@@aebonstudio7193 Leica R have lenses from the 60’s all the way to 90’s - all of them are going to be different, some more vintage - some more modern’ish. Some have CA, the 90’s R do not - especially their APO
That is absolutely incredible to think about. I happen to love Japanese-built lenses (especially Canon and Fujinon). I dream of some have having the money afford even one prime Tokina cine lens.
Fab video. Very weird I was researching which lens was used on a film and then you featured the film. The Panavision C series are it for me. Beautiful.
Thank you for these videos, they're really useful! If you can, and if you didn't do it already, you should talk about what visual aspects are due to lenses and what to cameras, so everyone can recognize them in a movie or series, understand where they come from and think about which cameras and lenses can be combined to get a specific look. Another useful video could be one where you place every lens and camera you talked about in a range from naturalistic to stylistic and from filmic/vintage to digital/contemporary, with middle grounds in between.
Honestly, I love the videos you do... I might be extremely biased tho because I'm really into the topics you discuss xd Honesty, I'd love to see you break down individual films or episodes for the nuances that you notice. I don't know how successful videos like that would be but I for one would definitely watch... Anyway... Thank you for making these videos
I'm curious, do you have anything to say in regards to the ARRI/Zeiss Ultra Primes? I'm aware they're only a small step or two away from the legendary Master Primes whilst also being cheaper and more lightweight, but I don't know if there's more to it than that. EDIT UPDATE: Answered in _Part 5._
Great video, however I strongly note people to stop using the term "Large format", because it means nothing and refers wrongly to an actual format. Just call it Full Frame. (real large format is chamber photography with some negatives as large as an A4 paper sheet, and even larger). Then compared to full frame, 65mm is way bigger, and freaking IMAX 15 perf is basically medium format cinematography, being almost the same size as 6x7 120 film.
Full Frame and Large Format are not the same thing. Full frame is 24mm x 36mm The Alexa LF and LF mini are 25.54mm x 36.7mm The Red Monstro VV is 21.6mm x 40.96mm There is no standard definition for Large Format sensor sizes but there is for full frame. Large Format just means it’s bigger than than Super 35. It’s a blanket term.
@@leer6871 I'm sorry but that's simply not true. Frist, large format is an actual term and holds various format, the smaller being 4"x5" sheet photography (which is already enormous). Secondly, the margins are insignificant between sensor based on full frame. (most of the time it's for the surround view, the actual picture frame is full frame.) Only the Monstro VV is a bit bigger, but still, we are talking about 46.5mm of diagonal, instead of the usual 43.2mm of normal full frame. Some very wide angle lens may have vignetting, but that's it. And also most digital cameras with "S35" sensor are not actually that. Only film is (24.89mmx18.66m, with a diagonal of 31.1mm), most of them are slightly smaller or bigger. LF is just an inappropriate term, made up by marketing people who don't care about what's right. It makes even less sense when you consider that 65mm is way larger than full frame, and not even close to IMAX.
@UC5OB8GZOXrZh7HMPdHyePag Your gripe with the term is that large format is supposed to refer to the still photography world but I don’t see how that’s relevant. Cinema and Photography evolved in different ways and therefore use different terms. Nobody is realistically getting confused between the two usages it’s purely semantics. It is a fact that when we say Large Format in cinema we’re referring to anything larger (within a certain margin) than Super 35. Thats just what the term means. And practically, when cinematographers use the term Large Format they are doing so to convey its effects rather than anything specific. You can say “we want to achieve that Large Format look” in conversation and most people understand what is being conveyed. There is nothing wrong with using it. Besides the term is already cemented. It would feel kinda silly to say the Alexa Mini Large Format with a Full Frame sensor.
@@leer6871 I don't see it that way. Photography and cinematography are intertwined, we even use the same 35mm film strip, one is vertical pull-down on 4 perf or less, where the other is horizontal pull-down on 8 perf. We can even say that the Alexa LF and Venice are Vistavision, because it is one of the proper terms, as well as full frame. And I'm not making things up, the optical manufacturers are calling their new lenses with "FF" coverage. It's just that Arri didn't want to name it full frame because it wasn't sounding original enough. in normal conversation I won't bother, But if they insist on in I will correct them, because it really means nothing. If you want a truly larger, different feel about the image, 65mm is way more pronounced that full frame.
@@jeyycie3656 ok what you’re doing here is picking a very very weird hill to die on. You say Large Format doesn’t mean anything. I say yes it does, it means anything larger than super 35 because that is the commonly agreed to definition. You don’t disagree with me you just repeat that LF doesn’t mean anything. Large Format, like it or not, is a term these days. Manufacturers use it, consumers use it, and established cinematographers working at the top of the field use it. It’s a word that has always had a flexible meaning. I’m not sure who you are to say people are wrong for using it or why you think you can “correct” them
Dude I gotta question, I hope you reply. Did you already have this massive knowledge about cinema lenses, lighting, all technical stuff and so on, before you started working in the industry?
This video is quite complex for someone like me who is a total noob and wants to get into Filmmaking which has been my dream ever since I was a teenager in the 90's, and turning 40 last year really saddened me as I don't think I'm smart enough to get into Filmmaking, I really need a basic begginers guide on the topic of lenses and cameras or anything to do with cinematography at a basic begginers level for someone like myself who has several learning disabilities and slight Asperger's and is dumb as a door nail.
You can do anything, it’s never too late, you just gotta start, even if you start slow, or start late, it’s infinitely better than those who never started. So go for it.
The video is quite complex for me too, I don’t know anything they just said. I’m just starting out but with time it’ll be conquered and you can conquer it too
It takes time, I know it seems complicated with so much technical terms and concepts, but with time and consistent curiosity you’ll get there. I don’t want it to sound cheesy but don’t give up on your dream! We all have to start somewhere.
@@pikjp Oh thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate it, yes it's definitely been a huge struggle for me to get into Filmmaking, not only with the learning disabilities and having a very low I.Q. but struggling with high anxiety and OCD for most of my life, I have such a huge passion for it,I just find most things very difficult to understand. I would love to get into any field of Filmmaking, but I understand being passionate about a topic doesn't make me knowledgeable in it, I have to study it hard and thoroughly, in my case cinematography or screenwriting or editing and one day if I'm not being to hopeful Directing.
@@pikjpThank you for the nice words, I really appreciate it, it's quite confusing cinematography especially for someone like myself who really knows nothing about it but really wants to learn. I used to think being really passionate about movies would make me really knowledgeable about it but it doesn't, you have to study your particular field that you want to get into in Filmmaking thoroughly and once you really understand it then you can be a master Filmmaker.
WHY , please WHYYY do you lay a "old film dirt"-filter over you displays??? What is it with so many video editors? They behave like fools. Just decoration without any sense. Bahhh!
Would love an episode of you discussing rehoused lenses like Leica R’s, FDs, Nikkors, Olympus, etc
hi matt
Nothing to write home about. People like the FDs bc they're a cheap alternative to the K35s. Leica Rs have some decent chromatic aberration
And the Zeiss Jena’s + Mamiyas!
Definitely, Arri used many of these vintage lenses in their cine lenses - they just don’t reveal which ones
@@aebonstudio7193 Leica R have lenses from the 60’s all the way to 90’s - all of them are going to be different, some more vintage - some more modern’ish. Some have CA, the 90’s R do not - especially their APO
Love this series! One point not mentioned with tha Tokina's - you can buy a 11 lens set for the price of two-three ARRI signature primes.
Even more so compared to the Master Primes, I imagine
That is absolutely incredible to think about. I happen to love Japanese-built lenses (especially Canon and Fujinon). I dream of some have having the money afford even one prime Tokina cine lens.
Fab video. Very weird I was researching which lens was used on a film and then you featured the film. The Panavision C series are it for me. Beautiful.
This channel is a treasure trove of knowledge. I absolutely love this channel!
This is the kind of videos I hope to find more on TH-cam. Thanks for your hard work, I learned so much.
I would love to hear what you have to say about the Cooke SK4 Super 16 lenses.
Mate, your videos are excellent. I love the look of the anamorphic lenses.
The canon 8-64 is a personal favorite of mine, even with digital it looks incredible
Thank you for these videos, they're really useful!
If you can, and if you didn't do it already, you should talk about what visual aspects are due to lenses and what to cameras, so everyone can recognize them in a movie or series, understand where they come from and think about which cameras and lenses can be combined to get a specific look.
Another useful video could be one where you place every lens and camera you talked about in a range from naturalistic to stylistic and from filmic/vintage to digital/contemporary, with middle grounds in between.
That is good idea but a really big ask.
Honestly, I love the videos you do... I might be extremely biased tho because I'm really into the topics you discuss xd
Honesty, I'd love to see you break down individual films or episodes for the nuances that you notice. I don't know how successful videos like that would be but I for one would definitely watch...
Anyway... Thank you for making these videos
I'm curious, do you have anything to say in regards to the ARRI/Zeiss Ultra Primes? I'm aware they're only a small step or two away from the legendary Master Primes whilst also being cheaper and more lightweight, but I don't know if there's more to it than that.
EDIT UPDATE: Answered in _Part 5._
Great work. Looking forward to the next installment of lens analysis.
Always a dream to watch and hear your examinations :)
super informative! I want those Tokina lens set!!
What is that Tokina Vista footage from? I don't recognize the movie, but it looks beautiful.
Movie name：Us and Them
Honestly i gotta say that Christopher Robin was one of the Best movies in terms of cinematography in Marc Forster filmography.
thank you for your precious information. please make a video about t series panavision in the next part
I own two sets from this video 🥰❤️.
The Atlas anamorphic & Tokina vista prime.
Waiting for the 25mm anamorphic to complete my set 😁.
I’m so jelly
Suuure
@ 10:43 Zeiss Superspeed triangular bokeh : )
Ohhhh I bet that cannon lens would be great paired up with a beastcage on a phone these days ;)
Btw great content your videos help me for clarity of concepts for my short film
what film has been shown at the atlas orion lens part?
Great video! A little question, what's the movie example were used in Tokina Vista episode?
Us and Them
Please do a video on IMAX 70MM Film camera and it's lenses.
Great video, however I strongly note people to stop using the term "Large format", because it means nothing and refers wrongly to an actual format. Just call it Full Frame.
(real large format is chamber photography with some negatives as large as an A4 paper sheet, and even larger).
Then compared to full frame, 65mm is way bigger, and freaking IMAX 15 perf is basically medium format cinematography, being almost the same size as 6x7 120 film.
Full Frame and Large Format are not the same thing.
Full frame is 24mm x 36mm
The Alexa LF and LF mini are 25.54mm x 36.7mm
The Red Monstro VV is 21.6mm x 40.96mm
There is no standard definition for Large Format sensor sizes but there is for full frame.
Large Format just means it’s bigger than than Super 35. It’s a blanket term.
@@leer6871 I'm sorry but that's simply not true. Frist, large format is an actual term and holds various format, the smaller being 4"x5" sheet photography (which is already enormous).
Secondly, the margins are insignificant between sensor based on full frame. (most of the time it's for the surround view, the actual picture frame is full frame.)
Only the Monstro VV is a bit bigger, but still, we are talking about 46.5mm of diagonal, instead of the usual 43.2mm of normal full frame. Some very wide angle lens may have vignetting, but that's it.
And also most digital cameras with "S35" sensor are not actually that. Only film is (24.89mmx18.66m, with a diagonal of 31.1mm), most of them are slightly smaller or bigger.
LF is just an inappropriate term, made up by marketing people who don't care about what's right. It makes even less sense when you consider that 65mm is way larger than full frame, and not even close to IMAX.
@UC5OB8GZOXrZh7HMPdHyePag
Your gripe with the term is that large format is supposed to refer to the still photography world but I don’t see how that’s relevant. Cinema and Photography evolved in different ways and therefore use different terms. Nobody is realistically getting confused between the two usages it’s purely semantics.
It is a fact that when we say Large Format in cinema we’re referring to anything larger (within a certain margin) than Super 35. Thats just what the term means.
And practically, when cinematographers use the term Large Format they are doing so to convey its effects rather than anything specific. You can say “we want to achieve that Large Format look” in conversation and most people understand what is being conveyed. There is nothing wrong with using it.
Besides the term is already cemented. It would feel kinda silly to say the Alexa Mini Large Format with a Full Frame sensor.
@@leer6871 I don't see it that way. Photography and cinematography are intertwined, we even use the same 35mm film strip, one is vertical pull-down on 4 perf or less, where the other is horizontal pull-down on 8 perf. We can even say that the Alexa LF and Venice are Vistavision, because it is one of the proper terms, as well as full frame. And I'm not making things up, the optical manufacturers are calling their new lenses with "FF" coverage.
It's just that Arri didn't want to name it full frame because it wasn't sounding original enough. in normal conversation I won't bother, But if they insist on in I will correct them, because it really means nothing. If you want a truly larger, different feel about the image, 65mm is way more pronounced that full frame.
@@jeyycie3656 ok what you’re doing here is picking a very very weird hill to die on.
You say Large Format doesn’t mean anything.
I say yes it does, it means anything larger than super 35 because that is the commonly agreed to definition.
You don’t disagree with me you just repeat that LF doesn’t mean anything.
Large Format, like it or not, is a term these days. Manufacturers use it, consumers use it, and established cinematographers working at the top of the field use it.
It’s a word that has always had a flexible meaning. I’m not sure who you are to say people are wrong for using it or why you think you can “correct” them
Thanks for all the information, brother!! By the way, do you have a video talking about the Red Pro Lenses?!
Never Said Goodbye the film is primary Tokina Vista?
This may have been asked, but what's the movie that is shown for the Tokinas?
Us and Them.
@@jehanreyes awesome thanks!
awesone content , where can i rent orion atlas in cpt ?
My understanding is that Atlas glass only covers super35 without the help of other adapters.
It does. I believe he specified this
Dude I gotta question, I hope you reply. Did you already have this massive knowledge about cinema lenses, lighting, all technical stuff and so on, before you started working in the industry?
Many thanks for sharing
Really love this series, super helpful! Keep it up :)
Can you make popular grip rigs part 2 plsssss🙏🙏🙏🙏
This video is quite complex for someone like me who is a total noob and wants to get into Filmmaking which has been my dream ever since I was a teenager in the 90's, and turning 40 last year really saddened me as I don't think I'm smart enough to get into Filmmaking, I really need a basic begginers guide on the topic of lenses and cameras or anything to do with cinematography at a basic begginers level for someone like myself who has several learning disabilities and slight Asperger's and is dumb as a door nail.
You can do anything, it’s never too late, you just gotta start, even if you start slow, or start late, it’s infinitely better than those who never started. So go for it.
The video is quite complex for me too, I don’t know anything they just said. I’m just starting out but with time it’ll be conquered and you can conquer it too
It takes time, I know it seems complicated with so much technical terms and concepts, but with time and consistent curiosity you’ll get there.
I don’t want it to sound cheesy but don’t give up on your dream!
We all have to start somewhere.
@@pikjp Oh thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate it, yes it's definitely been a huge struggle for me to get into Filmmaking, not only with the learning disabilities and having a very low I.Q. but struggling with high anxiety and OCD for most of my life, I have such a huge passion for it,I just find most things very difficult to understand. I would love to get into any field of Filmmaking, but I understand being passionate about a topic doesn't make me knowledgeable in it, I have to study it hard and thoroughly, in my case cinematography or screenwriting or editing and one day if I'm not being to hopeful Directing.
@@pikjpThank you for the nice words, I really appreciate it, it's quite confusing cinematography especially for someone like myself who really knows nothing about it but really wants to learn. I used to think being really passionate about movies would make me really knowledgeable about it but it doesn't, you have to study your particular field that you want to get into in Filmmaking thoroughly and once you really understand it then you can be a master Filmmaker.
Canon S16 8-64mm... Super35 you say?
How would that work with say cropped modern 4K or even 6K sensor from a Canon (say 5DMK4 or R5?)
Isn’t there a super 35 crop mode in the settings menu for those cameras?
@@tatehildyard5332 Well, yes. MK4 doesn't ask if you go 4K.
Very cool
First Person Like Always! Side Note: Really Amazing Video
im broke.
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WHY , please WHYYY do you lay a "old film dirt"-filter over you displays??? What is it with so many video editors? They behave like fools. Just decoration without any sense. Bahhh!