For the final time for the bozos in the comments - Lopetegui being the wrong man does NOT mean that it was wrong for Moyes to go. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. It’s a basic point that doesn’t require much thinking power, so please stop saying it
"Never drop the con" since you use the term "Mutually exclusive" here is another sentence using it. Just because you didn't like David Moyes it does not make him a bad manager, the two are "Mutually exclusive" His results spoke for themselves three top ten finishes in four years. A trophy in the other year. Used to be that was all we asked for. Every post war West Ham manager would take that 4 year sequence.
It’s even worse for those of us who have to watch the game on Optus sport, the commentator said on numerous occasions that we lost a class manager and you should be careful what you wish for 🤬 I nearly threw something at my screen.
Getting rid of Moyes meant West Ham would either get a better manager, a worse manager or one who was pretty much the same. Getting rid of Moyes was only a good idea if he was going to be replaced by a better manager. There were some fans who were sceptical about Sullivan being able to find and work with a better manager than Moyes.
He did at least take responsibility for the performance yesterday which I don't remember Moyes ever doing after the many heavy defeats we had last season. I'm still willing to give him time to turn things around ⚒️
Geo, those who were "happy" were so mainly because DM was going. Many were not happy or excited with Lopetegui but had no power to change Sully's decision. Good show.
@@512Squared - Would that be the first choice that Steidten convinced to fly over and meet Sully at his house, and having had that meeting decided he was going to to stay put at Sporting. I think that one's down to Sully not being willing to buy him out of his contract - which is standard for Sully. The money spent on someone like Guilherme would have been better spent on attracting a Manager that can play a more expansive style which utilises the strengths of the players we have instead of getting in a Moyes Mk2 because he was cheap and available. Until Sully is willing to buy managers out of their existing contracts, we'll always be left with the dregs because any decent manager won't be out of work for long.
If you watch MOTD we are by far the worse looking team hands down!! And why is it any other club gets a new manager who implements things straight away but with us "its gonna take time "!! Utter ridiculous
Your biggest mistake is watching MOTD they are totally bias, when I listened to Talk Sport before the game you wouldn't have thought West Ham were playing, all they spoke about was Chelsea no mention of WHU at all. I would recommend do not what MOTD bad punditry lazy reporting!
Lopetegui wasn’t even in my top 3 but when he was given the job I was disappointed but decided I would support him to succeed at the club. But my fears have been realised a lot sooner than I thought they would and to say I’m concerned with what I’ve witnessed so far is an understatement.
The failure is with the defensive tactical setup of Lopey. AWB and Alvarez employed completely inappropriately when considering the pace of different Chelsea attacking players on the counter attack
I so desperately wanted Moyes out. Would have taken Saddam Hussein over Moyes However, from day 1 I felt the club took the easy option with Lopetegui I accepted it though on the basis we were told he was less pragmatic, more possession based & more attacking I’m not convinced this is the right appointment I said I’d give him 10 games & I will. But he needs to sort this shit out!
the thing is, during the City game our passing structure didn't work, he switched Alvarez to a half-back, operating in between the defenders in that game at around half time and we played a lot better after doing so. I think he tried to replicate that vs Chelsea and obviously in the last game it was a disaster.
We have new players and a new manager, but still the same old problem with not knowing the best position for them to play in. Perhaps it's an issue with recruitment?
Fans seem to have forgotten, Lopetegui didn’t want to come to West Ham, he wanted to go to AC Milan and was in line for the job until their supporters protested.
Everyone at the time said that Jlo was the cheap free option, but got schmoozed over by him and the way he spoke and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, no one REALLY wanted the bloke, Amiron was the one the fans wanted. If by Christmas we aren't any better hell be gone. Thankfully the players signed weren't his so another manager can come in quick and change things around if needed.
If you go to a restaurant and you get served a shit sandwich and then complain and they bring you another shit sandwich, is it your fault for complaining or the restaurant's fault? The board is the restaurant. The press have shares in shit sandwiches.
Villa / City / Chelsea in the first home games is tough, remembering the Prem is corrupt. As the big teams get favourable draws at the start of all seasons
I was not overwhelmed by Lopetegui's appointment in the first place. Disastrous pre-season. And things have not got any better. Lopetegui will eventually make Avram Grant look like Pep. We have to be brave and replace him now. Otherwise, we are in for a very long season. My choice? Potter. Also, someone has to sort out Antonio's current attitude, and do it quickly!
This might appear a minor point, however I believe that J.Lo’s command of English is quite possibly letting him down. I notice at interviews he struggles to understand the thrust of the questions and his answers are rather bland. He is known for his tactical strength but if you can’t effectively communicate then, you are at a disadvantage. Contrast J.Lo with eg the Chelsea manager’s prematch interview. Clear communication: it’s essential!
This. Id rather he did his interviews in Spanish with a translator to be honest, as he just repeats the same thing due to his limited command of the language.
I felt his latter substitutions had no thought behind them , was just rolling the dice , I felt very confused at the stadium what he was trying to do . I am still patient and will give him time to turn around
I cannot believe people are already calling for him out, there haven’t been enough games yet! Time for evaluation is in January/February next year when we have played a good number of games
It was reminiscent of the Arsenal home thrashing last season. The "continue with Mavrapanos regardless" decision is baffling. Even more baffling was the formation yesterday, with the slow, rash Alvarez dropping into the back line to go 1 on 1 with Jackson, and the error strewn Mavrapanos pressing high and leaving huge gaps behind him - again. He must know that Alvarez is a destroyer and is not fast, so why put him up against Jackson? Todibo was part of the best defence in Europe in 2024 and is quick. Why not play him in a back 3 if that is the formation you want to play? Since when is Antonio the answer to anything these days? Taking arguably our best player off (Summerville) was baffling. Wasting Kudus on the left once he took Summerville off was baffling. Play players in their best position. Any coach who doesn't do that is walking towards the sack in my opinion
Geo hits the bullseye again. I've never been a fan of kneejerk reactions, but I'm not going to call out other's opinions. Opinions are always valid. FWIW I thought we played really well in the second quarter of the game (shame about the rest). Stonewall penalty denied, that was a game changer. I was amazed at the subbing of Summerville, him and Kudus were on it, unlike most. Bowen was a shadow of himself. Need to get him back on the right and Kudus in the middle until the Fulk is 100% (IMHO). Need to replace Mav with Todibo, the guy just can't deal with through balls. Why was AWB perpetually AWOL? Never saw him in the RB position and he wasn't doing well in an advanced role.
Weve had some proper rubbish managers in our 120 odd years history non of them have lost our first 3 home games, he managed to lopi is clueless id get rid asap
looked at Ireola’s start at bournemouth, first prem win was the tenth game, P9 W0 D3 L6 (won 2 x carabao) most would agree they are playing well now and doing good considering lost Solanke etc. So i’m taking solace in this, now…… it doesn’t mean loppy is as good as him or he will turn it around, but i’m holding fire for now. However some of the selections/subs have been horrendous and extremely odd if you have watched our team last year. I did expect some green shoots by now and honestly i can’t see any improvement or new style apart from a higher line
The conundrum is as follows, we have quality international players, many of whom would be first choice in many teams but as performance has proved, are struggling. Other teams have lesser quality players but operate as a strong team unit eg Forest, Brighton et al. So what is preventing our players from jelling.? Whatever it is in needs solving, bloody quickly.
Can anyone tell me why Alvarez was playing at centre half when we had Killman and Mavropanis on the pitch against Jackson? Was we playing 5 at the back or 3 as I'm totally confused about the set up yesterday
Thought this video was going another way with the thumbnail. As someone as who can’t stand the media I was ready to defend them. Channels like the one you mentioned and comment sections show there’s a loud enough minority calling for the manager out already. Credit for keeping it honest
Like you, I was not in favour of Lopetegui coming in, however, we have to give him more time to sort things out. Arsenal fans were initially calling for Arteta to be sacked, but now he's the messiah
I'm concerned that I haven't seen a good performance in any of our games so far. It's not just the Chelsea game, it's an accumulation of them all. I saw bit of good work against City I guess, but just clutching ATM. We gotta stay patient I think however..
Wow, Geo. Just stunned that we put out a top line up and and game plan wasn't there to get the best out of the team. Just stunned that this many games in JLo still has no idea of how to get the best game plan. I will give him till Dec to show some improvement and understanding.
Still a bit too early to write off JLo yet. Although he really needs to look to pick up at least 4 points from the next 2 league games if you even want to finish mid table, let alone even worrying about staying close to the European pack. Despite our shocking defending yesterday I do still think we’re a little better defensively than we were last season, albeit that wasn’t exactly difficult. However, he’s got the attack horrifically wrong so far. How the heck do you get an attack that scored 60 league goals last season and made it look as blunt as anything!? As much as Moyes failed with the defence last season he made the attack so much more effective than what JLo has so far. As much as JLo has got it tactically wrong in the 1st half of the last 2 games, he isn’t responsible for all signings made. That responsibility lies with the man who set the tone last summer by signing the liability Dinos. The man who spoke to the wrong agents in January for Osman and the man who went from Duran to Fullkrug. No Head Coach is a miracle worker if his director of football is signing a load of crap. Summerville is the only one that’s impressed me so far out of his signings and Kilman and Wan-Bissaka was JLo choices according to Ex and ITKs on KUMB. JLo still has my support, but he needs to rapidly start delivering more points before the confidence gets lower in the squad and the rot starts to settle.
How can we keep blaming Rodriguez when he's midfield partner keeps disappearing into defence and leaves him to by himself..also I didn't see bowen once gee up the troops to give it more or did I see him set examples for others to follow..biggest mistake ever giving him the armband because it's even interferd with he's over all performance..he's yet to have a decent game all season..saying that only kudus and summerville were half decent...1 more thing..I'm not having areola in goal anymore..he cant even do the basics right...coyi
The problem people are missing is that the system of managing has changed.. The people who have control of systems used. Fact should be realised is the defensive and special play coaches have control. All 3 goals and set ups was down to them. Loppy is the manager, but realise on his coaches to control their areas of specialty. The system was brought in by Pep from the NFL system. The manager is only as good as his staff.
Situation feels so familiar with top half of table team wanting to kick on. If you can’t land the managerial targets you want so that you are left with Lopetegui, then it becomes a direct trade off against sacking Moyes or bringing him in. As much as I’d 100% say the board should do better to land a better calibre of manager, and they should, if In reality they’re not going to and it is going to be a lopetegui, then you have a direct choice to make. Got to be realistic with what the board are actually going to do and make the choice based on that. There was a massive chunk of the fan base that wasn’t pro Moyes but just knew the likely guy to come in if they sacked him and so would have rather stuck until ‘better that was gettable under current regime’ was available
Look we were Terrible against Fulham and Chelsea and that’s what’s worrying. But we couldn’t have had 5 more tougher games 3 home games, did we really expect to Get much out of those games, I can’t believe we got 4-6 away points away, look at liverpools opening games, Ipswich Brentford United and forest…..Bournemouth yesterday we had that start and we could have way more points
I just hope Lops is still just experimenting with the players as some choices have been suspicious. Taking Summerville off was baffling. Not to lie i am starting to worry a bit as we may fall to far behind points wise as we do need to at least grind out some points. In fairness the gaffer has been unlucky as he is dealing with such a big overhaul and changing the way we play. Within 5 games we have been up against Aston Villa, Man city and Chelsea, come on that aint an easy run of games. We need to stop the double pivot too, need Soler and Paqueta to get our midfield going as we seem to be going longball from def to front line. Got to be patience and give it more time at least 10 games. COYI
Stateside, mad at yesterday's performance. Wake up 4am. Tuned in, go back to bed after getting air out back (actually nice on a cooler autumn AM over here, laying next to the lady&dogs, nice touch to things thank you very much), thinking, "What the hell was yesterday?" COYI ⚒️ God help us. Lop is losing my vote quicker. I said seven to ten games, I should have a good weigh-in on Lop. Now, because of the rapid rate at which he is bombing us, I have moved the goalpost. He hasnt a clue. I do not want the old regime. This is going to get harder before better. Keep the Faith.
Key insights, have we improved? Are there signs that we’re going to improve? Lopetegui is Pelligrini 2.0 and we’ll suffer the same fate or even worse the longer he stays around. He’s tactical inept, has no defined playing style and is not passionate. Lopeteguis a couple of games from loosing the dressing room and if that happens we’re toast!
I’ve been working in recruitment for years and people fall into 2 categories, either progress forward through their career with hard work and internal promotions, or they keep moving from company to company to move up because they arent any good at their job and blame others, but interview really well. Lopey falls into the 2nd.
Yes disappointed with how this season has started. I knew it would take time but this is frustrating and the style we are seeing needs to get results or turns toxic fast but needs more time for now
This is a 3 year transition. We had/have some ageing players who have played only one way. Arteta was in this situation for 18 months...It will take time. If we finish top half, I'll consider this a very good season. I'm always surprised if more than half the players brought into a team actually work out. For me it will take several transfer windows to reach a level where we can compete for top 7 places. Chelsea have looked good for me this season, while the results haven't always been great, I think they are very underestimated. Top 6 team for me.
@@HammersChat I always felt that the 2 year deal was a get of jail card as we don't sack managers. I'm confident that he'll get another term, as unlikely as that seems now, I think he will get a tune out of us within that two years. Wonder what Arteta's initial deal was?
The results don't bother me. I never expected us to win against Villa, City, or Chelski. It's concerning that the players look like they don't know what they are doing. They've had since preseason to get to know one another and all the basics. We shouldn't be playing players out of position. We have at least 2 players per position now. Not good enough
Geo, I predicted a 1 - 3 or 4 win to Chelsea. Posted the comment on many shows. Reasoning...... Our desperate lack of pace in the engine room. I have been saying for 2 weeks, "Lopetegui is NOT that guy". But, I didn't expect such an inept performance by Lopetegui. He does not appear to recognise the squads weaknesses when picking a starting 11's SHAPE.
For me this was the biggest thing from last season. Just how important pace and physicality are in the PL now. We have very little of it. And signing a 31yr old striker plus a 30yr old DM just baffled me.
I don't remember anyone wanting jlo,but i think the fans are behind him..we just want to see something..anything to encourage us that tactics are working. Anywho..not panicing over yesterday..we are 14th. And fans calling sacking...i don't think so..some have,but most are joking i think
New players, new coach, 5 games in. Let's see how we are going after 20 games, the game was embarrassing but we will turn the corner. Get behind the team
10, 12 games max for me. I've seen nothing apart from 2 x 5 minute spells v City to give me any encouragement. He (Lop) talks the talk, but I suspect the Spanish Blagger doesn't walk the walk... Worrying...
Definitely angry and worried over the result on Sat. But still willing to be patience and see what J.Lo got to offer. With just 5 games in, it is not fair to judge him at the moment. Arteta took about half season to steer his team to move forward. Whoever we appoint, I was expecting a rough ride in the first half of the season. If he can't pull the team together in half a season, that will be very concerning. Don't forgot the team he took over was a Moyes team for the past 4 years. It will take time for the team to un-learn and re-learn the new way. I have to agree to most people on the weird selection of players at times. But we don't know what is happening behind the scenes where the coaches have the first hand inform as to why they choose what they choose. Got to trust them in the selection. Anyway, their jobs are on the line too. Bad results would also mean off they go when the time is here.
A lot of fans have to grow a pair, we needed a change it starts on the pitch and then the board need to take responsibility, the premier league is getting very boring with teams playing the same. What do I mean about the board taking responsibility they promised us a different style and they said the stadium will be a home for football, there is a lot of stuff to unravel I did see during a video with Bowen there are building works going on the training ground, there seems to be a lot of investment to make West Ham a team a professional would like to play.. but it does start on the pitch! Somehow we have to keep clean sheets, Areola was at fault for the 1st goal.
Nobody has had to rebuild a team as expensively as we have ( maybe Forest last season) I agree it’s not the best start but I think there are signs of improvement. Moyes destroyed our club and it will take more than 5 games and I believe more than one window to fix the complete shambles that was left behind. Loopy was not my first choice of manager but my god I’d take him over moyes
Lopo shows no admission his tactics are wrong, Moyes repetition ? Why can he not see what fans see. Worrying factor is currently who is around, and desirable, to replace him ? Match of the day pundits lay the blame fully at the feet of the manager tactics, and that is rare.
Rodrigues is to slow for the Premier League We were all saying we had a fantastic transfer window when we can now see we have over paid for crap players
Didnt want Lopetegui, still don't, but prepared to get behind him. Struggling however, look at the midfield but we let JWP go! Poor decision, dont like Guido looks out of place... Irvine looks like a crafty player I'd like to see more of. Patience is low
Much too early to call for sackings but hard to see any thing to be happy about a real problem is still that we are too slow and we bought in too many older players.
I find it more concerning that people actually want Moyes back in. Like what!? The only reason yesterday's game felt so frustrating was because it reminded me so much of the last DM games we played...Are people really that frustrated that they blanked out the last season already?
Geo your page has a voice to be able to settle the fans, use it otherwise we will have a split club at the start of a season already. A video where you show our results and speak about what was our realistic points tally after them all. Fans seem to forget we went up against and lost to a good villa team (just about) thats in the cl. A team thats arguably the best in europe in city and also lost against a team thats spent billions on 40 odd players on massive wages. And weve got points against the clubs we should be getting points from. Theres no need to panick right now give jlo more time. Was we expecting 9 points or more already when weve come up against hard opposition? We got 10 new players its gonna take games and patience. Give the fans a taste of realism instead of thinking we are world beaters who should be winning or drawing against these teams. Thanks
It doesn’t make a difference Thomas, I appreciate what you are saying but it doesn’t alter anything and also, I don’t want to tell people what to think, appreciate that’s not what you are suggesting but all I can do is give my view and I think am usually quite calm - last season I didn’t want DM sacked at any point (wanted him to go but my view didn’t alter since the Conf League final) and atm I don’t want Lopetegui sacked. All I can do imo is give my side.
We all mostly agreed we would give him time if we do not hit the ground running . Regarding the Media we all know it was coming . When we won the Conference cup against middle of the table European teams . Media forget if had not won the Man U game with the Benny daisy cutter . We could have gone down . Media can get lost .
The sad realisation is most didnt want lopetegui but when he signed most have decided to get behind the new manager just hoping hed suprise us all, hes not. The manager has been so unimpressive and even more shocked when he says stuff like I've been watching all summer. Not convinced steidten wanted him, this is down to sullivan wanting a manager who was free and had premier league experience. Shocking appointment, now weve got a spanish david moyes whos probably worse. If it continues like this we can expect lopetegui to be in and then we put a moues/dyche in charge if we end up in a relegation battle. We're better than this and so is our team, why can we never get a progressive manager? Allardyce, moyes, lopetegui... whos next???? Going no where under this board!!!!
The defending for the second was shocking...do i want him out no, frustrated yes. Im hoping he can sort this crap out Soucek 30 yard pass took me by surprise. Don't forget arsenal fans wanted arteta gone after 3 games
Just pay him off now whilst the damage isn’t terminal? Mark my words by the time we’ve played 10 games our goals against will be more than double it is now with our goal scoring opportunities limited also? Do it now this guy hasn’t a clue?
People JLO has a 2 year contract, should he qualify to Europe within that time = extension. Mid table this year, unless we get relegated=dismissed!! Last year our losses tended to be 5-0, it was only 3-0=improvement!😅
We are just never allowed to get as fans what we want ,we are too bloody nice , we should be like AC milan , insist on what we want , or take coach away and we run team from the stands cos I bet you we would improve the performances . We are starved from what we deserve , it's heart wrenching sometimes
The weak game plan and, even worse, situational tactics undermine whatever the J-Lo philosophy is. A real patience tester, knee jerk sacking - No. What about the player's collective effort?
I never wanted him in the first place. He looks clueless. I'd be more forgiving if we were actually trying to implement a play style. It looks like hoofball with a suicidal high line, mental really. He has 3 more games in my opinion as we are lucky to have even 4 points. I would never want a manager to fail but part of me would smile knowing Sulli's wheeler dealer approach blew up in his face i.e. getting the out of work, cheap option with a nice name.
Never wanted Moyes out , couldn't believe the campaign to get him out at all, the constant criticism against him coupled with the clubs clear agenda against him after the victory in Europe was absurd.
Not sure what you were watching then. We looked even worse under him. Constant negativity, shipping goal after goal. We stole the odd result thanks to players like Bowen and Kudus. We were losing 5-0 to Fulham and Chelsea so the last two results are actually improvements 😂😂😂
We're playng like the walking dead imo , our good players from last season are all but done shot to bits !!! mostly the squad have been ran into the ground over the past 2/3 seasons ..also just look at that bench yesterday . its full of dead beat players that are not fit for purpose and should of been gone YEARS AGO !. this will take 2 seasons min to get over of what we was ..
Losing and no DIngs sub, Sommerville off, Kudus wide rather than behind a striker, already 2 down subs could’ve waited to halftime and maintained a little 🤏🏽 cohesion and morale which could have an effect later on…etc… After such an outlay JL needs the Jan window 🪟 to complete his squad (?) unless beyond repair and we call Moyes or FatSam back..! Todibo definitely on hold because of purchase option, can see no other reason… ✌🏻⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️🫧
Never wanted him, never rated him and can't wait to see the back of him. Almost the right team, but bizarre playing people out of position, not using certain players and continues to use others over the hill or headless chickens. Bowen as captain is just stupid and a tactically inept manager means we will struggle all season. Mid table would be a dream.
@@jamesgunn7 Back to back European football campaigns, our first major silverwear in forever (possibly the last we will see ever). We have become Tottenham in our approach in hounding out our managers. David Moyes was our most successful manager in recent times and should have been applauded.
But under moyes it was crap , bloody style anti football , and he spent enough money on cack , wasted a fortune and left us in the shit , very selfish man , he new his style wasn't gonna keep him here long so he emptied the pockets before we clapped him off ....nice one
For the final time for the bozos in the comments - Lopetegui being the wrong man does NOT mean that it was wrong for Moyes to go. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. It’s a basic point that doesn’t require much thinking power, so please stop saying it
Agree with this be careful what you wish for gang moyes was crap and so is lop I don't want either
"Never drop the con" since you use the term "Mutually exclusive" here is another sentence using it. Just because you didn't like David Moyes it does not make him a bad manager, the two are "Mutually exclusive"
His results spoke for themselves three top ten finishes in four years. A trophy in the other year. Used to be that was all we asked for. Every post war West Ham manager would take that 4 year sequence.
It’s even worse for those of us who have to watch the game on Optus sport, the commentator said on numerous occasions that we lost a class manager and you should be careful what you wish for 🤬 I nearly threw something at my screen.
@@FlowDeFlowDrainage
I wonder why no one else has offered him a job if he’s so good, I’ll wait a while to see if the situation changes.
Getting rid of Moyes meant West Ham would either get a better manager, a worse manager or one who was pretty much the same. Getting rid of Moyes was only a good idea if he was going to be replaced by a better manager. There were some fans who were sceptical about Sullivan being able to find and work with a better manager than Moyes.
When Somerville came off i started to think Lopi is a Chelsea fan
He did at least take responsibility for the performance yesterday which I don't remember Moyes ever doing after the many heavy defeats we had last season. I'm still willing to give him time to turn things around ⚒️
We beat Chelsea 3-1 with 10 men at home last season under Moyes
@@MilesThornewe shipped 10 goals away to palace and Fulham last season under Moyes as well
Geo, those who were "happy" were so mainly because DM was going. Many were not happy or excited with Lopetegui but had no power to change Sully's decision. Good show.
Steiden couldn't get his first choice. Silly to try to put this on Sully.
I totally agree. We wasn’t excited about Loppy but so desperate to see the back of Moyes!!
@@512Squared - Would that be the first choice that Steidten convinced to fly over and meet Sully at his house, and having had that meeting decided he was going to to stay put at Sporting. I think that one's down to Sully not being willing to buy him out of his contract - which is standard for Sully.
The money spent on someone like Guilherme would have been better spent on attracting a Manager that can play a more expansive style which utilises the strengths of the players we have instead of getting in a Moyes Mk2 because he was cheap and available. Until Sully is willing to buy managers out of their existing contracts, we'll always be left with the dregs because any decent manager won't be out of work for long.
@@stephenmoore4651 reporting has it that he turned us down
@@512Squared Because Sully wouldn't invest in the team he needed. It always ends with the owner, whatever way you cut it.
If you watch MOTD we are by far the worse looking team hands down!! And why is it any other club gets a new manager who implements things straight away but with us "its gonna take time "!! Utter ridiculous
Your biggest mistake is watching MOTD they are totally bias, when I listened to Talk Sport before the game you wouldn't have thought West Ham were playing, all they spoke about was Chelsea no mention of WHU at all. I would recommend do not what MOTD bad punditry lazy reporting!
Lopetegui wasn’t even in my top 3 but when he was given the job I was disappointed but decided I would support him to succeed at the club. But my fears have been realised a lot sooner than I thought they would and to say I’m concerned with what I’ve witnessed so far is an understatement.
Yeah this is exactly the same as me mate, it’s sad.
Who were your top 3 choices? Mine was Fonseca ahead of Loopy but he is not doing so well in Milan, I guess I am not a good talent IDer
@@montanaprime Sporting Lisbon Amorim, Fulham Silva, Brentford Tomas Frank, Bournemouth’s Iraola were my preferred choice’s ahead of Lopetegui.
We cant judge anyone after 5 games but yesterday was a hard watch
Durans price tag of £40 million looking like a bargain now
You could probably double or even treble that
TS the expert lol
His temperament & personality is highly suspect, that's why nobody else snapped him up for £40 mill
The failure is with the defensive tactical setup of Lopey. AWB and Alvarez employed completely inappropriately when considering the pace of different Chelsea attacking players on the counter attack
I so desperately wanted Moyes out.
Would have taken Saddam Hussein over Moyes
However, from day 1 I felt the club took the easy option with Lopetegui
I accepted it though on the basis we were told he was less pragmatic, more possession based & more attacking
I’m not convinced this is the right appointment
I said I’d give him 10 games & I will. But he needs to sort this shit out!
Agree he cant be judged after 5 games ffs some of our fans are embarrassing
So you give him ten games and if you don't like what you see , what you gonna do then
@@oljay1971spot on fella
@@BenMakins-p3g well first of all that’s up to me. 2nd I’m convinced he’ll sort it out.
the thing is, during the City game our passing structure didn't work, he switched Alvarez to a half-back, operating in between the defenders in that game at around half time and we played a lot better after doing so. I think he tried to replicate that vs Chelsea and obviously in the last game it was a disaster.
Real Madrid sacked him after 14 games, thats an important stat 😮
Nearly the same what Man U did with Moyes, so a bad omen as WH have another reject from a big club ?
We have new players and a new manager, but still the same old problem with not knowing the best position for them to play in. Perhaps it's an issue with recruitment?
Fans seem to have forgotten, Lopetegui didn’t want to come to West Ham, he wanted to go to AC Milan and was in line for the job until their supporters protested.
At least AC Milan's owners listened to their supporters. Wish I could say the same for the complete tosspots in charge of our club.
@@ultra5057tbf Milan fans actually got off their arses and properly protested
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I think even if we protested nothing would happen sadly.
@@ultra5057 probably right
@@ultra5057the club will probably ban you
Always a very interesting listen . Appreciate all the hard work and insight. I’m West Ham fan with patience and looking forward to Liverpool.
Finally some real support
Geo, finally. Do u think Tim noticed the lack of speed some of the players he signed were. Was Lopetegui bothered either! 😒😒
I'm astounded. 😢😢😢
Everyone at the time said that Jlo was the cheap free option, but got schmoozed over by him and the way he spoke and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
However, no one REALLY wanted the bloke, Amiron was the one the fans wanted.
If by Christmas we aren't any better hell be gone. Thankfully the players signed weren't his so another manager can come in quick and change things around if needed.
If you go to a restaurant and you get served a shit sandwich and then complain and they bring you another shit sandwich, is it your fault for complaining or the restaurant's fault? The board is the restaurant. The press have shares in shit sandwiches.
Well said mate 👍
The shit sandwiches being served have no toppings in them either just pure shit!!
Cat or dog shite
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Paqueta is doing a brilliant Kalvin Phillips impression
Brighton have a new manager and spent over 100 mill in the summer and their manager doesn’t need time.
I think a European qualification is very unlikely now. Mid table obscurity is going to start looking like a victory based on our early results.
Villa / City / Chelsea in the first home games is tough, remembering the Prem is corrupt. As the big teams get favourable draws at the start of all seasons
I was not overwhelmed by Lopetegui's appointment in the first place. Disastrous pre-season. And things have not got any better. Lopetegui will eventually make Avram Grant look like Pep. We have to be brave and replace him now. Otherwise, we are in for a very long season. My choice? Potter. Also, someone has to sort out Antonio's current attitude, and do it quickly!
This might appear a minor point, however I believe that J.Lo’s command of English is quite possibly letting him down. I notice at interviews he struggles to understand the thrust of the questions and his answers are rather bland. He is known for his tactical strength but if you can’t effectively communicate then, you are at a disadvantage. Contrast J.Lo with eg the Chelsea manager’s prematch interview. Clear communication: it’s essential!
Don't go on press interviews, hard to hear the questions half the time.
This. Id rather he did his interviews in Spanish with a translator to be honest, as he just repeats the same thing due to his limited command of the language.
Yep I agree,lots of our players wont speak Spanish,god knows how he communicates with them
@@rogercooke4589 you folks are hilarious, though your delusions are a little worrying. He literally speaks excellent English.
@@512Squared only funny one is you fella,he literally asks his mate to translate questions into spanish for him 😂
I felt his latter substitutions had no thought behind them , was just rolling the dice , I felt very confused at the stadium what he was trying to do . I am still patient and will give him time to turn around
I know it's early doors but there wasn't much to take from that game, why take Summerville off ? and Antonio instead of Inges ?
I cannot believe people are already calling for him out, there haven’t been enough games yet! Time for evaluation is in January/February next year when we have played a good number of games
I can, for various different reasons!
FLOORLESS, put the same energy you use for yapping into paying your dept😂🤣.
No effort from anyone yesterday
It was reminiscent of the Arsenal home thrashing last season. The "continue with Mavrapanos regardless" decision is baffling. Even more baffling was the formation yesterday, with the slow, rash Alvarez dropping into the back line to go 1 on 1 with Jackson, and the error strewn Mavrapanos pressing high and leaving huge gaps behind him - again. He must know that Alvarez is a destroyer and is not fast, so why put him up against Jackson? Todibo was part of the best defence in Europe in 2024 and is quick. Why not play him in a back 3 if that is the formation you want to play? Since when is Antonio the answer to anything these days? Taking arguably our best player off (Summerville) was baffling. Wasting Kudus on the left once he took Summerville off was baffling. Play players in their best position. Any coach who doesn't do that is walking towards the sack in my opinion
i can't stop thinking that would of been the perfect game for aguard........
Geo hits the bullseye again. I've never been a fan of kneejerk reactions, but I'm not going to call out other's opinions. Opinions are always valid. FWIW I thought we played really well in the second quarter of the game (shame about the rest). Stonewall penalty denied, that was a game changer. I was amazed at the subbing of Summerville, him and Kudus were on it, unlike most. Bowen was a shadow of himself. Need to get him back on the right and Kudus in the middle until the Fulk is 100% (IMHO). Need to replace Mav with Todibo, the guy just can't deal with through balls. Why was AWB perpetually AWOL? Never saw him in the RB position and he wasn't doing well in an advanced role.
Weve had some proper rubbish managers in our 120 odd years history non of them have lost our first 3 home games, he managed to lopi is clueless id get rid asap
looked at Ireola’s start at bournemouth, first prem win was the tenth game, P9 W0 D3 L6 (won 2 x carabao) most would agree they are playing well now and doing good considering lost Solanke etc. So i’m taking solace in this, now…… it doesn’t mean loppy is as good as him or he will turn it around, but i’m holding fire for now. However some of the selections/subs have been horrendous and extremely odd if you have watched our team last year. I did expect some green shoots by now and honestly i can’t see any improvement or new style apart from a higher line
We need someone to blame and we need it quickly
The conundrum is as follows, we have quality international players, many of whom would be first choice in many teams but as performance has proved, are struggling. Other teams have lesser quality players but operate as a strong team unit eg Forest, Brighton et al. So what is preventing our players from jelling.? Whatever it is in needs solving, bloody quickly.
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They was a disgrace. Jason Candy. Can’t argue.
Don't like him but he was spot on....a bloody shambles 😳
Can anyone tell me why Alvarez was playing at centre half when we had Killman and Mavropanis on the pitch against Jackson? Was we playing 5 at the back or 3 as I'm totally confused about the set up yesterday
Thought this video was going another way with the thumbnail.
As someone as who can’t stand the media I was ready to defend them. Channels like the one you mentioned and comment sections show there’s a loud enough minority calling for the manager out already.
Credit for keeping it honest
Like you, I was not in favour of Lopetegui coming in, however, we have to give him more time to sort things out. Arsenal fans were initially calling for Arteta to be sacked, but now he's the messiah
2 near post goals, 74 goals conceded last season. we need a new keeper.
I'm concerned that I haven't seen a good performance in any of our games so far. It's not just the Chelsea game, it's an accumulation of them all. I saw bit of good work against City I guess, but just clutching ATM. We gotta stay patient I think however..
Wow, Geo. Just stunned that we put out a top line up and and game plan wasn't there to get the best out of the team. Just stunned that this many games in JLo still has no idea of how to get the best game plan. I will give him till Dec to show some improvement and understanding.
Still a bit too early to write off JLo yet. Although he really needs to look to pick up at least 4 points from the next 2 league games if you even want to finish mid table, let alone even worrying about staying close to the European pack. Despite our shocking defending yesterday I do still think we’re a little better defensively than we were last season, albeit that wasn’t exactly difficult. However, he’s got the attack horrifically wrong so far. How the heck do you get an attack that scored 60 league goals last season and made it look as blunt as anything!? As much as Moyes failed with the defence last season he made the attack so much more effective than what JLo has so far. As much as JLo has got it tactically wrong in the 1st half of the last 2 games, he isn’t responsible for all signings made. That responsibility lies with the man who set the tone last summer by signing the liability Dinos. The man who spoke to the wrong agents in January for Osman and the man who went from Duran to Fullkrug. No Head Coach is a miracle worker if his director of football is signing a load of crap. Summerville is the only one that’s impressed me so far out of his signings and Kilman and Wan-Bissaka was JLo choices according to Ex and ITKs on KUMB. JLo still has my support, but he needs to rapidly start delivering more points before the confidence gets lower in the squad and the rot starts to settle.
How can we keep blaming Rodriguez when he's midfield partner keeps disappearing into defence and leaves him to by himself..also I didn't see bowen once gee up the troops to give it more or did I see him set examples for others to follow..biggest mistake ever giving him the armband because it's even interferd with he's over all performance..he's yet to have a decent game all season..saying that only kudus and summerville were half decent...1 more thing..I'm not having areola in goal anymore..he cant even do the basics right...coyi
The problem people are missing is that the system of managing has changed..
The people who have control of systems used. Fact should be realised is the defensive and special play coaches have control. All 3 goals and set ups was down to them. Loppy is the manager, but realise on his coaches to control their areas of specialty. The system was brought in by Pep from the NFL system. The manager is only as good as his staff.
Situation feels so familiar with top half of table team wanting to kick on.
If you can’t land the managerial targets you want so that you are left with Lopetegui, then it becomes a direct trade off against sacking Moyes or bringing him in.
As much as I’d 100% say the board should do better to land a better calibre of manager, and they should, if In reality they’re not going to and it is going to be a lopetegui, then you have a direct choice to make.
Got to be realistic with what the board are actually going to do and make the choice based on that.
There was a massive chunk of the fan base that wasn’t pro Moyes but just knew the likely guy to come in if they sacked him and so would have rather stuck until ‘better that was gettable under current regime’ was available
Look we were Terrible against Fulham and Chelsea and that’s what’s worrying. But we couldn’t have had 5 more tougher games 3 home games, did we really expect to Get much out of those games, I can’t believe we got 4-6 away points away, look at liverpools opening games, Ipswich Brentford United and forest…..Bournemouth yesterday we had that start and we could have way more points
I just hope Lops is still just experimenting with the players as some choices have been suspicious. Taking Summerville off was baffling. Not to lie i am starting to worry a bit as we may fall to far behind points wise as we do need to at least grind out some points. In fairness the gaffer has been unlucky as he is dealing with such a big overhaul and changing the way we play. Within 5 games we have been up against Aston Villa, Man city and Chelsea, come on that aint an easy run of games. We need to stop the double pivot too, need Soler and Paqueta to get our midfield going as we seem to be going longball from def to front line. Got to be patience and give it more time at least 10 games. COYI
JLo saw the Alvarez position shut out Harland and thought the same thing works against everyone !
Stateside, mad at yesterday's performance. Wake up 4am. Tuned in, go back to bed after getting air out back (actually nice on a cooler autumn AM over here, laying next to the lady&dogs, nice touch to things thank you very much), thinking, "What the hell was yesterday?" COYI ⚒️ God help us. Lop is losing my vote quicker. I said seven to ten games, I should have a good weigh-in on Lop. Now, because of the rapid rate at which he is bombing us, I have moved the goalpost. He hasnt a clue. I do not want the old regime. This is going to get harder before better. Keep the Faith.
Key insights, have we improved? Are there signs that we’re going to improve? Lopetegui is Pelligrini 2.0 and we’ll suffer the same fate or even worse the longer he stays around. He’s tactical inept, has no defined playing style and is not passionate. Lopeteguis a couple of games from loosing the dressing room and if that happens we’re toast!
I’ve been working in recruitment for years and people fall into 2 categories, either progress forward through their career with hard work and internal promotions, or they keep moving from company to company to move up because they arent any good at their job and blame others, but interview really well. Lopey falls into the 2nd.
Yes disappointed with how this season has started. I knew it would take time but this is frustrating and the style we are seeing needs to get results or turns toxic fast but needs more time for now
This is a 3 year transition. We had/have some ageing players who have played only one way. Arteta was in this situation for 18 months...It will take time. If we finish top half, I'll consider this a very good season. I'm always surprised if more than half the players brought into a team actually work out. For me it will take several transfer windows to reach a level where we can compete for top 7 places. Chelsea have looked good for me this season, while the results haven't always been great, I think they are very underestimated. Top 6 team for me.
3 year transition with a manager on a 2 year deal? Maths not mathing here
@@HammersChat I always felt that the 2 year deal was a get of jail card as we don't sack managers. I'm confident that he'll get another term, as unlikely as that seems now, I think he will get a tune out of us within that two years. Wonder what Arteta's initial deal was?
The results don't bother me. I never expected us to win against Villa, City, or Chelski.
It's concerning that the players look like they don't know what they are doing. They've had since preseason to get to know one another and all the basics.
We shouldn't be playing players out of position. We have at least 2 players per position now.
Not good enough
Geo, I predicted a 1 - 3 or 4 win to Chelsea. Posted the comment on many shows. Reasoning...... Our desperate lack of pace in the engine room. I have been saying for 2 weeks, "Lopetegui is NOT that guy". But, I didn't expect such an inept performance by Lopetegui. He does not appear to recognise the squads weaknesses when picking a starting 11's SHAPE.
For me this was the biggest thing from last season. Just how important pace and physicality are in the PL now. We have very little of it. And signing a 31yr old striker plus a 30yr old DM just baffled me.
I don't remember anyone wanting jlo,but i think the fans are behind him..we just want to see something..anything to encourage us that tactics are working. Anywho..not panicing over yesterday..we are 14th. And fans calling sacking...i don't think so..some have,but most are joking i think
Don't know what Jlos tactics are and it appears the player's don't know either
New players, new coach, 5 games in. Let's see how we are going after 20 games, the game was embarrassing but we will turn the corner. Get behind the team
I respect your opinions but I’m a tad concerned 😟
Real Madrid gave him 14 games before giving him the boot
10, 12 games max for me. I've seen nothing apart from 2 x 5 minute spells v City to give me any encouragement. He (Lop) talks the talk, but I suspect the Spanish Blagger doesn't walk the walk... Worrying...
Definitely angry and worried over the result on Sat. But still willing to be patience and see what J.Lo got to offer. With just 5 games in, it is not fair to judge him at the moment. Arteta took about half season to steer his team to move forward. Whoever we appoint, I was expecting a rough ride in the first half of the season. If he can't pull the team together in half a season, that will be very concerning. Don't forgot the team he took over was a Moyes team for the past 4 years. It will take time for the team to un-learn and re-learn the new way.
I have to agree to most people on the weird selection of players at times. But we don't know what is happening behind the scenes where the coaches have the first hand inform as to why they choose what they choose. Got to trust them in the selection. Anyway, their jobs are on the line too. Bad results would also mean off they go when the time is here.
A lot of fans have to grow a pair, we needed a change it starts on the pitch and then the board need to take responsibility, the premier league is getting very boring with teams playing the same. What do I mean about the board taking responsibility they promised us a different style and they said the stadium will be a home for football, there is a lot of stuff to unravel I did see during a video with Bowen there are building works going on the training ground, there seems to be a lot of investment to make West Ham a team a professional would like to play.. but it does start on the pitch! Somehow we have to keep clean sheets, Areola was at fault for the 1st goal.
There's a lot of difference having players with footballing brains and players that have to be coached in every move and placement.
Duran , Smith Rowe & Nelson scoring on the same day hurts - all could have been West Ham players
Nobody has had to rebuild a team as expensively as we have ( maybe Forest last season) I agree it’s not the best start but I think there are signs of improvement. Moyes destroyed our club and it will take more than 5 games and I believe more than one window to fix the complete shambles that was left behind. Loopy was not my first choice of manager but my god I’d take him over moyes
Lopo shows no admission his tactics are wrong, Moyes repetition ? Why can he not see what fans see. Worrying factor is currently who is around, and desirable, to replace him ? Match of the day pundits lay the blame fully at the feet of the manager tactics, and that is rare.
The performance can only be described as "flaccid"
Most didn't want him in the first place
Rodrigues is to slow for the Premier League
We were all saying we had a fantastic transfer window when we can now see we have over paid for crap players
Didnt want Lopetegui, still don't, but prepared to get behind him. Struggling however, look at the midfield but we let JWP go! Poor decision, dont like Guido looks out of place... Irvine looks like a crafty player I'd like to see more of. Patience is low
Much too early to call for sackings but hard to see any thing to be happy about a real problem is still that we are too slow and we bought in too many older players.
But chelsea had 4+ class strikers all we got is a converted winger and ings.
Theirs are class
I find it more concerning that people actually want Moyes back in. Like what!? The only reason yesterday's game felt so frustrating was because it reminded me so much of the last DM games we played...Are people really that frustrated that they blanked out the last season already?
That 3rd goal was classic Pelegríni stuff
@Floorless--- pay your bets mate!!!!! LOL!!!
After a few years of stability we are back on the West Ham rollercoaster.
We found fortune but she has gone back into hiding. That is the West Ham way.
It wasn't stability.... unless you call being in relegation danger with 4 games of season in 2022 "stability"
Geo your page has a voice to be able to settle the fans, use it otherwise we will have a split club at the start of a season already. A video where you show our results and speak about what was our realistic points tally after them all. Fans seem to forget we went up against and lost to a good villa team (just about) thats in the cl. A team thats arguably the best in europe in city and also lost against a team thats spent billions on 40 odd players on massive wages. And weve got points against the clubs we should be getting points from. Theres no need to panick right now give jlo more time. Was we expecting 9 points or more already when weve come up against hard opposition? We got 10 new players its gonna take games and patience. Give the fans a taste of realism instead of thinking we are world beaters who should be winning or drawing against these teams. Thanks
It doesn’t make a difference Thomas, I appreciate what you are saying but it doesn’t alter anything and also, I don’t want to tell people what to think, appreciate that’s not what you are suggesting but all I can do is give my view and I think am usually quite calm - last season I didn’t want DM sacked at any point (wanted him to go but my view didn’t alter since the Conf League final) and atm I don’t want Lopetegui sacked. All I can do imo is give my side.
Why did they not announce Irving when he came on, it’s like they do want to admit he’s part of the team. Just seems reallly weird
Yeah that was nuts 😂
Who should have beaned earmarked to look after Jackson.?⚒
We all mostly agreed we would give him time if we do not hit the ground running . Regarding the Media we all know it was coming . When we won the Conference cup against middle of the table European teams . Media forget if had not won the Man U game with the Benny daisy cutter . We could have gone down . Media can get lost .
Doesn't surprise me that this is happening with loppy I called it pellegrini 2.0
The sad realisation is most didnt want lopetegui but when he signed most have decided to get behind the new manager just hoping hed suprise us all, hes not. The manager has been so unimpressive and even more shocked when he says stuff like I've been watching all summer.
Not convinced steidten wanted him, this is down to sullivan wanting a manager who was free and had premier league experience.
Shocking appointment, now weve got a spanish david moyes whos probably worse.
If it continues like this we can expect lopetegui to be in and then we put a moues/dyche in charge if we end up in a relegation battle.
We're better than this and so is our team, why can we never get a progressive manager?
Allardyce, moyes, lopetegui... whos next????
Going no where under this board!!!!
The defending for the second was shocking...do i want him out no, frustrated yes.
Im hoping he can sort this crap out
Soucek 30 yard pass took me by surprise.
Don't forget arsenal fans wanted arteta gone after 3 games
Yes, but their fans are all deluded...
If he starts Soucek, Antonio and Cresswell against Liverpool, it would say to me loppy is a poor man’s Moyes.
Just pay him off now whilst the damage isn’t terminal? Mark my words by the time we’ve played 10 games our goals against will be more than double it is now with our goal scoring opportunities limited also? Do it now this guy hasn’t a clue?
People JLO has a 2 year contract, should he qualify to Europe within that time = extension. Mid table this year, unless we get relegated=dismissed!! Last year our losses tended to be 5-0, it was only 3-0=improvement!😅
We are just never allowed to get as fans what we want ,we are too bloody nice , we should be like AC milan , insist on what we want , or take coach away and we run team from the stands cos I bet you we would improve the performances . We are starved from what we deserve , it's heart wrenching sometimes
The weak game plan and, even worse, situational tactics undermine whatever the J-Lo philosophy is. A real patience tester, knee jerk sacking - No. What about the player's collective effort?
It's not like the MSM to tell lies
I never wanted him in the first place. He looks clueless. I'd be more forgiving if we were actually trying to implement a play style. It looks like hoofball with a suicidal high line, mental really. He has 3 more games in my opinion as we are lucky to have even 4 points. I would never want a manager to fail but part of me would smile knowing Sulli's wheeler dealer approach blew up in his face i.e. getting the out of work, cheap option with a nice name.
To be honest - Being a “coach” vs “manager” means he is in greater jeapody
geo im done with him already blame that on moyes he killed any patience i had in any manager
Square pegs in round holes lack of c9nfidence among attacking players also to much pressure on bowen being captain
People are emotional, wait and see its still early.
That’s why I do this video the next day, calmer.
Never wanted Moyes out , couldn't believe the campaign to get him out at all, the constant criticism against him coupled with the clubs clear agenda against him after the victory in Europe was absurd.
Not sure what you were watching then. We looked even worse under him. Constant negativity, shipping goal after goal.
We stole the odd result thanks to players like Bowen and Kudus.
We were losing 5-0 to Fulham and Chelsea so the last two results are actually improvements 😂😂😂
We're playng like the walking dead imo , our good players from last season are all but done shot to bits !!! mostly the squad have been ran into the ground over the past 2/3 seasons ..also just look at that bench yesterday . its full of dead beat players that are not fit for purpose and should of been gone YEARS AGO !. this will take 2 seasons min to get over of what we was ..
Prove me wrong but I don't think Lopetegui can manage the players we have.
Didn’t want him from the start ,get Amorin on.
Not many keepers make good managers in my opinion
Losing and no DIngs sub, Sommerville off, Kudus wide rather than behind a striker, already 2 down subs could’ve waited to halftime and maintained a little 🤏🏽 cohesion and morale which could have an effect later on…etc… After such an outlay JL needs the Jan window 🪟 to complete his squad (?) unless beyond repair and we call Moyes or FatSam back..! Todibo definitely on hold because of purchase option, can see no other reason… ✌🏻⚒️🫧⚒️🫧⚒️🫧
Never wanted him, never rated him and can't wait to see the back of him. Almost the right team, but bizarre playing people out of position, not using certain players and continues to use others over the hill or headless chickens. Bowen as captain is just stupid and a tactically inept manager means we will struggle all season. Mid table would be a dream.
Moyes must be pissing himself right now, and rightly so.
Why? He won 4 games in a calendar year, his team conceded 74 goals last season.
@@jamesgunn7 Back to back European football campaigns, our first major silverwear in forever (possibly the last we will see ever). We have become Tottenham in our approach in hounding out our managers. David Moyes was our most successful manager in recent times and should have been applauded.
@@brelshar4968Moyes was a narcissist, gaslighting prick! Glad he went!
But under moyes it was crap , bloody style anti football , and he spent enough money on cack , wasted a fortune and left us in the shit , very selfish man , he new his style wasn't gonna keep him here long so he emptied the pockets before we clapped him off ....nice one
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