Atreus, Odin, and Thor in God Of War: Ragnarok
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2022
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Additional thoughts on Odin, Thor, and especially Atreus. Supplemental video for "How God Of War Ragnarok Was Ruined"
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*"He's supposed to be annoying."*
Then he's supposed to be hated and make the game more annoying. What is there to complain about?
That “whatever” part was deff for you, that was Santa Monica studios sayin “F u and we’re not switching the camera” 😂.. and it’s crazy how u say you might make a video on the things u like about 2018 GOW .. because after playing ragnarok I appreciate 2018 way more I wanted to see a video on your opinions as well @underthemayo
I didn't get the notification
Finally Spotted in my feed
Also: it's really lame and extremely disrespectful that kratos original voice actor (who brought kratos to life and made him memorable to begin with) got the axe and didn't even get notified or thanked for all his years of contributions to the games
I’m sure he did tho
@@morbincentral3607 except he didn't and he himself said it in an interview where he was asked about his absence in the new games.
@Tahir whats? The dude IS kratos! He voiced the character from its inception for 6 games in a span of nearly a decade! Santa Monica didn't have the respect to thank him for making them and the franchise successful. When they did the flashback in God of war 4 with zeus it didn't even sound right because the new voice actor cannot do young kratos.
@Tahir You really don't see how it might have been appropriate to call the man and say "hey, we're going in a different direction with the role's voice acting this time around"? They're not legally required to do it or anything, it's just an example of human decency.
@@peacemaster8117definitely agree my friend i don’t see how people overlook this. I get it “No one owes anyone anything” blahh blah i get it but it’s something called courtesy that’s all we saying.
You just know this man’s favorite boss in the game was the bear just because he got the chance to beat the shit outta Atreus 😂
Which was a horrible boss because imagine krstos beating a titan but struggling with a bear...
@@Kometheus Wow.. now that you’ve mentioned it, new Kratos sucks.. the bear shouldn’t have been an issue when he slaughtered thousands of Cyclops and Minotaurs
@@Omega-jg4oq he doesnt have an issue, he always holds back
Fun fact: House Atreus was a noble house in Greek mythology that was always having misfortune befall them. It was the inspiration for House Atreides in Dune.
neat
I understood the way Atreus acted in the first game. He was a young boy who had very little interaction with his father. In the second game they spent three years together, and they're still having trust issues for some reason? Half the problems in the game happen because they don't really talk to each other. This is the kind of thing that should have been resolved in the three years offscreen, given they don't really interact with anyone else besides the Dwarves, the wolves, and Freya.
the whole point of ragnarok and even 2018 was ppl being overprotective leading to the horrible event they were trying to protect ppl from.
How can you forget Mimir?
I am with you. I preferred the 2018 Atreus 10000 times more than this one in 2022.
Like you said, his father was a stranger and cold to him. He used to sick etc. It made sense. In 2022 he looks sometimes out of place and often brings the quality of the game down when compared to characters like Freya, Mimir and Kratos.
Sometimes I felt it was some things were forced to happen just to have a plot vs something that would happen naturally
@@danielcharles3553 I don't know how I forgot Mimir. Total brain fart. And yes, it does feel like certain things were forced, just so the plot would go where the devs wanted it to go. Surtr is a big example. Of he's in love with someone, and has her heart. And when he shows up to the battle, the good guys have to hold him off so he doesn't kill Midgardians. And Freyr dies because...I don't know. He could have just backed up while holding the wall of fire off.
You surely talked open mindedly to your father when you were 14, everyone does. Every father always convinces and has a reasonable dialogue with their sons about which is the right choice.
Totally bro. Families never go through ups and downs… Teenagers are totally subservient to their parents.
Let's not forget that "Loki" was led by the nose throughout the whole story when canonical Loki would have it the other way around.
You do realize that canon Loki isn't the son of a Greek god also right?
@light darksoul 😱
Loki was also fk... by a horse, not everything should be in game exactly how the story goes lmao
@@freshnesbro3792 lmao
@@freshnesbro3792 😂😂😂😂😂😂 dam it
I definitely think the “whatever” section was a response to the community at large about how they all felt about rebellious Atreus. There were a lot of funny reactions to Atreus repeating “whatever” over and over again from Dunkey to JackSepticEye, but your compilation was likely one of the most memorable and easiest to consume, so I think you’re right on that. I also think it serves minor narrative significance as well, with Atreus confronting the mistakes of his past a bit in that segment, and throwing that whatever section in there complemented that narrative pretty well.
Yeah but you’d never hear those other TH-camrs take credit for inspiring a section in a game. Pure hubris
@@ikeburnerr you beat me to it.
@@ikeburnerr Claiming something potentially plausible isn’t always due to hubris, although I admit in his first video it did come across that way a bit more than in this video. His explanation of his thought process in this video made much more sense as to why he thought his video specifically contributed to the section in question, at least to me.
@@Calyde I’m just a troll
@@ikeburnerr Alas, I have been trolled
This "You did not hate it enough" thing is so funny.
Odin and Thor here aren't a 1/1 recreations for their myth versions, but after so much of MCU changing and butchering the myths, this is way more close to the original. Thor was indeed rather build burly, and he does drink a lot, provided he didn't have much of a family drama in the poetic eddas. Odin is jarring to hear, a criticism that is indeed valid, but people also complained he was more Loki than Loki is, but Odin isn't exactly the wise old man people perceive him to be. In the myths, Odin is also a trickster, and just as much of an insane control freak who wants to know everything. As much as Odin is shown as an Aesir King, he is often a tyrant as well, something even JRPGs got right.
Loki is the only odd one out here, being the god of mischief he is bound to cause some dire troubles for each and everyone. The thing is though, actual Loki meant his mischief with a lot of choice and weight to them, and he isn't also completely evil, which certainly sounds like someone who would be a child of another Greek who caused tons of misfortune for those around him. Atreus however often borders on hypocrisy at times and he only covers it up with more lies, that's not to say he didn't have some redeeming qualities or he's very terrible but not only are those moments carried by other characters, some of Atreus' moments just misses the mark sometimes.
Ironwood is still Atreus Atrocious
Everything u just said proves that loki is the biological son of kratos.
I remember hearing that AC: Valhalla had one of the most accurate representations of Thor? Apparently canonically he’s a really wise and logical figure, as opposed to the fumbling thick-headed fool we keep seeing. They nailed the drinking part though.
Odin sounds like a character from the Sopranos. Thor would be at least likable if he was actually on par with his fathers authority. His family dynamic is just too much. They asking the players to sympathize for too many characters and it doesn’t work.
Ofc Thor tuned out to be a Darth Vader redemption story done horribly. He and his father’s final battle was an immense let down with no scale and zero stakes. Baldur’s battle had scale, stakes, and so much tension.
“Loki” turned out to be a big nothing burger. Oh, he’s shapeshifter? Yeah, well shapeshifter seems like a common trait most gods can do. The term “shapeshifter” is even in the game.
Oh he created the big snake with soul magic? So what, many giants can seemingly do this. There’s not much to “Loki” that only he can do which contributes to his character as unique.
2018 set up a lot of expectations and 2022 it didn’t deliver. I didn’t go into the game theorizing what would happen but only used what they alluded to in the previous game.
My main issue is in how they talk with modern inflections, though their appearances definitely have some inconsistencies. Thor, while burly, is just sorta've... Out of shape?
I do MMA in real life, like, a lot of it. I have a few blackbelts, and the only reason I bring this up is do to how "Viking bod" gets tossed around in reference to how some MMA fighters are built. It is in reference to the large but solid/muscular builds people have. Thor is not one of these builds, he's straight up kinda just fat. Fatter than Fat Thor in the MCU that people hated so much. The design could have worked had they given him more muscle definition. Odin however is just a skinny stick and talks like a mob boss from a TV Show. Someone here referred to the Sopranos and he really does feel like he came straight out of that. He just kinda looks like a "dude" and it's offputting. And I know this isn't the first instance of them deliberately and wildly changing character appearances because Angrboda looks nothing like her mythological self. We're talking about someone who normally gets depicted with blue skin, or sometimes with various other colors.
Ratatoskr is perfect thought. I mean I don't even know if he should be that big, but I will give him a pass on account of the fact that he makes Kratos uncomfortable by disrespecting his personal space.
@@Impalingthorn for the speaking modern i think it has to do with you are playing as Kratos perspective. As you are kratos from Greece you move to a land that is far away from where you live where everyone speaks different. Same with Mimir when i learned he is from Avalon.
you can tell the whole "single uncut camera" direction is just a gimmick nothing more cause it hurts the story..... people argue it by saying "it makes the game more cinematic" yeah it's a video game not a movie what's the point of "cinematic" experience when it hurts the overall experience PLAYING the game
Even Mimir doesn't like it and you can even say they are self-aware on this, otherwise they wouldn't have made Mimir make such comment.
People also forget that single uncut camera shots are either for one or two setpiece scenes in a movie, or the rare arthouse movie that explicitly understands that it has several limitations because of that artistic choice.
The old trilogy was more cinematic tbh
@@distantsea I don't get the point of using this technique when you want to tell the story unfold from the perspective of more than one person
It's real issue is obvious with the Asgard wall climb because the camera can not edit or make camera cuts, which means the players are forced to auto climb the ENTIRE wall while there is absolutely nothing going on except pushing the thumb stick up.
The dialogue and speech of almost every character are off in this game. They all try to sound cool and modern. GoW 2018 had this problem with Atreus, but only in specific sections when he becomes an asshole.
But still, my biggest gripe with both of these games is that someone decided it would be fun to put flying enemies in a hack'n'slash game where YOU CAN'T FUCKING JUMP.
Not at all lmao. Also you have arrows or the blades of chaos to deal with the flying ones
@@morbincentral3607 In 2018, you get the blades long after you've met flying enemies. In Ragnarok, I guess it's mitigated, but it's still awkward to fight them. As for arrows, it's a mindless button mashing
Lots of f bombs as well which is funny how the original games don't have much swearing but this game is filled with this shit
@@shawklan27 Yes! Not only f-bombs, when Odin said "Shit, I'll even sweeten the deal", I visibly cringed. 2018 was much better. The only character that sounded edgy was Baldur, but he was mentally unstable because of inability to feel, so I can buy it. But in Ragnarok? Man, when Atreus called Kratos an asshole, he should have bitch-slapped him so hard his eyes would send out sparks
Nah the nightmares are very easy to deal with a throw of the axe or Atreus's arrow
The argument that a character being a child is an excuse for them being annoying falls apart when one sees just how many mega-hit franchises from around the world have child protagonists, be it Avatar the Last Airbender, the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise, My Hero Academia, Stranger Things or even the latest installment of Ghost Busters.
It doesnt, theres child in this world that are more matured than others, and others are more annoying. Theres child who had murdered people, children that are way to smart, children that are stronger than they supposed to, children that are more violent, annoying etc. So yeah, it doesnt fall apart.
@ianfudo5040 no it falls apart. Atreus was clearly meant to be a character that we like. If not then God knows why they decided to make him the main character. So why make him an annoying little dumbass shit? Disrespectful too like I get you're mad but calling your father an asshole... really...
Anyway so for that reason they could've at least attempted to make him less annoying
Atreus didn't go to school and was surround with a bunch of softies for him to be a softy, I to find it hard to believe that he was raised by Kratos, why can't he be more manly with an attitude and more wisdom from his father, instead he is always just doing things for the hell of it with no thought or logic behind his decisions, I hated every moment playing with Atreus and his voice and complaint were definitely annoying, whether is was intentional or not it was still annoying.
So, as far as teen Atreus, I don't really know what kind of "defense" you could give, aside from "raging hormones." But going back to Atreus in 2018, I came to realize that he was neglected by his dad, until his dad was forced to stop neglecting him. I can agree that he's an annoying character, but in 2018, he had legitimate reasons to be an annoying little brat.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't complain about him being annoying, I'm just stating that there's legitimate reasons for it other than "he's a kid."
I wish we could play atreus segments after finishing the main game as a bonus part
People who think kids have to be written annoying are stupid. Lots of kids are nice, and entertaining.
I find that Atreus can definitely be annoying but I never felt like it detracted from the game to me. It felt somewhat intentional in that, despite the time he spent with Kratos over the last 3 Years, he has inevitably reached his awkward teen phase that everybody goes through. For a lot of people being in that phase tends to harbor a strong desire for independence from parents which would only be fostered by his inherent curiosity and finding out about the opening of Groa's shrines and later on the thought that he is the Champion of the Jotnar. I think its extremely believable for him to get impulsive and rebellious. I also noticed that throughout the game that despite Atreus and Kratos being at odds once in a while they never became nearly as contentious as they were when Atreus had his "godhood" phase in 2018. That shows to me how they have developed their relationship a lot over those 3 years.
Agreed. HOWEVER, the game play is boring chasing rats and I didn't sign up to be a guidance counselor.
The Valkrye fights while punishing they were amazing specially the queen
hope you are joking. They were all copy and pasted. If they offer any difficulty to any player that was due to the horrible camera angle
@@ernestofelix6734 you haven't play it and damn son it shows" copy and paste" lol you don't know wtf you talking about each of them have their particular move and power and the queen have all of the powers and the moves hence why is fucking hard...learn at least do a little research because now you looking really bad! 🤣🤣 and tbh cringe worthy and all to be a contrarian but it was a pleasure to own you...🤣🤣 I mean better as well be me
@@ernestofelix6734 I disagree most of them had a unique moveset and the further you went the more moves they used , they were without a doubt the best part of the game .
I have played all GOW games and beaten them on the highest difficulty , every single one including Ragnarok and Sigrun is still the best boss in the franchise and King Hroki and GNA are better than anything in the previous games . The best bosses from the OG trilogy that I can think of were the Sisters of Fate and Hades , everything else was not on that level , not bad by any means just nothing amazing . Killing regular enemies was a lot more fun in the OG games compared to the new ones while the bosses I would say is generally the other way around .
Queen was the only good fight, the rest were incredibly boring or annoying.
I think the valkyries were very unimaginative to say the least. They all were just real life version of the meme: let me copy your homework I'll change it up a little bit. They shared the looks, moves, animations, even their death sequence is the same. And Queen is the worst offender as she is just the copy pasted version of all of them.
It was bloody hilarious seeing the look on BOY’S face at the game awards when Kratos’ VA got best actor.
(Disclaimer, this is referring to the pout he made when it was announced that Christopher got the award)
Tbh i think he was talking to Sunny.
He looked like he was happy for him? What do you mean
Bruh leave the actors out of this lol
Yh he was happy for Chris, what are you on about
@@IDKbruh420 he was pouting.
Christopher Judge was on stage for WAY TOO LONG at the awards💀
He just had back surgery. Cant tell me my man aint on loads of oxycodone. Thats why he talked so much. 🤷
hey man, he knew Valve gave away Decks per minute. He's da GOAT
@@cookingwithkratos Oh for sure, his general blasé attitude and happy/emotional mood look exactly how people act when on high amounts of oxy. That explains so much now actually.
He played a character in a Sony movie game so he’s used to speaking for a long time.
@@Evanz111let the man expressing how he feels
Alright, next review you got to play Furi.
I’d love your take on this hyper stylish synth wave boss rush game.
"Atreaus is supposed to be annoying because he's a kid"
Says a lot about what kind of parent that guy and those involved are.
What?
I doubt you understood what you wrote 💀
Atreus got himself into numerous situations throughout the game where he could have been killed easily. It felt like he only got out due to luck rather than the cunning nature Loki should have, and that annoyed me far more than his personality. He’s supposed to be the God of Mischief, not Domino from deadpool 2. Kratos is also lucky af that he waited this long to kill these gods and that they never hurt Atreus. Pretty weird to risk not killing them when he knows they hunt his son, but ok! 👍
Introducing God of Luck, boys!
Honestly, it is this reason why I don't like Odin as much because he was entirely fooled by Atreus, who mostly relied on luck and made decisions based on emotion.
It seriously undermines the antagonists' supposed intelligence.
Are you serious? If we go down this route, the original God of War games are fucking retarded and make no sense. Kratos literally survived 100 times on "luck". Why didn't Zeus and his brothers one day decide to gather together and attack Kratos all at the same time? Why did Kratos fight everyone one by one, was he lucky, was it bad writing, was it fate, was it stupidity from the gods? You little salty bitches will never realise that you are just in the wrong from the start. I'd wager 90% of you hating the new God of War games are not honorable people in real life and you do a lot of projecting in your critiques and showing off your favouritism towards primitive instincts, rage, gore and savagery.
@@aginor6487 I see you got no reply back, because you know it's true. Based on your "objective" criteria, the original God of War games were mostly overhyped nonsensical trash. Which of course they are not, but I'm going to keep on hammering those facts to you losers that keep on hating on Ragnarok. You guys lack imagination, I don't even know how you got into gaming or what kind of retarded games you like that make you feel like your opinion is in any sort of way "objective" or holds any merit to it.
it was forgiveable in 2018 bc atreus is like 10 years old so some of it can be excused by it being a 10 year old who is going through alot of growth. Ragnarok he just feels like the same 10 year old. Youd think 3 or more years of Fimblewinter with only kratos and mimir around would have matured him alot more.
The reason people find something or someone annoying is because they focus on what is annoying them. It gets to a point of overthinking it.
6:40 There are entire segments in video games as old as Fallout 2 that are dedicated to community drama as well as TH-cam video compilations of games that took shots at their detractors. It is not unreasonable at all to think that the better known critics would receive acknowledgement in the sequels or DLC.
Atreus sections remind me of the times my parents showed me videos of me as a kid
😂😂😂😂😂😂
No cap, I would love to see you do an analysis or guide or strategies video for the classic god of war games like 3, or even just a regular playthrough
Atreus isn't annoying in 2018 for me, "He's a kid being a kid." But in Ragnarok he is a complete A$$hole, the way he talks to Sutr is so messed up.
"who are you? where did they kind child Kratos raised go?"
Kind?
Question Mayo: In GOW 2018, what scene did your hatred of Atreus begin? Don't tell me you hated his guts the MOMENT you saw him...
One of the big things is how often he says "Whatever" with an attitude, which gave him the impression he's a bratty child and makes his dialogue out of place for a game that's supposed to be set in Viking era Scandinavia, not the modern age.
Probably when he turns into a complete asshole the moment he finds out he's a god. Thus completely justifying why Kratos never told him.
The impression... Lol
The drauger pit, where I was dying over and over trying to adjust to the camera and he kept yelling at me.
@@underthemayo skill issue
Atreus missions were insufferable. God of bore. Slowed the story down and made me quit playing for days.
You’d think the people supposedly saying the game is terrible and has no redeeming features are strawmen, but between the 2 and a half stream playthroughs I’ve seen - the comments had LOADS of people spitting on the game and claiming it’s complete trash. I didn’t realise the blind contrarians were still out there, so thanks for giving a platform for actual constructive criticism on this game.
Based contrarians ripping on the fraud of war
I like Atreus but saying a defense that he's a kid , so is Ellie and she's never annoying at least imo
Yeah and? A kid who grew up in Ancient Rome is different to a kid who grew up in modern day Tokyo, but both can still have similar experiences, however not everyone is the same. For example look up how Ronnie James Dio grew up and compare him to Ottis Toole, different ways of raising people, and they turned out differently.
@@andrewpresley8676 well no shit. I wasn't saying they were the same I was using Ellie as an example to people who just say most kid characters are annoying and again I like Atreus so this whole argument doesn't even matter to me
Kratos raised Atreus strictly, nor harsh.
Sure, in 2018, it was shown of... *"Bratty Atreus"*
_but that was nipped in the Bud._
Kratos handled it, made sure it didn't get worse.
Then that entire arc was thrown over, for Teenage Atreus.
Feels Weird brah.
Clementine from the walking dead is peak of video game kids
@@frogglen6350 atreus tried to betray us that's not okay
I do disagree with some of your gripes, as I absolutely love this game, but I think you have the best balanced and most well thought out opinions about why you don’t love some things in the game.
And Faye too damn she looked so underwhelming. You'd think she'd be designed to be so impressionable because they built her up in the lore as this imposing and formidable goddess. Then you see her in the cutscene and be like what?? She looks like a effin karen wtf
Can you do videos on the original three games?
He should do a video on Ascencion, it surely could use the praise.
@@matheusst.3655 I love acensions combat system but it doesn't touch God of war 2 and 3 for me
We need another doom eternal video
Yes he should do retrospective of the original 3 games. Would be great video.
Aside from the video I am curious what do you think rdr2 what do you consider a masterpiece at least in story telling?
It's one I haven't gotten to yet.
@@underthemayo Ill be waiting :3
@@randomperson9282 don’t keep your breath, ain’t the type of game he would review.
@@VammainenLehma Ain't no need to b holding my breath curiosity itches friend
atreus ... the main character of the new "God of War" series ... god help us all
Hearing that people felt you weren't negative enough makes me feel people look for negative reviews to make them feel validated. And I have a feeling its not always legitimate criticism but blind hate.
It's the same for both sides. Unfortunately, legitimate criticisms get drowned out by people expecting praise.
You act like the overly positive people don't do the same thing, like they don't look for videos that are extremely positive to validate their opinion.
I just don't understand people who can't let other people have their own opinions.
Honestly, your dislike of Atreus is fine and valid. I'm not emotionally invested enough in seriously taking issue with his acting direction but can understand why people wouldn't be excited about him, and all the other child characters who are structured in such a manner.
ODIN Speaks as a Mob boss
I think that is exactly what the developers wanted
I know, and I love it. He's exactly the kind of slimy bastard GoW: Ragnarok built him up to be.
@@megashark1013 I love it to
@@tomasursino6001 which didn't turn out well
he wasnt slimy at all otherwise that weak old man disguise would have come off in the final fight
Speaking of Plague Tale, any plans to play/make a video on Requiem?
I understand where you are coming from but you need to realize that before the events of the game kratos was absent through Loki's entire life and it's shown that this is true in the tutorial in 2018 kratos asks atrues to show him what his mother has taught him and not what he taught him and in Alfheim this is shown to us when Atrues says "I didn't realize" kratos awnser with "how would you?" Clearly showing that the have never interacted before the events of the game
Can you review evil within? It's a Shinji mikami survival game like re4 want to know your opinion on it.
Both parts are excelent, period... no other opinion accepted.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Mayo's already said in another video that he doesn't like it
Shit game, but the sequel improved on it in just about every possible wau and ended up being really solid.
My only issue with Atreus is how selfish he is but then people act like you should pity him.
@@Omega-jg4oq That doesen't excuse anything.
@@shootnslash4804 it's accurate though
@@Omega-jg4oq what mischief did he do that warrants that title?
Well yeah he’s the “Loki” the god of mischief and he’s a kid who makes dumb mistakes. Don’t forget that all his selfish choices were in attempt to prevent his his father from dying, so his motivations were good. I think they wrote his character great. He makes stupid mistakes but they still managed to make you like him
@@Dravianpn02 he is the one who most likely will end up killing Kratos in the end or in 2018 Buldar took him and Kratos had to go after him all the way there and he killed son of Thor and brought Odin in Sindri's house and Odin killed Broke, sorry I can't mention everything now, I don't have the whole day for it
Modern games reflect too much of our own reality to appease a more mainstream society.
Talk about that bs final battle they call ragnarok
That entire finale was just meh
My favorite part was when Ragnarok was sat in the back flicking at those little eye enemies 🤣
@@acehood9953 my fav part was the serpent bitting at tiny lighting bolts. 🤦
As a person who is quite immersed in Nordic myth and folklore I want to say the representation in the game was actually pretty spot on. Thor is a dumb angry drunk. Odin is a utilitarian that spends his time manipulating his kids towards his ends of preventing Ragnarok. And loki? He's annoying. He makes trouble for no good reason. He complains when he's caught. It's all about right--its just that the games marry it to reality. You can't be the kind of person who can drain a sea of wine and still stand if you aren't a massive alcoholic. The game just follows through on the premise. (Mimir is probably the least accurate.)
On the atreus thing: Atreus doesn't bother me. It's fine that he bothers you. I'm not calling that opinion illegitimate. I don't think the commenters are being accurate when they say he's written to be annoying. He's just the bundle of chaos that kids with anger problems often are. He acts like a 1,000 kids I have taught. You don't have to like him, but I rub against the idea that there was some objectively good way to interpret a child into fiction.
Once I realized Odin was basically a Mafia Boss in GOW, that was when I was okay with how he was portayed
He looks like your regular white landlord tbh
@@WmAHaynes that you could kill and nobody would notice is what I mean
For me, the characterization was the perfect counterbalance to the forces of nature that all the other gods were. You never realize how much danger you're in with these types of personalities until the knife is already at your throat
I'm just glad someone said what they thought about the game instead of sucking it off in fear of Sony blacklisting them. I hope this is the last interactive movie Sony will put out.
So the takes I can't get with is how they "ignore the first games and pretend like they didn't happen" and "this is the Atreus story" let's address the first one. In 2018 while they don't address as much as I feel they should've they do not detach from the Greek saga as much as you claim. Where the Greek saga really plays it's part is in Ragnarok so you must turn off audio or something when you play I guess? Or don't read? Idk from the top of my head in vanaheim we finally address how kratos killed his family where he states he was tricked by a god to slaughter a temple not knowing his wife and child were in there then kratos states that drove him to vengeance and made him who he was in the Greek saga. (In the parentheses section now I will describe how kratos changed to the man we know now briefly. In the comic kratos trained his rage and how to control it by going into the woods every night and getting brutally mauled by animals and if he got angry and killed them he failed he used this to help control his rage) continuing on, Deimos from the literal PSP game is brought up in dialogue and talked about. In many boat or sled sections kratos recounts tales of his time in Greece a few I remember off the top of my head are him describing killing the fates in GOW2 he also talked about the furies from god of war ascension. When seeing the kelpi kratos even mentions the hippocampus and posiedon. There are a few passing moments too such as references to the Titans and such. For Christ sake the spear is basically a symbol of Greece itself thematically it's the most important thing for his personal arc. The blades are a curse from his past he can't get rid of (source comic for canonical reasons etc) and the axe in my opinion acts as a reminder of his wife an extension of her the spear. The spear is kratos' weapon the first weapon a spartan masters it belongs to him and he tended to prefer it even in a lot of cutscenes it is part of his acceptance of his past. The lady rejects the omega symbol and embraces the Sparta symbol which I feel sums that up perfectly. Ffs the gods are also constantly referencing what he did in Greece too! Right I forgot I gotta defend why this isn't the Atreus game. Okay a story can have multiple characters and focus on multiple characters if you think Atreus is the main character take a look at the gameplay and tell me that. Atreus has like 4 real moves and combos. It's a great system and he's fun as shit to play since he's so swift and fast but he is nowhere near as in depth as kratos system. Story wise it is not the Atreus story the only part I can somewhat stand by is the god awful ironwood I get what they were going for he's never met someone his age chance to be a kid etc as for the Asgard sections those serve to build up odin much more and humanize some of the characters as well like Thor. GOW succeeds in humanizing Thor. While this story is very important for Atreus and has set him in his own journey you fail to see how it begins kratos journey too. Kratos learns many valuable lessons throughout mainly being the classic open your heart to it. When he does he becomes the new all father shown in the shrine at the end and Atreus moves on to find the giants. The Atreus sections are for the people who say he is dumb and is stupid blah blah blah because if all you want is kratos then that's what the old games are for. Clearly Santa Monica loves kratos but they also love these other characters they've made for us like Atreus. So they attempt to make Atreus his own person his arc in my opinion is to get out of the shadow of his father which he does and it's awesome. Should I talk in depth about Freya's arc? Thor's arc? Sindri? BROK? Even fucking Mimir had an entire character arc. Clearly Santa Monica loves the characters and wants us to as well they want some narratives anyways I'm going to sleep now it's the middle of the night
Dude... Everything you just said in this comment is pure 100% facts and I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that he actually had the nerve to say that they "ignore the first games and pretend like they didn't happen" made me feel baffled beyond belief. Like you said, they do not detach from the Greek saga as much as Mayo likes to claim. Said saga is brought up multiple times throughout 2018 and Ragnarok. The fact that he does not realize this (Or maybe he just deliberately ignores this just to prove his points like he did with Ultrakill's alt-fire weapon cooldowns in his Ultrakill Act 2 "review") is honestly mind-boggling. Then again Mayo probably did turn the audio off from time to time like he did in 2018 because "Atreus so annoying reeee!" Speaking of Atreus? ...Holy crap Mayo's hate boner for Atreus is eyebrow-raising. I mean, yeah. The boy does have moments which aren't exactly his proudest, he does have a bit of a rebellious streak, and he did act pretty shitty when he learned of his godhood for the first time. But I don't think he's as annoying as Mayo makes him out to be. Atreus has clearly learned from his mistakes and him regretting his past behavior proves that. He does grow as a character and matures throughout the story. Him and Kratos escaping the depths of Helheim is a great example of this. Which brings us to the "This is the Atreus story" bit... No. Sure, he's a big part of the story, but so is Kratos. The amount of character development he has shown throughout 2018 and Ragnarok really shows how far Kratos has come from being a killing machine driven by vengeance to someone trying to move on from his past self and change for the better in order to be the best father he can be for his son is SO satisfying to witness. Now, I'll admit, I do agree with some of Mayo's points about Norse era GoW. Namely about 2018's enemy variety and I semi agree with how tight the camera's FOV can feel (Though I was able to adapt to it pretty quickly so not TOO big of a deal. But it would still be nice if there was an FOV adjustment option). But the vast majority of his criticisms overall? ...Yeah, this ain't it, chief. Imo at least.
Oh yeah, almost forgot. The "Or don't read?", part would honestly not surprise me since it's been proven by both Brother Nier 2.0 and Psychonautic Therapy that Mayo is illiterate, unobservant, and downright oblivious. Proof of this is Nier explaining in both his "Under the Mayo doesn't understand Ultrakill" and a bit in his "Under The Mayo's Style Meters Analysis is Extremely Bad" videos about how Mayo fails to understand what kind of game Ultrakill is and Psycho picking apart Mayo's "GOTY" vid on Sifu, as well as Mayo's rant on Sifu's easy mode update. While doing so, Psycho brought up how Sifu's directional throw mechanic somehow went over Mayo's head about 3+ times even though it was EXPLICITLY stated in the OPENING TUTORIAL of the game. If that alone isn't proof enough of how illiterate, unobservant, and oblivious Mayo is, then Idk what is.
*Deeply inhales and then exhales.* Ok! I'm done. Sorry for the rant. It's just that I love how your comment pretty much spoke nothing but facts. With all that said? Imma go check out your content since it looks pretty dope af. \m/
@@yokaibear13 I love this response actually I do agree sorta with the camera thing I got used to it easily bc all Sony exclusives have devolved into a somewhat similar formula and mayos sifu critique pisses me off almost more than this one bc of how he shits on sekiro that's a whole thing I'll gladly go into lmao but yeah thank you for checking my stuff out!
@@thatguitarguy9157 Np man! I’ve always been a fan of metal and rock music.
Oh and don’t even get me started on his Sekiro “review”. As someone who recently got into FromSoftware games by beating Dark Souls 1 twice, and very recently getting into Sekiro? There is so much he got wrong it is honestly dain bramage-inducing, but also funny. XD
@@yokaibear13 dude praises having no tutorials or minimal tutorials then when sekito does it he cries like a baby like literally every prosthetic tool and combat art is designed for an approach to a boss fight
@@thatguitarguy9157 To quote Nier? “Mayo is illiterate, has double standards, is an oblivious charlatan, and with every video he uploads, he likes switching the goalpost.”
For Germanic (Norse) Pagans and/or people with a deep love/interest for Norse mythology, the mythological aspects and over all character designs of the last 2 games are, to put it mildly, atrocious. Now for people who either don't care about it or take a new age approach to the mythology, it's fair that it doesn't bother them or even makes them more interested in it as being a counter to the more traditional Hollywood/Marvel depictions. However from a purely mythological/historical standpoint it's objectively wrong and bad.
For the first games it was similar, however the butchery became so bad it was one of the reasons I wasn't interested in the new games.
I hate the fact that God of war Ragnarok, forced players to play sections of Kratos son. Literally, I didn’t get the game to play as the boy. I got it to play as the god of war Kratos.
Omg you actually doubled down on the whatever scene being about you. Takes away from your credibility. It was a key part of Atreus’ personality and how he was a brat
His credibility is solely on Doom Eternal gameplay. Mayo has some serious issues and it shows in his complete lack of imagination or emotional intelligence. His videos attract the dumbest people in the gaming world, always complaining and hating about everything that isn't 100% as they envisioned it.
Tbh, I thought the dev' might have made the decision to have Thor's Daughter kill Kratos.
It's funny how, at this point, golf clubs are a sign of dread and ill omens for fans when around their favourite character. 😂
The problem with Odin is he doesn't seem to be as smart as the script wants us to believe him to be.
He's also not a very strong character.
He practically steered the entire game into this ending in which he dies with his unfulfilled dream.
There could've been a 1000 things he could've done to prevent his end.
The moment he killed Brok, his fate is pretty much sealed.
Also made every effort he did to sway Kratos and Artreus to his side pointless.
If it wasn't for this plus the 1000 things he did, Kratos and Artreus could've never joined Ragnarok.
The Aesir could've demolished the alliance army.
The fact that Odin was there as Tyr watching their every move only made it worse.
How could anyone in his right mind expect Atreus to put on his mask in the midst of battle like he did, after what he did?
It's practically insane.
It's funny that a character who is credited for being an "expert" manipulator and strategic thinker can not develop enough patience to not unnecessarily kill an annoying drawf he only meets a few moments that puts all his work to jeopardy.
Like Zeus is a much better manipulator and schemer than Odin is ironically, as he hid as the gravedigger without ever exposing himself. He successfully tricks Kratos into giving his power away to render him mortal so that Kratos is left weak. In the end, Zeus ACTUALLY succeeds in his plan to kill Kratos, who is only saved due to Gaia.
@@YEY0806 exactly my thoughts.
I got motion sickness just from those few clips of Borne Supremacy. That looks absolutely dreadful.
I do think your video wasnt harsh enough, and though i respect the arguments i was expecting something like what we saw on the 2018 video
Great video. I also can’t stand Atreus. I did enjoy ragnarok, but felt this game wasn’t nearly as good as gow 2018.
I despise shaky cam, fuck Lord of the rings for making fight scenes cheaper for studios. Kung Fu Husle is 10 times the movie of the entire LOTR franchise put together. The only action movie that hasn't sucked in a decade is Fury Road.
The fact that you are forced to play almost half of the game as him is horrible and made me not even try a second playthrough unlike god of war 2018 😢
Yeah, I played 2018 four times through, to have a good understanding for my video on it. But this one, i'll never ever repeat.
b4 i finish the vid. isn’t loki supposed to be annoying aka god of mischief
Always love your discussions 👍 I'd HIGHLY recommend making a "positives of GOW 2018" if you're already thinking about doing that!! It might help balance out the waters. People are fucking weird where you can't have both praises AND negatives on something at the same time. It either has to be a hard positive or hard negative position for them, which is extremely strange and so stupid. Why can't someone have a nuanced opinion on something and you figure out your own opinion from there?
Their fanboys, their favourite games, are their deity and CANNOT be brought out of the spotlight for even a second. Otherwise, they feel shameful in admitting their game isn't "perfect."
Clementine from The Walking Dead is another child character from a game who isn't annoying. And yea, I had a hard time believing this is the personality of someone who was raised by Kratos. But above all else, Atreus is terrible because his modern way of speaking broke my immersion. Most everyone else still *feels* like they are from an ancient/fantasy world, although in the sequel, more and more characters talk with modern vernacular. It's a lazy sloppy, dialogue writing, and everyone responsible should take notes from A Plague Tale on how to make characters sound modern without feeling like they sound out of place and time.
4:09 that's because Kratos didn't raise Atreus, Faye did. The whole part in the light of Alfheim in gow 2018 is about that and that part is kind of important, it's not just some throwaway line. Atreus literally says "He always leaves. He's never here. He doesn't want me and he never will. I don't know him and he doesn't know me. Doesn't seem to want to." in that "vision" or what ever you want to call it.
Have you even played the game 🤔
Of course he raised him. He wasn't a good and present father, but he was obviously there. He didn't just leave his wife alone for years. He loved his wife and lived with her. Kratos was around plenty for all those years. Enough for him to not have a son who whines at the slightest inconvenience and says says whatever bro.
@@underthemayo yeah my bad, I worded that poorly. I didn't mean it in a literal sense with the "Kratos didn't raise Atreus" of course he did, but he never took the time to teach him something, unlike Faye. She taught him to speak, read, taught him about history and she even taught him to hunt. Kratos didn't teach him practically anything up until the events of gow 2018, so it would make more sense for him to pick up Fayes mannerisms rather than Kratos'
@@Heby_cz Great I'll blame her too them. Screw them both for raising that brat the way they did.
Hey Mayo I recommend watching The Northman, it's a really good movie that honors Norse mythology and folklore. If you watch that you'd understand why a lot of ppl take issue with the portrayal of the Gods.
Part of me feels like a lot of people have issues with them comes from decisions to make them antagonists in the story. Which tbf, since we’re not in Greece anymore they didn’t HAVE to do.
@@naisagathefirstdestronmand8559 I don't think it's just because they're villains what I didn't like is how they were portrayed, Thor looks like a fat man not strongman and he's a bumbling drunk which isn't how he's seen in neither the folklore or Marvel and while I like Odin because of the actor his character is just meh. I don't even want to get into how Asgard or the warriors look.
@@melancholyman369 Yeah Asgard was a MASSIVE disappointment. I mean, I do like the wooden cabins, and taverns. But it felt to small scale, like a small mortal village, not a place with gods. I wanted a HUGE collection of these, with stone castles mixed throughout, an old city kind of thing. I like the great lodge, and how Odin built it himself. But honestly, I wish that was like, his personal one. For him and his family and guests. Maybe even having it be the very first building in Asgard, hence why Odin keeps it simple, it’s his. But in front of that should’ve been a grand and luxurious one. And also I agree, the warriors looked terrible. Well the main ones did. Most were boring to fight. So much for Asgard’s finest. The captains were cool though.
As for Thor, I’m…mixed. I’m okay with the design, but I wish he wore armor and looked more dignified. Like in 2018. Even if he was still as fat, the armor he had would go a long way to fixing the design.
Awesome movie. Totally enjoyable of you don't know Norse mythology and I didn't learn much from it either. Just enjoyed it.
@@melancholyman369>thor fat
He wasn’t said to either be fat or bully in the mythos. Even then, he has a ton of bulk.
>asgard and warriors
What’s wrong with the einherjar? They look rather intimidating and badass if you ask me.
Mayo: 'I don't hate kids'
Also Mayo: 5:12
Atreus instigated the entire game
Pretty much like all aspects of both games I just like watching you rip on them because it’s funny
I just wanna wrap Atreus in a tortilla and put him in the microwave and watch him spin around a little :)
i liked him tbh 🤷. kratos was the only one who didnt agree with Loki about what to do. everyone else did.
I'm one of the people who likes Atreus/Loki. His playable sections of the game were some of my favorite highlights of it
Lol you’re lost bro
yeah but everytime he talk to Kratos and gets angry makes Kratos look like kinda of joke
@@sk8ermGs sure
@@Omega-jg4oq I don't think so.
@@sk8ermGs nah he likes what he likes.
Honestly the most thing that i hated in this game, is the fact that odin was weak as hell. All the stories we players heard thought we would receive a REALLY good battle since he is the strongest by far than the other characters (besides kratos) and the boss battle felt so easy considering he is the last strongest aseir god.
I hope that when the other mythology arrives. We should receive a hell of a game!
im aite with most chars and Atreus is quite bearable to me (in Ragnarok he is sort of nuanced even tho the motivations are not written amazingly), but Kratos' wife was cringe bro. GRUMBLES? mega condescending all the time and Kratos just takes it silently and then is still reverent of her like cmon, the weird "americanization" just peaks with her
Everytime I Had 2Play As Atreus In GOW Ragnarok - I Wanted 2Throw My PS5 Out The Window
I'll make another example for you, clementine from telltale walking dead
I don’t think people understand what an opinion is lmao. You can’t get mad at someone else for not hating something
I’ve got Admit the parts when you play as Atreus Are a bit boring apparently in the concept that they were gonna give him knives or swords but for some reason they cut it out which makes his combat also a bit boring
You should make a channel for Abel and call it UnderTheCrema
Didn't expect another gowr vid but okay
Fact is he just can't let new God of war be when he hates it wayy to much lol, views of course
A large number of people disliked Atreus saying "whatever" all the time, thats why they put the "whatever" part in Ragnarok... Its not a tribute to YOU personally.... I dont know how you could even come to that self centred of a conclusion tbh....
... whatever
True,it's hilarious that he thinks they put that in the game because of his video bruh
If you believe that a sequence that's a 1 to 1 copy of an edit I put together in the most well known anti-gow 2018 video is a coincidence, that's your right.
@@underthemayo Bruh, he wasn't actually listening to what you said.
In the video..
HOT TAKE Calliope is more of a special character than Atreus
Glorified plot device with about as much characterisation as a slice of bread.
@@megashark1013 Atreus only character is being an annoying bitch and lets be honest Calliope they make her special with her in GOW Chains Of Olympus they put Calliope in position to stay special where Atreus only special is wanted to get Kratos to beat his ass
I'm glad mayo makes real commentary and doesnt care about the opinions his 1st vid summed up my experience perfectly it was too boring for me to finish and I wanted to love it because the combat was awesome but you rarely got to play as Kratos or use the combat features
Mad respect for bamboo boogaloo music
Odin is a classic psychopath.
No he is not. Odin is actually the good guy. Name me one thing, just one thing that odin does to hurt anyone. GO.
His more of a narcissist, really
@@cookingwithkratos he killed his own son without thinking twice
@@YEY0806 like most psychopaths
What I hate the most about this game, besides Atreus (obviously), is the way in which they did Tyr, total letdown! I wanted to see Tyr in action! Being able to play as Tyr would have been miles better than those boring sections as Atreus but I guess it wouldn’t make sense story wise.
I liked atreus in 2018. He was a young boy who truly did not understand his father or their situation and reacted quite relatably… for the most part.
Ragnarok atreus is a grown adult who acts even less mature than kid atreus and simps for some girl he just met who does everything in her power to push him away due to the writers constantly trying to show how independent she is and gets out boi killed due to chasing a prophecy
5:16 All you have to do is Google "God of War Atreus whatever" and see that many players were annoyed by his lines, but somehow you still think this joke is directed at you specifically. Sure, Black Thunder got an easter egg in Ragnarok but they do nothing but shill GOW, Santa Monica Studios, and Playstation on their account. You have this theory about people at the studio seeing your video and all that but until it's proven, it's just a theory, a game theory. Since you have spoken with AAA/indie developers and have some connections, maybe you should ask if that joke was for you?
"Atreus is a kid, he's supposed to be annoying"
Ellie, Clementine, Robin (Dick Grayson), Robin (Tim Drake), Peter Parker ( younger days), Miles Morales, The whole cast of Avatar the Last Airbender,Sonic, Tails, MegaMan....they would all like a word with that weak ass argument. Kids CAN be annoying, but they are not annoying to their core.
Welll that depends on circumstances i know he basically lived his parents and never really interact with kids his age let alone always home sick. And only other time he actually journeyed was carrying the ashes of his mother. Ellie was fine until last of us 2 happen, kinda got annoyed after the second half. Miles from comics is bad , only spiderverse redeem him. So if I had to pick which kid i hate more than Atreus , Tiny tina or at least every protag from life is strange.
“Whatever…”
I love it. And please come to the kitchen man. I always need mayo
The Mayo cannot Walk.
He can talk though
Odin and Thor were the best parts of this game.
I personally don't like the cliche of character is absolute shit in the beginning and they grow as you see their journey, but I guess it's alright, kinda happened with Kratos and Atreus throughout the 2 games even though from time to time they just did a 180 and did something their old self would do and would make no sense for the current them to do.
When does Kratos do anything you consider out of character?
@Megashark 101 Him snapping at Atreus near the mid to late game even though him softening up so much didn't make much sense, also them just leaving and going hunting just to come back right after just did not make any sense.
@@AmirhoseinHerandy Can't remember any uncharacteristic snapping at Atreus during the late game. Atreus was genuinely putting himself in increasingly dangerous situations, so I think irritation is justified.
As for them going off hunting, I thought that was excellent. Kratos understood how much Brok's death would hurt Atreus, and he knew that Atreus could very well go down the same path he did if he allowed him to act rashly. So he took him away on a "Distraction", to calm him down, give him time to properly think and deal with the grief. He never had any interest in actually abandoning the others, and still very much planned to go back.
This is just adorable
In GoW, Atreus starts off as a whiny brat hurt deeply by the death of his mother, and irritated with his father, and the man's seeming lack of grief. Annoying, but understandable.
The moment he realizes he's a God though, he goes all 'Hurr Durr, we're GODS. We can do whatever we want. Who cares what mother thought, she wasn't a GOD...' Seriously, to disrespect the one who raised you all by herself, so soon after her death, just like that.... yeah. He disrespects the dwarfs who do their best to help the duo on their journey. Not a particularly likeable or compelling character.
How do you feel about him in Ragnarok. Btw I've always felt that whole section ro be sorta of the side affect of telling someone who believes his a mortal instead of a god like the sickness. Still dont like that scene thankfully its solved during helhiem
@@bobthereaper1017 Still waiting for Ragnarok to come to PC. I'm hoping he's become more tolerable by now, but Mayo seems to imply otherwise :(
@@ShyamadeepPrasad he also implied that he didnt like Atreus from the start when where u said that you could see where hes coming from. See for yourself imo hes far easier to empathize with in this game.
@@bobthereaper1017 He did say that. But he didn't indicate that his opinion on him has changed significantly in the new game either - which makes me wonder if its just his established dislike colouring things for him, or if there really has been no improvement. Anyways, I guess I'll be waiting for a year or two until it finally arrives on PC.
@@ShyamadeepPrasad I'm not going to spoil anything but putting into context all of the stuff that is happening to him coupled with the temper he inherited from his father. His attitude and actions make alot of sense. No more "I'm a god I'm better then everyone even my mom" happening all of a sudden
I like your content mayo, but ain’t no way you actually think they put in the scene with Atreus’s past selves bc of your video 😂😂😂
Dude thinks they really wasted 100s of man hours and probally millions in budget because of his video. Jesus christ. And i agree the gane isn't perfect but cmon lmao 💀
Your problem with atreus make me think you just hate kids and teens
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I thought Odin in this game was portrayed as "The God Father" or "The Sopranos" like character 😆🤣