Why Lily Chose James Over Snape
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Why did Lily choose James? Why couldn’t she see how much Snape loved her? How did she just fall for James Potter after disliking him for so many years? Did Snape ever actually have a chance when it came to being romantically involved with Lily? The 2 once had a very close friendship, and upheld it even though they were in separate houses. Over the years circumstances changed, the 2 parted ways and Lily ends up marrying James. Snape never let go of his feelings for her and holds much regret in his heart because he knew things could have been so different had Lily not chose his rival. So that is exactly what we’re going to talk about today, why Lily picked James, the root of her decision and the events that influenced her to eventually give James a chance.
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i read somewhere that said; “If Harry was a girl and looked like Lily, Snape would have treated him very differently.” and i think about that a lot.
Holly shi-
That weirdo abused Neville because Neville's parents didn't got killed instead of Lily. I won't be surprised if he get obssesed about Lily Jr. too.
I think even if Harry just looked more like Lilly that Snape would've been different. Maybe not at first but eventually.
I know Nicolas Black said it in his Harry Potter opinions video
Oh my-
That is probably true!
But WAIT A MInUTE......
If Harry was a girl then the prophecy would-
WAIT WHa-
Video: Why Lily chose James over Snape
JK Rowling: Because I write so
Lmfao
Am laughing and crying -
Why JK TwT
Lmao 🤣 yeah right kkkk
Richard Li voldemort!!!
True but all authors have regrets even JK Rowling
If Snape was Harry’s dad
Everybody, “You look just like your mom, but you have your,”
Harry, “Father’s nose.”
oh dear Lord... perish the thought my dear, I wouldn't wish that nose on any baby, child or man😅😁😁😁😁
Better than having no nose *cough* Voldemort *cough*
Gypsy 🤣🤣🤣
And malfoy saying SNAPEH instead of POTTAH
@@Gabes1321Everybody, "you look just like your father, but you have your"
Harry, "mother's nose."
Snape : calling lily a ' filthy mudblood'
Draco: calling Hermione a ' filthy mudblood'
But fans still ships them
Me: I guess mudblood means I love you in the wizarding world
Yeah but Ronald saying i'm a nightmare was better that Malfoy saying that 😂
@@aixanotfound1314 oh hello hermione
@@mars-fi2ic Hello!😊✨
@@aixanotfound1314 Hello Hermione, run after Albus, he has taken the time turner and is about to ruin everything without knowing 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
@@aixanotfound1314 Right?!
No Lilly+ James= No Harry Potter and Voldermort still alive and series probably called Neville Longbottom
No, Draco Malfoy. The key point is not just a mother protecting her child with her life, it had to be a mother whom Voldemort was willing to give the opportunity to live, rather than just killing her without a thought. In canon, Severus Snape was the valuable follower Voldemort was willing to spare Lily for. But if Snape never joined the Death Eaters, Lucius is the valued servant Voldemort wanted to keep, so he'd also offer Narcissa the chance to step aside. But just as Narcissa lied to Voldemort in canon to save her son, she'd never save herself at Draco's expense.
Astrin Ymris and u decided to type a whole essay?
Chewy Studios Not really otherwise hé would be defeaten
Sun Smits on which part are you responding onto?
No Harry Potter = no prophecy no prophecy = Voldemort would never try to assassinate them
She chose James to make Malfoy say Pottah
Oh yes definitely
C'mon, let's go make fun of pah'tah
SnApEy
LOL
So stupid yet so genius
why Lily choose James?
Becuase Snape keep telling her to turn to page 394
Hehe..where have you been all these days
Lol
LoL
XD yesss XD
No.
Lily: has brown eyes
Harry: blue eyes
Everyone: *you have your mothers eyes*
The movie didn't put much effort in the appearance of the cast. 😔😔
Actually, it was Rowling who chose Dan
Probs some of the others too
Its her choice that matters- she deserves it😊
Book Lily: **has green eyes**
Book Harry: **has green eyes**
Movie Lily: **has brown eyes**
Movie Harry: **has blue eyes**
Wtf?????
And the books say they both have green eyes! 😂
Daniel Radcliffe was allergic to the contact lenses
To keep my two cent's brief on this: Snape was so neglected and abused by his family that he latched onto the only person to show him true kindness during his awful excuse for a childhood. This happens a lot to kids from broke homes. It happened to me as well. Lily is probably the sole reason Snape had any redeeming traits left after such an upbringing, as she treated him like a human being and showed him a better side to humanity. To Snape, she was the only warmth he had in his life prior to Hogwarts, but Lily grew up with parents who adored her and her gifts, and despite her loving and caring personality, likely didn't see how such abuse from family could affect Snape so profoundly. Just because you can love enough to defy dark magic doesn't make you a child psychologist. Her friendship from her perspective was just that: friendship.
Rowling has also said that Lily might have grown to love Snape romantically had he not been drawn to the dark arts as much as he was, which he ironically gravitated to in order to impress her. In simpler terms, Snape's upbringing blinded him to the fact that power doesn't secure love, darkness can push even the kindest people away, and that what is obvious to some is invisible to another.
I like your explanation of what transpired between Lilly and Snape. You have a great insight that helps you determine both sides of the question. That's a very special gift and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
👏👏👏👏 Yeah I really liked the video but it is clear to me that her friendship with severus has *nothing to do with her falling for james*. She didn't reject him cuz he never told..he was into her? And yeah they drift apart and this my friends is on Snape too. And that's why he has so many so many regrets, I mean, who wouldn't? things could be so diferent as JK said...
They were lovers
Snapes half muggle..same as Voldermorte
He knew love
Yes I agree with what you said Snape really never had a chance his mother was so scared of his father and she never stood up for him or herself she didn’t love herself so she couldn’t love him enough to stand up for him I’ve always felt sorry for Snape’s upbringing that is why he never understood love
Him calling her a mud blood didn't help.
Yep, calling her the wizarding equivalent of the N-word, definitely destroyed his chances.
Danyelle Jones for sure!
You can’t really blame him.
@@mochii5747 umm, it really was. There are really no excuses for him calling her a genetic slur lol
「 •w•Lazari~Eclipseùwú 」 Well he said it on his choice. So how is that not his fault?
Why Snape always looked at the golden trio:
Harry had Lily's eyes (and blood)
Ron had her signature red hair
Hermione had Lily's intelligence
(Not my own comment, but I changed it a little.)
Imagine Ginny when she was in snapes class 😭 ✋🏻
@@priscilla7358 Yes, Ginny was soooooooooo much like Lily❤️😭.
@@charmi839 IKR
I feel like the golden trio reminded him of james, sirius and lupin. If you think about it
OMGGGG WOAH-
Alright, so:
Lily: has brown eyes in the movie
Harry: has blue eyes in the movie
Everyone: U HAve YoUR MotHer’S GrEeN EyeS
DUMPRING Yeah, the movies, they‘re trash
Nerd Empire they aren't trash, they just aren't accurate.
o>O LOGIC
Yeah it’s because of Harry’s actor he couldn’t wear contact lenses because of an allergy but I honestly don’t know about Lily. Why did they even keep the lines in there though????
In the movies they don't say you have your mother's green eyes, they just say your mother's eyes
"Why couldn't she see how much Snape loved her?" She probably did. And she also likely never had feelings for him in the first place. She doesn't owe him a relationship because he likes her.
Exactly
THANK YOU
omg thank you. There was literally never any hint of her loving him romantically, so there's really no reason for her to be in a relationship with him.
Yes! This!
thank u.
I think Lily knew that Severus had feelings toward her but she didn't feel the same back to him.
My wife said the same thing after we saw The Deathly Hollows Part 2 in the theater, "Nothing is worse than unrequited love, that's why Snape joined Voldemort."
Constable 1976 snape joined Voldemort because of Lucius malfoy. If he chooses otherwise he could still have a chance.
Probably I mean she isn't stupid
@ItsMeMattyPlayZ not always true but ok
Exactly you're not obligated to return the same feelings
James -- Changed before Lily died
Snape -- Changed after Lily died
And that made all the difference......
Also at 4:20 Snape and James vere rivals Snape was not some poor miserable victim he could easily hex James back and he did ....... in the book
Sirius said that when Snape was young he knew more dark curses than some of the seventh years
Even Dumbledore said that Snape and James were rivals
*Snape was not James Potter's victim*
at first, James always bullied him. he was the outcast. but he held his own.
THANK YOU. People are so busy feeling sorry for Snape. He was never BULLIED by James. That was just rivalry but what he did to the Gryffindors was pure BULLYING.
Snape even invented a curse (Sectumsempra) just to use on The Marauders
THIS, SAY THAT TO PEOPLE ON THE FRONT
@@sushmahardas242 "He was never BULLIED by James." Man what the fuck, u think that the only time Snape got 100 vs 1 situation was the actual memory when Snape ... snapped? Either u never was bullied regularly, or u fuckin lost memory if you did. Snape was after all calm and intelligent even with his darkness, which only grew by getting bullied constantly, its same for every bullied human being, and after reaching critical mass u might unleash even on loved ones if they come in wrong time and wrong place, like Snape did. Defending James makes me fuckin furious every time, and I was quite disappointed that actual James grow up change wasnt really explained as process, so still dont see a reason why would anyone be proud of that bully fucker :) have a nice day
Snape: Why didn't Lily love me, Mr Potter?
Harry: I don't know, sir...
Snape: Why!! Why!! Why!!? (silence) -50 points off from Griffindor.
Harry: WTH?
Snape: -100 points from-
Harry: Slytherin
Snape: Wait Wha-
Harry: (:
Dumbledore: ????
Dumbledore : 1000 points to gryffindore
Snape: 1000000 points from
Harry: Slytherin
Snape: Oh sh**
s a k u r a lol
If I learned anything from anime, it's that the childhood friend always loses.
sadly
In which anime that happens?
@@xVadRay Oreshura, Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai and Nisekoi are a few I have seen where that happens. However, after looking through myaminelist for examples its not quite as common as I thought. A lot of Harem anime just have ambiguous or harem endings.
@@shrekisthebestfranchiseand5032 Granted thats more for harem anime. If there is only one interest like in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood they don't lose nearly as much as they seem to in harem anime.
@@SoraYoshi182 yeah I was about to comment that. One of the most cliche things in romance anime is "from childhood friends to lovers"
Severus Snape was a broken man since childhood he had lived broken and died broken
Which is so damned unfair. I've met very few ppl w lives like this as well for various reasons, some even entirely different. Most of my life's been the same (I relate a LOT to Snape). It's part why I'm actually an empath (odd how he & I turned out different tho!!!).
Eerika Multasniemi yep he did she was his rock keeping him together making his dark like just a bit more brighter I’m actually surprised he wasn’t suicidal
But Snape ruined his chance of happiness by his choices. He preferred the dark arts and Death Eater friends over Lilys Friendship, which also prevented her from ever falling in love with him.
He told Voldemort the Prophecy that ultimately killed Lily.
Yes, Snape is a tragic, broken character, he is not completely free of guilt either.
A totally cute and innocent guy he didn’t knew that the prophesy was related to her. That’s why as soon as he realized he joined Albus. He was still a kid, a broken kid. And don’t they’ll me that you haven’t done stupids things that you think are gonna make you better but results in a mistake. I know because I’ve there too many times, and people should put others shoes and understand their view better
All I see is karma.
Lily, James, Snape.
All have sined against each other.
Harry is the only good person here.
Why did Lilyy choose James over Snape?
Ans: To write a book called Harry Potter...
Lmaoooo
😂
Yes , otherwise it would be ...
You have your mothers eyes and uh ... snapes hair and nose .
@@jules2291 otherwise there would be a book called Neville Longbottom and Voldemort would still be alive....
“HaRrY sEvErHuS“
Isn't there any person commenting on the part he said "Snape snapped "
Like wood
tbh he loved lily so much that he held back as long as he could like a rock stopping a volcano until he just blew
Snape snaped
Snap Snaped
@@sofya3033 the hell?
LOL.
Snape basically called her the magical N-word. Even if she forgave him as a friend, even if she was attracted to him before, finding someone attractive after that is pretty much impossible. You'll always know they see you that way.
DaQuan lmao so in short you're just into racists, yikes. you need to sort out your priorities.
@Goodbye why’s that? I’m curious about why you think it can’t be compared because the books make it seem really similar, although J.K is a racist person so I trust a random strangers logic more than her.
@Goodbye in the real world you can’t. But in universe you can. Saying “it’s not real so you can’t compare it to real stuff” is not an argument and is also just straight up false. Half of the reason humans like fiction is so they can compare it to reality, it’s just wrong to say you can’t compare it. You can argue though that someone is comparing it to the wrong thing, but you need an argument to do that.
@Goodbye 😂😂😂 thanks
Last time I was this early, Harry didn’t know he was a wizard
Amber lEave
@@inuplic108 why
Legit lol
Kezia lol
One sided bullying is, I feel, an over simplification, even if James really did humiliate him that time. Remember, Snape invented the spell to hang people upside down and after James used his own spell against him, he used a spell that would cut James’ face with a bloody gash (not shown in the movies however). He also followed the marauders and tried for years to get the truth about Remus’ condition to get the group expelled and hurt Remus. Snape wasn’t helpless! He invented “Sectumsempra” to quote “for enemies”. Sirius at some point says Snape went to Hogwarts with “more knowledge of the dark arts than most seventh years”, to say he was helpless highly undermines the character. Sirius also said “snape never missed a chance to hex James” and James would supposedly retaliate. I really do think we undermine Snape severely and just how powerful he was and how dark he could be as a child. Ultimately, the death of someone he loved would lead him working very hard to repent and left terribly guilt stricken for nearly two decades. Its beautifully complicated.
I agree, I loved James's character and I believe that he was misunderstood. Most people say that Severus was a "Hero" and James was "Selfish". How could he be selfish if he gave his life to save his wife and son? James did bully him, but so did Sirius but people love him. If James wasn't a nice guy then he wouldn't have risked his life to save Snape when Sirius told him how to get past the Whomping Willow. Draco bullied Harry his entire school life but just because he changed into a good person in the end people love him and say that "He didn't have a choice". Snape bad mouthed James in front of Harry. He tortured and bullied Harry just because he resembled his father and still people say that Snape was better. James joined the Order and fought for what was right and Snape just became a Death Eather. James was a hero just like the other Marauders except Peter.
Hamna... Thank you for speaking it out. I was trying to find one comment like this. James Potter is my favorite character. His life is so beautiful and inspiring, at least for me. ❤
@@amazeofwords. I know, he was such a selfless character. He bullied Snape in his Teenage but Snape bullied almost every student who was not in Slytherin. James became an Animagus just for Remus. He provided shelter to Sirius when he had no place to stay. He became friends with Peter and got betrayed by him. Sirius and Remus loved him because he did everything he could for them and Snape can't be better then James because if he was he wouldn't have insulted Harry's dead father in front of him and tried to ruin the image of his dad.
Just because they only knew the details on Snape's point of view, they keep on bashing James. I really don't get the hate towards James.
@@nich17cute I have commonly noticed that they hate him based on one memory. And forget all the real things Snape did.
Because Harry Snape doesnt sound as good as Harry Potter 😂 love your videos ❤
He would of been called something else most likely.
@@thecasualfifaplayer1531 that's for sure considering Harry comes from James's grandfather Henry Harry Potter
@@vayrr_. Severus is Snape's first name his last name is Snape (his father is tobias snape)
Vilian_Griffindoor_ Wolffenore
No it isn’t.
Sooooooo true not gonna lie
Is it cause James washed his hair
Kyle LMAO
But never combed it 😆
Yes. Just yes.
BOI
Damn you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because she was never attracted to him romantically. End of story.
True
Even if James wasn't in the picture. Lilly still wouldn't have ended up with snape.
@@misspopcoin2204 exactly
@Justin C That she always liked him as a friend and nothing more
@Justin C for once he didn't practice the dark arts second he matured and changed while Snape held grudges his whole life
I mean Snape also tortured a friend of Lilly with dark magic and when he apologized for calling her a mudblood, he said that she was the only one who was different. He was still extremely disgusted by other mudbloods. No wonder Lilly let him go
This , I really hate how everyone called snape innocent , snape was not innocent , he defended his death eater friend and he didn’t even denied to lily that he was gonna be a death eater
Ironic since he's half blood
He was bullied, if he wasn't constantly bullied, he wouldn't have snaped. So YES HE WAS INNOCENT until JAMES pushed him to the EDGE
@@michaelmyers7180 Tons of people were bullied in school but you don’t see them torturing innocent students and joining a racist cult
@@michaelmyers7180This
Is actually something that no else has ever understand
Has anyone else noticed that Harry and James both fell in love with red heads. This proves that not all the heads are horrible.😁
N also ginny n lily faces r kinda similar
magic man based on what? Lily had green eyes, Ginny had brown eyes and freckles...what other information is there? Their hair color wasn’t even the same. Its like saying all people of a certain ethnicity look the same because you can’t see the differences only in this case we barely know what the differences are.
Gosh
Sam I-am ginny has blue eyes and i thought they looked similar also
@@maraudentium2607 CHILL!
Why did Lily choose James over Snape?
Because Lily loved James not Snape.
There’s this disturbing notion that women have to reward male attention with love
Snape's fangirls think that because he fancied her she had to fancy him even though she didn't. Them thinking she's a whore for not fancying a creep like Snape is pathetic.
No, it's not that disturbing notion that's the focus here. It's just applying developmental & social psychology to character arcs.
"There’s this disturbing notion that women have to reward male attention with love"
Literally nobody said this. They're two book characters who did not get together and we're talking about why.
Snape is better!!!!!!!!!
No it's not correct to say that. I'm not being on anyone's side. But there isn't any notion like this. Because each of us is the third person in the two love stories. We sees it from the perspective of a viewer therefore some of us feel the pain, which Severus did, cause maybe they can relate to it or so. But some of us just don't feel that side of the story and therefore overlook Severus and Lily's story, and prefer James and Lily. Maybe because that what the story yields and emotionally that's something better to focus in order to be less confused and less depressing.
Christmas just got better thanks Dean
True
Maybe because James genuinely worked on his douchen-ess , maybe because he :-
1) gave Sirius a home when he needed
2) worked with his friends to be animagis at their third year ,just to give his friend company ,
3) Actively involved in the fight against Voldy moldy ,
4) was fun to be around and did improve himself enough to become the headboy despite not being a prefect;
5) actually did take steps to be a less shitty person , Redemption has to come from someone's own choice and concrete active change in behaviour, not some sadboy backstory with zero real change in behaviour.
6) cared for more than one person in his life , and fought in aforesaid battle for the wizarding world population , especially muggleborns, and not just one person he had feelings for
Both Lupin and Sirius said that by 7th year James grew up he was probably ashamed of his bullying past I mean look Dumbledore made him head boy even though he was never a perfect
This wasnt quite accurate. Firstly, their rivalry started IMMEDIATELY. James said on the express after snape talked about slytherin that hed "rather leave wouldn't you?" To SIRIUS, who answered that his entire family went into it, to which james JOKINGLY said "i thought you were an alright guy" then snape asked james where he wanted to go and james said "gryffindor like my dad!" Then SNAPE said "if youd rather be brawny than brainy". My point is, this had nothing to do with LILY. The rivalry started because each of them insulted the others preferred House. Secondly, Lily DIDN'T break off the friendship because he called her a mudblood, that was simply the straw that broke the camels back. As she explained when snape went to apologize "you call everyone of my birth a mudblood, whats so different about me?" To which he then tried to say that SHE was different. Also, she described something that his friends did to mary McDonald as sick to which he tried to defend as "just a laugh" and then tried to compare it to james and his friends and she said it wasnt close to the same thing. And this is when she still hated them so she wasnt trying to downplay their actions. Lets not forget that snapes friends became death eaters so we can probably guess that this wasnt some dumb little prank either. Im not justifying james actions at all, but he CHANGED. He cared enough about Lily to CHANGE. I mean he didn't stop bullying snape, but from what lupin and sirius tell us, snape went after him as often as possible afterward. I can buy Sirius downplaying it, but Lupin?
@Justin C Snape was a pathetic tbh
Justin 7 how was he a fuckboy? We have literally no evidence of that in the series, except that he was after Lily’s heart. Also it’s literally stated that James is a genius too lol. He became animagus at 15, and was top in all his classes lol
I know this is late but i also want to point out that Lily, after thinking long and hard on it, wanted to patch things up with Snape. Even James agreed to talk things out. No point in hanging onto old childhood grudges after all. They were going to meet with him but then they had to go into hiding so Snape never found out about it. That to me doesn't seem like James "reveled in Snape's misery" as this guy is implying.
I think James moved on and didn't give Snape a second thought. It was Snape who clung onto the grudge and his hate, refusing to let go of it and move past it.
Sekkechi what evidence is there of that?
@@SolarBlyze it's more likely that's a head Canon... I've read those exact lines in a fanfiction I kid you not
Honestly one of my favourite moments in OOTP was when Harry was asking Sirius and Remus about James. They even say that Lily didn't like James until he "deflated his head a bit" Snape on the other hand, joined the deatheaters the moment he left Hogwarts, picked on other muggleborns and said to Lily that she was the exception. And I suppose calling her a "mudblood" when she was trying to help him didn't help
Because James didn’t call her magic nword
🤣
@Pranav Nandyalathe n word
@Carter Atwell I think That you’re Wright with the thing that James and Draco Changed from bad to good but James did it for Lily and he changed from a Slytherin bullying guy to a to a good against Voldemort fighting guy. Draco chanced from a daddy’s future death eater to a saving his mother and father’s life guy.
Anna Potter there is a really big difference in upbringing, morals and life stiles that you’re forgetting . I can see the similarities but also the difference. Draco was younger than James when he redeemed himself, so don’t condemn them equally. It’s not fair
Magic Nword lmao😂
snape’s last words: “You have your mother’s eyes” and it obviously showed that snape had never changed his feelings for lily.....ever.
It's also a movie-only thing. In the book, he demands to look into Harry's eyes because of his creepy obsession with a dead woman.
@Logia dude yeah Snape was a cruel evil creep who should have died earlier
He has a creepy obsession with her
we need this type of person.
James Potter truly loved lily Evans. Snape lusted over lily Evans since age 11 to 38.
Snape always cared more for her than she did for him. And the person who cares the least is always the one in control of a relationship. He would have done better to move on.
I think if Snape cared so much about Lily, he might (and perhaps even should) have chosen Gryffindor house. We know the Sorting Hat takes your wish into consideration, and Snape was sorted after Lily had already been sorted into Gryffindor. Obviously being in the same house with Lily was not as important to him as being in Slytherin. Then Snape got into the circle of Lucius Malfoy and other pureblood supremacist and readily embraced their ideology. And yes, he should never have called Lily a "filthy little Mudblood", when Lily was trying to help him. And as some people here pointed out, being a friend of someone, even a very close friend does not mean you have romantic feelings for this friend. Think of Hermione and Harry. They were best friends, but never had romantic feelings for one another.
@@pannonia77 yet Hermione forgave Ron again and again after he was unkind to her. Lily didn't give second chances. One strike and you're out. Forever. Why should he have chosen Gryffindor. His mother was in Slytherin, so it's natural he'd accept that house, wanting to please her. He grew up in the Muggle world, so he likely had little more idea of house rivalries than did Lily. Gryffindor didn't save Peter Pettigrew: no house is all good or all bad.
@@TracySmith-xy9tq Of course Hermione forgave Ron's rudeness again and again. Ron was not part of a racist (i.e. pureblood supremacist) gang who tried to become the followers of history's most evil wizard, he was fighting against this evil wizard, who saved Hermione from the troll, then sacrificed himself in the chess game so that Harry and Hermione could go on, who defended Hermione when Draco Malfoy called her "a filthy little Mudblood", who defended Hermione when Snape humiliated her (e.g. when Snape called her "an insufferable know-it-all", or when she was hit by the Densaugeo spell). Snape never did anything like this to Lily.
As several commenters pointed out, Snape's calling Lily a "filthy little Mudblood" was not the sole cause of Lily ending her friendship with Snape, it was only the last straw. Can it be that you did not read Deathly Hallows only watched the film? Lily explained that she disliked Snape's friends and their attitude towards Dark Magic.
Snape had some 20 minutes' time (during the time students between Evans and Snape were sorted) to decide whether this girl was important enough for him to follow her into Gryffindor or to hold on to his prejudice and become Slytherin. He certainly had a clear idea of the house rivalries, as he spoke disparagingly of Gryffindor when James said he wanted to become a Gryffindor. Snape did not tell Lily he hoped they went into the same house, he told her he hoped she would be sorted into Slytherin. And after Lily's Sorting, he chose Slytherin over Lily Evans. Then he became part of Lucius Malfoy's pureblood supremacist circle (although being a Half-Blood himself), who strived to become Voldemort's servants, which led to Lily's and Snape's enstrangement. He defended his fellow would-be Death Eater's use of Dark Magic to Lily. He chose his would-be Death Eater fellows over Lily again. His "love" towards Lily apparently was not strong enough to counter-balance the lure of power and company Lucius Malfoy's circle and the preparation to become Death Eaters offered.
As Lily told Snape after he called her "filthy little Mudblood" when she was trying to save him from public humiliation !!!!, you chose your way and I chose mine. Lily certainly did not have romantic feelings for Snape (just like Hermione never had towards Harry), and Snape's actions led to the end of their friendship.
A person who cares for you doesn't call you the equivalent of the n-word
Lily cared about Snape a lot. She remained friends with him for such a long time even when Snape was involved in bad things. Unfortunately the pressure of his fellow Slytherins (and his family at home too) was too much and he got involved in Dark stuff for a while.
James didn’t wear his glasses in his early years and it’s just weird to me sometimes
Some people don't need corrective lenses until after they hit puberty.
Green Parrot same I always picture james without glasses
Movie details can be often dismissed as unimportant or incorrect.
@@meganwilliams2962 I've worn glasses since I was 3
@@namelessperson4600 I've has mine since age 3. My SO didn't need them until his 40s.
Both Snape and James were bullies
The reason she chose James instead of Snape, however, was because James grew out of it and became a better person. Snape became bitter and angry, became a death eater, supported Voldemort, and later on bullied a bunch of children
Eerika Multasniemi he literally bullied harry hermoine and Neville tho i-
Eerika Multasniemi He literally blamed Harry for Neville failing his potion in first year, he hated Harry just because he was his CHILDHOOD ENEMIES CHILD
And in third year, no kid should fear their teacher and yet Neville’s boggart was literally Snape.
He also exposed Remus for no reason other than the fact he hated him, he assigned a werewolf essay in hopes somebody would realize it,
He stepped over James corpse and ignored a screaming baby right after his parents were killed to hold the body of the woman he ‘loved’ who wanted nothing to do with him in life after he called her a mudblood
Also is there really anything wrong with hating Snape? I didn’t even realize there was a word for that lmao
Harry would have been dead without Snape in his first year? The only thing he did to ‘save’ him was trying to stop the jinx in the broom I’m pretty sure if Harry fell one of the teachers or his teammates would have caught him
This is so true. Many people seem to forget that even though he was redeemed, his behaviour and mannerisms can't be justified.
XxItsGachapuffxX ! That was all before she chose James though
Choice A: Handsome, happy rich guy who liked you from the moment you met.
Choice B: Greasy, grumpy, poor guy who hangs around magical nazis and called you the magical N-word.
Super tough choice there.
will culpepper this!!
Choice A: Cocky, cowardly and arrogant jerk, who spent his freetime bullying and humiliating a guy with his gang just because the girl he wants showed more affection to this guy than him.
Choice B: A friend since childhood, who knows you better than any other in the entire school and was the first person to show you that you are not weird just because you can use magic and that needs someone to guide him out of the dark path that he's about to go down.
As you can see, both of our descriptions about them are true. It just shows that both had bad and good sides to them. It is also important to note that both learned from their mistakes and became better men later on. James mattured and became more humble through Lilly and Severus turnt his back on the Dark Lord and dedicated his life to the protection of her son.
@@mikipav1064 That's where you miss the crucial point. It was only AFTER Lily was killed that Snape changed, he was always planning on just being a sulky, heartbroken death eater forever. That's the traits of obsession, and it's unhealthy.
@@mikipav1064Cowardly and James don't go together.
And he did not bully him because Lily hung out with him, they both hated each other, they both hexed each other.
I think that JKR has stated once that she did indeed have romantical feelings for Snape but his interest in the dark arts made her shy away from giving into them. He would have joined Voldemort anyway and by calling her a mudblood she finally realised this and ended their friendship.
James however matured into a responsable man. He realised in time that he needs to change his behaviour if he wants her to actually give him a chance. And so he stoped being a bully. So she opend up to him and they finally got married.
Snape on the other hand only realised his mistake after her death but still continued punishing Harry for his fathers teenage mistakes. So the only thing he had learned from her death was, that he shouldn't have joined Voldemort but he failed to see that bullying was still not okay.
He was strict but when did he really bullied Harry???
@@marcosmc3709 Did you never read the books whatsoever?
He literarly bullied Neville, an emptionally sensitive 13 year old boy, so hard, it made the boggart transform into Snape. Not a giant spider or snake or whatever other nightmare. It turned into him cuz in Neville's eyes, he was scarier than anything else.
@Marcos MC There's also implications that Snape bullied Neville because his parents should've died instead of Lily since Harry and Neville were born on the same month where either one of them could've been the chosen one.
To be fair, when lily wasnt around-james still bullied snape. I think james harsh acts at snape plus abusive neglectful home life was contributing factors to his bad choices. Snape became utterly loyal to someone who was kind, imagine is his positive reinforcement came from the good guys more n not the bad guys who valued him
Are we just going to ignore Snape actively participating in his mutual feud with the Marauders (which James admittedly started due to his crush on Lily), his creation of dark curses to use on the marauders (the one which James used on him being created by Snape himself), and Snape readily associating with the people that wanted to kill people like Lily and her family despite her begging him to find other friends? I feel like this video was really biased towards Snape.
Dolly7542 Of course it is. But what do you expect?
@Justin C correction he was our role-model when it came to looks
@Justin C Snape was awesome? I admit that he had a rough childhood and James bullying him was wrong, but you don't become a become a Death Eater just because your crush rejected you. And the only reason he switched sides was because of his obsession with Lily, not because he thought what Voldemort was doing was wrong and then he went on to bully Lily's son, who had been neglected his whole life, just because of some stupid school grudge. And he didn't just bully Harry, he bullied any student he didn't like and constantly abused his position as a teacher. He was literally one of his student's biggest fear. How is that awesome? And James might have been a bully in school but he grew out of it and turned into a good man who fought against Voldemort and died protecting his family. James was the one who truly loved Lily while Snape was just obsessed with the idea of her.
James didn’t start the feud due to his crush on Lily...I’d question he even started the feud.
juli828 Lily didn’t choose Snape because he was awful to her, which isn’t opinion.
Look, sometimes a young woman can be kind and be a friend and simply have no other feelings toward a guy. Yeah, it happened to me. The important thing for a young guy is to not just sit and stew in it. This was likely to happen to poor Severus because he was already sort of beaten down and a little weird. Best thing he could have done was learn to play the guitar, get some tats and a nose ring and find himself a slitheryn chick to be "deep" to.
Then again childhood friendship can bloom into, love marriage and family.
My wife and I met first day of school, started dating at 11, married at 18, went on to have children and are still happily married 15 years later.
@@callmeishmael2415 that really can happen and it's great that it happened to you, but many people expect girls to fall in love and marry the first male friend they get. It's like people expect them to get in a relationship as fast as possible, not considering their feelings towards the boy. "If they're friends, there is definitely a future marriage involved"
@@marjanabrstilo3306 Oh I know it Can, and I admit I'm the lucky one, she chose me, I know she was asked out by others, tbh we both were and I wouldn't have stopped her just like I know she wouldn't have stopped me. I think Snape in this situation couldn't understand why she liked James or why she didn't care about the dark arts, I don't think he stood a chance from the moment he admitted wanting to be a death eater. That's what turn Lilly off the most, from that point on it was never going to happen
@@callmeishmael2415 I agree
@Carter Atwell I think her death put his soul back together, remember when Hermione said it takes great remorse and sorrow, the way he seems when he heard of her death would appear to be it. He was a death eater he would have killed before. In the end he died a good man
“You look just like your dad”
movie James: brownish tidy hair (bully scene) and no glasses (sorting scene)
ok
Yeah he looked nothing like either version of James. Hell little James looked nothing like older James lmao
I think that instead u could have just created a video about "how to survive being friendzoned without becoming a death eater"😅
Wow you put to words what i thought!! Lol totally agree 😂😂
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The worst part, is he got friendzoned by his bully
@@DestroAzureDx how? Lily wasn't his bully and Snape didn't fall in love with James
@@marjanabrstilo3306 I'm saying his bully was the cause of him friendzoning himself, james opening up to lily is what made romance happen
It makes you realize how pathetic this love triangle really was. Snape could have just moved on.
It's never that easy when u truly fall in love but also being abused ur entire life & not just in school. 😑☹️
@@shaymary5247None said it's easy but eventually one will have to move on with there life. Pining for some one for majority of their life is not realistic at all.
it’s cause snape was obsessed with lily
True it would be hard but possible and beneficial for literally everyone
Snape seriously needed therapy. I’m being serious. It was extremely beneficial in my case. His fixation (whether true love or not) on the only person who showed him kindness was seriously unhealthy. If he truly loved Lily he would have let her go and acknowledge that she found someone who she loved and who loved her deeply in return. He wouldn’t have torn apart a picture of her, James, and Harry (a picture Harry would have cherished) just to keep her face. That is so f**ked up. He also stole a letter she wrote to Sirius expressing her sorrow over the death of people she cared for just to keep her loving signature at the end.
We only ever see Snapes POV, we do have multiple people compare James and Snapes relationship to Harry and Draco. If you base it on that then it's mutual dislike and bullying. Snape was creating dark spells to use on James.
Lily and James didn't start dating until 7th year. Over a year after the scene with Snape and Lily's friendship disenergrating. In that time James grew up, Sirius and Lupin both said so. He grew up enough he was made head boy even though Lupin was prefect. While James was growing up Snape who was already friends with future deatheaters, Lily called Snape out on this, went further down that path. Snape didn't take a look at what he was doing and change, where James did.
He wouldve stopped if he was sure he had a chance with lily, or if she even cared about him after she tried to tell him to endure bullying for peace sake, what type of friend does that, to snape it looked like she sided with James his bully so he called her a mud blood and the last bit of remorse he felt went out the window when she ended the friendship and started dating James, which he had to distance himself from seeing, so he went further and further down the rabbit hole
in the books we can actually see that was James who started the bullying thing..Snape wasn't speaking with him and yet he was there like "slytherin is evil" **I don't hate him*** but he was speaking about my house...I totally undestand Snape😂
Lily called him on it in their third year. Called him out on using mudblood slur on one of their fellow classmates. Told him she didn't like the people he was hanging out with. That what he was doing was wrong. This was 2 years before his and Lily's friendship exploded. He didn't change. She told him 2 years before she didn't like James. He loved the dark arts more than her. Lupin even states Snape knew more dark magic going into Hogwarts than most 7th years. He chose his obsession over a future with Lily.
@@zeallie9992 yup you're right
@@dungaaahhh5725 eh I have always seen that as the normal Gryffindor vs Slytherin rivalry. Ron said similar things. Snape was the one who scoffed when James said he hoped to be in Gryffindor. Before that James and Sirius were ignoring Snape and Lily. Then James asked where Snape hoped to be sorted into. It was mutual.
Sometimes you just don’t have romantic feelings for people, even if you really care about them as a friend. And there is nothing wrong with that. However Snape hanging out with dark arts enthusiasts who bullied her friends and then later calling her a slur, doesn’t really endear someone to you.
James on the other hand was a prat but he was never prejudiced, and ultimately a good person underneath, then when real life sort of hit him hard he started to really mature as a person and be selfless. Something Lily saw and that made her fall in love with him.
It’s as simple as that, and I don’t know why people argue about it. Because first off people genuinely change, and that’s what happened to James. Lily wouldn’t have been with him if he hadn’t. But even then that doesn’t mean she would have been with Snape, because again she just simply didn’t feel for him like that, and his actions ultimately pushed her away as a friend.
She didn’t choose James over anyone, she just chose him because she loved him. She probably would have loved to have her best friend stay a part of her life, but he made the decisions he did.
@Logia dude not dumb necessarily but they are misguided - ruled more by emotion than logic. they seem like the kind of ppl who don't see emotional manipulation as a bad thing if it gets them what they want in the end. and just because they want something to happen, it makes what they want the right thing.
@@nc7182 I haven't read the books or the movies (though I have been seeing the Starkid musicals). But, wouldn't this all be due to the Umbridge Factor? Everyone's been bullied growing up and it is a serious issue in the modern world. So, when it's found that Snape's been a victim, it gets personal.
@@jenneacubero1036 u can’t read movies
@sage bruh snape called lily a slur
@sage would you call your friend the n word?? That would be the equivalent to the m word in the wizarding world. Besides i hope you only use slurs while joking and not as a way to insult your friends
Lily probably knew about Snape’s feelings. But he despised everyone like her. His excuses of “you’re different.” Isn’t enough. She knew he hated muggleborns. He was abused yes. He was bullied yes. But he excelled in potions and the dark arts because that’s what interested him. He probably daydreamed about hurting James and Sirius regularly. Or else why would he invent the spell Harry later used on Draco? He went after James just as much. James was a bully and obnoxious. But he spent most of his time learning to be an animagus for his werewolf bestie and excelling at being a Seeker. He didn’t spend all of his time brooding and thinking about hating others. Snape lashes out at Lily calling her the magical equivalent of the n word. I wouldn’t believe a guy really loved me if he insulted me for standing up for him. Of course Lily chose James.
James was a keeper in the book
@@nurjahanbegum7581 Neither of you are right, he was a chaser. (source: pottermore/rowling herself)
@@swordiexd No he was a seeker in the 1st movie when Harry becomes a seeker Hermione told him “it’s in ur blood” and shows Harry that his dad was a seeker
"Probably" ? U not even sure. So u said bullying is right things huh. Gross using people as entertainment.
@@lingdumpling5967 I’m not justifying bullying. I’m only saying it wasn’t one sided. Getting bullied isn’t an excuse for being a hateful racist bigot.
I read a tweet somewhere that said: Snape is like a Nazi who thinks the whole world is against him, since his Jewish Best Friend isn’t ok with him being a Nazi and because of that they stop being friends. There relationship was toxic even if he loved her.
Don't trust people like them, they are left extremists!
@Justin C not until 7th grade
@Justin 7 She's not a psychiatrist dude, if he had issues it wasn't her call to solve them
@Justin 7 doesn't make sense but ok
@Justin 7 exactly,I thought I was the only one who saw that she really didn't try to understand what he was really going through personally as a friend,she approached everything in a black and white view around her just like James ironically , that was apart of the problem .she talked about how his associates was being a bad influence yet she couldn't see that she was also being influenced by HER friends obviously.its like she wanted him to abandon his associates but yet she kept hers around despite what they thought of him in a bad way and deep down liked James despite knowing he liked hexing Snape.
James: entered Hogwarts a spoiled, immature punk....left Hogwarts a loyal, brave friend
Snape: entered Hogwarts a moody, anger filled loser.....left Hogwarts a moody, anger filled loser off to join a cult
That’s why Lily chose James.
It’s stupid how lily chose James a bully to Snape one of her closest friends yes he changed but he never apologized to Snape or anything and lily knew Snape loved her and Snape didn’t leave as a moody angry loser he left as a brave person who sold his live to protect Harry and lily and Dumbledore
@@meowchuu7185 for me, while Snape was brave in what he did, he didn't do anything to protect harry. He just wanted to protect the memory of Lily. He never protected Harry because he was a good person and protecting a kid was the right thing to do, in the first year he did that because he owed James... Lily only stopped talking to Snape after he called her a mudblood, after she tried to help him... he would've always become a death eater. He only betrayed Voldemort when he knew that Voldemort was going after Lily's son, and even then only did so because Voldemort didn't said that he wouldn't hurt Lily....
Bunny Kyum he only changed after Voldemort let it be known he was going to kill Lily. Doesn’t change the fact that he became a death eater immediately after leaving school.
@Ruturaj Shiralkar Buddy, the Death Eaters have a stated aim to brutally murder anyone 'unworthy' of blood. Snape joining the Death Eaters to impress Lily is like someone joining Hamas to impress Israel, and it makes Snape a credulous moron.
@Ruturaj Shiralkar Snape was Dumbledore's spy. He was also spectacularly bad at it. Voldemort had won, and Rowling had to turn someone hailed as the greatest evil mastermind of the age into a drooling imbecile.
Voldemort: "So this kid facetanked two Killing Curses? Well, third time's the charm!"
According to lines, Lupin said Snape and James had this back and forth, jinxing each other frequently- it was mutual.
The difference was that James grew up and got mature while Snape did not. She tried to tell Snape to leave behind his friends who were openly planning to be Death Eaters and to stop hating other Muggle-borns, she was the only one who he did not regularly call Mudblood.
James grew up to be a much better person, joining the order and gaining respect from those he worked with.
Yeah. That was lupin's view. It if a fact that he was involved in bullying snape with james and sirius. So what he says is not really reliable.
@@류호성-v6h Exactly.
@@류호성-v6h Actually it is reliable and for the facts Remus never bullied.
@@류호성-v6h snape’s view is not reliable either
@@류호성-v6h But the view of the guy who literarly bullied children as a 30+ year old man and was too immature to move past one woman he had a crush on is school is reliable?
Gtfo of here
When lily and james died and became ghosts, I wonder how they both reacted when they saw Snape at Godric's Hollow hugging Lily?
When does that happen ?
I.wonder how they managed to age as ghosts because they died at 22 and they look 40 in the movies...like wtf? xD
@@laetitia9437 when he arrives before sirius and finds lily and james's corpses
That would be awkward
They didn't become ghosts. They went straight to wherever wizards go. nearly headless Nick said that.
There's something else as well. Kind of proof that Snape never had a real shot with Lily. The patronus takes the form of your soul. Lily's was a Doe, while James' was a stag. That is actual proof that Lily and James were Soulmates. They were actually destined to be together.
let’s be honest, Snape in the 21st century would be such an incel...
Yes he would
Lol
How? He never tried to push Lily into a relationship with him or complain that he deserved Lily. Quite the opposite actually. He felt unworthy of Lily and spent his whole life paying his perceived debt to her.
If anything, James, who was pushy and felt entitled to Lily, would be the incel, but I like James and don’t see him as that either.
@@pinkcripps2749 damn that actually is true
Pink Cripps To me, he was incredibly obsessed with Lily and never let go of her, showing a toxic behavior many times (explicitly telling Dumbledore he didn’t care if James and Harry died as long as Lily didn’t, cutting Harry and James off a picture so he could pretend Lily was smiling at him). Yes, he felt guilty later on and tried to “repay his debt”... but who was his debt to really? Lily because he “loved” her or Dumbledore because he owed him for hiding Lily?
I always thought that James didn’t really bully Snape, but they were rather rivals. Snape and James’ relationship is compared to Harry and Draco’s relationship. Harry and Draco were clearly rivals - Harry didn’t bully Draco and Draco didn’t bully Harry. If all you had seen of Harry and Draco’s rivalry was Draco petrifying Harry, stomping on his face and covering him with an invisibility cloak (in the half blood prince), it might appear that Draco is bullying Harry. If all you had seen was Harry using sectumsempra on Draco, it might seem that Harry bullied Draco. In swm Snape practically follows the marauders out of the exam hall and sits very near to them outside. This is not behaviour of someone who is being bullied. I used to be bullied. I would never go and sit near my bullies, I always stayed as far away from them as possible. James isn’t innocent but he’s not a bully.
James at his worse was a boy who thought hexing people was funny (hexes, not dark magic like Snape and his friends used on people). Not a good thing to be, but Snape at his worst was a death eater.
James at his best died trying to protect his wife and child, aged 21 and wandless against the most dangerous dark wizard of all time, gave Sirius a home when he escaped his parents and became an Animagus to help his werewolf friend. Snape at his best was a spy for Dumbledore who still bullied students (Neville, Harry, Hermione.)
Exactly! I have always said the exact same thing about the sectimsempra thing with Harry. Like I guess Harry must be a murderous psychopath because we saw one incident that taken alone show him doing something that almost killed someone. You can’t base something off of one memory without the entire context of a relationship between the two parties
James is a bully...this is not an excuse,he would’ve just leave him alone, snape’s a good kind person but he just doesn’t know how to show it,he’s MISUNDERSTOOD like dracoo.. and when harry did the sectumsempra he acted like his father And I didn’t like that from him
@@jayjayy7975 Harry didn't know what the spell did and used it as defense
J u d i t h 彡 lol no draco and Snape are not misunderstood. Both had clear disdain for muggles and muggleborns. Snape isn’t really good or kind
Kefou Kefak exactly. He stayed bitter and angry for over 20 years. I was bullied and I would never treat their kids the way snape treats Harry. Plus snape didn’t treat people good either which is why James and Sirius went after him. He wasn’t just some innocent little baby who never hurt a fly and big bad Sirius and James came and constantly bullied him. Give me a break lol
I disagree. Snape might have had a chance with Lily, if he wasn't friends with Mulciber and Co. Remember that they had a disagreement about that. She didn't understand what he saw in them, and described whatever Mulciber did to Mary Someone as dark magic. I think he lost any chance of being more than friends when he described whatever it was as "a laugh". The text of the books also suggest that the Snape/Marauders problem wasn't one sided. He basically stalked Remus in particular to find out what was wrong with him, and was always generally following them around to get them in trouble. Lily even asked Snape why he was so obsessed with them. I don't think Snape was the innocent little flower so many people make out. He never more dark spells when he first went to Hogwarts than any student already there. How would anyone know that, unless he was using them?
Mary Mc Donald. I totally agree with you.
he wasn't a flower he was a death eater in making and hated muggleborns (except for lily)
Frances Powell Er.... just try to remember that abuse affects the mind and perspective too 😅
I mean, its a little hypocritical of her, which I think is interesting. Snape cant be friends with the nastier element of his house but she can be friends with his personal bullies..
@@user_.b but she wasn't, at that time. Her descriptor of him was frequently "Arrogant Toerag", which hardly denotes any kind feelings. Sirius and Remus made it pretty clear that nothing happened between Lily and James until he pulled his head out of his arse.
I don't think Snape ever had a chance. Sure he introduced her to magic, however they started arguing early in Hogwarts because of his liking for the Dark Arts, which she despises. That's why calling her a Mudblood was the last straw.
But it's like Sirius and Remus said, James was a good guy and just had to grow up.
"Why did Lily choose James?"
Because James became a good person and Snape became an incel Nazi? It's pretty simple....
@Ruturaj Shiralkar actually it was snape's constant spying on James and his friends and house rivalry and his involvement in dark magic that lead to james's dislike of snape. It wasn't just james. It was a long drawn rivalry and stuff
@Ruturaj Shiralkar did you know the spell james used to hang snape upside down was ultimately invented by Snape. Snape was into dark magic. And lilly and james had nothing to do with it. James hated dark magic
@Ruturaj Shiralkar My point is nothing was unprovoked. None of them is innocent. Did you forget that snape was going to hex James in the very next moment. Its just overexaggeration.
@Ruturaj Shiralkar When their rivalry started, it was from Snape insulting James after James expresses that he’d rather leave then go to Slytherin, and in retaliation we see Sirius defend him:
“…I think I’d leave, wouldn’t you?” James asked the boy lounging on the seats opposite him, and with a jolt, Harry realized that it was Sirius.
Snape made a small, disparaging noise.
James turned on him. “Got a problem with that?”
“No,” said Snape, though his slight sneer said otherwise. “If you’d rather be brawny than brainy - ”
“Where’re you hoping to go, seeing as you’re neither?” interjected Sirius.”
@Ruturaj Shiralkar its mostly James who is judged very harshly, not snape. As I said above. None of them were innocent.
There is always a pattern that you will find that James is just rataliating.
I know I’m a year late lol, but I feel that we don’t hold Lilly accountable enough. She was a complacent bystander in this situation. It always feels like she knew what snape was going through, but didn’t care enough.
She did try talking to him.
Yeah, people always fight over which was right, James or Snape, but forget that Lily was just standing there seeing thw two sides with her own eyes and did nothing to interfere in bullying situation.
Instead of asking why Lily chose James over Snape, we should instead ask why she chose James over literally anyone else. It's obvious why she would have chosen literally anyone over Snape.
Hell, we don't even have to do any character analysis to speculate about that, because the books literally come right out and tell us point-blank why she stopped liking Snape. She and Severus may have been best friends until their fifth year, but she eventually came to see that he was just as evil and dark as the future death eaters he would eventually join the ranks of. So speculating why she didn't like Snape would be like having a video titled "Fan Theory: Catching the Snitch Ends a Quidditch match."
Exactly!!! Why James? There was no anyone else?!?!
@@bestfly8558
We never really got a book on Lily and Snape's seventh year, so it's not like we can judge the character change and whether it's a good one or not.
What we can say is that Lily liked him later in her seventh year and they finally started dating
A factor that could help is that he helped Lupin financially, and became an animagi (a rather hard process) to help him, let Sirius move in, etc
He grew up. He changed for the better. Took a stand when the war began to hit home. Cared deeply for his people as we see with the Marauders.
James wasn’t a bad person just a bit of a bully when he was a stupid kid. We don’t get a play by play of their relationship or seventh year when Lily finally went for it but again with the war and finally growing up we can assume the dynamic slowly changed and she fell for him.
Randomness 101 still doesn’t justify his gross r/niceguy behaviour towards her in the beginning.
Magic Guy
Again we don’t actually know that much and secondly they were like twelve in the beginning
Lily always saw Snape as a friend, same with Hermione to Harry.
So is that the reason why J.K. Rowling regrets, that she didn't pair Harry and Hermione ?
@Setayesh Walid
Draco and Hermione would be the best pairing...💖
Konan x Hidan she doesn’t regret the decision if you listen to the interview, she says that Ron and Hermione would work with some counselling also Harry and Hermione would work in some areas but not all.
Finally in the 6th book (I believe) harry called hermione to be boring around so that doesn’t sound like a relationship that would last long does it
A mud blood is no friend!
No offence
I think everyone saw Hermione and Harry as more of siblings/best friends. I don’t know why everyone is shipping them! Like bruh.
The video makes it seems like Snape had no friends and James and his friends kept “bullying and bullying until Snape started to fight back.” I don’t recall that being in the books, it was a mutual dislike from both sides from the beginning on the Hogwarts expressed. And Sirius even said snape never gave up the chance to hex James once James started to “mature” so even then it was ongoing.
I’m not sticking up for James bc what he would do (especially 4 vs 1) was wrong but snape wasn’t this lonely misunderstood victim. Even one of the reasons Lily stopped being friends because of the friends snape had
@Kefou Kefak James also took in Sirius when Sirius ran away.
It’s literally said in the book that snape and James hexed each other at every opportunity. The pea king/bullying was a two way thing they where both as bad as each other
In the books, James has black hair.
In the films, James has brown hair.
WHAT?
Cuz the book to movie wormhole changes a lot of things
Harrys green eyes... hmmmm
casting is difficult, plus not everything has to be exactly as written. James' hair is such a small detail no one notices it
terrible things happen to wizards who meddle with time.
It may look brown but believe me I have black hair and if light reflects on it, it turns brown
So James may have had black hair but in the light it could’ve been brown or the cast could’ve been different...
Title says “Why Lily Chose James over Snape”
Answer: because she loves James. End of story.
I don’t get why people are so hung up over why she didn’t love Snape. Jeez, she can love whoever she likes! Just because Snape loved her doesn’t mean she has to love him back.
No need to be so reductive, that argument takes in no consideration of their history of friendship. You cant view love so linearly, its not something that pops out of no where, its something that develops over time that you then suddenly become aware of.
Thank you!
I mean like yea but it hurt snape alot
Basically Snape made it impossible for Lily to love him because his selfishness defined his younger self while James made it easy by proving later in life she made the right decision to choose him. James showed Lily his genuine, caring, self sacrificing character while she lived, Snape only learned these traits after Lily's death shaped him into the secret hero he is.
Tbh I never understood one moment - why did Lily have to fall in live with Snape? 🤷♀️
He was her friend in childhood but this doesn't make it obvious tgat she had to fall in love with him.
That's why I'm always so amused when people make all this deep research to understand why Lily chose Snape when in fact there was no choice at all ☝️
She just had Severus as a friend and fell in love with James - she didn't choose between them because she never thought about Sev as about a romantic possibility.
Also in my opinion it's just absurd when people say that "oh, she loved him, but when he called her mudblood she just stopped and went for James" 🙄🙄🙄
First of all, if she did love Snape, that wouldn't be enough for her to stop, secondly, according to her behaviour after the incident, she was disappointed in Snape as in friend - there was no love there.
The whole point is that James was never a bully - just a popular young boy, who liked a girl and wanted to attract her attention and being silly like all young boys in love, did silly things.
While Snape continued to be angry, gloomy, passive and interested in dark arts. He never cared to express his love for Lily, never cared to change to match her, to make at least some effort - from his point of view she should have stayed with him just because he wanted it 🤦♀️ it's insincere and unfair.
Moreover, Lily obviously understood Snape's advances and never acted upon them - never supported his claims - this is called friendzone, guys 🤷♀️
Lily never loved Severus and never would've loved him and he loved the idea to love her.
True
Tatiana Sobchenko agree
sure james was a bully... i dont know what else you could call it... im not a friend of "why she chose james over snape" too, i actually never thought of it before but i really dont like james at all i think hes an arrogant selfish person..
@@lisakiara10 I think that James is misunderstood because tbh we never really got his pov or got to know him. Sirius also bullied Snape but most of the people love him because we got to know his character
@@ashwinidubey8507 sure, youre right, its just my opinion of james, even in part 1 in the mirror he looked unlikeable to me and with the whole james severus story the feeling only amplified
Harry’s first words about snape: “who’s that man?”
Harry’s last words about snape: *”the bravest man I ever knew”*
Did he just.......... AnSwEr HiS oWn QuEsTiOn??? like wtf??
Stolen comment.
@@Deluluissolulumadman I wrote this 8 months ago lol I couldn’t care less💀
I don’t think Lily knew the full extent of Severus’ feelings but I’m sure she had thought about them as a couple from time to time. He was a good friend of hers and knew her history as she knew his. I think if Severus had been honest she would have given him a chance especially since she was a free agent who had no interest in anything but her studies. It would have been a pleasant surprise. But..... Severus felt he gave more to their friendship than she did because his expectations and feelings were entirely different, along with their pursuits. Their differences could have been overcome and changes made for the better but Severus Snape is a classic antihero. His love for Lily was his only redeeming quality. He allowed hatred and resentment to possess his heart, and even in the death of James Potter it never wavered. His dislike for James was stronger than his love for Lily, his treatment of Harry in the 6yrs he was his pupil shows that. Alan Rickmans portrayal of Severus Snape isn’t accurate to the books, even though the man was brilliant! He was the only reason I have any affection toward Severus Snape at all! People are quick to forget the mans abusive behavior, he should never had been allowed to teach, he was a bully. His love for Lily gave him the strength to be a double agent and fool Voldemort until the end and thankfully his one hero mission outshines all of the terrible he did.
You can't blame Lily for Snape's choices. It was his decision alone to become a death eater. Period. She can't be held responsible for him and his issues. I will agree that what he did in the end by playing both sides was brave, but nothing, no speculations, no fan theories, no empathy towards him can change the fact that he callled his oldest friend a Mudblood, that he set her a d family up to die, that he never cared if the child that carried her blood lived, and that he treated that child and a multitude of other CHILDREN in his care as a professor with daily abuse. He was a horrible man and Lily made the right choice.
No matter the friend or person, she tried to tell him to get slapped around by his bully for the sake of her own ideals about magic, what type of friend does that?
@@DestroAzureDx she didn't tell him to get slapped around by his bully. Where did you get that?
@@francespowell6923 both servus and James fought eachother, but at the time she was severus's friend so she told him to stop fighting James
There were like 278 people to choose from besides Snape and James but Lily went for the jackass bully
@@DestroAzureDx did you ever read the books? If yes, re-read Deathly Hallows at least.
he just got FRIENDZONED it's fine.
LOL
But even their friendship was broken.
He really needs to move on.
@@mariarosettevivo07 Snape to Lilly: And IIIIIIIHEEYIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
@@mariarosettevivo07 ik I love him but still it's no reason to live your whole life in the shadow and to bully your crush and bully's son. He should get over it, everyone gets rejected🤣
wait a min. Was McGonagahl a teacher when Lilly and Snape were young?
Wow she must be aging very slowly then.
She was born in 1935 and snape was born in 1960
Wizards and witches live longer. Dumbledore was 111 when the series starts and is pretty spry in OotP and HBP.
She's been teaching at Hogwarts for 50 years ( order of phoenix )
@@phe_rh4462 actually, her real birth date in unknown canonically and as she appears in fantastic beasts she has to be even older. I would say she is only slightly younger than dumbledore and that he started as a teacher at hogwarts pretty young around when she started as a student.
When people say Snape is a hero in the series, I always think of that moment in GoF when Malfoy and Harry duel and Hermione and Goyle both get hit. Snape turns round and tells Hermione, whose teeth are now down to her neck in length, that he sees no difference.
He humiliates students time and time again, and his love for Lily has nothing to do with his treatment of students like Hemrione and Neville.
@shikhar the teachers all treated the students equally bad. Snape treated all the non slytherin students especially bad. And just because the other teachers insulted students doesnt mean it excuses snape's behaviour. And also McGonagall and Flitwick were not any of the students boggarts. Only snape. Snape was an asshole
Good things James did before he matured and became a better person: Befriend Sirius despite the fact that his whole family was full of evil dark wizards. Befriend Peter, a boy was less talented and less good looking as he was. Befriend Remus, a poor sick boy with scars on his face. And then not leave him when he found out Remus was a werewolf. And what was Snape doing all this time? Calling muggle-borns mudbloods, becoming friends with future Death Eaters and thinking it's funny when said future death eaters use dark magic to attack Muggle-born students. He was clearly prejudiced against Muggles before he ever got to Hogwarts. He told Lily it didn't matter if Petunia hates her because she's only a Muggle. Snape used his magic to make a tree branch fall on Petunia's head. James may have bullied Snape, but that's just one person. Snape abused his position of authority as a teacher to bully every single Hogwarts student who wasn't a Slytherin. He was so much of a bully he became one of his student's worst fears. Snape joined the Death Eaters, a group of of people dedicated to torturing and murdering Muggle-borns and Muggles. James joined the group that was dedicated to fighting that evil. Snape turned against them sure, but he only did that because Lily died. We have no proof that he ever changed his bigoted viewpoints. So clearly, I think James was the better person, but I didn't need to say anything I just said. Because at the end of that day it doesn't matter who the better person was. She chose James because she fell in love him. She never loved Snape romantically. It's the same reason Hermione chose Ron over Harry. She was in love with Ron, not Harry.
bajbhdkn again remember his background please. You’re not seeing the full picture
@@gracekim25
You are the type of Person who defends racist and school shooters!! Many people who like snape dont realise that they wouldnt do it if he was real person.
Bad upbringing or Mental state dont justify doing Bad Things.
@@gracekim25 I remember his background and it's still no excuse to be asshole just as Voldemort's bad childhood is no excuse for his actions either.
@@malle3155 Bad upbringing is a different thing. It can effect. But when it comes to mental state, I think there are hospitals for mental people.
@@puneetsingh2772
My whole point is the defending, loving and romanticizing of fictional characters like Snape. People do it because their not real and thats okay (i have some darks Characters i like too) , but stop trying to defend him, that doenst work in real life! Its about a fictional character but People always discuss like it would be in the Real World, because we put ourself in the Positions.
its like someone trying to justify a Nazi to me that have killed but changed.
Him exploding at Lily, in my opinion, was not what sent her to James. I think, if anything, it was an excuse for her to go toward James, who she likely always had a crush on.
I think Lily always kinda crushed on James but found him too arrogant and bullying. At least that's definitely the vibe I got from it. I think she thought he was arrogant, but funny. I think she found him attractive, while she didn't find Snape attractive.
I think she knew he had feelings. These things usually show. But I think she didn't reciprocate those feelings. And I think she didn't want to break his heart or hurt him, so, maybe inadvertently, she sorta strung him along.
I always felt really bad for Snape. But, at the same time, his bitterness toward Harry always felt completely unjustified to me. Snape was really kind of a dick. Got a rough end of the stick his entire life, but there's strength in not letting that turn you into a bitter human being.
This kid really should have left to the US. England was nothing but toxic for him, nothing but abuse and abandonment around him. He had the potential to be a prize winning scientist and was completely wasted due to abusive parents, negligent teachers, hydraulic peer pressure, and poor choices.
Bethany McMurtrey so damn true this man was a genius at potions and could have made advancements
Bethany McMurtrey why the US?
Suzanne cause in the USA and Canada even if you're ugly if you have a posh British accent you can still get chicks 😁
Snape was never a villain. He was just broken. He loved Lily so much, that James couldn't even imagine. When he were looking at Harry, he was full of hate because he reminded him James. But he knew he had his mother personality. He loved Harry because he had Lily's blood in him
Incorrect, he didn't LOVE Lily, he was obsessed with her. Very different thing. James loved her. One of them is healthy and the other is definitely not.
@Sord IT why do you call Snape's feelings obsession? What makes you think that way?
@@swordiexd obsession is when u stalk a person around.... Something that serial killers have and do for their exes. Let's not confuse pure love with an obsession.
You do forget that James DIED for Lily and Harry. Like he literalyl tanked Voldemort without a wand, just to give his wife and son a chance at surviving. Plus he is alays stablished as a good guy, while Snape was always a bad person. James did not discriminate Remus for being a werewolf. Snape loathed Mudbloods (Lily says that he did nto reffer to her as one, but only her, the others were mudbloods) Snape befriended Peter. And all accounts show that the only person James seemed to have problems was Snape and Snape retaliated in kind. Simple fact is James was a better duelist than Snape, that is why he got the best of him at every encounter. All of this without adding the fact that James became a better person while Snape became worse.
@@facundogonzalez5453 I just said my opinion relax dude
you know the drill, childhood friends always lose
*harry, ron and hermione has left the chat*
😢
Snape didn't respect Lily. He just wanted her. Never a good way to earn affection.
It isn't true , Snape's patronous was a doe same as lily which represent undying love
@@priyankashukla3725 no jkr herself said that having MATCHING patronuses like Lilly and James (stag and doe) means true love she revealed that snape having the same patronus represents obsession. If u think obsession is true love. Go read a book on physiology because that's not how it works.
@@elvishh8036 I've read somewhere that Snape's love for Lily was really pure and they meant to be cuz just like how Tonks's patronus has changed it form to match with Remus, that's how Lily and Snapes' works. And James and Lily wasn't supposed to ended up together or they said that James's the one who obsessed with Lily or smthg and i was like, "someone pls deny this" 😂😥
@@nabihahramli3368 it's so fake. Jkr said the facts herself in an interveiw and told a person on Twitter that Lilly really loved James. (Also remus' patrons isn't a wolf so.... )
@@elvishh8036 thank you!! But still, Tonks's Patronus still same with Remus like?
I think there is no girl in the whole world that doesn't realize how a boy loves her..I think all girls do realize that. But not all of them appreciate it or prefer it or even believe it..
Snape joined a gang of Death Eater wannabes. His buddies and him bullied other students by using Dark Magic. He called muggle borns 'mudbloods'. Lily did her best to let those things go for years. But when he scored Lily with that word, he destroyed their chances completely.
Snape has absolutely no excuses. He followed James and his friends everywhere, trying to get them expelled. Snape deserved everything James threw at him.
Sirius Black's life was no different from Snape's but Sirius chose the Light Path. Snape had the same choice and chose the Dark Path.
James Potter was simply a popular teenager, with good talents and he walked the same path as Lily. He even saved Snape's life once. We all know Snape would never do the same for James.
Snape didn’t exactly love Lily he had an obsession with her rather then wanting a relationship with her
@sage he had no respect for her or muggleborns and he outright insulted her friends . That is definitely not love..just obsession. Lily did the right thing
@sage well it was obsession. He didnt care for her friends or her kind. He didnt respect her either
@sage bruh there is most definitely a difference between love and obsession.Besides lily wasnt interested
@sage and thats not love either? I dont think i call people i love slurs
@sage uuh respecting their boundaries,decisions and not being mean to their friends and loved ones??
I like the character of Severus Snape more than James Potter.Although James is good and sacrificed himself for the sake of his family,Severus is better.He is much more efficient as a wizard than James and his love for Lily was as real as James' ; It was only the fact that he suppressed his feelings that gave James an upperhand,else Lily could have easily been his.Snape becomes a double agent on Dumbledore's word only because he wanted to protect her son Harry,and although he was inclined towards Dark magic,he never used it to harm anyone - not even James who bullied him so much(He could have killed James in an instant with the Sectumsempra curse,which he invented himself).Snape has gone through a lot - an abusive father who mistreated his mother,a girlfriend who left him,being bullied by James and siding with the Dark Lord reluctantly - but still the fact that he chose the bright side despite all these makes him a fan favourite.Snape's only bad side is that he is vindictive,as evidenced by his continuous bullying of Harry,but then hey,even he is a human.
He isnt a human he is a wizard he just has the same feelings of a human
He was not a greater capable wizard to James. James was one of the most brilliant students Hogwarts had ever seen.
He joined the dark lord not reluctantly, but proudly. He used his position of power to consistently bully students. Snape did the bare minimum in relations to fulfilling his life debts to the Potters, hell, he is half the reason why Lily and James died.
James and Snape had a rivalry sort of like Draco and Harry’s nether bullied each other,
Lily was never his girlfriend and he proudly joined The Death Eaters, he admitted it to Lily himself before she officially broke it off
She chose James because he changed for the better while Snape chose the dark arts. James took in Sirius when he left home and would’ve been homeless. He stood by Remus when he found out he was a werewolf and dedicated 2 years to becoming an animagus to make Lupin’s full moon experiences better. He was never prejudice about blood status. He never took an interest in the dark arts or wanted to join Voldemort/death eaters. He joined the order to fight against Voldemort. We never see James between the ages of 15 - 21. But we know that dumbledore chose James to be head boy which means he must’ve matured during his last 2 years at Hogwarts. We never get to see James POV, only Snape’s so the memories are primarily bias. If Snape had not taken an interest in the dark arts and was not prejudice against muggle borns then Lily might’ve taken an interest in him. Lily was not required to love Snape. This mentality that a woman needs to date a man because they have feelings for her is disgusting. It wasn’t a choice between James and Snape. She fell in love with James in her 7th year after James matured and showed her he was worthy of her affection.
Snape changed too. The poor guy literally was a double agent for Dumbledore. Not only that he protected the students at Hogwarts during the reign of Voldemort. Yes James matured . I always say nice guys finish last. Which that pushed Snape towards the dark arts. To him that was his solace. Lily didn’t have to date can’t them. But she choose the arrogant bully James. Who became the man he was supposed to be. But so did Snape who actually saved the Wizard world.
@@fadhiliwashburn7437 Snape was not a good guy dude. He was an obsessive incel stalker wizard neo nazi, ten times worse than James ever was.
Here's a few examples of what he did, just when he was in school (he gets way worse when he leaves school):
1. He knew more about dark arts at age 11 than most do at age 17. Clearly showing an interest in dark arts, even as a small child.
2. Hurt Lily's suster the first time he talked to them, AFTER STALKING THEM FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. This is literarly stated as a fact in the books.
3. Joined a blood supremacy puritan group despite his supposed "love" interest being part of the group they wanted to rule over and subjugate. He was literarly a wizard neo nazi by age 16.
4. Wanted to join wizard Hitler and the actual wizard nazis after leaving school, was proud of this and didn't even deny it in front of Lily (yes babe, I wanna join the group that wants your kind to be our foot stools, now pls like me, kay)
5. Created lethal dark magic to hurt his bullies (sectumsempra is the wizarding world equevalent of the quiet kid bringing a knife to his school to stab his bullies with).
7. Defended his nazi buddies to Lily, even after they did "unspeakable things" to some poor girl (idk about you but that sounds like r**e or torture or both to me).
And that's just in school, before he became an official death eater.
I read a theory that James didn't acualy change because he liked Lilly. He changed because of Sirius. When Sirius left his family and went to the Potters, it was a very hard time for him. And so James did his best to keep him happy. Eventually he started changing and maturing because that was who Sirius needed at that time. And because he changed Lilly started seeing a new side to James. I like this theory a lot because is shows that Kames was not a bad person, he just made bad choices.
I don't remember where I read it but I don't think I gave this amazing theory justice. I'm done 😁
It’s Snapes own fault, Lily deserved much better then Severus, like the people defending him can only use the excuse of his abuse or him having nobody but her. That isn’t Lily’s fault, I’m glad she fell for James, James is such an underrated character.
That's why he kept apologizing to Lily from the depths of his soul. What got in the way after was just dark arts interest.
It isn't completely Snape's fault the upbringing of a person changes there phsycology to were certain things are harder or different than it would be for any other people
James stared picking on Snape for no reason, and even became more malicious in his bullying when he noticed Snape's romantic feelings for Lily. James had even threatened to hex Snape if Lily didn't go out with him. (But still proceeded to do so anyway) and for Lily to tell Snape to turn the other cheek and not retaliate when nobody would do anything to stop this bullying behavior and she herself had never been subjected to is the most self righteous garbage I've ever heard! I don't care if he got better when he got older, the fact that he never apologized or tried to make up for it will always make James Potter a jerk in my eyes and Lily as a stuck up enabler. As someone who was bullied herself both James and Lily's behavior really rubbed me the wrong way and maybe if she herself had experienced bullying herself and didn't lash out I wouldn't be as harsh on her. Snape will always be the better character for continuing to save Harry despite what his parents did to him. I part of me always wondered if Harry had been a girl and resembled more of Lily would she have been treated better by Snape? Who knows.
Shut the hell up about James, he wasn't a shitty person his whole life. James isn't responsible for Snape being a Death Eater, in fact Snape was already prejudiced against muggles before attending Hogwarts. The only difference between James and Snape is that James grew up whereas Snape didn't, something that an obnoxious Snape fan like yourself will NEVER understand. James was a lot more braver and ten times the person than Snape ever was. Also, James never 'took' or 'stole' Lily from Snape, Snape was the one who drove Lily away. Lily CHOSE to be with James, something you Snape apologist/fans are jealous.
The one thing I will say about Snape though is he never really changed. Harry aside, he was a jerk to most of his students, look at how he treated Neville, as far as we know Neville’s parents didn’t do anything to him and yet he’s still an ass.
Fun fact: you aren't watching the video in full screen.
What
Lily loved Snape but was IN love with James. She friend zoned him from the get go. I don't think she had a clue. It's funny what we can ignore when we don't want to see it. One word will forever make me cry...... "Always". His love remained till his death. And Severus saying at the end "You have your mothers eyes".
"separate houses in hogwarts"
Me: And out of hogwarts :D
I personally never saw Snape as the good person for this reason
He was Nevile's GREATEST fear a teacher
For normal kids this is already bad but Nevile's parents were tortured to insanity but his greatest fear is still a teacher not the people who tortured his parents
Sure Snape helped Dumbledore and the Order but he also abused his job as a teacher
This is why u cant make him good, he bullied kids, but you cant make him bad, he died to help the Order
This is just my own opinion
white wolf that’s exactly what I think
Totally agree!
Exactly people tend to forget that
But there ain't no choice to do!! What nonsense is that title?? She didn't chose James over Snape. She started to date James 2 years after her amity with Snape ended. I don't see any "choice". Snape was just her FRIEND, she never been in love with him. 😑😑😑
Did you even watch the video?! She did choose James over Snape because there was a possibility of her being romantically involved with Snape. And if you're going to judge other peoples' work, maybe learn proper grammar first.
Of course I watch it, and I just re-re-re-read Deathly Hallows. There wasn't any possiblility of her being romantically involved with Snape! Absolutely nothing, probabilité 0/1000. For her, since the beginning, he was just a FRIEND, zéro romantic feelings. Merci beaucoup et au revoir.
@@gayouj-b3554 JK Rowling, the author, said that there was a chance that they could have been romantically involved if Snape didn't become immersed in the dark arts. So are you trying to argue with canon?
Anyways , Snape was involve into dark arts since his 1st year at Hogwarts. So, romantic feelings from Lily were dead before been born😂😂😂
Honestly there is a very simple answer to this. Just because you see someone for who they are and appreciate them, doesn't mean you're attracted to them as a romantic partner. In a nutshell: the friendzone exists and it's not necessarily a malicious thing. She was just more attracted to the jock guy of his own house.
Because she loved him and merry Christmas to you and everyone who watches Harry potter folklore
James was a badass,
Snape was an insecure nice guy.
Probably one reason for the choice
This is partly snape and the sorting hat's fault. Lily was sorted into gryffindor first so snape should have some thoughts of wanting to join her there enough for the hat to pick up but nope! And then the hat should have spotted the poor upbringing of snape and the potential change love could bring into his character but instead it pushed him into the slytherin path. Of course being sorted into gryffindor would have removed lucius malfoy's influence over snape and james and co. would have more opportunities to interact with snape enough to see him for more than the weird nerdy kid. If james could keep a no good all around loser like peter (wtf was he sorted into gryffindor anyway?!?) then snape would have been a significant upgrade.
Because you are not sorted based on where your crush is and just because they aren't in the same house doesn't mean they are automatically enemies and Peter is a Gryffindor because he values courage in others despite being a cowardly traitor
True. Part of the reason James hated Snape was his self-righteous hatred for Slytherin and dark arts. If Snape was Gryffindor, he'd probably not see him as evil and might include him like Peter. He befriended Remus because he liked his kindness and quiet sense of humor. He befriended Peter because Remus asked to include Peter and he appreciate that kindness. If Remus did the same for Snape, James would probably include Snape too.
@@chendror872 I'd like to think that snape's sorting was like harry's. He had gryffindor and slytherin qualities (from dumbledore saying "i think they sorted too early" to snape) if harry didn't choose to be in slytherin just because he heard of its bad reputation, then snape would also have chosen slytherin over gryffindor just because he thinks gryffindors had the reputation of being all brawn with no brains from the dialogue with james before the sorting and lily being there did not make him change his mind so he ultimately chose slytherin. Being in the same house meant you were in the same classes all the time. No matter how annoying james was, lily could not escape his antics until she saw something good in him. Snape did not have this opportunity. Sucks that he didn't find another anchor to the good side.
Alright, I'm about to rant. If you like Snape, and don't take criticism well, please scroll past this comment and have a great day.
Still here? Alright. Here we go.
Snape was a greasy, bullying incel. Yes, he did end up joining the right side in the end. Yes, Harry was able to defeat Voldemort with his help.
But by praising him, and calling him a 'hero' for those few good things he did, everyone is completely excusing everything else he did.
He's not an innocent little boy like so many Snape-stans make him out to be.
He too hexed and cursed James and Sirius whenever he could. It was a mutual rivalry, and Snape absolutely hated them.
And I'm not excusing James's actions at all, believe me.
But the difference between James and Snape is that, James eventually outgrew this childish rivalry. He matured. He became a better person, and actively worked to try and better himself, joining the order, helping fight the Death Eaters, etc.
Snape, however, remained a bitter, angry child. He never matured. Instead, he went in the wrong direction, and turned to the Dark Arts. He was also a blood purist, and didn't hesitate to use slurs- in our world, that's the equivalent of a racist person using racial slurs, like the N-word.
So what did he do? He went and joined like-minded individuals. He joined the Death Eaters.
Just let that sink in. He *willingly* joined the side that discriminated against people for their blood, their heritage, their DNA. The same people who, without a second thought, slaughtered innocent people solely because of their blood status. The same people who were responsible for countless deaths, countless broken families and traumatized people. He joined them because he wanted to, not because he was forced or anything. He genuinely wanted to join them. Ever think about that before?
Not to mention the fact that he was obsessed with Lily. What he had with her was not love, no matter how many biased memories of his you see. What he had was a one-sided, creepy obsession.
It's like he felt a sense of entitlement to her, almost. She was simply a little girl who showed Snape kindness and friendship. She doesn't owe him anything, yet everyone acts like she does, like she should be been with him just because he was obsessed with her, even though she never saw him as more than a friend. Sweetie, that's not real love. That's just creepy.
Still need more proof? Fine.
He tormented children *half his age* for years. Solely because he either had a personal grudge against them (like with Harry), or because they were not in Slytherin.
Remember Neville Longbottom? That sweet, innocent, brave boy?
He was bullied so badly by Snape for YEARS, to the point where Snape was Neville's greatest fear.
Can you imagine? Do you understand?
This means Neville feared *Snape* more than *Bellatrix Lestrange,* the Death Eater who tortured his parents. He feared his *professor* more then the women who nearly killed his parents, drove them to insanity, and put them in the hospital, forcing him to live with his grandmother until he grew up.
Do you have any idea how traumatizing that must've been for Neville? He was just a little kid, and Snape tormented him. I'm not even sure why, but there's no good reason for treating Neville the way he did.
And Neville's just one example. Just imagine the *dozens* of other students who've been terrorized by Snape.
And one of the worst parts? All those things he did that "redeemed" him? He *never* would've done any of it if Lily hadn't died. It took his 'love' *dying* for him to see that what he was doing was bad. If Lily hadn't died, he would've have carried on as a Death Eater, and remained on Voldemort's side. He would've continued doing all the bad thing's he has been, and I'm not 100% sure he would've even felt sorry about it.
Look, I do feel sorry for him in the end, nobody deserves to die like that.
And what he did was brave. Turning into basically a triple-agent? Betraying one of the scariest wizards in the whole wizard information world? That takes guts.
But you can be brave and still be a bad person.
Yes, thank you! I've never liked Snape, basically for all the reasons you listed. As for the triple agent thing, Snape was barely in any danger. Both sides thought they had Snape, so no matter who won, Snape won. If Voldemort hadn't used Nagini to kill Snape for possession of the Elder Wand, Snape would probably have gotten off again. He did just enough to avoid Azkaban if the Light side won and he would have been rewarded as a Death Eater if the Dark side triumphed.
I'm sorry, many of you think Snape is a good character because he's "complex," but in my opinion, Snape is nothing but an immature brat who should never be allowed in the same room as children, let alone Harry Potter.
Sometimes people don't love you back the same way, it doesn't matter how big your love for them is. As simple as that.
I hate when people glorify Snape. He called Lily a derogatory name two times in the book and you wonder why she didn’t return the feelings he had for her.
I mean granted she did tell him to basically endure bullying, snape was desperate for love be it through intimacy or just a friend and she wasnt a very good any of those
I love the way everyone glosses over the fact that he did have friends. They ALL went on to be death eaters. No one pays attention to the fact that he thought what Mulciber did to Mary was "a laugh". What was his plan with Remus? Everyone goes bananas about Sirius telling Snape how to get down the Whomping Willow, but Snape chose to go - and he already thought Remus was a werewolf. He was looking to either out Remus, or to "deal with" Remus and be (in his mind) a hero to the school. That's sick.
Both Snape and James were bullies, however James grew out of it and became a better person. Snape became bitter and angry, became a death eater, supported Voldemort, possibly killed many muggles, muggleborns and only switched sides and became a spy after he found out lily was being targeted were as if it was another couple and their baby he probably wouldn't have cared after all he told Voldemort the prophecy and later on bullied a bunch of children.
Because James wasn't a death eater
@Ruturaj Shiralkar luna was bullied too but didn't become a death eater
@Ruturaj Shiralkar true
@Ruturaj Shiralkar You think Snape never bullied anyone? He became a Death eater. He joined Voldemort. Lily despised this. Do you think it was cool to join Voldemort? How can you say thay agreeing to pan out to the utmost evil side where killing muggleborns was cool is the byproduct of bullying? Snape was okay with the fact that Avery and Mulciber and his other future death eater friends hexed Mary McDonald just for the fun of it. Snape was already on his path to join the dark lord well in his days at Hogwarts. He "accidentally" slipped that Professor Lupin was a werewolf. How do you validate the ever glorified Severus Snape here?
@Ruturaj Shiralkar Also I very much agree that James Potter was a prick and that if Snape chose the right path for Lily to see how much he loved her, things would have been different. That being said, the hatred against James Potter stems out from the fact that we know so very little about his character, we majorly see him as per Snape's POV. It would be like watching all the movies except the last one and hating Snape. That would be unfair. Just like it is for James.
Ruturaj Shiralkar a lot of people were bullied too and never became death eaters