Nobody told me FX is the latest version so here i was going for the FX3 tables instead, i spent approx. 75 dollars already on the FX3 tables and fortunately i got some for the FX version as well. So with the free tables i have 9 for FX and 38 for FX3.
Just take your time transitioning over if you spent a lot of $ on FX3. They automatically discount any FX3 tables you owned in Steam (maybe 50%? scroll to see that repurchased price) so just wait for sales. Most of the tables I bought again cost about $1-2 each. But DLC bundles may make tables MORE expensive if you go that route so buy them on sale, individually.
Good advice but I actually have the opposite problem, I own all the Pinball FX tables but the small group of my community members who own tables own the FX3 version so we aren't on the same leaderboards since I don't have any FX3 duplicates myself. I have a video I am currently editing that goes more into the pricing and table value that also explains why I suddenly have all the tables. Should be out soon.
Waiting on a sale. I have FX3 on Playstation and Xbox, for FX on PS5 (or Xbox Series) you have to rebuy everything. Full price bundles cost way too much.
Pinball FX seems to have very frequent sales, there were just two back to back. Nov 22nd every table was on sale 66%, Dec 6th almost every table except the brand new ones were something like 75% off and they have a habit of rotating sales on random tables and packs on Steam every month or so, so at least so it's worth it to be patient.
@@JeffersonRedeyes, thanks much, seems I just missed these sales windows. I just found out about the "new" FX version. Thanks for this video. I'm surprised of myself how much I like this. I was never into real pinballs in the arcades. Always thought they were lame compared with videogames.
@@FrogSpl4sh I am slowly releasing table reviews and one day I'll organize my channel and get all of the pinball stuff into the dedicated playlist. I'm kind of doing a lot with PalWorld at the moment but the Pinball Stuff will continue until I have reviewed every table in FX, FX3 and Pinball M because I love exploring all of these different tables. One of the planned videos is going to be talking about someone who keeps popping up in my table reviews named Kuddly Dragon who is another streamer I know who never played pinball before I got him the Dead by Daylight table for his birthday. He keeps beating my scores and he's making his own video about how he likes pinball way more than he ever expected and he really doesn't do scripted video content, he just really wants to talk about pinball and he has been introducing his friends to pinball with much the same reaction. One of the videos I am currently editing about the price of the tables from a value perspective and at the end of that one I also discuss what I see as a barely tapped market of potential players in his age group who grew up while pinball was practically dead.
I have started to warm up to the Williams tables. I have been practicing TNG and Bride of Pinbot to review those tables and I have for more respect for their design through that experience.
Overall, I actually love the Williams tables. I just love the feel of them and the way they respond. I have them on Pinball Arcade as well as Pinball FX.
Vid just popped up in my feed, so took a look. Glad you actually reviewed what playing the games are like, what they look like, and made mention of various challenges. Because that's the actual game, as opposed to reviews that are all about the price. Now, about that... Anyone who bought tables in FX2 was able to carry those over into FX3, on the same gaming platform. No, you couldn't have it on PS3 and then expect it to carry over on Steam, but PS3 to PS3, no problem. People then expected this to happen with FX3 -> PinFX and were pissed when it didn't. Here's the thing, any time a game moves to a new system, that requires new contracts with license holders, and guess who also wants new revenue?? This is on top of developer costs of not just switching platforms, but switching actual engines as Zen went from using their own game engine to using Unreal. So this isn't just Zen trying to take yet another bite of the apple, keeping their license partners happy is also a major component. And purchases made for FX3 didn't disappear, the game is still playable, it just is no longer getting new tables (because again, different game engine). As for purchasing the same titles 3 different times? Like I said, it was a free upgrade going from FX2 to FX3. Shoot, on my PS3 where I played Zen pinball, Zen 2 came out (same game as FX2 on Xbox, just different name) and my purchases transferred into that, which then transferred into FX3. There was a game called The Pinball Arcade that used to have 60+ Williams titles, but that was by a different studio so maybe they purchased there and then when Zen got the Williams license they counted that as yet another purchase? But again, why would a different studio's Medieval Madness recreation entitle you to owning it with Zen? Of course you'd have to make that purchase again! Anyway, welcome back to digital pinball. The addiction is real. And hands down, Zen's best original is Aliens (which currently is only available on FX3 but should eventually make it's way into PinFX)
I already have another script finished talking about the cost breakdown of the tables but that's some good info about the licensing side of things which isn't a topic I even thought to mention. I actually mentioned Aliens briefly in the video I released today about Dead By Daylight pinball and how both Pinball FX/M and DBD are amazing at theming licensed properties for their games and as an example I mentioned how both games include Chucky and the Alien. Thank you for the complement, figuring out how to talk about pinball was kind of difficult and very different from the way I review other games and I'm sure there is still a ton of terminology I don't know yet. I wasn't sure if I was even going to be good enough to experience enough of the tables to properly explain the experience but I'm starting to learn the various shots and I have started finishing modes on some tables. I plan on going through and reviewing all of the tables in FX and M but only after I have spent enough time with each table to understand it. I'm a lot more interested in making informative videos than trying to do it fast or doing uninformed hot takes and that takes a little more time and effort. Cheers.
I for one agree, Infinity Gauntlet is one of the best originals that exist of all of Zen's catalog. We'll see more remasters down the road, and hoping to see a load more features that would otherwise have been difficult under FX3. Great review.
Enjoying the upgrade to pinball fx. Have just bought the Addams family table and the Williams collection 1. Haven’t tried them a great deal yet but my main issue so far is not with the tables but with the software itself. For me, it’s a pain I can’t seem to set the default camera to what I want, also the volume for the Menus seems way higher than the tables volume. Also I can’t quite confirm it but there does seem to be a fraction of lag once or twice when playing. I get some of the complaints about having to rebuy tables but most of the ones I bought aren’t even on the new one (Bethesda and walking dead tables for example, and the biggest crime…no portal table 😢)
I'm not entirely sure about this but I think ball velocity might be tied to framerate in some fashion, I believe this is the reason the ball gets stuck in Duke Nukem (PinballM) and I have noticed some complaints about minor lag issues so it's not in your head. I don't know about the volume but I believer there is a way to set a custom camera angle on each table when you have chosen a table but before you start a game. I just went and checked and in the lower right corner you should see a list of commands, on Keyboard the button for manual camera is "Y" it is most likely different with a controller.
@@JeffersonRedeyesgood to know I’m not mad 😂 to be honest I’ve only played a couple of games so far. I’m playing on a series x and other than the few niggles it’s a good upgrade at least visually over fx3
I am elated that they are doing Deep Space Nine being my favorite series. I really couldn't care less about the kelvin timeline or Discovery. That being said I expect to enjoy the pinball tables far more than I do Disc or Kelvinverse which is how I feel about certain Star Wars tables.
I am new here and I want to get PinballFX. I have saved up planning to buy all the DLC tables. Now because I didn't own the previous game PinballFX3 and this next one is my first one, if I purchased all the DLC's and threre are updated patches for the tables, do I have to rebuy them over again?
One you buy a table you own it. The same was true of previous Pinball FX games as well, even if you own the table and Pinball FX loses the license to sell more of that specific table you own you still get to keep that table. I want to say the Pinball FX 3 Archer table isn't available anymore but since I already own it I will always own it and PinballWizard35b still owns all of the tables he's ever bought for every version of Pinball FX so you don't have to worry about paying twice.
@@JeffersonRedeyes can I also ask you a question; will there be more pinball tables coming soon to pay for? Will there always be more? How much more money can I possibly save? I want to get all 116 different pinball table machines (111 from PinballFX and 6 from Pinball M) but if there is going to be more in the future, we'll have an endless amount of pinball tables to play and I will have to spend more money Should I just get the 116 pinball tables now what I saved up for and buy future table content later on?
@@isaacheres1354 if you are on PC there are frequent sales on Steam. They are much less frequent on PC. They seem to come out with several new tables a year but I don't have any inside connection telling me their business plans so I only know what they post in Pinball Bytes on YT and updates through the steam page. Buy whatever you are comfortable with whenever you feel like buying them. I got almost all my tables on sale but I also make Pinball FX content so it's in my personal best interest to buy the tables immediately to make reviews and guides.
Here’s how I get around having to re-buy the previous tables. I only buy the new tables I don’t have on the new FX version. The previous tables play great on FX3 version, simple as that. I can’t tell the difference between versions in FX3 and FX, so works for me. I don’t understand why anyone feels they have to buy the same tables again, just play them on the previous version.
If you can't tell the difference between FX and FX3 you might be playing in normal mode which mimics the physics of FX3. Set a table to realistic physics and it's a whole new ball game... so to speak. I am actually going to demonstrate this in my Xena and Pacific Rim table guides because both tables have very anemic left orbit shots if you're playing in normal physics but the ball rolls straight up the ramps smooth as can be with realistic physics and the ball almost never gets rejected from the ramp. Pinball FX can mimic FX3's physics; but FX3 can't mimic FX's physics and I can notice an immediate and very welcome change to the ball movement when I use realistic physics.
FX2 owner here, we had our purchases transferred once. I've heard some third parties didn't agree a second time. Those who have incompleted FX2 collections had the game pulled from the store without warning, so that's partially why FX3 still exists today. The Legacy Bundles are built for us in mind, especially with the stacked discounts during sales. However, there's a bit of a double edged sword in play. Newcomers technically get BOTH for cheaper, and if FX doesn't end up running well on a lower-end build, there's FX3 to fall back on. If you're focused on FX as a newer player, though, and you have the power to handle FX, stick with FX.
I've been playing some playstation pinball at a friend's and when coming home looking for what's available on PC i stumbled over FX3. However that was 1 month before FX started it's initial early access so besides the 1 pack i bought by then (WMS monster pack, in a sale) i didn't have to rebuy anything luckily (and to be fair: Zen was pretty generous when it came to transitioning from early access to release, completing all then transformed into packages from the individual tables we purchased during EA). I was addicted from the get go, but as a simmer by heart and a gamer by nature, i gravitate more towards the WMS tables. It's funny how i usually like the ultra complex side of gaming, but something as "simple" as pinball can catch my attention that much - because it's just so well made. Great review, but desperately was waiting for your comparison between FX Machine: Bride of Pinbot and what you remember how it felt in real life.. Would love to hear about that still.
I just reinstalled the game again today. I noticed a large uptick in views on Pinball FX and looked at the steam page and there is a ton of stuff to talk about and I will probably be done editing that video tomorrow. I wound up grabbing a bunch of tables I didn't own because of the current sale so I'm planning on working on videos for the individual tables. I stream so sometimes I need to clear hard drive space, I believe Starfield forced me to uninstall Pinball FX for space but I don't currently have any 100gb+ games installed right now so I had room to come back to the pinball.
If I buy PinballFX and get the DLC pinball tables on the PS4 and then 2 months later I plan to get a PS5, would I be able to keep the pinball game and downloadable tables by transfering all games from one console to the next or do I have to rebuy them all again on the PS5? I'm confused, what happens If I get some DLC tables now on the PS4 and then get the rest of the pinball tables to complete the library after I get a PS5, will I be able to continue to purchase the other DLC pinball tables that I didn't get on the PS4 or is it better that I wait two months and get ALL of the pinball tables on the PS5?
I have no experience with the game on consoles but I assume it works by account so it your PS4 and PS5 PSN account are the same then theoretically you should have access to the tables on both systems. If the PS4 and PS5 have different account systems that don't talk to each other then you would have to rebuy the tables but I assume PSN accounts are global and include both systems meaning you should have access to the tables but again I know nothing about the console versions of Pinball FX, only PC.
I think it is interesting that a company has to spend like hundred of thousands dollars remastering games with higher fidelity graphics and physics, and people expect to get it for free? Does that sound like a good business decision? Do the developers not deserve to get paid? You still have your old game, and you can try the new game at first to see if it is worth it. If it is worth the price to you, you buy it, if not you pass. Not sure why this is a controversial.
Watch out for the over hyped Indiana Jones table, just a fair warning, go for the Williams World Cup soccer table, or the Twilight Zone table instead if purchasing expensive single tables, just my take on it. I also think the Attack on Mars table stands out a bit, it´s hard even after a little longer time, a week or so, to evaluate them all but the Williams tables i naturally go for. There´s for sure some irritating little things with Pinball FX that could have been fixed by now, like the mouse pointer being present on the screen while playing for no good reason, key setting resetting to default after a restart and also entering a Tournament play before the time is out but because the time for the tournament ran out during your game play you´re not able to enter the tournament score table when you´re finished with your game, Zen fix it, (fix your prices as well down a bit).
You're fair warning prompted me to buy the table, I got it on a discount because I had bought something else like Jurassic park and they were part of a pack deal. I only played a little if the Indy table since I'm still working on reviewing other tables and since I started streaming Marvel's Midnight Suns all of the related character tables suddenly moved up in priority. Since the game focuses on iron man, dr strange, spiderman, venom, deadpool, Blade and so many other characters that actually have Pinball FX tables it's just a really good time for me to spend more time checking them out since I'm already geeking out on a really good marvel story/game. Something about the table design for Indiana Jones immediately irritated me but in general I enjoyed the couple of games I played on it so far.
Thanks so much for the heads up… I realized this and in getting started I’m a sucker for Monster Mash since a local place has a working machine. Clearly I see and remember many of these machines and like the fantastic ones ❤
I bought the starwars tables. Certain tables after a certain amount of time, or hitting certain stages, the ball(ONLY) the ball drops its framerate and starts chopping and it is enough to make me want to throw my controller.
@@JeffersonRedeyes well that’s weird I just started playing today and everytime I start the game I have to wait for it to sync data and it’s takes forever. I literally prepped and cooked dinner for my family and it was still syncing lol
@@zachcook1185 I found this thread where they are talking about long load times and specifically synch issues but I haven't seen any kind of solution so far www.reddit.com/r/PinballFX3/comments/17x4frz/load_times_for_fx_are_too_damn_high/
@@JeffersonRedeyes yeah was just reading those comments I think I’ll reach out to the company and see why there isn’t a fix happening if it’s happening to enough people then I’d think it’s a big issue I mean I was pretty excited to play I even bought some extra tables before the game was even finished downloading and then went to play and after waiting so long for it to sync I instantly wanted my money back for the dlc I purchased
I don't know how it works on console but on PC the base game is free and there are some free tables and there are daily and weekly challenges where you can play tables you don't own but other than that you have to buy the individual tables or collection of tables. On PC they cycle through table discounts so right now the Garfield and My Little Pony tables are $2 and next week or month it should be 2 different tables on sale, not sure if that applies to consoles.
I felt like I had to address the expense complaint but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify complaining. The tables cycle through sales and were recently on 66% discount so most of the tables ranged from about $2 to $4 and with some bundles $4 got you a set of tables. It was Bride of Pinbot who reminded me of the real math. It cost 1 quarter to play and full price on steam it's $5.50 which equates to 21 plays on the real life table. So for $5.50 you get the table, the enhanced visuals and unlimited play. Given that it costs a dollar per play for new pinball tables even the most expensive original tables on Pinball FX are a bargain at full price because that $15 only equates to 15 plays on the arcade machines whereas that $15 grants the player unlimited access in Pinball FX. The in-game currency is still basically a scam though
I would probably pass on this cause of how scummy the microtransactions are, and I'm not really into pinball games. 🤷 Interesting to see how these games work though.
It costs 150 coins for 30 days of the pinball pass thing that gives you everything for free, people complaining because they’re old and don’t understand the video game industry is more expensive and micro transactions based now
"and don’t understand the video game industry is more expensive and micro transactions based now" Why would I find it any more acceptable because all of the scumbag companies are doing it? I won't play Blizzard games specifically because their games are getting objectively worse at the same time they're getting more expensive. Some of my favorite games this year have cost under $20 and have no live service model or microtransactions so please don't try to pretend these practices should be expected or accepted. Know why there isn't a subscription service in Pinball M? Because it was always a terrible idea and it upsets the customer base. For the love of the elder gods Silent Hill Ascension has a battlepass and that's barely even a game. Wanna know how I know people hated the coin subscription service? Because if it was successful they would have put it in their new game but it wasn't, it was offensive and not worth the negative impact it would have on the fanbase. What better way to tell your customers exactly how much you hate them by offering less for more?
@@JeffersonRedeyes a subscription based model fits a arcade style game 10x better than multiple dlcs, (not to mention you can still buy the dlcs alone and they go on sale all the time) I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game for long periods, buy the maps I really like and don’t complain about such trivial things?
@@whywouldeye I broke down the cost of subscription vs the cost of just outright buying the tables you like in the video and the subscription is a substantially worse deal. "I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game" So for that same $20 you can buy at least 12 tables on sale right now and never have to pay to play those 12 tables ever again. Lets say you only paid for 4 months of the subscription, that's $80 or roughly 48 tables or more because some of the tables are under $2 as I type this. So you're going to tell me that spending $80 for 4 months of play is somehow a better value than outright purchasing more than half the tables and being able to play them as much as you want whenever you want???? Do the math, there are currently 4 tables not on sale totaling $35, subtract that from the ADD ALL DLC option of $183 and you know all of the other tables cost a combined price of $147, subtract 4 months of subscription which is $80 and you are left with just $67 to complete your collection excepting brand new tables. What else costs roughly $60? 3 more months of subscriptions. For the same price as 8 months of subscription you could own every single table that came out before the last update RIGHT NOW and play them as often as you want or you can pay that exact same amount and own nothing at all. Don't pretend this is a good value.
@MOFAZRE Subscription is bad. This is because the game is never really yours. It's rented. Better to buy the table outright. Then it's yours for keeps
You don't like garfield because you are a little kid. Adults like it because we grew up watching garfield. You are just a child, so you don't understand... You prob want a blues clues table or barney... Maybe a dora the explora table or something, I dunno
I'm 45 dumbass. I grew up with GI Joe, He Man and Transformers and yes I grew up watching Garfield too. I hate Garfield because all he is anymore is crass soulless marketing gimmick designed by Jim Davis by his own admission only to sell plushies unlike Calvin and Hobbs who were designed to be Calvin and Hobbs because Bill Waterson never once considered ruining the integrity of his work by turning it into merch and that's why his comic still holds up while Garfield Minus Garfield is somehow better that Garfield with Garfield and all they do it erase the main character from the original panels because Garfield is such a one note character he doesn't even need to exist in his own comic. 'As Davis himself stated in a 1982 interview with the Washington Post, Garfield was nothing more than “a conscious effort to come up with a good, marketable character.” ' 'With the character and his personality more or less set, Davis came up with, as Chris Suellentrop from Slate so eloquently put it, “a stable of recurring, repetitive jokes for the cat”, that he could recycle endlessly, allowing him to churn out Garfield comics with as little effort as possible, which is amazingly fitting if you think about it." www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2018/08/when-a-marketer-invents-a-comic-the-story-of-garfield/ I love that shit as a kid, I had all the Garfield full color books, I watched Garfield and Friends, I watched all the holiday specials and not a damn bit of that personality or backstory made it into the pinball table or the shitty kart racing games. I hate Garfield BECAUSE I GREW THE FUCK UP and realized Garfield exists only as a marketing tool to shill garbage to children, you absolute doorknob. Clearly you never grew up because you're upset that someone doesn't like the same shit you do even though the rest of the world has figured it out it was never anything more that a soulless marketing tool and moved on with their lives but with that being said I'd play the hell out of a Dora the Explora table or Lazy Town or Blues Clues or Spongebob if it was anywhere near as good as the my Little Pony table because that table is really fun while the Garfield table is boring, poorly laid out and confusing because all of the lights blink literally all of the time instead of when the lanes are active.
Pinball FX just looks so cheesy to me with the fake ball trail motion blur effect and the ball itself doesn't look metallic at all. There is some kind of blurriness to all the graphics.. Or maybe its just this video for some of that'? Either way noway I can look past how bad the ball and it's motion trail blur effect looks.
Pinball FX is easily the best looking Pinball game outside of Demon's Tilt and Zenotilt and Pinball Wicked with the major problem for every other game I mentioned being that they are all single table games (Wicked will have more tables but there is just the 1 for now). I tried playing Pinball Arcade but I hate the menus and UI in that game and it runs at about 1/5th the speed it should. I was going to try to turn off V-synch which was what was screwing with Pinball FX before but wouldn't you know it, the UI is so bad I couldn't even find the graphics options. Like it or not Pinball FX/M are the current top of the line in virtual pinball. The problems I had with Pinball Arcade are probably the reason Williams yanked it's tables from there to put into FX.
People complaining about having to pay for new tables on the upgraded Engine are such cowards and losers. The jump to Unreal Engine 5 isn't easy, and it isn't the click of a button. It runs smoother, looks better, and will be a foundation for the future of the game.
PinballWiz, I look it up and just see it's running on Unreal Engine 5 for the update. Very conflicting information when I looked it up again. I'll take your word for it that only one table runs on UE5. @@pinballwiz45b
I plan on doing a more in depth cost analysis of the tables in the near future. Whenever I can keep myself from spending all day playing Pinball M or the new FX Star Trek.
Nobody told me FX is the latest version so here i was going for the FX3 tables instead, i spent approx. 75 dollars already on the FX3 tables and fortunately i got some for the FX version as well. So with the free tables i have 9 for FX and 38 for FX3.
Just take your time transitioning over if you spent a lot of $ on FX3. They automatically discount any FX3 tables you owned in Steam (maybe 50%? scroll to see that repurchased price) so just wait for sales. Most of the tables I bought again cost about $1-2 each. But DLC bundles may make tables MORE expensive if you go that route so buy them on sale, individually.
Good advice but I actually have the opposite problem, I own all the Pinball FX tables but the small group of my community members who own tables own the FX3 version so we aren't on the same leaderboards since I don't have any FX3 duplicates myself.
I have a video I am currently editing that goes more into the pricing and table value that also explains why I suddenly have all the tables. Should be out soon.
Waiting on a sale. I have FX3 on Playstation and Xbox, for FX on PS5 (or Xbox Series) you have to rebuy everything. Full price bundles cost way too much.
Pinball FX seems to have very frequent sales, there were just two back to back. Nov 22nd every table was on sale 66%, Dec 6th almost every table except the brand new ones were something like 75% off and they have a habit of rotating sales on random tables and packs on Steam every month or so, so at least so it's worth it to be patient.
@@JeffersonRedeyes, thanks much, seems I just missed these sales windows. I just found out about the "new" FX version. Thanks for this video. I'm surprised of myself how much I like this. I was never into real pinballs in the arcades. Always thought they were lame compared with videogames.
@@FrogSpl4sh I am slowly releasing table reviews and one day I'll organize my channel and get all of the pinball stuff into the dedicated playlist. I'm kind of doing a lot with PalWorld at the moment but the Pinball Stuff will continue until I have reviewed every table in FX, FX3 and Pinball M because I love exploring all of these different tables.
One of the planned videos is going to be talking about someone who keeps popping up in my table reviews named Kuddly Dragon who is another streamer I know who never played pinball before I got him the Dead by Daylight table for his birthday. He keeps beating my scores and he's making his own video about how he likes pinball way more than he ever expected and he really doesn't do scripted video content, he just really wants to talk about pinball and he has been introducing his friends to pinball with much the same reaction.
One of the videos I am currently editing about the price of the tables from a value perspective and at the end of that one I also discuss what I see as a barely tapped market of potential players in his age group who grew up while pinball was practically dead.
The Williams tables have a more realistic physics engine. You can choose which engine you want in the options.
I have started to warm up to the Williams tables. I have been practicing TNG and Bride of Pinbot to review those tables and I have for more respect for their design through that experience.
Overall, I actually love the Williams tables. I just love the feel of them and the way they respond. I have them on Pinball Arcade as well as Pinball FX.
Vid just popped up in my feed, so took a look. Glad you actually reviewed what playing the games are like, what they look like, and made mention of various challenges. Because that's the actual game, as opposed to reviews that are all about the price. Now, about that...
Anyone who bought tables in FX2 was able to carry those over into FX3, on the same gaming platform. No, you couldn't have it on PS3 and then expect it to carry over on Steam, but PS3 to PS3, no problem. People then expected this to happen with FX3 -> PinFX and were pissed when it didn't. Here's the thing, any time a game moves to a new system, that requires new contracts with license holders, and guess who also wants new revenue?? This is on top of developer costs of not just switching platforms, but switching actual engines as Zen went from using their own game engine to using Unreal. So this isn't just Zen trying to take yet another bite of the apple, keeping their license partners happy is also a major component. And purchases made for FX3 didn't disappear, the game is still playable, it just is no longer getting new tables (because again, different game engine).
As for purchasing the same titles 3 different times? Like I said, it was a free upgrade going from FX2 to FX3. Shoot, on my PS3 where I played Zen pinball, Zen 2 came out (same game as FX2 on Xbox, just different name) and my purchases transferred into that, which then transferred into FX3. There was a game called The Pinball Arcade that used to have 60+ Williams titles, but that was by a different studio so maybe they purchased there and then when Zen got the Williams license they counted that as yet another purchase? But again, why would a different studio's Medieval Madness recreation entitle you to owning it with Zen? Of course you'd have to make that purchase again!
Anyway, welcome back to digital pinball. The addiction is real. And hands down, Zen's best original is Aliens (which currently is only available on FX3 but should eventually make it's way into PinFX)
I already have another script finished talking about the cost breakdown of the tables but that's some good info about the licensing side of things which isn't a topic I even thought to mention.
I actually mentioned Aliens briefly in the video I released today about Dead By Daylight pinball and how both Pinball FX/M and DBD are amazing at theming licensed properties for their games and as an example I mentioned how both games include Chucky and the Alien.
Thank you for the complement, figuring out how to talk about pinball was kind of difficult and very different from the way I review other games and I'm sure there is still a ton of terminology I don't know yet. I wasn't sure if I was even going to be good enough to experience enough of the tables to properly explain the experience but I'm starting to learn the various shots and I have started finishing modes on some tables. I plan on going through and reviewing all of the tables in FX and M but only after I have spent enough time with each table to understand it. I'm a lot more interested in making informative videos than trying to do it fast or doing uninformed hot takes and that takes a little more time and effort. Cheers.
I for one agree, Infinity Gauntlet is one of the best originals that exist of all of Zen's catalog. We'll see more remasters down the road, and hoping to see a load more features that would otherwise have been difficult under FX3.
Great review.
Enjoying the upgrade to pinball fx. Have just bought the Addams family table and the Williams collection 1. Haven’t tried them a great deal yet but my main issue so far is not with the tables but with the software itself. For me, it’s a pain I can’t seem to set the default camera to what I want, also the volume for the Menus seems way higher than the tables volume. Also I can’t quite confirm it but there does seem to be a fraction of lag once or twice when playing. I get some of the complaints about having to rebuy tables but most of the ones I bought aren’t even on the new one (Bethesda and walking dead tables for example, and the biggest crime…no portal table 😢)
I'm not entirely sure about this but I think ball velocity might be tied to framerate in some fashion, I believe this is the reason the ball gets stuck in Duke Nukem (PinballM) and I have noticed some complaints about minor lag issues so it's not in your head.
I don't know about the volume but I believer there is a way to set a custom camera angle on each table when you have chosen a table but before you start a game. I just went and checked and in the lower right corner you should see a list of commands, on Keyboard the button for manual camera is "Y" it is most likely different with a controller.
@@JeffersonRedeyesgood to know I’m not mad 😂 to be honest I’ve only played a couple of games so far. I’m playing on a series x and other than the few niggles it’s a good upgrade at least visually over fx3
You must be elated at the recent announcement that Zen are doing a Star Trek pack featuring three new tables lol
I am elated that they are doing Deep Space Nine being my favorite series. I really couldn't care less about the kelvin timeline or Discovery.
That being said I expect to enjoy the pinball tables far more than I do Disc or Kelvinverse which is how I feel about certain Star Wars tables.
I am new here and I want to get PinballFX. I have saved up planning to buy all the DLC tables. Now because I didn't own the previous game PinballFX3 and this next one is my first one, if I purchased all the DLC's and threre are updated patches for the tables, do I have to rebuy them over again?
One you buy a table you own it.
The same was true of previous Pinball FX games as well, even if you own the table and Pinball FX loses the license to sell more of that specific table you own you still get to keep that table. I want to say the Pinball FX 3 Archer table isn't available anymore but since I already own it I will always own it and PinballWizard35b still owns all of the tables he's ever bought for every version of Pinball FX so you don't have to worry about paying twice.
@@JeffersonRedeyes thank you😊
@@JeffersonRedeyes can I also ask you a question; will there be more pinball tables coming soon to pay for? Will there always be more?
How much more money can I possibly save? I want to get all 116 different pinball table machines (111 from PinballFX and 6 from Pinball M) but if there is going to be more in the future, we'll have an endless amount of pinball tables to play and I will have to spend more money
Should I just get the 116 pinball tables now what I saved up for and buy future table content later on?
@@isaacheres1354 if you are on PC there are frequent sales on Steam. They are much less frequent on PC. They seem to come out with several new tables a year but I don't have any inside connection telling me their business plans so I only know what they post in Pinball Bytes on YT and updates through the steam page.
Buy whatever you are comfortable with whenever you feel like buying them. I got almost all my tables on sale but I also make Pinball FX content so it's in my personal best interest to buy the tables immediately to make reviews and guides.
@@JeffersonRedeyes I play PinballFX on the PS4 not on PC
You gotta try the Williams tables. To me, there are more innovative than the Zen originals.
At this point im really only keeping fx 3 for fox, alien, bethesda, oortsl, and the walking desd pinball tables, none of which are in the new one yet.
Like I've just accepted that I can't transfer purchases and am just gonna buy the fx3 tables from other packs on the new game.
Here’s how I get around having to re-buy the previous tables. I only buy the new tables I don’t have on the new FX version. The previous tables play great on FX3 version, simple as that. I can’t tell the difference between versions in FX3 and FX, so works for me. I don’t understand why anyone feels they have to buy the same tables again, just play them on the previous version.
If you can't tell the difference between FX and FX3 you might be playing in normal mode which mimics the physics of FX3. Set a table to realistic physics and it's a whole new ball game... so to speak.
I am actually going to demonstrate this in my Xena and Pacific Rim table guides because both tables have very anemic left orbit shots if you're playing in normal physics but the ball rolls straight up the ramps smooth as can be with realistic physics and the ball almost never gets rejected from the ramp.
Pinball FX can mimic FX3's physics; but FX3 can't mimic FX's physics and I can notice an immediate and very welcome change to the ball movement when I use realistic physics.
Great video!
FX2 owner here, we had our purchases transferred once. I've heard some third parties didn't agree a second time. Those who have incompleted FX2 collections had the game pulled from the store without warning, so that's partially why FX3 still exists today.
The Legacy Bundles are built for us in mind, especially with the stacked discounts during sales. However, there's a bit of a double edged sword in play. Newcomers technically get BOTH for cheaper, and if FX doesn't end up running well on a lower-end build, there's FX3 to fall back on. If you're focused on FX as a newer player, though, and you have the power to handle FX, stick with FX.
I've been playing some playstation pinball at a friend's and when coming home looking for what's available on PC i stumbled over FX3. However that was 1 month before FX started it's initial early access so besides the 1 pack i bought by then (WMS monster pack, in a sale) i didn't have to rebuy anything luckily (and to be fair: Zen was pretty generous when it came to transitioning from early access to release, completing all then transformed into packages from the individual tables we purchased during EA). I was addicted from the get go, but as a simmer by heart and a gamer by nature, i gravitate more towards the WMS tables. It's funny how i usually like the ultra complex side of gaming, but something as "simple" as pinball can catch my attention that much - because it's just so well made.
Great review, but desperately was waiting for your comparison between FX Machine: Bride of Pinbot and what you remember how it felt in real life.. Would love to hear about that still.
I just reinstalled the game again today. I noticed a large uptick in views on Pinball FX and looked at the steam page and there is a ton of stuff to talk about and I will probably be done editing that video tomorrow.
I wound up grabbing a bunch of tables I didn't own because of the current sale so I'm planning on working on videos for the individual tables.
I stream so sometimes I need to clear hard drive space, I believe Starfield forced me to uninstall Pinball FX for space but I don't currently have any 100gb+ games installed right now so I had room to come back to the pinball.
If I buy PinballFX and get the DLC pinball tables on the PS4 and then 2 months later I plan to get a PS5, would I be able to keep the pinball game and downloadable tables by transfering all games from one console to the next or do I have to rebuy them all again on the PS5?
I'm confused, what happens If I get some DLC tables now on the PS4 and then get the rest of the pinball tables to complete the library after I get a PS5, will I be able to continue to purchase the other DLC pinball tables that I didn't get on the PS4 or is it better that I wait two months and get ALL of the pinball tables on the PS5?
I have no experience with the game on consoles but I assume it works by account so it your PS4 and PS5 PSN account are the same then theoretically you should have access to the tables on both systems.
If the PS4 and PS5 have different account systems that don't talk to each other then you would have to rebuy the tables but I assume PSN accounts are global and include both systems meaning you should have access to the tables but again I know nothing about the console versions of Pinball FX, only PC.
I love this game, just wait for sales and it's very reasonably priced.
I think it is interesting that a company has to spend like hundred of thousands dollars remastering games with higher fidelity graphics and physics, and people expect to get it for free? Does that sound like a good business decision? Do the developers not deserve to get paid?
You still have your old game, and you can try the new game at first to see if it is worth it. If it is worth the price to you, you buy it, if not you pass. Not sure why this is a controversial.
Try Pinball Arcade 2013 great simulator
Jefferson likes the Garfield Table Best.
Don't make me come over there!
Watch out for the over hyped Indiana Jones table, just a fair warning, go for the Williams World Cup soccer table, or the Twilight Zone table instead if purchasing expensive single tables, just my take on it.
I also think the Attack on Mars table stands out a bit, it´s hard even after a little longer time, a week or so, to evaluate them all but the Williams tables i naturally go for.
There´s for sure some irritating little things with Pinball FX that could have been fixed by now, like the mouse pointer being present on the screen while playing for no good reason, key setting resetting to default after a restart and also entering a Tournament play before the time is out but because the time for the tournament ran out during your game play you´re not able to enter the tournament score table when you´re finished with your game, Zen fix it, (fix your prices as well down a bit).
You're fair warning prompted me to buy the table, I got it on a discount because I had bought something else like Jurassic park and they were part of a pack deal.
I only played a little if the Indy table since I'm still working on reviewing other tables and since I started streaming Marvel's Midnight Suns all of the related character tables suddenly moved up in priority. Since the game focuses on iron man, dr strange, spiderman, venom, deadpool, Blade and so many other characters that actually have Pinball FX tables it's just a really good time for me to spend more time checking them out since I'm already geeking out on a really good marvel story/game. Something about the table design for Indiana Jones immediately irritated me but in general I enjoyed the couple of games I played on it so far.
Wait… fx3 isn’t the newest??😮
nope, check the release dates, Pinball FX is newer than FX3. There is also a Pinball M that just came out.
Thanks so much for the heads up… I realized this and in getting started I’m a sucker for Monster Mash since a local place has a working machine. Clearly I see and remember many of these machines and like the fantastic ones ❤
Gone fishing best pinball table
I bought the starwars tables. Certain tables after a certain amount of time, or hitting certain stages, the ball(ONLY) the ball drops its framerate and starts chopping and it is enough to make me want to throw my controller.
Does everyone’s start up syncing data screen take like twenty minutes to load? Seems a little ridiculous
no, my game starts up pretty quickly
@@JeffersonRedeyes well that’s weird I just started playing today and everytime I start the game I have to wait for it to sync data and it’s takes forever. I literally prepped and cooked dinner for my family and it was still syncing lol
@@zachcook1185 On PC? Or more specifically PC Steam or Epic?
@@zachcook1185 I found this thread where they are talking about long load times and specifically synch issues but I haven't seen any kind of solution so far www.reddit.com/r/PinballFX3/comments/17x4frz/load_times_for_fx_are_too_damn_high/
@@JeffersonRedeyes yeah was just reading those comments I think I’ll reach out to the company and see why there isn’t a fix happening if it’s happening to enough people then I’d think it’s a big issue I mean I was pretty excited to play I even bought some extra tables before the game was even finished downloading and then went to play and after waiting so long for it to sync I instantly wanted my money back for the dlc I purchased
I'm thinking of getting this Pinball game for my gf on my PS5, but I'm confused I need to buy different "tables"?
I don't know how it works on console but on PC the base game is free and there are some free tables and there are daily and weekly challenges where you can play tables you don't own but other than that you have to buy the individual tables or collection of tables. On PC they cycle through table discounts so right now the Garfield and My Little Pony tables are $2 and next week or month it should be 2 different tables on sale, not sure if that applies to consoles.
First!
i ownh all the tables on ps5
i didnt care i had to re buy
I felt like I had to address the expense complaint but the more I think about it the harder it is to justify complaining.
The tables cycle through sales and were recently on 66% discount so most of the tables ranged from about $2 to $4 and with some bundles $4 got you a set of tables.
It was Bride of Pinbot who reminded me of the real math. It cost 1 quarter to play and full price on steam it's $5.50 which equates to 21 plays on the real life table. So for $5.50 you get the table, the enhanced visuals and unlimited play.
Given that it costs a dollar per play for new pinball tables even the most expensive original tables on Pinball FX are a bargain at full price because that $15 only equates to 15 plays on the arcade machines whereas that $15 grants the player unlimited access in Pinball FX.
The in-game currency is still basically a scam though
I would probably pass on this cause of how scummy the microtransactions are, and I'm not really into pinball games. 🤷 Interesting to see how these games work though.
It costs 150 coins for 30 days of the pinball pass thing that gives you everything for free, people complaining because they’re old and don’t understand the video game industry is more expensive and micro transactions based now
"and don’t understand the video game industry is more expensive and micro transactions based now"
Why would I find it any more acceptable because all of the scumbag companies are doing it? I won't play Blizzard games specifically because their games are getting objectively worse at the same time they're getting more expensive. Some of my favorite games this year have cost under $20 and have no live service model or microtransactions so please don't try to pretend these practices should be expected or accepted.
Know why there isn't a subscription service in Pinball M? Because it was always a terrible idea and it upsets the customer base. For the love of the elder gods Silent Hill Ascension has a battlepass and that's barely even a game. Wanna know how I know people hated the coin subscription service? Because if it was successful they would have put it in their new game but it wasn't, it was offensive and not worth the negative impact it would have on the fanbase.
What better way to tell your customers exactly how much you hate them by offering less for more?
@@JeffersonRedeyes a subscription based model fits a arcade style game 10x better than multiple dlcs, (not to mention you can still buy the dlcs alone and they go on sale all the time) I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game for long periods, buy the maps I really like and don’t complain about such trivial things?
@@whywouldeye I broke down the cost of subscription vs the cost of just outright buying the tables you like in the video and the subscription is a substantially worse deal.
"I would rather spend $20 every month or so for every map and then just not pay for it when I don’t play the game"
So for that same $20 you can buy at least 12 tables on sale right now and never have to pay to play those 12 tables ever again. Lets say you only paid for 4 months of the subscription, that's $80 or roughly 48 tables or more because some of the tables are under $2 as I type this.
So you're going to tell me that spending $80 for 4 months of play is somehow a better value than outright purchasing more than half the tables and being able to play them as much as you want whenever you want????
Do the math, there are currently 4 tables not on sale totaling $35, subtract that from the ADD ALL DLC option of $183 and you know all of the other tables cost a combined price of $147, subtract 4 months of subscription which is $80 and you are left with just $67 to complete your collection excepting brand new tables. What else costs roughly $60? 3 more months of subscriptions.
For the same price as 8 months of subscription you could own every single table that came out before the last update RIGHT NOW and play them as often as you want or you can pay that exact same amount and own nothing at all. Don't pretend this is a good value.
@@JeffersonRedeyes right on, i agree.
@MOFAZRE Subscription is bad. This is because the game is never really yours. It's rented. Better to buy the table outright. Then it's yours for keeps
You don't like garfield because you are a little kid. Adults like it because we grew up watching garfield. You are just a child, so you don't understand... You prob want a blues clues table or barney... Maybe a dora the explora table or something, I dunno
I'm 45 dumbass. I grew up with GI Joe, He Man and Transformers and yes I grew up watching Garfield too.
I hate Garfield because all he is anymore is crass soulless marketing gimmick designed by Jim Davis by his own admission only to sell plushies unlike Calvin and Hobbs who were designed to be Calvin and Hobbs because Bill Waterson never once considered ruining the integrity of his work by turning it into merch and that's why his comic still holds up while Garfield Minus Garfield is somehow better that Garfield with Garfield and all they do it erase the main character from the original panels because Garfield is such a one note character he doesn't even need to exist in his own comic.
'As Davis himself stated in a 1982 interview with the Washington Post, Garfield was nothing more than “a conscious effort to come up with a good, marketable character.” '
'With the character and his personality more or less set, Davis came up with, as Chris Suellentrop from Slate so eloquently put it, “a stable of recurring, repetitive jokes for the cat”, that he could recycle endlessly, allowing him to churn out Garfield comics with as little effort as possible, which is amazingly fitting if you think about it."
www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2018/08/when-a-marketer-invents-a-comic-the-story-of-garfield/
I love that shit as a kid, I had all the Garfield full color books, I watched Garfield and Friends, I watched all the holiday specials and not a damn bit of that personality or backstory made it into the pinball table or the shitty kart racing games. I hate Garfield BECAUSE I GREW THE FUCK UP and realized Garfield exists only as a marketing tool to shill garbage to children, you absolute doorknob.
Clearly you never grew up because you're upset that someone doesn't like the same shit you do even though the rest of the world has figured it out it was never anything more that a soulless marketing tool and moved on with their lives but with that being said I'd play the hell out of a Dora the Explora table or Lazy Town or Blues Clues or Spongebob if it was anywhere near as good as the my Little Pony table because that table is really fun while the Garfield table is boring, poorly laid out and confusing because all of the lights blink literally all of the time instead of when the lanes are active.
Pinball FX just looks so cheesy to me with the fake ball trail motion blur effect and the ball itself doesn't look metallic at all. There is some kind of blurriness to all the graphics.. Or maybe its just this video for some of that'? Either way noway I can look past how bad the ball and it's motion trail blur effect looks.
Pinball FX is easily the best looking Pinball game outside of Demon's Tilt and Zenotilt and Pinball Wicked with the major problem for every other game I mentioned being that they are all single table games (Wicked will have more tables but there is just the 1 for now).
I tried playing Pinball Arcade but I hate the menus and UI in that game and it runs at about 1/5th the speed it should. I was going to try to turn off V-synch which was what was screwing with Pinball FX before but wouldn't you know it, the UI is so bad I couldn't even find the graphics options.
Like it or not Pinball FX/M are the current top of the line in virtual pinball. The problems I had with Pinball Arcade are probably the reason Williams yanked it's tables from there to put into FX.
People complaining about having to pay for new tables on the upgraded Engine are such cowards and losers. The jump to Unreal Engine 5 isn't easy, and it isn't the click of a button. It runs smoother, looks better, and will be a foundation for the future of the game.
Unreal 4. I imagine they'll want to leap to Unreal 5 at some point, but not now.
Minigolf Galaxy, a Zen indie title, runs on Unreal 5.
PinballWiz, I look it up and just see it's running on Unreal Engine 5 for the update. Very conflicting information when I looked it up again. I'll take your word for it that only one table runs on UE5. @@pinballwiz45b
Sales come up all the time. Who pays full retail?
I plan on doing a more in depth cost analysis of the tables in the near future. Whenever I can keep myself from spending all day playing Pinball M or the new FX Star Trek.