@@WCove99That's on Jesus if he's real. If he's the shepherd, then he failed to keep his flock safe for not being able to differentiate between a carnivore and herbivore. "Wolves in sheeps clothing", he let them in the paddock in the first place.
And how is finding joy supposed to happen when their abusers are given shelter and “forgiveness” and the victims are made to feel that it is their fault? How are women to find joy when they are boxed in as a very narrow thing, seen as second class citizens to their male peers? It’s not overwhelm its disgust, especially in the age of Trump. The church needs to change, not women. Also, I am happier and my kids are happier without the judgment that comes from the church regarding LGBTQ identities. The church needs to change, not us.
Exactly! But it's actually quite logical since the foundation of Christianity is when an all-powerful god visits a teenage girl in the night and tells her she WILL conceive and bear a son. A truly compassionate god would have understood the impropriety of such a command considering the imbalance of power. The church is literally following what bible teaches. The vulnerable are sacrificed on the alter of forgiveness for their predators. I'm glad so many of us are finally waking up.
@@bretteidem6248 Yes, we know what gaslighting is. That's _another_ reason why people are leaving. You people just need to stop. You should have done so ages ago.
All walks of life are leaving the INSTITUTION, and that includes contemporary church. There’s too much flesh and religion mixed in with Gods Word. But the body of Christ is still emerging, you just have to have eyes t see it and courage to be it!
Church attendance is not the obstacle. It’s a genuine conversion to faith, and Baptism of the Holy Spirit that’s missing. If you’re filled with the Spirit you will crave the fellowship of the Church. It’s an explosion of belonging, love and joy to worship with likeminded believers. Truly repent, surrender to Jesus, trust Him 100% with your whole life and you will run to where He is, nothing will hold you back. He’s such a merciful, loving, gentle, delivering, healing Savior. ❤
Church is not just about talking with other believers, no offense but these people sometimes go through things that make talking with others a bit of a challenge, what is most important is their relationship with God not their relationship with other people, that naturally comes second.😊
No offense taken. I’ve been hurt too, and frankly I tend to be introverted but what you said is not scriptural. People will let us down, but we’re commanded to forgive, which the Holy Spirit will help you with if you come to the Father and ask in Jesus name. I’m sorry you or anyone has been hurt, I truly am, but if God’s love in us it will produce love for our fellow Christians, and frankly they need you and your Love. It’s His Spirit in us that does the work through our continual surrender and trust. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7. This is just one scripture that comes to mind, there are many. Read all of 1 John and 1 Corinthians 13 and let it renew your mind to the command to love. Praying for you my sister in Christ. Blessings to you!
@@TAdler-ex8px When you say I am being unscriptural, you are saying what I said is not the truth of God, however what I said was that by focusing on their relationship with God they can get closer to God’s bride naturally because the Bible produces fruit. Nowhere did I mention that it was okay to hold things against them.p, in fact I said the opposite.
“And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.” Mark 1:25-26 KJV
We try to make our "phrases" more important than GOD'S WORD First things first..JESUS said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. John 3:7 Repent and be converted. Then you'll be able to begin to understand Gods word and purpose for your life and for the church, through prayer and his Holy Spirit revealing to you🙏♥️
The opposite is happening in the church in Colombia, S.A. mostly women and a few young men or even middle Age men. The church looks like the WOMANs church. Men are needed of course bc they are a very important segment of society.
You can't be a girl and a monotheist without having Stockholm Syndrome. They just have trauma to work out and they think the church will help them, it won't. It just feeds off their trauma.
Prayer for both sides to get along. I know in the black church we struggle from black masculinity and the church is not protected if we don't have our men at the for front
This sounds really sad to hear we know Churches are not perfect I have been in mine for about 30 years and have gone through ups and downs. However, what has sustained me as a single mother is a personal relationship with Christ. The Bible says he who wants to make friends must first show himself friendly so you want to start with a relationship with Christ and then you want to build relationships with other people who are different from you, but your relationship with Christ will sustain you, but if you are just religious treating The church as some kind of social gathering, then you won’t last very long there. Let’s not forget that the church is also a battlefield where the enemy comes to rob steal and destroy so women need to be aware, discerning, prayerful, and God will cover and sustain them. Outside of this, we will find ourselves church hopping, which is not healthy. 🙏🏿
Address the fact that women need true faithful strong men in The Lord! A follower of Jesus desires to put God first. Perhaps many women get caught up in new age teachings of spirituality that teases them to do what thy will out of selfish and emotional motivation and this is quite the opposite of what Jesus teaches. He hates divination, sorcery! There are too many false women teachers out there that write books on "go ahead, eat the apple". Dangerous. If a woman does not have a man who loves The Lord, she can find a friend to be accountable to and better yet read God's Holy Book. I do say that it maybe difficult to find a sound doctrinal church to attend. Pray 🙏
Seems like more churches these days teach we are sinners. That's just who we are. Paul teaches we WERE sinners writing how can we who have died to sin still live in it.. Romans 6:2 It is Psalm 119:136 sad to see so much impropriety where we should expect to be drawing near to HIM. Sin isn't OK. Churches need to read 1 John 3:4 realize sin is still sin, and Christ isn't living our life for us we have to buckle down and live like HIM. That's what ought walk as HE walked means 1 John 2:6 We cannot "spiritually" obey commandments like Sabbath while our bodies are out shopping. It doesn't work that way..... HE has not forgiven every sin we are going to sin. see Heb 10:26 then read 1 John 3:4. Fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom. Hebrews 10:26 ESV - For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins. HIS Law is Love for HE is love and that's why HE gave it... Matt 22:37-40
Enough already. People are leaving the church due to abuse and usery.
That too. It's horrible it happens in such a place and at all.
@@WCove99That's on Jesus if he's real. If he's the shepherd, then he failed to keep his flock safe for not being able to differentiate between a carnivore and herbivore. "Wolves in sheeps clothing", he let them in the paddock in the first place.
And how is finding joy supposed to happen when their abusers are given shelter and “forgiveness” and the victims are made to feel that it is their fault? How are women to find joy when they are boxed in as a very narrow thing, seen as second class citizens to their male peers? It’s not overwhelm its disgust, especially in the age of Trump. The church needs to change, not women.
Also, I am happier and my kids are happier without the judgment that comes from the church regarding LGBTQ identities.
The church needs to change, not us.
Wrong
People love sin too much to change…
Exactly! But it's actually quite logical since the foundation of Christianity is when an all-powerful god visits a teenage girl in the night and tells her she WILL conceive and bear a son. A truly compassionate god would have understood the impropriety of such a command considering the imbalance of power.
The church is literally following what bible teaches. The vulnerable are sacrificed on the alter of forgiveness for their predators.
I'm glad so many of us are finally waking up.
@@bretteidem6248 Yes, we know what gaslighting is. That's _another_ reason why people are leaving.
You people just need to stop. You should have done so ages ago.
All walks of life are leaving the INSTITUTION, and that includes contemporary church. There’s too much flesh and religion mixed in with Gods Word.
But the body of Christ is still emerging, you just have to have eyes t see it and courage to be it!
No 2nd chance? Im glad my Heavenly Father judges my life....not humans.....we all make mistakes.....
Thank you and God bless you.
Ab ---- se is not a "mistake." It's a deliberate choice.
Stop using God to make excuses for people who do it.
Read your bibles instead of just trusting the pastor. Make sure they teach the right Jesus. The one told about in the Bible.
Church attendance is not the obstacle. It’s a genuine conversion to faith, and Baptism of the Holy Spirit that’s missing. If you’re filled with the Spirit you will crave the fellowship of the Church. It’s an explosion of belonging, love and joy to worship with likeminded believers. Truly repent, surrender to Jesus, trust Him 100% with your whole life and you will run to where He is, nothing will hold you back. He’s such a merciful, loving, gentle, delivering, healing Savior. ❤
Church is not just about talking with other believers, no offense but these people sometimes go through things that make talking with others a bit of a challenge, what is most important is their relationship with God not their relationship with other people, that naturally comes second.😊
No offense taken. I’ve been hurt too, and frankly I tend to be introverted but what you said is not scriptural. People will let us down, but we’re commanded to forgive, which the Holy Spirit will help you with if you come to the Father and ask in Jesus name. I’m sorry you or anyone has been hurt, I truly am, but if God’s love in us it will produce love for our fellow Christians, and frankly they need you and your Love. It’s His Spirit in us that does the work through our continual surrender and trust.
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.” 1 John 1:7. This is just one scripture that comes to mind, there are many. Read all of 1 John and 1 Corinthians 13 and let it renew your mind to the command to love. Praying for you my sister in Christ. Blessings to you!
@@TAdler-ex8px I said that the love of God would produce fruit, nothing I said was unscriptural.
@@TAdler-ex8px I said it when I said “it naturally comes second”.
@@TAdler-ex8px
When you say I am being unscriptural, you are saying what I said is not the truth of God, however what I said was that by focusing on their relationship with God they can get closer to God’s bride naturally because the Bible produces fruit. Nowhere did I mention that it was okay to hold things against them.p, in fact I said the opposite.
“And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.”
Mark 1:25-26 KJV
Im not reconsidering
We try to make our "phrases" more important than GOD'S WORD
First things first..JESUS said YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. John 3:7
Repent and be converted.
Then you'll be able to begin to understand Gods word and purpose for your life and for the church, through prayer and his Holy Spirit revealing to you🙏♥️
Amen
Not always easy to find a church that values women as Christ valued and loved women and children.
The opposite is happening in the church in Colombia, S.A. mostly women and a few young men or even middle Age men. The church looks like the WOMANs church. Men are needed of course bc they are a very important segment of society.
1 Timothy 2:12a woman is to learn in silence with ALL submission and I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over "no man"
@Biblical Workbooks: Bible Study with CATT silence masculine one.
@Biblical Workbooks: Bible Study with CATT Shhhh
You can't be a girl and a monotheist without having Stockholm Syndrome. They just have trauma to work out and they think the church will help them, it won't. It just feeds off their trauma.
That's because they aren't educated. The bane of fundamentalists-knowledge.
Prayer for both sides to get along. I know in the black church we struggle from black masculinity and the church is not protected if we don't have our men at the for front
This sounds really sad to hear we know Churches are not perfect I have been in mine for about 30 years and have gone through ups and downs. However, what has sustained me as a single mother is a personal relationship with Christ. The Bible says he who wants to make friends must first show himself friendly so you want to start with a relationship with Christ and then you want to build relationships with other people who are different from you, but your relationship with Christ will sustain you, but if you are just religious treating The church as some kind of social gathering, then you won’t last very long there. Let’s not forget that the church is also a battlefield where the enemy comes to rob steal and destroy so women need to be aware, discerning, prayerful, and God will cover and sustain them. Outside of this, we will find ourselves church hopping, which is not healthy. 🙏🏿
, amazing been called for that purpose beautiful God richly bless you
Address the fact that women need true faithful strong men in The Lord! A follower of Jesus desires to put God first. Perhaps many women get caught up in new age teachings of spirituality that teases them to do what thy will out of selfish and emotional motivation and this is quite the opposite of what Jesus teaches. He hates divination, sorcery! There are too many false women teachers out there that write books on "go ahead, eat the apple". Dangerous. If a woman does not have a man who loves The Lord, she can find a friend to be accountable to and better yet read God's Holy Book. I do say that it maybe difficult to find a sound doctrinal church to attend. Pray 🙏
Seems like more churches these days teach we are sinners. That's just who we are.
Paul teaches we WERE sinners writing how can we who have died to sin still live in it.. Romans 6:2
It is Psalm 119:136 sad to see so much impropriety where we should expect to be drawing near to HIM.
Sin isn't OK. Churches need to read 1 John 3:4 realize sin is still sin, and Christ isn't living our life for us we have to buckle down and live like HIM. That's what ought walk as HE walked means 1 John 2:6
We cannot "spiritually" obey commandments like Sabbath while our bodies are out shopping. It doesn't work that way.....
HE has not forgiven every sin we are going to sin. see Heb 10:26 then read 1 John 3:4. Fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom.
Hebrews 10:26 ESV - For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
HIS Law is Love for HE is love and that's why HE gave it... Matt 22:37-40
1 Timothy 2:12, A woman is to learn in silence with ALL submission and I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over "no man"
@Biblical Workbooks: Bible Study with CATT silence masculine one.
@@kmountain5533 Which is exactly why most of the human race does not make it into the kingdom of heaven.
@@itsjusttoolateheaven doesn't exist
But what is a woman?
1 Timothy 2:12, A woman is to learn in silence with ALL submission and I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over "no man"
@@itsjusttoolate Go in there and tell them that.
@@itsjusttoolate women will be extremely attracted to that if she is a masochist.