@@ashb7846they get too caught up in courtroom drama. Jack was badgering her on the stand and the murder-she-wrote looking lawyer is incompetent. Even though Jack is one of the “good guys” he’s such a d***k that I enjoy when he loses a case
His attitude was certainly grating, but he was questioning a defendant. She would have automatically been considered 'hostile', which gives the questioner more leeway when conducting the examination. Still, there were points that he was going too far on. But, that was McCoy's style as ADA - push the envelope practically into the next zip code.
SVU was unwatchable 'preachy' 'victims-are-us' trash compared to the original L & O. It became the "Olivia Show"; I stopped watching very quickly. The early original L & O did not wear it's politics on it's sleeve all the time.
@@allanfifield8256are you serious? The original law and order justified a cop holding a gun to a man’s head to get her to confess. And you would agree with that?!
I stopped watching svu when it became the olivia show. Olivia buys a baby. Brooke shields steals the baby. Pornstache from orange is the new black is olivia's nemesis. Yada yada
only thing they had was a word… in todays world ofc they would never bc all you have to say is tht you were being raped and they believe you automatically
This was kind of a weird episode. The defense didn't bring up any marks on her wrist, signs of damage to her scalp, anything that would've proven she was harmed in any way. I think in the story ahe was supposed to be innocent, but with every piece of evidence and circumstance atacked against her.
Too much reasonable doubt. Not sure how this jury could have convicted her, but it probably had a lot to do with how McCoy framed his questioning. Either way, just fantastic L&O as usual. Can pick it up at any point in the episode and can watch a 10-min clip and feel like you watched the whole thing. 😊
Honestly the more I watch of this show the more I realize how much McCoy is a moralistic scumbag. His bias rules him in the courtroom, and both in fiction and out of fiction he treats himself and the writers treat him as some great and just crusader when he's hardly better than a corrupt DA
Idk, way too much reasonable doubt to convict her imo. However even though McCoy said "don't convict her because she's a prostitutes", I honestly think the jury took that heavily into account and that is why she was guilty. Even in the end Jamie questioned the Jury's reasoning and McCoy said he didn't care, just happy he won.
I've always hated McCoy, but especially when he was allowed in the courtroom. not once has he remained calm and professional, not once has he not done something that would have him disbarred in real life, and he does not hesitate to blame a victim for the crime committed against them. at the end of the day, he is a prosecuting attorney, and boy does he act like it
It's the Blue Lives Matter. I think Wolf is counting on us to hate him as a prosecutor and love the detectives. Will cops admit to learning stuff from Law & Order?.
“Where you from? Minnesota? West Virginia?” What the? I guess the Loo hasn’t heard her talk yet, because there is very little chance a native English speaker, from America, could not tell the difference in those accents. And then when she speaks, she’s clearly not from either of those places. I guess maybe the writer, the actors, the director, and everyone else in that room are all New York-lifers, because, day-umm…
wait... what... so let me get this straight. according to this particular jury, it's cool beans to grape a person? and then if she feels threatened, especially when he tells her that he would kill her, that she has no rights to defend herself or her family? the man threatened her telling her to become some guy's gf, that is graping someone and lso threating bodily harm, and yes i am saying grape for a reason. so i won't get youtube trouble. 8/
She was obviously sleeping with other dudes because her husband was a simp. How else could any man stay by her side after humiliating him and her children?
Guilty she lived the life that included the danger but wanted to manipulate the client to her terms .... he isn't here to tell his side of the story and live a normal life
One way or other you live by the standards by which you choose. Her emotions in the court can also contribute to her thinking about losing her family. I do not believe it was self defense. No evidence suggests she was being forced to. No marks on the wrist or head. It is her actions afterward that swayed the juries to find her guilty.
Question: I don't understand the title. She shot him because she didn't want a FENCE. JK. I was just referring to DeFENCE instead of DEFENSE. Spelling is important.
The way he questioned her should have got him in trouble with the judge, he was really out of line.
This. I shouted “objection” at my screen the same time the defendants lawyer did lol She could have done so a few times.
@@ashb7846they get too caught up in courtroom drama. Jack was badgering her on the stand and the murder-she-wrote looking lawyer is incompetent. Even though Jack is one of the “good guys” he’s such a d***k that I enjoy when he loses a case
Yes, but it was common back then.
@@jaimeduncan6167Not really, it may depend on the judge if course but they have rules
His attitude was certainly grating, but he was questioning a defendant. She would have automatically been considered 'hostile', which gives the questioner more leeway when conducting the examination. Still, there were points that he was going too far on. But, that was McCoy's style as ADA - push the envelope practically into the next zip code.
Can we talk about how different this episode would have gone on SVU
SVU was unwatchable 'preachy' 'victims-are-us' trash compared to the original L & O. It became the "Olivia Show"; I stopped watching very quickly. The early original L & O did not wear it's politics on it's sleeve all the time.
@@allanfifield8256Amen to all that you've said! I took always believed the original series was the best. 👍
Amen !
@@allanfifield8256are you serious? The original law and order justified a cop holding a gun to a man’s head to get her to confess. And you would agree with that?!
I stopped watching svu when it became the olivia show. Olivia buys a baby. Brooke shields steals the baby. Pornstache from orange is the new black is olivia's nemesis. Yada yada
“Oh, thanks-I might not have put that together…!”
Lennie, I love you. 😆
Too much reasonable doubt, a jury would never convict her
Unless they just don’t like prostitution.
Depends on the year, in the 90s they would convict, today they would not convict with a video. That is one of the issues with the jury system.
only thing they had was a word… in todays world ofc they would never bc all you have to say is tht you were being raped and they believe you automatically
I agree with you.
Unless you've been in the justice system for years you'd have no idea from region to region, state to state how any of this would go.😂
This was kind of a weird episode. The defense didn't bring up any marks on her wrist, signs of damage to her scalp, anything that would've proven she was harmed in any way.
I think in the story ahe was supposed to be innocent, but with every piece of evidence and circumstance atacked against her.
I guess if she had reported it and had herself examined, that evidence would have been available
Useless trivia: this episode was directed by Jace Alexander, a former D list actor who was later jailed for c.p.
I like how he was like it was that scary that you used lethal force?! Ehrmmm cops do it all the time for less scary situations 😭 like an acorn
Really Desperate Housewives
She wasn't a housewife. She was a businesswoman.
@@dobazajr and manager of a pizza restaurant
Too much reasonable doubt. Not sure how this jury could have convicted her, but it probably had a lot to do with how McCoy framed his questioning.
Either way, just fantastic L&O as usual. Can pick it up at any point in the episode and can watch a 10-min clip and feel like you watched the whole thing. 😊
fleeing the scene didn't help her case either but I agree
And the prejudices of the jury.
Honestly the more I watch of this show the more I realize how much McCoy is a moralistic scumbag. His bias rules him in the courtroom, and both in fiction and out of fiction he treats himself and the writers treat him as some great and just crusader when he's hardly better than a corrupt DA
Her only evidence that this was self-defense was her word. So he was entitled to cross-examine her rigorously.
@@boredlawyer3382 Even if thats the case, that doesn't make what I said not true.
In my opinion she acted in self defense
#MeToo
In defense of her life? Or in defense of her false reputation?
@@gawainethefirstboth.
She admitted she wasn't desperate for money. She loved her sick job
She was a hookah.
Any episode with Lenny Briscoe is awesome by me🎉🎉🎉
Indeed😎😎😎
I haven't seen the entire episode, but from this content it does not reach the extent of beyond a reasonable doubt...
Carolyn from 30 Rock as a lawyer was great to see. It’s very much her personality
Idk, way too much reasonable doubt to convict her imo. However even though McCoy said "don't convict her because she's a prostitutes", I honestly think the jury took that heavily into account and that is why she was guilty. Even in the end Jamie questioned the Jury's reasoning and McCoy said he didn't care, just happy he won.
You really learn in later seasons that MCoy isn’t really a great person.
Lol He had an empty holster."let me guess, no gun"
Yes genius, that's what empty holster means lol
It's a sin to sell your soul to help your children succeed, but University of Spoiled Children?
Irrelevant
@@dobazajr
Irreverent.
Psssst.. there's no thing as a soul.
@@creativewriter3887The Simpsons already did it
Guilty! 😠
I've always hated McCoy, but especially when he was allowed in the courtroom. not once has he remained calm and professional, not once has he not done something that would have him disbarred in real life, and he does not hesitate to blame a victim for the crime committed against them. at the end of the day, he is a prosecuting attorney, and boy does he act like it
Wow I think youre in the minority in that! I'm not any particular fan of McCoy but lots of people love him
Possibly in the minority, but I stopped watching Law and Order when it originally was on tv because of McCoy’s attitude and behaviour.
I'm a huge Sam Waterston fan, but McCoy wasn't his best role by far, not at all like him in real life.
She can't prove she was raped? Woof at this script.
It's the Blue Lives Matter. I think Wolf is counting on us to hate him as a prosecutor and love the detectives. Will cops admit to learning stuff from Law & Order?.
I have not heard the term "Johnson" in a while.
“Where you from? Minnesota? West Virginia?” What the? I guess the Loo hasn’t heard her talk yet, because there is very little chance a native English speaker, from America, could not tell the difference in those accents. And then when she speaks, she’s clearly not from either of those places. I guess maybe the writer, the actors, the director, and everyone else in that room are all New York-lifers, because, day-umm…
First time dealing with Noo Yawkuz?
They do that very thing, all the time.
The rest of us just make fun of them and their insufferable attitude.
I think it was before she spoke, in reference to how many mid western girls move to NY in search of a glamorous life and end up in a bad lifestyle
McCoy was no nonsense, no question about it.
Personally think she's guilty of murder but there is too much reasonable doubt. It would get tossed on appeal.
In this kind of cases both parts are in a way very wrong, also it makes dobuts in all ways
I don't remember what happened in the ep, but i remember on of the eps of law and order uk being based off of this ep.
Lynette scavo
I LOVE ORDER LAW
Would def played out diff on SVU
Facts are facts
One of those stories I didn't care for either the perp or the victim. Both were garbage.
Mama Donaghey
umm you you know what she said
The England version also did this story😊
She had representation
Seems I remember a similar real case, don't remember how it came out. Both women had the 'side job' as I recall.
No wallet no i d , my kinda guy. Btw its a hostro
Love Lennie
wait... what... so let me get this straight. according to this particular jury, it's cool beans to grape a person? and then if she feels threatened, especially when he tells her that he would kill her, that she has no rights to defend herself or her family? the man threatened her telling her to become some guy's gf, that is graping someone and lso threating bodily harm, and yes i am saying grape for a reason. so i won't get youtube trouble. 8/
there is no way i could have voted guilty
She was obviously sleeping with other dudes because her husband was a simp. How else could any man stay by her side after humiliating him and her children?
she said dude, trash ppl cant spell and Br"I"an is playn jesus... so figure this out or keep doin it... we all get paid amn Brian stackin paper
😢😢😢😢
Guilty she lived the life that included the danger but wanted to manipulate the client to her terms .... he isn't here to tell his side of the story and live a normal life
# 147!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOO..... DOGGY!!!!
One way or other you live by the standards by which you choose. Her emotions in the court can also contribute to her thinking about losing her family. I do not believe it was self defense. No evidence suggests she was being forced to. No marks on the wrist or head. It is her actions afterward that swayed the juries to find her guilty.
Every other comment says exact opposite lol
These women got bored with their lives
no reasonable doubt, she was guilty
Long Island's
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Hookahs? dey was trash
Question: I don't understand the title. She shot him because she didn't want a FENCE. JK. I was just referring to DeFENCE instead of DEFENSE. Spelling is important.
Legitimate alternate spelling of "defense." Also the British spelling.