Civil Asset Forfeiture in Texas Is Creating An Unlikely Alliance (HBO)

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  • In Texas, a public fight has broken out over a strategy used to fight drug crime: Civil asset forfeiture, which lets police officers seize property from suspected criminals. Opposition to the tactic is uniting two groups who don’t usually get along: lawbreakers, and conservative politicians. VICE News Tonight correspondent Roberto Ferdman goes to Austin, Texas to see how this law is impacting people's lives who aren't actually convicted crimes.
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  • @VICENews
    @VICENews  5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Watch Next: How Police Departments Use Civil Forfeiture to Collect Billions - bit.ly/2tW6aGY

    • @carldooley9344
      @carldooley9344 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Is this video going to be updated following the Supreme Court Verdict on Indiana v Tyson Timbs.

    • @maxalvarado713
      @maxalvarado713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yo, where can I find the sources where you guys found all the information?

    • @ashjin9000
      @ashjin9000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is bad, i did not expected this from President Trump. This method to take property without conviction is bad, atleast there should be measures that would let the innocent get their property back as quickly as possible, meaning certain period where the confiscated items cannot be used or sold till the matter is clear in court, and free of charge if innocent. The biggest problem is, the one's confiscating are the one's using them directly. As for the cartel statement; what happens when the fox kills every rabbit in the forest? No more rabbits. Similarly since the one's taking it are using it directly, it has become part of their diet, meaning cutting the roots of the drug source is bad for them, therefore ending the cartel is bad for them, which was the whole point of the thing, to destroy cartel.

    • @ronaldlynch188
      @ronaldlynch188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're right it is an asset to the officers they don't even have to report it to anyone

    • @TheTheotherfoot
      @TheTheotherfoot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ashjin9000 So much for the land of the free.

  • @shealdedmon7104
    @shealdedmon7104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    Not much difference between that sheriff and the cartel as far as I can see.

    • @Krucifus
      @Krucifus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Except for the fact that we're literally paying the sheriff to steal citizen's property.

    • @samjordan8800
      @samjordan8800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @Sheal Dedmon
      There's plenty of difference between the cartels and that sheriff!
      At least if/when you're dealing with the cartels you know the deal. The cartels aren't trying to be your friend or claim to be helping you as they reach into your back pocket and empty out your wallet! Usually if you deal with the cartels you are pulling your own wallet out to hand them money for a product they are selling. They're not pretending to be the good guys!

    • @MrTopcat3333
      @MrTopcat3333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      THE CARTEL IS LESS LIKELY TO SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK. TREE TRIMMERS ARE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TOO DIE OR BE SERIOUSLY INJURED , YET THEY DO NOT CLAIM TOO BE HERO'S. THE REALITY IS MOST COPS ARE BULLY, COWARDS.

    • @beckywatt5048
      @beckywatt5048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sheal Dedmon No Difference !!!!!

    • @graham2631
      @graham2631 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      One difference cartels don't sit in front of a camera tell you who has the money they stole.

  • @ryanh8945
    @ryanh8945 7 ปีที่แล้ว +363

    How ironic that those who we entrust to fight against theft are the same people who are perpetrating it.

    • @justlistenfornow
      @justlistenfornow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dont trust the mechanic. They can steal from people more than a common thief could.

    • @GentiluomoStraniero
      @GentiluomoStraniero ปีที่แล้ว

      Under color of authority...

    • @antonioaiello6588
      @antonioaiello6588 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well if you don’t commit crimes you won’t lose your stuff

    • @GentiluomoStraniero
      @GentiluomoStraniero ปีที่แล้ว

      @@antonioaiello6588 th-cam.com/video/MkeS_0NQUZs/w-d-xo.html

    • @Madronaxyz
      @Madronaxyz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@antonioaiello6588 I wish what you say was true.
      No conviction is required all is required is for the officer to have a suspicion a crime has been reported. Many people aren't even taken to trial but they still lose their money or other valuable belongings like their car or computer.

  • @dongkong8384
    @dongkong8384 4 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Sheriff:”So many positive things we can do with that money, like using it to keep beating the shit out of normal citizens and stuffing our faces with prime donuts

    • @paulconner4614
      @paulconner4614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      One department bought a margarita machine with it.

    • @ltmundy1164
      @ltmundy1164 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulconner4614: NM, right?

    • @victorianmelody46
      @victorianmelody46 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@paulconner4614 This happens all over the southern highways. The Sheriff called it "pennies from heaven" and bragged about buying a margarita machine for his office. The investigation was called "Policing For Profit. It's still on TH-cam.

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@victorianmelody46Yeah, let's wait for those that might be returning the money from supposed deliveries of drugs into the country, instead of stopping the deliveries by sitting at the other side of the highway.
      Public servants M.A.

  • @eilenekellogg7017
    @eilenekellogg7017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    This cop is a lyer. He know that their taking innocent people's property

  • @losteroni
    @losteroni 5 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    Even when done for what may seem like a good reason , the ability of government to seize property without due process is the beginning of tyranny .

    • @norman7179
      @norman7179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That IS tyranny.

    • @alleyoop4465
      @alleyoop4465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I hate to tell you this but we re already asshole deep in tyranny.

    • @VladTheImpalerTepesIII
      @VladTheImpalerTepesIII 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's not the beginning of tyranny, it IS tyranny. The 2A is supposed to take care of that but the 2A does work when you have a nation of pussies.

    • @babydriver8134
      @babydriver8134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Beginning?
      Surely you jest.

    • @humanbeing5559
      @humanbeing5559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is a lot of things innocent people can do with their money

  • @kvltizt
    @kvltizt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Smoking weed?! You criminal!
    *steals her car*

    • @markkulyas2418
      @markkulyas2418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      But it's legal to smoke cancerous cigarettes and drink alcohol. I don't smoke weed but the hypocrisy is ridiculous.

    • @kentrobinson7479
      @kentrobinson7479 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      *GRAND THEFT AUTO*

    • @bobbypickle67
      @bobbypickle67 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly!!!
      You're not allowed to drink and drive, but you can pull up to any store n buy booze in a drive through. They will also sale you rolling papers, but if you get pulled over after you leave the store you can get a paraphernalia charge. Which could be as high as 500$ depending on city/state laws of coarse

  • @lbaker3602001
    @lbaker3602001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Crime doesn't pay unless your a cop / criminal.

    • @bicyclist2
      @bicyclist2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It pays a lot more if your the Cop.

    • @casimerbrylski1900
      @casimerbrylski1900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      THIN BLUE LINE IS THE LINE BETWEEN BEING A COP OR A CRIMINAL. IT CAN BE INTERCHANGED AT A MOMENTS NOTICE...... NEVER COOPERATE....
      WHEN A COP SHOWS UP....THEY ARE "NEVER THERE TO HELP" . ITS IN THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION!!!

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bicyclist2 Yup, criminals don't get 'qualified immunity' to keep them from being sued.

  • @glasslinger
    @glasslinger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    "We are seizing property of drug cartels!" So they seize a woman's truck who had an ounce of pot. WOW! Really logical.

    • @mikec8017
      @mikec8017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That wasn’t his county nimrod. The old guy was from a county 200 miles away and didn’t have anything to do with her. It’s wrong that Lampasas county took her car, yes, but the two are not the same.

    • @arrrseeingeye
      @arrrseeingeye 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@mikec8017 Think broadly Mike. The sherrif doesn't think his is the only dept doing this so "we" means all counties. He was in a sense speaking on behalf of all theives. Relax bud.

    • @hobbygamer6220
      @hobbygamer6220 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mikec8017 the jackass is still doing it

    • @treeamigo8447
      @treeamigo8447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The cartels needed that 2004 jeep! Now theyre down in Mexico with no way to get their products across the border! Great job police

    • @mikec8017
      @mikec8017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @kady o maybe you should be defunded. BACK THE BLUE

  • @mannyverse6158
    @mannyverse6158 7 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    Asset forfeiture: AKA legalized theft

    • @barbaracrickley6191
      @barbaracrickley6191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That interviewer was useless, gave that arrogant sheriff an easy ride. Hear trump saying "Whats I the name so we can ruin the career" meaning the person who is fighting against this theft. All the imbeciles in the room laughed. Sickening.

    • @SL-pg4dh
      @SL-pg4dh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barbaracrickley6191 Trump is a dumbfuq that strives for the adulation of the company around him. Hed say anything.

    • @rc59191
      @rc59191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing legal about it when it violates the 4th Amendment. People need to get off their asses and start demanding an end to this.

  • @edpetrovski6640
    @edpetrovski6640 5 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I was in the market for a used car. I've found that my negotiation position with a seller improves dramatically when I count out the cash in front of him. Carrying $10,000.00 in cash would not be an unusual thing to do in a situation like that. However....I stopped doing it...not because I was afraid I would be robbed by a bad guy but because I was afraid a cop would do it. Nice, huh?

    • @thelaughingman79
      @thelaughingman79 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      thats why you never answer questions not directly pertaining to the stop. If you do it makes it more suspect when you get to a question you don't want to answer....like, Do you have a large amount of money in your vehicle. for example.

    • @Squilfinator
      @Squilfinator ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@thelaughingman79 regardless, even if you do answer all their questions, never consent to a search

  • @hyrulemazta2296
    @hyrulemazta2296 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The fact that law enforcement can seize your property legally without even charging you with a crime is probably one of the most f*cked up, corrupt and disgusting things I've ever heard of.

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The fact that this exists without having been written to exist within the Constitutional protections is astounding. Everyone has protected rights, this circumvents it all on technicality.

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also, that legality is only there because no one has ripped those abusing it all the way up to the Supreme Court and that Congress has no backbone.

    • @mgsdrp
      @mgsdrp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DennisHolmberg-sl1hz A right that can be taken away, isn't a right, it is a privilege. Words matter. We need someone to inform those in power what the definition of each mean.

  • @piercer4882
    @piercer4882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It is disgusting how the police chief justifies stealing people's belongings.. someone who is caught for simple possession is clearly not a cartel member.. I can't believe this type of crap actually happens and they are able to get away with it

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It is disgusting that he specifically refers to Cartels, when many of the small time CF obviously have nothing to do with such things.

  • @davidkaser7423
    @davidkaser7423 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    How to fix this, ITS CALLED DUE PROCESS. Problem is in America we have a corrupt justice system. Due process is a joke when you are convicted before you step foot in a court room.

    • @mrs.schmenkman2858
      @mrs.schmenkman2858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Let's be clear about one thing. It's not in America that justice system is corrupt. Every. Single. Country. Has corrupt legal system. Why do you think the founding fathers fought so hard to keep the law simple? Men are corrupt...period. This is the fundamental issue with people naively thinking that the system is there to take ca of its citizens

    • @manyhammers5944
      @manyhammers5944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bob Jones Revolution!

  • @omnipotentdwarf571
    @omnipotentdwarf571 5 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Civil asset forfeiture can destroy lives, bankrupt families, make people homeless, and loose their jobs.
    That's like taxation without representation which is one reason the war for independence was fought.

    • @Weightlossjourney24
      @Weightlossjourney24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You know your history well done sir 👊

    • @H.C.Q.
      @H.C.Q. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ...and one of the many reasons a Second Revolutionary War and Second Civil War will be fought!

  • @jamesbnadaparati352
    @jamesbnadaparati352 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The question should b how much of that 53 million come from the cartel mules or how much was taken from law abiding citizens

  • @gregsmith7828
    @gregsmith7828 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    it's also being abused by law" enforcement" to bolster their incomes. Due process should only be the way that forfeiture. Thus hence the term "highway robbery"

  • @shoegum7362
    @shoegum7362 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Innocent until proven guilty.
    When did we give up this right

    • @brandon152lee
      @brandon152lee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      When the militia stopped executing corrupt people.

    • @doctorwhodj
      @doctorwhodj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shoegum when we told the cops : "hey u can use that $$ for new police/sheriff department equipment and payroll" ....

    • @sownheard
      @sownheard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Cynthia Pope this is america

    • @genoaoak
      @genoaoak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same time we gave up due process of law. Thanks, republicans!

    • @ScullCandy56
      @ScullCandy56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      when people started thinking drugs were somehow ruining communities when really its the prohibition that ruins things.......

  • @IAMTHEBIGCHUCQUITA
    @IAMTHEBIGCHUCQUITA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    The reason they don't want to talk to her is because they auctioned her Jeep off!

    • @samjordan8800
      @samjordan8800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @IAMTHEBIGCHUCQUITA
      Either they auctioned it or they're using it to do undercover work....

    • @lesliefranklin1870
      @lesliefranklin1870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Or, an officer is enjoying it as their private vehicle.

    • @beckywatt5048
      @beckywatt5048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It doesn't even have to be c.a.f. , they do it with stolen property, they say it's evidence, and then never give it back , they kept 30,000$ worth of my tools I earned my living with . Axxholes , pure PIRACY !!!! and that's all it is !!! and never really prosecuted the thieves !!!!!

    • @hybridarmy7773
      @hybridarmy7773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep happened to me

    • @hobbygamer6220
      @hobbygamer6220 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@beckywatt5048 what did you guys do about it ?

  • @fireskycam9889
    @fireskycam9889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Can't say I agree with them doing it to someone who is obviously not part of the Cartel.
    There should be a conviction first.
    Making sure that a law that is hundreds of years old stays so you can basically plunder someones property.
    Pathetic.

  • @ElevenAce
    @ElevenAce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hearing her makes my soul hurt.... And the sad part is we know she will never see that Jeep again.

  • @fredred8371
    @fredred8371 5 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I live in Texas and this has happened to me and two other people I know. (And no, none of us are cartel...)

    • @randyjohnson9772
      @randyjohnson9772 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Maybe yall need to be CARTELS against yr TERRORIST system. Blue boys; DAs; judges all live somewhere & doing other shady shit u can get them on!!

  • @rayfordcarpathia4015
    @rayfordcarpathia4015 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    A person should be convicted before assets can be seized permanently. This practice is wrong.

  • @chrisnemec5644
    @chrisnemec5644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As someone wiser than I once said, the more cash involved, the more logic goes out the window.

  • @samjordan8800
    @samjordan8800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There's this bank called Wells Fargo. It was started by a guy named John Wells. Mr. Wells didn't start out to build a bank, he started by running a stagecoach company called John Wells & Co. Stagecoach Company (real original, huh?). Mr. Wells and his stagecoach company was the only stagecoach at the time that would cross the Mississippi River and go all the way to gold country in California if you hired him to do so. So his company was the only one to go far.
    Well guess what?
    His customers nicknamed his stagecoach company "The Far-go"!
    When bandits and bank robbers would see his stagecoach come through, sometimes they were tempted to rob it. After all, eventually it got to the point where it kept a pretty regular schedule. So when they did rob it, they sometimes left the passengers and driver standing by the side of the road with nothing but the clothes on their backs even though they might have started the trip with enough money to make a new life at their destination.
    John Wells got tired of his people and his customers getting robbed by bandits along the highway, so he started hiring men who knew how to handle a shotgun to fight off the bandits. That's where the term "riding shotgun" comes from; the guy up front beside the driver who shot at the robbers literally carried a shotgun.
    The reason I just went through this long-winded explanation is because these days the police have become the highway robbers who are stealing from honest hard-working people, and it will someday become a civilian's duty to "ride shotgun" to protect the public from those highway robbers - badges or not - and mark my words, the police (or their widows and widowers) will come to regret stealing from hard-working people who have done nothing wrong.
    It might not happen in my lifetime, but mark my words, it WILL happen. And with all the electronics so many people carry and know how to use that record live video, eventually the support of the public will turn against the police officers who leave honest, hard-working people standing by the side of the road with nothing but the clothes on their backs.
    If you think James O'Keefe's Project Veritas is interesting, wait until somebody figures out how to live stream a civil asset seizure without the police knowing they're on camera....

  • @blackkaw1
    @blackkaw1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    seizing citizens private property is fighting drug cartels in mexico?

    • @Flashyfinancier
      @Flashyfinancier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      that old cop is not that bright

    • @Superman679
      @Superman679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is for Republicunts in Tex-ass/ He probably thinks that him and Trumptard are best of friends and he has nothing to worry about. If something happens, he just has to call his besty and have him send the national guard or army in.

  • @rustyshackleford349
    @rustyshackleford349 7 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Civil asset forfeiture is pathetic and un-American. I would vote not-guilty in any case where a LEO died trying to seize someone's property in such a manner.

    • @apokryphos117g
      @apokryphos117g 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rusty Shackleford I agree 💯% with you Mr. Gribble.

    • @bds3919
      @bds3919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There usually is no court. That's the whole point.
      A taco truck owner had $10,000 taken by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. No arrest and no charges. A state judge ordered the return of his money. Too bad. His money had already been transferred to the feds. His lawyer advised him to write it off. It's just too expensive to fight the U.S. government.

    • @erico7430
      @erico7430 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great point, didn't think of that. I would do the same.

    • @wildbikerbill6530
      @wildbikerbill6530 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Armando van Haaren Exactly. The fact they gave away money that was not theirs should not be his problem.

    • @breakermorant2428
      @breakermorant2428 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wild Biker Bill
      ....theirs....

  • @kristybarnes2563
    @kristybarnes2563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm going through similar. But no drugs they arrested me & towed my vehicle for registration not being in my name. I'm still attempting to get it back.

  • @brucewilson2763
    @brucewilson2763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    “Suspected” isn’t nearly enough.

  • @MegzeeR
    @MegzeeR 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This is just a drop in the ocean regarding this and our bought and paid for congress makes great lip service about how outrageous it's getting and yet does nothing about it. We are having expensive homes taken when a child of the owners gets arrested with $40 worth of heroin. Company owned vehicles seized when employees get caught breaking the law in them. Commercial properties stolen when renters in that property commit some sort of crime and the owners of the buildings had nothing at all to do with the business that rented from them. Cash taken from drivers on highways without any charges or even tickets written. Citizens extorted by threats of severe retaliation if they dare fight back or offered half back if they become too loud. I mean would this really even be an issue in a true Constitutional Republic where the rights of the individuals are to be protected above all else BY our government agencies? Maybe this is the giant alarm bells ringing for the time to wake up and take notice of what the hell is really going on in this totalitarian fascist police state.

  • @lilh0e
    @lilh0e 7 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Guilty until proven innocent

    • @patriley5080
      @patriley5080 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but remember that I am not a drug cartel member and I have lost 6 Apple I tunes,cards over the year.

    • @thedevilsadvocate5210
      @thedevilsadvocate5210 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apple iTunes cards?

  • @esmith1128
    @esmith1128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would like to see a breakdown of all of the seizures and who it was seized from to see what percentage of property seized was from cartels. I bet it’s a low percentage.

  • @billyholmes3
    @billyholmes3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A few years back they were called Highway Men

  • @redwhiteandbluebonnets8180
    @redwhiteandbluebonnets8180 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Anyone taking something from someone else without a judge's order is an armed thief and should be treated as such, badge or not.

  • @plop4493
    @plop4493 7 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Doesn't the police department eventually get to auction off assets that go uncollected? Criminals busting "criminals" under the guise of fighting the cartel. Want to really fight the cartel? Legalize everything and treat drugs as a public health issue, not criminal. Ohh but the DEA doesn't want that, their jobs are more important!

    • @brendabautista9683
      @brendabautista9683 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Especially when they say they lost her vehicle that way they can never give it back to her. And then she ain't got a leg to stand on at the end no matter what there will be a judge it will be in one of them cops pocket at the end she's not going to get shit. Especially from Texas

    • @76rjackson
      @76rjackson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, I don't indulge myself but have been to Amsterdam a few times and if she wants to get high, let her. Portugal legalized everything and does exactly as you suggest. They treat addiction. It's time to empty the jails of the petty offenders. Legalize it and pull the rug out from under the cartels.

    • @boby9222
      @boby9222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plop i dont think they should legalize every drug i mean heroine and cocaine is some really heavy shit, maybe just the little shit like weed or acid or something.

    • @yungsouichi2317
      @yungsouichi2317 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@boby9222 Then criminalize distribution instead of mere possession.

    • @boby9222
      @boby9222 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yungsouichi2317 i mean ya for sure but still you should at least be arrested for some of the heavier drugs and like get a court order to take a rehab class.

  • @jasoncoomer1226
    @jasoncoomer1226 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    *When the protectors become the predators...*
    #LivingBehindEnemyLines

  • @PlayfulJoyful
    @PlayfulJoyful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Keep taxes low by confiscating property from citizens. @5:40

  • @patricklee780
    @patricklee780 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "It's a big club and you ain't in the big club"...George Carlin.

  • @stevendeane4447
    @stevendeane4447 7 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    So much for the presumption of innocence

    • @Prometheukles
      @Prometheukles 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How are you innocent when caught with drugs?

    • @FortuneZer0
      @FortuneZer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Well, there needs to be a conviction first.

    • @Prometheukles
      @Prometheukles 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I guarantee you there will be one. First two cops as witnesses, second presumably the balls of resin as evidence and thirdly and most daringly her own admission, to the police, that it is indeed a marijuana product and not black tar heroin. No lawyer in the world could get her of...

    • @FortuneZer0
      @FortuneZer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Im not denying that. I am merely stating the fact that there has to be a conviction until the presumption of innocence is lifted.

    • @Prometheukles
      @Prometheukles 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then we are in agreement. Ave

  • @tooge47
    @tooge47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The fact there is even any DEBATE about this subject shouts volumes !!
    EVERYONE should already know this is wrong

  • @flagmichael
    @flagmichael 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I was appalled by the sheriff's argument about civil asset forfeiture being the only effective tool they have against the cartels. After all, summary executions would be even more effective, but that would not make them right. Having _no_ effective tools on the enforcement side would actually be a benefit in the big picture; moving away from approaches that don't work is how we get to approaches that do work. As it is, the ineffective efforts at enforcement admittedly allow the cartels to go about their business with only a slight adjustment. However, law enforcement is very good at devastating lives of citizens who may or may not be guilty of an associated offense.

    • @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz
      @DennisHolmberg-sl1hz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like demolishing old property, executions costs money, they're in the business of making money, as always 'other peoples money'.

    • @mgsdrp
      @mgsdrp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do not see how this law really impacts the Cartels in any meaningful way.

  • @rulesforrebels
    @rulesforrebels 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    this is a very abused system

  • @Valivali94
    @Valivali94 7 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Classic police state.

  • @fnewman8805
    @fnewman8805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    much love to the Sister that lost the jeep

  • @traversinglight1183
    @traversinglight1183 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Sheriff has some nerve, at the 6:07 mark he goes in on people who complain and site things that they have heard about asset forfeiture without showing any proof, yet at the beginning the sheriff wouldn't name the senator who was in opposition to asset forfeiture when President Trump asked. If that isn't hypocritical I don't know what is...."Double Speak is the language that law enforcement uses. Especially operating under color of law & not abiding by their oaths to the Constitution.
    The lack of due process violates the constitution. Enforce it. Hold these local, state and federal authorities accountable for their actions. Learn your state's organic constitution & enforce it....

  • @usfdave10
    @usfdave10 7 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Whats the percentage that asset forfeiture are coming from the Cartel and from US citizens? Is this law hurting more or less US citizens than its helping?

    • @dimmondog322
      @dimmondog322 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      usfdave10 it's something along the line of 90% civilian and 10% drug cartel. They did another documentary on it

    • @usfdave10
      @usfdave10 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Daniel Baux Oh, they never stated that in this video though. So the law is hurting more US citizens than its stopping the Cartel, but they disguise it as if it is helping stop the "war on drugs".

    • @dimmondog322
      @dimmondog322 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      usfdave10 yessir. It's pretty much only targeting American citizens. Some stories are beyond fucked up too. Where families who own a legal weed business in legal states get their house raided. And the police take all the cars, all the cash, all the tvs, and they even take the wife's nude pictures/sex objects.

    • @Iktomeone
      @Iktomeone 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There's also a statistic on the other documentary that says the average amount of cash taken by cops is $800. Cartels my fucking ass.

    • @usfdave10
      @usfdave10 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      and @3:42 the president threatens to "destroy someones career" over protecting this law. Seems like peoples lives are already getting destroyed.
      Wouldn't republicans get behind stopping this bill of it costs American workers their jobs and which leads to onto the handout system?

  • @don4298
    @don4298 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Never trust a cop, they are not your friend.

    • @sthavoc8
      @sthavoc8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A truer statement has never been made!!!!

  • @Amywazwaz06
    @Amywazwaz06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am a legal business owner. The Duncanville police department took all of my CBD products claiming they were marijuana. They filed civil asset forfeiture case against me. The case was dismissed and yet the police department still refuses to return the $11,841.00 they took from me. No legal charges have been filed against me. No testing has been done in the products to prove what they are.
    Civil asset forfeiture case law needs to be reformed. Average citizens are being hurt by the broad laws. Conviction should be required to keep property. Civil asset forfeiture cases are the only time you are not innocent until proven guilty. It assumes you are guilty, doesn’t require any conviction to punish you.

  • @stupidplumbing2343
    @stupidplumbing2343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The "war on drugs", ruining one life at a time.

  • @milesdowning9257
    @milesdowning9257 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    WHAT IS THE POINT OF WORKING HARD AND CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY IF THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT IS JUST GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY AT RANDOM

    • @mtadc1545
      @mtadc1545 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what income taxes are too.

  • @johnpitchlynn3004
    @johnpitchlynn3004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Civil Asset forfeiture without conviction is nothing but theft. And it is unconstitutional. Your property cannot be seized without due process of law. Period.

  • @philliplopez8745
    @philliplopez8745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And they wonder why we call them " pigs "

  • @jonproxy2758
    @jonproxy2758 7 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Legal Theft

  • @ByteMe619
    @ByteMe619 7 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    Property is liberty. America's gone down the wrong path from the revolution, and that's coming from a Brit.

    • @TarsonTalon
      @TarsonTalon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What was the point of all the deaths from that war, if this was how things were going to end up anyway? Amiright?

    • @franciscoacevedo3036
      @franciscoacevedo3036 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      THIS gov official ABUSE IS one of the reasons WHY WE HAVE BLACKLIVESMATTER

    • @jasonstough6675
      @jasonstough6675 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +francisco acevedo did you know that B.L.M. was funded by George Soros who is a white man who doesn't care about you! It's only about the end game!!! Do your research and find out what comes from where.

    • @daltonwatson2058
      @daltonwatson2058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MrTron the cops do target black people. Detroit cops are trained to stop black people instead of white people, so says a retired Detroit officer.

  • @terencejay8845
    @terencejay8845 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We have a similar thing in the UK called The Proceeds of Crimes Act. But, there must be a conviction before assets are seized and sold.

  • @hectochango5831
    @hectochango5831 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If someone stole my life savings and I had nothing left I'm showing up on that cop's front door and changing both our lives.

  • @SavageInstitute
    @SavageInstitute 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Why not the death penalty before conviction?

    • @DanTheMailman330
      @DanTheMailman330 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sadly, to many in law enforcement have been doing just that...

  • @lemmegetamuhfckinuhhh2023
    @lemmegetamuhfckinuhhh2023 7 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The money they got from this poor girls car probably only covered a week or 2 pay of her arresting officer

    • @GarrySkipPerkins
      @GarrySkipPerkins 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They buy margarita machines with this stuff. These cops are dirty. They fund their illicit activities from theft. They are nazis and communists working against the American people.

    • @mba2ceo
      @mba2ceo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      who is a criminal and should be legally hanged. My opinion.

  • @trebelclef
    @trebelclef 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yeah it’s a benefit to the officers, they keep the damn cash and sell off the cars and possessions for cash.

  • @leedza
    @leedza 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    taxation without representation

  • @onglee9311
    @onglee9311 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This state needs to be investigated at every level and sued by the citizens.

  • @CreekyGuy
    @CreekyGuy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thank you State Sen Konni Burton. Writing your name is one of the few times I have no urge to throw up, when referring to an elected official. Keep up the good fight.

  • @LifeBetweenTheDash
    @LifeBetweenTheDash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love how the Sheriff can just stay clueless because he's adding to his department's bottom line.

  • @Derseffect
    @Derseffect 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don’t see where anything they seized was from a cartel

  • @dennislaw2135
    @dennislaw2135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    If something like this happened to me i would become a thief, and i would target all law enforcement officers.

    • @jason127x99
      @jason127x99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      D O can't say I blame you.

  • @checkmatefurries286
    @checkmatefurries286 7 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    I wonder how proponents of Civil Asset Forfeiture would react if it was used on law abiding gun owners?

    • @dimmondog322
      @dimmondog322 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Vaf lose their shit

    • @FortuneZer0
      @FortuneZer0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      It IS used on guns.

    • @JewTube001
      @JewTube001 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Your gun is the first thing they would take.

    • @organiholic1183
      @organiholic1183 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      well that and CASH!!

    • @patriley5080
      @patriley5080 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think that this is going to be a GOOD THING can anyone find a,way to get the era's readers.

  • @bobbays1552
    @bobbays1552 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a simple end run around due process
    It also gives the state the opportunity to completely strip a person of the right to even defend yourself in court

  • @slackhackman9115
    @slackhackman9115 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Someone should tell that sheriff the Cretaceous called and they want their dinosaur back.

  • @FireOccator
    @FireOccator 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Weakening the cartel." LOL

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      If we steal enough money then logically some of it may have eventually ended up with drug cartels.
      So you see us strongarming citizens is for freedom.

  • @Skunkhunt_42
    @Skunkhunt_42 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    "you make it, we take it" - DEA

    • @DBSbluedevil
      @DBSbluedevil 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      JM Herring Drug Extortion Agency

    • @Prometheukles
      @Prometheukles 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep up the work Skunk... Love your planes =)

  • @SHINNBUCKED
    @SHINNBUCKED 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Policing for profit is the major factor undermining the publics confidence in law enforcement.

  • @johnmagill9496
    @johnmagill9496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are alot of questions this reporter could have asked that sheriff but he really blew it. Also the reason that girl can't find out anything about her Jeep is because after a month or so that thing has already been auctioned off and the cops kept the cash.

  • @stephenmoore3091
    @stephenmoore3091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this is an issue where everyone should agree if there is no crime than your stuff should be left alone.

    • @siriusgd4753
      @siriusgd4753 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you're wasting air under the federal "blow it out your ass" law of 2001. Where do you live so we can come take all your shit?

  • @poopy9184
    @poopy9184 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A gofundme should be started for her to get some new wheels. I would come out of pocket.

  • @lesliefranklin1870
    @lesliefranklin1870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Note that Civil Asset Forfeiture does not require that the assets taken are from people who are charged with a crime, much less convicted. It does not even require probable cause.
    For example, if you have $10,000 cash and are going to the next town to buy a car, if you are stopped by the police, they can say that they suspect that money is involved with drugs. They can take that money from you at the side of the road without due process. To get that money back, you have to hire a lawyer and go into a courtroom that benefits from the money taken from you and you have to prove that money was not to be used for drugs. You will probably not get your money back, but you still have to pay your lawyer.
    The problem is that the police officers and courts that take your money use it as a revenue stream. It's very much a tax at gunpoint.
    The way it should work, is that the onus needs to be on the police and the courts to prove that the money was intended for illegal purposes. The best way to do that is through a conviction. For international drug lords, convictions are often obtained "in absencia" if they cannot be brought into court. Those kind of trials happen all the time. Otherwise, the money should be returned to the owner.

  • @justcubbin
    @justcubbin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:15 It's just a benefit for the officers, the department, and the citizens.
    Well . . . we see where we the citizens stand in the pecking order.
    The taking of ANY property from ANY citizen without due process runs a bulldozer over the rights of ALL citizens.
    Better a 100 criminals go free than one innocent convicted.

  • @screamingeagle7
    @screamingeagle7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    How is this not a violation of the 14th amendment?

    • @swinde
      @swinde 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      It is also a violation of the Fourth Amendment. It is only one sentence. 55 words. A moron should be able to understand by reading it that asset forfeiture is unconstitutional whether the victim is a "cartel" or an ordinary citizen.

    • @scottlemiere2024
      @scottlemiere2024 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's not a violation because they aren't charging a person with a crime, they are charging the ITEM with a crime. Items have no rights so YOU must prove that the item was not used in or was the product of a crime.

    • @MasterChief-sl9ro
      @MasterChief-sl9ro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The item is "Property" and to deprive someone of it. Without first charging them. Is a violation of the Bill of Rights. My source. The fucking United States Supreme Court...
      Thank You

    • @scottlemiere2024
      @scottlemiere2024 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except that they said the exact opposite.
      They don't need to charge a person and they ARE filing charges; against the property. You really need to keep up to date on your SCoTUS rulings if you're going to try and quote them.

    • @HammerheadGuitar
      @HammerheadGuitar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You have no amendments, now shut up and lick my government issued boots.

  • @Patchesmcgee123
    @Patchesmcgee123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    She's one of the few tea party politicians who doesn't seem batshit crazy. Fair play to her.

    • @barbaracrickley6191
      @barbaracrickley6191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Has the US moved into the twilight zone, it seems to be a terrifying place to live. Everything has flipped on its head, evil is good, wrong is right, police are criminals the law is unlawful. Crazy place.

    • @Danielperez-to6vh
      @Danielperez-to6vh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@barbaracrickley6191 well said! I've already began my due diligence to moving someplace abroad and renouncing my US citizenship!

    • @davidtaylor4053
      @davidtaylor4053 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@barbaracrickley6191
      Wait til there is LPR on every corner

  • @kus0mak
    @kus0mak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This reminds me of the old Robin Hood tales with the sheriff's men seizing (stealing) anything not nailed down and most of those things if they could pry them free.
    I foresee many modern day Robin Hoods coming about. Sort of like the book "Unintended Consequences".

  • @catvansancina4644
    @catvansancina4644 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At one time, asset forfeiture was only done by the IRS for unpaid taxes. Giving the local police this power was a huge obvious mistake.

  • @oldman9843
    @oldman9843 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That law is messed up .If convicted of certain felonies I could see that but not just because of arrest . That means they could arrest anyone and take their property .

  • @sdnlawrence5640
    @sdnlawrence5640 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    May I suggest a follow-up report in light of the recent Supreme court decision, Timbs v. Indiana?

  • @cmonster6
    @cmonster6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Legislation needs to be enacted so that CAF under a certain amount whether drugs or cash require a jury trial to determine if CAF is warranted

  • @timothyduffy8818
    @timothyduffy8818 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I presume his salary and retirement would be greatly reduced if he could no longer steel from his citizens.

  • @MaJieMao
    @MaJieMao 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This only becomes a real problem when people who aren't using or dealing drugs start getting their cars taken away.

    • @Pecan3.14
      @Pecan3.14 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is. There have been people who have had their money taken with no drugs on them just too much cash.

    • @Pecan3.14
      @Pecan3.14 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's the police state we live in which was started long before Obama.

    • @l.austin2371
      @l.austin2371 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @harvey carter air head

    • @l.austin2371
      @l.austin2371 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @harvey carter well trumo agrees with this as you saw so ur blaming the wrong guy

  • @timgraham7851
    @timgraham7851 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Not getting any of my property without a gun fight.

  • @politicallyincorrect9027
    @politicallyincorrect9027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds like a good way to cause even more civil unrest.

  • @stevenstanley5109
    @stevenstanley5109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is unbelievable that they do not need a conviction.

  • @NoelleNaturally
    @NoelleNaturally 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Flashing your lights is legal First Amendment speech, according to the Supreme Court.

  • @douchechips
    @douchechips 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    the city of Rockwell is also rich as shit fyi

    • @brendabautista9683
      @brendabautista9683 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      douchechips oh hell yeah. A lot of cities in Texas are. Because of this and many other things they do saying it's because of the cartel it's just legalized theft

  • @ladydragon7777
    @ladydragon7777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Citizens need to start pressing charges of constitutional right violations, perjury,crimes under title 18 u.s.c. sections 241 and 242,grand larceny, criminal theft,grand theft auto.

  • @stupidplumbing2343
    @stupidplumbing2343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This cop is nothing more than a criminal himself. Fighting for the "authority" to take innocent people's property. Cop logic 101: Why should we have to prove someone committed a crime? Shouldn't our "word" be enough?

    • @zacharycannon3651
      @zacharycannon3651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      exactly, its fucking disgusting and makes me sick to my stomach

  • @dannysmith2917
    @dannysmith2917 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Actually just a couple of weeks ago this was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

    • @mikegerard6562
      @mikegerard6562 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Danny Smith actually, they only ruled that the seizure couldn't exceed the monetary penalty of a crime. They said NOTHING about uncharged people who had their money stolen by armed robbers with badges.

  • @TEXAS713EDITION
    @TEXAS713EDITION 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    sad that my county is the only county in Texas you can carry 4 ounces of bud without going to jail should be the whole state ... Harris County/Houston

  • @Bart12349
    @Bart12349 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Privateers and Buccaneers. Rest in peace Edward Teach (1680 - Nov. 22, 1718).

  • @TheDaedalx
    @TheDaedalx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The cartel is fighting itself and we are all in the crosshairs.

  • @moeshouse575
    @moeshouse575 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    if i was her. Texas would be history for me.

  • @on2wheels378
    @on2wheels378 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In any state/county/city/or town. the Police and Sheriff's departments are the biggest criminal gang.

  • @guardsmanom134
    @guardsmanom134 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just one question,...
    If civil asset forfieture is to combat the drug cartels, WHY ARE THEY GETTING AMERICAN GUNS FROM THE SAME LEO'S?

  • @fhuber7507
    @fhuber7507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Civil Asset Forfeiture should AUTOMATICALLY return the assets if there are no charges.