How Brazil Beat the Abrams, the Osório | Cursed by Design
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If I told you that a Brazilian tank outperformed the world famous Abrams you’d probably write a long winded post calling me insane in the comments. Contrary to what you may think though, in 1987 this is exactly what occurred in Saudi Arabia. This is the story of the Osorio, Brazil's only domestic main battle tank.
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Eu sou brasileiro.
Don't stop this series
Can' lite though, not as if ther product is revolutionising but if it helps you pay the bills
There's more cursed by design brazilian tanks, looks at x1a2 carcará, an m3 stuart with 90mm canon, bernardini's tamoyo series of light tanks based on the m-41 walker bulldogs, including the m-41C caxias version with a 90mm canon (its the 75mm open by brazilian enginers and loosing this bullet exit velocity), also the first versions of EE-9 Cascavel its a modified M-8 Greyhound, the cursed by design ee-17 and ee-18 sucuri tank hunters, the ee-3 jararaca its a planned explorers platoon vehicle, buts this idea dont exactly work, and the charrua personal carrier sad story, like the osorio
I'm Brazilian and live in Brazil, trust me when I say this, almost everything here is cursed by political design.
Even your women and children too?
@@vincentlee7359 not "everything"
@@kamonek3825 ah so just the women
@@vincentlee7359 nop
@@vincentlee7359 no, but your mother for sure
"Did you defeated the Abrams?"
Engesa: ...Yes.
"What did it cost?"
Engesa: My company
It still worked, like the K-2 black panther
Very sad moment
@Joe Blowe the point of armor is IF you get hit it decreases the chance of destruction/Penetration remember the tank was only a prototype most likely the creators would have addressed the issues later on, like how the original M4 Sherman was horrible but many variations/upgrades later
Very funny 😠
@@Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 so those engineers were going to magic up armor that took multi-billion dollar conglomerates decades to develop? Please. The only tank to ever destroy an M1 Abrams is another M1 Abrams, and that was a mission kill, not a total wreck. The "M1s" you see fielded by other countries are export versions without the full armor package standard on US models. There's a reason why the Gulf War was one of the most one sided curbstomps in military history. The M1's main gun could go through any Iraqi tank the long ways even through entrenchments while the Iraqi tank guns created interesting smears on the armored hull of the Abrams. Simply put, the MBT main gun that can punch through the armor of an M1... does not exist.
Gaijin if they decide to add it to war thunder: hmmmm... let’s make it a........ German top tier premium
Already have the f 5 now it needs the Osório
gaijin would be rich if they added Brazilian vehicles/ Brazilian modified vehicles
@@kakagakakerger4165 rich-er.
Not gonna lie; I'd buy/grind & spade every single Brazilian vehicle. Being a Brazilian myself.
Lol germany and russia have way too many tanks now and they are still getting more of them so i wouldnt be surprised
Brazil: I made a better tank then the Abram-
Politics: *i'm gonna stop you right there*
"No strings attached", something that US don't understand yet. Anyone should be allowed to buy the best equipment regardless of technology used inside.
@@Joshua_N-A wat? That second part of you sentence makes no sense
@@Joshua_N-A The second part of your coment made no sense. Did you even watch the entire video? The Abrams was chosen so the saudi arabian government could keep good relations with the US, because there are several historical events that explain why you should keep good relations with the US.
@Joe Blowe I'll stop bitching when you stop couping governments
I wonder have they do a shot test with that thing because I don't really think there are composite armor in the turret.
"Sorry Brasil, but, the Yankees buy more oil" some Saudi prince, probably
@Win SHAPPY you go with that ignorant statement
@The plan lol epic!
The Yankees fight their wars.
@The plan
Thong bikinis?
@@Sua_Sponte_- See instagram is bad, But the point isn't that istagram is so bad, its just saying that brazil does have some intelligent people who make money instagram is bad but the guy who made it is aleast smart enough to trick people into using it.
So the Osório is basically the IS-7 Brazil edition:
A tank that succeeded at everything but still failed to enter production and achieve anything
to be fair the IS-7 wasnt succesfull because it would have been outdated very fast, heavy tanks were a dying breed for a reason
@@CrazyDutchguys tanks with manned turret are going same way today
@@iansysoev9462 not necessarily,manned turrets are still needed but countries are starting to cut down in crew numbers with the addition of AI systems and completely digital FCS which makes it look like a video game..where you kill people.
@@iansysoev9462 the T-14 Armata isn't going to revolutionize that, really.
@@iansysoev9462 How about 'Manned sank turret' designs? They could seem to stay, but it's basically the same as unmanned.
I love how they utilized the best parts of every tank, making such a great blend.
I think one thing that might have been a strike against it was no armor testing. Everything else was great but they didn't know how protective the armor was
Pretty it's protection is on the level of AMX40 but not up to Challenger 1 or M1 Abrams.
Good point - a good gun without sufficient protection is a waste of armor and more importantly servicemen. The M1A1 has Chobham armor (I believe later variants add a layer of depleted unranium), which, whie not bulletproof, is close. IEDs do their damage typically on the thin-skin underbelly and mechanics.
@@mohhughes4870 Good gun and a very good fire control system is more important than armor in modern tank on tank combat imo.
@voo well
A tabk can face a rifle fire which is also importent
Except the armor the Abrams and British tanks armor is secret.
If there's one lesson from the Osorio's pitiful story, it's that the strongest/best ones don't always win the race.
the politics did
O estados unido ja e bem conhecido no mundo todo e o brasil esta comessando agora
Todo mundo preferio compra o tanque de um pais q todos ja conhece do q compra um q esta se desenvolvendo agora
@@carloscrcruz2533 the low survivability cost it the win. Still a good tank tho
This tank is so blessed that it overflow back into being cursed.
What’s your pfp from, it looks familiar but I can’t remember for shit
@@dopedoge3603 She is my OC.
Like the is7
@@FreedomFighterEx oh nice, I have no idea why she looks familiar to me I must be thinking of something else lol
I refuse to like the comment as it's at 404 like how my brain is when I try to comprehend German engineering
Duuuuude when I was in technical college my Resistence Of Materials teacher worked in the Osório!
If you have the ability to get in contact with them it would be cool to possibly get some of the information right from one of the engineers.
Must’ve been cramped in there.
Imagina estudar RESMAT com um cara desses, caraca!
Patria Amada Brasil !
@Travis Hanks thats Brasil way of life
They should've offered this to other smaller nations who are willing to try out NATO tanks but are not paid attention by US, UK, France or Germany.
The big boi nations dont care because they have better tanks and they dont want to look shit by buying a tank from south america
@@ballsdeep7056 Asian and African countries would've bought it gladly
@Leopard 2A4 MBT what?, you really want america to look like a dumbshit by buying a tank from south america? Other countries will laugh at them then
@@ballsdeep7056 It's a better Tank.
If there was war the Brazilian Tank would be more likely to give you victories in land battles, instead of M1 Abrams.
So it's definitely the best choice. You buy weapons to win wars, not look good.
@@brunoacostasilva america is a large country that protects europe, asia, and itself, if they mass produced the osorio russia and china will think america is weak, plus the abrams is combat proven enough
Hey Cone, just a quick correction. In the beggining of the video, u said that the Osório is the only domestic MBT produced by Brazil, but that's not correct.
We had another MBT, it was called MB-3 Tamoyo, and was produced by Bernardini, another private enterprise just like Engesa. Bernardini worked on upgrading the old brazilian tanks, such as the M3 Stuart (which became the X1 variants) and the M41 (which became the M41C).
The story of Bernardini is a very interesting one, and I realy recomend u doing a video on it, people would surelly apreciate. And, if you do consider this idea, you can count with my help.
Love your content m8
The reason I said it's the best not domestic MBT is because the MB-3 isn't domestically produced it was an upgrade to a tank built by another nation. Brazil did design the upgrade but they didn't design the vehicle. The Osorio was built from the ground up so I consider it a domestic design.
@@ConeOfArc omg you did answer, i'm pretty happy with it.
Yeah, indeed, the MB-3 was based on the M41, althought the inspiration draws more on the M41C i've mentioned, which is VERY modified. Nonetheless, it's still based in an foreign vehicle. I undestand your point, and i agree with u.
The thing i think is realy interesting about the Tamoyo (the Tamoyos I and II, to be precise) is that the tanks had mainly national components, unlike the Osório. Also, the main focus of Bernardini was selling it to the Brazilian Army, unlike Engesa with the Osório.
Still, Bernardini made some realy incredible things with the old tanks our army used during the 60s and 70s, some of them are very interesting (for example, this is what they've done with the M3 Stuart "Off The Mark: US Revamp: X1A2" otm-uswot.blogspot.com/2018/03/x1a2.html?m=1 )
Anyways, thanks for the reply dude, and if you do want to make more videos about brazilian tanks, you can count with me.
seems your wish came true
If fact, Osório was not 100% demestic, most technology was bought from europe
You're totally wrong. The Tamoyo was a MEDIUM tank and not an MBT...
So cool as a brazilian to have someone from other country talking about this tank.
Pra caralhoKKKKKKK
Mucho respeto desde Chile compadre saludos tienen muy buenos tankes
indeed meu camarada, is noice to feel some respect from ppl of other countryes
Um gênio ou uma obra prima nasce em qualquer lugar do mundo nunca subestime isso, quando se tem a vontade e dedicação só faltam as ferramentas.
Yeah, it’s junk. Enjoy 👍
I'm Brazilian, and when I stumbled upon this video I thought to myself, "how come I've never heard of this tank??" Well, there's the sad answer.
USA, that's the answer
@@robbieaulia6462 I know right, we're great.
I have it on my tank book
We Brazilians still have some good exported firepower. The supertucano
Eu também
Sweden is another country making very high end kit that often goes under the radar
that's a good thing.
Laughs in Gripen.E
FUGGGG...
:DDDDD
@@ace7843 kkk
Gripen is the Proud of sweden
This is a very revealing video about a head to head test competition. However, as other posters have mentioned, the decision to purchase an MBT is quite different than buying a single, well performing model. Logistics, reliability, track record, resupply, expected upgrades and yes, even geopolitics enter into the equation. I appreciate the engineering accomplishment that the Osorio represents, and that’s an important piece of the puzzle…but only one piece. Thanks for the vid!
You forgot the most important points: lobbying & corruption. While in this case just an assumption, history has shown that those factors play major roles, especially in state contracts, so it seems quite likely here as well. Having the best product means nothing compared to having the strongest lobby bribing the right people. As stated before, without solid proof I may very well be wrong, but it still seems likely to me.
I'm always a bit hesitant in tests like this to draw too many conclusions. Prototypes are often hand made by the company and it's designers/engineers to the highest specifications so they often perform much better than production models. Once a tank enters production they cut corners to make them easier and cheaper to produce, they sometimes cut features, and since they're assembled by factory workers using mass produced materials they're not built to as high a quality. That's the main reason that Russian/Soviet vehicles often perform great in tests or at shows like this but then the real tanks are significantly worse. A good, but old, example is the T-34 which had armor that most German weapons couldnt penetrate... or it was supposed to at least, the real production models had worse steel than the prototypes and early models and the tank could be destroyed by guns it's armor should have shrugged off.
I dont know about this test specifically but I've seen some similar tests where they take a prototype model and compare it to a different, production model tank and the prototype can perform better since it was a bespoke tank built by a team of engineers and designers rather than a production model built en masse by factory workers. There's also the issue that MANY pieces of equipment from tanks to aircraft can seem great on paper and seem great with hand built prototypes but then severely under perform in real combat. Even some of the best pieces of military equipment will get upgrades and alterations after being combat tested regardless of how well they were tested in a lab. The M-16 was a good example: the first models were flawless when fired in a lab by experienced technicians and testers but once it got out in the field they realized it had more trouble than they thought in harsh environments like muddy trenches or fox holes, or in the jungle and it required some alterations and more maintenance training. The first M-16s were trash compared to later models like the M16A1 or M4, and a lot of the problems were because of issues discovered in the field when the weapon was used in combat: like the full auto setting was assumed to be great because it provided excellent covering fire when needed but in reality soldiers tended to shoot off full clips (often missing), the normal clip size meant that covering fire only lasted seconds, and the soldiers got weighed down carrying extra ammo but switching it to a burst fire setting made it both more accurate, more efficient on ammo usage, and made it so that the covering fire could last longer before needing to reloaded.
Compared to some other cursed designs this one rates. Tolerable.
The tank looks normal to me, not cursed at all
@@Eire_Aontaithe I think that it's cursed by the fact that it was actually better than many other tanks of its time.
the tank itself is normal, a project that was born from the zero and did great but sadly had a big downfall
Arabs missed an opportunity to bring Brazil to their enemies.
this tank was rather cursed bi politics :)
“You learn something new everyday”
-Some bloke I forgot
"The more you know🌟"
everyone
That's what I said
“I now know that I have memory issues.”
😆😆😆
I see the “You are going TO BRAZIL” meme now...
*Abrams screaming*
@Joe Blowe * angry american noises *
You think you're the best, right broken into
@@SgtZekeMitsubish ...what...?
@Alguém do século 20 Pqp em jovem, que vergonha vc representa na internet ...
Also important to register that the US is constantly working to not let the Brazilian industry to develop. I assume you would find it relatively easy to consider that it is not in the US best interest to compete with an influential Brazil.
Love from Brazil.
❤
No the US isn't. The US sometimes entirely forgets about Brazil. Brazil's problems are often internal corruption and poor reputation.
this is sad. I can't even imagine how furious & sad were the engineers of Engesa.
You beat the whole world, just so that they won't even recognize you, what a sad reality
@@KaoruSF i know right? They destroyed some brilliant engineers dream!
@@nadimakram106 _They needed them oil deals man_
Gotta love, how you guys just completely ignore the conclusion of this video..
@@Orcawhale1 & what's that?
Osório: *Cursed by government*
Like every other thing in Brazil to be honest. Fuck this country politics, only corrupt fucks and a woman that got the presidency to go on and make a speech about stocking wind, that is our political representation, for fuck sakes Brazil is a place that not even god feels sorry for.
@@rhazien2502 Unfortunately. Had everything to be a superpower: Massive population, strong army (9th world power by 2021), relatively rich overall economy (12th highest GDP, before the pandemic it was 10th or so), incredibly rich in natural resources, no major rivals, etc. But the government has proven to be amazingly good at taking this country's potential and throwing it out the window.
@@fspanzer1737 out of the windows of a plane might I add, Brazilian politics are so fucking corrupt. It fucking depresses me.
@@rhazien2502 Yeah dude your "FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING" leftism has ruined Brazil, that's how you talk? "For fuck sakes" "Fucking corrupt " why so many "fuck" and "fucking"? Are you mad buddy?
@@iurikk08 yes I am mad with Brazilian government, mainly because I live in this hell hole. Got a problem with me swearing?
The world:
"what? you want to build a tank? you know nothing about building tanks!"
Brazil:
"exactly, and that is our advantage"
Shame how this tank never went into production. it's history kinda reminds me of the Northrop f20.
Brazil is coming to you... in a modern MBT
A modern MBT that no one outside of Brazil has really heard of.
AHHH!!!
Indeed
I dont want to go to brazil
@@_gungrave_6802 Trust me, theres a lot of retards asking gaijin to put this and other Brazilian MBTs in the game because they think it's the greatest thing in the world. Their insistence is quite annoying sometimes. Look up for MB-3 Tamoyo, another very nice brazilian tank.
You forgot to mention that Saudi Arabia placed an initial bid to buy about ~300 Osorio tanks. However, Saudi Arabia went back on their word, purposely stalled on finalizing the contract with the tank manufacturer (leaving Engesa hanging in limbo), and then suddenly bought Abrams instead. International Politics probably played a huge role. Brazil was not as big as America in defense exports. And I doubt other major military exporters (Britain, France, Germany, etc) wanted to make room at the table for a new competitor. It would not surprise if some political shenanigans were going on behind the scenes to make sure Osorio was never ordered.
History has shown that the decision to buy gear in Saudi Arabia is mainly decided by the amount of money that is converted to all the nephews of the King.
The market is bullshit lol. Why buy what works best for your country when really you just need to please the Americans?
@@keithsimpson2685 to be fair the Americans also had alot more tanks made at the time and had a higher standard of quality due to already being tested and tried by America, it had a stronger and more resilient turbine engine albeit at the cost of higher fuel consumption(I dont think Saudi arabia minds that though), it also had alot more time and money put into its development. Saudi arabia buying the osorio would have been like buying a beta model which had never really been tested and was all good in theory. It proved well at the testing ground and did show promising results but, Saudi Arabia also had a sizable war debt to pay back to America so buying the Abram was likely very politically encouraged but wasn't necessarily the only reason the Abram was chosen.
Combine that with the fact that Iraq owed Engesa quite a bit of money for armored car contracts that were defaulted on after the Gulf War, that war is what ended them as a company.
AS Karl-Heinz Shreiber the German arms and contract lobbyist said in a Canadian interview: "If it's a billion dollar contract, it IS a POLITICAL DECISION. (He was the one that gave Prime Minister B. Mulroney a brown bag of cash and got nothing for it).
Brazil: *YOUR GOING TO BRAZIL!*
Abrams: AAAAAAAaAaAaaaa
@Joe Blowe but it didnt so guess that its not bad
This tank is absolutely beautiful and noones telling me otherwise.
I'm happy that some of them made it into a museum instead of them being scrapped. My country (Britain) has a habit for scrapping and shooting stuff up. There is a rare tortoise tank/spg used as a static target in Scotland.
For real? I thought they will appreciate the vehicle for involving in the demolition of bunkers or obstacles at the Siegfried Line.
@@nopurpose9113 Tortoise never saw service. There is A mild steel prototype in a museum, but the 2 other "surviving" examples of full-armor prototypes are range targets.
Isn't all of Scotland just one big range though?
@@smeghead765 Dude,
*DON'T*.
Yes, it is in the south now, because the armored vehicle training center was transferred from Rio de Janeiro to Santa Maria, here is the link, for you to see our other military vehicles. www.cibld.eb.mil.br/index.php/museu-blindado#ee-t1-os%C3%B3rio
*Now all of Brazil knows you're here*
Edit: I dont speak Portuguese
Sim
The beacons have been lit!
Pau no cu do sistema
os brasileiros são invocados em todos os vídeos que tem o título Brazil. Nós somos onipresentes no TH-cam. hahaha
Falou Brasil no título, você invocou o BR.
There is one of this tank in Brazilian South, where the picture in 7:28 was taken. I saw this tank back in 2012 in its old camouflage before it was painted like that. We were allowed to take pictures with it and I barely took a few because a didnt know the backstory of that, just by thinking I was inside of one of those and even got to see through the optics without knowing the backstory of it makes me feel dumb as hell.
The "S" in "Osório" is pronounced as a "Z". It is Portuguese, not Spanish.
Same thing on "ENGESA", it is a "Z" sound.
I will not correct you on "Conde de Linhares" pronunciation as I have no idea on where to start.
oloco ti vendo toda hora teu comentario nos video KKKKKKKKKKKK
In latin spanish the z s and c sounds the same
@FailZero ackstually is meshchi co🤓
He's not a native portuguese speaker, it's petty to correct him
A língua nativa dele não é Português....
Remember kids if you don't come to brazil, BRAZIL WILL COME FOR YOU
But now, IN A MBT
Abrams =leopard=Osorio
Sim,nós estamos vindo para você(Yes,we are coming for you)
@@eligebrown8998 ppl who cant stand a joke
@@LucasSoares-mh2nz wtf
Very interesting video! Very well done! Subbed 👍🙂
just know if you include the word brazilian on a video you'll get 50% more views
Please tell something about it in your channel Matsimus! It would be an honor for us Brazilians!
Do it for the kids!
Nice to see you here
I was about to say where's Matsimus. Mat can you make video and confirm this?
if I'm not mistaken, the US did not accept that a country that is not part of NATO would sell weapons to a NATO country (and what a Brazilian channel-Paulo Royal says)
Then explain it to me, why South Korean, Swedish, Israeli systems made it to NATO countries already? Heck, Embraer's military aircraft are present on European NATO skies, so please stop bullshit here
Brazil: sun, samba, carnival, football, bunch of zoophilia movies and an homemade tank which is better than Abrams.
What more could you want.
Simplesmente nada, melhor pais de todos
Can we give a second about how he presents the Coldest Water bottle in a way that actually explains what it does and actually makes at least some of us interested in it rather than just saying it in a haughty tone and drinking out of it?
It is still just a vacuum insulated bottle, also known as a thermos.
As Concerning as this , the "your're going to brazil" meme is now terryfying
(edit):I have to edit this comment because of one englishman who auto-corrected this comment with some 'kind words' he typed
take my like
@@HakimFinger1953 stfu
DeenNice nice pfp but shitty comment.
@@deennice6035 why? i just sai 'take my like' how is that offensive? or you just a big crybaby salt water bath tub filler?
@@peterni2234 Bro what did he do
The US tactics to implement an embargo on Brazilian military products has a long history, and it still happening to this day. My uncle worked as the main selling chief overseas for ENGESA in the 80's and for AVIBRAS in the 90's. He went to Saudi Arabia and Iraq during this period. He says the Osório MBT was the most beautiful and functional tank he had ever seen. As a vendor for these weapons he needed to know how to operate these tanks, not only Osório and cascavel but also competitor designs.
Our military industry has a lot of potential but the problem is in the development of very especific systems and parts which are not produced here, usually these companies relying on US parts to finish their products. And what happens is that the us does not provide such parts to stop or slow the development to prevent them from losing profit. It happened to Osório, laser guided missiles, cruise missiles, jet fighters and many other items.
this is maby why they bought the Gripen, still felt salty and knew the feeling of losing even tough you have the best to give
Actually we bought the gripen because SAAB was willing to change the development of the aircraft according to brazilian needs in fact a lot of the avionics and the HMD are brazilian, and we are building them here. And the Gripen F was mostly developed here, very useful in fact because we are also starting developing loyal wingman aircraft so a bi-seat fighter is very usefull as a herder aircraft.
Its not salty, better mobility, a better price, and better negotiations
Gripen was choosen because it was cheaper and SAAB offered to transfer the technology to brazilians, something BOEING couldn't do because of restrictions imposed bt the american congress. And also because the F-18 was far more expensive.
“But they chose the abrams instead” I can smell some US influence here ( wouldn’t be a surprise tho it’s Saudi Arabia)
Well it's kinda true, engesa was also making deals with iraq and they did even make a contract to sell the osorio to iraq, in the end it was kinda their own fault, because the deal with iraq turned out to be a scam and because of that they ended up with no money and no contract.
It was actually the opposite, the Saudis worked over the US. At the time the US refused to supply the Saudi's with a US standard M1A1. The proposed export version would have lacked the DU armor inserts as well as both the thermal imager and the position location reporting system. There are also claims that the AGT-1500 was to have its governor set at a performance level below that of the US version. Beyond that the US didn't want to equip its allies with the M829 APFSDS but instead with the less effective US copy of the German DM13 the XM827.
You know guys, the three of you are rigth about it.
It was a combination of those factors, and lack of Brazillian Army interest at hte time, that lead to the downfall of the Osório.
The Saudy government had even signed an agreement with Engesa to build a production line there, with the caviat that they would make 1 free Osório for Brazil for every 4 Saudy's completed.
But when they found about the Iraqui deal they backed out of the agreements, because they had a safety clause that restricted Osório's purchase from Saudy Arabia's enemies
And was Saddan Hussein's fault that Engesa went down: he had purchased some heavy equipment from them , never to pay them back.
That, plus the unrecovered development costs of the tank demolished the company.
Also have to factor in the fact that the Abrams is a modular vehicle.
@@jesseeades1434 Abrams was chosen due to politics. Many times nations settle for an inferior machine because they are getting kickbacks somewhere else. Same is happening with the lame duck F-35. Everyone knows the aircraft is bad, with just the stealth as its sole redeeming feature, and yet the US pushed the sales to boost american industry. And line the pockets of a few politicians...
Obligatory Gaijin pwease??
*Post-premiere comment:* _"even the most advanced military machines could still be bested by anyone with enough ingenuity."_
is going in my book of quotes I like.
It was already passed to the developers last year
@@lucasmaciel5488 hmm.. for what nation do you think? maybe a new one?
@@Bigma_Industries no, 100% to the US just like all the Merkava's
@@Bigma_Industries either the US or France. Most of our tanks are based on US designs (like the X2A1 or Tamoyo MBT) but our armored vehicles use a lot of french technology (like both the 90mm cannons and the 120mm of the Osorio)
That's too bad. I get that the snail wants full tech trees for nations well known for their native designs. But I really think doing a sort of combined region tech tree could bring a lot of really interesting vehicles to the game while filling out the trees. Only thing that might be a problem is low tier vehicles.
Sure it out performs the Abrahams but you didn't mention what the Osorio armor was. The Abrams has very thick chobam composite armor which is why it is seventy tons and offers pretty much the best crew protection of any tank. I'm certain the Osorio doesn't have chobam armor as it only weighs 45 tons. that was probably a bigger deciding factor on its adoption as crews of modern tanks take much longer to train and are therefore a bigger part of the investment of fielding a modern tank force. A loss of a fully trained crew is more expensive than replacing the tank.
You do'nt Lili Brasil
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Its fairly easy to build one or two prototypes which outperform in service models. Challenger an evolution of Chieftain with MBT-80 technology from the 1970's. By the time this Brazilian tank would have been in full production the Challenger 2 would have been entering service.
Brazil is a sleeping giant when it comes to weapons design. They have turned out some remarkable ideas.
And they have not ever lost a war!!!
@@robsondefreitasneves3251 Not that they have fought any of the major powers, other than in great alliances WWI & WWII. Which in itself speaks volumes. Well done Brazil.
@@gusgone4527 Not true, as a colony they rebuffed invasions by the Dutch and French, as a nation/empire they defeated attempts at sovereign annexation of Trinidad region (not the Island nation) by the British and the Amapa region of Brazil by France.
Iron,uranium,gold,silver,copper oil,Water,and 2/3 of the EUA in productive land that will fuel for many investment in weaponry and army power
This will decide next possible conflicts “Resources”
That was surprising!
Well, Brazil paid back in full, they chose the Gripen instead of F-16's or F-18's, being the Nordic fighter well suited to the long ranges and operational hardships of Brazil. Once again, the US options were no better than any other.
To make matters worse, the Gripen had the technological transfer agreement with it, while the US options had none. But that's another story..
Traduzindo nos compramos gripes e vamos fabrica gripens
@@binho4165" adicionando a tradução" ele se gaba por ter o melhor tecnologia em caças mas nos escolhemos o melhor caça não furtivo e o mais barato a longo prazo
@@higorjosedesantanadosreis3928 Ele sabe que o Gripen se sai melhor que o F-16 e o F-18 kksksksksk
I'm pretty sure that's because the F-16's and F-18's are going to retired soon and are out of date???
Also, it's kind of sad how people here are comparing the Gripen to the F-16 and F-18, considering that they're an entire generation apart. Not saying that the Gripen isn't good, it's fantastic, but it just seems like people are too quick to mock the American aircraft, not knowing how long they've been serving and that they're being retired soon, too. (Early 2030's)
Brazil probably didn't want just hand-me-downs and chose the Gripen, which they should've.
Congrats. You attempted to get a shiny tank and got some shiny planes. Now all you need to is use them to fix your shithole of a country. No? Yeah, figured you'd rather keep destroying the largest forest on Earth and polluting the largest river on Earth, with your side hobby of bulldozing slums for complexes that will never be completed
A good reason for its failure was Brazil also trading military vehicles with Iraq, which left the Saudis unsatisfied.
I like the way you advertise the product. keep it up mate :)
YOU ARE COMING TO BRAZIL
But what if I time traveled to before 1500 then no one would know that Brazil existed and your entire plan would collapse in on itself. I'm over thinking this even tho it is a joke.
**stays in malaysia** _No_
I’d stay here is Hawaii I think I like our coconuts and sweet hotels so I’ll stay here
I'm Malaysian
OR BRAZIL COMES TO YOU *rev tank engine*
Finally, I have achieved peace
R.I.P Man.
R.I.P MAN...
Hey guys i'm from Brazil Nice to see this tank here!!!
Heartfelt F. I am devastated for my Brazilian brothers, deserved better than this.
As an former Abrams commander, there are dozens of tanks that can outperform it. Russia also has turbine powered tanks. The Abrams is just impressive for what it is, a lumbering 72 ton DU-reinforced behemoth. The cold war Russian tanks are much more worrisome to fight because of their sheer numbers, low profiles and speed. Thanks for introducing me to a new and cool tank!
Interesting insight, thanks for sharing your POV.
I'd be interested in knowing which tank outperforms it in accuracy or shooting trials.
The turbine in the T80 was horribly unreliable, hence why it was replaced with a diesel. As far as I know, the Abrams is the only frontline MBT with a reliable turbine engine in it.
Abrams is faster than any Russian tank. With the engine governor removed it makes speeds of around 60 mph (97 km/h).
Osório's weight is 39 metric tonnes. it's lighter than t-72, and it has 4 members crew. Its armor must be thin as a foil.
*a lumbering 66.8 metric ton of DU-reinforced behemoth (also ERA and stuff)
When Brazil has had enough of your jokes
"now, who live in Brazil?"
Haha, if you don't want to come to Brazil, fine.
BRAZIL WILL GET TO YOU :)
Former Engesa engineer & product manager Reginaldo Bacchi (it might have been mr. Ricardo Furlan as well) said the cost of the project was nothing exorbitant at all, the company broke because of a LOT bad management.
Has a Brazilian I can say, worth it we did the best, but the world cut us, and yes we need this guy in world of wartanks and war thunder!
Brazil beating US
*engesa has left the chat*
:(((
Osorio to Abrams:
YOU ARE GOING TO BRAZIL
Abrams:
Noo I don't want to go to Brazi-
AAAAAAH
for all we know the armor was hollow aluminum
@@anotheralpharius2056 Bimetallic and composite armor.
@@bernardosantos6814 was it tested and did the tests show that it was made how they said
The Osorio is going to bring the Abrams to Brazil.
Great video. Very very interesting
I remember when I was a kid reading an interview on a military magazine here in Brazil talking about this event.
It was a long time ago, but if I'm not wrong, it seems like the buying country had to buy from other 2 or 3 countries because of contracts between the countries already agreeing about some parts of the total purchase.
I was in the brazilian army at the time that this tank was in trails for ours tank battalions the Tank was really good but the gorvement choose the cheaper option that Was to buy leopard 1 tanks from germany
So osarious don't exist anymore?
@@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222 não,não passou de protótipo infelizmente 😢
@@CaésarOntarq English please
@@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222 I said it was just a prototype, unfortunately....
@@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222 They do, but only two are still in the army and one has been fixed to at least move during a parade
as a Brazilian i loved to watch this, i knew the tank but never been aware of the fact it managed to beat the Abrams at some point. it's also nice to note we also have the EE-9 Cascavel and the EE-11 Urutu, two APCs with relatively big armament for their size. if i remember correctly, the Cascavel has a 95mm smoothbore gun, and the Urutu has a 40mm autocannon completed with a vertical stabilizer. we also have a few Leopards 2A4 and the Abrams itself
come to brazil pls 🦅
It beat the export abrams not the actual US abrams
@@burnttoaster6313 yes lol
Totally wrong, the cascavel has a 90mm Cannon, the urutu doesn't have any weapon since It is a transport vehicle, and Brazil don't have leopard 2s and Abrams, only leopard 1s and m60.
@@bussolini6307 wait really? oml thank you, my memory sucks 😂😂
No problem mate
Great documentary!
Thanks 👍
It kind of just sounds like the Osorio was made from a tailor made list of the best components from around the world. It doesn't sound very capable for mass production though! I think the Abrams is far from perfect but made for purpose with mass production and enough capability.
In the design of every combat vehicle, compromises are inevitable. I remember thinking to myself when I drew one of the very first M1s assigned to Europe, "Looks like they ran out of R&D money when they got to the Tank Commander's cupola." Any of you who actually crewed one of the original M1s knows exactly what I'm talking about. So the fact that some obscure company somewhere could one-off a better tank doesn't surprise me. Frankly, I saw several experimental models of the M1 that never made it into production but were significantly advanced over the model that eventually went to production.
Here's the bottom line: The full production model of the M1 tank was extremely effective against the enemy. More so than any other production model. And in the final analysis, if you don't care for the M1, all that really means is you never crewed an M60A3 or worse...the M60A1.
I think the curse of the Osorio was designing it for export first rather than domestic use. Combined with the multinational hodgepodge of components the tank was destined to be too expensive to operate long term. Had Brazil adopted the Osorio as their own MBT they would have a world class tank of their own that would have likely seen use by other similarly sized nations.
I think they designed it for export because
a: they didnt have the money to fund the enitre project by themselves
b: feel free to prove me wrong but for brazil, infantry support vehicles were much more useful than MBTs. Even those two completed prototypes were sitting at a garage until they were acutioned off.
@@allorfh2495 i agree. I just think that designing a vehicle entirely for export dooms it to failure because it will not have the same supply chain support. The best export vehicles have always been a main line vehicle that was stripped of bells and whistles and sold at a cheaper price. This is why the t72 sold so well and why the abrams and leopard are in the hands of so many countries.
@@christianwilson5956 Brazil went bankrupt in the 1980s, hyperinflation was common, things are changing, there is a program called "new armor" designed to replace Leopards 1A5. With the success of the Guarani 6X6 program, the military requested a new family of vehicles, MMBT, IFV, APC and engineering support vehicles, which share the same hull, KMW and BAE systems have already made a proposal to assist in the development of this new vehicle family, the tank will be an MMBT, like a CV90120 or an Ascod 2, due to the peculiarity of our geography it is difficult to move with 60/70 ton vehicles, the main objective is a 120mm cannon, excellent optics and FCS , and a maximum weight of 50 tonnes.
I believe Brazil's military simply doesn't use so many tanks also. Big heavy slow tanks are useless in the jungle, rivers and mountains of Brazil. I believe that's why their domestic military focused in high autonomy light aircraft (like the awesome Super Tucano) and missle lauchers (Astros II).
@@ppellacani Take a look at this video and see by yourself, we have a lot of flat plain. th-cam.com/video/bD71LRpJmp4/w-d-xo.html
There's a lot of other factors that are calculated into the category of "Best MBT" when a nation is choosing a new one. Some others would be the availability of parts (this is huge), ease of manufacturing (also big), and of course the overall cost (the bottom line). Brazil might have shot themselves in the foot by packing TOO much technology and high end gear into their tank. I dunno.
Good stuff though. Interesting video.
I can give some suggestions as to why the Abrams was picked over the Osorio , as a former tanker. 1 the cost of the Abrams also includes maint and refit. Also ease of replacement parts if you need a new turret you lift one out and socket in a new one in a few hours. m1a1 is a module design. 2.The Saudi government prob did a credit back ground on the Brazilian company and found them near bankrupt. 3. non stabilized gun mount on the Osorio. 4.crew survivability was taken into account when the m1 was designed ammo safety was a high priority. just a few thoughts .
On the money!
When you get fed up of "You're going to Brazil" memes and decide to go after the perpetrators. HUE HUE HUE
Hey Cone you should look into the MB-3 Tamoyo design sometime too or even the Cascavel armoured car
Nomes indígenas nos veículos fica foda bagarai
@@pedror598 vdd kkkkk
@@pedror598 real
I can’t complain, a different country learns from other people battles and experiences and turns that into a better tank
No one expects the quiet ones
This similar scenario to the one that happened with Canadian Avro Arrow CF-105 end result being companies going out of business. Simply they were too much of a competition to American arms business.
I think we missed something crucial, the tank's survivability. That thing played a big role in modern days, with Abrams and their known "safety features".
Imagine this tank being in War Thunder, with the size of that mantlet.
I would pay if I went to have it in my garage. and yes i'm brazilian
I would give my battlefield accounts for it
@@sr.guelis3751 which nation though? Obviously a premium but it doesn't really fit the American top tier very much. It's very Italian looking to me, personally.
@@ICCUWANSIUT It is because he is not American, he is Brazilian.
and my name is like this because it is the name of my channel and also because I am Brazilian and it for English would be more or less lets play.
When Brazil comes to you:
I notice there was no mention of the protection capabilities of this tank...the M1A2 we sold to them was top of the line in that department, even without the depleted uranium of the american versions
I'm just gonna point out that there is SO much more to a weapon system than just the performance of the system itself - especially more so the more modern and capable the system. There's expected manufacturing and support availability, there's fuel and supplies/replacement part efficiencies, there's transportation and logistics issues, and a thousand other factors. Sometimes a simpler, less "effective" weapon is better because of all of the other factors that surround it, like with the Sherman which was designed around fighting a war halfway around the world from it's production base. Sometimes the specific measured performance of the weapon in testing belies operational issues, like with so many Soviet MBTs, which had terrible sustained crew performance issues due to their cramped and constrained interiors. And sometimes the people with the most guns make the rules. People involved in a project will always find reasons why their project was superior. Sometimes they're right, and sometimes they're wrong. Tale as old as time.
Awesome video! Brazil passes unnoticed by most when it comes to technology. Little do they know that they've probably flown in brazilian airplanes, designed and built by Embraer, one of the best brands in the market. Also, the government owned company Embrapa developed, a few decades ago, a soil correction technology that allowed farmers to grow pretty much anything in acidic soils. The same technology is now being exported to Mozambique in order to help them in their development. Another good example is Weg, a brazilian company that produces and exports electric motors, generators, mechanical components and many others. Not to mention the newly inaugurated particle acelerator in Campinas, in the state of São Paulo and the first 100% brazilian satelite that went into orbit last week to patrol the Amazon. Great content!
cough cough - I was one of the techs who made the day/night sights for Challenger I & II - the sights were vastly improved by the selenium optics introduced in the later Challenger I (for testing) for refining for the 2. The tests included a static rig in a tower that we could view the occupants of passing cars on the motorway....this demo rig was a favourite of visitors/potential buyers. ~Trooper
I never comment but your Ad was just to well integrated 😂
This put an smile on my face
There are good military equipaments from Brazil: Osório Tank, Astros II rockets and the military airplane KC-390 Embraer.
Astros II is not that good.
No precision capabilities, just saturation.
@@Padtedesco He probably meant the Astros 2020
@@pedrolucan4006 The unfinished variant than. Let's see
@@Padtedesco what? Astros has other configs, search before saying incorrect things
@@Padtedesco and if hes job is to saturate, that is ok, because that hes job
As a tank enthusiast, I guess I am going to Brazil
Osório was too good for this world 😥🇧🇷
Me:sees title
My mind: they burn trees then natural tank traps
if ya ain't coming to Brazil...
*Brazil will come to you*
To paraphrase a comment on the TSR-2, tanks have four main attributes. Mobility, firepower, protection, and politics. The Osorio sadly only covered the first three.
maybe only mobility, it used crappy steel as armor
@@aelfwynn94 Was it intended to use that steel in production versions since presumably the tested ones were just prototypes?
@@Del_S no idea, but they didn't have much experience in armour department
Imagine not just beating the crap out of the competition but then going back and dragging a competitor to the finish because it wasn't enough of a challenge
DAYUM
6:47 Rappers Eminem was too afraid to battle
3:48 Lmao somebody is getting a reaming after stuffing that barrel in the ground.
The narrator :
...This allowed the tank accurately moving targets ...
Me : Reaming infertile sand/soil targets ony ?
RIP Engesa
you just summoned the brazilian legion by puting brazil on the title lol
Yes after week a month for waiting this brazil beat the abrams now I know thanks Mr cone ofacr
Yeah but Iraq was gonna buy the thing later on if the Saudis would have purchased them.
So essentially it's bad as your enemy is literally in a even playing field. And for a modern war this makes sure that a whole lot of people are gonna die.
Also the Gulf War would happen a few years later, so the Saudis jumped the biggest bullet.
I would like to see brazilian tanks like: Osório, cascavel, tamoyo and Guarani in war thunder...
Yep, maybe at world of tanks too.
Guarani would be useless, or just if you want to put a 2010s vehicle in 2.0-3.0
@@bernardosantos6814 tem um protótipo com um canhão de 105 ou 120mm não lembro qual
@@kauangarcia9236 Não encontrei nada na internet sobre, apenas umas especulações sobre um Guarani 8x8 com canhão 105mm, mas que não tem nada confirmado e nem protótipo. Se puder mandar um link agradeço.
@@bernardosantos6814 e que eu li um artigo já faz tempo, não tava lembrando direito ent deve estar no papel o projeto...
Everyone:
Brazil: Imma gonna destroy this man's whole career
Plot twist, they're talking about themselves
@@Zukefly That's insanely accurate tho
Your insane Cone of Arc !!
Thanks for sharing, now i know there is tank made from Brazil
it was a big project that was lost due to the failed government of brazil, there were other big tank projects of engesa that also did not have continuity
Unfortunately, yes, until we can find a fucking good government, maybe we can return to glory.
Ehh, You dont know that American and German have made a tank that can beat abram but it was cancelled, brazil is not the only country with economy problem
@@ahmadariqdarwish2042 are you talking of the mbt 70?
_Coe Erwin, tranquila?_
@@vinncentuntiedt5851 yah
As usual, deals below the table always undermine "fair" competitions
Under the table? The us refusing to arm the Saudis and the Saudis wanting a modular vehicle like the Abrams. Thats not quiet under the table.
@AKUJIRULE you do understand what a modular vehicle is right? Why buy something that's a little better but has 10 times the maintenence times. Engine out? Abrams thats about 8 hours, non modular vehicles will be a week in a shop designed for it. Thats the reason the Abrams is considered one of the most useful and best MBTs in the world.
@AKUJIRULE Better mileage, better gun...
@@jesseeades1434 In most trials the Abrams loses to the Leopard in this very thing. It's not a selling point for it over others.
@@Ragedaonenlonely and I never said it was. I said the modular capability of the Abrams was its selling point above the Osario.
the story i heard was that the USA threatened the arab emirates to force them to buy the M1A1.
thanks for the video