A BIG *THANK YOU* for the amount of work and research you're putting in these videos! It was a wish of mine to make a channel similar to yours for Europe (to match the same quality of Vox, Bloomberg, or Quartz), and seeing you make it happen really gives me a lot of joy and hope. I wish you growth and success in your passion! 🙌🏻
You don't want to be as poorly made or biased as Vox or Bloomberg, it's not bad but it's also not perfect, I find Caspian Report to be far more accurate
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Well, they are sponsored by big names so of course they will be biased (they weren't like that in the beginning). But about being poorly made I will have to disagree with you, as Vox's visual graphics is outstanding in my opinion, and I've been looking at Cheddar, Quartz, Bloomberg, and others for years. Vox is still at the top.
@@am_that_guy I've seen Vox a few times and it's all bias, spin and bullshit, if you want to say it's good because of pretty colors and some special effects then even that is medicore in my opinion but to each his own I suppose. still does not make it good Journalism, in fact it's in my top 10 of least trustworthy channels out there. last time they did any good reporting was with the Azov Batalion that everyone on the left was ignoring for some reason, think that was 2016 or something, even then it was only impressive because everyone else did not even mention it.
Portugal - agriculture only accounts for 2.4% of the economic output. Most of the economy is based on services followed by manufacturing, hence, that’s why Portugal is not worried about opening the agricultural market to South America. French farmers have a big problem with it!
@@nicholasd9435 "They should just quit their job" is not a viable argument. You can't tell hundreds of thousands of people to "just quit their job" and claim it's a good policy. You need to provide social assistance in some form, otherwise you create regions of ruins like in the rust belt in the US. At the same time, I'm very skeptical when it comes to the criticism concerning pesticides used in other countries, especially, if the people there are largely fine. Ex.: When TTIP was going to happen (US-EU trade agreement), people in Europe were protesting with signs (saw them where I live in Germany) claiming "we don't want chlorine food" because it was allowed to disinfect chicken meat by dumping it in chlorine in the US. I was lucky enough to spend some time in the US, while the agreement was debated. Many republicans loved the free trade aspect of it but certain democrats were scared about the "low food and health standards existing in Europe". Specifically, they were scared about chickens in the EU being fed antibiotics, which results in a loss of effectiveness of antibiotics in humans after eating too much treated chicken. They preferred chicken being dumped in chlorine. They saw the exact opposite method, their own policy, as the better one. Meanwhile, I have yet to hear about negative effects from eating chicken treated with chlorine. To be honest, this example clarifies, that people (here the Europeans) overestimate their own countries food and safety standards or underestimate those of others. Both in Europe and the US, I haven't heard of anybody dying because of chicken they ate, if it wasn't too old, while being conform to the local health and safety standards of the country. Most of the "bad standards" are a publicly held belief caused by a mediatisation of the issue. The strongest argument against the agreement therefore doesn't concern pesticides but the environmental damages induced by the economic growth and the violation of indigenous people's rights.
@@laMoria well then stop pushing for deals with your ex-colonies, morocco alone has FLOODED the market with pesticide-full vegetables and it's FRANCE that keeps protecting it.
Small correction on Mercpsur countries: Venezuela is technicaly a full member but had its membership suspended due to human rights violations. Bolivia is also already accepted as full member and is being transitioned into full membership.
@@Swift-mr5zi not protectionist, just colonialist. The trade deals france has pushed to EU are all with its ex-colonies, which it tries to economically tie through visa and business elements. For france any trade with non-ex-french countries is competition to its own deals.
Great video! Didn't know about the EU-Mercosur deal even though I am an EU citizen. Your videos are truly professional, only weird thing I noticed was that the "winner & loser" "stamps" considering agriculture were lower-resolution compared to the video ;)
As with any trade deals their will always be a sector that will win and lose out. I still think this deal will be a huge benefit to all and continue to show the strength of the EU on the international stage. The main thing I wouldn't accept is lowing food standards, this is currently happening in the UK whom is trying to have a trade deal with Australia.
As seen in this video, this trade deal will ONLY benefit the great agriculture signs in South America (Most of them foreigner european companies or big land owners). Not to mention that it will probably fuel deforestation, the over use of toxic pesticides and it'll cost South America most of his own industry (Which is very weakened) No matter how you put it, this deal will cost South America his development and enviroment just to make rich an small porcentage of the population, who will probably take the money out of the region. As they did, always...
I think Mercosur should definitely not make this agreement with Europe as it only benefits European large manufacturers and it would completely destroy local industry, while Europe would probably just subsidize their agriculture to outcompete Latin America. A FTA with the UK is more beneficial because the UK has a more complementary economy with Mercosur or Australia.
@@FOLIPE but Argentina would never accept such deal with United Kingdom. Not if the Malvinas Islands problem is still alive. All the South Latin American countries support Argentina. It is no easy matter...
@@ricardogoncalves5351 I don't think they'd mind, as long as the deal protects some of their industry, and the UK is not an industrial economy so they should be fine with that
@@ricardogoncalves5351 I am Argentine, the issue of the Falkland islands is only social, in general the rest of the world supports us, but it is a secondary issue if we want to ally ourselves with the European countries and improve our economy.
There is huge hypocrisy in Europe (farmer's son from Europe here), wanting to be all environmentally friendly, non-GMO, few pesticides, few fertilizer and then this ._.
@@glif1360 it's a policy from the 90s that's outdated as hell, when GMO'S first came into the market it was uncertain how safe they were and for what purpose they would be used, also certain lawsuits could be made if GMO crops got pulinated by non-gmo crops so to not have to deal with the legal complications which in Europe are much more complicated than the US they simply banned GMO's and never changed that policy, though it has loosened it's policies on GMO crops being used in food products like Soy and what not.
Great video. Thanks again. As a Norwegian it is very valuable to get reporting like this about these big important EU policies and deals that are not covered by our national media.
Europeans don t care about Europe, we like to pretend we re closer to absurdly different cultures than to each other, we ve been starting to pay dearly for those delusions and for treating neighbors as if they re a distant island 😐
Honestly, I'm Argentinian and sympathize with France and Ireland. I actually would prefer for Argentina's manufacturing industry to develop more instead of becoming dependent on European manufactured goods. But maybe that's shortsighted, I'm not good at economics.
Brazilian here. I'm not good at Economics either. =D I heard the problem with manufacturing in Argentina (and South America in general) is that we're way too far from supply chains that could bring a comparative advantage for most industries to establish here in the long run. If we want an industry-based growth, products must be interesting for buyers worldwide not just inside the continent. We also have issues pertaining to increasing exchange rates affecting our imports, which brings inflation, and low or periodical demand for certain products of manufacturing that are better off bought from China.
I think that this is one of the more comprehensive videos I have seen on the topic. Thank you for your work. I'm not crazy about that deal but it's interesting to see its ups and downs.
czesc to my polish brothers 😀👍 bon soir to my french brothers 😀👍 buna ziua to my romanian brothers 😀👍 there are really huge powers appearing around the World, its becoming really competitive, we need to stick together
As a Brazilian I oppose this deal. It's not just European farmers that will be harmed. My state has more cattle than people and beef prices here have skyrocketed thanks to the devaluation of our currency, so all the meat, especially premium cuts get exported to China and the EU, so most Brazilians cannot afford beef and even poultry anymore. The media has been telling us, one of the largest producers of beef, pork and poultry in the world, to eat eggs as a source of protein. Not to mention that our forests and savannahs are being destroyed by soy plantations.
There are many issues: 1. Our agriculture would not gain as in day one europeans would use environmental clauses and subsidies to limit Brazilian exports there, so the gain would be much more limited than it seems at first glance. 2. Their industry would flood our markets and bankrupt our industries. Worse, since most industrial companies here are actually foreign subsidiaries we can't even talk of true competition - factories would simply move their manufacturing back to their home countries in Germany, France, Holland etc. 3. This agreement is bad for the environment in Brazil and in fact was only agreed after Bolsonaro went into power because he wanted a political win and so out of desperation he agreed with all EU demands. Other countries in Mercosul aren't that desperate so it might well break the block apart. It's basically a win-win where Europe wins twice.
This. It would have been the final nail in the coffin for Argentina. We need to solve our political issues (aka get rid of the left) and rebuild our economy before doing a trade deal with the euros.
In Northern Germany, we have a saying: "Why does the farmer wear rubber boots? Because shoelaces are not subsidized." Most farmers here are heavily relying on European or national subsidizing for their profits, while they cry for help, when they make losses due to bad weather. I can't stand these people.
Romanian farmers will lose so much Actually, yes I dont think it s fair that part about pesticides etc and all regulamentations an European has to follow. Mercosur s countries should adopt at least the same agricultural politicies first.
Agreed it was the same with the US deal, that luckily fell. We would lower our food standards and animal welfare in order to buy cheaper meat of Lower quality from America. We have to have standards when making deals
The thing is the EU has billions in agricultural subsidies. I think no agreement should be reached while that continues. Mercosul only stands to lose whatever industry it still has while Europe will keep their subsides and other health and weather related barriers to agricultural trade.
The main partner of South American nations is China. If the EU doesn't buy, China will. That's the problem: by having regulations, the EU becomes unappealing.
Europe should focus on what it is good at, using the taxpayer's money to subsidize food production is a complete lack of respect for the taxes we pay. We pay more for food and still go up, because it will be bad for some farmers who are friends with the government?
European Union: We love free market! You should do that too! Open up! 😇 Mercosur: OK then, the only thing we produce is agricultural goods. We are underdeveloped, you know? You can sell me whatever you want and we sell you what we got, this farm stuff. We are actually good at it 😊 EU: How dare you! 😡
La postura de Francia es totalmente hipócrita y exige a Sudamérica estándares que ellos mismos no se aplican. Esperemos que por el bien de todos el acuerdo salga adelante, eliminando las cláusulas abusivas y humillantes que Francia se empeña en imponer. Un saludo desde España a nuestros hermanos iberoamericanos.
The deal was almost closed in 2019, but change of goverments delayed everything and now because of Covid, it doen´t seem to have a bright future. Maybe in 20 more years!
Some European farmers will lose. Dutch farmers receive a fraction of the subsidies and have the cheapest food costs I’ve ever seen in a developed country
@@thorH. technology and productivity. The Dutch are the second largest agricultural exporters in Europe and there farms look like nothing I’ve ever seen. Lots of greenhouses, drones, less pesticides. The even more impressive part is that it’s not dominated by giant Agro companies either.
@@thorH. Quite simple: Leave no room to nostalgia. Just build big farms and innovate and have ever tightening environmental and animal rights standards. We also have had a price war (the 2003-2007 supermarktoorlog) among mainstream supermarkets. Whereas the German low budget supermarkets looked at their logistics to cut spending, (Ahold godfather) Albert Heijn decided instead to find the limits of Dutch child labour law, but also to demand lower prices from farmers. Farmers are still not too happy about that (farmer suicide is a serious issue while we used to have big farmer protests the last two years), but this made them way more efficient.
I hope after all the troubles in America we'll be able to be United and finally do our own union with the Peso Latinoaméricano as currency with free trade agreements, free transit on the continent and basing the currency on the continent's resources and making the continent stronger
From Portugal, I think the deal should be made Not only my country will benefit the most from this because of being closer, already having a submarine internet cable to south america and having Brazil, the biggest power in South America speaking portuguese, but it will also made our farmers realize that they need to change Our farmers spend shit tons of water for exemple, wich causes droughts in our rivers and due to more spent of money in water makes our agricultural output more expensive. With this deal they will be forced to use new techniques already being used in countries such as Isreal, Netherlands, China etc, wich in my vew, will benefit us. I only have 2 concerns about it. Consuming more south american food wich uses a lot of pesticides and fertelizers will be hypocrit, so either south americans stop using it or european farmers will have to use pesticides to. Wich is, at the best words, not enviromentaly friendly. The other is with the amazon rainforest, it is already passing trought a huge deforestation crisis, if the europeans start to consume products from there more than they already do they amazonia has no hope. I think that as long as south american countries increase their enviromental regulations, the deal will still benefit both of them
It's bad for Brazil, it's good for Portugal (as long as y'all are fine with receiving millions of economic refugees in the future) because Brazil would become like Angola, but for Brazil that's sliding backwards.
@@joaquimbarbosa896 It's not opening new markets, it's destroying any chance of developing the local manufacturing sector while giving a glimpse of opening Europe a little to our agro exports without any guarantee Europe will cut subsidies to their agro sector. Regardless, it is an agreement that favors de-industrialization of the economies in South America, which means less jobs and lower incomes, more inequality and social problems. That's bad all over.
@@FOLIPE So let me see You are saying that, a trade deal about industry with Europe will de-industrialize Europe? Why? Why would an investor chose a european country to build a factory when they can do the same in Brazil for exemple, where the labor is cheaper and its closer to mineral resources. With the deal it would be much easear to export to Europe So there is no chance that the deal will de-industrialize South america. At the best it will de-industrilize Europe.
@@joaquimbarbosa896 No, de-industrialize South America. The investors will choose to build manufacturing in Europe because (1) it's already there, (2) the European market is larger and has a bigger scale, (3) the companies have sensitive technology they don't want to use overseas if not necessary, (4) the companies are mostly european anyway, they are under political and economic pressure to bring jobs back home etc. That's what is happening for example with some car manufacturing after the Japan deal, they are just bringing manufacture back to Japan and planing on exporting it to Europe and the UK. Maybe South America will benefit a little from delocalization, like India and the Philippines, but this deal is made specifically so South America becomes a commodity supplier and not to allow it to move up in the value chain. Possibly even orange juice will be made in Europe and re-exported
If we want the European union to become stronger, we must stop seeing benefits or harms separately by countries and start seeing them as a benefit for the whole union. So we're not going anywhere. If it benefits Germany, Portugal, Spain, it benefits all of Europe. If it hurts France and Belgium, it hurts the whole of Europe. the solution is to see what the greatest long-term benefit to the union really is. And whether we want to be a player in the world or just a bunch of countries with wars and hatreds that get us nowhere.
Most friction in the union comes when it benefits one country but damages the other. What do you do then? Case and point pulsfishing (netherlands vs france). One sidr claims its better for the environment one worse
@@robertjonker8131 We need to start looking at everything as a whole, there must be competition, but also solidarity. If we have different views and rules within the union, further fragmentation is inevitable. First there has to be Europe.
@@brunorebelo6879 oh sorry misread your comment. Yeah i agree, i find it ridiculous that about a third of EU money, 60 billion euro's goes to the agricultural sector which is only 0,5% of our gdp. We could use that money way more in the digital economy and things like Ai, semiconductors, battery tech or any other future industry which has a chance to grow our economy. The lobbying against this seems to stem from corruption in the EU.
Europe's food security isn't worth risking. Mercosur would need to agree to follow EU agricultural standards as well before this deal should go through.
I am South American and what agricultural standards you refer to the ecologist dictatorship promoted by the European Union we are not at the economic level of Europe but I believe that the European Parliament should know better respect south America because as soon as they do business with the two parties respecting each other and not with one of the parties on a throne demanding that the other party humble itself so that the agreement is concluded
That's why they took 20 years to make the deal. Besides, Europe must loosen it's grip if it wants to take on china. China doesn't care for democracy or whatever and they'll eventually win because of their lack of regulations when it comes to international relations.
No. This stupid. You know nothing about it. First, you do realize Mercosur already follow a very strict environmental regulation, that it polutes incomparably less than Europe per capita, and that Brazil has a different weather, flora, agriculture, bacteria and therefore plant diseases than say, France, don't you? Please stop spreading misinformation for God's sake. The environmental risks to the agreement are being studied for more than 20 years by specialists who were paid to study that at a very serious level. Why are you talking about this issue as though you knew something?
I'm not happy about the fact we'll make our agricultural sector rely that much on non european countries and let them use their own regulation on food quality. Also, if you do that, you have to subsidize european farmers. You can't just kill their activity and let them with nothing, you have to give compensations - which will also negate their opposition to the deal and isn't a loss considering the benefits from the deal.
The subsidies are exactly why Mercosur shouldn't agree with it. Europe will simply subsidize their farmers to beat more competitive south American agriculture while exporting all their manufactured goods. This is only good for Europe.
That's exactly the same reason why Latin American countries have been protectionist, by fear of having their industries dying, and as stated in the video that's the exact reason why both are trying to change. It's called global capitalism. I don't agree with it, but it's how it works.
The same in Brazil, Europe has a stronger industry in general, opening our markets will make our country even more of an agroexporter and NOTHING more… I wish to see Brazil industrialize and be the powerhouse it can be… not just the place where chine and Europe plant their soybeans… which are the reason some f*ckers are burning the forests, to plant soybeans…
@@ryankahler2034 in certain aspects I agree. But Brazil already has a snall number of good industries. I think a bigger issue than international competition is really the bureaucracy in Brazil and the public policies which make harder for Brazilian companies to expand internationally. I haven't read the deal, but if includes some options for the export of industrial products from Mercosur too it might bring some benefits due to easier export and added international competition. But, realistically speaking, the deal will most likely be canceled when (probably at this point) a new president is elected in Brazil or because of opposition of some EU countries.
@@gabrielbrunoparreira5670 Brazil has less and less good industries today because the country decided to de-industrialize in the 90s and unfortunately this deal is another nail in the coffin of the possibility of a developed Brazil. We used to make cars, planes, trains, ships and machines...now, after senseless liberalization there's not even a Brazilian company that makes TV sets anymore. Unfortunately Brazil gave up having an industrial policy, and that's like going to a fight where everyone is taking guns just with your fist. You might throw a few punches but you're also going to die.
As a Brazilian I think this deal is a shit. Only a small number of farmers will get money but it will destroy the remaining of Brazilian and Argentine industry. Brazil deindustrialized more fast than Europe and the last thing it needs is competition. Brazil needs to reindustrialize first and then make a deal.
I totally agree, of course a lot of politicians are backed by ruralist money so they will keep pushing this agenda without any regard for or other sectors of economy
I am in favour of this deal only if food and environmental policies in South America improve and comply with European quality standards. Free trade between both regions can be beneficial, but the EU must make sure that any imported food comply with our strict regulations.
So, get rid of our few competitive advantages (like the use of gmos) and also let you obliterate our industries? A win win for you and a shitty deal for us
Really appreciate this video. Does a great job at not only explaining the deal and it's consequences, but also explaining which sector in which countries are for or against it and especially giving reasons on why that is, within a 7 minute runtime. There's definitely things that are being left out or being oversimplified, but by having the sources in your description, this video gives plenty of a great jumping off points if one is more interested in the specifics. What I'm saying; really great work!
Mostly agreed, though there are issues that cannot simply be left at that, such as with the Amazon which affects more than just Brazil, or River systems that Flow through multiple countries, and examples like that. Again though, mostly agreed
But Brazil should not give up on its sovereignty claiming it is its sovereign right to be an European colony. This agreement is giving up our sovereignty
An argentinian here, our automovil manufacturing sector its competitive also we are competitive at software development belive it or not. This is not the case for the textil and hardware industries (Huge protecionism) This must stop an the only way is to put them to compete with Europe.
@@julonkrutor4649 I agree with you, on the industries ive mention before there are good labor conditions. However iam not totally aware if its the case for the brasilian agricultural sector. At least thats in part what France says to avoid competing and protect their farmers
They are competitive within Mercosur, until you sign a trade deal with the EU and all the factories in Argentina move back to their home country (they are all subsidiaries of foreign companies) and start to export back tariff free. Argentina and Brazil for that matter have not modernized their economy so opening up like that when we depend on foreign companies for jobs and don't have home grown capital or technology will lead to devastation on a huge scale.
@@FOLIPE The opening will take decades, to avoid what you call a disaster. Argentina today its really cheap for investors the cost of high and low quality employees its cheaper than ever before. The Software indutries compete with the world today not only with mercosur, the automovil hub in argentina its strong. Dont know where are you from (if youre argentinian you will understand) but Tierra del fuego hardaware industries will disapear in the long or short term. Its is not a sustainable proyect they only survive due to taxpayers money and FMI loans. The EU trade deal will save us billions.
@@facundoposleman1060 I'm from Brazil. The problem is that those industries and hubs will disappear if you open up for Europe without having local companies. The time it will take will only guarantee the local subsidiaries will use their current fixed capital until its completely worthless, they'll not make new investments when they can just import stuff from their headquarters with a much larger scale in Europe, slowly, during the course of that period. Opening by itself doesn't make our industries more competitive, it will just kill all the ones which are less competitive than Europe leaving us with our specialty: being poor and doing stuff that pays poorly, like agriculture. Industrial jobs and manufacturing will only move back to Europe. There's a small hope for sectors that rely on delocalization for highly qualified and low cost labor (like as you mentioned software development) but that alone can't sustain a large country's economy. We'll just become like India (a small highly globalized segment which provides low cost services to European economies and a huge poor population which is useless). Also depending on delocalization guarantees you can never catch up to Europe economically, not even Portugal or Spain, as if you do then your cost is comparable to them and they'll just move the jobs back home - so the ceiling is pretty low. It would be reasonably fine for Uruguay, but Argentina and Brazil would suffer greatly, particularly Brazil where most people are not that educated.
This chanel is so amazing, unfortunately there isn´t many people talking about this agreement in EU or in Mercosur besides some corporations and gov. officials. Me as brazilian with portuguese decent hope that one day this deal will be finnaly in force. For many years Mercosur, and therefore Brazil, was a very closed organization, we opened to 3 countries and closed to the rest of the world. This was the first biggest step made by mercosur, and furthermore all the facts talked in the video, a peronist argentine president also plays an special role in this conflict. Sorry for my fool english folks, i´m still learning it.
God forbid! Signing that deal is giving up on Brazil being a decent country, and allowing the country to become a giant Mato Grosso but with 200m people, which means a lot of inequality and even worsening living conditions for most.
Eca! Sai mano... Além de eles estarem precisando muito desse acordo não abrem mão do orgulho, querem sair vencendo em um acordo que por si só já mataria metade das nossas industrias.
No country ever has fully developed as an agricultural giant. If Latin American countries wanted to reach a higher development status, they need to diversify their economies and stop relying on agriculture. Crops make money but a diverse economy with multiple manufacturing jobs would enrich Latin American nations faster and more efficiently. Regardless, since the deal is already going to happen anyways, they might as well utilize the funds from European trade deals to develop other sectors of their societies rather than focus solely on agriculture. They also should work with their surrounding neighbors to help each other develop based on the resources each offer. Maybe Argentina could focus on energy exports ie. green energy and nuclear power (even though this one is in decline), while Brazil focuses on textiles, automotive industries, etc. I guess my worry is these countries are going to be dependent on agriculture. Is this an unfair assessment?
Yes, more or less. Argentina already sells Brazil a part of its energy production just like Uruguay. And Brazil is (of all major coutries in the world today) the one that has the largest proportion of its energy supplied by renewables. Some renewable sources in Brazil are doubling size annually, like solar and wind. Green energy is definetely not a problem for Argentina AND Brazil, in my opinion. Also, ethanol is a large source of fuel in Brazil, which makes cars in this country considerably less poluting than the average American, Chinese or European automobiles. Also, agricultural products are NOT Brazil's main economic sector, it's waaaaaaaay behind in terms of overall importance. Other commodities come first including iron ores, crude oil. Also, Brazil is an average car manufacturer still. It produces airplanes, helicopters, and a hell other non-agricultural stuff.
Equal competition is good, this deal would only cement a new colonial economy in South America. South America needs to develop first and only then enter global FTAs with advanced economies that don't protect its industry. South Korea and Japan are the model, not Chile
Con los gobiernos corruptos de latinoamerica en serio crees que latinoamerica se debe desarrollar primero para entrar al comercio internacional? Yo nos vendieron esas mentiras proteccionistas por décadas, dejemos de cerrarnos a la innovación.
@@FOLIPE Well considering Chile is one of the most succesful countries in South America they are the model. Japan and South Korea had Uncle Sam. And how are we supposed to develop huh?
@@agustinbenavente4830 We are supposed to develop like we did between 1950 and 1980, back when Brazil grew 7 percent annually for half a century. Chile is not a model of anything, it's poorer than Romania and hugely dependent on one commodity (copper). Will we also get one huge copper deposit for each 20 million people in Brazil? Besides, aiming for Chile is aiming for mediocrity. Geopolitics is always giving opportunities for countries to exploit just like Japan and S. Korea did.
Yet, that doesn't mean the pressure on Brazil will end. It would come anyway, it was just a pleasent surprise for the Europeans that an idiot was in charge here.
I think I read somewhere that New Zealand got rid of a CAP-like scheme altogether some years ago, and far from affecting its economy, actually increased its agricultural output.
It's not only about economic and productivity output, if it affects climate and/or welfare of the workers, it is reason enough to take a second look before signing them off. Liberalization isn't always good.
@@cekan14 Water pollution increased massively. "'Under serious threat': New Zealand vows to clean up its polluted waterways" "New Zealand Waterways Fouled by Farm Runoff, Tourist Waste"
Is not fair competition if the mercosur doesnt have similar laws to EU laws, particular pesticides, respect for the environment, quality of the product, conditions of the workforce and minorities. No deal, by now.
Plus, i bet that agriculture and livestock in mercosur is not more efficiant and goos than EU, if it is is because they r4pe soil, people, animals, forests.
Their demographic issues are no one else's business - national, tribal and race relations aren't for the Western world to get some saviour or God complex over. However the environmental issues very much are a different story, and it is scandalous to undermine European produce after all the regulatory & ethical effort put into shaping it to be a certain way. The South American countries should have to conform to the same food standards.
It's not fair because the EU has billion dollar subsidies for its agriculture. This deal is simply to benefit EU industry and later on prevent Mercosur exports with health "concerns".
Yes, it's not fair that developed countries that already have stabilized economies, try to impose more regulations on emerging countries who had to deal with a lot more bullshit than they have from the very beggining of our existence. It's easy to talk about green deals when you spread miss information about fires (even tough the data shows it's not true) and you already destroyed most of your forests and developed your country to a level where this kind of polices are acceptable. Yeah, i totally agree that it's a no deal, let's talk more when Europe step out of the hyprocrite high ground and starts to negoatiate like serious countries.
We already tried protecionism and protecting our local industries and that is not working. Things need to change and this treaty is exactly what we need. It's not perfect and it will harm our industrial capacity in the short term but it will befenit us in the long one.
Europe need to be honest, the real reason why this agreement is not approved yet is because country’s like France are bad capitalists and need protectionism, they don’t embrace liberalism completely, economic liberalism are growing fast in South America and sectors like agriculture has very low subsidies. Anyway China are hungry for SA products and have a larger market than Europe.
It isn't approved because of the European agrolobby. It is close to be approved because of the German industrial lobby. There's no such a thing as liberalism in Europe, there's only different interests trying to destroy South America using liberal ideology as the tool for South Americans to perpetuate suicide
and yet brazil is the most protective of everything. Pharmaceuticals for example, high tariffs, cars, high tariffs, wine, high tariffs, even olive oil that you dont produce, high tariffs.
It is a very unfair agreement with Mercosur, which does not even include new energy vehicles, Europe that continues to pollute Mercosur, I hope this agreement is never signed
Fuck that. Your fancy hyper efficient tomatoes taste like plastic. Romanian agriculture might be medieval but our local tomatoes taste like heaven. Keep your shitty Dutch agriculture.
@@RoScFan I suspect that depends a lot on the variety. Some tomatoes taste amazing, some can travel long distances and can sit on supermarket shelves for many days.
'Bolsonaro is temporary.. his popularity is in free fall' This is not a fair statement to make, given the current situation. This is a common mistake of journalism which I feel shows a lack of understanding of politics and polls. First off, there are regularly polls showing Bolsonaro winning or nearly winning the next election. (twitter account AmericaElige regularly posts polls), his favourability is often shown around equal with his unfavourability. Second of all, even if he was relatively unpopular that doesn't mean he'll lose the next election (look at Trump or Macron). Third of all, just because he's unpopular now in the middle of his term doesn't mean he'll be unpopular when it comes to the election (Bill de Blasio in New York or the PQ in Quebec ~2005 are examples that come to mind, I'm sure there are better ones). Fourth of all, there is nothing to say his policies will be overturned, look at Trump, he had a load of unprecedented policies which never would've happened without him but now he's gone and they've been left alone. Not to mention if he rigs the election. Predicting the future is close to impossible and should only be done from a solid footing.
Hi! Perhaps, that could have been formulated better, but that was not the point that was being made here. The point was about that regardless of Bolsonaro, opposition to the deal was likely to remain on ecological or protectionist grounds. Thanks for the feedback though, will be more careful in the future with these statements in scripts in the future! Cheers, Hugo
No worries! I'm thankful people like you hold me to the high standard I want to achieve! :) (especially when the feedback is well constructed and constructive). Cheers, Hugo
It is quite true though, he is less popular than ever, his popularity is falling, and he is the least popular president for this time in his term. That said, it is true that things can change (for better or worse) until 2022, and his election results (defeat or victory) are far from certain.
I feel like it would better for the environment in general if europe focused on relying on domestic industries rather than importing beef from the other side of the world.
This deal is overwhelmingly beneficial to Europe over South America. It will only cement the unequal relationship between the two where South America specializes in low value commodity exports and Europe on high value tech and manufacturing. It is the dream agreement for Europe and a nightmare for South America which is only going forward due to Bolsonaro being in the brazilian presidency. If South American countries wanted to completely give up any chance of developing and becoming decent countries, it would have been easier to just accept ALCA in the 90s..but hopefully the European agricultural lobby will buy enough time for Brazil to recover its senses and this deal with sink again
I know it's said that money makes the world go round but the EU can't possibly partner up with Brazil / Bolsanaro... Absolute opposite ends of ethics and everything! 😱
Every countries or economics zone should produce and eat their own food. It's fucking stupid to spend time and energy just to sell fruits/vegetables off season. It's a non sense. People are so use to eat cheap that they are willing to eat garbage. I hope this deal will never happen.
For Uruguay it is an excellent deal Uruguay has excellent agricultural products and raw materials, having total free trade agreements with countries like Japan And thanks to the political, social and economic stability, in addition to its relative size It is not a threat to anyone and a stable partner But for some reason my country still wants to involve the rest of the nations of the continent, even though they are time bombs. A and the lady of the Mercosur leaders, is not a president, is a former vice president
It's true, it's good for Uruguay as they are basically an agricultural exporter. But the reason why Uruguay still stays inside Mercosur is simple: the country they export the most to is China, second is Brazil, third is the US and fourth is Argentina. But I think Mercosur should just be disbanded or just be Brazil and Argentina at this point. Uruguay, particularly, would be better of just being agricultural exporters and importing manufactured goods.
@@FOLIPE Well .. no Argentina is no longer a big trading partner China is the first with 31% The EU with 18% Brazil 12% The latter is the one that is losing power and can be replaced by the USA by the 25th. Our neighbors are not trustworthy and the best is as you say
@@TremereTT Not at all, because if you know something about the EU you will know that it is a political organization, when Mercosur is only commercial What has done well in Brexit in general for the UK has been the economy, GDP and trade agreements When everything bad about Brexit as separatism has no place in Uruguay (since there is no other culture other than the Uruguayan or separatist movements) What hurt the British economy are the agricultural products resulting from the reorganization of the agreements, a problem that we do not have because we start from scratch when formalizing the agreements If you paid attention to the video, you know that the EU is both a social and economic political government, Mercosur is only commercial.
Nah dude, Europe has pretty good quality food, you don't wanna go compromising that. I'm sure there's some bad actors in the agricultural lobby but that's a grossly reductionist way to characterise things. The South American countries should adopt the European standards, then it'd be fair. Countries should always maintain an agricultural capacity though, in case something major occurs.
Another free trade deal the UK is going to miss out on. There is no way the UK could negotiate the kind of deal on its own that the EU can....Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving....
I mean.... now they can't maybe but in the 20th century they made a deal with Argentine to only sell their beef to gp. Disaster for the Argentines but pretty sweet for gb back then.
When I go to France I only see French wine on market shelves. Not even Italian or Spanish wine. Even though French wine is good, nobody can deny, that says something.
@@AShiga he s making an inexistant movie out of it, and countries with hundreds of years tradition in wine, generally have more of their wine on the shelves
You'll find foreign wine in every fairly large grocery store in France. Of course french will prefer to drink something local rather than from a distant country. You can't blame french to drink french wine, as much you can't blame an Argentinian to drink Argentinian wine.
The regulation has not weakened, quite the contrary the military has been operation in the amazon way more offten during j.bolsonaro presidency and have apprehended way more illigal goods (like wood, gold ect.). Also brazil has the strictest laws regarding the environment, what it needs is police force enforcing it.
Perhaps European farmers can grow NATO long-life food/emergency rations for the upcoming crisis in China when the CCP loses control over its economy. Keeping people fed will prevent the CCP from expending their dwindling fertile youth into a disastrous Falkland-style war meant only to distract the slaves from the xenophobic nation's failures. (I'm reminded of a scene in Charlton Heston's El Cid where the coalition forces catapult bread into a besieged city. They didn't want to vanquish, they wanted to remove corrupt leadership. Perhaps, I'm too romantic, but I'd rather prevent a more tragic outcome--Total War.)
Why should European farmers accept having to have played ball and moulded their industry and craft to conform to standards of health and quality, foregoing easier profits that would have come from pumping chemical shit Into the produce, only to be be tossed away as just some farmers and "corporatists" and have their many decades of work undermined by foreign farming that doesn't conform to those standards? Get over this dopey urbanite fake revolutionary mindset where more consuming more shitty product is considered good and sticking it to the "corporatist" powers.
Some European countries just want to continue their protectionist policy against Mercosur countries, and use any excuse to curtail imports from the area.
Well said, which is why Mercosur shouldn't accept this deal. It simply gives Europe what they want and allows them to later alter their small negotiated concessions claiming health and environmental concerns.
@@FOLIPE both sides have to maka concessions for the trade deal to go ahead. If both receive better access to the other msrket. It will be good for both and create thousands of jobs
Pretty much yeah and often times hurting their own causes, many of them being against nuclear energy, planting windmiles that cost a lot, kill local animals like birds and still not meet their co2 reduction quota's. You know the saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@@tuurelindstrom1238 I do, but there was plenty of it even before eco activists. But, I'll grant you, clean water is a fair point. However, things like banning hydroplants, banning deforestation and religious climate activism are all dumb causes in my opinion.
Idk. If Lula de Silva is re-elected in Brazil. Breaking protectionism and supporting free trade is something I don't expect him to do. (Maybe) He is an old lefty. Government interventionism and protection of industries is what I expect him to do. EU will need a Brazilian Neo-Liberal president to ensure the deal goes smoothly.
Lula literally did jail time for corruption, why would the Brazilian people elect such an idiot? It's also not in western Europe's favor. The best case situation would be for Bolsonaro to compremise to the EU-Mer deal or find someone within his own party or opposition to try and help elect, Lula is a joke in my view but some nations seem to like being seen as jokes I think, same in western Europe.
Nice video!! Very engaging from beginning to end. Nevertheless, businesses and investment are the easiest way to make money irrespective of which party makes it to the oval office.
Awesome video. Basically, Bolsonaro's ecocidal policies served as a scapegoat to France's internal opposition to the deal. And some good news though, the Antiminister of Environment was thrown out of the government today, as he faces several charges in the Supreme Court for corruption and involvement with illegal logging operations in the Amazon rainforest. Maybe someone even worse will come to take his hole, but for now, we're cheering.
Please, if you could, research more about environment protection or the true about conservation of Amazon. I am Brazilian and I can see here the false narrative about increased fire in Amazon due to leftist and all tradicional political interests, and that's what is exported. All dry years has more fire in Amazon, unfortunately. And that is what happened last year. If you see the fire data through the years, it I'll be clear. Brasil is consern about Amazon and we have one of the most strong and burocratic laws in that sector. The expansion of agriculture occurs almost entirely at the south states of Brasil, as you can see in more research. Also, the agricultural is one of the few sectors here that we saw technical and cientific research development. And the Brasil labor in is extremely protect by the law, because, unfortunately, the traditional political people see the entrepreneur as a villainess. And that explain one of the bad causes for industrial development in Brasil. I hope I could help bring more information about this theme. Thank you. And if you need more information, I ll have to assist with.
Doubtful. He surely doesn't have the support of the high ranks and last time a president threatened breaking military hierarchy we had the 1964 coup against them
Banning pesticides and hormones is OK. GMOs however must be legalized in yhe EU. But yhe Amazon is sacrosanct. Until the entire Amazon is declared one giant untouchable nature reserve, Brazil should be subjected to the same economic sanctions as IRAN!
So you want those people to remain poor forever? It's an unrealistic delusion to think that's fair or going to happen. You have to come up with a better solution.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Poor forever? What are you talking about? What, Brazilians cant develop economically in the rest of brazil? It s huge country even when you exclude the amazon. Plenty of space left. What are you, naive? You think destroying the forest is necessary for the subsistence of cow farmers? It s necessary for existing farmers and great corporations to become much more wealthy. Destroying the amazon is about greed NOT subsistence.
@@RoScFan you just keep telling yourself that while not understanding anything of Brazil, how it's government works or how economics in general works. if you want them to stay out of the amazon rainforrest you have to make them an offer of compensation (that being in the billions if not trillions) while also offering a government solution to give them more alternatives. I love to hear your ideas but unless you imagine invading the country, overthrowing it's government, creating a huge reservation zone where no humans are allowed in and basically enslave the population to be idk serfs who aren't allowed to move off their little plot of land while working the fields or something then I doubt it's going give any long term solution.
@@trthib most people in the EU don't even know GMO's are banned in the EU and it's mostly a policy that's been enforced since the 90s that's never been changed because of course it's not, it's the EU. perhaps in the future that might change but right now very unlikely, not because of any actual scientific or economic reason, it's just government policy that nobody cares about to protest for or vote over, so they don't care.
I don't get how EU will benefit with open everything to Mercosul or Asia? Ok,with the tropical products,some meat,mineral,etc...But it should be refused for industrial products,non tropical foods because we have much in EU. UE workers need more jobs,because this huge migrations to Europe will continue,day by day,Brazilians included.If the Economists deal well,will be ok for all,if not....😒
A BIG *THANK YOU* for the amount of work and research you're putting in these videos!
It was a wish of mine to make a channel similar to yours for Europe (to match the same quality of Vox, Bloomberg, or Quartz), and seeing you make it happen really gives me a lot of joy and hope. I wish you growth and success in your passion! 🙌🏻
You don't want to be as poorly made or biased as Vox or Bloomberg, it's not bad but it's also not perfect, I find Caspian Report to be far more accurate
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Well, they are sponsored by big names so of course they will be biased (they weren't like that in the beginning). But about being poorly made I will have to disagree with you, as Vox's visual graphics is outstanding in my opinion, and I've been looking at Cheddar, Quartz, Bloomberg, and others for years. Vox is still at the top.
@@am_that_guy I've seen Vox a few times and it's all bias, spin and bullshit, if you want to say it's good because of pretty colors and some special effects then even that is medicore in my opinion but to each his own I suppose.
still does not make it good Journalism, in fact it's in my top 10 of least trustworthy channels out there.
last time they did any good reporting was with the Azov Batalion that everyone on the left was ignoring for some reason, think that was 2016 or something, even then it was only impressive because everyone else did not even mention it.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 every news station is baised m8
@@oo--7714 Caspian Report seems pretty unbiased, most unbiased news is independent.
I would rather trust Stxyhexxenhammer666 than CNN or Fox news.
Portugal - agriculture only accounts for 2.4% of the economic output. Most of the economy is based on services followed by manufacturing, hence, that’s why Portugal is not worried about opening the agricultural market to South America. French farmers have a big problem with it!
Most developed nations have small farm sectors relative to the size of their economy but farmers do command disportionate economic clout
@@laMoria Ok.... just buy french food and let the rest of europeans DECIDE the origen of the food they want to eat.
@@laMoria If they cant get he wage they want, they just should quit their job. Whats the problem to import food?
@@nicholasd9435 "They should just quit their job" is not a viable argument. You can't tell hundreds of thousands of people to "just quit their job" and claim it's a good policy. You need to provide social assistance in some form, otherwise you create regions of ruins like in the rust belt in the US.
At the same time, I'm very skeptical when it comes to the criticism concerning pesticides used in other countries, especially, if the people there are largely fine.
Ex.:
When TTIP was going to happen (US-EU trade agreement), people in Europe were protesting with signs (saw them where I live in Germany) claiming "we don't want chlorine food" because it was allowed to disinfect chicken meat by dumping it in chlorine in the US.
I was lucky enough to spend some time in the US, while the agreement was debated. Many republicans loved the free trade aspect of it but certain democrats were scared about the "low food and health standards existing in Europe". Specifically, they were scared about chickens in the EU being fed antibiotics, which results in a loss of effectiveness of antibiotics in humans after eating too much treated chicken. They preferred chicken being dumped in chlorine. They saw the exact opposite method, their own policy, as the better one. Meanwhile, I have yet to hear about negative effects from eating chicken treated with chlorine.
To be honest, this example clarifies, that people (here the Europeans) overestimate their own countries food and safety standards or underestimate those of others. Both in Europe and the US, I haven't heard of anybody dying because of chicken they ate, if it wasn't too old, while being conform to the local health and safety standards of the country. Most of the "bad standards" are a publicly held belief caused by a mediatisation of the issue.
The strongest argument against the agreement therefore doesn't concern pesticides but the environmental damages induced by the economic growth and the violation of indigenous people's rights.
@@laMoria well then stop pushing for deals with your ex-colonies, morocco alone has FLOODED the market with pesticide-full vegetables and it's FRANCE that keeps protecting it.
Small correction on Mercpsur countries:
Venezuela is technicaly a full member but had its membership suspended due to human rights violations. Bolivia is also already accepted as full member and is being transitioned into full membership.
Uruguay, Paraguay and Argentina: Spain why don't you play with us?
Spain: France don't like you :(
Deberíamos mandarlos a freír espárragos y hacer las uniones con vosotros
@@alfhniuresd And Argentina is just dead weight
France seem to be very protectionist, if they didn't prevent the US trade deal from working maybe brexit would not of happened
@@alfhniuresd Soy de España quedaba evidente en el comentario, y de qué hablas xd, quiero mucho a hispanoamérica pero ni loco
@@Swift-mr5zi not protectionist, just colonialist. The trade deals france has pushed to EU are all with its ex-colonies, which it tries to economically tie through visa and business elements. For france any trade with non-ex-french countries is competition to its own deals.
Great video! Didn't know about the EU-Mercosur deal even though I am an EU citizen. Your videos are truly professional, only weird thing I noticed was that the "winner & loser" "stamps" considering agriculture were lower-resolution compared to the video ;)
Best EU content on TH-cam! I’m seeing really great improvements on your channel lately
As with any trade deals their will always be a sector that will win and lose out. I still think this deal will be a huge benefit to all and continue to show the strength of the EU on the international stage.
The main thing I wouldn't accept is lowing food standards, this is currently happening in the UK whom is trying to have a trade deal with Australia.
As seen in this video, this trade deal will ONLY benefit the great agriculture signs in South America (Most of them foreigner european companies or big land owners). Not to mention that it will probably fuel deforestation, the over use of toxic pesticides and it'll cost South America most of his own industry (Which is very weakened)
No matter how you put it, this deal will cost South America his development and enviroment just to make rich an small porcentage of the population, who will probably take the money out of the region. As they did, always...
I think Mercosur should definitely not make this agreement with Europe as it only benefits European large manufacturers and it would completely destroy local industry, while Europe would probably just subsidize their agriculture to outcompete Latin America. A FTA with the UK is more beneficial because the UK has a more complementary economy with Mercosur or Australia.
@@FOLIPE but Argentina would never accept such deal with United Kingdom. Not if the Malvinas Islands problem is still alive. All the South Latin American countries support Argentina. It is no easy matter...
@@ricardogoncalves5351 I don't think they'd mind, as long as the deal protects some of their industry, and the UK is not an industrial economy so they should be fine with that
@@ricardogoncalves5351 I am Argentine, the issue of the Falkland islands is only social, in general the rest of the world supports us, but it is a secondary issue if we want to ally ourselves with the European countries and improve our economy.
There is huge hypocrisy in Europe (farmer's son from Europe here), wanting to be all environmentally friendly, non-GMO, few pesticides, few fertilizer and then this ._.
Why does Europe so obsessed with being anti-GMO?
@@glif1360 Because it's unethical
@@glif1360 it's a policy from the 90s that's outdated as hell, when GMO'S first came into the market it was uncertain how safe they were and for what purpose they would be used, also certain lawsuits could be made if GMO crops got pulinated by non-gmo crops so to not have to deal with the legal complications which in Europe are much more complicated than the US they simply banned GMO's and never changed that policy, though it has loosened it's policies on GMO crops being used in food products like Soy and what not.
Alph 52 How is GMO unethical?
@@tuurelindstrom1238 The company owning the seeds removing any kind of farmer independence for example.
It's a good sign when a seven-minute video leaves you yearning for more.
Great video. Thanks again. As a Norwegian it is very valuable to get reporting like this about these big important EU policies and deals that are not covered by our national media.
Europeans don t care about Europe, we like to pretend we re closer to absurdly different cultures than to each other, we ve been starting to pay dearly for those delusions and for treating neighbors as if they re a distant island 😐
@@jh5kl So true.
@@joaov.m.oliveira9903 Viva PT EU 🙂👍💪
@@jh5kl ???
High quality content. This channel needs more subs.
Amazing content!
Honestly, I'm Argentinian and sympathize with France and Ireland. I actually would prefer for Argentina's manufacturing industry to develop more instead of becoming dependent on European manufactured goods. But maybe that's shortsighted, I'm not good at economics.
That last sentence goes well with your country
@@Aetherguy-cb9bu Argentina - South America's flip flops
Brazilian here. I'm not good at Economics either.
=D
I heard the problem with manufacturing in Argentina (and South America in general) is that we're way too far from supply chains that could bring a comparative advantage for most industries to establish here in the long run. If we want an industry-based growth, products must be interesting for buyers worldwide not just inside the continent. We also have issues pertaining to increasing exchange rates affecting our imports, which brings inflation, and low or periodical demand for certain products of manufacturing that are better off bought from China.
@@joaov.m.oliveira9903 Yeah, the question is if we're better off with the deal.
Es que tenés razón. Hay que industralizar
Wow - great in depth explanation of this. This is miles better than reports I’ve seen on this…
I think that this is one of the more comprehensive videos I have seen on the topic.
Thank you for your work.
I'm not crazy about that deal but it's interesting to see its ups and downs.
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Long live the EU from Portugal! Poland is a beautiful country.
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As a Brazilian I oppose this deal. It's not just European farmers that will be harmed. My state has more cattle than people and beef prices here have skyrocketed thanks to the devaluation of our currency, so all the meat, especially premium cuts get exported to China and the EU, so most Brazilians cannot afford beef and even poultry anymore. The media has been telling us, one of the largest producers of beef, pork and poultry in the world, to eat eggs as a source of protein. Not to mention that our forests and savannahs are being destroyed by soy plantations.
There are many issues:
1. Our agriculture would not gain as in day one europeans would use environmental clauses and subsidies to limit Brazilian exports there, so the gain would be much more limited than it seems at first glance.
2. Their industry would flood our markets and bankrupt our industries. Worse, since most industrial companies here are actually foreign subsidiaries we can't even talk of true competition - factories would simply move their manufacturing back to their home countries in Germany, France, Holland etc.
3. This agreement is bad for the environment in Brazil and in fact was only agreed after Bolsonaro went into power because he wanted a political win and so out of desperation he agreed with all EU demands. Other countries in Mercosul aren't that desperate so it might well break the block apart.
It's basically a win-win where Europe wins twice.
Same in Paraguay
It's not a good deal for mercosur. As a Paraguayan i'm glad that it didn't advanced
Sure. Me too from Brazil.
This. It would have been the final nail in the coffin for Argentina. We need to solve our political issues (aka get rid of the left) and rebuild our economy before doing a trade deal with the euros.
Great video! Very well summed up
In Northern Germany, we have a saying: "Why does the farmer wear rubber boots? Because shoelaces are not subsidized." Most farmers here are heavily relying on European or national subsidizing for their profits, while they cry for help, when they make losses due to bad weather. I can't stand these people.
Romanian farmers will lose so much
Actually, yes I dont think it s fair that part about pesticides etc and all regulamentations an European has to follow. Mercosur s countries should adopt at least the same agricultural politicies first.
Agreed it was the same with the US deal, that luckily fell. We would lower our food standards and animal welfare in order to buy cheaper meat of Lower quality from America.
We have to have standards when making deals
The thing is the EU has billions in agricultural subsidies. I think no agreement should be reached while that continues. Mercosul only stands to lose whatever industry it still has while Europe will keep their subsides and other health and weather related barriers to agricultural trade.
We should also legalize GMOs.
The main partner of South American nations is China. If the EU doesn't buy, China will. That's the problem: by having regulations, the EU becomes unappealing.
@@Joleyn-Joy A market is never unappealing. What they are doing is trading food standards for the destruction of South American industry.
Europe should focus on what it is good at, using the taxpayer's money to subsidize food production is a complete lack of respect for the taxes we pay.
We pay more for food and still go up, because it will be bad for some farmers who are friends with the government?
European Union: We love free market! You should do that too! Open up! 😇
Mercosur: OK then, the only thing we produce is agricultural goods. We are underdeveloped, you know? You can sell me whatever you want and we sell you what we got, this farm stuff. We are actually good at it 😊
EU: How dare you! 😡
Salty spaniard?
@@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926 If i was Spanish i would have wrote the opposite. Ignorant much?
Besides, i don't give a damn.
@@diezgp ahhh so salty Brazilian it is
@@countbinfaceglobalpresiden7926 how does it feel to fail every single time?
@@diezgp the same way you feel when you fail on your original comment
La postura de Francia es totalmente hipócrita y exige a Sudamérica estándares que ellos mismos no se aplican. Esperemos que por el bien de todos el acuerdo salga adelante, eliminando las cláusulas abusivas y humillantes que Francia se empeña en imponer. Un saludo desde España a nuestros hermanos iberoamericanos.
The deal was almost closed in 2019, but change of goverments delayed everything and now because of Covid, it doen´t seem to have a bright future. Maybe in 20 more years!
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Some European farmers will lose. Dutch farmers receive a fraction of the subsidies and have the cheapest food costs I’ve ever seen in a developed country
How does that work tho?
@@thorH. technology and productivity. The Dutch are the second largest agricultural exporters in Europe and there farms look like nothing I’ve ever seen. Lots of greenhouses, drones, less pesticides. The even more impressive part is that it’s not dominated by giant Agro companies either.
@@thorH.
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@@steffenberr6760 the dutch are the second largest exporters in the world, but thats in value obviously. Kinda amazing for such a small country
@@thorH. Quite simple: Leave no room to nostalgia. Just build big farms and innovate and have ever tightening environmental and animal rights standards. We also have had a price war (the 2003-2007 supermarktoorlog) among mainstream supermarkets. Whereas the German low budget supermarkets looked at their logistics to cut spending, (Ahold godfather) Albert Heijn decided instead to find the limits of Dutch child labour law, but also to demand lower prices from farmers. Farmers are still not too happy about that (farmer suicide is a serious issue while we used to have big farmer protests the last two years), but this made them way more efficient.
I hope after all the troubles in America we'll be able to be United and finally do our own union with the Peso Latinoaméricano as currency with free trade agreements, free transit on the continent and basing the currency on the continent's resources and making the continent stronger
From Portugal, I think the deal should be made
Not only my country will benefit the most from this because of being closer, already having a submarine internet cable to south america and having Brazil, the biggest power in South America speaking portuguese, but it will also made our farmers realize that they need to change
Our farmers spend shit tons of water for exemple, wich causes droughts in our rivers and due to more spent of money in water makes our agricultural output more expensive. With this deal they will be forced to use new techniques already being used in countries such as Isreal, Netherlands, China etc, wich in my vew, will benefit us.
I only have 2 concerns about it. Consuming more south american food wich uses a lot of pesticides and fertelizers will be hypocrit, so either south americans stop using it or european farmers will have to use pesticides to. Wich is, at the best words, not enviromentaly friendly. The other is with the amazon rainforest, it is already passing trought a huge deforestation crisis, if the europeans start to consume products from there more than they already do they amazonia has no hope.
I think that as long as south american countries increase their enviromental regulations, the deal will still benefit both of them
It's bad for Brazil, it's good for Portugal (as long as y'all are fine with receiving millions of economic refugees in the future) because Brazil would become like Angola, but for Brazil that's sliding backwards.
@@FOLIPE How exacly opening to New Markets is bad for Brazil?
@@joaquimbarbosa896 It's not opening new markets, it's destroying any chance of developing the local manufacturing sector while giving a glimpse of opening Europe a little to our agro exports without any guarantee Europe will cut subsidies to their agro sector. Regardless, it is an agreement that favors de-industrialization of the economies in South America, which means less jobs and lower incomes, more inequality and social problems. That's bad all over.
@@FOLIPE So let me see
You are saying that, a trade deal about industry with Europe will de-industrialize Europe?
Why? Why would an investor chose a european country to build a factory when they can do the same in Brazil for exemple, where the labor is cheaper and its closer to mineral resources. With the deal it would be much easear to export to Europe
So there is no chance that the deal will de-industrialize South america. At the best it will de-industrilize Europe.
@@joaquimbarbosa896 No, de-industrialize South America. The investors will choose to build manufacturing in Europe because (1) it's already there, (2) the European market is larger and has a bigger scale, (3) the companies have sensitive technology they don't want to use overseas if not necessary, (4) the companies are mostly european anyway, they are under political and economic pressure to bring jobs back home etc. That's what is happening for example with some car manufacturing after the Japan deal, they are just bringing manufacture back to Japan and planing on exporting it to Europe and the UK.
Maybe South America will benefit a little from delocalization, like India and the Philippines, but this deal is made specifically so South America becomes a commodity supplier and not to allow it to move up in the value chain. Possibly even orange juice will be made in Europe and re-exported
If we want the European union to become stronger, we must stop seeing benefits or harms separately by countries and start seeing them as a benefit for the whole union. So we're not going anywhere. If it benefits Germany, Portugal, Spain, it benefits all of Europe. If it hurts France and Belgium, it hurts the whole of Europe. the solution is to see what the greatest long-term benefit to the union really is. And whether we want to be a player in the world or just a bunch of countries with wars and hatreds that get us nowhere.
Most friction in the union comes when it benefits one country but damages the other. What do you do then? Case and point pulsfishing (netherlands vs france). One sidr claims its better for the environment one worse
@@robertjonker8131
you are thinking about countries again. What benefits the union most?! Protectionism is not the answer.
@@brunorebelo6879 im talking about countries in the EU.
@@robertjonker8131
We need to start looking at everything as a whole, there must be competition, but also solidarity. If we have different views and rules within the union, further fragmentation is inevitable. First there has to be Europe.
@@brunorebelo6879 oh sorry misread your comment. Yeah i agree, i find it ridiculous that about a third of EU money, 60 billion euro's goes to the agricultural sector which is only 0,5% of our gdp. We could use that money way more in the digital economy and things like Ai, semiconductors, battery tech or any other future industry which has a chance to grow our economy. The lobbying against this seems to stem from corruption in the EU.
Europe's food security isn't worth risking. Mercosur would need to agree to follow EU agricultural standards as well before this deal should go through.
I am South American and what agricultural standards you refer to the ecologist dictatorship promoted by the European Union we are not at the economic level of Europe but I believe that the European Parliament should know better respect south America because as soon as they do business with the two parties respecting each other and not with one of the parties on a throne demanding that the other party humble itself so that the agreement is concluded
That's why they took 20 years to make the deal. Besides, Europe must loosen it's grip if it wants to take on china. China doesn't care for democracy or whatever and they'll eventually win because of their lack of regulations when it comes to international relations.
No. This stupid. You know nothing about it. First, you do realize Mercosur already follow a very strict environmental regulation, that it polutes incomparably less than Europe per capita, and that Brazil has a different weather, flora, agriculture, bacteria and therefore plant diseases than say, France, don't you?
Please stop spreading misinformation for God's sake. The environmental risks to the agreement are being studied for more than 20 years by specialists who were paid to study that at a very serious level. Why are you talking about this issue as though you knew something?
This is the worst possible deal for South America.
I even didn't know about this deal
I'm not happy about the fact we'll make our agricultural sector rely that much on non european countries and let them use their own regulation on food quality. Also, if you do that, you have to subsidize european farmers. You can't just kill their activity and let them with nothing, you have to give compensations - which will also negate their opposition to the deal and isn't a loss considering the benefits from the deal.
The subsidies are exactly why Mercosur shouldn't agree with it. Europe will simply subsidize their farmers to beat more competitive south American agriculture while exporting all their manufactured goods. This is only good for Europe.
That's exactly the same reason why Latin American countries have been protectionist, by fear of having their industries dying, and as stated in the video that's the exact reason why both are trying to change. It's called global capitalism. I don't agree with it, but it's how it works.
The same in Brazil, Europe has a stronger industry in general, opening our markets will make our country even more of an agroexporter and NOTHING more… I wish to see Brazil industrialize and be the powerhouse it can be… not just the place where chine and Europe plant their soybeans… which are the reason some f*ckers are burning the forests, to plant soybeans…
@@ryankahler2034 in certain aspects I agree. But Brazil already has a snall number of good industries. I think a bigger issue than international competition is really the bureaucracy in Brazil and the public policies which make harder for Brazilian companies to expand internationally.
I haven't read the deal, but if includes some options for the export of industrial products from Mercosur too it might bring some benefits due to easier export and added international competition.
But, realistically speaking, the deal will most likely be canceled when (probably at this point) a new president is elected in Brazil or because of opposition of some EU countries.
@@gabrielbrunoparreira5670 Brazil has less and less good industries today because the country decided to de-industrialize in the 90s and unfortunately this deal is another nail in the coffin of the possibility of a developed Brazil. We used to make cars, planes, trains, ships and machines...now, after senseless liberalization there's not even a Brazilian company that makes TV sets anymore. Unfortunately Brazil gave up having an industrial policy, and that's like going to a fight where everyone is taking guns just with your fist. You might throw a few punches but you're also going to die.
As a Brazilian I think this deal is a shit. Only a small number of farmers will get money but it will destroy the remaining of Brazilian and Argentine industry. Brazil deindustrialized more fast than Europe and the last thing it needs is competition. Brazil needs to reindustrialize first and then make a deal.
I totally agree, of course a lot of politicians are backed by ruralist money so they will keep pushing this agenda without any regard for or other sectors of economy
Bs, because such a deal will of course help Brazil attract more companies from Europe to build plants in their country, as the market is opening up.
There will be some losers for fire, but economically speaking most countries should be benefited by this deal
I am in favour of this deal only if food and environmental policies in South America improve and comply with European quality standards. Free trade between both regions can be beneficial, but the EU must make sure that any imported food comply with our strict regulations.
... Have you studied the issue already?
So, get rid of our few competitive advantages (like the use of gmos) and also let you obliterate our industries? A win win for you and a shitty deal for us
Ok, Now you are doomed to starve or make the deal anyway 😗☕
Great great improvement in visual elements!!! I love your channel!!!
I love the style of the visuals, and although the great background sounds and music choices more and more.
Greetings from Berlin my friend
Brilliant video as ever!
Really appreciate this video.
Does a great job at not only explaining the deal and it's consequences, but also explaining which sector in which countries are for or against it and especially giving reasons on why that is, within a 7 minute runtime.
There's definitely things that are being left out or being oversimplified, but by having the sources in your description, this video gives plenty of a great jumping off points if one is more interested in the specifics.
What I'm saying; really great work!
What Brazil does inside Brazil is a question of national sovereignty
Mostly agreed, though there are issues that cannot simply be left at that, such as with the Amazon which affects more than just Brazil, or River systems that Flow through multiple countries, and examples like that.
Again though, mostly agreed
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 then it would be actions taken by Peruvians, the ones which can affect the Amazon as the Andes are in Perú.
Who's sovereign over the atmosphere and the climate?
But Brazil should not give up on its sovereignty claiming it is its sovereign right to be an European colony. This agreement is giving up our sovereignty
@@FOLIPE Yeah, opening the country to be industrially dependent more than it already is. It's an invitation to geopolitical disaster.
An argentinian here, our automovil manufacturing sector its competitive also we are competitive at software development belive it or not. This is not the case for the textil and hardware industries (Huge protecionism) This must stop an the only way is to put them to compete with Europe.
Hi, a German here.
Competition on level playing field is llways good - at least in my opinion.
@@julonkrutor4649 I agree with you, on the industries ive mention before there are good labor conditions. However iam not totally aware if its the case for the brasilian agricultural sector. At least thats in part what France says to avoid competing and protect their farmers
They are competitive within Mercosur, until you sign a trade deal with the EU and all the factories in Argentina move back to their home country (they are all subsidiaries of foreign companies) and start to export back tariff free. Argentina and Brazil for that matter have not modernized their economy so opening up like that when we depend on foreign companies for jobs and don't have home grown capital or technology will lead to devastation on a huge scale.
@@FOLIPE The opening will take decades, to avoid what you call a disaster. Argentina today its really cheap for investors the cost of high and low quality employees its cheaper than ever before. The Software indutries compete with the world today not only with mercosur, the automovil hub in argentina its strong. Dont know where are you from (if youre argentinian you will understand) but Tierra del fuego hardaware industries will disapear in the long or short term. Its is not a sustainable proyect they only survive due to taxpayers money and FMI loans. The EU trade deal will save us billions.
@@facundoposleman1060 I'm from Brazil. The problem is that those industries and hubs will disappear if you open up for Europe without having local companies. The time it will take will only guarantee the local subsidiaries will use their current fixed capital until its completely worthless, they'll not make new investments when they can just import stuff from their headquarters with a much larger scale in Europe, slowly, during the course of that period. Opening by itself doesn't make our industries more competitive, it will just kill all the ones which are less competitive than Europe leaving us with our specialty: being poor and doing stuff that pays poorly, like agriculture. Industrial jobs and manufacturing will only move back to Europe. There's a small hope for sectors that rely on delocalization for highly qualified and low cost labor (like as you mentioned software development) but that alone can't sustain a large country's economy. We'll just become like India (a small highly globalized segment which provides low cost services to European economies and a huge poor population which is useless). Also depending on delocalization guarantees you can never catch up to Europe economically, not even Portugal or Spain, as if you do then your cost is comparable to them and they'll just move the jobs back home - so the ceiling is pretty low. It would be reasonably fine for Uruguay, but Argentina and Brazil would suffer greatly, particularly Brazil where most people are not that educated.
This chanel is so amazing, unfortunately there isn´t many people talking about this agreement in EU or in Mercosur besides some corporations and gov. officials. Me as brazilian with portuguese decent hope that one day this deal will be finnaly in force. For many years Mercosur, and therefore Brazil, was a very closed organization, we opened to 3 countries and closed to the rest of the world. This was the first biggest step made by mercosur, and furthermore all the facts talked in the video, a peronist argentine president also plays an special role in this conflict. Sorry for my fool english folks, i´m still learning it.
God forbid! Signing that deal is giving up on Brazil being a decent country, and allowing the country to become a giant Mato Grosso but with 200m people, which means a lot of inequality and even worsening living conditions for most.
Eca! Sai mano...
Além de eles estarem precisando muito desse acordo não abrem mão do orgulho, querem sair vencendo em um acordo que por si só já mataria metade das nossas industrias.
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Small correction: the Argentinian president is no longer the one shown at the start of the video.
Neither is the Uruguayan
No country ever has fully developed as an agricultural giant. If Latin American countries wanted to reach a higher development status, they need to diversify their economies and stop relying on agriculture. Crops make money but a diverse economy with multiple manufacturing jobs would enrich Latin American nations faster and more efficiently.
Regardless, since the deal is already going to happen anyways, they might as well utilize the funds from European trade deals to develop other sectors of their societies rather than focus solely on agriculture. They also should work with their surrounding neighbors to help each other develop based on the resources each offer. Maybe Argentina could focus on energy exports ie. green energy and nuclear power (even though this one is in decline), while Brazil focuses on textiles, automotive industries, etc. I guess my worry is these countries are going to be dependent on agriculture. Is this an unfair assessment?
Yes, more or less. Argentina already sells Brazil a part of its energy production just like Uruguay. And Brazil is (of all major coutries in the world today) the one that has the largest proportion of its energy supplied by renewables. Some renewable sources in Brazil are doubling size annually, like solar and wind. Green energy is definetely not a problem for Argentina AND Brazil, in my opinion. Also, ethanol is a large source of fuel in Brazil, which makes cars in this country considerably less poluting than the average American, Chinese or European automobiles.
Also, agricultural products are NOT Brazil's main economic sector, it's waaaaaaaay behind in terms of overall importance. Other commodities come first including iron ores, crude oil. Also, Brazil is an average car manufacturer still. It produces airplanes, helicopters, and a hell other non-agricultural stuff.
Very fair assessment.
Competition is good for both sides. Hopefully, they clear their differences and this goes through.
Equal competition is good, this deal would only cement a new colonial economy in South America. South America needs to develop first and only then enter global FTAs with advanced economies that don't protect its industry. South Korea and Japan are the model, not Chile
Con los gobiernos corruptos de latinoamerica en serio crees que latinoamerica se debe desarrollar primero para entrar al comercio internacional? Yo nos vendieron esas mentiras proteccionistas por décadas, dejemos de cerrarnos a la innovación.
@@FOLIPE Well considering Chile is one of the most succesful countries in South America they are the model. Japan and South Korea had Uncle Sam. And how are we supposed to develop huh?
@@agustinbenavente4830 We are supposed to develop like we did between 1950 and 1980, back when Brazil grew 7 percent annually for half a century. Chile is not a model of anything, it's poorer than Romania and hugely dependent on one commodity (copper). Will we also get one huge copper deposit for each 20 million people in Brazil? Besides, aiming for Chile is aiming for mediocrity. Geopolitics is always giving opportunities for countries to exploit just like Japan and S. Korea did.
@@FOLIPE MILAGRE ECONÔMICO DA DITADURA É UMA PINOIA, TODO ESSE PIB ERA GASTO DE OBRAS FARAONICAS
Your channel is so good!
This guy just doesn't miss
Bolsonaro is a shame for Brazil. But next year we will hold presidential elections and polls already show we'll certainly be gone (just like Trump)
Hopefully. And hopefully whoever is elected will scrap this deal
Yet, that doesn't mean the pressure on Brazil will end. It would come anyway, it was just a pleasent surprise for the Europeans that an idiot was in charge here.
@@Joleyn-Joy junta a fome com a vontade de comer.
@Pedro TDS Exato.
Let's hope you don't elect an inept old man like Biden.
Really precise and accurate great video
Strong video
The comments this time, are quite interesting…
I think I read somewhere that New Zealand got rid of a CAP-like scheme altogether some years ago, and far from affecting its economy, actually increased its agricultural output.
It also ruined the environment in New Zealand.
@@gebys4559 Thanks, I'll take a look
@@gruntymchunchy1527 What do you mean?
It's not only about economic and productivity output, if it affects climate and/or welfare of the workers, it is reason enough to take a second look before signing them off. Liberalization isn't always good.
@@cekan14 Water pollution increased massively.
"'Under serious threat': New Zealand vows to clean up its polluted waterways"
"New Zealand Waterways Fouled by Farm Runoff, Tourist Waste"
Is not fair competition if the mercosur doesnt have similar laws to EU laws, particular pesticides, respect for the environment, quality of the product, conditions of the workforce and minorities. No deal, by now.
Plus, i bet that agriculture and livestock in mercosur is not more efficiant and goos than EU, if it is is because they r4pe soil, people, animals, forests.
Their demographic issues are no one else's business - national, tribal and race relations aren't for the Western world to get some saviour or God complex over.
However the environmental issues very much are a different story, and it is scandalous to undermine European produce after all the regulatory & ethical effort put into shaping it to be a certain way.
The South American countries should have to conform to the same food standards.
It's not fair because the EU has billion dollar subsidies for its agriculture. This deal is simply to benefit EU industry and later on prevent Mercosur exports with health "concerns".
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 Just say no to the deal. Stop trying to export your standards, when Europe itself has anti-competitive subsidy policies
Yes, it's not fair that developed countries that already have stabilized economies, try to impose more regulations on emerging countries who had to deal with a lot more bullshit than they have from the very beggining of our existence. It's easy to talk about green deals when you spread miss information about fires (even tough the data shows it's not true) and you already destroyed most of your forests and developed your country to a level where this kind of polices are acceptable. Yeah, i totally agree that it's a no deal, let's talk more when Europe step out of the hyprocrite high ground and starts to negoatiate like serious countries.
How come more people aren't talking about this? This is important
I think it's because it won't get approved anyway
We already tried protecionism and protecting our local industries and that is not working. Things need to change and this treaty is exactly what we need. It's not perfect and it will harm our industrial capacity in the short term but it will befenit us in the long one.
We also tried complete and mindless economic liberalization, with you know what happened in the last 20y
Great video! Although i would be interested what effect it would have on french guyana or other european islands in the carribean?
@@economieliberale5189 I know it's france it's just like what kind of trade borders are now inforced between brazil and it and what would change
that would be really interesting!
Europe need to be honest, the real reason why this agreement is not approved yet is because country’s like France are bad capitalists and need protectionism, they don’t embrace liberalism completely, economic liberalism are growing fast in South America and sectors like agriculture has very low subsidies. Anyway China are hungry for SA products and have a larger market than Europe.
It isn't approved because of the European agrolobby. It is close to be approved because of the German industrial lobby. There's no such a thing as liberalism in Europe, there's only different interests trying to destroy South America using liberal ideology as the tool for South Americans to perpetuate suicide
and yet brazil is the most protective of everything. Pharmaceuticals for example, high tariffs, cars, high tariffs, wine, high tariffs, even olive oil that you dont produce, high tariffs.
@@schopen-hauer Yeah, Europe uses non-tarrif-based barriers to bar imports.
It is a very unfair agreement with Mercosur, which does not even include new energy vehicles, Europe that continues to pollute Mercosur, I hope this agreement is never signed
I wish EU passed laws to make their agriculture similiar to taht in the Netherlands.
Most countries cant simply compete with dutch farmers. Hell even most dutch farmers cant compete
Fuck that. Your fancy hyper efficient tomatoes taste like plastic. Romanian agriculture might be medieval but our local tomatoes taste like heaven. Keep your shitty Dutch agriculture.
@@RoScFan Mate, have you seen our climate? The fact that we can even grow tomatoes here is a massive achievement.
@@RoScFan if you get tomatoes that are cheap af and out of season then yes they are trash. But in session there great.
@@RoScFan I suspect that depends a lot on the variety. Some tomatoes taste amazing, some can travel long distances and can sit on supermarket shelves for many days.
'Bolsonaro is temporary.. his popularity is in free fall' This is not a fair statement to make, given the current situation. This is a common mistake of journalism which I feel shows a lack of understanding of politics and polls. First off, there are regularly polls showing Bolsonaro winning or nearly winning the next election. (twitter account AmericaElige regularly posts polls), his favourability is often shown around equal with his unfavourability. Second of all, even if he was relatively unpopular that doesn't mean he'll lose the next election (look at Trump or Macron). Third of all, just because he's unpopular now in the middle of his term doesn't mean he'll be unpopular when it comes to the election (Bill de Blasio in New York or the PQ in Quebec ~2005 are examples that come to mind, I'm sure there are better ones). Fourth of all, there is nothing to say his policies will be overturned, look at Trump, he had a load of unprecedented policies which never would've happened without him but now he's gone and they've been left alone. Not to mention if he rigs the election. Predicting the future is close to impossible and should only be done from a solid footing.
Hi!
Perhaps, that could have been formulated better, but that was not the point that was being made here. The point was about that regardless of Bolsonaro, opposition to the deal was likely to remain on ecological or protectionist grounds.
Thanks for the feedback though, will be more careful in the future with these statements in scripts in the future!
Cheers,
Hugo
@@IntoEurope Good on you, I will edit my comment to be less confrontational, sorry about that aspect of it.
No worries! I'm thankful people like you hold me to the high standard I want to achieve! :) (especially when the feedback is well constructed and constructive).
Cheers,
Hugo
It is quite true though, he is less popular than ever, his popularity is falling, and he is the least popular president for this time in his term. That said, it is true that things can change (for better or worse) until 2022, and his election results (defeat or victory) are far from certain.
I feel like it would better for the environment in general if europe focused on relying on domestic industries rather than importing beef from the other side of the world.
i feel that way to, the issue is that we cannot let ourselves isolate from the international scene, its now even more important than ever
This deal is overwhelmingly beneficial to Europe over South America. It will only cement the unequal relationship between the two where South America specializes in low value commodity exports and Europe on high value tech and manufacturing. It is the dream agreement for Europe and a nightmare for South America which is only going forward due to Bolsonaro being in the brazilian presidency. If South American countries wanted to completely give up any chance of developing and becoming decent countries, it would have been easier to just accept ALCA in the 90s..but hopefully the European agricultural lobby will buy enough time for Brazil to recover its senses and this deal with sink again
yeah but as a european, im disgusted to eat corpses from place i dont know, id rather eat whats grown here. Keep our food!
You are a little ignorant. Actually the food quality is better.
Thanks for reminding me that such a stupid trade deal was being negotiated...
I know it's said that money makes the world go round but the EU can't possibly partner up with Brazil / Bolsanaro... Absolute opposite ends of ethics and everything! 😱
Every countries or economics zone should produce and eat their own food. It's fucking stupid to spend time and energy just to sell fruits/vegetables off season. It's a non sense.
People are so use to eat cheap that they are willing to eat garbage.
I hope this deal will never happen.
Amazing how they got all the information about the Amazon fires e deforestation wrong. He should let us know where his information came from.
I thought the ALCA would be signed first but it seems Mercosur got closer to EU than to the USA.
Neither will happen any time soon
For Uruguay it is an excellent deal Uruguay has excellent agricultural products and raw materials, having total free trade agreements with countries like Japan
And thanks to the political, social and economic stability, in addition to its relative size
It is not a threat to anyone and a stable partner
But for some reason my country still wants to involve the rest of the nations of the continent, even though they are time bombs.
A and the lady of the Mercosur leaders, is not a president, is a former vice president
It's true, it's good for Uruguay as they are basically an agricultural exporter. But the reason why Uruguay still stays inside Mercosur is simple: the country they export the most to is China, second is Brazil, third is the US and fourth is Argentina. But I think Mercosur should just be disbanded or just be Brazil and Argentina at this point. Uruguay, particularly, would be better of just being agricultural exporters and importing manufactured goods.
@@FOLIPE Well .. no Argentina is no longer a big trading partner
China is the first with 31%
The EU with 18%
Brazil 12%
The latter is the one that is losing power and can be replaced by the USA by the 25th.
Our neighbors are not trustworthy and the best is as you say
@@Dante_-cg3fq No one is saying they are the best, but do notice that the EU isn't a country.
@@FOLIPE Sounds like Brittish logic.
@@TremereTT Not at all, because if you know something about the EU you will know that it is a political organization, when Mercosur is only commercial
What has done well in Brexit in general for the UK has been the economy, GDP and trade agreements
When everything bad about Brexit as separatism has no place in Uruguay (since there is no other culture other than the Uruguayan or separatist movements)
What hurt the British economy are the agricultural products resulting from the reorganization of the agreements, a problem that we do not have because we start from scratch when formalizing the agreements
If you paid attention to the video, you know that the EU is both a social and economic political government, Mercosur is only commercial.
Nice video,I never knew Europe was looking to get off CAP.will it really? The Agricultural lobby is too strong.
Nah dude, Europe has pretty good quality food, you don't wanna go compromising that.
I'm sure there's some bad actors in the agricultural lobby but that's a grossly reductionist way to characterise things.
The South American countries should adopt the European standards, then it'd be fair.
Countries should always maintain an agricultural capacity though, in case something major occurs.
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 maintaining standards is not the same as CAP which is large subsidies for landowners
@@corneliuscapitalinus845 Have you ever studied this ssue in depth?
Is this video from news and information of today, June 2021? or from before and only uploaded today?
It is from today!
Another free trade deal the UK is going to miss out on. There is no way the UK could negotiate the kind of deal on its own that the EU can....Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving....
I mean.... now they can't maybe but in the 20th century they made a deal with Argentine to only sell their beef to gp. Disaster for the Argentines but pretty sweet for gb back then.
15 years to completely open up...
That's sounds familiar
When I go to France I only see French wine on market shelves. Not even Italian or Spanish wine. Even though French wine is good, nobody can deny, that says something.
Go to the French-Spanish Borders u will see how the french farmers atack the spanish food tracks
@@nicholasd9435 wow!
@@AShiga he s making an inexistant movie out of it, and countries with hundreds of years tradition in wine, generally have more of their wine on the shelves
You'll find foreign wine in every fairly large grocery store in France. Of course french will prefer to drink something local rather than from a distant country.
You can't blame french to drink french wine, as much you can't blame an Argentinian to drink Argentinian wine.
I am Brazilian and it seems to me that this agreement will be very adventageous for my country
EU-Mercosur agreement have my full support🇧🇷🤝🇪🇺
I don't think it will. It likely will help de-industrialize our country
Bolivia will likely be joining Mercosur sometime soon too.
Hopefully as soon as Brazil get Bolsonaro out.
the current president of Brazil will likely lose to the former president who has already been imprisoned and is on the far left
There's no former Brazilian president who is in the far left. Fake news
@@FOLIPE just so to speak he is a social democrat
Do a video about Malta!!
He showed so many maps but none showed Kosovo - I'm mad
Maybe because Kosovo is not a member of the UN
@@dr.winner2516 no its because he used ©OpenStreetMap, the makers didn't mark Kosovo.
@@juozasuwu4537
Oh ok
The regulation has not weakened, quite the contrary the military has been operation in the amazon way more offten during j.bolsonaro presidency and have apprehended way more illigal goods (like wood, gold ect.). Also brazil has the strictest laws regarding the environment, what it needs is police force enforcing it.
You won't convince the Europeans with this sort of fake news. They have their own satellites and can monitor deforestation rates independently
Perhaps European farmers can grow NATO long-life food/emergency rations for the upcoming crisis in China when the CCP loses control over its economy. Keeping people fed will prevent the CCP from expending their dwindling fertile youth into a disastrous Falkland-style war meant only to distract the slaves from the xenophobic nation's failures. (I'm reminded of a scene in Charlton Heston's El Cid where the coalition forces catapult bread into a besieged city. They didn't want to vanquish, they wanted to remove corrupt leadership. Perhaps, I'm too romantic, but I'd rather prevent a more tragic outcome--Total War.)
Who wins: the European and South American citizens
Who loses: some farmers and corporatists
I say yes to the deal.
Lower quality of food effects everyone. Increased pressure on intensification of agriculture leads to environmental degradation = Everyone loses
Other losers: The amazon and the indigenous people living there.
Why should European farmers accept having to have played ball and moulded their industry and craft to conform to standards of health and quality, foregoing easier profits that would have come from pumping chemical shit Into the produce, only to be be tossed away as just some farmers and "corporatists" and have their many decades of work undermined by foreign farming that doesn't conform to those standards?
Get over this dopey urbanite fake revolutionary mindset where more consuming more shitty product is considered good and sticking it to the "corporatist" powers.
Who wins : corporatists and crazy liberal capitalist
Who lose : the European and South American citizens and some farmer.
Screw this trade deal,
Are you folks for real? Okay then, no competition, no lower taxes, no more affordable products. À votre guise SMH
Some European countries just want to continue their protectionist policy against Mercosur countries, and use any excuse to curtail imports from the area.
Its not against anyone. Its FOR europe. Europeans dont want to be dependant from anyone else foodwise.
@@popkhorne5372 it's against South America, of course.
Well said, which is why Mercosur shouldn't accept this deal. It simply gives Europe what they want and allows them to later alter their small negotiated concessions claiming health and environmental concerns.
@@FOLIPE and why would it be ? The european agricultural project has always been done in order to be independant food wise.
@@FOLIPE both sides have to maka concessions for the trade deal to go ahead. If both receive better access to the other msrket. It will be good for both and create thousands of jobs
fuck that deal products produced in the eu should be held to the same standards as product coming in the eu
we speak portuguese in brasil!
ECO activism - Runining economies since 1969
Pretty much yeah and often times hurting their own causes, many of them being against nuclear energy, planting windmiles that cost a lot, kill local animals like birds and still not meet their co2 reduction quota's.
You know the saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
And yet we need it.
@@tuurelindstrom1238 No, we really don't
Don't fancy clean drinking water, eh?
@@tuurelindstrom1238 I do, but there was plenty of it even before eco activists. But, I'll grant you, clean water is a fair point.
However, things like banning hydroplants, banning deforestation and religious climate activism are all dumb causes in my opinion.
Mercado comum do Sul* in the mercusol most spoken language Brazilian Portuguese
Idk. If Lula de Silva is re-elected in Brazil. Breaking protectionism and supporting free trade is something I don't expect him to do. (Maybe)
He is an old lefty. Government interventionism and protection of industries is what I expect him to do.
EU will need a Brazilian Neo-Liberal president to ensure the deal goes smoothly.
Lula literally did jail time for corruption, why would the Brazilian people elect such an idiot? It's also not in western Europe's favor.
The best case situation would be for Bolsonaro to compremise to the EU-Mer deal or find someone within his own party or opposition to try and help elect, Lula is a joke in my view but some nations seem to like being seen as jokes I think, same in western Europe.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Ummm. He was released because the Judge said the charges were not enough to convict him.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 shut up, Lula was Brazil best president ever.
@@johnpijano4786 and you believed them? wow talk about out of touch and naive.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 The people of Brazil sure do believe in Lula.
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Awesome video. Basically, Bolsonaro's ecocidal policies served as a scapegoat to France's internal opposition to the deal. And some good news though, the Antiminister of Environment was thrown out of the government today, as he faces several charges in the Supreme Court for corruption and involvement with illegal logging operations in the Amazon rainforest. Maybe someone even worse will come to take his hole, but for now, we're cheering.
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Please, if you could, research more about environment protection or the true about conservation of Amazon. I am Brazilian and I can see here the false narrative about increased fire in Amazon due to leftist and all tradicional political interests, and that's what is exported. All dry years has more fire in Amazon, unfortunately. And that is what happened last year. If you see the fire data through the years, it I'll be clear. Brasil is consern about Amazon and we have one of the most strong and burocratic laws in that sector. The expansion of agriculture occurs almost entirely at the south states of Brasil, as you can see in more research. Also, the agricultural is one of the few sectors here that we saw technical and cientific research development. And the Brasil labor in is extremely protect by the law, because, unfortunately, the traditional political people see the entrepreneur as a villainess. And that explain one of the bad causes for industrial development in Brasil. I hope I could help bring more information about this theme. Thank you. And if you need more information, I ll have to assist with.
Venezuela belongs to Mercosur also.
I don't see bolsonaro leaving... He's got the military.
Doubtful. He surely doesn't have the support of the high ranks and last time a president threatened breaking military hierarchy we had the 1964 coup against them
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Banning pesticides and hormones is OK. GMOs however must be legalized in yhe EU. But yhe Amazon is sacrosanct. Until the entire Amazon is declared one giant untouchable nature reserve, Brazil should be subjected to the same economic sanctions as IRAN!
So you want those people to remain poor forever? It's an unrealistic delusion to think that's fair or going to happen.
You have to come up with a better solution.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Poor forever? What are you talking about? What, Brazilians cant develop economically in the rest of brazil? It s huge country even when you exclude the amazon. Plenty of space left. What are you, naive? You think destroying the forest is necessary for the subsistence of cow farmers? It s necessary for existing farmers and great corporations to become much more wealthy. Destroying the amazon is about greed NOT subsistence.
And why "GMOs (...) must be legalized in the EU" ? Very curious to know since probably nobody here wants them to be ?!
@@RoScFan you just keep telling yourself that while not understanding anything of Brazil, how it's government works or how economics in general works.
if you want them to stay out of the amazon rainforrest you have to make them an offer of compensation (that being in the billions if not trillions) while also offering a government solution to give them more alternatives.
I love to hear your ideas but unless you imagine invading the country, overthrowing it's government, creating a huge reservation zone where no humans are allowed in and basically enslave the population to be idk serfs who aren't allowed to move off their little plot of land while working the fields or something then I doubt it's going give any long term solution.
@@trthib most people in the EU don't even know GMO's are banned in the EU and it's mostly a policy that's been enforced since the 90s that's never been changed because of course it's not, it's the EU.
perhaps in the future that might change but right now very unlikely, not because of any actual scientific or economic reason, it's just government policy that nobody cares about to protest for or vote over, so they don't care.
I don't get how EU will benefit with open everything to Mercosul or Asia? Ok,with the tropical products,some meat,mineral,etc...But it should be refused for industrial products,non tropical foods because we have much in EU.
UE workers need more jobs,because this huge migrations to Europe will continue,day by day,Brazilians included.If the Economists deal well,will be ok for all,if not....😒
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I am so happy that Bolsonaro the biggest genocide is not the Brazilian president anymore. I do hope he goes to jail.