Are The Gen 3 Joola's Starting to Core Crush? & New PaddleTeks Are Awesome
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:08 - Forehand Dink Lesson
5:30 - Gamma library ball
9:21 - New Paddletek Paddles Are Sick
22:16 - Hudef Viva Gen 3
22:54 - 11six24 Kevlar Paddle
30:46 - The Vatic Oni Review
43:39 - Are the Gen 3 Joola’s starting to core crush?
57:54 - The importance of stretching in Pickleball
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On the plus side the grit on the gen 3's are lasting the lifetime of the paddle.
🤣🤣🤣 Well played!
Behind Will APPEARS to be his new Six Zero paddle that has yet to be released... Looking forward to it dropping!
Good eye!
@@lobstrain I have had the privilege of holding said paddle. Can hardly wait for its release. Six Zero has a few other surprises incoming as well ;)
@@Jinxman729when?
Is it a real paddle or more of this edgeless non-sense?
@@scottrdunn When are they coming or when did I hold it?
Gen1: “we added carbon fiber peelply!”
Gen2: “we sealed all the edges!”
Gen1.5: Dong - “we partially sealed all the edges”
Gen3: “we know how they test defection. Make the insides move since they measure front to back deflection not whole face deflection”.
Gen4: “USAPA is a farce, we will just move around the paddle rules established a few years ago… USAPA will catch up in 2-3 years and we will already have moved forward”.
True in so many ways
I’ve been using Joola Magnus 16mm paddle for a month now and it is a game-changer in terms of quality and performance. Its construction ensures optimal control and power, making it the best paddle I've ever used. 🙋🏻♂️
And your a Joola rep aren't you?
"Important. Huge Gen 3 USAP Update This morning, all manufacturers received an email inviting us to a meeting for the introduction of an exit velocity test ( coefficient of restitution ) … the meeting is May 20th."
Just heard this, do you have any more info??
I forgot about silent library 😂😂
I definitely agree. If you only choose one Joola for top 5 power paddles, the Paddleteks are definitely top 5 in power. I didn't get to try the long handled version
I knew you was cool Lanky!
Love your podcast guys. For once I feel like I have something to chime in on: Chris, it's not really about stretching, but about improving your functional range. Strengthen your body IN the deep positions that require you to be more flexible. Similar to how yoga might put you in these positions, but you can add more movement, and more load. This will help your body adapt to the new demands. Also, day of, warm up first, that's much more important and will enhance any stretching or flexibility exercises you do. Keep up the great work. And for the record, my Scorpeus 3 hasn't had issues yet after about 20 hours of playing...
You are like the Ralph Nader for pickleball paddles. Thanks for looking out for us!
My Hyperion 14mm lasted less than 3 play sessions and has a rattle so pushed on the face and it's starting to crunch. Tried to submit a warranty claim and system was down 😞
I think its an important distinction...is it "breaking in" or slowly deteriorating each use until the paddle is no longer useful? To me a break in is the paddle changes over a couple of weeks and settles in and plays consistently for a long while.
Ankle strengthening is a huge thing for as you get older too. It all ties in to the lower leg. 61 year old here talking from experience.
Interesting for me to hear all of these recent reviews on Joola. I’ve had all the way from Gen 1-3 and I’ve never experienced any of these issues. Maybe I’m one of the lucky one but I don’t feel that issues are as common as the internet makes them appear.
Another nice video. Good info . Question- I was about to get a Joola gen3 but is a Aloha Honolulu J2K better to get? Has there been same issue with J2K as well? Tks
Chris, if you get people challenging you on your review (I.e Oni review hate), please know that the majority of your audience doesn’t share those beliefs. You can’t please all the people all the time. I’m sure it hurts you to read those kinds of comments, but I think this comes with the territory of having a very large audience. Please don’t over index on those reviews as a takeaway about how the rest of us feel about you!
Great video. This helped me a lot in choosing paddles, and I'm ready to order the Hudef Viva Pro Gen3.
I've been using the Hudef viva pro gen 3 for two weeks now, and the blend of carbon fiber and Kevlar is really special, giving it a lot of spin.The control of it is amazing.
When will you update in the web site the swing weight and twist weight of every paddletek model?
Random question but is it mentioned anywhere which episode # this is? Was just thinking about the 10 year and "How many episodes?" question and didnt realize what episode this was. I see under the Explore the podcast section in the description it has 82 episodes total but doesnt help with respect to a random episode and trying to figure out which one in the series it is. Didnt hear it in the intro either.
The recent thumbnails have the episode number in the top right.
“Silent library” reference for the win! Love it!
Maybe that's why Ben John's has lost more times in the last six months than the previous three years. What a disaster for Joola.
I live in Ecuador, but bought a JOOLA - Tyson McGuffin Magnus (yet to be picked up in US). If you think you have issues with returning paddles..... just try it when living in South America! I really hate to hear that US companies have such quality control issues, and have not done proper testing. Anyway, I'm a new retiree who has picked up pickleball as another expensive hobby, but we really have fun in Cuenca, Ecuador! Come visit us some time! We play in Parque Candelas and Parque Pateleria, which are nothing like the fancy places you get to play, but we have a blast!
Would love if you did a video about your stretch routine
I never buy 1st run of any new production model in any product; car, computer, home appliances, NOTHING! It's like the 70's all over again, when you bought a new car the dealership would tell you to bring it back in a month or two and they'll fix everything that's broken for free. You knew you were buying a broken car.
12:04 @pickleballwill did you focus on your new paddle on purpose?
You guys are an incredible resource for the pickleball community, keep up the great work! 2 sessions, about 6 hours on a Joola Magnus 14mm, core crush…..the Gearbox power pro elongated lasted a week, what power paddle will last, Proton no stock for months, you mention Paddletek? Any spin numbers on the Paddletek TKO’s?
Is there a link to where I could buy a can of the gamma Library foam balls at?
Have you tried the Ronbus R2 Pulsar FX?
Yes,Review that plz!
@@Kainalu_O JohnKew did a good review of all all three (R1/2/3) of the FX line.
The ONI by Vatic (Sorry Daryl), I think the foam still expands over time (months) and corrupts the polymer core. The amount of foam between the polymer core (that is the honeycomb) doesn’t matter as long as it is static as sale. But a few people I know with the ONI suggested that the home continues the beyond retail sale
I got two Perseus Gen 3 and both have a detached core within 2 games each. When you shake them there is just a massive rattle.
I used mine as a maraca on Cinco de Mayo.
Chris, stretching tenses and stresses muscles. Massage gun loosens muscles which is really what you need. Stretching after the gun is ok but the gun is what you need
A friend of mine swears by the book "Back Mechanic" for how to fix back issues. I've had back issues for years and do a morning regiment of back warmups (prescribed by my physical therapist), plus back and leg stretching. My back's been great for the past few years. I haven't read the book myself yet, but maybe it'll have some good insight, Chris. Good luck!
I enjoyed the podcast. I liked the information on the problems with the new paddles. I would have a problem, if I needed to send back a broken paddle to the manufacturer for warranty. I would not have the paddle to use until I have the replacement. I always do dynamic and static stretching before playing pickleball. Thank you, Chris and Will.
Chris - please get a standing desk or a “standing desk converter. “ I too have a computer desk job - a standing desk is a life changing positive improvement for your health. Thank you and Will for your great service to the PB community.
Planning to once I buy a house! :)
call it as you see it Chris ... your work and objectivity is invaluable for us
Would it be best to order this paddle from Joola or another online retailer? Would ordering through another online retailer be helpful with returning a core crushed paddle instead of dealing with Joola?
Maraca-like sounds after a couple games to 11. After two to three days, captain crunch pressing into the face. This is for both Magnus and Scorpeus 16. 😡
No, I’m not a fan dealing with warranty.
Issues w warranty? That will be a major problem as we are not going away if out paddle has issues
I appreciate you caring about pball and consumers. I have only played a week w my Magnus 16” but I am loving it. I knew the alphas had issues as my friend “broke “ 7. I figured they wouldn’t release until summer to clean up quality issues but they increased warranty to a yr which was the reason I felt ok purchasing. My second gen needed replaced bc of edge guard issues. Keeping up Chris!
I agree - after the "surprises" of the thermoform last year, one would think that this years new tech would have been better tested by the manufacturers. But did we really think foam wouldn't degrade, especially when the foam is part of the propulsion system? It will be interesting to see what Ronbus has come up with when Ripple releases
Any word on the new Head paddle? The Radical Nite? It looks like it's a good one.
Macon Georgia qualifier is May 29-June 2. Virginia Beach June 5-9.
What are some stretches you do? I feel like I have the same problem
So what’s wrong with the “broken” gen 3s that have a crunching sound, what are the effects on performance/durability? What is a core crushing issue? Can anyone explain
inconsistent power and direction
5.25 DUPR here. My Perseus 14mm broke after 2.5 play sessions ~ 10 hours
Played excellent for that short time, then was uncontrollable with certain shots getting tons more power and suffered a varying launch angle
Even at $100 it shouldn’t be crushing!!! I think we all have a warped sense of a dollar! I mean this shows even more we are becoming immune to us being in a Throwaway Society
It's called the Gamma Librarian. It's fun to practice with indoors. Feels like a dense Nerf ball.
I’ve got 2 Anna Bright Joola Gen 3s. I just checked the second one. It’s been played about 5 times. There’s a slight crunch and it rattles. The first one is on loan to a friend. I’ll check it tomorrow.
Please update us as to their warranty process.
will you guys be doing a review on j2k and j2k pro HONOLULU PICKLEBALL?
Someone at rec play yesterday was using the Engage Pro 1, and I guess he hit the ball in a certain spot that launched the ball. It reminded me of the Joola video. The ball went so fast we didn't see where it landed. Even he said, "What just happened?"
No issues yet on my scorpious gen 3 yet.. If it fails I will warranty it.. Love how the paddle plays..
Same.
Every two play sessions?
@@123BV8 Been playing with it since it was available day one.. No issues yet.. If they all had issues after 2 sessions the internet would be flooded with that info and mine would be broken 2 days after it arrived...They sold a ton of these on release.. I see themall over the courts.. If it fails, it fails just like my original DBD did.. Just replaced that also and never had a problem with the replacement.
No issues yet after 5 play sessions totaling 11 hours.
Fwiw it was Jordan Irwin who did the other review and am keen to hear his further insight after more play. 😊
In a world where (anecdotally) Vatic (Carbon and Prism series specifically), SixZero, and Gruvn don't have these issues for half the cost... makes Joola a tough pill to swallow. Loved my Solaire 14mm when i started playing but moved on.
Gearbox, Joola, Selkirk are all way overpriced IMO. The only retort I will entertain is their warranty, but I don't give a shit about that - I just want my paddle to play well.
I saw a podcast on the J7K from Honolulu paddles with top tear power like 60 mph...
Basic randomized control trial based stretching, dynamic stretching >45 min before. If you have ROM issues (most of use 40+) start and hour early with ROM (studied and show to inhibit performance but improve ROM).
So 40+ pickleball players, ROM static >30-40min. Dynamic stretch up to play.
Or just do the “pickleball clock” before 10 times.
Love my Joola Perseus 3 16mm. Took a month to learn and understand. Picklr Shop had free ship and no tax.
A new gearbox pro elongated that I was using lasted 1 week before it suffered core crush. We’ll see how long my new Scorpeus 14mm lasts.
I need a TKO-CX review ASAP please for Paddletek. Curious how it compares to Pursuit Pro Mx 6.0
My old gearbox cx14 still sits in my bag 1.5 years later after hammering it for a year and still works just like it was when new… I’ve moved on to other paddles, but she is still there, old reliable. Don’t think I could break it if I tried.
What else do you play with, and how does their behavior/performance compare to the cx14? Thanks! 🙏
@@elvnprince I’ve been mostly playing with the pickleball apes PLE S. Love the control it offers but still has enough pop. 🔥🔥🔥
Bantam might reference a weight class in boxing. Which makes sense if they are referencing TKO…Bantam is a lower weight class in Boxing…if the swing weight is low for the bantam paddle then it all makes sense 👍🏽
I like that explaination right there
2 of my Gen 3 Anna Brights make sounds, are uncontrollable, and the spin is diminishing. They were great for the first 2 weeks. Back to my Mach 2 Forza 14mm. 😢
My gearbox crunched like crazy. And it was completely uncontrollable and hit rockets. Much like you described Issac’s. Just with a little less crunch and I warrantied it. But I am ditching these gen 3 for this reason. Thrive azul is enough power without all this breaking
Also this crunch came after 3 months, 4.5 player who doesn’t hit it crazy hard, not a former tennis player
Does anyone know how to contact Joola. I cannot find a customer service number, and the two shops I buy paddles from do not have a phone number for the company. The numbers on the web are not in use.
they took the money and ran
This video continues to validate why I play with a Ronbus.
The only reason Joola is selling paddles is because Ben Johns. The price, quality, and QC is outrageous.
Are you or Will going to review the Spoon by Pkoll? I know it has been out for a while but would be nice to see a quality review
Congrats. Intro was soooo smooth.
My gear box pro elongated makes crackling noises. Does that mean it is also broken and I should seek warranty?
The Gearbox is a weird one, because it isn't built with polymer honeycomb.
Gearbox claims that it is fine with their paddles since it's just hardened foam. It's not clear to me at this time how good or bad that crunching is for that specific paddles. For polymer paddles it's known as a bad thing.
Btw , love most of your reviews. Very informative.
Can you please review the Sword & Shield j2k? Curious how you rate it against Ruby and Azul. Thanks
It's different than what you normally do, but you should do a collab with one of the pickleball Pt's/ fitness instructors. The Dynamic warm up and static cool down are very important. Would love to see some content from you on this. It would be like the backhand lesson episode
In my opinion any paddle that uses Kevlar or Nomex cores or carbon tubes as core instead of polypropylene is worth considering.
J7k all Kevlar is elongated as the Hurache control + but the J7k is the longest and the Hurache is carbon Kevlar
The main issue with j7k is that it's 123 swing speed but hurracha is also 100% kevlar face just has 3 additional layers of carbon. I got j2k pro and hurracha kevlar on the way.
I do have to say my OG Gen2 Legacy Pro (still not Delaney) took a week or 2 of break in. Paddles have always had a break in. Look at how they are made. Layers. Layers always loosen up. Core crush is a different issue. But most paddles break in even if it’s just one game.
Chris/Will-Thank you for keeping it honest. As buyers, we often can’t/don’t pre-test every paddle we buy. We rely on you guys to be the honest voice for us.
Liked. You guys are tops, being unbiased. Appreciated. Question: How good is Joola's customer service with previous Gen 2 Core Crushing? Thanks.
Great video! I guess Italy supposedly greatest paddle. I am so happy with my Engage Pursuit Pro MX 6.0!
Seems like the USPA should have a 5,000 hit machine process before approving paddles. Doesn't seem that hard to implement.
Thanks for the great episode. Chris, I think I also need a cross court forehand dink lesson because that shot feels very awkward to me. Regarding the Paddletek TKO, ALW Bantam, and Engage Pro1...if these paddles really powerful, but are not thermoformed or have foam edges then what are they doing different that other companies have missed? Is there more innovation that could continue to improve cold pressed paddles (more traditionally made paddles)?
For the PaddleTek, it's probably because of the fiberglass they are using. I'm not positive if Engage does the same, I don't think they've ever publicly stated that they have any fiberglass mixed with the carbon fiber.
@@PickleballStudio That makes sense. My first paddle in 2021 (and I don't buy many) was a Tempest Wave Pro and it had a fiber glass face. The ball seems to have a little more pop and I consider it a very soft paddle
Chris, how was the spin on the Bantam?
Can we ban foam paddles?
Played against a good player (4.0+) today who had a Joola Gen3 Perseus. I’m happy to support a ban on those things. I’ve never seen a pickleball move like that (spin and power).
They should be illegal based on USAPA's own rules (no trampolin effect). Mind boggling they're letting these paddles risk ruining the sport.
I thought TKO stood for "tweener king ____", which is Christian Alshon's tag for all of his socials
Was pretty close to getting a Collin Johns Gen 3 on release day. Guess we'll need to wait for the new round of better quality paddles this generation.
Durability aside, that Collin Gen 3 is amazing. Best I've ever played with.
Hurache or TKO? Which one you liking more?
Will Joola fix or replace the crunchy Gen3 paddle under the Warranty?
Curious what you expect to come of the manufacturer introduction to coefficient of restitution on the 20th?
I care if mine crushes.. I crushed my PPE in a month and got a new one…. Couple months and the replacement is creaking too. I am just sticking with it- adapted to it.
Guys, I think it would be great if yoiu added to your paddle reviews the play of different paddles in relation to the skill level of the player. I find that some paddles are better suited for different skill levels and playing style. For full disclosure I am a Six Zero guy, and the DBD still is one of (if not the) best paddles for 3.0 - 4.5 (maybe 4.35) player. As someone expressed to me the DBD increases the efficiency of the skill level of the player. Six Zero has proven to be consistent with a pretty uniform quality during the life of the paddle. .....Thoughts?
So far so good with mine. Two weeks of rec and one tournament. But if this one breaks I’m sure Joola will warranty it.
Will! Please provide link of that OP Pickleball tshirt!!
So does the Joola 12 month warranty cover this issue? Mines crushed after 2 weeks of play and I kind would like either my money back or a new paddle.
Just got the Perseus3 16, and will check it after playing today. Also, can you review the Bread & Butter Shogun?
Love My Perseus Gen 3. Dont have to use much power easy on the hands and arms
Can we get a video of your stretching routine?
It’s annoying my AB Gen 3 today started to crunch. Only had 6 sessions with it
would gen 3 14 mm be more or less durable than 16 mm?
Chris: can you share or recommend a stretching routine? very informative video.
I don't have much of a full routine yet. It's mostly some hamstring and hip flexor stretches. A great channel you should watch is Movement By David. Lots of TH-cam shorts with great stretches.
I'm ready for gen 4 already
I had this problem with my original V7, it was way too poppy at the kitchen. I'm glad other people like it, but it wasn't for me.
Can you do a review on J2K vs. Apollo (wide body) . I think these might be 2 best Kevlar paddles for the price. ( under $150)
So, the foam ball might be the key to playing grass-court pickleball.
Compared to Carbon fiber, Kevlar has a more durable fiber capability because it’s not a brittle material.
If these paddles are truly getting more and more powerful as time goes by, they are risking a lawsuit. Someone is going to get hurt . concussions are possible. I heard that one person got a concussion on the pro tour. I can see amateurs going crazy with this paddle, not controlling it and hitting people in the head and in the eye and in the nose and doing some serious damage. The question is who is responsible the manufacturer or the user. The user knew his paddle is getting more powerful as time goes byand continued to use iteven after it exhibited core crushing.
Howie B
It's 100% on the user. There wouldn't be a successful lawsuit there.
Great pod. Glad I held back on the ONI. No way a face sheet can "stay put" when a core material is moving and changing like they do.Floating cores will have durability issues.There are foams out there that are solid and are not injected, but the labor to build a paddle using them would take a lot more time.
Don't pay any attention to those REDIT fools.! No more invites to Joolla releases for you Chris😆
Back problems at 70 are a bitch. Arthritis and bulging discs are my thing. Stretching is key to stay on the court. Sitting is the killer. Rec players don't have PT Trainers to work em like the pros.