Man is so passionate and far more well read than I am, and assume most others to be. There is something so humbling about receiving information from such a person. Who dedicated so much of their life to the mastery of a subject. Thank you for your dedication.
Jumps around and, IMO, is not confident in what he claims. It is easy to see that the Greek New Testament quotes the LXX. The LXX is older than the DSS. the MT was created after the New Testament was written. Pick apart the LXX all you want, the LXX is older than the DSS and the MT. Of the extant manuscripts of the LXX, DSS and MT, the oldest LXX manuscripts are older than the DSS and MT. The DSS proves that the LXX is much closer to the original and lost Hebrew Bible than is the MT that was created after Christianity began.
Agreed. His way of explaining textual primacy was pretty awkward, backward & tortured. Was hard to follow. Seemed to purposely do this so as to protect the culture feelings around the masoretic.
@@joshportie The 1611 AVKJ is the most accurate one. It was written with the blood of many saints. To understand the incredible effects that that version, which is the pure Word of God, had in all aspects of life at that time , one must study history in depth to capitulate the bravado The Word has conquered in science, education, economy and morality. All that because written English became very much accessible to even the minor classes. Scotland is a perfect example of that. It truly was the coming out of darkness into great light.
What was the name of the king's printer that printed the 1611 King James Bible?? Here's a couple of very revealing hints... Truth or Consequences and The Price is Right.
I have a question, my family and I only knew of the Septuagint we recognized it as a gift from God. I Dιscovered later in life as in a young adult that there were groups of Christians who used an Old Testament called the Masoretic Text. My question is as follows, why is the Septuagint rejected by so many Western Christians?
For three centuries, the KJV in America was the only translation. Its public domain status ensures cheap reprinting that even the poorest person can afford. These poor, typically uneducated people grow up under its influence, and when they start reading other translations that quote from better sources than Medieval Jewish Masoretic texts the KJV is based on, they think that version is corrupt rather than the one they grew up with. So, to answer your question, the KJV-Only movement is rooted mostly in ignorance, poverty and tradition. It's mainly propagated by the Independent Fundamentalist Holyroller Preacher crowd who never received a formal education in Biblical languages or critical study, and preys on the ignorance of his flock. There's a _ton_ of these guys in America.
Because it is an earlier translation, more accurate. If a more accurate version contradicts one that your family has held dear for hundreds of year, it will be ignored. Meaning your version has been adopted in convenience and not in accuracy. Could possibly be wrong. Which would discredit generations of faithful service, etc. obviously it would be rejected, or your ancestors would look like fools. So to save face they blindly adheare to common understanding instead of attempting to use more accurate information to update their beliefs. Comments dripping with sarcasm are ignorant because they defend pride over understanding. I hope you can take an unbiased look at my comment. If possible. They are.
@@HunterCrim4767 hi, I am a bit confused by your comments, are you alluding to Moseretic text being more accurate than the Septuagint? Thanks in advice for your answer.
@@latinboyyy305 Yes, I had the same question. But we read it in English so is he saying we should learn Masoretic or use a Bible translated from Masoretic? Thanks, all fascinating.
Deut 23:2 in The Septuagint (the original authentic bible) doesn't say "Bastard".. it says "one born of a harlot shall not enter into the assembly of the Lord."
@@rennyskiathitis8178 No, the original Old Testament was not written in Greek but there are contesting views about whether the Hebrew behind the LXX or the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text are the more original, more trustworthy text. The LXX certainly was the original Bible of the Apostles.
@st r As the professor pointed out; the Masoretic text is younger than the LXX texts and no-one knows if the MAsoretic is translated from the LXX or if it was taken from Hebrew. The reason being that the Masoretic text was written in Saint Petersberg Russia in 1008AD
The text of the Septuagint you read today is simply the old testament portion of codex Vaticanus. It's age is about 300CE. The dead sea scrolls are several hundred years older than this text. It is a work of the Church not of Jews.
the original Septuagint in which 72 rabbis were forced to translate from hebrew into greek was only the Torah the first five books being Genesis to Deuteronomy. No one has that copy Septuagint removed Isaiah 2:22-30 and 36????
It does indeed seem that the translators of the LXX translated as many terms as possible for a Greek-speaking readership, rather than preserving (and adding more obscurity) proper names specific to a certain language, people, region etc. A 'Gentile' Old Testament.
I realize this is an old comment but I’m curious how the conclusion of the LXX being “a gentile Old Testament” was reached. Considering that all of the Jews in the first century, including Jesus and his disciples, were using it? Literally all of the Jews and the Jewish religious authorities relied on it.
@@shawnglass108 Yeah, sometimes I cringe at the things I wrote 5 minutes ago, but I kind of stand by what I THINK I meant, namely: the Jews who translated their Hebrew Bible into Greek seem to have had in mind a somewhat heathenish readership, or at least, have translated it such that it's amenable to people with less knowledge of the inricacies or Hebraisms of Jerusalem.
That because you’re an atheist hacker 😂😂😂 could hear the excitement in your, unwarrantedly neglected comment. Any results? I wonder, completely unrelated to my first comment. 🫠🫠🫠
The original Hebrew does not exist. The masoretic Old Testament is dated around 1000AD. The Greek Septuagint and Samaritan Pentateuch predate the masoretic text by hundreds of years.
@@davidkehrer7342 Yes the Septuagint was written before the Hebrew texts and was a figment of the imagination of 70 the rabbis that created it. In fact all the bible texts are written long after, the OT was written only around the time of the 2nd temple and is based on history and mythology but the NT was pure mythology compiled from several of the new cults around 1800 years ago much like the Quran all is pure BS.
@@truthhurts6327 I was being facetious but in fact the Torah was written by Moses during the 40 years in the desert and copied by all the tribes. The rules for copying a Totah were also given by Moses and today there are hundreds of thousands of Torahs and only a few differences between them but no difference in wording.
Comes across as sloppy due to informality of speech. At roughly 19:00 mention of King James Version (KJV) as some sort of dominant text, is false in that this might apply to English speaking protestants, but not Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics. The Orthodox, which out number the protestants, use the Greek Bible, or variants in church languages, like Church Slavonic - in effect the Septuagint (pronounced SEP-too-uh-JINT). So, its use is wide spread. As to the significance of the differences in the Septuagint and the Masoretic, at roughly 20:20 are not small. The Masoretic has changed or omitted text that serve to negate Jesus' compliance with prophecy, among other differences. Your takeaway from this ought to be: 1. there is value in learning about the LXX (common shorthand for the Septuagint) 2. there are significant differences between the LXX and the Masoretic, 3. the LXX has greater commonality to the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic, and 4. the LXX predates the Masoretic (first 5 books) by at least 1200 years. The latter 2 points were made by the speaker if you listened closely. Also, some of Jesus' sayings cannot be understood without the LXX. There is more to this.
@MadMax™ Called away and lost what I had started. But here goes with version #2. As to your second point. I do not see the Jews in second place. Jesus came to the Jews first. I see two tracks, which is likely not canonical with any of the major flavors of Christianity, but is the only way I reconcile what Jesus said. The Jews must follow the Law of Moses. This is not the same as having two sets of dishes. Study Jesus' parables. When passing over, righteous Jews will have the chance to see Who Jesus is and therefore be saved. The other way is for Gentiles, and is easier. As to the Masoretic changing what preceded it (pre-1000 AD +/), I'll provide one reference, but there are many more, including from established scholars. Note that the video ^^ says that the LXX is more compliant with the Dead Sea Scrolls than is the Masoretic. About the 20:00 mark. This link below is pretty substantial but is not by any means comprehensive. preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/ Good luck with your quest.
I have a question, how are those that support the LXX doing so since it no longer exist. I understand we don’t have ANYTHING original, NT OT, Greek Hebrew, Nothing, nada, zip, zero! Is the LXX preserved in other writings?
@@Davey3 The LXX (Septuagint) DOES exist today. It exists directly in the Greek Orthodox Church, in its liturgies and related texts. It lives in translation in Church Slavonic and other tongues. I understand there is a variant in the Samaritan language/Aramaic. It lives in the various Codices (Codexes) in libraries and monasteries. Did you listen to what the speaker said, and to what I wrote above? Don't know what you mean by "original". The LXX Codexes are very old. The Dead Sea Scrolls are very old. There are fragments in various places and types that are very old. Being mostly ink on parchment, these must be copied onto new parchment as the parchment ages. What is your expectation as to "original"? Is there a Tanakh in ancient Hebrew script in its entirety? I do not think so. Is there a Septuagint dated from 200 BCE? I do not think so. But what was said +/- by the speaker - from memory - and what I reported, the Septuagint (LXX) is more faithful to the original Hebrew than the Masoretic text. If Jesus did not exist, Jewish scholars would be all over the LXX as a means to determine what the "original" Tanakh said. But because the Masoretic text has been edited to omit passages that support Jesus's life story, there is no interest in doing so. This is the case even though the LXX has complete or better texts with no messianic implications. Hanukkah marks a very dark period in Jewish history. The Seleucids did great damage to the Hebrew text inventory. Passages were lost. This is well before Christianity. The Greek language LXX was not as ravaged by the Seleucids. This may help: th-cam.com/video/Xe4R9ThNA5g/w-d-xo.html
Own Petard Thank you for the reply, I will try to listen again to what is said but my attention span is short today and the speaker needs to get straight to the point instead of singing memories by Barbara Streisand All I know is the manuscripts we have are not the originals but copies of copies and I heard a man say we don’t have the original LXX just like we don’t have any original NT manuscripts their all copies of copies. They are preserved in the copies but there are no originals at all only copies of all religious books. So i think my Questioned is still valid and If I understand you correctly, the LXX is also preserved in the Greek copies of it! Yes? Original meaning the actual written scroll by the actual author that’s what is meant by original, hope this makes sense.
@@Davey3 Cannot use your definition of "original" for any religious text so far as I am aware. Applies to Judaism, Christianity, even Mormonism. As to the copies, there are variations in all of them among the various copies. Mostly small within a "type", like the LXX as a type or the Masoretic as a type. But there are bigger differences between the LXX and Masoretic, for example. There is a Greek version of the LXX still used by the the Greek Orthodox today. It is highly congruent with the various "ancient" Codices, such as the Vatican and the Alexandrian, etc.
I find this rather funny. A language scholar speaking to Mormons whose prophet claimed he could read something he called reformed Egyptian and dreamed up the Pearl of Great Price. Mormons don't go by true language professors they simply look into a hat and come up with a new translation.
What if God _actually _*__meant_* to use Greek for the 1st 15 centuries of common literacy *_because that is exactly what HE DID DO FOR THE 1ST 15 CENTURIES OF COMMON LITERACY_* ??
1. "God" 👈🏿 is a GERMAN word! 💡 2. Who said Greek is the language YHWH (or YHVH) used when His chosen people are authentically Hebrew? 🤔 3. What, then, would be the purpose for YHWH/Yeshua at ANY point being recorded as speaking in Hebrew? 🤷🏾♂️ Hymn
@@i.AmHymn who said Greek is the language? He who alters and mislead the masses of who "God" is.. the Devil...Satan. This guy believe God used the Greeks to evolve, but the Greek was not aware that the Will of God was devolving.
@@i.AmHymn the European keep missing the point.. God said what the Devil would do.. what the synagogue of Satan role would be in scattering Gods people. Lol Say God in Greek.. Arabic or whatever.. the wheat and tare is very distinguishable from one another at this point.
By the way, the Bible tells you it’s an allegory and that Jesus never spoke unless it was in parables. Allegory and Parables. It’s a story and your reading it wrong.
It you don't trust the Septuagint which is actually just the name of the number LXX which is 70. The current one is not related to the original lost one. The problem is if its not the original and you don't except it, what other written scriptures/writings are available? What else is there to translate from? The Torah was translated from the LXX. There is no original Hebrew text even the present Hebrew was translated to Hebrew from the LXX. And there is no known original Hebrew language because Hebrew. was part of a family language that included more then 20 languages.
God knew exactly what He was doing documenting His word exclusively in the first language with vowels and grammar and the acuity of Greek for the first 15 centuries of human literacy.. and He told Zephaniah (3:9) and Dan (7:6) that _He would_ do that.. so it's just a matter of time before these who profess themselves to wise hear God declare in no uncertain terms .. "I meant to do that" and "I told you to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and scribes" and not to follow the vanity of scribes who call themselves Jews but can not prove they are from the tribe of Judah... the bottom line is that mankind would never have been able to know the precision of the word of God until the 12th century Jews agreed how to point the consonants for meaning in the 12th century AD.. Fortunately for us, God had copies of the LXX waiting for the apostles in every synagogue from Spain to Ethiopia so all men could worship God in one consent and search the scriptures that testified of Jesus Christ (John 5:39) so that "all nations" could be saved. (Gen 18:18 & 22:18)
+intruthbygrace almost all hebrew verbs have a 3 letter root.ie SH.M.R (shamar) which means he guarded, kept, watched so the meaning doesn't differ that much.but we can tell a lot by the context how to interpret it. the 4 original hebrew gospels have been found and are slowly being revealed and authenticated. th-cam.com/channels/fhVMXuGiQLNW6wpbzEot7w.html start @31.06
There’s no proof of any scriptures predating LXX. There’s no real proof of an original Hebrew Old Testament. The Septuagint Greek is the oldest Bible manuscript we have and it’s 3rd century bce.
It would be wonderful if some of the LANGUAGE SCHOLARS would do lectures on the Ancient Holy Languages the ETHIOPIANS speak - GEEZ, ARAMAIC, AMHARIC. The ANCIENT ETHIOPIANS were living thousands of years ago and are mentioned throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament. They spoke the same language as many of the Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Apostles; The Ethiopian Ruler who spoke with Philip on the Road heading to Jerusalem. Why not investigate the languages of the modern day descendants of the Ancient Ethiopians. Thank you.
"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." - 1 Tim 1:4 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." - Gal 3:28 Basically God says: Don't be racist.
Instead of leaving a “book” of my word would you like to know what I would leave a monument that could not be duplicated in anyway thus the pyramids of Giza that teaches “man, know thyself”. You know what is right you know what is wrong. Tree of good and evil sound familiar? It is your choice to preform good but also your choice to be evil. I choose to be good so I turned evil away or backwards. Evil backwards spells what? LIVE! Know thyself and love one another you don’t need an invisible boogeyman to do what’s right
As revered as Chuck was he was also known to have promoted one or two falsehoods. This claim is certainly one. Indeed, such a claim is impossible to authenticate since Christ and the apostles never intimated anything close to this. Nor can one reach the conclusion that Christ quoted from the Septuagint by comparing texts as this would amount to merely asserting the consequent.
You do realize he’s a BYU and most of that audience spoke both languages and probably Aramaic as well. I highly doubt they need a dictionary for anything he said.
Its intresting that the jewish people werent writing before 700-600Bc as there is no real proof orhard proof of any writing. Also considering that they were taken to babylon by king Nebucudnesser, also directly after the persians took over til 330Bc after alexander the great ruled the world. Also taking into consideration that Alexanders conquest of the most document conquest of the ancient world. And Alexander conquered every kingdom from greence to india and theres no recording of any jewish land or temple before the time of Rome. We also know that when king ptolemy commissioned the bibles translation, they were no writings to translate. The greeks had to obtain 70 jews from different areas at that time, and place them in the library of Alexandira, and the jews where also placed in separate rooms to tell there religious story. and the greeks found that the jews did in fact share the same story, and thus was translated. Had the jews had written the bible? The library of Alexandira would have had many copies. We know this because boats, ships going into alexandria where searched for books or other writings. Often compensating the ship owners. The books were always taken back to the library.. there is no real Hebrew texts, because abraham was babyloian and so was all his sons till Amon. As Manassah was placed king by Joseph. The was no hebrew language at this point. As Abraham, was babyloian and issac, jacob, joseph would have spoken, egyption and ba babyloian.. this also means moses who was born in egypt would not have spoken hebrew. Thus the 10 commandents would have needed to be in egyption if he were to understand them as well as the jews. Intresting to state. That Manassah is king in 681bc, jacob or Israel was born in 985Bc however Moses who was born around 1300BC is talking about freeing the people of jacob or Israel? So it means moses is talking anout a people not yet alive 600 im the future as jacob wasn't israel till near the end of his life. This means moses in 1300bc is talking about israel who was alive 985Bc. This is the same as king solomon talking about jacob who isnt born yet as solomon was king in 970BC. Plus Manassah who was king in 681bc is israels grandson. And gives us real dates..ive read all 5 bibles. The great bible, Bishops bible, Catholic bible, the greek and the torah. The greek is the only original bible known to man. But many of the words cannot be translated into English as many words in English never existed and vise vera.. plus its intresting that the jewish religion never caught on, untill the Roman Emporor Constantine inforeced it under rule of death, backed up with the roman army. Octavain who conquered egypt and took it as his own private estate never embraced the jewish religion. As there are many stone busts of Octavain wearing the pharohs crown and other egyption dresses etc. Thus inforcing that roman or pagen religions were still in full effect...its also interesting when ive been tring to trace jewish writing before 700Bc is impossible and does not exist. The only bit of evidence is shadey at best. A peace of stone with a scribble of untidy writing saying.. the house of david. And the jews says its king david and thus its 1000s of years old. However the so called king david who built the first temple and formed the first United israe and ruled over them plus killing a Giant? Would not have a scruffy bit of stone with his name loosely scribbled on it. Had it been king davids it would have been finely carved and his na,e would be everywhere as well as king solomon, because he saw himself as king of all kings, and thus would be alot of evidence. However the jewish people who wrote the first bible would not have inclued theses tales of king david or solomon, due to the greedy nature of the greeks, any news of some great temple and land would have been noticed by Alexanders commanders who ruled the known world. Also its intresting the name of moses comes from tut-moses, the 3 pharohs alive just before moses was supposed to be alive. Also the Jew's would not have written about any exodus during the translations of the bible because the jews were in fact occupying alexandria egypt or a very large population was recorded to jave been there. Thus the egytion temple priests would not have tolerated a story of a wicket pharoh who kills inoccent children etc. That would have been a foolish move on the jews part, thus the 5 books of moses was written long after
+the doctor dont be a moron. the 10 commands were written in paleo hebrew and moses spoke hebrew.abraham was a chaldean and most people would have been bi lingual
Very interesting… I also have similar views on this… as an adopted son, Moses would have taken the name after the pharaoh Tutmoses.. the pharaohs used the snake and a crooked staff as a sign of divinity so I am assuming that this originated from Moses demonstrating Gods power when his shepherds staff turned into a snake and devoured the ones made by the magicians …
All of this madness after the capital was moved from Memphis to Alexandria From Rome to Constantinople to arab lands to then america It’s all a madness of opinions and edits and translation movements loose essence 😩
To make it simple. A translation can never be a better version of the original manuscript. Therefore Hebrew can’t be translated to overshadow this language, ~ especially as G-d chose to use it.
Mercy Fields not only that, but clearly the Lord Jesus would have chosen the greek language as it was a more widespread language. Why would the apostles preach in a language others could not understand. I personally believe the messiah spoke in 2 or more languages. The apostles, or at least the apostle Paul spoke in greek.
Live Poetic - it does appear that for 300 years God was preparing the field for the gospel to go to The Gentiles by giving them the Old Testament in Greek so they could see and hear the fulfilment of the law and the prophets. Timothy’s grandmother and mother were Hellenistic Jews and his father was Greek, Paul commended the efforts Timothy’s family had put into teaching him the Old Testament which was highly likely to be the LXX. “All Scripture is God breathed...”. I sometimes wonder if Timothy said that because people were unsure if the LXX was worthy or should they all learn Hebrew and try and get the Scribes and Pharisees to let them read for themselves the scrolls those men kept to a special elite of learners.
@@debbieward9732 stop with the lies. The gospel may have been available but the promise of the covenant was never given to the gentiles of other nations.
+Michael Henry - Anything is possible. I recommend starting with the classical languages, or any ancient language of your choice. Then study paleography, or specifically, the way writing has changed over time. Philology is merely a mixture of these two disciplines combined with history and logic. - It is my belief that all people are capable of following their passions, if you want it then you should go for it.
18:30 "it was standard speech in 17th century English to say thou." False. Thou had fallen out of use by the early 1500's. The reason the KJV translators utilized thou vs ye was in order to differentiate between the singular and plural second person pronouns in the Greek & Hebrew.
To be Fair, the guy didn't have a lot of time. However, there are a ton of assumptions and bias entwined. He "sounds" legit and the title markets well but this is dressed up or camouflaged toeing of the line. Dont Be KJV Only but be careful to be KJV First.
If the Septuagint actually translated the Hebrew to Greek, albeit keeping the meaning of the words originally given the same for both, then I could accept the Greek. It doesn't thus when the Greek was translated to English there are more errors as there are words in the English bibles that do not mean the same as original Hebrew words that were used. Case in point the Hebrew word 'mamzer' does not have the same meaning as the English word 'bastard'.
the original 72 rabbis were forced translate the first five books of Torah into Koine greek Genesis to Deuteronomy only. No one has that original copy. Origen translated the balance of the Christian old Testament using the hexapla method from fragments of greek Aramaic and Hebrew. The orthodox Hebrew Tanakh used today match the dead Sea scrolls . No Christian old testament comes close. Martin Luther and Erasmus as well as Sir Issac Newton stated Septuagint was changed and attempted to learn to read Hebrew original.J Jerome later translated into Latin Vulgate.
Why then when Jesus quotes the Old Testament does it match 90% of time with the Septuagint? There is more detail in the LXX which is older than Masoretic.
@@jaqian mitzvah golem is correct!!! What he says, is right in the Preface of the Septuagint; The pseudepigraphal Letter of Aristeas contains a legend of the miraculous completion of the translation of the Pentateuch by a committee of seventy-two translators. This legend provides the basis for the title we use today, Brannan, R., Penner, K. M., Loken, I., Aubrey, M., & Hoogendyk, I. (Eds.). (2012). The Lexham English Septuagint. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press. Let me ask you, can a translation EVER be more accurate, than the original?
@@joseg.solano1891 Did you do the math??? What do you get, when you divide 6250 by 3959? You would have no problem seeing that curve, would you!!!!!! Watch the videos. The globe is all a big lie!!!!
The KJV, seriously, I couldn't watch this after that. The KJV is only prevalent in Protestant English speaking communities. Which only make up a small fraction of Christians.
What? The KJB fell out of the pocket of Jesus Christ himself on to the sands of the sea of Galilee where it was later found by Bishop Thomas Cranmer. Jesus wrote by hand every word in Elizabethan English and invented the chapter and verse groupings too. It the only bible actually the word of God otherwise why do they parachute English KJBs into the Amazon jungle for the natives to be saved.
The Greek is the only version on file that is said to derive from the "Original Hebrew" The professor brings up a very good point that the greek is a witness of the Hebrew and not a literal translation itself...everything else is considered "corrupted" due to the in-fighting among the Jewish sects. The MT, DSS etc..
IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE HOURS AND HOURS OF SEARCHING I HAVE DONE..THE PALEO HEBREW IS GONE..THE NEW TESTAMENT IF EVER WRITTEN OR TRANSLATED IN PALEO HEBREW IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND..I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THERE IS AN AGENDA TO KEEP IT FROM US..THE INTERNET HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN JUST THE PAST FEW MONTHS..I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY IS ALIVE AND WELL, THE INTERNET BEING A HUGE PART OF THE ENEMIES DEVICES..I VISIT GREEK EXTENSIONS AND CANNOT FIND MUCH..ANY TRANSLATION APPLICATIONS OFFERED IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE..I DID MUCH STUDY ON WILLIAM TYNDALE AND ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN THE ORIGINAL FRAGMENTS, THEY HAVE SOME IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT FROM THERE YOU HAVE TO BE GRANTED PERMISSION..EITHER WAY THE ONLY FRAGMENTS OF ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS FRAGMENTS..THE VETUS LATINA IS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND..THE VETUS LATINA WAS THE OLD ITALIC BIBLE WHICH SHOULD BE VERY ACCURATE IN MY OPINION..BUT THERE IS A OBVIOUS AGENDA TO KEEP IT SUPPRESSED..MOST OF US KNOW THE ANTICHRIST BEHAVIOURS OF ROME, IT IS DIFICULT TO FIND ANYTHING AVAILABLE BEFORE THE 1500S,(WHAT WORRIES ME KINDA IS THIS IS WHEN IT SEEMED THE PAPACY WAS MAD OVER CONTROLLING WHAT WAS SEEN IN BIBLES){AND STILL IS} THE WYCLIFFE BUT IT IS A POOR TRANSLATION, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TOOK GREAT PAINS TO MAKE SURE ONLY WHAT THEY DEEMED ACCEPTABLE WAS AND IS AVAILABLE FROM THE EARLY 1500S ON..TYNDALE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAILS SUPPOSEDLY TO TRANSLATE THE BIBLE INTO ENGLISH, AND HE SEEMED FAIRLY CAPABLE OF DOING IT..HIS ORIGINALS WERE DESTROYED AND ONLY THE EDITED VERSIONS ARE ACCESSIBLE, THE ONLY TRUE VERSION IS 1526..AND ITS FRAGMENTS..AND HE USED THE SEPTUAGINT FOR THE OT..HE SEEMED CREDIBLE BUT ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WHAT IS WRITTEN..WHAT THREW ME OFF ABOUT HIM WAS HE TRANSLATED WITH A CATHOLIC..WHETHER THAT WAS JUST TO DISCREDIT HIM IDK, THE STORY IS HE WAS MARTYRED AND DIED PROCLAIMING CHRIST...AFTER ALL THE SEARCHING I HAVE DONE..AND TRUST ME I HAVE DONE ALOT...THE ONLY THING TO DO IS TO LEARN KIONE GREEK, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS A HUGE FEAT. I HAVE A STRONG SUSPISCION THE VATICAN HAS MANY ORIGINAL ANCIENT MANUSCRIPTS..I HAVE SCOURED MEDIEVAL ATLASES , ALMANACS..JUST LOOKING FOR CLUES...IANYWAY I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON..ALL I KNOW IS THE KING JAMES HAS WORKED FOR ME, THE KJV IS ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE AS I CAN SEE..JUST WRITTEN VERY DIFFERENTLY AND MORE ROUGHLY..THE KJV HAS GOT ME INTO THE GRACES OF THE FATHER , I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VISITED AND GIVEN REST, I HAVE RECIEVED SEVERAL VISIONS..I HAVE BEEN IN THE SPIRIT, AND BEEN GIVIN BLISSFUL REST, CONFIRMING GLATIANS IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH..MY EXPERIENCES AFTER MUCH MUCH FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE HAS GOTTEN ME THESE THINGS..I AM GREATLY THANKFUL AND LOVE OUR KING..BUT MARK MY WORDS AND I WILL BE WILLING TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH I AM TELLING YOU..THAT THE HOLY GHOST HAS LITERALLY VISITED ME AND GIVEN ME A GLIMPSE OF THE FEELINGS OF OUR REWARD, I WAS LET INTO THE SPIRIT FORM 3 DIFFERENT TIMES, AFTER MUCH FAITHFUL DEVOUT OBEDIENCE AND COMPLETE LOVE AND FAITH OF OUR KING..HE IS A LOVING POWERFUL MIGHTY MERCIFUL GOD..I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCES I REMEMBER ALL DETAILS LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED AND EVERY SENSE WAS INVOLVED IT WAS PURE LOVE, PEACE, JOY, FAITH, BASICALLY EVERY POSITIVE WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, AND EVERY SINGLE SENSE THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ADJECTIVES..ABSOLUTE BLISS..WE HAVE SUCH A REWARD WAITING..IT IS LITERALLY NOT COMPREHENDABLE...NOTHING IN THIS WORLD TOUCHES IT
I BELIEVE EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES MY DESIRE TO FIND EVERY SINGLE THING AS ACCURATE TO OUR FATHERS WORD IS OVERHWELMING TO THE POINT I GO ON THIS MASSIVE STUDY SPREES, I RELAX WHEN I REMEMBER MY VISIONS AND SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCES, PROVING TO ME THE KJV , EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT FLOW AND NOT BE AS PERFECT AS THE ORIGINAL, IT IS ENOUGH TO GET ATLEAST ENOUGH OF GODS WORD OUT TO US..ITS VERY AGGRAVATING TO ME NOT TO HAVE THE ORIGINALS AND NOT TO BE ABLE TO READ GREEK..BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE GREEK IS BASICALLY IN THE KJV...AND MY FAITH IN THE FACT THAT GOD WILL NOT LET A MAN THAT IS STRIVING TO BE HIS CHILD NOT HAVE HIS WORD...IF ANYONE HAS SOME COULD SUGGESTIONS OF BIBLES LET ME KNOW PLEASE...BUT LIKE I SAID DONT GET TOO FREAKED OUT..I AM A WITNESS TO WHAT IS IN THE KJV IS THE PATH TO GOD
ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THE ARTISTRY AND IMAGES OF CHRIST AND BIBLICAL SCENES IN MOST COUNTIRES IVE VISITED ON THE NET, PRESENT CHRIST AS A HEALTHY POWERFUL SPIRITUAL GOD, NOT LIKE IN AMERICA WHERE HE IS ALWAYS BEATEN BLOODED OR ON THE CROSS OR ALL THREE..I LIKE SEEING OR MESSIAH AS A POWERFUL HEALTHY SPIRITUAL GOD MORE THAN SEEING HIM HURT AND WEAKENED..THAT IN ITSELF I THINK SHOWS YOU THERE IS AN AGENDA..AND NO I DONT THINK IM STRETCHING IT..I GET THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW WHAT HE WENT TR\HROUGH FOR US..BUT I KNOW WHAT HE WENT THROUGH..I DONT LIKE THINKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY
Using Hellas Pronunciation of Nouns in Antiquity The Texts have a much more Clear Understanding PTOLEMY (R TAS LO AMI) YOU SAY PUGH TOLL OH ME You are not my People R TAS = are Lo = Not Ami = My People
The Septuagint is a Post-Apostolic work. No existence of its present status is known to modern scholarship till the 17th century. And that as a strickly speculative constructive work.
Live Poetic Agreed. If he had maybe 4 times the time i think he would have laid out what he was trying to say. This guy sounds like really he needs an entire semester of a college course to get into the topic in the necessary detail. Also he was trying to adjust on the fly to his audiences experience level.
@@joshportie have you actually studied the septuagint vs the masoretic text vs. the English translations? A few hours with a couple of reference tools and it is easy to verify the septuagint was the primary reference text for new testament authors (doing a line by line comparison). The masoretic texts (commonly used in english translations). Literally came along 700-1000 years later (which no one debates or disputes who's doing bible translation) Also it seems clear if you spend a little more time on it that the masoretic texts were altered by unbelieving jewish scribes. For example the masertic texts reads "A young woman shall be with child"!!! While the.septuigaint reads "A Virgin will be with child ". (and note Hebrew does have separate terms for Virgin and young woman). To me this appears a clear example of later jewish scribes attempting to db down the prophetic verifications of the Christ in scripture. There is strong reason to study the septuagint
1. In the days of Christ, the only Scripture known to most Jews was the Septuagint Old Testament written in ancient Greek. And so, we care not what this professor thinks the Septuagint meant, we care only what Christ's followers thought it meant. 2. And so, why did the professor make no effort to explain what the followers of Christ perceived as the words flowed from the mouth of Christ? Because, all Bibles are published by the rich, since the dark ages all of Christianity has been ruled by the rich and if the profession dared to expose the fake morality and fiction salvation brainwashed into us by the rich, who could the profession earn a living? 3. SIXTH COMMANDMENT “Do not be deceitful to a neighbor, your witness that of a liar.” ou yeudomarturhseiß kata tou plhsion sou marturian yeudh Ex 20:16 OGV BIBLE FICTION "Do not bear false witness (in court) against your neighbor." In the above Text the last Greek word is "yeudh," which means "liar." And so, what can be said about the rich who have published all the Bibles, and all the Bible scholars who are paid only by the rich, when all Bibles are saturated by gross corruption too numerous to mention? BIBLE FICTION 4. We cannot both give all our wealth to the poor and receive "many times more in this age." Therefore, the Bible has a subjective and relative form of morality. 5. We cannot be a pacifist who turns the other cheek and never goes to court, while we bear the sword for government. Therefore, the Bible does have human error. 6. Christ and John the Baptist did not both die without faith. Therefore, the Bible cannot replace our ability to use logic and reasoning.
@MadMax™ Whatever the validity of the Letter of Aristeas, or parts of it, the LXX was in use by the Jews from the 3rd century BC/BCE. The Jews were in a friendly Greek culture for a long while under the Ptolemies. Greek was the lingua franca of that area and time. Jesus knew it because many of his sayings cannot be understood without it. There is no question of this. Also without question, it predates Jesus, but it predicts Jesus. The Masoretic is admitted to be based on flawed scripts. What is also true is that if Christianity did not exist, Jewish scholars would be all over the LXX trying to reconcile it with the Masoretic text, or rather, vice versa. I'll add this since Hanukkah is here: The Seleucids did great damage to the Jews by burning their Torahs. What damage they did, the Romans added to. Hannukkah is to celebrate that the Jews survived in spite of great persecution. But they barely did so, and not without loss of good/complete Torah manuscripts. Finally, the LXX is more compliant with the Dead Sea scrolls than the Masoretic. That is fact as well.
@MadMax™ The Greek Bible. Check this link out Also other scholars support what the video above says about the LXX being more compliant (a lot more) with the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
@@babhag5481 Dare? It is accepted. I gave this link just above. Here it is again. For more, Google is your friend. preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/ You need to learn about your religion. The current Tanakh (your version) has verses that show that Jesus was "like" the Messiah predicted. If the Masoretic had not been manipulated, it would show that Jesus WAS the Messiah. See this: th-cam.com/video/BekFQTFLK4E/w-d-xo.html Here are SOME differences between the Septuagint (LXX) and the Masoretic Text (MT) that obscure that Jesus was the Messiah. Note that Hebrew = MT here: web.archive.org/web/20040602211822/www.scripturecatholic.com/septuagint.html Note that there are changes to the dates of the prophets so as to make it appear that Jesus could not be of the order of Melchizedek. See this: www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Septuagint-LXX-Shem-was-Melchizedek-Masoretic-chronology-Messiah-Jesus-Christ-priesthood.htm Happy learning.
There is the Old Test, the New Test, and now, with the Book of Mormon, there is Another Test. To this I can attest, and that is, it appears none can pass a test. [TEACH : CHEAT]
@@alondon6950 I think Brian Thomson knows what he is talking about!! The first 5 books of Moses was translated by the 72 scribes, when was the rest translated??? That is the BIG question!!!
So salvation is dependent on weather braids or the word braid is translated as locks or locks are braids... so bad.... what if they mean the same and thats not something that a version means its not saying the same thing. Good reason to split up a church? nope its like saying the chruch carpet should be light green or dark green. Either way, it shouldnt keep people out of heaven. 72 individuals translated the original jewish manuscripts and were locked in their individual rooms... they brought out the translations from each of the 72 and there were litterally 0 differences that would make the translations radical or different. The masoritic jews moved words and colluded to remove jesus as the savior. this is the vareient that produced the fall of the jews forever now. they removed the lienage from jesus and say that jesus wasnt related to Abraham and he wasnt in the line of noah.
Man is so passionate and far more well read than I am, and assume most others to be.
There is something so humbling about receiving information from such a person. Who dedicated so much of their life to the mastery of a subject.
Thank you for your dedication.
Very rushed but very insightful. Wish a copy of the handout were available.
Brilliant presentation, so far. I've gotta get a copy! I wish I had a handout😊
What do you think of the Sahidic Coptic. and the Trinity. ?.
The Trinity is strictly an original Native Egyptian concept.
No such thing as false idol "Trinity".
It's the Father's spirit.
What's the lecturers name...
Jumps around and, IMO, is not confident in what he claims. It is easy to see that the Greek New Testament quotes the LXX. The LXX is older than the DSS. the MT was created after the New Testament was written. Pick apart the LXX all you want, the LXX is older than the DSS and the MT. Of the extant manuscripts of the LXX, DSS and MT, the oldest LXX manuscripts are older than the DSS and MT. The DSS proves that the LXX is much closer to the original and lost Hebrew Bible than is the MT that was created after Christianity began.
Agreed. His way of explaining textual primacy was pretty awkward, backward & tortured. Was hard to follow. Seemed to purposely do this so as to protect the culture feelings around the masoretic.
Well said Ken
Is the LXX the Septuagint?
Yes
@@PhantomNitesYes it is. LXX is 70 or Septuagint in Greek.
So what is he saying? Can somebody summarize the cliff note versions of what he's trying to say? I'm No scholar of course.
I have a question; Which version is correct in the case of Genesis 11:12 to the end of the chapter, in your opinion? Thank you.
Hopefully this video can answer that question.
m.th-cam.com/video/VI1yRTC6kGE/w-d-xo.html
The Samaritan Pentateuch agrees with the LXX, which both disagree with the Masoretic version in the KJV.
The best English bible is the 1611 authorized version. The modern blaney edition 1700s of the kjv is better than todays though
@@joshportie the chronogenealogies in genesis are corrupted in the masoretic text.
@@joshportie The 1611 AVKJ is the most accurate one. It was written with the blood of many saints. To understand the incredible effects that that version, which is the pure Word of God, had in all aspects of life at that time , one must study history in depth to capitulate the bravado The Word has conquered in science, education, economy and morality. All that because written English became very much accessible to even the minor classes. Scotland is a perfect example of that. It truly was the coming out of darkness into great light.
What was the name of the king's printer that printed the 1611 King James Bible?? Here's a couple of very revealing hints... Truth or Consequences and The Price is Right.
Robert Barker
I have a question, my family and I only knew of the Septuagint we recognized it as a gift from God. I Dιscovered later in life as in a young adult that there were groups of Christians who used an Old Testament called the Masoretic Text. My question is as follows, why is the Septuagint rejected by so many Western Christians?
For three centuries, the KJV in America was the only translation. Its public domain status ensures cheap reprinting that even the poorest person can afford. These poor, typically uneducated people grow up under its influence, and when they start reading other translations that quote from better sources than Medieval Jewish Masoretic texts the KJV is based on, they think that version is corrupt rather than the one they grew up with.
So, to answer your question, the KJV-Only movement is rooted mostly in ignorance, poverty and tradition. It's mainly propagated by the Independent Fundamentalist Holyroller Preacher crowd who never received a formal education in Biblical languages or critical study, and preys on the ignorance of his flock. There's a _ton_ of these guys in America.
Because it is an earlier translation, more accurate.
If a more accurate version contradicts one that your family has held dear for hundreds of year, it will be ignored.
Meaning your version has been adopted in convenience and not in accuracy.
Could possibly be wrong. Which would discredit generations of faithful service, etc.
obviously it would be rejected, or your ancestors would look like fools.
So to save face they blindly adheare to common understanding instead of attempting to use more accurate information to update their beliefs.
Comments dripping with sarcasm are ignorant because they defend pride over understanding.
I hope you can take an unbiased look at my comment. If possible.
They are.
@@HunterCrim4767 hi, I am a bit confused by your comments, are you alluding to Moseretic text being more accurate than the Septuagint? Thanks in advice for your answer.
@@HunterCrim4767so are you saying the MT is me reliable or is it the Septuagint?
@@latinboyyy305 Yes, I had the same question. But we read it in English so is he saying we should learn Masoretic or use a Bible translated from Masoretic? Thanks, all fascinating.
Deut 23:2 in The Septuagint (the original authentic bible) doesn't say "Bastard".. it says "one born of a harlot shall not enter into the assembly of the Lord."
The "great harlot"; The World.
@@MLODIST No, an actual harlot.
The Original bible was not written in Greek, it was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. The Septuagint is a translation of the original.
@@rennyskiathitis8178 No, the original Old Testament was not written in Greek but there are contesting views about whether the Hebrew behind the LXX or the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text are the more original, more trustworthy text. The LXX certainly was the original Bible of the Apostles.
@st r As the professor pointed out; the Masoretic text is younger than the LXX texts and no-one knows if the MAsoretic is translated from the LXX or if it was taken from Hebrew. The reason being that the Masoretic text was written in Saint Petersberg Russia in 1008AD
I find that a good word for word translation of the greek NT is Kenneth guest's Expanded new testament of the bible..there are commentary he has also
Kenneth Wuest.
Any opinion on Zane and Hodges?
no such thing as a word for word. unreadable and words have different meanings in different languages. you need thought for thought.
@@christopherskipp1525 you mean zane hodges and farstad greek new testament majority text its pretty good best apparatus is wilbur pickering f35
@@lloydcrooks712 What is Wilbur Pickering? Thank you.
The text of the Septuagint you read today is simply the old testament portion of codex Vaticanus. It's age is about 300CE. The dead sea scrolls are several hundred years older than this text. It is a work of the Church not of Jews.
what would Brigham young say about him talking here
Who cares? 🤷🏾♂️
Hymn
Nothing since Bingham was a deviant papal puppet just like this guy.
All modern translations including KJV defer to the altered masoretic text. the orthodox study Bible has corrected the KJV with LXX.
But I am sure glad he got Barbra Streisand and his other jokes in.
the original Septuagint in which 72 rabbis were forced to translate from hebrew into greek was only the Torah the first five books being Genesis to Deuteronomy. No one has that copy
Septuagint removed Isaiah 2:22-30 and 36????
It does indeed seem that the translators of the LXX translated as many terms as possible for a Greek-speaking readership, rather than preserving (and adding more obscurity) proper names specific to a certain language, people, region etc.
A 'Gentile' Old Testament.
Its a fake. It goes against mosaic law.
@@joshportie please give an example of how it goes against the Law of Moses.
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I realize this is an old comment but I’m curious how the conclusion of the LXX being “a gentile Old Testament” was reached. Considering that all of the Jews in the first century, including Jesus and his disciples, were using it? Literally all of the Jews and the Jewish religious authorities relied on it.
@@shawnglass108 Yeah, sometimes I cringe at the things I wrote 5 minutes ago, but I kind of stand by what I THINK I meant, namely: the Jews who translated their Hebrew Bible into Greek seem to have had in mind a somewhat heathenish readership, or at least, have translated it such that it's amenable to people with less knowledge of the inricacies or Hebraisms of Jerusalem.
Go on to those things and ... click , You get it . Can't wait to here what he says next
That because you’re an atheist hacker 😂😂😂 could hear the excitement in your, unwarrantedly neglected comment.
Any results? I wonder, completely unrelated to my first comment.
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what called the Bible in hebrew and greek?
What?
I don't understand why anyone would use any translation like the Septuagint instead of using the original Hebrew.
The original Hebrew does not exist. The masoretic Old Testament is dated around 1000AD. The Greek Septuagint and Samaritan Pentateuch predate the masoretic text by hundreds of years.
@@davidkehrer7342 Yes the Septuagint was written before the Hebrew texts and was a figment of the imagination of 70 the rabbis that created it. In fact all the bible texts are written long after, the OT was written only around the time of the 2nd temple and is based on history and mythology but the NT was pure mythology compiled from several of the new cults around 1800 years ago much like the Quran all is pure BS.
@@davidkehrer7342what about Dead Sea scrolls are they older then Lxx?
@@Rajul_Jamilwhat about the Dead Sea scrolls are they older then the Lxx?
@@truthhurts6327 I was being facetious but in fact the Torah was written by Moses during the 40 years in the desert and copied by all the tribes. The rules for copying a Totah were also given by Moses and today there are hundreds of thousands of Torahs and only a few differences between them but no difference in wording.
Comes across as sloppy due to informality of speech. At roughly 19:00 mention of King James Version (KJV) as some sort of dominant text, is false in that this might apply to English speaking protestants, but not Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics. The Orthodox, which out number the protestants, use the Greek Bible, or variants in church languages, like Church Slavonic - in effect the Septuagint (pronounced SEP-too-uh-JINT). So, its use is wide spread.
As to the significance of the differences in the Septuagint and the Masoretic, at roughly 20:20 are not small. The Masoretic has changed or omitted text that serve to negate Jesus' compliance with prophecy, among other differences.
Your takeaway from this ought to be: 1. there is value in learning about the LXX (common shorthand for the Septuagint) 2. there are significant differences between the LXX and the Masoretic, 3. the LXX has greater commonality to the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic, and 4. the LXX predates the Masoretic (first 5 books) by at least 1200 years. The latter 2 points were made by the speaker if you listened closely. Also, some of Jesus' sayings cannot be understood without the LXX. There is more to this.
@MadMax™ Called away and lost what I had started. But here goes with version #2. As to your second point. I do not see the Jews in second place. Jesus came to the Jews first. I see two tracks, which is likely not canonical with any of the major flavors of Christianity, but is the only way I reconcile what Jesus said. The Jews must follow the Law of Moses. This is not the same as having two sets of dishes. Study Jesus' parables. When passing over, righteous Jews will have the chance to see Who Jesus is and therefore be saved. The other way is for Gentiles, and is easier.
As to
the Masoretic changing what preceded it (pre-1000 AD +/), I'll provide one reference, but there are many more, including from established scholars. Note that the video ^^ says that the LXX is more compliant with the Dead Sea Scrolls than is the Masoretic. About the 20:00 mark.
This link below is pretty substantial but is not by any means comprehensive.
preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
Good luck with your quest.
I have a question,
how are those that support the LXX doing so since it no longer exist.
I understand we don’t have ANYTHING original, NT OT, Greek Hebrew, Nothing, nada, zip, zero!
Is the LXX preserved in other writings?
@@Davey3 The LXX (Septuagint) DOES exist today. It exists directly in the Greek Orthodox Church, in its liturgies and related texts. It lives in translation in Church Slavonic and other tongues. I understand there is a variant in the Samaritan language/Aramaic. It lives in the various Codices (Codexes) in libraries and monasteries. Did you listen to what the speaker said, and to what I wrote above?
Don't know what you mean by "original". The LXX Codexes are very old. The Dead Sea Scrolls are very old. There are fragments in various places and types that are very old. Being mostly ink on parchment, these must be copied onto new parchment as the parchment ages.
What is your expectation as to "original"? Is there a Tanakh in ancient Hebrew script in its entirety? I do not think so. Is there a Septuagint dated from 200 BCE? I do not think so. But what was said +/- by the speaker - from memory - and what I reported, the Septuagint (LXX) is more faithful to the original Hebrew than the Masoretic text.
If Jesus did not exist, Jewish scholars would be all over the LXX as a means to determine what the "original" Tanakh said. But because the Masoretic text has been edited to omit passages that support Jesus's life story, there is no interest in doing so.
This is the case even though the LXX has complete or better texts with no messianic implications. Hanukkah marks a very dark period in Jewish history. The Seleucids did great damage to the Hebrew text inventory. Passages were lost. This is well before Christianity. The Greek language LXX was not as ravaged by the Seleucids. This may help:
th-cam.com/video/Xe4R9ThNA5g/w-d-xo.html
Own Petard
Thank you for the reply, I will try to listen again to what is said but my attention span is short today and the speaker needs to get straight to the point instead of singing memories by Barbara Streisand
All I know is the manuscripts we have are not the originals but copies of copies and I heard a man say we don’t have the original LXX just like we don’t have any original NT manuscripts their all copies of copies.
They are preserved in the copies but there are no originals at all only copies of all religious books.
So i think my Questioned is still valid and If I understand you correctly, the LXX is also preserved in the Greek copies of it! Yes?
Original meaning the actual written scroll by the actual author that’s what is meant by original, hope this makes sense.
@@Davey3 Cannot use your definition of "original" for any religious text so far as I am aware. Applies to Judaism, Christianity, even Mormonism. As to the copies, there are variations in all of them among the various copies. Mostly small within a "type", like the LXX as a type or the Masoretic as a type. But there are bigger differences between the LXX and Masoretic, for example.
There is a Greek version of the LXX still used by the the Greek Orthodox today. It is highly congruent with the various "ancient" Codices, such as the Vatican and the Alexandrian, etc.
I find this rather funny. A language scholar speaking to Mormons whose prophet claimed he could read something he called reformed Egyptian and dreamed up the Pearl of Great Price. Mormons don't go by true language professors they simply look into a hat and come up with a new translation.
He smart and knows a lot…but he doesn’t know BYU uses the KJV? I thought everyone knew Mormons use the KJV.
What if God _actually _*__meant_* to use Greek for the 1st 15 centuries of common literacy *_because that is exactly what HE DID DO FOR THE 1ST 15 CENTURIES OF COMMON LITERACY_* ??
The question then would be: What God are you referring to?
1. "God" 👈🏿 is a GERMAN word! 💡
2. Who said Greek is the language YHWH (or YHVH) used when His chosen people are authentically Hebrew? 🤔
3. What, then, would be the purpose for YHWH/Yeshua at ANY point being recorded as speaking in Hebrew? 🤷🏾♂️
Hymn
@@i.AmHymn who said Greek is the language? He who alters and mislead the masses of who "God" is.. the Devil...Satan. This guy believe God used the Greeks to evolve, but the Greek was not aware that the Will of God was devolving.
@@aimmortalslegacy2189 #ThatPart! 💯
Hymn
@@i.AmHymn the European keep missing the point.. God said what the Devil would do.. what the synagogue of Satan role would be in scattering Gods people. Lol Say God in Greek.. Arabic or whatever.. the wheat and tare is very distinguishable from one another at this point.
By the way, the Bible tells you it’s an allegory and that Jesus never spoke unless it was in parables. Allegory and Parables. It’s a story and your reading it wrong.
Canonization=Politicization
The Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain Ta'amei
The people who were translating did fine. A bunch of Karens.
It you don't trust the Septuagint which is actually just the name of the number LXX which is 70.
The current one is not related to the original lost one.
The problem is if its not the original and you don't except it, what other written scriptures/writings are available?
What else is there to translate from? The Torah was translated from the LXX. There is no original Hebrew text even the present Hebrew was translated to Hebrew from the LXX. And there is no known original Hebrew language because Hebrew. was part of a family language that included more then 20 languages.
God knew exactly what He was doing documenting His word exclusively in the first language with vowels and grammar and the acuity of Greek for the first 15 centuries of human literacy.. and He told Zephaniah (3:9) and Dan (7:6) that _He would_ do that.. so it's just a matter of time before these who profess themselves to wise hear God declare in no uncertain terms .. "I meant to do that" and "I told you to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and scribes" and not to follow the vanity of scribes who call themselves Jews but can not prove they are from the tribe of Judah... the bottom line is that mankind would never have been able to know the precision of the word of God until the 12th century Jews agreed how to point the consonants for meaning in the 12th century AD.. Fortunately for us, God had copies of the LXX waiting for the apostles in every synagogue from Spain to Ethiopia so all men could worship God in one consent and search the scriptures that testified of Jesus Christ (John 5:39) so that "all nations" could be saved. (Gen 18:18 & 22:18)
+intruthbygrace
almost all hebrew verbs have a 3 letter root.ie SH.M.R (shamar) which means he guarded, kept, watched so the meaning doesn't differ that much.but we can tell a lot by the context how to interpret it.
the 4 original hebrew gospels have been found and are slowly being revealed and authenticated.
th-cam.com/channels/fhVMXuGiQLNW6wpbzEot7w.html
start @31.06
@@mikha007 Your link doesn't work... I'm interested to see
@@chrispalmer1255 I think its in the related episodes of this th-cam.com/video/5bnrU3sI1_A/w-d-xo.html its a 3 or 4 part series
There’s no proof of any scriptures predating LXX. There’s no real proof of an original Hebrew Old Testament. The Septuagint Greek is the oldest Bible manuscript we have and it’s 3rd century bce.
He called Trinity denying, works righteousness beleivin, heretics "other Protestants."
It would be wonderful if some of the LANGUAGE SCHOLARS would do lectures on the Ancient Holy Languages the ETHIOPIANS speak - GEEZ, ARAMAIC, AMHARIC. The ANCIENT ETHIOPIANS were living thousands of years ago and are mentioned throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament. They spoke the same language as many of the Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Apostles; The Ethiopian Ruler who spoke with Philip on the Road heading to Jerusalem. Why not investigate the languages of the modern day descendants of the Ancient Ethiopians. Thank you.
"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." - 1 Tim 1:4
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." - Gal 3:28
Basically God says: Don't be racist.
Instead of leaving a “book” of my word would you like to know what I would leave a monument that could not be duplicated in anyway thus the pyramids of Giza that teaches “man, know thyself”. You know what is right you know what is wrong. Tree of good and evil sound familiar? It is your choice to preform good but also your choice to be evil. I choose to be good so I turned evil away or backwards. Evil backwards spells what? LIVE! Know thyself and love one another you don’t need an invisible boogeyman to do what’s right
God Bless you. :)
let all be aware that the bible used by Jesus and the apostles was the SEPTUAGINT. statement made by Dr. Chuck Missler.
As revered as Chuck was he was also known to have promoted one or two falsehoods. This claim is certainly one. Indeed, such a claim is impossible to authenticate since Christ and the apostles never intimated anything close to this. Nor can one reach the conclusion that Christ quoted from the Septuagint by comparing texts as this would amount to merely asserting the consequent.
@MadMax™ The LXX is older than the Masoretic
Athanasius Contra Marxism That is true. The Greek LXX is older than the Masoteric Text. Hellenistic Jews used the Greek text.
Ren does the Septuagintlxx predates the Torah and the Tanakh?
The Septuagintlxx predates the Torah and the Tanakh. Who wrote The Torah?
i hope he can feed himself ok. I hope those students had time to get a dictionary to figure out some of his words.
You do realize he’s a BYU and most of that audience spoke both languages and probably Aramaic as well. I highly doubt they need a dictionary for anything he said.
Its intresting that the jewish people werent writing before 700-600Bc as there is no real proof orhard proof of any writing. Also considering that they were taken to babylon by king Nebucudnesser, also directly after the persians took over til 330Bc after alexander the great ruled the world. Also taking into consideration that Alexanders conquest of the most document conquest of the ancient world. And Alexander conquered every kingdom from greence to india and theres no recording of any jewish land or temple before the time of Rome. We also know that when king ptolemy commissioned the bibles translation, they were no writings to translate. The greeks had to obtain 70 jews from different areas at that time, and place them in the library of Alexandira, and the jews where also placed in separate rooms to tell there religious story. and the greeks found that the jews did in fact share the same story, and thus was translated. Had the jews had written the bible? The library of Alexandira would have had many copies. We know this because boats, ships going into alexandria where searched for books or other writings. Often compensating the ship owners. The books were always taken back to the library.. there is no real Hebrew texts, because abraham was babyloian and so was all his sons till Amon. As Manassah was placed king by Joseph. The was no hebrew language at this point. As Abraham, was babyloian and issac, jacob, joseph would have spoken, egyption and ba babyloian.. this also means moses who was born in egypt would not have spoken hebrew. Thus the 10 commandents would have needed to be in egyption if he were to understand them as well as the jews. Intresting to state. That Manassah is king in 681bc, jacob or Israel was born in 985Bc however Moses who was born around 1300BC is talking about freeing the people of jacob or Israel? So it means moses is talking anout a people not yet alive 600 im the future as jacob wasn't israel till near the end of his life. This means moses in 1300bc is talking about israel who was alive 985Bc. This is the same as king solomon talking about jacob who isnt born yet as solomon was king in 970BC. Plus Manassah who was king in 681bc is israels grandson. And gives us real dates..ive read all 5 bibles. The great bible, Bishops bible, Catholic bible, the greek and the torah. The greek is the only original bible known to man. But many of the words cannot be translated into English as many words in English never existed and vise vera.. plus its intresting that the jewish religion never caught on, untill the Roman Emporor Constantine inforeced it under rule of death, backed up with the roman army. Octavain who conquered egypt and took it as his own private estate never embraced the jewish religion. As there are many stone busts of Octavain wearing the pharohs crown and other egyption dresses etc. Thus inforcing that roman or pagen religions were still in full effect...its also interesting when ive been tring to trace jewish writing before 700Bc is impossible and does not exist. The only bit of evidence is shadey at best. A peace of stone with a scribble of untidy writing saying.. the house of david. And the jews says its king david and thus its 1000s of years old. However the so called king david who built the first temple and formed the first United israe and ruled over them plus killing a Giant? Would not have a scruffy bit of stone with his name loosely scribbled on it. Had it been king davids it would have been finely carved and his na,e would be everywhere as well as king solomon, because he saw himself as king of all kings, and thus would be alot of evidence. However the jewish people who wrote the first bible would not have inclued theses tales of king david or solomon, due to the greedy nature of the greeks, any news of some great temple and land would have been noticed by Alexanders commanders who ruled the known world. Also its intresting the name of moses comes from tut-moses, the 3 pharohs alive just before moses was supposed to be alive. Also the Jew's would not have written about any exodus during the translations of the bible because the jews were in fact occupying alexandria egypt or a very large population was recorded to jave been there. Thus the egytion temple priests would not have tolerated a story of a wicket pharoh who kills inoccent children etc. That would have been a foolish move on the jews part, thus the 5 books of moses was written long after
+the doctor
dont be a moron.
the 10 commands were written in paleo hebrew and moses spoke hebrew.abraham was a chaldean and most people would have been bi lingual
Very interesting… I also have similar views on this… as an adopted son, Moses would have taken the name after the pharaoh Tutmoses.. the pharaohs used the snake and a crooked staff as a sign of divinity so I am assuming that this originated from Moses demonstrating Gods power when his shepherds staff turned into a snake and devoured the ones made by the magicians …
A delightful & friendly fellow. Unfortunately, he takes too many words to say too few things. Wasn't as informative or insightful as I was hoping.
All of this madness after the capital was moved from Memphis to Alexandria
From Rome to Constantinople to arab lands to then america
It’s all a madness of opinions and edits and translation movements loose essence 😩
Starting with Barbara Streisand was a huge mistake .
WOW. Only 20 min in and the speaker has made several false claims. I wonder if he is even a Christian.
And LDS was nowhere to be found .
To make it simple. A translation can never be a better version of the original manuscript. Therefore Hebrew can’t be translated to overshadow this language, ~ especially as G-d chose to use it.
Your Masoretic text is no where near the original..
Mercy Fields not only that, but clearly the Lord Jesus would have chosen the greek language as it was a more widespread language. Why would the apostles preach in a language others could not understand. I personally believe the messiah spoke in 2 or more languages. The apostles, or at least the apostle Paul spoke in greek.
Live Poetic - it does appear that for 300 years God was preparing the field for the gospel to go to The Gentiles by giving them the Old Testament in Greek so they could see and hear the fulfilment of the law and the prophets. Timothy’s grandmother and mother were Hellenistic Jews and his father was Greek, Paul commended the efforts Timothy’s family had put into teaching him the Old Testament which was highly likely to be the LXX. “All Scripture is God breathed...”. I sometimes wonder if Timothy said that because people were unsure if the LXX was worthy or should they all learn Hebrew and try and get the Scribes and Pharisees to let them read for themselves the scrolls those men kept to a special elite of learners.
@@debbieward9732 stop with the lies. The gospel may have been available but the promise of the covenant was never given to the gentiles of other nations.
@@livepoetic390 what was the lingua franca of that time?
Oh how I would love to get a PhD in philology.
+Michael Henry - Anything is possible. I recommend starting with the classical languages, or any ancient language of your choice. Then study paleography, or specifically, the way writing has changed over time. Philology is merely a mixture of these two disciplines combined with history and logic. - It is my belief that all people are capable of following their passions, if you want it then you should go for it.
Cardinal Denlinger I have been working on on learning this stuff for 30 years 😀
Keep it up, I'm sure God is still using you to do a great work.
@@MichaelHenryChesed with the right info/teacher you can "learn" aka remember it in a moment
Or a PHD in Jesuit casuistry.....
18:30 "it was standard speech in 17th century English to say thou." False.
Thou had fallen out of use by the early 1500's. The reason the KJV translators utilized thou vs ye was in order to differentiate between the singular and plural second person pronouns in the Greek & Hebrew.
Did the bible really take place in Africa?? And the story got white-washed??
To be Fair, the guy didn't have a lot of time. However, there are a ton of assumptions and bias entwined. He "sounds" legit and the title markets well but this is dressed up or camouflaged toeing of the line. Dont Be KJV Only but be careful to be KJV First.
These details we as chritians get buy others don't lol
If the Septuagint actually translated the Hebrew to Greek, albeit keeping the meaning of the words originally given the same for both, then I could accept the Greek. It doesn't thus when the Greek was translated to English there are more errors as there are words in the English bibles that do not mean the same as original Hebrew words that were used. Case in point the Hebrew word 'mamzer' does not have the same meaning as the English word 'bastard'.
Rabbi Tovia Singer would distroy this nonsense.
@Jeff Payne Anyone who puts their authority into the Talmud should not be taken seriously.
the original 72 rabbis were forced translate the first five books of Torah into Koine greek Genesis to Deuteronomy only. No one has that original copy.
Origen translated the balance of the Christian old Testament using the hexapla method from fragments of greek Aramaic and Hebrew.
The orthodox Hebrew Tanakh used today match the dead Sea scrolls . No Christian old testament comes close. Martin Luther and Erasmus as well as Sir Issac Newton stated Septuagint was changed and attempted to learn to read Hebrew original.J Jerome later translated into Latin Vulgate.
Why then when Jesus quotes the Old Testament does it match 90% of time with the Septuagint? There is more detail in the LXX which is older than Masoretic.
@@jaqian
mitzvah golem is correct!!!
What he says, is right in the Preface of the Septuagint;
The pseudepigraphal Letter of Aristeas contains a legend of the miraculous completion of the translation of the Pentateuch by a committee of seventy-two translators. This legend provides the basis for the title we use today,
Brannan, R., Penner, K. M., Loken, I., Aubrey, M., & Hoogendyk, I. (Eds.). (2012). The Lexham English Septuagint. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.
Let me ask you, can a translation EVER be more accurate, than the original?
@@willscholten1737 No.
@@joseg.solano1891
Did you do the math???
What do you get, when you divide 6250 by 3959?
You would have no problem seeing that curve, would you!!!!!!
Watch the videos.
The globe is all a big lie!!!!
@@willscholten1737 I was answering your question.
Septuagint is the REAL text of the Old Testament (Tanakh).
Because the Jewish text of the Old Testament was changed by Massoretic rephorm.
As much as I like the LXX let's not start praising it here. There are quite a few baffling mistakes.
He uses C.E. instead of A.D. You can ignore everything he says due to that fact.
*****
glad the ass agrees
nonsense
The KJV, seriously, I couldn't watch this after that. The KJV is only prevalent in Protestant English speaking communities. Which only make up a small fraction of Christians.
What? The KJB fell out of the pocket of Jesus Christ himself on to the sands of the sea of Galilee where it was later found by Bishop Thomas Cranmer. Jesus wrote by hand every word in Elizabethan English and invented the chapter and verse groupings too. It the only bible actually the word of God otherwise why do they parachute English KJBs into the Amazon jungle for the natives to be saved.
LOLOL
who cares for having Greek to English we need hebrew straight to English ppl
The Greek is the only version on file that is said to derive from the "Original Hebrew" The professor brings up a very good point that the greek is a witness of the Hebrew and not a literal translation itself...everything else is considered "corrupted" due to the in-fighting among the Jewish sects. The MT, DSS etc..
what video did you watch for the in-fighting among the Hebrew sects?
IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE HOURS AND HOURS OF SEARCHING I HAVE DONE..THE PALEO HEBREW IS GONE..THE NEW TESTAMENT IF EVER WRITTEN OR TRANSLATED IN PALEO HEBREW IS NO WHERE TO BE FOUND..I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THERE IS AN AGENDA TO KEEP IT FROM US..THE INTERNET HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN JUST THE PAST FEW MONTHS..I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THE WAR ON CHRISTIANITY IS ALIVE AND WELL, THE INTERNET BEING A HUGE PART OF THE ENEMIES DEVICES..I VISIT GREEK EXTENSIONS AND CANNOT FIND MUCH..ANY TRANSLATION APPLICATIONS OFFERED IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE..I DID MUCH STUDY ON WILLIAM TYNDALE AND ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN THE ORIGINAL FRAGMENTS, THEY HAVE SOME IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT FROM THERE YOU HAVE TO BE GRANTED PERMISSION..EITHER WAY THE ONLY FRAGMENTS OF ANYTHING CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS FRAGMENTS..THE VETUS LATINA IS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND..THE VETUS LATINA WAS THE OLD ITALIC BIBLE WHICH SHOULD BE VERY ACCURATE IN MY OPINION..BUT THERE IS A OBVIOUS AGENDA TO KEEP IT SUPPRESSED..MOST OF US KNOW THE ANTICHRIST BEHAVIOURS OF ROME, IT IS DIFICULT TO FIND ANYTHING AVAILABLE BEFORE THE 1500S,(WHAT WORRIES ME KINDA IS THIS IS WHEN IT SEEMED THE PAPACY WAS MAD OVER CONTROLLING WHAT WAS SEEN IN BIBLES){AND STILL IS} THE WYCLIFFE BUT IT IS A POOR TRANSLATION, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TOOK GREAT PAINS TO MAKE SURE ONLY WHAT THEY DEEMED ACCEPTABLE WAS AND IS AVAILABLE FROM THE EARLY 1500S ON..TYNDALE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAILS SUPPOSEDLY TO TRANSLATE THE BIBLE INTO ENGLISH, AND HE SEEMED FAIRLY CAPABLE OF DOING IT..HIS ORIGINALS WERE DESTROYED AND ONLY THE EDITED VERSIONS ARE ACCESSIBLE, THE ONLY TRUE VERSION IS 1526..AND ITS FRAGMENTS..AND HE USED THE SEPTUAGINT FOR THE OT..HE SEEMED CREDIBLE BUT ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WHAT IS WRITTEN..WHAT THREW ME OFF ABOUT HIM WAS HE TRANSLATED WITH A CATHOLIC..WHETHER THAT WAS JUST TO DISCREDIT HIM IDK, THE STORY IS HE WAS MARTYRED AND DIED PROCLAIMING CHRIST...AFTER ALL THE SEARCHING I HAVE DONE..AND TRUST ME I HAVE DONE ALOT...THE ONLY THING TO DO IS TO LEARN KIONE GREEK, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS A HUGE FEAT. I HAVE A STRONG SUSPISCION THE VATICAN HAS MANY ORIGINAL ANCIENT MANUSCRIPTS..I HAVE SCOURED MEDIEVAL ATLASES , ALMANACS..JUST LOOKING FOR CLUES...IANYWAY I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON..ALL I KNOW IS THE KING JAMES HAS WORKED FOR ME, THE KJV IS ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE AS I CAN SEE..JUST WRITTEN VERY DIFFERENTLY AND MORE ROUGHLY..THE KJV HAS GOT ME INTO THE GRACES OF THE FATHER , I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VISITED AND GIVEN REST, I HAVE RECIEVED SEVERAL VISIONS..I HAVE BEEN IN THE SPIRIT, AND BEEN GIVIN BLISSFUL REST, CONFIRMING GLATIANS IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH..MY EXPERIENCES AFTER MUCH MUCH FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE HAS GOTTEN ME THESE THINGS..I AM GREATLY THANKFUL AND LOVE OUR KING..BUT MARK MY WORDS AND I WILL BE WILLING TO DIE FOR THE TRUTH I AM TELLING YOU..THAT THE HOLY GHOST HAS LITERALLY VISITED ME AND GIVEN ME A GLIMPSE OF THE FEELINGS OF OUR REWARD, I WAS LET INTO THE SPIRIT FORM 3 DIFFERENT TIMES, AFTER MUCH FAITHFUL DEVOUT OBEDIENCE AND COMPLETE LOVE AND FAITH OF OUR KING..HE IS A LOVING POWERFUL MIGHTY MERCIFUL GOD..I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON THE BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCES I REMEMBER ALL DETAILS LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED AND EVERY SENSE WAS INVOLVED IT WAS PURE LOVE, PEACE, JOY, FAITH, BASICALLY EVERY POSITIVE WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, AND EVERY SINGLE SENSE THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE ADJECTIVES..ABSOLUTE BLISS..WE HAVE SUCH A REWARD WAITING..IT IS LITERALLY NOT COMPREHENDABLE...NOTHING IN THIS WORLD TOUCHES IT
I BELIEVE EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES MY DESIRE TO FIND EVERY SINGLE THING AS ACCURATE TO OUR FATHERS WORD IS OVERHWELMING TO THE POINT I GO ON THIS MASSIVE STUDY SPREES, I RELAX WHEN I REMEMBER MY VISIONS AND SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCES, PROVING TO ME THE KJV , EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT FLOW AND NOT BE AS PERFECT AS THE ORIGINAL, IT IS ENOUGH TO GET ATLEAST ENOUGH OF GODS WORD OUT TO US..ITS VERY AGGRAVATING TO ME NOT TO HAVE THE ORIGINALS AND NOT TO BE ABLE TO READ GREEK..BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE GREEK IS BASICALLY IN THE KJV...AND MY FAITH IN THE FACT THAT GOD WILL NOT LET A MAN THAT IS STRIVING TO BE HIS CHILD NOT HAVE HIS WORD...IF ANYONE HAS SOME COULD SUGGESTIONS OF BIBLES LET ME KNOW PLEASE...BUT LIKE I SAID DONT GET TOO FREAKED OUT..I AM A WITNESS TO WHAT IS IN THE KJV IS THE PATH TO GOD
ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THE ARTISTRY AND IMAGES OF CHRIST AND BIBLICAL SCENES IN MOST COUNTIRES IVE VISITED ON THE NET, PRESENT CHRIST AS A HEALTHY POWERFUL SPIRITUAL GOD, NOT LIKE IN AMERICA WHERE HE IS ALWAYS BEATEN BLOODED OR ON THE CROSS OR ALL THREE..I LIKE SEEING OR MESSIAH AS A POWERFUL HEALTHY SPIRITUAL GOD MORE THAN SEEING HIM HURT AND WEAKENED..THAT IN ITSELF I THINK SHOWS YOU THERE IS AN AGENDA..AND NO I DONT THINK IM STRETCHING IT..I GET THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW WHAT HE WENT TR\HROUGH FOR US..BUT I KNOW WHAT HE WENT THROUGH..I DONT LIKE THINKING ABOUT IT CONSTANTLY
Using Hellas Pronunciation of Nouns in Antiquity
The Texts have a much more Clear Understanding
PTOLEMY (R TAS LO AMI)
YOU SAY PUGH TOLL OH ME
You are not my People
R TAS = are
Lo = Not
Ami = My People
The Septuagint is a Post-Apostolic work. No existence of its present status is known to modern scholarship till the 17th century. And that as a strickly speculative constructive work.
Horrible speaker (clarity and organization wise). Amazing content though. I wish he would teach on entire class on this. 👍
searcy mcfly i think he did well. He just did not have enough time to be more detailed. I also wish he did more classes on this topic.
Live Poetic Agreed. If he had maybe 4 times the time i think he would have laid out what he was trying to say. This guy sounds like really he needs an entire semester of a college course to get into the topic in the necessary detail. Also he was trying to adjust on the fly to his audiences experience level.
Amazing content of lies?
@@joshportie have you actually studied the septuagint vs the masoretic text vs. the English translations? A few hours with a couple of reference tools and it is easy to verify the septuagint was the primary reference text for new testament authors (doing a line by line comparison).
The masoretic texts (commonly used in english translations). Literally came along 700-1000 years later (which no one debates or disputes who's doing bible translation)
Also it seems clear if you spend a little more time on it that the masoretic texts were altered by unbelieving jewish scribes. For example the masertic texts reads "A young woman shall be with child"!!! While the.septuigaint reads "A Virgin will be with child ". (and note Hebrew does have separate terms for Virgin and young woman). To me this appears a clear example of later jewish scribes attempting to db down the prophetic verifications of the Christ in scripture. There is strong reason to study the septuagint
COMPLELY WRONG!
1. In the days of Christ, the only Scripture known to most Jews was the Septuagint Old Testament written in ancient Greek. And so, we care not what this professor thinks the Septuagint meant, we care only what Christ's followers thought it meant.
2. And so, why did the professor make no effort to explain what the followers of Christ perceived as the words flowed from the mouth of Christ? Because, all Bibles are published by the rich, since the dark ages all of Christianity has been ruled by the rich and if the profession dared to expose the fake morality and fiction salvation brainwashed into us by the rich, who could the profession earn a living?
3. SIXTH COMMANDMENT
“Do not be deceitful to a neighbor, your witness that of a liar.”
ou yeudomarturhseiß kata tou plhsion sou marturian yeudh
Ex 20:16 OGV
BIBLE FICTION
"Do not bear false witness (in court) against your neighbor."
In the above Text the last Greek word is "yeudh," which means "liar." And so, what can be said about the rich who have published all the Bibles, and all the Bible scholars who are paid only by the rich, when all Bibles are saturated by gross corruption too numerous to mention?
BIBLE FICTION
4. We cannot both give all our wealth to the poor and receive "many times more in this age." Therefore, the Bible has a subjective and relative form of morality.
5. We cannot be a pacifist who turns the other cheek and never goes to court, while we bear the sword for government. Therefore, the Bible does have human error.
6. Christ and John the Baptist did not both die without faith. Therefore, the Bible cannot replace our ability to use logic and reasoning.
@MadMax™ False. It was nearly 300 years in use by then, perhaps older.
@MadMax™ Whatever the validity of the Letter of Aristeas, or parts of it, the LXX was in use by the Jews from the 3rd century BC/BCE. The Jews were in a friendly Greek culture for a long while under the Ptolemies. Greek was the lingua franca of that area and time. Jesus knew it because many of his sayings cannot be understood without it. There is no question of this.
Also without question, it predates Jesus, but it predicts Jesus. The Masoretic is admitted to be based on flawed scripts.
What is also true is that if Christianity did not exist, Jewish scholars would be all over the LXX trying to reconcile it with the Masoretic text, or rather, vice versa.
I'll add this since Hanukkah is here: The Seleucids did great damage to the Jews by burning their Torahs. What damage they did, the Romans added to. Hannukkah is to celebrate that the Jews survived in spite of great persecution. But they barely did so, and not without loss of good/complete Torah manuscripts.
Finally, the LXX is more compliant with the Dead Sea scrolls than the Masoretic. That is fact as well.
@MadMax™ The Greek Bible. Check this link out
Also other scholars support what the video above says about the LXX being more compliant (a lot more) with the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic
preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
@@ownpetard8379 Masoretic is admitted to be based on flawed scripts....????huh????
Dare to come up with example.....????
@@babhag5481 Dare? It is accepted. I gave this link just above. Here it is again. For more, Google is your friend.
preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
You need to learn about your religion.
The current Tanakh (your version) has verses that show that Jesus was "like" the Messiah predicted. If the Masoretic had not been manipulated, it would show that Jesus WAS the Messiah. See this:
th-cam.com/video/BekFQTFLK4E/w-d-xo.html
Here are SOME differences between the Septuagint (LXX) and the Masoretic Text (MT) that obscure that Jesus was the Messiah. Note that Hebrew = MT here:
web.archive.org/web/20040602211822/www.scripturecatholic.com/septuagint.html
Note that there are changes to the dates of the prophets so as to make it appear that Jesus could not be of the order of Melchizedek. See this: www.bible.ca/manuscripts/Septuagint-LXX-Shem-was-Melchizedek-Masoretic-chronology-Messiah-Jesus-Christ-priesthood.htm
Happy learning.
There is the Old Test, the New Test, and now, with the Book of Mormon, there is Another Test. To this I can attest, and that is, it appears none can pass a test. [TEACH : CHEAT]
The true writers are the true Lema tribes of Israel. Marim now renamed
Africa. Look it up!
So his great wisdom is from a song by a kabbalist Christ hating entertainer - contradiction in profession.
Greek septuagint is mixed up added too twisted at best Catholic Church period synagogue of shatan
Brian Thompson the LXX precedes the RCC by 7 centuries
The LXX is older than the Catholic Church
Brian Thomson, you have no idea what you talking about.
@@alondon6950 I think Brian Thomson knows what he is talking about!!
The first 5 books of Moses was translated by the 72 scribes, when was the rest translated???
That is the BIG question!!!
So salvation is dependent on weather braids or the word braid is translated as locks or locks are braids... so bad.... what if they mean the same and thats not something that a version means its not saying the same thing. Good reason to split up a church? nope its like saying the chruch carpet should be light green or dark green. Either way, it shouldnt keep people out of heaven. 72 individuals translated the original jewish manuscripts and were locked in their individual rooms... they brought out the translations from each of the 72 and there were litterally 0 differences that would make the translations radical or different. The masoritic jews moved words and colluded to remove jesus as the savior. this is the vareient that produced the fall of the jews forever now. they removed the lienage from jesus and say that jesus wasnt related to Abraham and he wasnt in the line of noah.