Helpful discussion, thank you. My husband and I recently left our Presbyterian church after sixteen years because of leadership restructuring to support an emerging egalitarian position. I need to add that this is in Australia. We are worshipping at another Presbyterian church that upholds the plain meaning of Scripture and has male elders. Women there read the Bible from the front and, now and then, are invited to lead prayers. I find that I support that model despite personal reservations as to women reading and leading prayers and wonder if as well as Eph.5, I Tim 2, and I Cor 14, Romans 14 has a bearing. I esteem the Reformers and Puritans, reading R.C Sproul and Dr D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones was pivotal for me. I lead Bible teaching in small groups when invited and take the Titus 2 mandate seriously. I've found the Kellers, John Piper and Wayne Grudem each helpful but have struggled with lines being drawn that square-off with cultural preferences too readily at points. (I studied for a Liberal Arts Degree to begin with so was early introduced to Feminist and Marxist thought as a young Christian: it helps me now to recognise error since nothing is wasted in the Divine Economy. My plea to all Christians is do read the Scriptures and the Creeds and Confessions to be convinced and convicted and understand the "Good fight of faith" battle fronts - Ephesians 6).
I would recommend Zachs' first book, Masculine Christianity. It talks about women teaching/leading in church. Women are not permitted to do those things in church. I hate to say it, but if your new church is already caving into feminism there it's just a matter of time before they start preaching, already halfway there. Perhaps you could recommend these books to your elders.
Thank you so much for this interview. Much needed today. Satan seems to be attacking the home and God's design for it in increasingly intense ways. We need righteous ministers to speak up and take every thought captive to obedience to Christ - even if it costs us social points.
Interesting discussion. What’s left out is this is more of a middle class discussion when it comes to the sphere outside of the home and church. Poor women must work, as well as widows. Wouldn’t you hope that they had protections and rights in the workplace?
I don’t know why people are surprised about Tim Keller. He obviously was a huge influence in the Christian world, but he became more progressive as he grew older. I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water, but it’s hard for me to listen to him. I keep hearing things about Greear and I can’t listen to him either. We were in a church for a few years that I would now consider “woke”, so I am always on high alert it for heresy.
1 Tim 2 never mentions the church and appeals to creation, so I'd encourage Knox's view on limiting leadership to men in every sphere. This was also the culture of the Jews at Paul's time -- helps to color in the lines.
I'm glad to see you guys have Mr. Garris on the show. Both of his books are great! Every christian should read them.
Love the book! I’m thankful for Zach’s work
Zach is a gutsy guy standing for Bible truth, and we must support him staunchly!
Helpful discussion, thank you. My husband and I recently left our Presbyterian church after sixteen years because of leadership restructuring to support an emerging egalitarian position. I need to add that this is in Australia. We are worshipping at another Presbyterian church that upholds the plain meaning of Scripture and has male elders. Women there read the Bible from the front and, now and then, are invited to lead prayers. I find that I support that model despite personal reservations as to women reading and leading prayers and wonder if as well as Eph.5, I Tim 2, and I Cor 14, Romans 14 has a bearing. I esteem the Reformers and Puritans, reading R.C Sproul and Dr D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones was pivotal for me. I lead Bible teaching in small groups when invited and take the Titus 2 mandate seriously. I've found the Kellers, John Piper and Wayne Grudem each helpful but have struggled with lines being drawn that square-off with cultural preferences too readily at points. (I studied for a Liberal Arts Degree to begin with so was early introduced to Feminist and Marxist thought as a young Christian: it helps me now to recognise error since nothing is wasted in the Divine Economy. My plea to all Christians is do read the Scriptures and the Creeds and Confessions to be convinced and convicted and understand the "Good fight of faith" battle fronts - Ephesians 6).
I would recommend Zachs' first book, Masculine Christianity. It talks about women teaching/leading in church. Women are not permitted to do those things in church. I hate to say it, but if your new church is already caving into feminism there it's just a matter of time before they start preaching, already halfway there. Perhaps you could recommend these books to your elders.
Thank you so much for this interview. Much needed today. Satan seems to be attacking the home and God's design for it in increasingly intense ways. We need righteous ministers to speak up and take every thought captive to obedience to Christ - even if it costs us social points.
It's true. Footnotes > end notes.
Interesting discussion. What’s left out is this is more of a middle class discussion when it comes to the sphere outside of the home and church. Poor women must work, as well as widows. Wouldn’t you hope that they had protections and rights in the workplace?
My older sister is a feminist, and they have ridiculous ideas !!! She's also a neo-Buddhist atheist. I'm a born-again Christian.
My older brother is a homosexual agnostic...
@@goosieschmoo8239 that's awful I hope God takes his heart of stone and gives him a heart of flesh
I hope the Lord opens her eyes to the truth 🙏
@@Jo-ji1yf thank you ♥
I don’t know why people are surprised about Tim Keller. He obviously was a huge influence in the Christian world, but he became more progressive as he grew older. I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water, but it’s hard for me to listen to him. I keep hearing things about Greear and I can’t listen to him either. We were in a church for a few years that I would now consider “woke”, so I am always on high alert it for heresy.
1 Tim 2 never mentions the church and appeals to creation, so I'd encourage Knox's view on limiting leadership to men in every sphere. This was also the culture of the Jews at Paul's time -- helps to color in the lines.