Expectations were high for a Kenobi and Vader series, but that wasn’t what we got instead we get little Leia chase scenes, trench coat escapes, and Reva surviving lightsaber stabs
dawgs, this has happened before in so many other star wars stories, dark side users can survive potentially lethal wounds with their hate and anger, because at the end of the day, they’re scared of death, while people on the light side can accept it. Been happening for awhile
@@HighHeelKnight Not gonna mention the two stomach thing because they made it clear it was revenge that allowed him to survive, and it’s his job to look into things before he was a Jedi that fell. Reva was stabbed in Order 66 without any knowledge of revenge being what allows you to keep going
@@stag2177 Yes but the fact that it has happened other times doesn't change how narratively terrible it is. Lightsabers are arguably the coolest and most dangerous handheld weapon in the history of fiction. Yet the folks behind the brand keep nerfing the weapons' effectiveness. How can lightsaber duels remain dramatic and tense if defeated people can literally"walk it off" by being angry enough? 🤦 To make matters worse... George Lucas showed Darth Maul being sliced into because he initially wanted the character to be permanently dead. But Maul was so popular that LucasFilm brought the character back. Now anytime LucasFilm or Disney think of an interesting / merchandisible character, the character almost never dies or remains dead. Fennec Shand, Fives, Asajj Ventress, Boba Fett, Asoka Tano, the Emperor (somehow), the list goes on and on. Don't be surprised when (not if) when Cad Bane returns in a future Star Wars project.
BoBF was disappointing. Kenobi was blasphemous! Could we get a Kenobi series NOT about Kenobi abandoning his duty to "watch over the boy"? Abandons Luke Puts Luke in danger/exposes him Fails to protect/save him the ONE time he was needed Rides off into the desert after telling Owen and Breu they were all the protection Luke needs
And let's not mention he let vader live...again. like "my boi is dead and evil" but peace bruh keep enslaving millions and hunting down and killing all our old buddies. Shows absolutely pointless
@@alesksander I agree, Disney keeps wasting legacy character opportunities to prop up their new characters. The fact we will never see Hamil Ford and Fisher in a scene together ever again is such a tragic waste of potential. Now they'll do the same with Christian and Mcgregor
@@rhetro777 Not quite, originally it had Darth Maul as the villain and focused more on Obi-Wan protecting Luke but Kathleen Kennedy didn't like the scripts so the majority of it was rewritten to include Vader as the villain. The reason the Vader/Kenobi aspect is so underwhelming is because it was never intended to be part of the story in the first place.
@@thephantomfanboy Because SW is an action adventure franchise. YOU may have liked it, but the vast majority would have been bored out of their minds. Besides, PTSD stories have had plenty of action before, Netflix's Punisher is probably the best example...
Two parallel stories of Obi-Wan and Vader in which they never actually meet, but instead their time together is flashed back to would have been the most tasteful way to do this. Have it take place 3-5 years after ROTS, and have the story be of Obi-Wan growing stronger in the light / reconnecting with the force, and have Vader struggling to put behind his past as Anakin. The resolution being we see Obi-Wan get on track to become Obi-Wan from ANH, and we see Vader begin to let go of Anakin, falling deeper into the dark side, and foreshadowing the calm, cool, collected, and callous Vader we see in ANH.
@@achaudhari101 Even then kinda wasted, especially when Vader asks Obi-wan if he had come to destroy him. When it was Vader who went to Obi-wan. Their first fight was dogwater as well, not to mention fire not working the way its supposed to when Obi got dragged.
It felt like a small child telling a story. Where it's all like "and then, and then, and then" Without events following logically from one to the next. Individual parts might work but it doesn't add up to a cohesive story.
After obiwan and Boba Fett I agree with Anakin now, I HATE THE SAND, the prequels showed that the Star Wars is so much bigger than tattoine yet somehow we keep going back 😩
So …what’s the deal with writing in general then? How are there sooo many flaws, so many issues that contradict canon or lore? Are these writers not fans like we are? How do they cook us a grilled cheese sandwich in a 5-star restaurant with a big smile on their faces as if we’re going to enjoy it? How does this keep happening?
Many of these writers do not seem to do their due diligence and research the characters they are writing for. Even for the secondary characters. They also go with premises that run contradictory to the character or even logic purely because they want them to do that.
When Disney bought SW I only wanted one thing from them KOTOR era stories. After seeing what they’ve done with 80% of their releases I don’t want them anywhere near the old republic
They can do any era they want, the Star Wars universe has a huge history, if they do a bad story somewhere 3000 years before the skywalker saga or after, no one will care, however with this constant clinging unto the skywalker saga, they are destroying there own work...
The show is an underrated masterpiece. The part in the end where Qui Gon appears as a force ghost and tells Kenobi "its morbin time" and the show cut to black; absolute genius. No but in all seriousness they crapped the bed with this one. As per usual Disney star wars gets summed up as "wasted potential."
The Morbs is what gives a Morbhead his power. It's an energy field created by all un-living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the cinematic universe together.
As underwhelming as Kenobi was, Boba Fett was far worse. That score for BoBF is far too generous IMO. Kenobi I’d say was some scattered awesome moments surrounded by terrible writing and setup for a much less interesting series. Where Boba Fett was painfully boring throughout and scatterbrained. Even though it had two good episodes, those should’ve been saved for Mandalorian Season 3 and had nothing to do with the show itself. Besides, those good episodes were followed by a horrible finale that makes Mando S2 completely pointless.
My biggest complaint about The Book of Boba Fett, was that for a series about Boba Fett, he actually wasn’t the central character in his own show. I almost wish that Mando and Grogu weren’t in it, and that we got the more legendary version of Fett we all expected, instead of a guy who spends much of the series in the bacta tank.
I enjoyed the first few Boba Fett episodes esp. his initiation into the Tusker Raider tribe. Although, the Mando eps we're good, I didn't necessarily enjoy them other than the whole Luke sequences.
Remember what Ming Na-Wen said about what The Book Of Boba Fett is?... "The Book Of Boba Fett is like The Godfather" What she said is unfortunately not the case.
Unfortunately it's a yes for me. It's worse. It ruins the lore AND steals from other better stories. Boba while bad didn't step on many toes. Minus the last two episodes that were basically the Mando
And the episodes where they borrowed the Power Rangers bikes. Ironically, I could've seen that being a crossover that could've worked when Disney owned Power Rangers (if the right people were working on it). "May the Force be with you" verses "May the Power protect you." Maybe a prequel where Zordon was a Jedi padawan becoming a Jedi knight that gets lost and badly injured to the point his physical body cannot exist outside an containment field for a long time. He travels on a ship that later crashes on Earth while pursuing Rita Replusa, an evil force user that's not truly a Sith. He and his companion wait for Replusa to awaken. It's probably a good thing it never happened.
As someone who loves the Obi Wan character, all of this so saddening. I kind of wish the series was not done. I really hope they don't do another season.
This show suffered because Disney knew it was "too big to fail." If people would have watched it regardless of its quality then why would they bother making sure it is of good quality?
You do know that Disney the parent company actually don't make these shows. All they do is make sure LF has the money to do what shows they tell Disney that they will make. Disney give them some notes but this is all LF.
The highs of Boba fett(the two episodes that didnt include Boba Fett) were greater than highs of Kenobi. Boba fett was never a central character show nobody really cared. Even if Tbobf is overall a worse show, the magnitude of failure of a show like Kenobi makes it the worst star wars dinsey+ product. They had a perfect opportunity to explore so much lore with Kenobi and give us a deep dive into the post ROTS era with better writing and execution than what the prequels were. This could have been the most interesting character study of how Kenobi went from a beaten middle aged man to the hopeful wise man we know from ANH. Yet all we saw was 5 episodes of Obi wan's side quests and tbh except the half mask Vader moment, nothing else from that fight is memorable at all and i dont think Kenobi being stronger than Vader with the force is the right way to connect to the line 'I was but the leaner but I am the master'. Kenobi was always known for outsmarting his opponents and not outfighting them, the fight didnt do justice to that.
Considering how much this story breaks from the canon and the amount of wasted potential I'd say Kenobi's the worst. To hell with continuity. Not to mention the writers egregiously dumbing down Obi Wan's character. He's now officially useless. Completely complicit the deaths of millions even after fully realizing that Anakin is gone. Right before the final fight Obi Wan admits to himself that he must do what must be done. I guess those were just empty words. If he's going to have a confrontation with Vader at least write in a scenario that makes it impossible for Kenobi to finish off Vader. Instead he just lets him live. How are people okay with this? It's so stupid.
I am growing suspicious that Disney is trying to go cheap with the Star Wars property. Why not, if the fandom isn't going to hold them to a higher standard. If people are going to buy whatever you're selling, why spend a dollar when only a quarter will do?
No I disagree 25mill is a good standard for each episode now the only question we as fans should have is where the hell did all that money go... Not into the show for sure
@@atarotsjourney.4620 THAT is a good question. I wouldn't presume to know how much it really takes. However, whether the money was insufficient or misspent, the quality wasn't there. But, as it turns out, most people didn't care. They watched in droves and liked it fine.
Honestly, I haven’t “hated” any of the series so far. But I feel The Book of Boba Fett was my least favorite of the series so far. However, one thing I feel is problematic for the story line is that Reva is still alive and knows the identity of Darth Vader. Depending on what her character does next, that could be canon breaking.
Could? Bruh Series brokes multiple cannon point. And its almost sickening how tf this can go trough review processes. They just dont care. Using Lucas original good idea and crap all over them almost intentionally now...
Book of Boba Fett was also my least favorite. The last two episodes, especially the Finale, were good in my opinion. The first four episodes however just felt like filler, mainly because of poor writing and and directing. I think this should could have been a lot better.
On a serious note, this show was dangling keys when you want to get the attention of an infant or cat. Flashy saber duels cannot replace a well written plot, decent not great but decent dialog, and decent not great but decent cinematography.
Let's be honest. Fett is a B tier character at most (at least from movies + CW). Kenobi and Vader are the core of Star Wars. The only two organic characters to be present in all 6 movies. Such a malicious character assassination of these fan favourites is going to cause significant anger in the fan base. This was the last jedi for prequel fans. Just like Luke was turned into Jake by Rian Johnson, this series turned Obi Wan into Noobi Wan - a man who needs ten year olds, scam artists, ice cube jr. and incompetent spies to lead him around everywhere. Darth Vader went from the most iconic and feared villain in movie history to Saturday morning cartoon villain. The combined IQ of Kenobi and Vader in this show is less than 50. That's unforgivable. All who use PTSD as excuse for both Kenobi and Vader's incompetence here have no idea how PTSD or depression work. I gave the show 1* and I'd keep it at that or less. This isn't canon for me. My biggest gripe is that they wasted Ewan, Hayden and Liam. I feel sorry for Hayden most of all - they didn't even give him any screentime. Instead, they decided to make it about their intersectional oppression Olympics champion: RREEEVA - someone better than Jesus and DC's Joker when it comes to miraculous resurrections. It's the wasted potential that will make most fans irate. Just like TLJ
As someone who strongly disliked both Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett it is absolutely clear BOBF is so much worse. Kenobi has some redeeming qualities, BOBF does not. I think the main reason Kenobi ranked lower is because people had high expectations for Obi-Wan and Vader (then felt tricked when they had a smaller role than we thought) and because BOBF left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. Ironically, the same way BOBF is making some fans hate Kenobi more, it is probably also make some fans love it more since "at least it isn't BOBF"
Obi Wan and Vader is the reason I had no interest in this show and expected it to be awful. That Disney found additional ways to make it awful didn’t disappoint me in the show more.
The lack of depth to the backgrounds/cinematography was totally noticable. Including the reusing of the same alley, even back to back shots used the same alley from different angles 😂
Had high hopes for the show, so i was ultimately disappointed with what we got. A show with 4 pretty bad and 2 mildly entertaining episode's, isn't really a good show in my eyes. It was just another show with a sprinkle of nostalgia and some moments (that are easily forgettable after the first watch), and it's sad to see what they're doing with CANON. One thing that i do appreciate from this show, is that i'm more invested in the Expanded Universe now.
I will say, during the final battle, I got a litte teary eyed when Obi got to see Anakin for just a moment, without even realizing it. A tragedy that only Luke could see through. And then he said, "IT'S KENORBIN' TIME!" and I clapped.
At least Obi-Wan felt like the Obi-Wan we know and love. My only complaint about the series was the amount of focus they put on Reva and Leia. But Book of Boba Fett turned Boba Fett into a wimp. Unless they make him realize what it takes to run a criminal empire in season 2, I'll never forgive Favreau for this.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I think it’s more the directors’ faults Mainly Robert Rodriguez since he was also a executive producer And favreau is also working on mando season 3
Look, I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s Star Wars “experience”, however, if you happily accept crap, they will never do more than give you crap. An analogy, if a restaurant gives everyone food poisoning every time anyone eats there and no one ever complains and just keeps going and giving them money, what motivation does the restaurant have to stop giving everyone food poisoning? These are the basic requirements for a competent story, not a multi-million dollar production , but ANY story. Obi-Wan fails at all 10 of these requirements. Ten Basic Requirements for a competent Story 1. Have a Story to tell. A beginning, middle & end. 2. Follow a story structure that works, such as "Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___." 3. Follow the Law of Noncontradiction. 4. Write interesting, memorable and relatable characters. 5. Keep character consistency. 6. Honor cause and effect. 7. Detail the rules of your universe and Obey the established rules of the universe the story takes place in. 8. Set up & then pay off. 9. Subversion, make the subversion as logical and rewarding, if not more, than what you are subverting from. 10. Write a good ending, ideally something you may not see coming, but ultimately feels inevitable.
I liked Book of Boba but it's best parts were the Mando episodes, honestly I'm both shocked and not that Kenobi is rated lower, you major expectations that when not met will result in major disappointment, sadly that's what Kenobi was faced with and yeah I hoped those in charge would know the risk of botching this story after the many backlash from other legacy issues, I myself did enjoy this show more then Boba, but since boba is an untold story in an era after the OT there's less risk of getting wrong vs a major character Kenobi in a era before the OT, there's just something more to lose.
I loved Book of Boba-- I know, I'm probably the only person on earth who did.... ;) But I felt that the only real problem there was that the narrative structure was chaos, and I could look past that to appreciate a great story and characters. It's like an amazing cake that fell on the floor. Scoop a piece off the top, and it's a delicious mess. I'd much rather eat that than a well constructed cake that just isn't good.
Shows that know characters can’t die can build tension. These writers just don’t know how to tell a interesting story. Should have just been a character study between obi won and Vader.
Unless you count the sequel trilogy as a series. I cannot see how anyone can ignore all the inconsistencies, contradictions, hypocrisies and just flat out mistakes and enjoy this show. I hate to criticize people personally, but you have to be missing a few cards not to see how bad the Obi-Wan Kenobi series is.
I, for one, think that this series could have been fantastic if they actually studied the main characters (Obi-Wan and Darth Vader) and enhanced them in a way that you could watch the prequels then the series, then the originals seamlessly and they would compliment each other. Kind of like how Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad enhance eachother. I would have Obi-Wan NOT learn that Anakin was alive until he slashed Vader's helmet in the "Rematch of the Century". Shocked, confused and mortified, Obi-Wan then gets stabbed in the guy by Vader and thrown off a cliff, Vader thinks he's dead, Qui-Gon appears as a Force Ghost to Obi-Wan and gives some motivational guidance and Obi-Wan leaves to get healed. It's one plot hole I think would've been fixed, in a show apparently riddled with holes.
As far as I’m aware, from my group anyways, it wasn’t the worst but it was completely unnecessary at worst and completely trash at worst. Boba Fett at least had a story to tell with stakes, Kenobi could only end in one way; everyone living and nothing of consequence happening. And honestly, Boba Fett wasn’t even good, again according to my group.
I think expectation plays a big role when working with a long-time established character…. Book of Boba Fett Episode 5 was a big boost for the series. A lot of people liked Guardians of the Galaxy, and nobody really knew who they were. If you mess up an established character, forget it. Especially if different people have different interpretations of their favorite characters.
If you don’t count the two random mando episodes squished into the Boba Fett, I think Obi was a much better show. I haven’t thought once about Boba since the show and I blamed it on a lackluster director. Obi however I had much higher expectations for and it really makes me sad since we might not get another chance to see Ewan play Obi Wan again. Most of the show was sloppy and cheap looking, but with some very high moments as well. The finale with obi vs vader was one of my favorite Star Wars moments in the last few years and yet the episode as a whole was still disappointing. I feel like they got us hooked with a super high quality show like Mando and now are cutting budgets on future projects because they know we’ll watch whatever they put in front of us. Boba I’d give a 4/10 and Obi 6/10.
People need to see the problems with this show. There's a LOT of them. So much potential wasted. You have the actors, the money, the production, the copyright, and they did this show. So sad, such a pity.
Expectations definitely a thing here. And it should be. Kenobi is one of the top 3 characters. Then add Vader to the show. This series should have blown us away. Also, I'm not lowering my expectations for Star Wars just cause some people said i should. Star Wars is better than this.
What was the purpose of this series? A) Finish KKs destruction of Lucas Star Wars, B) Heartless Disney cash grab, C) Introduction of new character(s), using an existing character, D) All of the above. E) None of the above, because who cares anymore... Disney Star Wars sucks.
While the Andor series has largely been regarded as the show nobody wanted, Kenobi more and more seems like the show that we should have never been given.
@@achaudhari101 I think it’s tough particularly for OG fans like me. I didn’t hate the show, although it definitely had writing, story development, and filming issues. But there is a part of me that was satisfied and would have remained satisfied that Obi-Wan largely remained in seclusion for 19 years on Tatooine, communing perhaps only with Qui-Gon, and that he never met Vader again until ANH. Writing stories that backfill gaps for existing characters, particularly OG characters, is a challenging task for any writer to please a majority of the audience, particularly the OG segment.
“Reva had a surprisingly well done arc” What arc? Seriously what is that person talking about? She has no development, she simply decided not to murder a child at the end.
I think we should begin expecting more from series and movies. As it is now there are so many series and movies that are produced like they were spat out of some random script generating machine. We are drowned in so much junk that we have lowered our standards as a whole. But as long as we happily watch that junk, they will keep on producing it. They make more money if they don't have to spend too much time on what they make.
For me it was the worst and best series so far. I love seeing Ewan and Hayden back. I most likely won't watch a single episode again but I'll watch that final duel between Obi Wan and Vader at least 100 more times! That duel and Ewan's performance was a diamond in the ROUGH.
Haven’t seen the show at all, and honestly don’t intend to do so. However, I did watch the flashback and Vader v Obi-Wan several times on YT. Such a joy to see those two actors together again!
Both shows had great moments, but both shows also had pretty major execution issues at times. At least with BoBF, the plot could actually go somewhere without having any impact on established stories. They KINDA made it work with Obi-Wan as far as the plot inconsistencies go, but you still get the feeling that it was almost better for the overall story if the events of this show didn't happen at all.
Yeah, to me it seemed like, while BoBF didn't have great writing, most of the complaints mostly had to do with people not liking the direction Boba Fett was being taken it for reasons that generally amounted to it not matching their fanfiction. But, the Obi-Wan show was.......genuinely terrible, with only a few standout moments.
I think the shows are a similar level of not quality, but Kenobi is the more frustrating show because it’s about characters that are a lot more beloved then Boba Fett, who is still a beloved character but mostly by people who read the EU. Kenobi and Vader are known by everybody
Boba fett still is the worst. Like they seriously had to have Mando come in just to make it interesting. People are going to be so confused watching Season 3 of Mando if they didn’t get to watch Boba.
@@SomeYank9 I disagree considering that Resistance had two seasons to justify itself and failed. Book of Boba Fett, provided Rodriguez isn't back, can redeem the character.
If this were any other show, movie or IP, what I'm about to say would not be challenged, shilled or at the very least, disputed or gaslighted: When it comes to any type of entertainment or even fiction in general, one of the first things a story needs to do is grab your interest that either gets you to click on the next episode or watch the sequel. Right? Well, under normal circumstances.. Being that the show is called Kenobi is misleading. It should be called The Adventures of Reva, Leia & Kenobi. And if you think that's being sarcastic or that I'm being cross, THE SHOW ITSELF took somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes before we even get to Kenobi in the very 1st episode of his own show. Again, that is a technical, objective fact that ultimately informs you subconsciously of the importance of said characters. Now, if it would have been played as campy, or had not taken itself so serious, (especially to those who either bypass it's flaws or admits them but still praise the show) that would be a totally different scenario. Yet, 90% of the action, dialogue cinematography and locations, are at best, cheap or amateur. It reminds me of Sci-Fi Saturdays. The ONLY difference now of course the music which again, informs you subconsciously how to feel. Characters are taking a stance to only change a few seconds later, lightsabers bouncing off stormtroopers, Kenobi not walking around a laser fence, before hand, saying Leia's real name in front of stormtroopers while they're wanted fugitives, Lala discussing infiltration plans in the same exact space as the enemy, and the list gets quite lengthy.. before we get to that infamous tench coat scene.. Those issues branch further in to plot holes, inconsistencies and entanglements of Grand Father Paradox proportions. How is Bail Organa not in prison before A New Hope seeing as how Vader now knows of all that transpired in this show? How can a youngling survive a stab wound by one of, if not the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Is Reva the only one that survived? And how does that keep Anakin/Vader as the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy if he can't kill a defenseless youngling?? Star Wars or not, there's very little in the way of compelling or even good storytelling that gives you a vested interest in continuing other than one's own interests. The only real emotion came in Episode 6 of a 6 episode show. The show refuses to give try basic story structure, refuses to make sense even if given the opportunity, makes holes and inconsistencies at nearly every plot point. Were it not even the largest IP in history, I'd still rate it a 3.5 out of 10.
What you said was great except you didn't mention the spear head of all this, Kathleen Kennedy, KK. Imagine an extremist feminist who is now president of Disney? She is smart and diabolical, hate George, his strong knowledgeable fan base, know more about SW than she could ever imagine, and any person who liked the OT and love giving them the middle finger every time she re-creates SW in her "extreme feminist view". She used Leia and Reva the same way she did in the sequels with Rey, think... it's not illegal yet?
I enjoyed parts of the show, but overall it was lackluster. I feel like more passionate fans are aware of the mistakes disney made along the series, where as other people are enjoying for a more casual watch. One thing i noticed was i feel like disney was intentionally releasing each episode later to fix the mistakes they knew fans were going to point it. It needed to be pointed out that they needed a better writer.
Book of boba fett: Good visuals Episode 3,4,5, are good Decent story Great soundtrack Good characters Decent acting Obi wan kenobi: Unmemorable soundtrack Poor acting Horrible script Horrible writing Poor visuals Decent action Zero stakes
Who’s even excited for Andor?? Rogue One is only liked by fans because it’s not riddled with Marvel humor and has that Darth Vader hallway scene. No one remembers the main cast of that movie.
When the writers for Kenobi go on the record saying this show will highlight both Reva and Leia's story, then why would we expect them to base this on Obi-Wan?
Oh but it is about Kenobi. It revolves around him abandoning his duty to "watch over the boy" Abandons Luke Puts Luke in danger/exposes him Fails to save/protect Luke Ride off into the desert telling Owen he and Brue are the only protestors Luke needs
Agreed. Yes. It was a show. I have watched a few times. By myself and then with the family. There was a lot of misses. And a few hits. Not sure it was needed
Parallel stories with Vader and Obi-Wan that each focus on the fallout of episode 3 without them meeting again could have been an interesting story, provided the right screenwriter handled it.
To me, Star Wars has always been a Buffett. Nothing wrong with trying it all, but you mainly take what you like and forget the rest. I will say that they really need to start filming stuff completely separate from what we know. Do what the old republic did and go way into the future or past. Maybe when grogu is 900 years old and then you can have total creative freedom with the star wars framework. You don’t risk angering the fans by mishandling beloved characters.
Ok unpopular opinion here: I did not like the fight between Vader and Obi Wan in the series. It was what I critique about most anime. The fight is mostly someone dominating over the other. You know when Vader is dominating the fight or viceversa. It was not enjoyable except for the obvious fan service for all of us that love Star Wars I would have like a full on battle like Revenge of the Sith, except this time ending in a stalemate. Then Vaders words to Obi Wan still holds up true: “When I LEFT you I was but a learner…”. Because none won the fight. I hated that after all that time Obi Wan still won the fight at the end and worst, he left Vader on the ground without doing what he must. It’s not consistent at all!
Personally, I enjoyed some aspects of Book of Boba Fett. It's not a good show, and I'm really just sick of Tatooine at this point, but I think it was decent in terms of some worldbuilding (especially with the Tuskens) and giving Boba some character development. I know a lot of other people didn't like how he was portrayed in the show, but I actually liked it. Kenobi just kinda put a bad taste in my mouth and I felt it was completey unecessary and took away from the OT somewhat. Boba Fett, while it could've used a lot of improvement, didn't do that. Plus the Mando epsiodes, while they shouldn't have been put in the series, were pretty good. So overall, I'd take Book of Boba Fett over Kenobia any day of the week.
My main problem with the show is that is was just disappointing I would rather this show not exist. It needed to be amazing and it was just mediocre. Not the mention the 3 awful chase scenes the trench coat scene and the fact that reva had more plot armor than obi-wan just to name a few.
It wasn't terrible but nothing special for me. The show was fine the way it ended but if they do cave and do a 2nd season, it'll just make more unnecessary plotholes. Personally, I thought the god mode Obiwan was a bit over the top.
I think there's a better Kenobi in Dr. Sleep than this show. think about it McGregor plays someone with powers, suffering from past trauma, has a ghost mentor, has to protect a child with great powers from an evil group
I can’t remember if I voted on the poll, but I think a 3 is about right. I’d give it a B-, it wasn’t perfect but I enjoyed it. I think Andor is gonna be good, considering they have a lot of freedom despite his fate being sealed. It’s like a blank slate and can add more to the lore
@Pro Choice for Stupid Women I haven’t seen a matrix movie since reloaded. I also think that book of Boba Fett would have been better had they not gotten Robert Rodriguez involved, Danny Trejo aside
I find the results of this poll to be completely unexpected! I honestly felt infinitely less satisfied overall with BoBF (even though I enjoyed a good portion of it) than I did with Kenobi. Sure, there were some things with certain execution moments here and there that I didn’t care for, and definitely some technical “nuts and bolts” things I think could’ve been improved a great deal…but overall I walked away from Kenobi wanting more. Whereas with BoBF I finished wanting to move onto another story.
At first I was gonna say Kenobi was slightly better than Book of Boba Fett, and then I remembered that the last three episodes of Boba were saved by Mando and Luke showing up. It was still mediocre, and both shows ruined their titular characters, and even Mando season 2’s ending was ruined too, but I was far more invested in the latter half of Boba than I ever was with Kenobi, which is honestly kinda sad.
I was one of the people who gave this a 2/5. It needed to live up to the standard of storytelling we got in the first 6 movies in order to justify its existence. Sadly it was filled with plot holes which undermined it from the very beginning. Combined with the poor direction and cinematography, I honestly think all those higher ups (not the actors) should be sacked for incompetency.
Disney wants to build their own legacy in relation to Star Wars lore. So far they have failed in my view. They should have taken from the source material already available i.e the EU books. There are sooooooo many novels to chose from that would make a great story.
There is no story, there is content. There is no canon, there is money to make. There is no character, there is nostalgia bait. There is no passion, there is corporate greed. There is no leadership, there is Kathleen.
This was the first Disney+ Star Wars series I watched. I enjoyed it, though it has some issues. I wanted to see more of the Grand Inquisitor. And him getting killed off then not giving an explanation of how he survived. And they ended up doing the same with Reva being left for dead and she just quickly gets to Tatooine. Also I thought it was weird how Obi-Wan sorta just leaves Reva hanging on the mining planet when he said "Because all he'll see is me" which would imply that he'd stay and fight while Reva would try to sneak attack Vader. "You won't stop him alone." And maybe the sixth episode should had been Reva and Obi-Wan fighting Vader, where Reva would die leaving that actual final fight. But among other things, hearing James Earl Jones still being able to deliver his role as Vader was awesome. And Hayden Christensen having to speak to Obi-Wan with a mix of him and Jones' voice I think was more exciting than the battle. And the little things, there was a Stormtrooper in the third episode who was a bit laid back, showing his human side. I actually thought Obi-Wan would have to kill him, but instead a different group of Stormtroops, and I really liked that they showed a pretty graphic death at that scene. Also Reva just cutting off the woman's hand was surprising.
Honestly, I kinda liked it. I didn't think they ruined any characters or did anything offensive. And amping up the Force use/power level was pretty cool, doesn't make any sense... but it was cool. Edit: want to add I am SO HAPPY Hayden didn’t ruin it for me. I thought he did perfectly fine, which is all I needed. (Also, fixed a typo)
I think Kenobi was unnecessary you can ignore what happened in the show and nothing will change, in fact, everything is better if you ignore the show, and in some aspects like the props it’s the worst Star Wars Series, At least Boba Fett looked descent at minimum in its props and settings
Star wars writers: *tries to keep everything the same so that they don't retcon anything important in the original trilogy* "Fans": Omg they didn't do anything in the show, everything is the same if you ignore the show. My prediction. Star wars writers: *changes or adds literally anything that can explains any previous plot holes in the prequels, original, clone wars, etc* "Fans" what the actual living fuck? Why would you change/add anything to star wars??? Do they even know what they're doing???
I have to wonder just what kind of injury did Darth Vader inflict on Reva that she recovered without a bacta tank, like putting a bandage on a burn and is perfectly OK. This is a bigger plot hole than Leia and Darth Vaders needing to forget that anything happened.
Star Wars live action has gone from being a must see spectacle to just a content factory to pump stories out to keep people subscribed to a streaming service in less than 10 years. We aren’t even getting movies like the MCU does, that’s how far Star Wars has fallen. Thanks Disney. I like a compelling consistent story with competent villains, sadly Kenobi lacked all that. I’m not surprised this scored lower than TBOBF. People didn’t like what they did to Boba and it did have some plot holes & bad writing but Kenobi was far worse for plot holes and poor writing. Star Wars isn’t Marvel or DC comic stuff with multiverses and rebooted characters etc. What I liked about Star Wars, for the most part, the content creators tried to be consistent with the overall story but now LFL doesn’t care about it. Want to retcon something that happened in a comic even though it adds nothing of value to the overall story? No problem, go right ahead. The EU got made Legends so they could have more freedom and create a new single unified & consistent canon, that lasted how long? Pablo has said as long as the key moments line up how you get there can be up to the current creative. I hate this approach.
Any passible moments are far out weighed by it's blasphemous treatment of Kenobi's ONE TASK in this era! "Watch over the boy"! Maybe one rewatchable scene for me.
The show felt like a tug of war between two different writing teams. One team wanted to tell a deeply emotional story about Obi-Wan struggling to overcome his guilt over Anakin and having to come face-to-face with the monster that Anakin has become, all before learning to let go of that loss and not let it define him anymore. The other team wanted to write an adventure story about young Leia and subtly change the lore to state that Obi-Wan only succeeded because Reva turned back to the light. The finale really felt like they were trying to say that Reva is the real reason Luke stayed a secret from the Empire and became a Jedi, and that they were undermining Obi-Wan.
I didn't vote because I didn't watch it. Maybe Andor will finally seduce me to Disney+ but as for all previous series, I will wait to see how they turn out first.
One thing that disappointed me was Haja Estree. I love Haja but he is all over the place. Why did Reva not kill him when we saw her chop someone's hands off for no real reason in the earlier episode? How closely tied is he to the Rebellion versus the grifting we see him doing as his introduction? Hubby and I were chatting and we would have loved to see him as Leia's new personal head of security at the end. That would have been a brilliant blend of the goodness we've seen in him and that grifting/streetwise side of him that would be ready to counter Leia’s developmentally appropriate moments of child brattiness, as well as show respect to his willingness to help Obi-wan. Just picture it: Leia stands in the doorway looking out at the forest. Enter Haja in formal robes with a datapad. “Not today, Princess,” he says with a grin and a wink. Leia looks up at him and grins. “I know! Duty comes first.” Haja chuckles as she disappears behind a screen with attendants to get dressed.
3.05 / 5 is honestly too high for me , 2.5 / 5 would be my rating , the show was passable and had some fun moments , but they were too far between utter stupid moments and a main character nobody asked for.
Star Wars Theory’s poll has Kenobi at 75% liking it with over 10x the amount of voters. Sample size and audience matters. This channel is highly anti Obi-Wan so obviously that’s who’s watching. This isn’t data. It’s just “do people who don’t like Kenobi not like Kenobi”
I didn’t watch book of boba fett but I couldn’t sit through all of obi wan. The show felt cheap, the writing meh, no particular flair or style. Just felt very bland and that’s not what I want from obi-wan
Honestly, Kenobi wasn't that bad. I do think it could have been better in certain areas, but overall it was a pretty decent show. It's clear to me that there was more effort put into this than in many of the Disney+ shows of recent memory. (like Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, The Book of Boba Fett, Mando S2, The Bad Batch, etc.) I don't think it was really the show Star Wars fans were hoping for, but it's far from being terrible. Also, the fact that they got Andrew Stanton, the Director of Finding Nemo and WALL-E to write for the last two episodes is amazing. (And there was definitely a big quality increase in those two from episode 4) Edit: I do agree with you that they should have done more with the flashbacks. The rumor of there being flashbacks to The Clone Wars in the show was one of the main pulls towards it for me. I do like what they did with it in that one episode, but it could have been so much more. Additionally, I was not a fan of how Vader and Obi-Wan's duel ended. I know Obi-Wan can't die because that would break canon, but I would have preferred it if it ended with either Vader leaving Kenobi buried under those rocks, or some force of nature causing the battle to end in a stalemate. That way, it wouldn't undermine Vader's strength, or make Obi-Wan look too powerful. (Like how he was able to chuck all those rocks at Vader, when Vader could literally have ground them all to dust and flung them back at him.) Additionally, the Inquisitors all felt very out of character to me. I heard that the actor playing the Grand Inquisitor didn't even bother to watch Rebels before taking the part, which was definitely a red flag for me. In comparison to the ruthless yet cunning Jedi hunter we see in that show, the Grand Inquisitor felt very stiff and cold in Kenobi. Similarly, Fifth Brother seemed to only have the character trait of being aggressive, and lost the more sinister edge that he had in Rebels. Leia was portrayed very well in that show in my opinion though. She's exactly how I imagined she'd act at that age.
It's super interesting seeing the writing on this, after it came out along Stranger Things 4, the writing for which has been incredible. Obviously completely different genre, but why can't we expect the same high quality writing when dealing with such a beloved set of characters, when the Duffer Brothers are out there demonstrating incredible modern tv writing?
Watched some clips of Kenobi and nothing I saw made me think “Damn, I want to watch this.” In fact I thought “What the hell is this? Aw well, at least there’s spy x family”
Kenobi is definitely the worst directed and shot of the series. Wobbling hand held camera switching to over the top shaky cam and jump cuts during action to hide poor choreography. Not like star wars filming at all. Mos SW fan films do this much better understanding how star wars footage should look.
Considering how little she heard from the holo message, and the fact that Obi skipped on her on Jabiim, I agree with the thought that Reva thinks Luke is Kenobi’s son. She couldn’t fully read Owen in the beginning but now she knows what it is Owen was hiding at the time, the fact he knows Obi. Now she knows of “the boy” but that’s all she got. No mention of Anakin, just Vader, and it’s conceivable that Obi could’ve had a kid over the years, and if he DID he’d of course not want Vader knowing (the “if he finds out about the boy” part) Assuming she’s thinking this way, It would make sense to her if Obi had a kid he’d leave him with family before going on a rescue mission. Now she thinks she knows something about Kenobi that even Vader doesn’t know and she can get her revenge by killing the son of the man who left her to fight Vader alone. Basically she got the wrong idea and then came to her senses before she could do the deed. Plus I think the Force had a hand in it as well.
@@shinian6523 You’re right, but he also told her she can’t take on Vader alone. Add the “I’m bringing him to you” bit which was an ultimatum, and Vader telling Reva it was wise for Obi to use her against him and you can see why she’d feel betrayed. Again.
While I thought the show we got was ok, a 2.5/5, the expectations of the fans were at the high point that only a near perfect story would satisfy them. What we got was not that. If they had taken out the Kenobi/ Vader story lines and made it about the first Jedi we saw on Tatoonie, I forgot his name, and have him go through this story line and going against Reva, it would have made more sense. Of course the title would need to be changed, but it may have been enjoyed more since no main line characters were mentioned (maybe keep Vader around to organize Reva and the rest) and no large expectations or plot holes to rune. Than you would have people compare it to Jedi: Fallen Order, so maybe it would be a lose/lose situation anyway.
I loved the part when Obi-Wan said “I Quied when you were Gon” when Qui Gons force ghost appeared
I preferred the part where he did his iconic pose with his lightsaber, telling Vader " it's Kenobin' time "
Omg yes. Or when Vader says “I darth’d my pants.”
@Cat007 I know right
I liked the part when Kenobi came back from beating Vader and told little Leia "Obi won."
no one's quite gone.
Expectations were high for a Kenobi and Vader series, but that wasn’t what we got instead we get little Leia chase scenes, trench coat escapes, and Reva surviving lightsaber stabs
The grand inquisitor survived a lightsaber stabbing as well.
Day of our lives in space
dawgs, this has happened before in so many other star wars stories, dark side users can survive potentially lethal wounds with their hate and anger, because at the end of the day, they’re scared of death, while people on the light side can accept it. Been happening for awhile
@@HighHeelKnight Not gonna mention the two stomach thing because they made it clear it was revenge that allowed him to survive, and it’s his job to look into things before he was a Jedi that fell. Reva was stabbed in Order 66 without any knowledge of revenge being what allows you to keep going
@@stag2177 Yes but the fact that it has happened other times doesn't change how narratively terrible it is. Lightsabers are arguably the coolest and most dangerous handheld weapon in the history of fiction. Yet the folks behind the brand keep nerfing the weapons' effectiveness. How can lightsaber duels remain dramatic and tense if defeated people can literally"walk it off" by being angry enough? 🤦
To make matters worse...
George Lucas showed Darth Maul being sliced into because he initially wanted the character to be permanently dead. But Maul was so popular that LucasFilm brought the character back.
Now anytime LucasFilm or Disney think of an interesting / merchandisible character, the character almost never dies or remains dead. Fennec Shand, Fives, Asajj Ventress, Boba Fett, Asoka Tano, the Emperor (somehow), the list goes on and on. Don't be surprised when (not if) when Cad Bane returns in a future Star Wars project.
BoBF was disappointing. Kenobi was blasphemous!
Could we get a Kenobi series NOT about Kenobi abandoning his duty to "watch over the boy"?
Abandons Luke
Puts Luke in danger/exposes him
Fails to protect/save him the ONE time he was needed
Rides off into the desert after telling Owen and Breu they were all the protection Luke needs
Ikr? And cutting himself off from the force for 10 years. He should have been training his socks off like Uncle Iroh in the prison.
And let's not mention he let vader live...again. like "my boi is dead and evil" but peace bruh keep enslaving millions and hunting down and killing all our old buddies. Shows absolutely pointless
Wait,that last part happened? Wtf?
It makes me angry whenever I think about how they wasted Ewan and Hayden. Like how do you not focus the storyline on their relationship?
I MEAN LIKE THEY USED Ford, Fisher and Mark in ST. Well done. I hope they fire all untalented people who dont care about SW at Lucas....
@@alesksander I mean just let Dave run the creative direction of all the shows. He’s the only one who gets it. Everything should go through him.
@@alesksander I agree, Disney keeps wasting legacy character opportunities to prop up their new characters.
The fact we will never see Hamil Ford and Fisher in a scene together ever again is such a tragic waste of potential.
Now they'll do the same with Christian and Mcgregor
@@rhetro777 Not quite, originally it had Darth Maul as the villain and focused more on Obi-Wan protecting Luke but Kathleen Kennedy didn't like the scripts so the majority of it was rewritten to include Vader as the villain. The reason the Vader/Kenobi aspect is so underwhelming is because it was never intended to be part of the story in the first place.
Right
I loved hearing this discussion. I would say Kenobi should have been a character study with a singular perspective from Kenobi and perhaps vader.
Yeah with some flashbacks to the old times in between !
100% character study. Why they choose action/adventure for someone who has PTSD is ridiculous
@@thephantomfanboy Because SW is an action adventure franchise. YOU may have liked it, but the vast majority would have been bored out of their minds. Besides, PTSD stories have had plenty of action before, Netflix's Punisher is probably the best example...
Yea
Two parallel stories of Obi-Wan and Vader in which they never actually meet, but instead their time together is flashed back to would have been the most tasteful way to do this. Have it take place 3-5 years after ROTS, and have the story be of Obi-Wan growing stronger in the light / reconnecting with the force, and have Vader struggling to put behind his past as Anakin. The resolution being we see Obi-Wan get on track to become Obi-Wan from ANH, and we see Vader begin to let go of Anakin, falling deeper into the dark side, and foreshadowing the calm, cool, collected, and callous Vader we see in ANH.
I’d say so, Kenobi and Anakin were their last Golden Goose and to say the squandered it, would be an understatement.
I'm sure they will do something with Yoda smh lol
@@jcrazy9008 yep, only Yoda, R2-D2 and C-3PO are left to ruin...though they kinda did dumb stuff with Threepio in the sequel trilogy...
@R.E.Z I say their interactions were the best part of the show.
@@achaudhari101 Even then kinda wasted, especially when Vader asks Obi-wan if he had come to destroy him. When it was Vader who went to Obi-wan. Their first fight was dogwater as well, not to mention fire not working the way its supposed to when Obi got dragged.
They'd better not mess up Ahsoka 😡
It felt like a small child telling a story. Where it's all like "and then, and then, and then" Without events following logically from one to the next. Individual parts might work but it doesn't add up to a cohesive story.
After obiwan and Boba Fett I agree with Anakin now, I HATE THE SAND, the prequels showed that the Star Wars is so much bigger than tattoine yet somehow we keep going back 😩
I’ve been saying this for YEARS!
And the old EU was much bigger than that.
I agree with you, yet at least Mando has shown us quite a few worlds.
But it's logical to be in tattoine with Obi-wan at least.
Unlike other shows
So …what’s the deal with writing in general then? How are there sooo many flaws, so many issues that contradict canon or lore? Are these writers not fans like we are? How do they cook us a grilled cheese sandwich in a 5-star restaurant with a big smile on their faces as if we’re going to enjoy it? How does this keep happening?
Many of these writers do not seem to do their due diligence and research the characters they are writing for. Even for the secondary characters. They also go with premises that run contradictory to the character or even logic purely because they want them to do that.
When Disney bought SW I only wanted one thing from them KOTOR era stories. After seeing what they’ve done with 80% of their releases I don’t want them anywhere near the old republic
Oh boy, the KOTOR remake tho…
My thoughts exactly
They can do any era they want, the Star Wars universe has a huge history, if they do a bad story somewhere 3000 years before the skywalker saga or after, no one will care, however with this constant clinging unto the skywalker saga, they are destroying there own work...
The show is an underrated masterpiece. The part in the end where Qui Gon appears as a force ghost and tells Kenobi "its morbin time" and the show cut to black; absolute genius.
No but in all seriousness they crapped the bed with this one. As per usual Disney star wars gets summed up as "wasted potential."
You had me going for a minute until I read the end part.
Do you like Tom Petty?
The Morbs is what gives a Morbhead his power. It's an energy field created by all un-living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the cinematic universe together.
@@TokyoXtreme Do you like Tom Petty?
@@TokyoXtreme Do you like Tom Petty?
As underwhelming as Kenobi was, Boba Fett was far worse. That score for BoBF is far too generous IMO. Kenobi I’d say was some scattered awesome moments surrounded by terrible writing and setup for a much less interesting series.
Where Boba Fett was painfully boring throughout and scatterbrained. Even though it had two good episodes, those should’ve been saved for Mandalorian Season 3 and had nothing to do with the show itself. Besides, those good episodes were followed by a horrible finale that makes Mando S2 completely pointless.
My biggest complaint about The Book of Boba Fett, was that for a series about Boba Fett, he actually wasn’t the central character in his own show. I almost wish that Mando and Grogu weren’t in it, and that we got the more legendary version of Fett we all expected, instead of a guy who spends much of the series in the bacta tank.
I enjoyed the first few Boba Fett episodes esp. his initiation into the Tusker Raider tribe.
Although, the Mando eps we're good, I didn't necessarily enjoy them other than the whole Luke sequences.
W h a t? The Kenobi music was the worst and most forgettable of any Star Wars Movie or Show.
Boba fett atleast had an amazing theme
@@Rikrik1138 No. Boba was clearly the central focus. The problem was that Favreau didn't fully commit to Boba's character.
Remember what Ming Na-Wen said about what The Book Of Boba Fett is?...
"The Book Of Boba Fett is like The Godfather"
What she said is unfortunately not the case.
Unfortunately it's a yes for me. It's worse. It ruins the lore AND steals from other better stories. Boba while bad didn't step on many toes. Minus the last two episodes that were basically the Mando
And the episodes where they borrowed the Power Rangers bikes. Ironically, I could've seen that being a crossover that could've worked when Disney owned Power Rangers (if the right people were working on it). "May the Force be with you" verses "May the Power protect you." Maybe a prequel where Zordon was a Jedi padawan becoming a Jedi knight that gets lost and badly injured to the point his physical body cannot exist outside an containment field for a long time. He travels on a ship that later crashes on Earth while pursuing Rita Replusa, an evil force user that's not truly a Sith. He and his companion wait for Replusa to awaken. It's probably a good thing it never happened.
As someone who loves the Obi Wan character, all of this so saddening. I kind of wish the series was not done. I really hope they don't do another season.
Episode IV was comparable to "The Last Jedi." It broke all my modest respect for the show. Changing the last episode was a huge mistake.
I feel the same about part 4. I completely dropped the show after witnessing that trainwreck.
Thankfully episode 5 was pretty good
Are we really going to act like the other episodes aren’t also terrible? Episode 4 isn’t even the worst episode.
@@chasehedges6775 Episodes 4 and 5 I thought were solid. The rest of the show felt pretty bland.. poor wiring and directing.
@@jaypking4945 💯💯💯
This show suffered because Disney knew it was "too big to fail." If people would have watched it regardless of its quality then why would they bother making sure it is of good quality?
You do know that Disney the parent company actually don't make these shows. All they do is make sure LF has the money to do what shows they tell Disney that they will make. Disney give them some notes but this is all LF.
I participated in that Poll, Glad to see my 10% getting represented!
The highs of Boba fett(the two episodes that didnt include Boba Fett) were greater than highs of Kenobi. Boba fett was never a central character show nobody really cared. Even if Tbobf is overall a worse show, the magnitude of failure of a show like Kenobi makes it the worst star wars dinsey+ product. They had a perfect opportunity to explore so much lore with Kenobi and give us a deep dive into the post ROTS era with better writing and execution than what the prequels were. This could have been the most interesting character study of how Kenobi went from a beaten middle aged man to the hopeful wise man we know from ANH. Yet all we saw was 5 episodes of Obi wan's side quests and tbh except the half mask Vader moment, nothing else from that fight is memorable at all and i dont think Kenobi being stronger than Vader with the force is the right way to connect to the line 'I was but the leaner but I am the master'. Kenobi was always known for outsmarting his opponents and not outfighting them, the fight didnt do justice to that.
And even that half-mask moment was ripped off almost shot for shot from Rebels…
@@purpleemerald5299 Yup, even the best dialogues are taken from older movies or shows.
Considering how much this story breaks from the canon and the amount of wasted potential I'd say Kenobi's the worst. To hell with continuity. Not to mention the writers egregiously dumbing down Obi Wan's character. He's now officially useless. Completely complicit the deaths of millions even after fully realizing that Anakin is gone.
Right before the final fight Obi Wan admits to himself that he must do what must be done. I guess those were just empty words. If he's going to have a confrontation with Vader at least write in a scenario that makes it impossible for Kenobi to finish off Vader. Instead he just lets him live. How are people okay with this? It's so stupid.
I am growing suspicious that Disney is trying to go cheap with the Star Wars property. Why not, if the fandom isn't going to hold them to a higher standard. If people are going to buy whatever you're selling, why spend a dollar when only a quarter will do?
No I disagree 25mill is a good standard for each episode now the only question we as fans should have is where the hell did all that money go... Not into the show for sure
And to get a Lough out of you .... STAR WARS Gate...
@@atarotsjourney.4620 THAT is a good question. I wouldn't presume to know how much it really takes. However, whether the money was insufficient or misspent, the quality wasn't there. But, as it turns out, most people didn't care. They watched in droves and liked it fine.
Honestly, I haven’t “hated” any of the series so far. But I feel The Book of Boba Fett was my least favorite of the series so far.
However, one thing I feel is problematic for the story line is that Reva is still alive and knows the identity of Darth Vader. Depending on what her character does next, that could be canon breaking.
Could? Bruh Series brokes multiple cannon point. And its almost sickening how tf this can go trough review processes. They just dont care. Using Lucas original good idea and crap all over them almost intentionally now...
If we’re somehow willing to accept ANY of this, then it’s a little late to be worried about canon being broken…
@@purpleemerald5299 Same
Book of Boba Fett was also my least favorite. The last two episodes, especially the Finale, were good in my opinion. The first four episodes however just felt like filler, mainly because of poor writing and and directing. I think this should could have been a lot better.
@@alesksander didn't really break canon, but whatever
On a serious note, this show was dangling keys when you want to get the attention of an infant or cat. Flashy saber duels cannot replace a well written plot, decent not great but decent dialog, and decent not great but decent cinematography.
Hey saber duels weren't flashy. They were all eerily bland and dark
@@qui-gone true.
Let's be honest. Fett is a B tier character at most (at least from movies + CW). Kenobi and Vader are the core of Star Wars. The only two organic characters to be present in all 6 movies.
Such a malicious character assassination of these fan favourites is going to cause significant anger in the fan base.
This was the last jedi for prequel fans. Just like Luke was turned into Jake by Rian Johnson, this series turned Obi Wan into Noobi Wan - a man who needs ten year olds, scam artists, ice cube jr. and incompetent spies to lead him around everywhere.
Darth Vader went from the most iconic and feared villain in movie history to Saturday morning cartoon villain.
The combined IQ of Kenobi and Vader in this show is less than 50. That's unforgivable.
All who use PTSD as excuse for both Kenobi and Vader's incompetence here have no idea how PTSD or depression work.
I gave the show 1* and I'd keep it at that or less. This isn't canon for me.
My biggest gripe is that they wasted Ewan, Hayden and Liam. I feel sorry for Hayden most of all - they didn't even give him any screentime. Instead, they decided to make it about their intersectional oppression Olympics champion: RREEEVA - someone better than Jesus and DC's Joker when it comes to miraculous resurrections.
It's the wasted potential that will make most fans irate. Just like TLJ
As someone who strongly disliked both Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett it is absolutely clear BOBF is so much worse. Kenobi has some redeeming qualities, BOBF does not. I think the main reason Kenobi ranked lower is because people had high expectations for Obi-Wan and Vader (then felt tricked when they had a smaller role than we thought) and because BOBF left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. Ironically, the same way BOBF is making some fans hate Kenobi more, it is probably also make some fans love it more since "at least it isn't BOBF"
Obi Wan and Vader is the reason I had no interest in this show and expected it to be awful. That Disney found additional ways to make it awful didn’t disappoint me in the show more.
The lack of depth to the backgrounds/cinematography was totally noticable. Including the reusing of the same alley, even back to back shots used the same alley from different angles 😂
Had high hopes for the show, so i was ultimately disappointed with what we got. A show with 4 pretty bad and 2 mildly entertaining episode's, isn't really a good show in my eyes. It was just another show with a sprinkle of nostalgia and some moments (that are easily forgettable after the first watch), and it's sad to see what they're doing with CANON. One thing that i do appreciate from this show, is that i'm more invested in the Expanded Universe now.
I will say, during the final battle, I got a litte teary eyed when Obi got to see Anakin for just a moment, without even realizing it. A tragedy that only Luke could see through.
And then he said, "IT'S KENORBIN' TIME!" and I clapped.
At least Obi-Wan felt like the Obi-Wan we know and love. My only complaint about the series was the amount of focus they put on Reva and Leia.
But Book of Boba Fett turned Boba Fett into a wimp. Unless they make him realize what it takes to run a criminal empire in season 2, I'll never forgive Favreau for this.
it wasn't Favreau's fault
@@minerpvpgaming2160 Yes it was. He wrote the series.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I think it’s more the directors’ faults
Mainly Robert Rodriguez since he was also a executive producer
And favreau is also working on mando season 3
@@minerpvpgaming2160 No it isn't. Rodriguez didn't have nearly as much control as Favreau.
@@vetarlittorf1807 they were both executive producers and Rodriguez directed most of the episodes
The writing wasn’t as bad as the direction
I can forgive the plot-holes that only affect the show, but the ones who affect the entire franchise is what gets me.
Look, I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s Star Wars “experience”, however, if you happily accept crap, they will never do more than give you crap.
An analogy, if a restaurant gives everyone food poisoning every time anyone eats there and no one ever complains and just keeps going and giving them money, what motivation does the restaurant have to stop giving everyone food poisoning?
These are the basic requirements for a competent story, not a multi-million dollar production , but ANY story.
Obi-Wan fails at all 10 of these requirements.
Ten Basic Requirements for a competent Story
1. Have a Story to tell. A beginning, middle & end.
2. Follow a story structure that works, such as "Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___."
3. Follow the Law of Noncontradiction.
4. Write interesting, memorable and relatable characters.
5. Keep character consistency.
6. Honor cause and effect.
7. Detail the rules of your universe and Obey the established rules of the universe the story takes place in.
8. Set up & then pay off.
9. Subversion, make the subversion as logical and rewarding, if not more, than what you are subverting from.
10. Write a good ending, ideally something you may not see coming, but ultimately feels inevitable.
I liked Book of Boba but it's best parts were the Mando episodes, honestly I'm both shocked and not that Kenobi is rated lower, you major expectations that when not met will result in major disappointment, sadly that's what Kenobi was faced with and yeah I hoped those in charge would know the risk of botching this story after the many backlash from other legacy issues, I myself did enjoy this show more then Boba, but since boba is an untold story in an era after the OT there's less risk of getting wrong vs a major character Kenobi in a era before the OT, there's just something more to lose.
I thought boba was ass but Kenobi is watchable if you turn your brain off and that's more than I can say for boba at least for me
I loved Book of Boba-- I know, I'm probably the only person on earth who did.... ;) But I felt that the only real problem there was that the narrative structure was chaos, and I could look past that to appreciate a great story and characters. It's like an amazing cake that fell on the floor. Scoop a piece off the top, and it's a delicious mess. I'd much rather eat that than a well constructed cake that just isn't good.
@@williamkensington2772 agreed
Shows that know characters can’t die can build tension. These writers just don’t know how to tell a interesting story. Should have just been a character study between obi won and Vader.
Hell yeah it can be done. It's done in books all the time.
Unless you count the sequel trilogy as a series. I cannot see how anyone can ignore all the inconsistencies, contradictions, hypocrisies and just flat out mistakes and enjoy this show. I hate to criticize people personally, but you have to be missing a few cards not to see how bad the Obi-Wan Kenobi series is.
I, for one, think that this series could have been fantastic if they actually studied the main characters (Obi-Wan and Darth Vader) and enhanced them in a way that you could watch the prequels then the series, then the originals seamlessly and they would compliment each other. Kind of like how Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad enhance eachother. I would have Obi-Wan NOT learn that Anakin was alive until he slashed Vader's helmet in the "Rematch of the Century". Shocked, confused and mortified, Obi-Wan then gets stabbed in the guy by Vader and thrown off a cliff, Vader thinks he's dead, Qui-Gon appears as a Force Ghost to Obi-Wan and gives some motivational guidance and Obi-Wan leaves to get healed. It's one plot hole I think would've been fixed, in a show apparently riddled with holes.
Love this concept for the rematch battle
@@austinmitchell2652 And there's your problem: It's a cool concept.
The job’s yours……You start Monday 👍🏼
As far as I’m aware, from my group anyways, it wasn’t the worst but it was completely unnecessary at worst and completely trash at worst.
Boba Fett at least had a story to tell with stakes, Kenobi could only end in one way; everyone living and nothing of consequence happening.
And honestly, Boba Fett wasn’t even good, again according to my group.
It just didn't do justice to one of the top tier character in the Star Wars universe. It felt rushed and meaningless.
I think expectation plays a big role when working with a long-time established character…. Book of Boba Fett Episode 5 was a big boost for the series.
A lot of people liked Guardians of the Galaxy, and nobody really knew who they were. If you mess up an established character, forget it. Especially if different people have different interpretations of their favorite characters.
If you don’t count the two random mando episodes squished into the Boba Fett, I think Obi was a much better show. I haven’t thought once about Boba since the show and I blamed it on a lackluster director. Obi however I had much higher expectations for and it really makes me sad since we might not get another chance to see Ewan play Obi Wan again. Most of the show was sloppy and cheap looking, but with some very high moments as well. The finale with obi vs vader was one of my favorite Star Wars moments in the last few years and yet the episode as a whole was still disappointing. I feel like they got us hooked with a super high quality show like Mando and now are cutting budgets on future projects because they know we’ll watch whatever they put in front of us. Boba I’d give a 4/10 and Obi 6/10.
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People need to see the problems with this show. There's a LOT of them. So much potential wasted. You have the actors, the money, the production, the copyright, and they did this show. So sad, such a pity.
Have you seen the prequels, there pretty bad as well
Expectations definitely a thing here. And it should be. Kenobi is one of the top 3 characters. Then add Vader to the show. This series should have blown us away. Also, I'm not lowering my expectations for Star Wars just cause some people said i should. Star Wars is better than this.
What was the purpose of this series?
A) Finish KKs destruction of Lucas Star Wars,
B) Heartless Disney cash grab,
C) Introduction of new character(s), using an existing character,
D) All of the above.
E) None of the above, because who cares anymore... Disney Star Wars sucks.
While the Andor series has largely been regarded as the show nobody wanted, Kenobi more and more seems like the show that we should have never been given.
Well I wanted to see Obi Wan again and it was serviceable at best. Andor looks like it will get the better treatment.
@@achaudhari101 I think it’s tough particularly for OG fans like me. I didn’t hate the show, although it definitely had writing, story development, and filming issues. But there is a part of me that was satisfied and would have remained satisfied that Obi-Wan largely remained in seclusion for 19 years on Tatooine, communing perhaps only with Qui-Gon, and that he never met Vader again until ANH. Writing stories that backfill gaps for existing characters, particularly OG characters, is a challenging task for any writer to please a majority of the audience, particularly the OG segment.
“Reva had a surprisingly well done arc”
What arc? Seriously what is that person talking about? She has no development, she simply decided not to murder a child at the end.
Boba was so bad I couldn't finish it. Although Kenobi wasn't that good, I at least wanted to see what happened.
I think we should begin expecting more from series and movies. As it is now there are so many series and movies that are produced like they were spat out of some random script generating machine. We are drowned in so much junk that we have lowered our standards as a whole. But as long as we happily watch that junk, they will keep on producing it. They make more money if they don't have to spend too much time on what they make.
For me it was the worst and best series so far. I love seeing Ewan and Hayden back. I most likely won't watch a single episode again but I'll watch that final duel between Obi Wan and Vader at least 100 more times! That duel and Ewan's performance was a diamond in the ROUGH.
Haven’t seen the show at all, and honestly don’t intend to do so. However, I did watch the flashback and Vader v Obi-Wan several times on YT. Such a joy to see those two actors together again!
Both shows had great moments, but both shows also had pretty major execution issues at times. At least with BoBF, the plot could actually go somewhere without having any impact on established stories. They KINDA made it work with Obi-Wan as far as the plot inconsistencies go, but you still get the feeling that it was almost better for the overall story if the events of this show didn't happen at all.
Yeah, to me it seemed like, while BoBF didn't have great writing, most of the complaints mostly had to do with people not liking the direction Boba Fett was being taken it for reasons that generally amounted to it not matching their fanfiction. But, the Obi-Wan show was.......genuinely terrible, with only a few standout moments.
I think the shows are a similar level of not quality, but Kenobi is the more frustrating show because it’s about characters that are a lot more beloved then Boba Fett, who is still a beloved character but mostly by people who read the EU. Kenobi and Vader are known by everybody
Boba fett still is the worst. Like they seriously had to have Mando come in just to make it interesting. People are going to be so confused watching Season 3 of Mando if they didn’t get to watch Boba.
Resistance is the worst one.
@@achaudhari101 Resistance didn’t kill my excitement for a character I once loved so to me BOBF is still the worst.
Ewoks show slugger cmon
@@SomeYank9 I disagree considering that Resistance had two seasons to justify itself and failed. Book of Boba Fett, provided Rodriguez isn't back, can redeem the character.
@@achaudhari101 I don’t know. I honestly don’t see much of a way to salvage Boba.
If this were any other show, movie or IP, what I'm about to say would not be challenged, shilled or at the very least, disputed or gaslighted:
When it comes to any type of entertainment or even fiction in general, one of the first things a story needs to do is grab your interest that either gets you to click on the next episode or watch the sequel.
Right?
Well, under normal circumstances..
Being that the show is called Kenobi is misleading. It should be called The Adventures of Reva, Leia & Kenobi. And if you think that's being sarcastic or that I'm being cross, THE SHOW ITSELF took somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 minutes before we even get to Kenobi in the very 1st episode of his own show. Again, that is a technical, objective fact that ultimately informs you subconsciously of the importance of said characters.
Now, if it would have been played as campy, or had not taken itself so serious, (especially to those who either bypass it's flaws or admits them but still praise the show) that would be a totally different scenario.
Yet, 90% of the action, dialogue cinematography and locations, are at best, cheap or amateur. It reminds me of Sci-Fi Saturdays. The ONLY difference now of course the music which again, informs you subconsciously how to feel. Characters are taking a stance to only change a few seconds later, lightsabers bouncing off stormtroopers, Kenobi not walking around a laser fence, before hand, saying Leia's real name in front of stormtroopers while they're wanted fugitives, Lala discussing infiltration plans in the same exact space as the enemy, and the list gets quite lengthy.. before we get to that infamous tench coat scene..
Those issues branch further in to plot holes, inconsistencies and entanglements of Grand Father Paradox proportions.
How is Bail Organa not in prison before A New Hope seeing as how Vader now knows of all that transpired in this show? How can a youngling survive a stab wound by one of, if not the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Is Reva the only one that survived? And how does that keep Anakin/Vader as the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy if he can't kill a defenseless youngling??
Star Wars or not, there's very little in the way of compelling or even good storytelling that gives you a vested interest in continuing other than one's own interests. The only real emotion came in Episode 6 of a 6 episode show. The show refuses to give try basic story structure, refuses to make sense even if given the opportunity, makes holes and inconsistencies at nearly every plot point. Were it not even the largest IP in history, I'd still rate it a 3.5 out of 10.
Guess blaming the fans and labeling the majority as racist for the actions of the few had consequences.
Enjoy the bed you’ve made, Lucasfilm.
What you said was great except you didn't mention the spear head of all this, Kathleen Kennedy, KK. Imagine an extremist feminist who is now president of Disney? She is smart and diabolical, hate George, his strong knowledgeable fan base, know more about SW than she could ever imagine, and any person who liked the OT and love giving them the middle finger every time she re-creates SW in her "extreme feminist view". She used Leia and Reva the same way she did in the sequels with Rey, think... it's not illegal yet?
@@jakecook2375 Disney fans within the SW community are worse than Kathleen Kennedy.
If KK is a creative at any capacity your're goi ng to get fuck you middle finger style.
@@AncestorEmpire1 You can believe that if you want to.
I enjoyed parts of the show, but overall it was lackluster. I feel like more passionate fans are aware of the mistakes disney made along the series, where as other people are enjoying for a more casual watch. One thing i noticed was i feel like disney was intentionally releasing each episode later to fix the mistakes they knew fans were going to point it. It needed to be pointed out that they needed a better writer.
"The Book of Bobba Fett" was a 2/10 while "Obi-Wan Kenobi" was a 3/10, so the latter was 50% better, which is quite impressive!
Book of boba fett:
Good visuals
Episode 3,4,5, are good
Decent story
Great soundtrack
Good characters
Decent acting
Obi wan kenobi:
Unmemorable soundtrack
Poor acting
Horrible script
Horrible writing
Poor visuals
Decent action
Zero stakes
Bobf episode 2 is way better than 3 imo
Who’s even excited for Andor?? Rogue One is only liked by fans because it’s not riddled with Marvel humor and has that Darth Vader hallway scene. No one remembers the main cast of that movie.
When the writers for Kenobi go on the record saying this show will highlight both Reva and Leia's story, then why would we expect them to base this on Obi-Wan?
Oh but it is about Kenobi. It revolves around him abandoning his duty to "watch over the boy"
Abandons Luke
Puts Luke in danger/exposes him
Fails to save/protect Luke
Ride off into the desert telling Owen he and Brue are the only protestors Luke needs
@@hermittmog8697 you know when you put it that I guess it makes sense.
Agreed. Yes. It was a show. I have watched a few times. By myself and then with the family. There was a lot of misses. And a few hits. Not sure it was needed
Parallel stories with Vader and Obi-Wan that each focus on the fallout of episode 3 without them meeting again could have been an interesting story, provided the right screenwriter handled it.
To me, Star Wars has always been a Buffett. Nothing wrong with trying it all, but you mainly take what you like and forget the rest.
I will say that they really need to start filming stuff completely separate from what we know. Do what the old republic did and go way into the future or past. Maybe when grogu is 900 years old and then you can have total creative freedom with the star wars framework. You don’t risk angering the fans by mishandling beloved characters.
I’m burned out on these kenobi videos 🤕, but it’s the hot topic right now so get your $$ and views . No harm in that . I still listen and thumbs up 👍🏽
Ok unpopular opinion here: I did not like the fight between Vader and Obi Wan in the series. It was what I critique about most anime. The fight is mostly someone dominating over the other. You know when Vader is dominating the fight or viceversa. It was not enjoyable except for the obvious fan service for all of us that love Star Wars I would have like a full on battle like Revenge of the Sith, except this time ending in a stalemate. Then Vaders words to Obi Wan still holds up true: “When I LEFT you I was but a learner…”. Because none won the fight. I hated that after all that time Obi Wan still won the fight at the end and worst, he left Vader on the ground without doing what he must. It’s not consistent at all!
Personally, I enjoyed some aspects of Book of Boba Fett. It's not a good show, and I'm really just sick of Tatooine at this point, but I think it was decent in terms of some worldbuilding (especially with the Tuskens) and giving Boba some character development. I know a lot of other people didn't like how he was portrayed in the show, but I actually liked it. Kenobi just kinda put a bad taste in my mouth and I felt it was completey unecessary and took away from the OT somewhat. Boba Fett, while it could've used a lot of improvement, didn't do that. Plus the Mando epsiodes, while they shouldn't have been put in the series, were pretty good. So overall, I'd take Book of Boba Fett over Kenobia any day of the week.
My main problem with the show is that is was just disappointing I would rather this show not exist. It needed to be amazing and it was just mediocre. Not the mention the 3 awful chase scenes the trench coat scene and the fact that reva had more plot armor than obi-wan just to name a few.
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It wasn't terrible but nothing special for me. The show was fine the way it ended but if they do cave and do a 2nd season, it'll just make more unnecessary plotholes. Personally, I thought the god mode Obiwan was a bit over the top.
Way over the top. Obi-Wan is not that kind of jedi.
I think there's a better Kenobi in Dr. Sleep than this show. think about it McGregor plays someone with powers, suffering from past trauma, has a ghost mentor, has to protect a child with great powers from an evil group
Kenobi was flawed, but Boba Fett was Spy Kids level bad. No comparison
I can’t remember if I voted on the poll, but I think a 3 is about right. I’d give it a B-, it wasn’t perfect but I enjoyed it.
I think Andor is gonna be good, considering they have a lot of freedom despite his fate being sealed. It’s like a blank slate and can add more to the lore
I want andor to be good for sure
@Pro Choice for Stupid Women I haven’t seen a matrix movie since reloaded.
I also think that book of Boba Fett would have been better had they not gotten Robert Rodriguez involved, Danny Trejo aside
I find the results of this poll to be completely unexpected! I honestly felt infinitely less satisfied overall with BoBF (even though I enjoyed a good portion of it) than I did with Kenobi. Sure, there were some things with certain execution moments here and there that I didn’t care for, and definitely some technical “nuts and bolts” things I think could’ve been improved a great deal…but overall I walked away from Kenobi wanting more. Whereas with BoBF I finished wanting to move onto another story.
At first I was gonna say Kenobi was slightly better than Book of Boba Fett, and then I remembered that the last three episodes of Boba were saved by Mando and Luke showing up.
It was still mediocre, and both shows ruined their titular characters, and even Mando season 2’s ending was ruined too, but I was far more invested in the latter half of Boba than I ever was with Kenobi, which is honestly kinda sad.
I was one of the people who gave this a 2/5. It needed to live up to the standard of storytelling we got in the first 6 movies in order to justify its existence. Sadly it was filled with plot holes which undermined it from the very beginning. Combined with the poor direction and cinematography, I honestly think all those higher ups (not the actors) should be sacked for incompetency.
Disney wants to build their own legacy in relation to Star Wars lore. So far they have failed in my view. They should have taken from the source material already available i.e the EU books. There are sooooooo many novels to chose from that would make a great story.
There is no story, there is content.
There is no canon, there is money to make.
There is no character, there is nostalgia bait.
There is no passion, there is corporate greed.
There is no leadership, there is Kathleen.
sounds like a literal Sith Code (crossed out & rewritten by Disney ofc)
This was the first Disney+ Star Wars series I watched. I enjoyed it, though it has some issues. I wanted to see more of the Grand Inquisitor. And him getting killed off then not giving an explanation of how he survived. And they ended up doing the same with Reva being left for dead and she just quickly gets to Tatooine. Also I thought it was weird how Obi-Wan sorta just leaves Reva hanging on the mining planet when he said "Because all he'll see is me" which would imply that he'd stay and fight while Reva would try to sneak attack Vader. "You won't stop him alone." And maybe the sixth episode should had been Reva and Obi-Wan fighting Vader, where Reva would die leaving that actual final fight. But among other things, hearing James Earl Jones still being able to deliver his role as Vader was awesome. And Hayden Christensen having to speak to Obi-Wan with a mix of him and Jones' voice I think was more exciting than the battle. And the little things, there was a Stormtrooper in the third episode who was a bit laid back, showing his human side. I actually thought Obi-Wan would have to kill him, but instead a different group of Stormtroops, and I really liked that they showed a pretty graphic death at that scene. Also Reva just cutting off the woman's hand was surprising.
My favorite part was when Obi wan said “It’s over Darth! I have Obi Won!
Honestly, I kinda liked it. I didn't think they ruined any characters or did anything offensive. And amping up the Force use/power level was pretty cool, doesn't make any sense... but it was cool.
Edit: want to add I am SO HAPPY Hayden didn’t ruin it for me. I thought he did perfectly fine, which is all I needed.
(Also, fixed a typo)
Finally someone who's levelheaded
@@darthrevan454 lol thanks
I think Kenobi was unnecessary you can ignore what happened in the show and nothing will change, in fact, everything is better if you ignore the show, and in some aspects like the props it’s the worst Star Wars Series, At least Boba Fett looked descent at minimum in its props and settings
Star wars writers: *tries to keep everything the same so that they don't retcon anything important in the original trilogy*
"Fans": Omg they didn't do anything in the show, everything is the same if you ignore the show.
My prediction.
Star wars writers: *changes or adds literally anything that can explains any previous plot holes in the prequels, original, clone wars, etc*
"Fans" what the actual living fuck? Why would you change/add anything to star wars??? Do they even know what they're doing???
I have to wonder just what kind of injury did Darth Vader inflict on Reva that she recovered without a bacta tank, like putting a bandage on a burn and is perfectly OK. This is a bigger plot hole than Leia and Darth Vaders needing to forget that anything happened.
Star Wars live action has gone from being a must see spectacle to just a content factory to pump stories out to keep people subscribed to a streaming service in less than 10 years. We aren’t even getting movies like the MCU does, that’s how far Star Wars has fallen. Thanks Disney.
I like a compelling consistent story with competent villains, sadly Kenobi lacked all that. I’m not surprised this scored lower than TBOBF. People didn’t like what they did to Boba and it did have some plot holes & bad writing but Kenobi was far worse for plot holes and poor writing.
Star Wars isn’t Marvel or DC comic stuff with multiverses and rebooted characters etc. What I liked about Star Wars, for the most part, the content creators tried to be consistent with the overall story but now LFL doesn’t care about it. Want to retcon something that happened in a comic even though it adds nothing of value to the overall story? No problem, go right ahead. The EU got made Legends so they could have more freedom and create a new single unified & consistent canon, that lasted how long? Pablo has said as long as the key moments line up how you get there can be up to the current creative. I hate this approach.
Any passible moments are far out weighed by it's blasphemous treatment of Kenobi's ONE TASK in this era! "Watch over the boy"! Maybe one rewatchable scene for me.
The show felt like a tug of war between two different writing teams. One team wanted to tell a deeply emotional story about Obi-Wan struggling to overcome his guilt over Anakin and having to come face-to-face with the monster that Anakin has become, all before learning to let go of that loss and not let it define him anymore. The other team wanted to write an adventure story about young Leia and subtly change the lore to state that Obi-Wan only succeeded because Reva turned back to the light. The finale really felt like they were trying to say that Reva is the real reason Luke stayed a secret from the Empire and became a Jedi, and that they were undermining Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan Kenobi exceeding a rating of 3.0 is depressing. It's still in last place, but it belongs in the 2.0 - 2.9 range.
I didn't vote because I didn't watch it. Maybe Andor will finally seduce me to Disney+ but as for all previous series, I will wait to see how they turn out first.
One thing that disappointed me was Haja Estree. I love Haja but he is all over the place. Why did Reva not kill him when we saw her chop someone's hands off for no real reason in the earlier episode? How closely tied is he to the Rebellion versus the grifting we see him doing as his introduction? Hubby and I were chatting and we would have loved to see him as Leia's new personal head of security at the end. That would have been a brilliant blend of the goodness we've seen in him and that grifting/streetwise side of him that would be ready to counter Leia’s developmentally appropriate moments of child brattiness, as well as show respect to his willingness to help Obi-wan.
Just picture it: Leia stands in the doorway looking out at the forest. Enter Haja in formal robes with a datapad. “Not today, Princess,” he says with a grin and a wink. Leia looks up at him and grins. “I know! Duty comes first.” Haja chuckles as she disappears behind a screen with attendants to get dressed.
3.05 / 5 is honestly too high for me , 2.5 / 5 would be my rating , the show was passable and had some fun moments , but they were too far between utter stupid moments and a main character nobody asked for.
Except for the Vader scenes, it was mostly unwatchable. Absolutely cringeworthy at times.
Kenobi is worst (not counting resistance)
Boba broke side characters
Kenobi had main character and destroyed them...
Debatable on the last part.
This series is why i canceled my Disney + account. I’ll just pirate Mando. Disney doesn’t deserve any of our money.
Star Wars Theory’s poll has Kenobi at 75% liking it with over 10x the amount of voters. Sample size and audience matters. This channel is highly anti Obi-Wan so obviously that’s who’s watching. This isn’t data. It’s just “do people who don’t like Kenobi not like Kenobi”
Thank you
Thank you! Someone has to say it
I didn’t watch book of boba fett but I couldn’t sit through all of obi wan. The show felt cheap, the writing meh, no particular flair or style. Just felt very bland and that’s not what I want from obi-wan
It's hard to have your two legacy characters shine when they are both men, and the show has obviously been told to focus on the two women.
Honestly, Kenobi wasn't that bad. I do think it could have been better in certain areas, but overall it was a pretty decent show. It's clear to me that there was more effort put into this than in many of the Disney+ shows of recent memory. (like Loki, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, The Book of Boba Fett, Mando S2, The Bad Batch, etc.)
I don't think it was really the show Star Wars fans were hoping for, but it's far from being terrible. Also, the fact that they got Andrew Stanton, the Director of Finding Nemo and WALL-E to write for the last two episodes is amazing. (And there was definitely a big quality increase in those two from episode 4)
Edit: I do agree with you that they should have done more with the flashbacks. The rumor of there being flashbacks to The Clone Wars in the show was one of the main pulls towards it for me. I do like what they did with it in that one episode, but it could have been so much more. Additionally, I was not a fan of how Vader and Obi-Wan's duel ended. I know Obi-Wan can't die because that would break canon, but I would have preferred it if it ended with either Vader leaving Kenobi buried under those rocks, or some force of nature causing the battle to end in a stalemate.
That way, it wouldn't undermine Vader's strength, or make Obi-Wan look too powerful. (Like how he was able to chuck all those rocks at Vader, when Vader could literally have ground them all to dust and flung them back at him.)
Additionally, the Inquisitors all felt very out of character to me. I heard that the actor playing the Grand Inquisitor didn't even bother to watch Rebels before taking the part, which was definitely a red flag for me. In comparison to the ruthless yet cunning Jedi hunter we see in that show, the Grand Inquisitor felt very stiff and cold in Kenobi. Similarly, Fifth Brother seemed to only have the character trait of being aggressive, and lost the more sinister edge that he had in Rebels.
Leia was portrayed very well in that show in my opinion though. She's exactly how I imagined she'd act at that age.
It's super interesting seeing the writing on this, after it came out along Stranger Things 4, the writing for which has been incredible. Obviously completely different genre, but why can't we expect the same high quality writing when dealing with such a beloved set of characters, when the Duffer Brothers are out there demonstrating incredible modern tv writing?
Watched some clips of Kenobi and nothing I saw made me think “Damn, I want to watch this.” In fact I thought “What the hell is this? Aw well, at least there’s spy x family”
Kenobi is definitely the worst directed and shot of the series. Wobbling hand held camera switching to over the top shaky cam and jump cuts during action to hide poor choreography. Not like star wars filming at all. Mos SW fan films do this much better understanding how star wars footage should look.
They hyped us with the trailer, when they choose to use Duel of the fates and battle of the heroes, and we get a little Imperial march at the end
Considering how little she heard from the holo message, and the fact that Obi skipped on her on Jabiim, I agree with the thought that Reva thinks Luke is Kenobi’s son. She couldn’t fully read Owen in the beginning but now she knows what it is Owen was hiding at the time, the fact he knows Obi. Now she knows of “the boy” but that’s all she got. No mention of Anakin, just Vader, and it’s conceivable that Obi could’ve had a kid over the years, and if he DID he’d of course not want Vader knowing (the “if he finds out about the boy” part) Assuming she’s thinking this way, It would make sense to her if Obi had a kid he’d leave him with family before going on a rescue mission. Now she thinks she knows something about Kenobi that even Vader doesn’t know and she can get her revenge by killing the son of the man who left her to fight Vader alone. Basically she got the wrong idea and then came to her senses before she could do the deed. Plus I think the Force had a hand in it as well.
I'm not sure about that last part. Kenobi offered to help her and she said "I don't need your help". Or am I remembering it wrong?
@@shinian6523 You’re right, but he also told her she can’t take on Vader alone. Add the “I’m bringing him to you” bit which was an ultimatum, and Vader telling Reva it was wise for Obi to use her against him and you can see why she’d feel betrayed. Again.
While I thought the show we got was ok, a 2.5/5, the expectations of the fans were at the high point that only a near perfect story would satisfy them. What we got was not that. If they had taken out the Kenobi/ Vader story lines and made it about the first Jedi we saw on Tatoonie, I forgot his name, and have him go through this story line and going against Reva, it would have made more sense. Of course the title would need to be changed, but it may have been enjoyed more since no main line characters were mentioned (maybe keep Vader around to organize Reva and the rest) and no large expectations or plot holes to rune. Than you would have people compare it to Jedi: Fallen Order, so maybe it would be a lose/lose situation anyway.
Kenobi is just disappointing, it’s not terrible. Book of Boba however is honestly an embarrassment
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