should have put more effort into war procurement as well as research and development. Since the gems thought we were playing too many home games.
The map from Steven Universe came from an Abandon Diamond Base on the Moon that belonged to Pink Diamond. That’s what Earth looked like when she first arrived there to begin her very first colonization. Pink Diamond is supposed to spectate progress on Earth from the Moon Base but later on began to have plans of her own for the planet. The Base was abandoned thousands of years ago and so none of the maps in it’s data had been upgraded at all since it’s been used. Who knows how much of it has changed since then in the show in the alternate world it still could have changed in the show or not
Without watching the video, considering there are pictures of the gems with the equivalent of the founding fathers, and we never had a giant alien war on our planet, ima go with yes.
I feel so silly realizing this now... but at 4:29 Empire City, the Eiffel Tower 😅 I'm thinking maybe the French gave an Eiffel Tower to Empire City as a gift like how France gave the Statue of Liberty to New York in our timeline.
Lets not forget there are floating land masses, ancient temples and other alien tech left by the Gem Colonization strewn all throughout the planet and crazy corrupted gem monsters all over the place. The founder of Beach City had to be rescued from one of these crazy gem monsters while sailing to the land he would eventually colonize.The Gem monsters alone beg question to what kind of iconography and mythos world cultures developed having witnessed these creatures pop up throughout history.
So in this timeline, Connie was originally from an Island? She is from the state of Tamil Nadu which I found her nationality as Indian and with a tamil language on the wiki.
Though one thing I do have a problem with is Russia conquering all the way to the Pacific Ocean. I think one of the reason why Russia conquered Siberia was to protect themselves from Turkic invasion, in the Steven universe universe once they reached the Tunguska sea I think they would have stopped.
To be fair, they only have about 11 minutes (sometimes 22 if it's a special) to explain the world and everything in it. I will never understand why Cartoon Network sticks to this bizarre 11 minute format for most of their shows when stuff like Steven Universe would easily benefit from a 22 minute run time plot and story wise.
Can you do a an alternative history where the Bible is literally true? In particular the flood and how that would effect ancient cultures. Like for example the great pyramids of Egypt were built about 200 years before Bible Scholars claim the flood to take place.
The one big thing is SU history that a lot of people dint talk about is how practically everyone with power or a high paint job in SU is black. I have a feeling Ondia, Africa and Malaysia were much bigger influences on their world.
There is a lot of comments about this video. Anything I will say p-probably has been touched upon. I am a fan of Steven Universe. I can tell you that this map is a fan creation based on rough images. It is true that history has been altered. But to what degree has never been fully explained. It is lovely hearing people discuss this. It doesn't come up enough.
I do feel like the whole reason for the new history of the earth in SU is ultimately caused by the gems themselves, because THINK about it, they were super powered aliens who saw racism and wars happening on earth, of course they had to get involved and changed it. Though I can see how it’s all confusing, but just think the fact that the gems made a change into the planet and met so many different figures in history.
You need to do a movie and Steven Universe future review. And an in depth alternate history about the world. And also spoil the ending and the Rose quartz is Pink Fiamond thing. Please
I say let the paralisms lie, at least in the borders. The assumption that things would have to turn out vastly differently always bugs me. It’s a one in million chance that our world would turn out the way it did in our would, however it’s also a one in a million chance that it would turnout nearly the same on a world with different starting conditions. And therefore are not worth worrying about to me. Further just because the greater details are similar, doesn’t mean the finer details are the same as well.
Surely humans would have been advance in this universe, due to the scattered gem technology, they would study gem technology and reverse engineer it. Also WW2 had to happen in this universe, modern technology would not exist, but some how the Cold War happened in this universe, that might explain why there is mobile phones and laptops in SU, Nukes might exist because of the Cold War but we have no confirmation we might have to ask the creators of SU at Comic Con.
Yes yes it is a different history because humans never explored past earth and we know this because no one except the gems know about what’s on the moon
The limitations of worldbuilding in this series, despite the PoD and geography, is probably due to the fact that the map is most likely just stylised and not meant to be a result of gem activity on Earth. Great video though.
I would also make the following arguments: Spain and Portugal would not exist in this timeline as the Umayyad Caliphate wouldn't have been able to reach Ibera through a nonexistent Strait of Gibraltar, hence no Reconquista. instead the Iberian Penninsula would likely be a balkanised mess of Visigothic nations or some evolution of the culture, Seville would become the new Gibraltar in this timeline due to it covering the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea, this also means the Netherlands either does not exist or is part of the HRE and/or France Depending on exact location, it could also be possible that the Ottoman Empire wouldn't exist either as the Turkic peoples are likely to have originated either in Mongolia or another area of Central Asia that could not be under the Tunguska Sea, without them the Balkans stay independent and the nations of the Kievan Rus are swept by Poland (considering a lack of Genghis Khan already mentioned)
Well Damn then the islamic golden age wouldn't be over , hope they show how things are in the middle east since they are already wipped half of my country algeria in north africa -_-
Shameless plug here! For those interested I'm trying to write a fanfiction on human gem relations starting just before colonization to just after Stevens birth. It's called When The Stars Fell and is a spin off/off shoot of the first fanfiction I made dealing with human gem relations, Old War, New Battles. Both are on fanfiction.net and feed back is always appreciated.
Can you eventually talk about alternate histories in my favorite TV Show Doctor Who and my Name is Matthew John Share 17 years old turning 18 on February 9th 2019.
One slight problem with this map. In historical friction, it's revealed that Beach City was founded two hundred years ago, but the expedition that led to it's founding was nearly halted by the crystal gems, warning that the land they were travelling to wasn't safe for humans. Which means North America at least WASN'T INHABITED BY HUMANS TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO. So the Us wouldn't have existed at this point.
If it has not been suggested to you already I'd be interested in your analysis of the anime/manga/light novel titled "Youjo Senki" aka "Saga of Tanya the Evil". It's an alternate World War I that includes magic and military mages. However the use of magic has limitations with technologically augmented mages primarily being used as an air force. They do the jobs that would normally be done by tactical and reconnaissance aircraft. Other than that the war takes place in an alternate world with stand ins for the countries of our timeline.
I've literally saw my brother watching it yesterday. Is it any good? From what I've seen, it's got some weird stuff in it, like prostetics and 17 year old girls fighting on a front. Is it worth to give it a chance?
I do find the alternate history interesting, although it's not really explored in show. The show mainly focuses on the small town of Beach city and a number of gem ruins. When they do leave town they normally don't talk to anyone, so we don't really know how much the world has changed. Something to be noted is the monsters wondering about the world for the past 5,000 years. They don't breed, so their numbers are locked and slowly going down as they are hunted and bubbled, but there would have to be quite a lot of them for them to still show up as much as they do after all this time. Granted some have shown that they would rather hide then fight. Regarding South America, it does seem likely Africa reached there by island hopping in much the same way the Vikings did to get to North America. However the entire series seems to be viewed from the eyes of Steven, we never see anything he wasn't around to view. Flashbacks are told to him, or in some cases shown. Since he has never been to South America (as far as I can tell) we haven't really seen how cultures have shaped. They have used the warp pads to get around the world. However when they do they don't seem to talk to the local humans.
You talk about alternatehistory.com quite a lot in your videos. Have you checked out the timeline Sand and Steel: The Story of the Modern Middle East? It's quite interesting.
Maybe the Mongols of this timeline became a maritime naval power on par with the Vikings, and that's why Russia now has control over the Eastern Territories, because the Mongols and Russians continued to intermingle.
I'll make an alternate timeline similar to ours. For example..... *1945* WW2: Does happen in Steven Universe. The way I imagine it is, Nazi Germany will be the first to experiment with gem tech. They do power "some" weapons and won most battles against alied states. The Japanese will even try training corrupted gem monsters to track down and destroy US camps and naval ships. Some gem monsters are even traded for gem weapons. Until rose finds out and has to keep every last human from getting hurt by the gem tech ( or hurt themselves by getting attacked by corrupted gems) The result was the little boy & fat man nuke (still earth tech) the axis thought this was gem tech and was completely terrified, especially Rose Quartz (Pink Diamond). In this timeline Rose actually meets Hitler on his last day alive. He tried to have this mysterious large woman blown to bits, only for her to accidentally form into the even larger, more radiant Pink Diamond. Hitler is alured yet horrified as he aims his mp40 at her head. She takes his gun, bends the barrel, then gives it back. The large pink woman looks through the dictator's with intense, burning pink eyes. She then whispers something in his ear that results in his suicide. She goes back as rose, free some holocaust prisoners along the way and truly realized how dangerous yet similar humans really are......... *Cold War* *1948- late 1949* Most gem tech And monsters has been confiscated by alied forces[U.S, England,Russia,ETC] and later experimented with. Soviet Russian scientists will reverse engineer gem weapons and vehicles (thought NOT as advanced due to the conditions of political issues with communism leading up to accidental deaths with lack of understanding) U.S. In the atomic age, A government facility known as AREA 51 also experiment with gem tech tries extensively finding a cure for a handful corrupted gem monsters left in the war in return from Rose and the gems helping out in the war (thought they we're very unsuccessful) *1950-1953* Korean war. Russia supplies North Korea with Gem weapons, vehicles and monsters to invade south. Despite the advanced technology, UN(with the "aid" of the CGs) still battles with NK. Stalin is killed by a escaped corrupted gem after she went through a horrific experiment. Leading to the eventual stand still between North and South Korea. South Korean locals has reported sightings of a 30ft Blue woman in a cloak, kneeling towards a pink palaquin. Over 160 reported missing around that area. *1961* It happened, NASA launches Neil Armstrong to the moon, after Neil places the flag like in our time. He see something that's NOT part of the moon, something alien. He sees Pink Diamond's Base, finds a way in, and takes pictures. He takes pictures of the Diamond murals. Then heads back to earth where Pink Diamond's base and the pictures becomes classified and taken in AREA 51. 2 years later John Fitzgerald Kennedy, US President, Best friend of Rose Quartz has been assassinated. 1986 GEM based tech used to power Chernobyl goes wrong resulting in most of Russia to disappear off the face of the earth. July - December 2018 Skipping to present day.( Single PALE rose - legs from here to homeworld) Due to the The Diamond incident in New Jersey, 260 armed marine are launched in space along with the pink leg ship. Ariving on homeworld, there's waves of gems unlike the ones they've seen on earth.
I love this cartoon and we fans have so many questions, because the show's universe is really huge but we don't get enough information about earth, gems culture, their colonies nor homeworld
If cristianity doesnt exist that means islam neither, and the mitraic cult is the predominant religion on the south of europe and zoroastrism exist on middle east and the north of europe and america are pagans? There is never an arab conquest on middle ages, i know the show doesnt take almost nothing of the historic implications but its fun to think about
I’m mean the creator of the show Rebecca sugar did confirm that this is the universe where World War II didn’t happen
omg there that raises more questions than awnsers
-zionisme forming isreal?
-arab unificatons?
-decolonisation?
-eastern europian borders?
-spread of communisme?
-anti semitisme not being demolished aftherwards?
Legendary Thomas Japanese empire never ending
well maybe there never bought out of isolation to begin with
or just take over the far east
i mean the Balfour Declaration happened in 1917 so Israel still existing isn't impossible.
I think all these commenters about Israel don't get the bigger picture. Judaism probably doesn't exist in this timeline!
Humanity's dynamics are very confusing in this show. for example, every-time there is an invasion or some sort of alien incursion the military is *nowhere* to be found.
The show hasn't really suggested Earth has any big military influence to throw at an alien invasion to begin with. Wondering where something is that they haven't really suggested exists is kind of weird.
I know, but I feel there should be some semblance of it. The human government isn't stupid. I know they know about the invasion of Earth and they should be developing counter-measures in case it happens again because the Crystal Gems cant always be there to babysit them. Besides, there is all that gem tech laying around. No one has ever used that??
Sir JGN- well... Gem technology doesn’t look like it relies on circuits, electronics or anything similar. From the looks of it, it seems similar to programmable metal, which is something only developed recently in real life and considering there wasn’t any world wars in Steven Universe, I would imagine they would have a tougher time trying to figure out programmable crystals.
WW2 didn't happend, so people probably didn't militrialized a lot.
Most of the similar children's tv shows do not show soldiers.
To be fair to the Steven Universe crew, the borders on this map are the work of Shaun, not the show themselves. Indeed, as far as I can tell, the show has not once shown *any* borders on *any* map, nor mentioned more than a handful of countries - and the story of the "colonization" of Beach City doesn't match any North American colonization (less than 200 years old, yet founded by a sailing ship load of people from across the sea).
Basically, we've gotten a lot of Gem history...not so much human history. So who know's just *how* different things are.
In terms of worldbuilding, I distinctly remember the episode where Jamie cited the place he really wanted to go, to make it big as an actor: KANSAS! It’s funny how it works both as a joke and a bit of worldbuilding, since the creators outside the show did confirm he was speaking the truth. I remember that sentence led to a bunch of interesting theories, suggesting this was perhaps a timeline where the native americans got a better deal from the USA, and/or Manifest Destiny only got so far before stopping in the middle.
I think the actual reason (I don’t have a source I just heard that Rebecca Sugar said it) that it was because Disney never moved out to California and just stayed in Kansas, therefore Hollywood is in Kansas
The Mexican American war never happened
Sure, in our timeline the Russians aren't known for their naval prowess, but they might be in this one if they were required to. It's like when island nations develop strong navies because they have to. If they had a giant sea to traverse, they'd be more inclined to focus on a navy.
It might be different in SU, Russia is possibly an naval power in SU
Finnish survived
I think multiple lapis gems did some terraforming already
nah it was just bob
dammit, Bob!
Bob was building some happy little clouds.
As far as alternate history goes, there are a few clues that European settlement happened differently than it did in the real world, including a very strong hint that the Beach City section of the Delmarva peninsula was "discovered" only 200 years ago. And maybe one character's throw-away line about seeking show-biz stardom in Kansas was a weird joke about him, or it was a low-key assurance that California didn't happen in Steven's universe the same way it happened for us.
Steven Universe is a great show, but its human world building is the worst written part of it. Gem world building is sweet though.
I know right? If anything humanity would be on the same tech level as the Command&Conquer games since WW2 never existed.
@@iamsinistar8971 no, you can see that they are different
@@carlsacel7222 But we're not gonna stop having wars just because there's no WW2.
@@iamsinistar8971 if we're going to be realistic the gems should be arrested and must be experimented by the us government (or which country is beach city is) for their own. But from what we see, the government isn't involved especially during the diamond attack. So I'm guessing here, is that the UN government is covering up beach city or they are just dumb
@@carlsacel7222 Dude i'm not saying it has to be realistic. I'm just saying it should at least be something that doesn't make humanity look like a bunch of defenceless retards!
I mean this is a fanmade map. For all we know, the political borders for this world could be ridiculously different.
It’s not though it appeared in the show
@@WaikingDeadStudios No only the physical locations
There weren’t political borders in the official shown maps
I have a feeling that the SU Earth had fewer conflicts because the Crystal Gems (most especially Sapphire with her future vision) would intervene the moment they notice it, and most especially there Gem Monsters still running rampant worldwide.
I really loved the video, it was great to hear you talk about all of this! Sadly it's something that isn't discussed often. However, just a note, we don't know a lot about Steven Universe's alternate Earth. The extent of what we know is that map in the moon base, a few US states, and a bit from the Crewniverse themselves. The artist seems to have lot of artistic liberties with the map. We truly don't know how deep this world building goes, so a lot of what you said about how Human history seems unchanged could very well be completely different.
On the political scale and due to Rebecca saying WWII didn't happen I have been led to assume that in SU's timeline the Central powers were victorious in WWI, but also due to the IRL CP being at a member skill disadvantage (only skillful belligerents being Germany and A-H) I am also led to believe that their members were different, Im putting Germany and A-H the same due to them being essential for the war to happen in the first place, and judging from the giant sea in Russia this means that the Hordes didn't exist, which resulting to the absence of 1) Russians , which if did not exist then the CP could afford to be focused ENTIRELY on the western front, and 2) Turks, Seljuks, Ottos and the bunch
Which I'd assume that that results to the Byzantine Empire surviving past it's irl downfall
And if the CP won WWI then the dominant ideology in the SU world is imperialism and the dominant goverment type is a monarchy
Which would essentialy make the U.S a big modern HRE, with the separate fully autonomous monarchies making up the bigger nation
Jus' my theory, but I thought it was worth sharing
Austria-Hungary's status as a competent military power is highly debatable, too. They were crippled by the byzantine web that was their communication and military orders system, not to mention underfunding due to the Hungarians constantly vetoing any expansion of funding of the k.u.k Armee.
Russia would have existed even without the mongols/hordes existing.
The Central Powers winning WW1 wouldn't make the US a monarchy.
I did not expect this to be a video from you. I'm glad you made this, it's my favourite show!
For anyone interested in the map, you can click 'download' on the deviantart page for a high-resolution version which is less blurry than you can get by just clicking the image on the page.
Its interesting what things are actually confirmed to exist in this world, like Bulgaria and Korea.
Alex Colefield just one, united Korea though
andrew usher It's a map of the world in 1770, Korea's split happened in 1948. Of course they are united.
There's a show that aired in the UK called the spartical project. It's a show set in a world where everyone above the age of 16 disappeared. It followed a group of kids; it showed the consequences of everyone in the working age vanishing, like no electricity, small gangs forming to raid buildings ,as there are no authorities, cars crashed in the middle of the street as the driver vanished and in the later seasons they actually acknowledge that food would be an issue, so they stay and work off the farm for food. It wasn't a great show, as they had a low budget and your working with child actors around the age of 7. But it's a very interesting concept I wish people talked about the other possible implications in real life.
"Flordia island" is metioned by greg in steven universe future, not much but I think thats pretty cool.
You know, this alternative universe is the second reason why I love Steven Universe, even if it's not explained well or that it's mostly ignored due to focus ing more on Steven's story, I still wonder how Earth works and want to know more about the human culture and history rather than the gem culture and history. And it still brings many questions such as how can the internet exist if WW2 never existed? If there isn't a WW2 was there a WW1 or world war in this case? and most importantly, what the f**k happened to Russia?
yarheeguy My best geuss is that's the location of the Sea Spire. Just makes sense to me.
imagine a SU style hitler
yarheeguy maybe that’s where they started to mine for gems and ended up creating a hole which flooded and then built the sea spire there
yarheeguy No Rússia, No Cold War
Russia censored Steven Universe so Steven Universe censored Russia
Plot twist: in this reality, Brazil is a deformed gem with a deformed mass that slowly absorbs parts of earth like the Sahara
I've never seen the show but it seems like atleast a few jungle tribes would start worshipping them.
jac of harts ahhh u need too the latest episode that was shown yesterday at comic con and released today will leave I shook if u watch the stuff before it
not only jungle tribes i think most cultures would have worshipped them
In the episode "Maximum Capacity" (Season 1, Episode 43), there's a scene where a totem pole made up of the Temple Fusion (a fusion of Rose Quartz, Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl), a corrupted gem known as the "Big Bird" and some other unknown gem is seen at Steven's dad (Greg) basement.
This pretty much confirms the ancient worshipping of gems as goddesses or deities.
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Russia's existence isn't dependent on the Mongols as Russia already existed. The only change is that Russia would be based in Keiv rather than Moscow as the Mongols wouldn't have broken Keiven Rus.
David Kelly exactly
Russia: somewhat gone
People: have theories
Memelords: Because they censor the show, she censor Russia
Poiting out that it seems that Brazil didn't bought Acre from Bolivia in this Timeline.
Ah, a definition video. Those are usually fun...for me and maybe three other people.
I'm not sure it's fair to call Steven Universe's worldbuilding flawed because it doesn't focus on the changes in human history. The show focuses much more on the Gems, on Homeworld culture and the Gem war and so on, than it does on anything human. Which brings me to another point--I'm not sure how they could show the audience more earthly worldbuilding in a satisfying way. Just about the only way I can think of would be to put the information on a website or in a book or something. But changing the world too much would mess with symbols, coding, etc too much for too little benefit for the final product. So Mrs. Sugar threw in enough changes to make it clear that the Gems had an impact on history (aside from England having a Garnet accent) and no more.
Steven Universe is a crummy alternate history, that much is true. But I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about the show _as a whole,_ or even its worldbuilding as a whole, through that lens.
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Also exactly its a cartoon for goodness sake. It's supposed to be fictional
"I'm not sure it's fair to call Steven Universe's worldbuilding flawed"
Yes. Yes it is.
Me: Lol wat, Mrs. Sugar? She's not ma--
**remembers her wife**
...whoooops
@@Flowtail lol she doesnt have a wife shes married to ian jq
POD consequences aside, I think that it's not that impossible to imagine that Russians would have sailed the Tunguska Sea. Cossacks were the ones doing OTL eastward expansion in Russia's name - and they had enough experience with marintime technology to raid Constantinople and Turkey at large. By the 1700s, Russia had their own fleet, and even sent their own expeditions to the far east. There is a reason why Bering strait is named as such.
But even then, Chinese would probably colonize the area earlier than the Russians. With the absence of the steppe nomads and with vast sea around it, some coastal towns would be estabilished. All in all, this map is just wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously.
It might have been more of a matter of their putting some borders down on paper, and getting them accepted into common western knowledge due to being part of the west, while they maintained more or less no presence there. It wouldn't have been unheard of.
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From what I hear, one of the art books has a map of Earth as shown in the show.
only on the 3rd season? Oh boy are you in a treat for the next few seasons
Wait a minute. Could the Eiffel Tower have replaced Lady Liberty as the gift from France?
Damn, I didn't realize that the Eiffel Tower, or something similar to it, is in the middle of Empire City.
The way the crew explained it, specific holidays from our timeline don’t exist, but “generically similar” ones do. I think it’s so a kids shoe doesn’t have to specify religion, etc.
"Geography is EVERYTHING!"
Coming from an SU fan here
Yes, SU is an alternate history show, but it’s not really the focus
The main focus is on the gems, what their like and how homeworld functions instead of most of the human characters, it does kinda suck how they almost never explore how the gems actually changed human history itself that much aside from in a few episodes where it’s mainly just stuff like “this state/region is named differently” or “colonization happened way later”. Maybe they should make something like that a spin off but I don’t think it would be too enjoyable.
Overall calling SU an alternate history show would be like calling The Hateful Eight a Christmas Movie, a better category for Steven Universe’s genre would overall just be science fantasy
This map is proof that humanity should have put more effort into war procurement as well as research and development. Since the gems thought we were playing too many home games.
The map from Steven Universe came from an Abandon Diamond Base on the Moon that belonged to Pink Diamond. That’s what Earth looked like when she first arrived there to begin her very first colonization. Pink Diamond is supposed to spectate progress on Earth from the Moon Base but later on began to have plans of her own for the planet. The Base was abandoned thousands of years ago and so none of the maps in it’s data had been upgraded at all since it’s been used. Who knows how much of it has changed since then in the show in the alternate world it still could have changed in the show or not
The map can be found in onion's room in one of the new future episode
Technically, You could consider any fictional work as an alternate histoy.
Without watching the video, considering there are pictures of the gems with the equivalent of the founding fathers, and we never had a giant alien war on our planet, ima go with yes.
I feel so silly realizing this now... but at 4:29 Empire City, the Eiffel Tower 😅 I'm thinking maybe the French gave an Eiffel Tower to Empire City as a gift like how France gave the Statue of Liberty to New York in our timeline.
Lets not forget there are floating land masses, ancient temples and other alien tech left by the Gem Colonization strewn all throughout the planet and crazy corrupted gem monsters all over the place. The founder of Beach City had to be rescued from one of these crazy gem monsters while sailing to the land he would eventually colonize.The Gem monsters alone beg question to what kind of iconography and mythos world cultures developed having witnessed these creatures pop up throughout history.
So in this timeline, Connie was originally from an Island? She is from the state of Tamil Nadu which I found her nationality as Indian and with a tamil language on the wiki.
Though one thing I do have a problem with is Russia conquering all the way to the Pacific Ocean. I think one of the reason why Russia conquered Siberia was to protect themselves from Turkic invasion, in the Steven universe universe once they reached the Tunguska sea I think they would have stopped.
*Attention: Iceland's in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on this map!!! (To the left of the A of Atlantic.)*
To be fair, they only have about 11 minutes (sometimes 22 if it's a special) to explain the world and everything in it. I will never understand why Cartoon Network sticks to this bizarre 11 minute format for most of their shows when stuff like Steven Universe would easily benefit from a 22 minute run time plot and story wise.
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Can you do a an alternative history where the Bible is literally true? In particular the flood and how that would effect ancient cultures. Like for example the great pyramids of Egypt were built about 200 years before Bible Scholars claim the flood to take place.
Beach City is a mix of 4 states: Florida, Massachusetts, Maryland, and Delaware.
The one big thing is SU history that a lot of people dint talk about is how practically everyone with power or a high paint job in SU is black. I have a feeling Ondia, Africa and Malaysia were much bigger influences on their world.
In Steven universe 911 didn't happen.
Didnt they take off russia from the map because russia censored them so they censored Russia
There is a lot of comments about this video. Anything I will say p-probably has been touched upon. I am a fan of Steven Universe. I can tell you that this map is a fan creation based on rough images. It is true that history has been altered. But to what degree has never been fully explained. It is lovely hearing people discuss this. It doesn't come up enough.
It is confirmed SU had no wars or religous/myth bases holidays.
But if Steven Universe has Judaism (Rebecca confirmed it exists there) that means Hannekuh exists, and that's a religious holiday right?
I do feel like the whole reason for the new history of the earth in SU is ultimately caused by the gems themselves, because THINK about it, they were super powered aliens who saw racism and wars happening on earth, of course they had to get involved and changed it. Though I can see how it’s all confusing, but just think the fact that the gems made a change into the planet and met so many different figures in history.
I've a spent a bunch of time thinking about this, and I'm glad you did this!
I agree with the plate tectonics theory with regard to South America and Africa (they literally just split differently).
But that’s about it.
You need to do a movie and Steven Universe future review. And an in depth alternate history about the world. And also spoil the ending and the Rose quartz is Pink Fiamond thing. Please
Thanks for adding this awesome video ✌️🏼😎
I say let the paralisms lie, at least in the borders. The assumption that things would have to turn out vastly differently always bugs me. It’s a one in million chance that our world would turn out the way it did in our would, however it’s also a one in a million chance that it would turnout nearly the same on a world with different starting conditions. And therefore are not worth worrying about to me.
Further just because the greater details are similar, doesn’t mean the finer details are the same as well.
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I want the Gem empire defeated! Resist everything they throw at you!
Surely humans would have been advance in this universe, due to the scattered gem technology, they would study gem technology and reverse engineer it. Also WW2 had to happen in this universe, modern technology would not exist, but some how the Cold War happened in this universe, that might explain why there is mobile phones and laptops in SU, Nukes might exist because of the Cold War but we have no confirmation we might have to ask the creators of SU at Comic Con.
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Actually if the technology is to alien or advance we might not be able to. Gem technology seems to be something of both.
The cold war was getting started before WW2 ever got going, the US and USSR never cared much for each other.
Nuclear weapons do exist in the SU, has has been referenced by Steven in one episode, when Connie's family and Steven's family met for a dinner
Well we dont know what year is in SU, maybe is a near future so they created things like the internet but several years later
mario cordeiro really? What ep?
Hmmm. Strange. Why should they chance tue surface of the Earth like this just for a show? I am German and i wonder, why Germany is not on the Map?
Wait... Are Steven Universe's polish borders these from 17th century. I love Rebecca. She knows how to make a pole happy
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They took Russia off the map because Steven universe is was cancelled in Russia almost as soon as it premiered
Russia blocked Steven Universe from being watched so they blocked them off the map LOL
At least we know Korea exist in Steven Universe
Question the "gem war" happened on Earth they said it happen 100 years ago, does that mean it happen during "WW1".
possibly
Hahaha, the quote history channel end quote. That should be their new official name.
Yes yes it is a different history because humans never explored past earth and we know this because no one except the gems know about what’s on the moon
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Well
Russia censored steven so steven censord russia
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The limitations of worldbuilding in this series, despite the PoD and geography, is probably due to the fact that the map is most likely just stylised and not meant to be a result of gem activity on Earth. Great video though.
I would also make the following arguments:
Spain and Portugal would not exist in this timeline as the Umayyad Caliphate wouldn't have been able to reach Ibera through a nonexistent Strait of Gibraltar, hence no Reconquista. instead the Iberian Penninsula would likely be a balkanised mess of Visigothic nations or some evolution of the culture, Seville would become the new Gibraltar in this timeline due to it covering the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea, this also means the Netherlands either does not exist or is part of the HRE and/or France
Depending on exact location, it could also be possible that the Ottoman Empire wouldn't exist either as the Turkic peoples are likely to have originated either in Mongolia or another area of Central Asia that could not be under the Tunguska Sea, without them the Balkans stay independent and the nations of the Kievan Rus are swept by Poland (considering a lack of Genghis Khan already mentioned)
Well Damn then the islamic golden age wouldn't be over , hope they show how things are in the middle east since they are already wipped half of my country algeria in north africa -_-
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For those interested I'm trying to write a fanfiction on human gem relations starting just before colonization to just after Stevens birth. It's called When The Stars Fell and is a spin off/off shoot of the first fanfiction I made dealing with human gem relations, Old War, New Battles. Both are on fanfiction.net and feed back is always appreciated.
can you provide a direct link to your fanfictions please, this sounds so interesting but my dumbass can't find them
so interesting for a TV show
I mean Russia censored Steven universe so Steven universe censored Russia
please do a video on brian boyinton on manifest destiny it is a amazing alternate history.
Can you eventually talk about alternate histories in my favorite TV Show Doctor Who and my Name is Matthew John Share 17 years old turning 18 on February 9th 2019.
One slight problem with this map. In historical friction, it's revealed that Beach City was founded two hundred years ago, but the expedition that led to it's founding was nearly halted by the crystal gems, warning that the land they were travelling to wasn't safe for humans. Which means North America at least WASN'T INHABITED BY HUMANS TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO. So the Us wouldn't have existed at this point.
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Maybe Africa missing a chunk is a recent development, so that why you can still have Ghanans even if their country no long exsists
If it has not been suggested to you already I'd be interested in your analysis of the anime/manga/light novel titled "Youjo Senki" aka "Saga of Tanya the Evil". It's an alternate World War I that includes magic and military mages. However the use of magic has limitations with technologically augmented mages primarily being used as an air force. They do the jobs that would normally be done by tactical and reconnaissance aircraft. Other than that the war takes place in an alternate world with stand ins for the countries of our timeline.
You forgot to mention how there's a join or die snake on their money, or how an airplane in an early episode had a diamond authority symbol on it!
You should definitely look into the Netflix Anime called Violent Evergarden. It takes place in a Alternate post World War 1.
I've literally saw my brother watching it yesterday. Is it any good? From what I've seen, it's got some weird stuff in it, like prostetics and 17 year old girls fighting on a front. Is it worth to give it a chance?
Vitalis It's an emotional rollercoaster. If you're emotional, you will cry.
I do find the alternate history interesting, although it's not really explored in show. The show mainly focuses on the small town of Beach city and a number of gem ruins. When they do leave town they normally don't talk to anyone, so we don't really know how much the world has changed.
Something to be noted is the monsters wondering about the world for the past 5,000 years. They don't breed, so their numbers are locked and slowly going down as they are hunted and bubbled, but there would have to be quite a lot of them for them to still show up as much as they do after all this time. Granted some have shown that they would rather hide then fight.
Regarding South America, it does seem likely Africa reached there by island hopping in much the same way the Vikings did to get to North America. However the entire series seems to be viewed from the eyes of Steven, we never see anything he wasn't around to view. Flashbacks are told to him, or in some cases shown. Since he has never been to South America (as far as I can tell) we haven't really seen how cultures have shaped. They have used the warp pads to get around the world. However when they do they don't seem to talk to the local humans.
You talk about alternatehistory.com quite a lot in your videos. Have you checked out the timeline Sand and Steel: The Story of the Modern Middle East? It's quite interesting.
I thought the only confirmed countries were Korea and “America”.
Ah, man you need to finish up watching the show mate! Season 4 and 5 are pretty damn good.
Russia banned the show, so the show banned russia
Maybe the Mongols of this timeline became a maritime naval power on par with the Vikings, and that's why Russia now has control over the Eastern Territories, because the Mongols and Russians continued to intermingle.
i even had an idea of making a fan conlang for SU
buuut it's quite challenging
since it's unknown if they even need spoken language technically
Does the Ottoman Empire still exist in Steven universe?
I'll make an alternate timeline similar to ours. For example.....
*1945*
WW2: Does happen in Steven Universe. The way I imagine it is, Nazi Germany will be the first to experiment with gem tech. They do power "some" weapons and won most battles against alied states. The Japanese will even try training corrupted gem monsters to track down and destroy US camps and naval ships. Some gem monsters are even traded for gem weapons. Until rose finds out and has to keep every last human from getting hurt by the gem tech ( or hurt themselves by getting attacked by corrupted gems)
The result was the little boy & fat man nuke (still earth tech) the axis thought this was gem tech and was completely terrified, especially Rose Quartz (Pink Diamond). In this timeline Rose actually meets Hitler on his last day alive. He tried to have this mysterious large woman blown to bits, only for her to accidentally form into the even larger, more radiant Pink Diamond. Hitler is alured yet horrified as he aims his mp40 at her head. She takes his gun, bends the barrel, then gives it back. The large pink woman looks through the dictator's with intense, burning pink eyes. She then whispers something in his ear that results in his suicide.
She goes back as rose, free some holocaust prisoners along the way and truly realized how dangerous yet similar humans really are.........
*Cold War*
*1948- late 1949*
Most gem tech And monsters has been confiscated by alied forces[U.S, England,Russia,ETC] and later experimented with.
Soviet Russian scientists will reverse engineer gem weapons and vehicles (thought NOT as advanced due to the conditions of political issues with communism leading up to accidental deaths with lack of understanding)
U.S. In the atomic age, A government facility known as AREA 51 also experiment with gem tech tries extensively finding a cure for a handful corrupted gem monsters left in the war in return from Rose and the gems helping out in the war (thought they we're very unsuccessful)
*1950-1953*
Korean war.
Russia supplies North Korea with Gem weapons, vehicles and monsters to invade south. Despite the advanced technology, UN(with the "aid" of the CGs) still battles with NK. Stalin is killed by a escaped corrupted gem after she went through a horrific experiment. Leading to the eventual stand still between North and South Korea.
South Korean locals has reported sightings of a 30ft Blue woman in a cloak, kneeling towards a pink palaquin. Over 160 reported missing around that area.
*1961*
It happened, NASA launches Neil Armstrong to the moon, after Neil places the flag like in our time. He see something that's NOT part of the moon, something alien. He sees Pink Diamond's Base, finds a way in, and takes pictures. He takes pictures of the Diamond murals. Then heads back to earth where Pink Diamond's base and the pictures becomes classified and taken in AREA 51. 2 years later John Fitzgerald Kennedy, US President, Best friend of Rose Quartz has been assassinated.
1986
GEM based tech used to power Chernobyl goes wrong resulting in most of Russia to disappear off the face of the earth.
July - December 2018
Skipping to present day.( Single PALE rose - legs from here to homeworld)
Due to the The Diamond incident in New Jersey, 260 armed marine are launched in space along with the pink leg ship. Ariving on homeworld, there's waves of gems unlike the ones they've seen on earth.
Rebecca said WWII never happened
Then Germany wouldn't have it's own land back in the first place in Steven Universe's timeline.
Idk if this would help buttt, according to Matt Burnett(former SU writer) WW2 never happened in the SU world
I love this cartoon and we fans have so many questions, because the show's universe is really huge but we don't get enough information about earth, gems culture, their colonies nor homeworld
the piece of africa is not underwater as it might as well be what that extra land mass in sout america is
I really really want to know the history of gems and humans after the war😄😄
duh its an alternate history, there are no gems in our universe
If cristianity doesnt exist that means islam neither, and the mitraic cult is the predominant religion on the south of europe and zoroastrism exist on middle east and the north of europe and america are pagans? There is never an arab conquest on middle ages, i know the show doesnt take almost nothing of the historic implications but its fun to think about
exualy the name america is never said
the only time it is is wen a chakter says an american. wich might refere to the continent.
In an amazing twist, it seems that the gays have censored Russia
If you're only 3 seasons in, chances are you're not spoiling anything
What if the French reconquered the western bank of the Rhine?
DON'T TELL HIM BEFORE HE CATCHES UP!!!
rose lol