I love the subtle dig towards McArthur in this. Even Eisenhower admitted that he learned theatrics because of McArthur but he never let that affect the overall big picture.
It’s amazing of the bond you form with those in the military. I met a Marine at a football game last year and we both realized we were in Afghanistan at the same time. We swapped stories and became friends…that soldier to soldier comment saved Patton’s ass imo
It's interesting that General Omar Bradley was also once seconded to Patton, as recently as the Italian campaign. Patton seemed to hit a promotion ceiling. His talents as a field commander couldn't overcome his deficiencies in dealing with people or politics.
His talents as a field commander are not desperate from those things. He slapped a shell shock soldier, was racist to black soldiers and his performance post war prompted his dismissal
By the time an officer reaches senior flag rank (O-9 equivalent or higher) they should be aware that the job's often more about politics than it is military command. Ike, Bradley, Spaatz, Patch, and even Clark realized that and fulfilled their duties competently - Patton never seemed to learn the lesson. In the Pacific Macarthur didn't either, but he had powerful friends in congress who protected him (had literally ANY other officer lost the Philippines like Macarthur did he'd have been court martialed) and knew how to play the press to his personal advantage - the scene here with with Ike talking to the SHAEF public affairs officer is a great counterpoint to Macarthur's blatant self aggrandizement.
@@MisterMac4321 One characteristic of Ike is that if a General was running into issues with success on the battlefield, he would yard them out and replace them quickly - yet, it was never the signal of the end of their careers, as he was able to observe those generals would be better in a different situation. There are notable generals such as Patton that he pulled the leash tight, then unleashed them at a later time when they would be even more effective.
No one doubts he was at heart a good man, but his problems were centered around his ego. He was a warrior who was happiest in war. Peace was difficult for him, much like how it was for Churchill (his "Black Dog" depression). Patton grew up in a family of military heroes. He never felt equal to them.
@@RedDiomedes Actually, he chose an all Black tank regiment for a task based on their outstanding performance. I am unable to recall them right now, however he referred to them as the best damn tank regiment he had ever seen. Patton valued performance.
I think they go back even further. George was in the 1912 Olympics, with Jim Thorpe. Ike played college football against Big Jim. And lived to tell about it.
@@JohnyZman LMAO. Using buzzwords. Btw they did go back to their own country, they stayed for a few years to oversee the building of a Socialist regime and then they left.
True. Hollywood couldn't get permission from the Eisenhower's. As for "Patton" his wife Beatrice would never have given Her permission to make that movie in the first place had she been alive.
I have no idea how IKE kept his focus and his sanity juggling all the chainsaws he had to deal with Monty, Patton. De Gaulle, the Ardennes and the rest of it and yet he shepherded overlord through successfully. I went through life thinking that he wasn’t that bright but he had smarts and the ability to cope with all the strains and stresses of war. Of course Patton was probably a full time job by himself.
FDR gave him and general Marshal crash courses in politics, as often as he could. General Marshal gave Ike a generals corps that was focused on team work. When that was not the case (like with Patton) he gave him knew he could handle himself since most of the senior offices knew each other- pre WW2 it had been a small military. With Patton one had to stand his ground and not let him intimidate him. Not an easy thing.
And he made the call to go when they only had a very narrow window of good weather. That's what really caught the German high command with their pants down.
@@ronniebishop2496 Yes, that was one of the most successful deception campaigns in military history. The invasion was well underway, and the German high command was still sure it was just a diversion, and the main landings would be at the Pas De Calais.
Supreme Allied Commander, what a title of ultimate responsibility, only President Roosevelt outranked Ike, and I'm sure he wouldn't have even dared! IKE was Great General and POTUS! What a career!!!
Patton was so feared they built an entire fictional army around him and the Germans would never believe he wouldn’t be in charge of the invasion until it was to late, that’s how valuable Patton was, that fiction saved thousands of lives and probably saved the entire invasion. And after Patton got in the war he went wild winning more battles in American history and saving the 101st Airborne at Bastogne while Monty and Everyone else were saying it couldn’t be done.
@@derrickstorm6976 Really well Rommel committed suicide at the behest of Hitler and Patton got killed in a car wreck or something? So when did they write their own history? Asking for a friend.
Total rubbish. Patton did not even rate a German dossier before D-Day. The Germans accepted the fictional army ruse without identifying Patton as its commander. There is no evidence that Montgomery uttered any opinion regarding events Patton and Bastogne.
Rubbish The Germans had no opnion on Patton. They fell for the fictional army ruse without connecting Patton with that army. Patton did not even rate a German dossier before D-Day.
@@derrickstorm6976What, you’ve got to be kidding. Plus this conversation between Ike and Patton never took place it’s all a bunch of Hollywood bull Shit! Now look that up, they didn’t give a damn about racial issues, the army was segregated for crying out loud. Unbelievable. According to the 101st Airborne easy company which is easy to prove. They have an entire show called We stand alone together. Bastogne was absolutely about to go down.
That maybe so but Ike WAS Patton's superior and Patton was causing trouble with the press and did slap a shell shocked soldier, hell he almost told the press about the upcoming Allied invasion, also Ike wrote about this meeting in his memoirs, he had to reel Patton in to stop him from causing trouble and if you ask me Patton deserved it even though I respect him as a brilliant military tactician and leader
There was something really poignant in that moment when Patton's helmet falls, and he bends to pick it up. I wonder if that was in the script, or a happy accident?
Got dam it George shut up! Loved that scene! In my strongest opinion, General Patton was a flaming racist however, the man flat out knew logistics. General Ike undoubtedly rendered the right decision to keep General Patton aboard. Hands down, this is one of the best leadership movie I've seen in a long time. MDMP at it's best!
9:00 The Paratrooper Issue was literally create havoc and keep the Germans reinforcements from the Beaches without matter if that would take Lost the Entire Airborne Force…
It’s interesting reading people’s comments on the personalities of these monumental military figures. You have to admit, to achieve such a status during such a war that has been unbelievably catastrophic, you need people with larger-than-life personalities. I can’t speak on military experience as I have none, but it must’ve been hard knowing you’re directly responsible for creating such large campaigns that are certainly going to lead to the death of thousands of soldiers and civilians alike. It cannot be easy. Regardless of politics, you need to find leaders that have those unique qualities that can be “best” suit the particular strategy and tactics needed to succeed on such an dynamic global battlefield.
Remember, soldiers follow there leaders because we believe in them, we never ask the cost (yes we are VERY afraid), but only to do our duty as our oath commands us. "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations" this part means everything. Retired, US Army enlisted.
@ExceedingNormal Any examples of historical inaccuracies in this? (I know there is a biggie at the end where Ike is seen with the paratroops on June 6, who actually left the night of June 5).
I’m not sure but i do know a lot of generals hated Patton and referred to him as childish, and Patton really did slap a solder who was suffering from PTSD and Patton called him a coward, Patton’s own officers who he commanded couldn’t stand him and said that he took all the glory while they all suffer, but their was no denying that Patton was a smart General who was just a bit immature
Dwight Eisenhower could be very intimidating when crossed. He did have Patton near to tears. He completely humiliated Joe McCarthy on the campaign train to Ohio back in the 1950's.
There's this, and then there's "Patton" - both products of Hollywood. Is the truth somewhere in the middle? Probably. Regardless, when the chips were down, they always called in their boy Georgie. And that's a fact, absolutely as controversial as he was.
@@ronniebishop2496 Then why did Patton issue a public apology? You think he would have done that if Ike hadn't TOLD him his choices were humble himself or catch a boat home?
i think if im not wrong that GI soldier is shell shock or war shock. and having malaria in middle east is unlikely knowing that mosquitos carry them and theres hardly water around
I agree Sir. Serving for 30 years with the US Navy I learned one thing..... It did not matter what the skin color of the man next to you, no matter your perceived prejudice that you grew up with... when all things were really, really bad around you, it always was that person you distrusted most who seemed to have everything together and pulled your ass out the shithole you were in. Pardon my language.
Maureen. I have respect for anyone who goes into action. Two of my uncles fought alongisde the Gurkhas at a village called Cassino in Italy. It is not well known, but some of the Gurkhas may know of it.
Ike never wanted the glory. That is what made him a great general and a great caretaker President in troubled times. He wanted the Running Backs to get the credit not the coaches… This is an amazing movie Selleck played that role perfectly.
He was a great military leader, no doubt but, the Presidency confused him; he didn't respond quickly enough to McCarthyism and the CIA manhandled him. In the end America was set on a path to world supremacy featuring a cold war and a worthless military build up which has only ignited a continuing blaze of fires in different parts of the world. His quote "Beware of the military industrial complex" was a prime example of shutting the barn door after the horse was gone. Now, if JFK wasn't assassinated ....
Patton was a lot of things but never DISHONORABLEI don’t think he would come out of his meeting with IKE smacking his mouth about playing IKE like a violin he did however, GLOAT when BEADLE was told by PATTON that he could relive the 101st Airborne at Bastogne by saying something like “iIKE has balls in a meat grinder and I’m holding the handle”
He didn’t say that and Ike didn’t give a damn about racism, the army was segregated, hell doesn’t Hollywood even know that? How ignorant. This conversation never took place
@@thebrickseller Well Omar Bradley answered that question for you, as ridiculous as it sounds. Roosevelt had polio and was in a wheelchair! And Churchill was a WW1 hero and couldn’t pass a physical for WW2.? Plus General Bradley, said that he had been trained to lead troops into war, but the difference between him and Patton was that he was trained to do it and Patton loved it.
Patton was not as likeable as Ike, but he was a better field commander, Ike was just a politition and planner, he gave the orders, patton carried them out, Both were a genius mind though
In truth Monty was overall ground forces' commander which he was to relinquish after the beachhead breakout. However he had hoped that once it was done the relinquishment would not happen. He did not realize that since nearly 2/3 of the armies in the Western Front were American that it did not make political sense that an Englishman should be in command.
“If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.” - General William Tecumseh Sherman, United States Army
Patton often had low regard for IKE because he was never in the first war with him. But I agree he wouldn’t have talked smack like that. And he was IKE’s ace
Payton was way way out of line slapping those soldiers people just didn’t understand the meaning of combat fatigue back then and it’s long term effects
“So go get some publicity for the Running Backs.” Once an Army Football Player, ALWAYS an Army Football Player. He once played against the great Jim Thorpe when Army played Carlisle back in his cadet years. Payton was right though. He knew what the future held because he looked at Nazism and Communism as two sides of the same coin.
maureen. I am not "outtrolled". I am always genuine and never "troll". You may - that is your decision. The men of Easy Company were mentored, as are all heroes who serve even today for the United States. Easy Company men were mentored by Dick Winters. Winters was mentored by Marshall, Marshall by Pershing. The mentoring goes back to Grant and Washington. Other armies cannot compete with these experts. By the way, you must be one of very few women in this unit.
I think the fact that IKE never invited Monty to the White House as President speaks volumes on the nature of their relationship. In fact, it’s interesting that Bedel-Smith seemed to be excluded from command, even for Korea.
He was never heard from again in history. IKE was MacArthur’s COS and he advanced quite a bit. “Bedel” vanished then again, he probably didn’t win any friends being IKE’s hatchet man
@@michelmendoza1769Walter Bedell "Beetle" Smith most assuredly did not vanish after WWII. After the war, Beetle served as tthe United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union, then Director of the CIA, then Under Secretary of State. After Eisenhower became president, Beetle Smith served the administration in various capacities during Ike's two terms. He died from a heart attack at age 65 in August 1961, seven months after Ike left office. Beetle was buried at Arlington National Cemetery, near the gravesite of General George C. Marshall.
That's somewhat debatable. The Germans never thought much of him according to most official sources out there, and in cases where Patton gets a lot of credit (like Germany's winter '44 offensive) Patton actually took longer to break through then the Germans themselves expected. I'm not saying Patton was a "bad" general, but it's clear that Pattons personality has lead to history rating him higher then most facts would give him credit for.
The guy who played Patton neither looked, sounded nor acted like the real general. No doubt Patton was very grateful to Eisenhower, who was a personal friend of his, but there is no way Patton would have groveled to him as he knew he would be badly needed for the extremely difficult tank thrust around the back of the Normandy main offensive. Using Patton to divert the attention of the Germans away from Normandy was a brilliant move by Eisenhower and in any event he would not risk his best general in a risky beach assault as he knew Patton would insist on being in the thick of it and would take enormous risks to out-do Montgomery.
I get the feeling that IKE’s relationship with Payton was strained at best after all, back in the US they thought GSP was the best of the best. I shudder to think what the relationship between Patton and MacArthur might have been like! He probably would have tried bullying Nimitz
Patton was right though. At least about the Soviets. We should have marched in to Berlin gathered up the remaining Germans and pushed the Russians right back to Moscow. Would have saved a HELL of a lot of trouble in the 20th century and even today. Think about how different the world would be if the USSR was stopped in 1946 or 47.
Winston Churchill did have his staff come up with plan for a possible invasion of The Soviet Union in 1945. The codename was Operation Unthinkable. Based on their assumptions at that the time, it was deemed that a successful invasion of The Soviet Union had little chance of success due predominately to the numerical advantage the Soviets had in infantry and armored divisions and tactical aircraft.
How right Patton was. We should have rearmed the Germans and finished off the Russians while we had the Army. One day Patton will be remembered as the hero he was and Ike as the appeasing coward. Ike didn't even attend Patton's funeral. A guilty coincidence maybe?
I was in the Gurkhas in iraq, I don't need you to tell me about the realities of war. Until you've been shot at by some drugged-up teenagers wielding assault rifles from inside an apartment block, and then had to go up and arrest them while their families scream at you not to kill them.....well, perhaps you should be quiet.
Ike NEVER would have talked to Patton like that & Patton NEVER would have acted like that with Ike. There is no way they would have kept Patton, their best field commander out of the rest of the war & they put him back in at the best opportunity after Cobra.
The plan was that because patton was the best commander, the allies would use patton to deceive the German intelligence into reforcing the wrong area instead of Normandy
This production is good, however the overt slight of Patton is not excusable. Patton made it happen for Ike in N Africa and even after Ike had Patton going the wrong way, to the West in Europe, Patton made it happen for Ike again when no one else had the foresight to plan. It is that Patton, was immediately ready.
9 years late, but I must. Can you read a map? The Cotentin peninsula was easily isolated from German efforts against invasion. It possesses good deep water ports necessary for a large scale invasion by MECHANIZED units and usable infrastructure. The Germans had occupied that part of France for 2 years, so were less prepared there. And the deception plan that had Calais written all over it kept them in the North. Personally, I don't know how the so called military geniuses in Germany fell for it. Oh, wait...they were pushed, not led, by a raving, delusional maniac. And as professional military men, thought of their careers vs dismissal. Which points up the dangers of a professional military.
Now the way Ike salutes to Patton is exactly the right way to salute. I’ve noticed some people especially women salute like it’s almost a Nazi Hiel Hitler salute.? Sickening.
Jesus watching the IKE character leaf through that file almost makes me sweat! I think thousand Selleck’s best role! Second only to his portrayal of Quigley and the drunken brooding pilot in High Road to China
It always amazes me how the Allies were able to keep “Overlord” completely concealed from the Germans. While the Furher was an idiot the officers of the German Army weren’t. Admiral CANARIS should be admired and celebrated for keeping much of his intelligence from Hitler at great risk to himself
patton is such a bad ass general, I gotta admit always helmet on and stuff, colt sidearm with a golden (or was it ivory) grip. he had some style. but faults as well. The incident where he beat up some poor G.I. in a military hospital that was suffering from malaria kind of tarnished his reputation.
Ike treated Patton like garbage. It was due to that treatment that Mrs. Patton (Beatrice) turned down offers from Ike to visit the White House, after he became President.
Just as well, Ike's comment on Stalin also cracked me up; Stalin already saw the west as his next enemy after the Germans, if only because we were capitalists.
@@brianschwatka3655 what an incredibly politically naive comment . Ike's immediate goal was defeating Hitler. How would sowing disunity between the Allies help to achieve that goal.
@@leechgully He covered it up after the war as well and only a congressional investigation revealed it. Why did he do that? Cause it would have hurt the scumbags political rise to power?
@@brianschwatka3655 He covered up the fact the Allies knew the Russians had done it after the war was over? So what ? Sure he did it for self-serving political reasons . But really ? So what . Maybe some people wouldn't have voted for him if they had known but tha'ts a very strange judgment to make on his record. It happened while he was serving under Democrat presidents who made the political decision to suppress the information . it wasn't his call at the time anyway.
kbflorida888 Patton preferred to ride in open vehicles when he was in the field, it suited his persona. His use of motorcades was almost non existent but he would go enclosed with escort on occasion while awaiting Overlord,, He knew Montgomery was timid and pompous and could not stand his foolishness, so much so it affected his relationships up food chain and laterally as well. After he relieved Bastogne,, he was at the top of his game.. He was a great General.. but so was Ike, but in a different way. I love reading WW2 stuff and I'm reading Marshalls book, second time around.
Patton always cracked me up in his political comments. America and Britain rebuilding the world after the war? Us having to fight the communists next? As if none of that actually happened (hell, we went into Korea only five or so years after WWII), yet he was considered a loon for those views. I can only imagine then-President Eisenhower slapping himself for not believing him then...
@@TheBatugan77 absolutely. And it wasn't that people didn't believe it, it just wasn't politically feasible or realistic at the time. I mean, the British began to study it (Operation Unthinkable), and determined there just weren't enough troops available to face the Soviets. And they weren't going to use A bombs.
Scene is total B.S. Patton would have never licked Eisenhower’s boots like that. But Ike definitely needed Patton in Europe. If it weren’t for Patton we would lost all those in the Battle Of the Bulge. Patton broke that stalemate and helped drive the war to Berlin. Patton is without a doubt one of our greatest Generals. He is a true battlefield commander. He would have hated being an administrator like Eisenhower.
I disagree. Patton was a loose cannon who needed to be reined in. The character of his "no nonsense" speeches bears testimony to that. Remember, these were scenes before the events took place. We're watching the film with the benefit of hindsight.
It’s amazing how the best general in history wasn’t perfect like the rest of us and them! The Germans thought so and though they called him a gangster that’s exactly what they deserved a damn gangster.
Anglo Saxon to rule the post war and that’s true it’s called the Marshal plan. Anglo Saxon did rule the post war world, because of the money they had available after the war.
Very little press has been given to Beetle Smith. Even in this movie he is a side character (although I find remarkable an actor who could provide a mirror image of George W Bush). As Ike’s Chief is Staff, he was the enforcer and even Paton was intimidated by Beetle.
maureen. All the great generals were American. They pointed Easy Company in Germany's direction, and the rest is history. The intrepid Dick Winters liberated France and Holland, fed the poor victims of the concentration camps and finally won the war. All hail to these conquering heroes.
easy company is one of the most overrated units in history. you watch too much tv, there is all kinds of bs about them thats been called out over the years. and no all the great generals were not american. most were french, british, russian and canadian
Ike and Patton fought together during WW1 together. Both families were very close before ww2. Then fate is funny sometimes. Patton and Rommel's family became very close after the war.
If you mean the town near Monte Cassino, then yes we studied it in regimental history. One of the most important battles of the war in europe, the Indian regiments showed they were as good as any white soldiers. We need a decent modern film about Monte Cassino, it was probably the most international battle of the war - Kiwis, Indians/Gurkhas, US, Canadian, British, French, Poles, Germans, Italians all within a few miles of each other. Or they could make a miniseries like BoB. I'd buy it....
Oh waw 🤦♂️ you couldn’t be anymore wrong, the war ended so quick because of Eisenhower, Patton was not the smartest apple in any room at HQ, Patton should have shut the fuck up and listened to his supreme commander of the entire dam allied forces, Pattons only job was planing battles and winning the war in Europe, and him upsetting his allies and losing their trust was by far the most immature thing he could have done and slapping a solder who was suffering from PTSD and calling him a coward was just a childish act by him, Eisenhower wasn’t playing politics, ike was doing his job by winning the war with his allies !!!! The Russian included, they needed the allies to win the war and couldn’t have done it alone imagine you and your new friends are planning an attack on a group of men who are bullies and your new friends have your back and are letting you lead all of them into this attack because they acknowledge your smarter and have more experience but they still aren’t sure if they could fully trust you because your still new to their group and then an old friend of yours joins the group and starts talking shit about all your new friends and start saying to everyone how you and him should start planning how to fight all your new friends and everyone’s just looking at you 2 like WTF 🤷♂️ really!!?? ..... Like how are they supposed to trust you now when your old friend is saying all that shit that your enemy would agree with And yes he was right that Russias communism was the next Cold War however he shouldn’t have said shit till after the war was over because you know 🤷♂️ they’re still fighting on your side, you dont talk shit about your co workers until you quit your job, it makes no sense to talk shit about them while your still working with them It was immature as fuck for him to have said anything, Patton was by far the most childish general of that generation, and despite what a lot of ignorant people think, no he was not the greatest general of all time, not even close the only reason idiots think that he was is because he had the most time with the reporters and newspapers so he became popular, he was basically a pre-Modona who wouldn’t shut the fuck up, their were by far greater minds then him in that generation alone, if general Ulysses was in that generation he would have embarrassed Patton and would have been his Superior, Patton was hated by his own officers and enlisted man, non of them trusted him because Patton would throw his men in harms way and then go in front of the reporters taking all the glory and he would do this with a helmet on as if he was in battle with them but in reality he wasn’t, which non of the generals actually went into battle and i won’t Blame them for that because thats not their job however at least non of them acted like they were going into battle the way Patton did, ....... Patton is basically that generations Logan Paul he was a douche bag in every sense of the word and cared more about fame and his image then he did his own men and his men knew it, Eisenhower should have just fired Patton so that way he and the other Generals could focus on the war instead of having to put up with Patton’s bullshit and maybe they would have ended the war a lot sooner, do you really think any of them wanted to deal with that immature guy while they are trying to focus on the D-day invasion plan
@@warlord8954 You hate the way they portray Patton because Ike is tearing him a new asshole and you don't like it when your military hero is made to apologize and comes off looking weak in doing so. Ain't that right, Mr. tough guy?
@@rayjr62 No sonny, while Ike did dress Patton down a little, this dramatization bears no trace of what is known to have happened. Patton didn't grovel before Ike, and he wasn't as arrogant as he's portrayed after he left.
This way overplays Montgomery''s part. Eisenhower was a genius, as was Patton. This was America's show. Easy Company won, and made America's name great yet again.
Incredible acting by Tom as IKE WOW! Great casting , who would have thought Tom as Ike ? This whole movie is awesome.Thanks so much..
I love the subtle dig towards McArthur in this. Even Eisenhower admitted that he learned theatrics because of McArthur but he never let that affect the overall big picture.
It’s amazing of the bond you form with those in the military. I met a Marine at a football game last year and we both realized we were in Afghanistan at the same time. We swapped stories and became friends…that soldier to soldier comment saved Patton’s ass imo
It's interesting that General Omar Bradley was also once seconded to Patton, as recently as the Italian campaign. Patton seemed to hit a promotion ceiling. His talents as a field commander couldn't overcome his deficiencies in dealing with people or politics.
His talents as a field commander are not desperate from those things. He slapped a shell shock soldier, was racist to black soldiers and his performance post war prompted his dismissal
By the time an officer reaches senior flag rank (O-9 equivalent or higher) they should be aware that the job's often more about politics than it is military command. Ike, Bradley, Spaatz, Patch, and even Clark realized that and fulfilled their duties competently - Patton never seemed to learn the lesson. In the Pacific Macarthur didn't either, but he had powerful friends in congress who protected him (had literally ANY other officer lost the Philippines like Macarthur did he'd have been court martialed) and knew how to play the press to his personal advantage - the scene here with with Ike talking to the SHAEF public affairs officer is a great counterpoint to Macarthur's blatant self aggrandizement.
@@MisterMac4321 One characteristic of Ike is that if a General was running into issues with success on the battlefield, he would yard them out and replace them quickly - yet, it was never the signal of the end of their careers, as he was able to observe those generals would be better in a different situation. There are notable generals such as Patton that he pulled the leash tight, then unleashed them at a later time when they would be even more effective.
No one doubts he was at heart a good man, but his problems were centered around his ego. He was a warrior who was happiest in war. Peace was difficult for him, much like how it was for Churchill (his "Black Dog" depression). Patton grew up in a family of military heroes. He never felt equal to them.
@@RedDiomedes Actually, he chose an all Black tank regiment for a task based on their outstanding performance. I am unable to recall them right now, however he referred to them as the best damn tank regiment he had ever seen.
Patton valued performance.
Patton and Eisenhower had known each other for thirty years. They and their families took vacations together in the 1920s.
I think they go back even further.
George was in the 1912 Olympics, with Jim Thorpe. Ike played college football against Big Jim. And lived to tell about it.
Most of the top us officers know each other and had gone to school or served togather
Interesting background
That’s one reason we know this meeting is total Hollywood horses crap.
@@TheBatugan77That Patton meeting is a farce.?
My grandfather served in Patton’s real 3rd army. Absolutely amazing what Patton was able to do and he sure as hell got everyone to fight for him.
Ike knew how to keep Patton in check. Excellent.
He had to.
It was a mistake.. should have pushed Soviets out of Eastern Europe
@@JohnyZman The Soviets liberated Europe.
@@nikitakuznetsov8446 Yes then stayed there, and didn't go back to their own country. #orcs
@@JohnyZman LMAO. Using buzzwords. Btw they did go back to their own country, they stayed for a few years to oversee the building of a Socialist regime and then they left.
I like how IKE is telling him HOW IT IS. AND HOW THING'S ARE GOING TO BE. AND STILL CALLS PATTON "SIR". After saying "DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME,SIR?"
That "Sir" is like when a school principal calls an errant student on the carpet. It's to emphasize that this is serious.
"Sorry sir, I wasn't issued one."
Love that line.
The movie Patton left out any scenes of Ike; I’m glad I got to watch this scene.
True. Hollywood couldn't get permission from the Eisenhower's. As for "Patton" his wife Beatrice would never have given Her permission to make that movie in the first place had she been alive.
@@terryrussel3369 I guess when she passed it was game on lol
However Ike’s name was mentioned constantly as supreme commander, like when Bradley told Patton he didn’t pick him, IKE PICKED YOU!
I have no idea how IKE kept his focus and his sanity juggling all the chainsaws he had to deal with Monty, Patton. De Gaulle, the Ardennes and the rest of it and yet he shepherded overlord through successfully. I went through life thinking that he wasn’t that bright but he had smarts and the ability to cope with all the strains and stresses of war. Of course Patton was probably a full time job by himself.
That proves beyond a doubt why a supreme commander is the only option. Or else they’d spend precious resources and time arguing about everything!
FDR gave him and general Marshal crash courses in politics, as often as he could. General Marshal gave Ike a generals corps that was focused on team work. When that was not the case (like with Patton) he gave him knew he could handle himself since most of the senior offices knew each other- pre WW2 it had been a small military. With Patton one had to stand his ground and not let him intimidate him. Not an easy thing.
And he made the call to go when they only had a very narrow window of good weather. That's what really caught the German high command with their pants down.
@@chardtomp Plus Patton setting up there looking like he was the one who would lead it. To me that’s the biggest con of all.
@@ronniebishop2496 Yes, that was one of the most successful deception campaigns in military history. The invasion was well underway, and the German high command was still sure it was just a diversion, and the main landings would be at the Pas De Calais.
Supreme Allied Commander, what a title of ultimate responsibility, only President Roosevelt outranked Ike, and I'm sure he wouldn't have even dared!
IKE was Great General and POTUS!
What a career!!!
Not true. General Marshal outranked Ike.
@@michaelsena5577 Yes, on paper he did but in terms of accountability and direct responsibility it was Ike who was in the arena.
Jesus Christ, this is AMAZING.
Patton was so feared they built an entire fictional army around him and the Germans would never believe he wouldn’t be in charge of the invasion until it was to late, that’s how valuable Patton was, that fiction saved thousands of lives and probably saved the entire invasion. And after Patton got in the war he went wild winning more battles in American history and saving the 101st Airborne at Bastogne while Monty and Everyone else were saying it couldn’t be done.
He like Rommel had the greatest luxury of getting to write their own histories
And the troops at Bastogne were holding Ion n their own already
@@derrickstorm6976 Really well Rommel committed suicide at the behest of Hitler and Patton got killed in a car wreck or something? So when did they write their own history? Asking for a friend.
Total rubbish. Patton did not even rate a German dossier before D-Day. The Germans accepted the fictional army ruse without identifying Patton as its commander.
There is no evidence that Montgomery uttered any opinion regarding events Patton and Bastogne.
Rubbish
The Germans had no opnion on Patton. They fell for the fictional army ruse without connecting Patton with that army.
Patton did not even rate a German dossier before D-Day.
@@derrickstorm6976What, you’ve got to be kidding. Plus this conversation between Ike and Patton never took place it’s all a bunch of Hollywood bull Shit! Now look that up, they didn’t give a damn about racial issues, the army was segregated for crying out loud. Unbelievable. According to the 101st Airborne easy company which is easy to prove. They have an entire show called We stand alone together. Bastogne was absolutely about to go down.
Decades prior, Tom Selleck and Gerald McRaney worked together in the "Magnum: PI"/"Simon & Simon" crossover
Those were the waning days of entertaining television when we actually had TV programs a family could watch together.
I never would have recognized Gerald McRaney without your comment. Boy has he gained weight!
@@kevinobrien9271 you can thank gerald's wife delta reese for that. Lol
good old tom selleck did a good job as ike.nice one!thanks for sharing.
That maybe so but Ike WAS Patton's superior and Patton was causing trouble with the press and did slap a shell shocked soldier, hell he almost told the press about the upcoming Allied invasion, also Ike wrote about this meeting in his memoirs, he had to reel Patton in to stop him from causing trouble and if you ask me Patton deserved it even though I respect him as a brilliant military tactician and leader
There was something really poignant in that moment when Patton's helmet falls, and he bends to pick it up. I wonder if that was in the script, or a happy accident?
And when Ike warns him... sounds like he called him Georgie... "Last time Georgie, last time"
Good or bad George Patton Jr was a reason or part of it why Normandy succeeded
Patton a great tactical commander who never seemed to grasp the strategic situation.
Patton likely became a better general for this.
Got dam it George shut up! Loved that scene! In my strongest opinion, General Patton was a flaming racist however, the man flat out knew logistics. General Ike undoubtedly rendered the right decision to keep General Patton aboard. Hands down, this is one of the best leadership movie I've seen in a long time. MDMP at it's best!
Racism wasn’t even a concern back then, the military was totally segregated, lol 😅nobody cared.
Patton was 100% maniac..Good or bad i can't say but he was a man who get job done.
9:00 The Paratrooper Issue was literally create havoc and keep the Germans reinforcements from the Beaches without matter if that would take Lost the Entire Airborne Force…
It’s interesting reading people’s comments on the personalities of these monumental military figures. You have to admit, to achieve such a status during such a war that has been unbelievably catastrophic, you need people with larger-than-life personalities. I can’t speak on military experience as I have none, but it must’ve been hard knowing you’re directly responsible for creating such large campaigns that are certainly going to lead to the death of thousands of soldiers and civilians alike. It cannot be easy. Regardless of politics, you need to find leaders that have those unique qualities that can be “best” suit the particular strategy and tactics needed to succeed on such an dynamic global battlefield.
Remember, soldiers follow there leaders because we believe in them, we never ask the cost (yes we are VERY afraid), but only to do our duty as our oath commands us. "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations" this part means everything. Retired, US Army enlisted.
@@richunixunix3313 thank you for your service
Ike figured out Patton real good .
He told him to shut up (unbelievable)
@@tonygee6418 meh, not really.
@ExceedingNormal Any examples of historical inaccuracies in this? (I know there is a biggie at the end where Ike is seen with the paratroops on June 6, who actually left the night of June 5).
I’m not sure but i do know a lot of generals hated Patton and referred to him as childish, and Patton really did slap a solder who was suffering from PTSD and Patton called him a coward, Patton’s own officers who he commanded couldn’t stand him and said that he took all the glory while they all suffer, but their was no denying that Patton was a smart General who was just a bit immature
Not a big inaccuracy for most though
I so miss my 1980's navy years.
The world's most perfect meritocracy. You were judged by what you accomplished.
In other words elitism and oppression
@@JS-wp4gs and privilege
Dwight Eisenhower could be very intimidating when crossed. He did have Patton near to tears. He completely humiliated Joe McCarthy on the campaign train to Ohio back in the 1950's.
There's this, and then there's "Patton" - both products of Hollywood. Is the truth somewhere in the middle? Probably. Regardless, when the chips were down, they always called in their boy Georgie. And that's a fact, absolutely as controversial as he was.
Ike needed Patton, knew him, respected him, and knew how to discipline him.
Montgomery was the biggest pain in the ass for Eisenhower. Period.
I can never see anyone but George Scott in the role of Patton!
Imagine dealing with generals with this big of a personality. From montgomery to Patton. Even working under McArthur for a time
And of course this is all bullshit. These conversations didn’t take place. Especially between Ike and Patton.
@@ronniebishop2496 Then why did Patton issue a public apology? You think he would have done that if Ike hadn't TOLD him his choices were humble himself or catch a boat home?
@@kenle2 When? I don’t remember him saying to much because Ike and Patton were great friends. Look it up, you can’t go by Hollywood
@@kenle2 Ike sent him an admonishment in a letter but never summoned him to his office.
Great movie, but the picture quality here on TH-cam is appalling…
And 10% of the messages are lies.
Did you see the upload date? 2007! TH-cam was most certainly not high definition in those days!
@@RevBoose I’ve been watching it on my iPhone and it’s ok
i think if im not wrong that GI soldier is shell shock or war shock. and having malaria in middle east is unlikely knowing that mosquitos carry them and theres hardly water around
I agree Sir. Serving for 30 years with the US Navy I learned one thing..... It did not matter what the skin color of the man next to you, no matter your perceived prejudice that you grew up with... when all things were really, really bad around you, it always was that person you distrusted most who seemed to have everything together and pulled your ass out the shithole you were in. Pardon my language.
Oh about that “lunge” across the Low Countries wasn’t that attempted in 1914?
Actually it was called Market Garden and it was a goat-fuck!
You know George, brave men do cry...Ike the War years 1979...starred Robert Duvall
Maureen. I have respect for anyone who goes into action. Two of my uncles fought alongisde the Gurkhas at a village called Cassino in Italy. It is not well known, but some of the Gurkhas may know of it.
The lost of Cassino was a big lost for the humanity
My best friend whose a Gurkha showed me his grandfathers VC. He earned in the Italian campaign.
My father served in Italy, yes, I know of Cassino...
Ike never wanted the glory. That is what made him a great general and a great caretaker President in troubled times.
He wanted the Running Backs to get the credit not the coaches…
This is an amazing movie Selleck played that role perfectly.
He was a great military leader, no doubt but, the Presidency confused him; he didn't respond quickly enough to McCarthyism and the CIA manhandled him. In the end America was set on a path to world supremacy featuring a cold war and a worthless military build up which has only ignited a continuing blaze of fires in different parts of the world. His quote "Beware of the military industrial complex" was a prime example of shutting the barn door after the horse was gone. Now, if JFK wasn't assassinated ....
Patton was a lot of things but never DISHONORABLEI don’t think he would come out of his meeting with IKE smacking his mouth about playing IKE like a violin he did however, GLOAT when BEADLE was told by PATTON that he could relive the 101st Airborne at Bastogne by saying something like “iIKE has balls in a meat grinder and I’m holding the handle”
He didn’t say that and Ike didn’t give a damn about racism, the army was segregated, hell doesn’t Hollywood even know that? How ignorant. This conversation never took place
Patton was out there with the men, Ike and Beatle were not.
@@thebrickseller Well Omar Bradley answered that question for you, as ridiculous as it sounds. Roosevelt had polio and was in a wheelchair! And Churchill was a WW1 hero and couldn’t pass a physical for WW2.? Plus General Bradley, said that he had been trained to lead troops into war, but the difference between him and Patton was that he was trained to do it and Patton loved it.
@@thebrickseller You really should study history before you make such a big fool out of yourself. Here’s that stupid icon back at you.?😜😜😜😜😜😜
@@thebrickseller I’m sorry I didn’t mean to be so rude, and outlandish. This post is over a year old and I was thinking about someone else.
@@thebrickseller Ike was a tremendous administrator and commander of the Allies during WW2 and the Normandy invasion.
@@thebrickseller Actually you should brush up on your history, because that was really a bad question.
Monty trying to take center stage again in the early part of this scene his contempt for IKE ad. Commander was unwarranted and counter productive.
The OVERLORD land campaign was overwhelmingly Montgomey's planning and execution.
yes he was, but at least he was honest, and he fought like a tiger.
Patton was not as likeable as Ike, but he was a better field commander, Ike was just a politition and planner, he gave the orders, patton carried them out, Both were a genius mind though
Patton was a poor overall field commander, which is why he made so many questionable decisions after the invasion. He was also as nutty as a fruitcake
Tom just doesn’t sound mad no matter how loud he shouts in that voice.? In fact he sounds more like Patton did.
Tom Selleck is a very underrated actor.
Nah he's well known
In truth Monty was overall ground forces' commander which he was to relinquish after the beachhead breakout. However he had hoped that once it was done the relinquishment would not happen. He did not realize that since nearly 2/3 of the armies in the Western Front were American that it did not make political sense that an Englishman should be in command.
If Gen. Patton had followed Gen. WT Sherman’s advice on handling “journalists” he’d had been safe.
A lot of people should Google Sherman’s view of the press. Truer now than it was 150 plus years ago.
@@patpowers1718 truer? Sounds like Sherman was a pussy about it and shortsighted.
“If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.” - General William Tecumseh Sherman, United States Army
Patton often had low regard for IKE because he was never in the first war with him. But I agree he wouldn’t have talked smack like that. And he was IKE’s ace
Payton was way way out of line slapping those soldiers people just didn’t understand the meaning of combat fatigue back then and it’s long term effects
Shouldn't pick a pudgy actor to play Patton.
Pudgy goes with pouting. But Patton could have helped under the bluffs of Omaha beach
I think the actor was an excellent choice to play patton.
@@erikdrum6934 yeah I agreed because the one that Scott played his was Gravely and loud. But the real Patton voice was high pitched and soft
“So go get some publicity for the Running Backs.”
Once an Army Football Player, ALWAYS an Army Football Player. He once played against the great Jim Thorpe when Army played Carlisle back in his cadet years.
Payton was right though. He knew what the future held because he looked at Nazism and Communism as two sides of the same coin.
maureen. I am not "outtrolled". I am always genuine and never "troll". You may - that is your decision. The men of Easy Company were mentored, as are all heroes who serve even today for the United States. Easy Company men were mentored by Dick Winters. Winters was mentored by Marshall, Marshall by Pershing. The mentoring goes back to Grant and Washington. Other armies cannot compete with these experts. By the way, you must be one of very few women in this unit.
The more I read your dozens of comments the more I'm certain that your entire historical education was watching Band of Brothers.
Selleck did a fine job as Ike, I believe.
Actually Monty the invasion was fortunately never tipped to “Jerry” although there were some close calls as illustrated in this film.
Actually Montgomery never stated that the the invasion was tipped to “Jerry”.
I think the fact that IKE never invited Monty to the White House as President speaks volumes on the nature of their relationship. In fact, it’s interesting that Bedel-Smith seemed to be excluded from command, even for Korea.
He was never heard from again in history. IKE was MacArthur’s COS and he advanced quite a bit. “Bedel” vanished then again, he probably didn’t win any friends being IKE’s hatchet man
@@michelmendoza1769Walter Bedell "Beetle" Smith most assuredly did not vanish after WWII.
After the war, Beetle served as tthe United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union, then Director of the CIA, then Under Secretary of State. After Eisenhower became president, Beetle Smith served the administration in various capacities during Ike's two terms. He died from a heart attack at age 65 in August 1961, seven months after Ike left office. Beetle was buried at Arlington National Cemetery, near the gravesite of General George C. Marshall.
Gen. Patton was this very best armor general of the European Theater! Bar none! The Germans knew it but not the Allies. What a shame.
That's somewhat debatable. The Germans never thought much of him according to most official sources out there, and in cases where Patton gets a lot of credit (like Germany's winter '44 offensive) Patton actually took longer to break through then the Germans themselves expected.
I'm not saying Patton was a "bad" general, but it's clear that Pattons personality has lead to history rating him higher then most facts would give him credit for.
@@gamerk316 who educated you the Soviets?
@@gamerk316 Agreed. People who say Patron was the "best ever" are highly questionable.
The guy who played Patton neither looked, sounded nor acted like the real general. No doubt Patton was very grateful to Eisenhower, who was a personal friend of his, but there is no way Patton would have groveled to him as he knew he would be badly needed for the extremely difficult tank thrust around the back of the Normandy main offensive. Using Patton to divert the attention of the Germans away from Normandy was a brilliant move by Eisenhower and in any event he would not risk his best general in a risky beach assault as he knew Patton would insist on being in the thick of it and would take enormous risks to out-do Montgomery.
George C. Scott is ⭐⭐⭐⭐
the real General Patton
@@tonygee6418 doesn't matter
I get the feeling that IKE’s relationship with Payton was strained at best after all, back in the US they thought GSP was the best of the best. I shudder to think what the relationship between Patton and MacArthur might have been like! He probably would have tried bullying Nimitz
Most of this is sprinkled with Hollywood liberal bullshit. It’s Patton not Payton and this conversation never took place!
General Patton got his reprimand.
Moving scene of confrontation.
Patton was right though. At least about the Soviets. We should have marched in to Berlin gathered up the remaining Germans and pushed the Russians right back to Moscow. Would have saved a HELL of a lot of trouble in the 20th century and even today. Think about how different the world would be if the USSR was stopped in 1946 or 47.
I would have liked to have seen you have sold that idea to the American public in 1945.
Winston Churchill did have his staff come up with plan for a possible invasion of The Soviet Union in 1945. The codename was Operation Unthinkable. Based on their assumptions at that the time, it was deemed that a successful invasion of The Soviet Union had little chance of success due predominately to the numerical advantage the Soviets had in infantry and armored divisions and tactical aircraft.
How right Patton was. We should have rearmed the Germans and finished off the Russians while we had the Army. One day Patton will be remembered as the hero he was and Ike as the appeasing coward. Ike didn't even attend Patton's funeral. A guilty coincidence maybe?
Eisenhauer an appeasing coward? I think not.
@@ellenyoung8283 Eisenhower was a yes man to the powers that be.
I was in the Gurkhas in iraq, I don't need you to tell me about the realities of war. Until you've been shot at by some drugged-up teenagers wielding assault rifles from inside an apartment block, and then had to go up and arrest them while their families scream at you not to kill them.....well, perhaps you should be quiet.
Ike NEVER would have talked to Patton like that & Patton NEVER would have acted like that with Ike. There is no way they would have kept Patton, their best field commander out of the rest of the war & they put him back in at the best opportunity after Cobra.
The plan was that because patton was the best commander, the allies would use patton to deceive the German intelligence into reforcing the wrong area instead of Normandy
Hollywood libreals hate America's Heroes they love to pervert history
He is your ace.
This production is good, however the overt slight of Patton is not excusable.
Patton made it happen for Ike in N Africa and even after Ike had Patton going the wrong way, to the West in Europe, Patton made it happen for Ike again when no one else had the foresight to plan. It is that Patton, was immediately ready.
9 years late, but I must. Can you read a map? The Cotentin peninsula was easily isolated from German efforts against invasion. It possesses good deep water ports necessary for a large scale invasion by MECHANIZED units and usable infrastructure. The Germans had occupied that part of France for 2 years, so were less prepared there. And the deception plan that had Calais written all over it kept them in the North. Personally, I don't know how the so called military geniuses in Germany fell for it. Oh, wait...they were pushed, not led, by a raving, delusional maniac. And as professional military men, thought of their careers vs dismissal. Which points up the dangers of a professional military.
Now the way Ike salutes to Patton is exactly the right way to salute. I’ve noticed some people especially women salute like it’s almost a Nazi Hiel Hitler salute.? Sickening.
Jesus watching the IKE character leaf through that file almost makes me sweat! I think thousand Selleck’s best role! Second only to his portrayal of Quigley and the drunken brooding pilot in High Road to China
It always amazes me how the Allies were able to keep “Overlord” completely concealed from the Germans. While the Furher was an idiot the officers of the German Army weren’t. Admiral CANARIS should be admired and celebrated for keeping much of his intelligence from Hitler at great risk to himself
patton is such a bad ass general, I gotta admit
always helmet on and stuff, colt sidearm with a golden (or was it ivory) grip.
he had some style. but faults as well. The incident where he beat up some poor G.I. in a military hospital that was suffering from malaria kind of tarnished his reputation.
Patton was right….
Ike treated Patton like garbage. It was due to that treatment that Mrs. Patton (Beatrice) turned down offers from Ike to visit the White House, after he became President.
I heard they were close friends and vacationed together? This happened during ww2, not while he was president !
Yes. That's the one. Not many people have heard of it. The Ghurhas were definitely there, as you say.
Made for TV movies are generally crap but this was fantastic.
Just as well, Ike's comment on Stalin also cracked me up; Stalin already saw the west as his next enemy after the Germans, if only because we were capitalists.
Stalin also, at times, made Hitler look like a choir boy.
@@TheBatugan77 people forget he invaded Poland in 39 as well. Ike and the rest of SHAEF covered up the Katyn massacre
@@brianschwatka3655 what an incredibly politically naive comment . Ike's immediate goal was defeating Hitler. How would sowing disunity between the Allies help to achieve that goal.
@@leechgully He covered it up after the war as well and only a congressional investigation revealed it. Why did he do that? Cause it would have hurt the scumbags political rise to power?
@@brianschwatka3655 He covered up the fact the Allies knew the Russians had done it after the war was over? So what ? Sure he did it for self-serving political reasons . But really ? So what . Maybe some people wouldn't have voted for him if they had known but tha'ts a very strange judgment to make on his record. It happened while he was serving under Democrat presidents who made the political decision to suppress the information . it wasn't his call at the time anyway.
I don’t know how accurate that General Patton arrived by open Jeep driven only by a driver. Today a general would arrive by 2 car armored motorcade.
kbflorida888
Patton preferred to ride in open vehicles when he was in the field, it suited his persona. His use of motorcades was almost non existent but he would go enclosed with escort on occasion while awaiting Overlord,, He knew Montgomery was timid and pompous and could not stand his foolishness, so much so it affected his relationships up food chain and laterally as well. After he relieved Bastogne,, he was at the top of his game.. He was a great General.. but so was Ike, but in a different way. I love reading WW2 stuff and I'm reading Marshalls book, second time around.
Patton always cracked me up in his political comments. America and Britain rebuilding the world after the war? Us having to fight the communists next? As if none of that actually happened (hell, we went into Korea only five or so years after WWII), yet he was considered a loon for those views. I can only imagine then-President Eisenhower slapping himself for not believing him then...
Patton wasn't wrong for thinking it. But I think he was wrong for bellowing it to the press.
@@TheBatugan77 absolutely. And it wasn't that people didn't believe it, it just wasn't politically feasible or realistic at the time. I mean, the British began to study it (Operation Unthinkable), and determined there just weren't enough troops available to face the Soviets. And they weren't going to use A bombs.
Scene is total B.S. Patton would have never licked Eisenhower’s boots like that. But Ike definitely needed Patton in Europe. If it weren’t for Patton we would lost all those in the Battle Of the Bulge. Patton broke that stalemate and helped drive the war to Berlin. Patton is without a doubt one of our greatest Generals. He is a true battlefield commander. He would have hated being an administrator like Eisenhower.
I disagree. Patton was a loose cannon who needed to be reined in. The character of his "no nonsense" speeches bears testimony to that. Remember, these were scenes before the events took place. We're watching the film with the benefit of hindsight.
It’s amazing how the best general in history wasn’t perfect like the rest of us and them! The Germans thought so and though they called him a gangster that’s exactly what they deserved a damn gangster.
So Patton was once Eisenhower's superior officer?....
Earlier in their careers yes.
Anglo Saxon to rule the post war and that’s true it’s called the Marshal plan. Anglo Saxon did rule the post war world, because of the money they had available after the war.
Patton was right. Unpopular, politically inconvenient but right.
Tom Selleck with his Mustache bears a Strong Resemblance to Stalin😮😮😮😮
George C. Scott died in 1999.
Patton was right about communism.
How much did they have to pay him to shave his moustache for this role?
He reverse mortgaged his moustache
Very little press has been given to Beetle Smith. Even in this movie he is a side character (although I find remarkable an actor who could provide a mirror image of George W Bush). As Ike’s Chief is Staff, he was the enforcer and even Paton was intimidated by Beetle.
He was a fairly significant character in the movie Patton.
Beetle was one of my favorite characters in this movie.
Only part wrong with this is ike never berated patton for strikeing the solider he let general marshall do that
maureen. All the great generals were American. They pointed Easy Company in Germany's direction, and the rest is history. The intrepid Dick Winters liberated France and Holland, fed the poor victims of the concentration camps and finally won the war. All hail to these conquering heroes.
easy company is one of the most overrated units in history. you watch too much tv, there is all kinds of bs about them thats been called out over the years. and no all the great generals were not american. most were french, british, russian and canadian
The best generals were European, not American 😂
At least teach them how to salute directors?
Ike and Patton fought together during WW1 together. Both families were very close before ww2. Then fate is funny sometimes.
Patton and Rommel's family became very close after the war.
Col. Eisenhower never left the U.S. He commanded the tank training command at Camp Colt near Gettysburg, PA.
If you mean the town near Monte Cassino, then yes we studied it in regimental history. One of the most important battles of the war in europe, the Indian regiments showed they were as good as any white soldiers. We need a decent modern film about Monte Cassino, it was probably the most international battle of the war - Kiwis, Indians/Gurkhas, US, Canadian, British, French, Poles, Germans, Italians all within a few miles of each other. Or they could make a miniseries like BoB. I'd buy it....
Patton was right and Eisenhower should have stopped playing politics and trusted pattons the war would have been over sooner
Oh waw 🤦♂️ you couldn’t be anymore wrong, the war ended so quick because of Eisenhower, Patton was not the smartest apple in any room at HQ, Patton should have shut the fuck up and listened to his supreme commander of the entire dam allied forces, Pattons only job was planing battles and winning the war in Europe, and him upsetting his allies and losing their trust was by far the most immature thing he could have done and slapping a solder who was suffering from PTSD and calling him a coward was just a childish act by him, Eisenhower wasn’t playing politics, ike was doing his job by winning the war with his allies !!!! The Russian included, they needed the allies to win the war and couldn’t have done it alone
imagine you and your new friends are planning an attack on a group of men who are bullies and your new friends have your back and are letting you lead all of them into this attack because they acknowledge your smarter and have more experience but they still aren’t sure if they could fully trust you because your still new to their group and then an old friend of yours joins the group and starts talking shit about all your new friends and start saying to everyone how you and him should start planning how to fight all your new friends and everyone’s just looking at you 2 like WTF 🤷♂️ really!!?? ..... Like how are they supposed to trust you now when your old friend is saying all that shit that your enemy would agree with
And yes he was right that Russias communism was the next Cold War however he shouldn’t have said shit till after the war was over because you know 🤷♂️ they’re still fighting on your side, you dont talk shit about your co workers until you quit your job, it makes no sense to talk shit about them while your still working with them
It was immature as fuck for him to have said anything, Patton was by far the most childish general of that generation, and despite what a lot of ignorant people think, no he was not the greatest general of all time, not even close the only reason idiots think that he was is because he had the most time with the reporters and newspapers so he became popular, he was basically a pre-Modona who wouldn’t shut the fuck up, their were by far greater minds then him in that generation alone, if general Ulysses was in that generation he would have embarrassed Patton and would have been his Superior, Patton was hated by his own officers and enlisted man, non of them trusted him because Patton would throw his men in harms way and then go in front of the reporters taking all the glory and he would do this with a helmet on as if he was in battle with them but in reality he wasn’t, which non of the generals actually went into battle and i won’t Blame them for that because thats not their job however at least non of them acted like they were going into battle the way Patton did, ....... Patton is basically that generations Logan Paul he was a douche bag in every sense of the word and cared more about fame and his image then he did his own men and his men knew it,
Eisenhower should have just fired Patton so that way he and the other Generals could focus on the war instead of having to put up with Patton’s bullshit and maybe they would have ended the war a lot sooner, do you really think any of them wanted to deal with that immature guy while they are trying to focus on the D-day invasion plan
Selleck really captured IKE the soldier
How so?
Both Ike and Patton were heroes.
I hate they way they portray Patton.
Yeah, how dare they invade your sausage fest fantasies with some well-placed dose of reality.
@@rayjr62 You clearly know nothing of factual history. It's not really a surprise these days.
@@warlord8954 You hate the way they portray Patton because Ike is tearing him a new asshole and you don't like it when your military hero is made to apologize and comes off looking weak in doing so. Ain't that right, Mr. tough guy?
@@rayjr62 No sonny, while Ike did dress Patton down a little, this dramatization bears no trace of what is known to have happened. Patton didn't grovel before Ike, and he wasn't as arrogant as he's portrayed after he left.
One wonders if ike
Ever faced combat
He didn't. He wanted combat in WWI but never made it, which troubled him greatly.
Angloaust - The man was married, wasn’t he?
He had a wife back in the states
And a young love in england
His driver!
Angloaust - A double catastrophe; and you ask if he ever faced combat?! 🙂
This way overplays Montgomery''s part. Eisenhower was a genius, as was Patton. This was America's show. Easy Company won, and made America's name great yet again.
Troll or moron
Which on are you?
Both Overrated. They were certainly no Alexander, Caeser, Hannibal, Napoleon or Marlborough
They were damn close.
Did it get that bad?
Was Patton reduced to begging Ike for a field command?
PC was in vogue a lot earlier than you think.
Yes
In the Payton movie Bedell was a complete TOOL! But he is humanized here
You mean Patton?
I LOVE how Timothy Bottoms portrayed Beetle Smith in this movie! He was wise as well as smart. I just wanted to hug him.