These skates really do fit different for real. I’m a rec. skater who’s yet to still found the perfect skate fit. This is my skate history… First ever recommend fit in a particular skate was the reebok white k pump in sz 9ee. I have wide feet so i guess the store rep. had simply just recommended a wider fit. Lace bite killed me in these skates. I then looked at bauer supremes because of my wide feet. Next skate i got was the supremes 140. This time i’d gotten the suitable stiffness but even in a 9d in supremes, the skate wasn’t my proper fit but at the time i wasn’t thinking about all of this.. just going on what my 1st ever fitment recommendation was. Next, i went over to vapors simply because of the way they looked. In my mind, i wanted to collect all, if not most of the vapor x#.# skates series. Bought the x1.0, x2.0 but i really wanted the x3.0s at that time. I did found the x3.0 later in life in a sz 8.5d… …. … game changer. They do hurt my left foot, because as i mentioned, i have weird feet. My left foot is .5 longer than my right but my right is wider than my left. The vapors x3.0 in a ee would’ve been perfect. So with that knowledge i decided to try jetspeeds, but personally comparing jetspeeds to vapors, i think jetspeeds are cut .5 inches longer than vapors. 🤷🏾♂️ I then purchased an smu skate based on the jetspeed model in a sz 9 wide, felt comfy but something told me i could’ve went more snug. Too much volume because my forefoot kept lifting to the top of the skate for support. I sent them back. Next skate was another smu in a sz 8.5 wide.. still felt like i could’ve went more snug. I should mentioned that i always felt a kind of pinching feeling on my left foot on the pinky toe in my vapor x3.0 sz 8.5d and in all the cmm skates i’d tried at that point, including a tacks as590. Now…. When i had tried on the xf 90s and 80s in store… Smh... The Fit. Is 7:50.. when i slid the problem foot inside the skate, i had this smile on “😏” but picture the emoji looking down for like 30 secs. The store rep. helping me out sounded muffled and far away like he was on an island like “how’s the fit.. ?” I was smiling from the ear to ear to like 😊 “…they feel great” i was even able to go down .5 inch more. Initially I was laughing at the hype over the 652 tacks reviews but after revisiting the mighty ducks 2, nostalgia hit me and i had to hop on the train. 😅😅 I picked up the 652 in a sz 8. Perfect fit 👌🏾 now i don’t even think i wanna rebuy those smu jetspeeds anymore because i know the new jetspeeds coming out are gonna get the new toe cap treatment too. Im gonna go ahead and call em the ft8 series. 🙂
thanks for this review! got a pair - true, - absolute awesome skate!! (by the way, the 'what is different..' - you threw in - very cool and natural - keep it up!)
Hope the new liners are more durable. As an average skilled skating 46 year old beer leaguer, my 100k Pro liners are tearing in multiple spots. My 100k Pros are fantastic skates, but skating once or twice a week tops for the last year and half, i'd have never expected to see my liners having tears and holes in them with minimal use.
Boot height is same, right? And also same pitch (angle), givin mainly by XS holder. Same stiffness, the boot width is given by fit system. So the real skating difference will be... more heel-lock in XF? That's not much to justify 2 different skate lines. The upgrade with toe-cup inner "bumples" removing sounds great!!! And more forefoot volume is Top!
My old Tacks (9070s) started to break down but didn't have the money to buy new so I ended up getting a second hand pair of Vapor 3X Pros. I feel like I am skating better in the 3X Pros so the questions are: As I understand the skating style is different Tacks to Vapors, where Vapors are more akin to Jetspeed. So if I go back to CCM would I be better getting Jetspeed? Do you think the difference is more related to the fact that at the time of the 3X Pros coming out they were top of the line where the 9070s were always a mid level skate? The 2nd hand skates are an interim solution until I can afford new skates, what range do you think would be better to look at as the next skate? Thanks
Can you do more reviews on intermediate or cheaper gear? Im trying not to break the bank while also trying not to break the gear. Also, can you do a video on youth hockey equipment and prices? Lots of people do it but everything is confusing and contradicts itself.
Most likely jetspeed at a Standard or maybe Tapered fit. If you went Tacks I would definitely recommend the taper fit option. The standard width on the tacks skate is already pretty wide, especially if you’re coming from a vapor skate in a fit 1.
I've been shopping for new skates and your videos have been The Best Resource for me. I had a staff member at a local outlet explain to me that the FT had a more forward pitch than the XF. I'm primarily a defenseman and prefer a skate that isn't forward pitch. Are your aware of such a difference between the FT and XF?
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial what issues have you had with your Catalyst 9’s? They are on sale for super cheap during 4th of July and was thinking of trying them out for Reffing especially. I’m wearing the Ribcor 100k pros now and love them so not sure if it’s a downgrade or an upgrade to the catalyst 9?
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial that’s fair enough, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine. I’ve been looking at jumping over from my machs into the FT6 Pro’s but now the XF pros are out I will need to do some serious descision making.
Didn't learn that AC isn't common in England until recently. As a Floridian where it regularly hits 36-38C outside and with the "feels like" temp hitting 47C, we'd be dead without AC going all day long lol.
Our house don't keep the heat in during winter. And can't cool properly in summer lol brutal PS: I have AC in my house. Just never needed it in the studio
I am having a problem with my feet. My instep is very low and my ankle is narrow. Actualy I wear ccm super Tacks and I wanted to change skates due to big wear out. I have tried many skates include FT 6 pros Fit 1/ 8,5. I was liitle bit confused because I had a problem with ankle. I mean, boot fit very well, but by every step I had feeling like the ankle is taking off . The best fitting skates was CCM 100 K Tapered. I have choosen 8,5 but after time as I was wearing them I felt pain in the toe. the boots looks like small, but every skates which I tried were 8,5 no smaller. Any help which type of skates should I try ? do the issue disappear If I grab custom (3D scan) ?
Definitely try Bauer hyperlites. The ankle fits differently in a fit 1 compared to tapered jet speeds, even if in theory they should both work. Ignore marketing and try every skate in every brand
Previously I would have said maybe. Now 100% YES. XF are super easy to move into from the FT6 Pro. More volume in the forefoot and stiffer so bare that in mind.
it funny the other day on the radio I hear Billy Ocean singing Caribbean queen. At the very beginning of the song when he says "She simply awesome." It reminded me of you. Your voices are identical..but after your singing today. I think it safe to say that's as far as it goes in comparison. lol But thanks again for another good video!!
@ thank you. I have a pretty low spec ccm ft460s and can’t complain about the toe box but an upgrade is always nice and the XF’s are out of my price range.
just curious, you previously stated in another video that Step Steel was the best, but now you're stating that Bladetech is better? BTW, big fan of your page, I watch almost all your videos. Thanks for all you do!
The skates in this video are as follows. XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams. FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
@@njd624 excellent. my bantam just got into a pair of xf from an ft4. Ellipse 0 profile on 3/4 grind. Took them out for a breeze today and so far so good. He didnt push the skate too hard and its hard to get great feedback from him 🙄, but he looked good and said they are very very comfy. According to him the profile feels alittle looser in the heel at speed so coming from a zuperior xs that makes sense i guess. Says he kept his accelateration and agility and turning felt good. He"ll put them thru the paces this week at practice , but so far they are a winner. Been really happy with Ccm's overall package these last few years esp since the one piece boot and step steel came on line. Liners have held up great too comparatively. My guy is playing about 60-65 games a season and on the ice 4 to 5 times a week in season so he definately beats the hell out of his skates.
Because the weight is something anyone can Google by searching for “XF Pro skate weight” then..”FT6 Pro skate weight” normally always shown in box size 9. Not helpful if you aren’t size 9. We like to focus on the details you CAN’T Google. The skates in this video are as follows. XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams. FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial I googled it and on the icewarehouse website they give the CCM Tacks XF Pro heavier by 4g [937 grams (Size 9)] still tons more in your leg after a match than bauer skates!
The skates in this video are as follows. XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams. FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
What the hell happened with the price of skates?? the is nuts!!! $1,300CDN I'll stick with my Nike Quest 1's No one needs a spring in your skates.. what a joke..
Makes me laugh all these reviews,you go on about the huge difference in performance of both skates but to the average hockey player playing rep, beer league or some other nondescript league in the UK , they’re are not going to notice, the main thing is comfort and fit
This is the point they are missing. I had RBK skates that I payed $300 for, that were baked once, blade rockered and I skated 3 times a week, tier 1 hockey for years on those skates and loved playing hockey. Those skates finally blew up after 20 years of skating, went to get new skates and returned the first pair of CCM jet speeds I bought, and now I’m skating in a CCM tack that’s ok but still not as good as my basic RBK skates. The greatest hockey player of all time didn’t have all this nonsense in his skates, and is called the great one. I’m never playing in the NHL and I need an engineering degree to figure out how to buy a skate. Give me a $400 skate with old tuuk and rockered blade and I bet I can outplay most guys with all these new technology skates. None of my friends are willing to let go of their old skates because of the unnecessary complexity of these new skates. Make a video for basic entry level skates, it’s not hard.
Love your hat, btw 😂 I’ve got the same one but in blue.
These skates really do fit different for real. I’m a rec. skater who’s yet to still found the perfect skate fit.
This is my skate history…
First ever recommend fit in a particular skate was the reebok white k pump in sz 9ee. I have wide feet so i guess the store rep. had simply just recommended a wider fit. Lace bite killed me in these skates.
I then looked at bauer supremes because of my wide feet. Next skate i got was the supremes 140. This time i’d gotten the suitable stiffness but even in a 9d in supremes, the skate wasn’t my proper fit but at the time i wasn’t thinking about all of this.. just going on what my 1st ever fitment recommendation was.
Next, i went over to vapors simply because of the way they looked. In my mind, i wanted to collect all, if not most of the vapor x#.# skates series.
Bought the x1.0, x2.0 but i really wanted the x3.0s at that time. I did found the x3.0 later in life in a sz 8.5d… …. … game changer. They do hurt my left foot, because as i mentioned, i have weird feet. My left foot is .5 longer than my right but my right is wider than my left. The vapors x3.0 in a ee would’ve been perfect. So with that knowledge i decided to try jetspeeds, but personally comparing jetspeeds to vapors, i think jetspeeds are cut .5 inches longer than vapors. 🤷🏾♂️
I then purchased an smu skate based on the jetspeed model in a sz 9 wide, felt comfy but something told me i could’ve went more snug. Too much volume because my forefoot kept lifting to the top of the skate for support. I sent them back. Next skate was another smu in a sz 8.5 wide.. still felt like i could’ve went more snug. I should mentioned that i always felt a kind of pinching feeling on my left foot on the pinky toe in my vapor x3.0 sz 8.5d and in all the cmm skates i’d tried at that point, including a tacks as590. Now….
When i had tried on the xf 90s and 80s in store…
Smh... The Fit. Is 7:50.. when i slid the problem foot inside the skate, i had this smile on “😏” but picture the emoji looking down for like 30 secs. The store rep. helping me out sounded muffled and far away like he was on an island like “how’s the fit.. ?” I was smiling from the ear to ear to like 😊 “…they feel great” i was even able to go down .5 inch more. Initially I was laughing at the hype over the 652 tacks reviews but after revisiting the mighty ducks 2, nostalgia hit me and i had to hop on the train. 😅😅
I picked up the 652 in a sz 8. Perfect fit 👌🏾 now i don’t even think i wanna rebuy those smu jetspeeds anymore because i know the new jetspeeds coming out are gonna get the new toe cap treatment too. Im gonna go ahead and call em the ft8 series. 🙂
thanks for this review! got a pair - true, - absolute awesome skate!! (by the way, the 'what is different..' - you threw in - very cool and natural - keep it up!)
Haha thank you! Much appreciated
When getting a custom XF Pro is the foodbed adaption already integrated into the skate?
Hope the new liners are more durable. As an average skilled skating 46 year old beer leaguer, my 100k Pro liners are tearing in multiple spots. My 100k Pros are fantastic skates, but skating once or twice a week tops for the last year and half, i'd have never expected to see my liners having tears and holes in them with minimal use.
Same for me.
thank you for the detailed review. This wasn't covered - is the height of both boots the same or FT6 is taller?
Boot height is same, right? And also same pitch (angle), givin mainly by XS holder. Same stiffness, the boot width is given by fit system. So the real skating difference will be... more heel-lock in XF? That's not much to justify 2 different skate lines. The upgrade with toe-cup inner "bumples" removing sounds great!!! And more forefoot volume is Top!
My old Tacks (9070s) started to break down but didn't have the money to buy new so I ended up getting a second hand pair of Vapor 3X Pros. I feel like I am skating better in the 3X Pros so the questions are:
As I understand the skating style is different Tacks to Vapors, where Vapors are more akin to Jetspeed. So if I go back to CCM would I be better getting Jetspeed?
Do you think the difference is more related to the fact that at the time of the 3X Pros coming out they were top of the line where the 9070s were always a mid level skate?
The 2nd hand skates are an interim solution until I can afford new skates, what range do you think would be better to look at as the next skate?
Thanks
Hockey Tutorial, I appreciate all your reviews. Can you do one on your take of Marsblade skate blades?
Can you do more reviews on intermediate or cheaper gear? Im trying not to break the bank while also trying not to break the gear. Also, can you do a video on youth hockey equipment and prices? Lots of people do it but everything is confusing and contradicts itself.
Coming from a vapor fit 1 , would you recommend the XF or a Jetspeed and in what fit ? Thanks
Most likely jetspeed at a Standard or maybe Tapered fit. If you went Tacks I would definitely recommend the taper fit option. The standard width on the tacks skate is already pretty wide, especially if you’re coming from a vapor skate in a fit 1.
I've been shopping for new skates and your videos have been The Best Resource for me. I had a staff member at a local outlet explain to me that the FT had a more forward pitch than the XF. I'm primarily a defenseman and prefer a skate that isn't forward pitch. Are your aware of such a difference between the FT and XF?
Are Jetspeed XTRA Plus an older version?
@hockeytutorialofficial
Didn’t you say in your previous video that you prefer the XF over the XF Pros?
I did. That still stands. That’s a separate video coming. This is just a FT6 pro vs XF Pro.
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial what issues have you had with your Catalyst 9’s? They are on sale for super cheap during 4th of July and was thinking of trying them out for Reffing especially. I’m wearing the Ribcor 100k pros now and love them so not sure if it’s a downgrade or an upgrade to the catalyst 9?
Could you do an XF 90 vs Control comparison?
XF pro vs Bauer Shadow when they’re out?
100% !! We don’t get Bauer before launch tho 😅 we have to get them from a retail store 😢
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial that’s fair enough, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine. I’ve been looking at jumping over from my machs into the FT6 Pro’s but now the XF pros are out I will need to do some serious descision making.
I noticed the ASV Pro's lasted a little longer on ice compared to FT6 pro. But the FT6's were definitely more comfortable and responsive.
@hockeyTutorialOfficial didn’t you say that you prefer the XF, not the XF Pros in your previous video?
@@Blobber.tI'd wager the XF Pros may be a better option, but also wonder if more foam is a good thing or not.
Do the xf pro put you in a more forward pitch
Didn't learn that AC isn't common in England until recently. As a Floridian where it regularly hits 36-38C outside and with the "feels like" temp hitting 47C, we'd be dead without AC going all day long lol.
Our house don't keep the heat in during winter. And can't cool properly in summer lol brutal PS: I have AC in my house. Just never needed it in the studio
I know the instep is higher in the new tacks, but anyone know if the boot depth from ankle to heel is deeper as well?
CCM continues to make the best power skate on the market. Won't be getting the XF's because I got ASV-Pros not long ago, but man are they incredible.
What do you mean by 'power skates'? Thanks
I am having a problem with my feet. My instep is very low and my ankle is narrow. Actualy I wear ccm super Tacks and I wanted to change skates due to big wear out. I have tried many skates include FT 6 pros Fit 1/ 8,5. I was liitle bit confused because I had a problem with ankle. I mean, boot fit very well, but by every step I had feeling like the ankle is taking off . The best fitting skates was CCM 100 K Tapered. I have choosen 8,5 but after time as I was wearing them I felt pain in the toe. the boots looks like small, but every skates which I tried were 8,5 no smaller. Any help which type of skates should I try ? do the issue disappear If I grab custom (3D scan) ?
Definitely try Bauer hyperlites. The ankle fits differently in a fit 1 compared to tapered jet speeds, even if in theory they should both work. Ignore marketing and try every skate in every brand
Do the tacks xf pro vs the Bauer shadow!
Do you think a FT6 Pro user can transition to a Tracks FX easily or is the difference too great
Previously I would have said maybe. Now 100% YES. XF are super easy to move into from the FT6 Pro. More volume in the forefoot and stiffer so bare that in mind.
it funny the other day on the radio I hear Billy Ocean singing Caribbean queen. At the very beginning of the song when he says "She simply awesome." It reminded me of you. Your voices are identical..but after your singing today. I think it safe to say that's as far as it goes in comparison. lol But thanks again for another good video!!
Do you guys know if the toe box shape change transfers to XF90’s or is it only in the top specs?
Only the XF and XF Pros have the new toe box. I just looked into this myself before pulling the trigger on the XFs.
@ thank you. I have a pretty low spec ccm ft460s and can’t complain about the toe box but an upgrade is always nice and the XF’s are out of my price range.
@@xkukubax The XF90 skates are also damn nice for the price point.
@@jeremyp111 thanks Jeremy for your input. I think 2025 might be the year of new skates and XF90’s are on the top of my list.
Will y’all be receiving the True Catalyst 9X4 when it releases?
Before.. can’t wait to drop that video 👀
@@HockeyTutorialOfficialAwesome! Love the singing btw 🎶 😂
I’m like a fit 2.5 in Bauer skates which obviously doesn’t exist, so I’m hoping the new tacks are the answer to my prayers lol
Do you mention the weight difference?
Found the answer in the comments!
Please XF pro vs Shadow
@hockeytutorial
The xf pro are amazing
is jetspeed better than vapor? I'm buying a new pair soon
Nothing is better than vapor..if you have the right shaped feet for them
just curious, you previously stated in another video that Step Steel was the best, but now you're stating that Bladetech is better? BTW, big fan of your page, I watch almost all your videos. Thanks for all you do!
Weight?
What’s the weight difference?
The skates in this video are as follows.
XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams.
FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams
The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
Shit makes no sense to me.. how is the toe cap smaller on the skate with more volume? Like, why??
Have these both on order for my son that is in a junior size! Will be a blind fold fitting lol.
Which skate did he choose?
Was a very easy choice for him. XF Pros, 100%.
@@njd624 excellent. my bantam just got into a pair of xf from an ft4. Ellipse 0 profile on 3/4 grind. Took them out for a breeze today and so far so good. He didnt push the skate too hard and its hard to get great feedback from him 🙄, but he looked good and said they are very very comfy. According to him the profile feels alittle looser in the heel at speed so coming from a zuperior xs that makes sense i guess. Says he kept his accelateration and agility and turning felt good. He"ll put them thru the paces this week at practice , but so far they are a winner. Been really happy with Ccm's overall package these last few years esp since the one piece boot and step steel came on line. Liners have held up great too comparatively. My guy is playing about 60-65 games a season and on the ice 4 to 5 times a week in season so he definately beats the hell out of his skates.
Why are skate blades called runners?
Why doesn't STEP change their name to GLIDE?
Weight please! the ft6 pro were 100g heavier per skate than the mach (7 fit2) ! How can you forget to mention the weight?
Yes, definitely felt the extra weight when upgrading from the AS3 Pros
@@aborum75 Yes it's madness, after a full game we are talking tons more lifted with the ft6 pro compared to the Mach. Weight is a key feature!
Because the weight is something anyone can Google by searching for “XF Pro skate weight” then..”FT6 Pro skate weight” normally always shown in box size 9. Not helpful if you aren’t size 9. We like to focus on the details you CAN’T Google.
The skates in this video are as follows.
XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams.
FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams
The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
a few grams should make no difference if you aren’t skipping leg day at the gym…. 🤷🏾♂️
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial I googled it and on the icewarehouse website they give the CCM Tacks XF Pro heavier by 4g [937 grams (Size 9)] still tons more in your leg after a match than bauer skates!
🔥🔥🔥
How's the weight on these?
The skates in this video are as follows.
XF Pro size 7.5 (box size) 909 grams.
FT6 Pro 7.5 (box size) 935 grams
The weight can be so subjective as no two pairs of skates (the same size) can be the same weight. But I hope this helps.
Jofa Company still alive?
Thank god they changed the toe cap
Cheered me up after game 7 :(
Glad we could help. Sorry….
Go Panthers 🫣after spending time with Ekbald. I can’t help it. Stand up guy 🙌🏾
Skates have become so technologically advanced that it’s hard to make me seek anything new. My Son’s Ribcor skates are still killing it
ribcor 76k and 78k still the best for me.
Lesley Mall
What the hell happened with the price of skates?? the is nuts!!! $1,300CDN I'll stick with my Nike Quest 1's No one needs a spring in your skates.. what a joke..
First one
Second
Jofa!!
Makes me laugh all these reviews,you go on about the huge difference in performance of both skates but to the average hockey player playing rep, beer league or some other nondescript league in the UK , they’re are not going to notice, the main thing is comfort and fit
This is the point they are missing. I had RBK skates that I payed $300 for, that were baked once, blade rockered and I skated 3 times a week, tier 1 hockey for years on those skates and loved playing hockey.
Those skates finally blew up after 20 years of skating, went to get new skates and returned the first pair of CCM jet speeds I bought, and now I’m skating in a CCM tack that’s ok but still not as good as my basic RBK skates.
The greatest hockey player of all time didn’t have all this nonsense in his skates, and is called the great one.
I’m never playing in the NHL and I need an engineering degree to figure out how to buy a skate.
Give me a $400 skate with old tuuk and rockered blade and I bet I can outplay most guys with all these new technology skates.
None of my friends are willing to let go of their old skates because of the unnecessary complexity of these new skates.
Make a video for basic entry level skates, it’s not hard.