History of Hull: Docks, Episode Three: The Timber Dock
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มี.ค. 2020
- Continuing the story of Hull's many docks, this episode covers the history of the city's timber dock, Victoria Dock, and the flakiness of the Hull Dock Company in taking 20 years to get around to building it!
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I have to say, and I don't know quite how I've found you, but I'm enthralled by your videos.
I am a Hull boy (well, born in Beverley in 1978, lived in North Ferriby for the most part of my life, moved to be with my then-wife in Holland, working for a Hull-based company on Prince Street), and the love and attachment I have to Hull is nuts. My now-girlfriend lives in Ferriby, and as a result I'm back more now than ever, and I actually walked from King George Dock to Trinity House (as that's where I was meeting her) on Saturday. I've never walked that way, along the riverside and via Victoria Dock, ever. And I learned so much about the area. Then I found you on TH-cam, and I realise how little I know about the place I call 'home'.
So, essentially, thank you. I would dearly like to share a pint with you the next time I'm over (with my son, who considers himself from Hull, despite being born in Delft, and born to a Brit and a Russian, and who wants to live there). I'm back mid-July, and can literally be anywhere you can be.
I'm so glad you're enjoying videos and learning about the area! I'm not much of a social person I'm afraid, so I don't really do stuff like that, but it is appreciated nonetheless :)
Just gets better ! On to E4 now.
Sat in the Scottish highlands, i'm from Barnsley, the missus is from Hessle. Her dad was cashier at a trawler firm. And she is watching in awe.
Hopefully she'll enjoy the episode on St Andrew's Dock when I get that one done! It's all about the rise and fall of Hull's fishing industry, and the bizarre events along the way, such as the Russian Outrage and the Cod Wars.
Loving your videos; I still have many to watch.
I'm in Norfolk and grew up here but my mum's from Hull and we used to trek up there twice a year in the '70s through to the early '90s to visit my grandparents on Wymersley Road (Ruurrd). I was always quite taken with Hull, from Boothferry Park, to the Humber bridge, Paragon station and white phone boxes. As a kid, I would see occasional sites indicating closed railways and former docks (I remember my grandma pointed at Princes Dock telling me they were going to build a massive centre on stilts, i didn't believe her).
So it's great to see and hear the story behind many of these sites that I only briefly glimpsed back in the '80s.
My father was in the Merchant Navy and told me he brought timber into Victoria Dock. In the late 1970's I worked on the South Orbital Road project that filled in the main dock. This was carried out in two stages. Stage 1: The Dock was overfilled with crushed chalk together with a surcharge to allow for settlement then after it had settled we came back (18 months or so) and Stage 2: Built the road. I recall there was a lot of old surface artifacts, like horse drawn wagons, still around the place and just left abandoned. The road was at a higher elevation and the, now buried, Dock walls were left in place as far as I can remember
Interesting info, especially about the random horse drawn wagons! It's weird to think that the dock is still under there, all of the dock walls still intact. It will be interesting to see the dock walls of Queen's Dock exposed for the first time in over 90 years when they renovate it.
@@hullhistorynerd During the drainage excavations I uncovered a cannonball. It is small calibre, just over 1" diameter and about 1lb weight, probably shot from a Falconet by the defending forces at some point during the 1643 siege by Newcastle's army. Still have it somewhere.
Great video. And fantastic memories... Thank you. Glen 😅😅😅😅
Thank you for teaching me about some city in England. I love history, regardless of nation.
had to watch again so good
Well presented and a good watch, nice production and thanks for the metrovick mention, be great to hear her run again
Thankyou! And I'll certainly be back off over the pennines the moment they get that Crossley up and running again. That's a sight (and sound) I wouldn't want to miss!
You're standing infront of my old apartment.
Dam those were great times in the early 90's on Vicky Dock.
really didn't think I would be binge watching your videos about the history of Hull but they are wonderful and fascinating and your presentation is brilliant, measured, with irony and humour and not patronising nor annoying as some others...despite being a train spotter in the 1960's I missed out on the Hull mpds. Would have loved to have seen Dairycoates, botanic Gardens etc. Only got as far as York, Tyneside and Leeds/Bradford, not bad for a London kid now living on Tyneside. thank you!
Thankyou, that's a very kind comment, and I'm very glad you're enjoying sharing the journey of discovering Hull's rich history with me!
Thank you for teaching me more about my city!
You're welcome, it's a fascinating history, and I'm glad I can bring others along on my own discovery of it all!
Used to row round the old dock when at Trinity house School in the early 60's
Great videos - Thanks for producing
You're quite welcome, glad you enjoy!
Just found you HHN. Really enjoying working my way through the back catalogue.
Glad you're enjoying them, and don't worry, plenty more on their way now that I'm resuming production!
Superb....
Fantastic video again HHN! What amazing old photos. It looked cold when you were filming!
It was jolly cold, that's for sure. Must remember my gloves next time....
Superb Video so well researched and presented
I live in East London and friends live right o the edge of the Royal docks near one the locks and swing Bridge a few weeks a a type 23 frigate and some patrol boats came in for a arms show I excel exhibition centre interesting to see locks lift Bridge etc all still operating correct also interesting to see car drivers in big queue come walking up to police and why is traffic stuck .and the copper pointi g to Frigate in the lock with swingbridge up so unless swim across dock u are stuck here a wee while !!
Brilliant as always. Some great photos of Victoria Dock I've never seen before.
Cheers! Lord Line has an incredible collection of images to draw from. Seriously, I spent hours just browsing the Docks photos alone.
Legend
Quite amusing how the Hull Dock Company appear to have been "played" several times into building new docks on the behalf of others :)
Honestly, the Hull Dock Company are hilarious the more you read about them; they're the epitome of the super-conservative business suits with no imagination but all the money. They were played so often, and so obviously, and they kept on falling for it! It really was only when a serious competitor came up that genuinely wanted an independent Dock that we got Alexandra Dock... but that's a story for the next Docks video...
Missing the HHN’s excellent videos (and hope Jim is keeping well).
I'm missing making them! I'm trying to stay under the radar of this virus as I have a health condition that puts me at risk of getting it worse, so I'm in extreme lockdown, but other than not being able to get out to film, I'm doing good. Used the time to sketch out plenty of future videos, so once I'm back out there, there'll be no shortage of topics!
super as allways
Awesome video as usual esp' the railway photo's
Yeah, props to Lord Line Images for letting me delve into the archive for them!
Another cracking vid!
Cheers!
Hi there! Just found your through Reddit - Love the professional feel and very interesting info! :)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it :)
Hi I enjoyed all your films about the Docks in Hull really interesting history.
Thanks, glad you're enjoying them, don't forget to keep checking back; once covid is under control, I'll be carrying on the series with another 4 episodes about the remaining docks!
@@hullhistorynerd Thanks looking forward to seeing them.
Thanks 👍🏻grate videos
Keep up good work 👍🏻
Fantastic HHN
Top knowledge
Alway good to learn more bout my home town and im finding that that i remember some of these places and practices .
Dose anyone remember “tee bridge” and its mysterious 3rd dead end rd to one where ? And the staircase which disappeared into the wall - hidden from sight as it gave access to some public toilets i seem to remember Cheers Rob
Is this the T Bridge at Albert Dock? I've seen a few photos but I only ever saw it in real life from a distance, and as a kid I didn't really think to look too closely, sadly
@@hullhistorynerd I would have only been about 8 or 9 and going for a walk with my Unc Arthur on the docks ( he a fish filter ) and we often walked down the main st of “T” bridge / it was near the area of ice area : viking radio - i was fascinated but the hidden staircase in the main body of the bridge/rd but also one of the roads that appeared unused giving way to grass and a dead end. Also went on to fruit market that day but that another story .
Love your videos Mr Nerd - keep em coming Cheers Rib
Finally there IS a pen and ink drawing type post card arround i have seen it but cant remember where Cheers Rob
Dear HHN, hope you are okay and planning more videos when things improve. Your adoring public are demanding it! 😀😀
I've been planning loads of videos whilst I've been locked down! I do have a health condition that paints a bullseye on me for coronavirus, so I'm being super careful at the moment, but when things start getting better I'll be back out there making videos again!
The hull history nerd is cool, so you're not a nerd.
Hope you are OK Hull History Nerd some of us are missing your videos.
Don't fret, I'm just shielding as I have a health condition that puts me at risk of a bad case of coronavirus should I get it, but rest assured there are lots of new videos planned when it's safer for me to get out and about!
When I looked around the dock in the '70s there were old gas lamps with Victoria Dock on the ladder rests.
Ah, all gone now, unfortunately!
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Decorating peoples gardens perchance?
@@saltspringrailway3683 haha I bet they are
Great video as always but I want a full episode dedicated to the "piss tower" as it was fondly known.
😂
Is it possible for you to assemble a montage of old v new, History Nerd? Many of your old photos would benefit from a modern equivalent taken from the same or close spot. There are plenty of examples of this type of comparison, even books. I'm sure you've considered this at some stage. It would add some life to your stories, not that you need it. Your podcasts are lively and amusing already, always a joy to revisit.
Just a thought. How are you on Hull's cinemas? An interest of yours? I keep in irregular touch with posters on "Hull, the good old days" on Facebook, a fascinating look into Hull's past. You're probably aware of it. Also a chap Paul, who has encyclopedic knowledge of, and hundreds of photos of Hull's trolleybus and diesel buses. I'm in as long as it's before the introduction of the Leyland Atlantian era. Fascinating stuff...
Being a coffin dodger, born '47 opposite the old and long since demolished Wheeler Street tram barn, these things have long held a fascination for me. My desktop picture is a 69 trolley bus turning into the depot in Wheeler Street, and it just happened that my grandma was out scrubbing her step as the bus passed. My wife often asks if gran has finished donkey-stoning the step yet. "Nah, still at it" Picture was taken circa 1960 by Paul's dad I think...
Anyway, enough from me, keep up the good work....
I do try to fit in shots that show a now and then contrast where I can (I'm particularly proud of the one near the end of the Town Docks episode where Railway Dock fades into a historical shot, I somehow managed to line that one up perfectly) but it isn't always possible, mostly because you wouldn't actually be able to tell that the shots were from the same spot (you'd have a shot of a crane, then a shot of someone's house that would seem a bit weird and wouldn't make visual sense, for instance). There's so much renovation gone on at many of these locations, especially Victoria Dock, that it's really hard to get a meaningful fade from old to new or vice versa. But certainly, where I can, I do. It's just subordinate to my aim of making a visually cohesive film with shots that flow well together.
Cinemas aren't really an area I've looked at, probably because I grew up in an era where cinema meant ABC and Cecil rather than the small picture houses of the 20's, 30s and 40s! But it's certainly an area that I might look at, though perhaps as part of a wider look at particularly areas of Hull.
Trams, trolleys and buses have been on my to do list since the very beginning, I already have some footage of the old Wheeler Street depot (one of the guys who works at the garage that owns it is a tram history buff so was happy to let me film), so that episode is coming!
@@hullhistorynerd Kind of you to answer History Nerd. I forget that you're many years younger than me, and our interests in historical periods are going to differ. I'm just one of many thousands of boomers born just after the war. Arse hanging out of me trousers, snotty nose and a pocket full of marbles. We didn't have a pot to piss in, but I had a great childhood. Knew no different I guess.
Absolutely looking forward to the Wheeler Street footage. Mostly gone now. We walked down Wheeler Street when we were in Hull in 2018, me trying to figure out where gran's house stood, you know how you do. Pacing up and down, wife standing there eye rolling. That same grandma, born in 1892 down High Street, Maisters Buildings, opposite Wilberforce House, and later of Salthouse Lane. Never went to school, home schooled on her fathers barge, plying the Humber with coal...
The good old, bad old days....
Missing your vlogs HHN
I'm missing making them! On the plus side I do have scripts for lots of new episodes, I just need to wait until I can get back into the History Centre to research them.
I played on the Rocks in East Park as a kid in the 1960s. And yes, it smelled of pee.
It certainly did! Whenever we played hide and seek, it should have been the obvious choice but nobody wanted to hide in it for that reason...
Vicky Dock.