The aim of the verse was only "to tell people the power God and that he deserves worship" and it still is. The Quran is not a book of Science. It is a book of Signs.
*SUMMARY OF VIDEO* Bold Concordism - Scripture is actively speaking about scientific phenomena Modest Concordism - Scripture may not speak about it (scientific phenomena), but is _not explicitly against_ such phenomena Mohammad Hijab argues that taking the position of a modest concordist is a more justifiable position from a hermeneutical and exegetical perspective. Ayah being discussed: Surah Anbiya - Ayah 30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًۭا فَفَتَقْنَـٰهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ ٱلْمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ حَىٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ "Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" Some exegetes such as many of those among the salaf/medieval commentators interpret it as when the skies start raining. Thus, there are many interpretations that can be found from this ayah, and not just the reference to the Big Bang. Mohammad Hijab suggests taking a more reserved take on this rather than conforming with current physics/astronomy, as these fields are found to shift dynamically over time. One of such examples listed is that of Newtonian gravitation compared to Einsteinian gravitation. Therefore, to pin one interpretation of the ayah may not be wise, as future studies in cosmology may have another perspective. The other main point is that we should _not_ take these verses and try to make them match with current scientific theories and data. The problem with doing so is that it leads to more complicated issues further down when explaining other ayahs. By assuming the _only_ meaning of the ayah satisfies scientific data from the anti-Islamic apologetic perspective sounds like we are picking and choosing for this particular ambiguous case, but not for others. We know from the 7th ayah of Surah Imran that Allah reminds us that there are ayah that are muhkhamat and mutashabihat, so taking one position as the only interpretation is problematic. Next ayah briefly mentioned: Surah Dhariyat - Ayah 47 وَٱلسَّمَآءَ بَنَيْنَـٰهَا بِأَيْي۟دٍۢ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ "We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺." Some of the mufasireen such as Abdur Rahman ibn Zaid ibn Aslam and ibn Jawzi ddddo suggest that 'moosi3oon' refer to expanding. That being said, Mohammad Hijab notes that this can also refer to the other six samaa' and not necessarily our dunya. Essentially, Allah knows best if it is talking about the expanding universe. Ultimately, can Muslims believe in the Big Bang Theory? Mohammad Hijab sums it up and says that we can do so as long as we remember it is Allah who was the initiator, but taking a more a skeptical position can be preferred as we have to keep in mind that we are discussing an ambiguous verse open to multiple interpretations. And Allah knows best. Besides that, I really agree with the point Hijab made on dawah. I would say doing dawah through the 'scientific Quran' narrative does not help the new Muslims once they hear about counter points. With new Muslims, it may lead them to go back if that is what got them to Islam in the first place. Rather, taking an approach where we elucidate on the beauty of other aspects of Islam may be a more effective method and Allah knows best.
you'll be pleased(?) to know that the current big bang is not supported by evidence anymore as of about 3 days ago. Mid August 2022 for anyone reading this past a years time
True bro, I got conviction in Islam because of Zakir Naik's scientific miracle narratives but later got deeply troubled by scientific error narratives of atheists. Now I think Zakir Naik & likes to be most detrimental to my and many other's faith. They thought they are doing great service to Islam but it's actually a disservice.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
That word paradigm shift is something you learn in personal development. I learned that by watching Bob Proctor on youtube. Perhabs, he got that idea from him lol
Unfortunately alot of Muslims fell in this problem and I hope this wave meets its end, and personally idc if there are scientific miracles in the Qur'an or not, science is ever changing and always in constant evolution, but things like morality, essentialism and existentialism, questions that concern human existence, these questions cannot be answered by mere observations and experimentation, we r incapable of answering these questions objectively, that's why we need Islam to answer those questions and to govern us
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone! This is the end of the cult Islam
@@puzinthewise4854 lol, really dude? This is the most, the most, absurd way of arguing I've ever seen, here let me show u. Allah says in the Qur'an in Surat Maryam, Jesus said I am the slave of Allah and Allah said, in Surat kahf, and a warning to those who have said Allah has taken a son, how great it is what they have said, that say nothing but lies. So using ur method, Christianity is a false religion cuz Allah says in the Qur'an Jesus isn't his son And he has not taken a son, Jesus also said in the Bible, only the father knows the hour, I am gonna leave this one here
More the Son of Satan. Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
It's quite sad to see that we are exaggerating on scientific claims. It will only harm Muslims and reverts. The best policy is to give all available interpretations. I think we have enough solid claims that are provable and we don't need to increase the number of claims by exaggerating.
It will also cause doubt in the future when science changes. They will refer to Zakir Naik and they will refer the Muslims today who are saying that “the Qur’an says this is 100% scientific fact!”
@Joker Nothing will make sense to you until you make sense of your existance. When you conclude that there must be a Creator by necessity then anything is possible for that creator.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
The Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30). Following this big explosion, Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.
It's not science vs religion. I wanna be an engineer and I want to learn science to help people to fulfill my spiritual goals inshallah. Also good point in that one experment can destroy an entire theory.
True. What does science prove? The Scientific Method only proves something FALSE or NOT FALSE. Science never proves anything TRUE. Science explains what happens but it does not explain why it happens. Good luck with your engineering !
@Tim Cooker I didn't look into gradualism yet. But there is a vast majority of scientists that agree that evolution is a fact. It's more or less as well established als law of gravity. But more orthodox religious people don't want to accept is because it doesn't go well with the myths in their holy book.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
Brother thank you. I have basically left islam because the scientific miracles can be refuted. This will help me with my journey to find Allah. Hamza (don't know surname) also has a similar view regarding science in the quran. Inshallaah Allah will guide me.
Stay away from Islam. Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
@@puzinthewise4854 Please do not be insulting. Jesus also said to respect and not insult each other. The Bible was changed by man and therefore was no longer the word of God. All the prophets of Christianity maintained there was only one God and yet Christianity completely changed that idea. Furthermore, Christianity didn’t officially become Christianity until 300 years after Jesus’s ascension. There are plenty of indicators that refer to the concept that the trinity was a byproduct of not an inspiration from the ancient Egyptian religions. Some indicators include the crucifix method of death and the cross symbol which is strikingly similar to Anubis’s cross. Allah (God) and Islam is the true. By saying “Allah” is a liar, you cause self destruction because you’re basically saying from your perspective that Jesus is a liar. This is why it’s important to do the research and not be insulting. I very well could’ve just insulted you and your faith and be a child. Finally, Islam is true for many reasons. My favorite being the fulfilled prophecies that came true made by the prophet Muhammad that will not be found in any other religion. May the Lord guide you if you are sincere. Asalamo alykum
Different people can have different views, however, if you read the Quran (which claims that it's a book with all verses fully explained in detail) it's hard to get away from the fact that it states for example the well known creation myth that the Earth and sky was joined and then pulled apart in 21:30 (Sumerian mythology). This cannot be reconciled with any scientific views, because the Earth simply did not exist. In another verse, 2:29, Allah says that the made things on Earth and THEN turned to the heavens. Again, highly problematic because space and time started with the Big Bang, elements were created, galaxies and stars formed and then, finally, planets. All the classical tafsir scholars understood what the Quran was saying (that the Earth existed, and that Allah made things on Earth first), however, because today we know this is not the case, people re-interpret the verses (which Allah says not to do!).
@@theastronomer5800 My friend, you’ve answered your own question. Muhammad Hijab already answered this question in the video amongst many other other videos. It’s as you said: the interpretation matters. Having said that, the a Quranic verses you point out regarding the separation could very well be an indication of the Big Bang. Or it could mean something else entirely. The point is, we cannot say affirmatively that this was scientific physical reference as it could very well have a different meaning. You cannot use the Quran as a sole book of science because you can very well use these verses to prove or disprove the Islam. My ultimate point was, none of this makes Islam false. What makes Islam true however, are in the form of multiple proofs and evidences, not blind biased faith. Good day.
@@theastronomer5800 Please my friend, Ive seen you a lot of times. And yeah, your arguments are 99% are same. 1.Earth came before sky (which can be answered too that sky comes before earth, can be either of them. We dont know, since Thumma has different meanings.) 2. Quran copied sumerian myth. (Bro what, just because they sound the similar, doesnt mean quran copied it. You can see practicings in islam that look familiar to the other traditions, doesnt mean islam copies that.)
Salam Alykum Brother Mohammed, I have several objections to what you said in this video, however I will only address the most severe one in this comment, which is the following: Objection: Anyone who makes this claim @ (10:59) is completely wrong, I don't know how good your Arabic is, but if you are fluent in the language, you can easily deduce that this is simply the wrong interpretation. Arabic language rules doesn't allow you to say that. "موسعون" is an agent noun from the verb "أوسع" which means: causes to expand, so "موسعون" can only mean expanders. Another agent noun which is "واسعون" fits that description, and actually, the singular for it is "واسع" which is one of Allah beautiful names, and it means: The All-Encompassing, the Boundless. I am guessing - and only Allah knows - that whoever came up with this interpretation confused the two agent nouns because all the Arabic words mentioned above are derivations from the triliteral "وسع", and people who are not well-versed in the rules can easily make mistakes and share them as if they were true (like what you just did, you shared that piece of false information causally as if it's a stablished fact), thus we end up with these types of falsehoods. Rhetorical question: So what are you insinuating here? Do you think that we can simply swap meanings between words without any rules to govern that process? if you think "موسعون" can be used to mean "قادرون" or rather more accurately "واسعون", then why are there two different derivations to begin with? What you are insinuating is far more dangerous than what you are trying to prevent. If I take the content of your video seriously, then there is no truth or stability in Quran, just a bunch possible potential meanings that we can argue over. How can the Holy Quran be revealing if that's the case? You are afraid of what atheists might say, but this type of mentality is just helping them, and here is the proof of that. Proof: th-cam.com/video/xnJvuXpU6SU/w-d-xo.html Go to (07:36) he says " the original Arabic seems to describe the subject of the verse, the builder, rather than describe an action". Which is the falsehood that I mentioned above. In this case "واسعون" is the word that could describe the builder, but "موسعون" must describe an action done on something other than the subject, it doesn't even make sense to anyone who truly understands the language. As a general rule, agent nouns that come in the form of "فاعل " describe the subject himself, but agent nouns that come in the form of "مفعل" must indicate an action done by the subject on something else. you can apply this rule to many other similar words in the Quran. There is a difference between "صالح" and "مصلح", there is a difference between "فاسد" and "مفسد", and in that same way, there is a difference between "واسع" and "موسع". I know that this video was before you made yours, but your type of approach to the Quran is what fuels their arguments. Fluent Arabic speakers should know exactly what I am talking about, if you agree with me, like this comment so he can see it. I mean no disrespect, I just want the truth to be very clear from falsehood. And Allah Knows best, thanks.
Absolutely true. If you look at many astronomical theories of cosmology it is worse than greek mythology under the gloss technological terminology which are hollow outside of the mental realms of thought existence.
What the quran describes are natural phenomenons, which can be understood in different lights whether it's due to the language, placement of the verses, because of a hadith or the understanding of the time, this is such because the quran is a timeless miracle intended for mankind until the day of judgment. so based on this it is not speaking about a scientific theory or fact but rather describing a natural phenomenon. The ultimate meaning of ambiguous verses are only known by Allah, but we can still infere and benefit from them.
Some may reply observing natural phenomena is indeed science,so because of this there are "scientific" verses in the Quran.Observations made that Prophet Muhammad PBUH couldn't have made.
"كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما" = 1929 في حساب الجمل In the 1929 Hubble produced the fact of the universe expanding.. ممكن ان تكون في هذه الاية معنى الاتساع الكون وايضا ان تكون فيها معان اخرى لكل اجيال حسب قدر فهمهم والله اعلم
I want to make the claim that it is in reference to the origin of the universe. And the reason is that the remaining part of the ayah, it says "and we made all living things from water". Which I understand to be Allah telling us the origin of life to have come from water. And so Allah saying the origin of the universe is when God separated all the matter would be a natural beginning to the ayah. First the universe had an origin, then follows the origin of life after it. And although it's true that astronomy is volatile, there are some things that have fairly compelling and stable evidences now, such as a growing universe, indicating a more compact universe earlier, and that it was once very hot and dense for there to be the background radiation. But i see the point that other interpretations are also potentially true, as Allah also lets water rain down from the sky. There's so much to unpack from one ayah, a testament to Allah's knowledge of our future discoveries.
In many ancient legends you can see the separation of heaven and earth. -legend of pangu (ancient China) -legend of Gilgamesh (ancient Sumeria) -Greek mythology -Egyptian mythology As for all living beings created from water. A 4th century Syriac church father named Euphesis wrote that God created everything from the mixture of soil and water. Ancient Greek philosopher Thales said that everything (not only living things) created from water. Anaximator from ancient simple living beings formed from water and they evolved into large and complex beings.
so the big bang theory describes that in the beginning of our universe everything in it was in a single point of energy that exploded eventually leading to the universe. This theory makes no mention of how that initial energy came to be, in fact it just posits that initial point of energy was always there leaving an even bigger mystery. The verse in question actually gives an answer to that mystery stating thet heaven and the earth (meaning everything in creation) were gathered together then cleft asunder. Reading this to me its clearly still talking about the big bang and the origins of its initial singularity that has yet to be explained by science.
Your line of thinking has several issues. First, the Quran borrows from local man-made creation myths - in this case if you look into the Sumerian (and other regional) creation story that was popular at the time, you'll see it is found in 21:30: “Enlil, lord Nunamnir, the En, his utterance cannot be countered, separated Heaven from Earth, separated Earth from Heaven.” - Krebernik 1998, p. 321, n. 805. This verse (and the myth) are wrong because the Earth did not exist at the time of creation (not for another ~9 billion years) and you cannot separate the Earth from the havens as it is part of the heavens (sky/universe), so it is not correct to mention the Earth at t=0. The classical tafsirs scholars understood the verses exactly as the myth and argued that the Earth existed but it did not rain on it until it was separated. The Quran never mentions that everything was a point/singularity. As someone who has actually studied cosmology and who has worked alongside cosmologists, I have NEVER heard any scientist explain the Big Bang in such a way. And if it's "clearly" talking about the origins of the Big Bang singularity, why hasn't a single Muslim cosmologist ever bothered to write a research paper on this topic?! Just because we don't have all the answers to the origin of our universe (and remember that only 100 years ago we didn't know what the universe looked liked, how things formed, etc), does not mean that one should go to silly old myths!
@@naseemjest That is your interpretation. I can use such methods to show that many other silly myths are correct if I got so such extremes. Why however did the best Islamic scholars in the tafsirs explain the verse exactly as the myth does and said that it did not rain on the Earth until they were separated? Why didn't Allah simply say that everything started from a point - that would have been correct - why use a common myth? And then in 2:29 Allah says that he made the Earth and everything in it, and THEN went to work on the heavens. This is the wrong order... Should we believe other myths, does Zeus for example strike whomever he wills with his thunderbolts?
Very well put. I think I agree with you on every point. Caution over certainty; appreciate that science can and does evolve its models of reality. And that this is not contradicting the best ideas scientists offer today.
I actually agree with Mohammad Hijab in this instance. The Qur'aan cannot be viewed as a science textbook. The verses dealing with creation are clearly are a reflection of the glory of Allah[swt]. Orientalist will always use linguistic gymnastics as a way of seeding doubt in the minds of Muslims. I think the only person who explained how all the different verses fit together is Dr Maurice Bucaille. If we read the text of the Qur'aan in regards to the verse about the 'Big Bang', we can clearly infer that in the very distant past, the entire universe was one single entity. The Qur'aan does not tell us if the universe was in a hot super dense state or how the universe even came to be in this state. Could have this been the instant Allah[swt] created the universe or has the universe gone through many cycles of Big Bangs ? [Roger Penrose's idea]. I think these are things science cannot answer.
When I read the Quran, I see that it re-tells the Sumerian creation myth (Earth and sky being joined, and then pulled apart, as the god Enlil did). Another verse, 2:29, says that Allah made things on Earth and THEN turned to the heavens. This is not correct because space and time started with the Big Bang, elements were created over time, galaxies and stars formed and then, finally, planets. Why would the creator of the universe say something that sounds completely opposite to what actually happened? I have read Dr. Bucaille's little book. I find it very problematic because if you notice he almost never states what the actual science says (because then the Quran sounds very contradictory), doesn't give any references to scientific papers, and provided explanations that are as vague as the verses. For example, he mentions 21:33 and says that it talks about the motion of the Sun. The verse very clearly mentions the orbit of the Moon and Sun and also day and night. Since people at the time believed in the geocentric system, this is totally consistent with that. The 240,000,000 years orbit of the Sun has nothing to do with a day or night. Any honest scientific and rational person will point this out. Then he mentions the resting or settling place of the Sun - the Quran clearly talks of this, as the Sun setting in a muddy spring and several sahih hadiths have Muhammad explain that the Sun has a resting place and goes to prostrate under the throne of Allah. He never mentions these, why? Instead he mentions the solar apex which most people don't understand - it's not a place where the Sun can reach and rest at! have studied astrophysics for many years (PhD) and completely dismiss what he says, because he never explains the actual science nor does he give the Quranic or historical context to the verse (and Muslims often accuse others of taking the Quran out of context, but when one scientist does so then it's OK!?).
@@theastronomer5800 Hi I don't like being rude to people, but I really do think you are just wasting your time and my time. The Qur'aan is classical Arabic, the hardest language on the Earth. The Arabic language has been preserved so well because of the Qur'aan. Dictonaries and grammars were written over 1200 years of the language and the Qur'aan. You clearly have read nothing of what Dr Bucaille wrote.
@@sparephone8228 How are so you sure about that? I gave you examples of what he said in his book... so how can you say I read "nothing" of what he wrote?! I was very interested in what he had to say and I have read The Quran and Modern Science a while ago, you can find it here: adelhasanin.yolasite.com/resources/The%20Quran%20and%20Modern%20Science%20%28Dr.%20Maurice%20Bucaille%29.pdf I'll be happy to discuss the verses he mentions, especially ones that relate to astronomy. Yes, Arabic is super hard. This is what the best Islamic scholars have to say about 21:30 in the tafsir about the Earth being pulled from the sky (I hope they understood the hard Arabic): Ibn ‘Abbâs: (known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece) We did not send down to it a drop of rain or grow vegetation on the earth which were aligned with each other (then We parted them) and then separated them Al-Jalalayn: that the heavens and the earth were closed together and then We parted them, We made seven heavens and seven earths - or [it is meant] that the heaven was parted and began to rain Ibn Kathir: in the beginning they were all one piece, attached to one another and piled up on top of one another, then He separated them from one another... Then He caused rain to fall from the sky and vegetation to grow from the earth I would say that it's unfortunate that the Quran is revealed in the hardest language, since ~80% of Muslims are not native Arabic speakers, and even Arabic speakers have a hard time understanding it (at least that's what my Arabic speaking friends said). This makes it very hard for someone like me, who understand science, to think that it is from god, because I obviously do not know Arabic, and have to rely on translations by Islamic scholars. However, I would assume that they know classical Arabic very well and make accurate translations, no?
@@theastronomer5800 I still say you have read nothing of what Dr Bucaille wrote. To try and equate a Babilonian myth with what the Qur'aan states about the past state of the universe is a complete joke. What does it matter what Ibn Khathir or Imam Tabari wrote about these verses 1200 years ago? Its the Arabic language that matters. Even the companions[pbut] made it clear that as time moved forward, our understanding of the Qur'aan would increase. They knew fully that there were verses in the Qur'aan they did not understand.
If there's an interpretation agreed upon by the Salaf-as-Salih, why don't we just stick to that? And if there isn't, then just say Allahu'Alam and move on.
@@daniyalahmed687 I knew someone would misunderstand me. Did I say 'science knowledge'? I mean in the sense of Islamic knowledge. You put words into my mouth. In the case of ambiguous verses, there's no need for Science to be involved. You stick to how it was interpreted in the past and that's all, and if they didn't, then you say Allahu'Alam.
AL QURAN DOES HAVE MIRACULOUS INFORMATIONS....WHEN ALLAH SPEAKS ABOUT HIS CREATION THEN IT IS NORMAL THAT IT IS MIRACULOUS. WE SHOULD AVOID NEGATIVE MENTALITY TOWARDS MIRACLES OF THE QURAN.
@Joker The backbone is the word sulb in Arabic,it means loins.The word Rib in Arabic is tara'ib which means a pelvic arch only referring to women.William lane arabic to English lexicon is my course.Now to put the pieces together.The fluid is gushing bewteen Sulb(male) and tara'ib(female).
@Joker Testes and ovaries are formed in the abdomen of the fetus during the first weeks of pregnancy, before descending to their permanent place in the pelvis. Both are sustained by arteries originating between the backbone and the ribcage.
We must publicize externally our gratitude and devotion for the Necessary Being for all existence - Allah, the Creator God. In our struggle to do so, we find academically challenged devils who propose ridiculous postulations and flawed articulations that they may deflect the hearts of the believers away from the metaphysical realities that Islam coherently explains.
I disagree with Mr. Hijab on some points. When the Quran speaks about how Allah created the universe we should expect to see that in reality also. Otherwise there is no point of Allah mentioning that. The science shows us Gods work whereas the Quran is the word of God. And there cannot be any contradiction between them. The Quran confirms the science and not the other way round. The verse indeed does speak about Big Bang. Good job anyway brother Hijab.
we should but we shouldn't use it like "see science discovered it in 1929, edward hubble discovered while it was mentioned 14 centuries earlier..." that is wrong, using induction to prove certainty of the wahi/absolute truth is wrong on so many levels, tbh 50-80 years from now, it will create tons of problems... quranic truths > scientific truths, quranic truths=/=scientific truths, people should stop doing it, it will bring great damage to dawah in the long run.
No. This verse about Big Bang is Ambiguos. Pls Read Quran Chapter Ali imran verse 7. It is talking About ambiguos verses. It says only allah knows the actual interpretation.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
But the verses contradict what basic Big Bang says. The Earth did not exist (all of the tafsirs scholars talk about the Earth existing, as do the Sumerian myths which has exactly the same story of separation), and another verse says that Allah made the Earth and THEN turned to the sky, which is the wrong order. No scientist would think that the Quran "confirms" the science since what it clearly says simply is exactly opposite of what the science says.
@@theastronomer5800 "But the verses contradict what basic Big Bang says. The Earth did not exist (all of the tafsirs..............................................................................since what it clearly says simply is exactly opposite of what the science says." Know that science is not set in stone, its laws are not set in stone, it is inductive, its truths are at best provisional (check philosophy of science, metaphysics, ontology and epistemology ) means its laws (Check Time Crystals Created, Suspending Laws of Physics By Tia Ghose ), theories can take u turn anytime by having paradigm shift (check Robert Lanza Bio Centrism) there saying or claiming that the quran is wrong based on scientific/provisional truths is logically, rationally not a valid approach, hope this helps!
Why take the salaf definition when they had zero knowledge about the big bang? the verse is much closer to describe the big bang than rain/vegetation. Please do remember that the quran is sent for all the nations and all the times after the prophet of muhammed peace be upon him. taking the salif analogy for everything about the meaning of quran is a wrong limitation to our holy book.
Most of the salaf actually take some tafseers from the ( israelitis ) for example the ثم استوى الى السماء وهي دخان they took this verse from the israelitis , because they didnt know what space smoke was
@SapienceInstitute , has Brother Hijaab done a video on islams view on the 'Mesozoic Era', i.e. duriing the existence of dinasaurs and any commentary on that from an Islamic view
If what you are saying is true then why would any "sign" matter at all? After all any sign can be thought of as an interpretation which would eventually become obsolete..
he is merely saying that one should not label a quranic truth being scientific truth, for instance once upon a time cosmology main stream about universe was that of a steady state theory, while at that time and prior to that, quran stated beginning of the universe, creation of it, so imagine if you were in that time and you picking up a science fact of that day and proving it with glorious quran to an atheist or anybody, claiming see that's why islam is the truth etc then any reasonable person would have said back then, science states that the universe is eternal, so do you accept the God got it wrong here in the quran ? if your yardstick is science facts to prove truth of islam than why can't I use it to prove islam is a false, man made religion... etc etc this is the problem with making such arguments, wallahualam.
IMHO, a reasonable position would be to consider science "facts" as yet another reason besides other facts, reasons to prove truth of islam while at the same time having clear position that since science position can change. Since paradigm shift can happen thus it is reasonable that such facts may come and go over and over again but shouldn't be a problem for our belief in the truth of islam, like science fact A supports quran position, then paradigm shift or new evidence emerges thus science fact is deemed no longer valid, then again after some research and paradigm shift again science fact A becomes relevant. Take for example mind over matter debate, where in ancient greek (i guess) it was a mainstream belief, supported by then logical inquiry that mind is prerequisite for the existence of reality, matter etc. While later on with modern science matter took that position, that matter is pre requisite for the existence of reality including mind, now with quantum mechanics again the shift is taking place where it seems like mind is the pre requisite... and this can again be overturned in coming years, centuries, over and over again... Hope you are getting my point here...
@@ArshadAminEMAZ Please note that the Steady State model was something that was more "believe in" than being scientific fact, because we did not have the technology to determine/distinguish otherwise. It's kind of like the idea that the Earth must be at the center, because other ideas made less sense. Problem is, the Quran claims to have all verses fully explained in detail, but the Earth did not exist at the moment of creation, not even the elements from which it is made. It took about 9 billion years. In 2:29 the Quran says that Allah formed the Earth and things on it, and THEN he turned to the heavens - this is exactly the opposite order as first you make the heavens, elements, galaxies and stars and then you start to form planets. If you read the Sumerian creation myths (which were popular in the region), the god Enlil pulled the Earth and sky apart. If you read all the classical Islamic scholars in the tafsirs, they all say that the Earth existed (it didn't rain on it), was joined to the sky and god pulled them apart. Why is Allah re-stating incorrect myths, versus simply saying what happened - the universe started very small and expanded for thousand of thousand of thousands of years, and then the Sun and Earth formed. These are all common Arabic words found in the Quran.
@@theastronomer5800 "Please note that the Steady State model was something that was more "believe in" than being scientific fact, because we did not have the technology to determine/distinguish otherwise." dear not having technology doesn't mean one can't do scientific investigation using scientific method. It was quite an established theory based on available scientific data at the time, quran also say that (interpretation) soon we will show them our signs in the heavens and the earth.... making disbeliever confirm the truth of the quran; it just doesn't say that it explains every verse in detail, you can't cherry pick a certain verse to make a point against the quran rather you have to consider all of the glorious quran and authentic sunnah, then you will know that it doesn't say what you think it says in terms of ''fully explained''. Coming to Sumerian myths etc it doesn't matter, Egyptian language was a dead language back then, we came to know about the myths only after discovering Rosetta stone, even if somehow those myths were there, you need to do loads of stuff like proving with certainty, with verifiable evidence that the prophet pbuh copied from there... no one can do that. So simply claiming that x is copy of y because x is somewhat similar to y (i am sure Sumerian myths says a lot more stuff about creation) is a non sequitur, it logically doesn't follow. imho science can again jump back to somewhat steady state theory (this time using different data, theory, paradigm etc) unless a complete theory of everything is discovered, which is not possible although scientists can try, walllahualam.
@@theastronomer5800 Man dont be so Dumb,the word Thumma is translated as 'Moreover' not as 'then'. Even if you translate as 'then' the verse says Allah turned to the heavens which shows the heavens Already exists and God fashioned it in to 7 heavens. nothing is wrong with this. For instance, the Sumerians believed that a ‘primeval sea’ pre-dated the heavens and earth, seemingly existing since eternity. Moreover, the heavens and the earth are described as being together on some form of mountain. Lastly, the entire myth was plagued with various mentions of different demi-gods squabbling and fighting each other. Sumerian Mythology expert Samuel Noah Kramer, writes in ‘Sumerian Mythology’ (1944): “If now we sum up the cosmogonic or creation concepts of the Sumerians, evolved to explain the origin of the universe, they may be stated as follows: 1. First was the primeval sea. Nothing is said of its origin or birth, and it is not unlikely that the Sumerians conceived it as having existed eternally. 2. The primeval sea begot the cosmic mountain consisting of heaven and earth united. 3. Conceived as gods in human form, An (heaven) was the male and Ki (earth) was the female. From their union was begotten the air-god Enlil.” 4 Naturally, the Quran does not mention a pre-existing primeval sea, nor that the heavens and the earth were a mountain, nor the myriad other elements of the rather zany Sumerian creation myths. Drawing a link is therefore implausible, as it would require explaining why only one small part of the creation myth, which just happened to be correct, entered into the Arab milieu. It would also not explain why the Prophet Muhammadpbuh, who detested Arab Pagan mythology, would ever partake of such a creation myth. Finally, it fails to explain the specific and accurate language of the Quranic verse. Peace
. Ayaah 11/7. states that everything in the universe created by Allah from Alma’ which means emptiness. وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلاً وَلَئِن قُلْتَ إِنَّكُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِن بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَـذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ 11/7. He created the planets and the Earth in six days (6,000 years) and it is HIS universe on the hydrogen, to test you about who you are better of his actions. And if you say that: you are the ones who will be resurrected after death, be said that the infidels: that this is just magic (charms) are real. h. Ayaah 41/10 explains the beginning of creation is by placing Rawasia the various bar magnet. وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ 41/10. And HE make Rawasia on it, and bless it (the ionosphere) and define it (rotation) in four days (4000 years) in the same time for those who ask (researching). i. Ayaah 21/30 explains that with Rawasia like that then separate that emtiness referred to in Ayaah 11/7 earlier. Thus applies to the macro cosmos and micro cosmos as well as on. أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقاً فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاء كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ 21/30. What do not you pay attention to those who disbelieve the idea that the planets and the Earth was once a hunk (total vacuum)? Then we split apart the both, and We made every living from alma’ (hydrogen), do they not believe? j. Rawasia mentioned in Ayaah 41/10 then rotates thereby forming the positive pole and negative pole, while it also formed Mar’a surrounding Rawasia in each. That’s Hydrogen, consisting of a rotating bar magnet or Proton is covered by Mar’a or the so-called people by Electron and Positron. k. Because it Rawasia or Proton is spinning then Electron and positron also spinning. Electron is Mar’a who received negative magnetic induction from the negative pole of Proton, and the positron is a positively received. l. Alquran uses the term Mar’a is meant by Electron and Positron in Ayaah 87/3 to 87/5 which stated that the Mar’a fly floats left Hydrogen atom. The float was called with Neuterino. وَالَّذِي قَدَّرَ فَهَدَىوَالَّذِي أَخْرَجَ الْمَرْعَىفَجَعَلَهُ غُثَاء أَحْوَى 87/3. It is He who determines and guides. 87/4. And release Mar’a (from any space objects to be Nebula and Comet). 87/5. Then make it float and contains the records (record books). m. Mar’a that floated became the ionosphere layers of the planet, it is mentioned in Ayaah 21/32 as a layer of well-kept and maintain. وَجَعَلْنَا السَّمَاء سَقْفاً مَّحْفُوظاً وَهُمْ عَنْ آيَاتِهَا مُعْرِضُونَ 21/32. And made the air (atmosphere) is a layer that maintained (ionosphere), and they dilly-dally about our omens. n. Ayaah 54/50 states that Allah created all things, the large on space and the small on the atom, all the conditions set by the HIM, none can deny, and obstruct. This is parallel with Rawasia term consisting of a wide range of magnets and a variety of its magnetism. With that Rawasia fused the origin atomic formed atoms and molecules for all beings. وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ 54/50. And no order from us but one such as (speed) twinkling of an eye.
That's a good explanation... However there are some scientific discoveries that would never change even after 1000 years. For example, the earth is not flat but almost spherical.. So the interpretations of the past scholars who claimed earth to be flat can be rejected..... @Mohammed Hijab... Can u plz answer this?
Yes . Because you see even ibn hazm and ibn taymiyah said that quran is spherical according to quran. But quran doesn't say anything about shape. Quran Doesn't say whether it is perfect Elipsoid or Spherical. But ibn hazm and ibn thaymiyah said that shape of earth is spherical based on a verse which talks about day and night. This channel has uploaded that video. The Word Earth أرض is mentioned 461 times in quran. Depending on the Qur’anic context the meaning could be Earth or land. We know that earth is not flat. So we can deny it. Quran actually doesn't say what is the shape of the earth.
@Ghazi Akel no you're wrong. Newtonian physics was actually disproven by Einstein's theories. A lot is still applicable and valid but to say Einstein merely expanded upon Newtonian physics is wrong
@Ghazi Akel yeah I conceded that we use Newtonian equations in industry. I also conceded that Newtonian physics is still valid in a lot of modern cases. But to say "we derive Newtonian equations from Einstein's equations" is false
@@thehassammasood Hassam, have you studied General Relativity? I have. If you use the field tensor equation outside of a star for example you will end up with Del(Phi)= GM/r^2, or Laplacian(Phi)=4*pi*G*rho. Here is a page that shows you exactly how to get Newtonian equations from Einstein's field equations (in particular go to page 14): www.math.uchicago.edu/~may/VIGRE/VIGRE2010/REUPapers/Tolish.pdf Note what follows equation (6:13) "General relativity thus passes its most important test: in agreeing with Newtonian gravity, it agrees with centuries’ worth of experimental data." So, why do you say that it's false, again, have you studied relativity (if you have, you must have slept thought most of it!)?
well you said it yourself, "a theory based on a human and it’s lifecycle" so it is grounded with evidence. Your claim that the world has always existed needs an evidence, otherwise it is just simply a speculation.
@@annurialausy8577 The laws of nature that exists on earth does not exist outside of earth I.e procreation Look at the sun and the moon it don’t conceive. The sun rises when a day begins and sets when the day ends , the sun doesn’t cease to exist when setting!!
Brother.. Allah have said in the Quran that the truth will be reviled in time ie when we are becoming more knowledgeable, more scientific, more technology advanced… more use of our brain. All in the Quran can be explained scientifically.. the ones that we can’t explained yet is because we have not yet have the knowledge and technology capacity. But fear not.. Allah have demand from us to study and observe the universe and the truth of what is being said in the Quran shall be proven… Sad 38:88 وَلَتَعۡلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُۥ بَعۡدَ حِينٍۢ English - Sahih International And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time." English - Yusuf Ali "And ye shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while."
at 7:55 you mention one of the best cult lines in history "those who find contradictions are evil". Basically Islam teaches - DON'T question your god or mohammed. DON'T examine things. DON'T doubt! Accept EVERYTHING as truth because al lah says it is so. This is how cults work. This is why SOOOOO many are leaving Islam - because it is built on feelings and dictatorial demands - not on truth.
Oh dear Craig, if you are going to troll can you at least say something clever to keep it entertaining? If you make up a verse from the Quran that doesn’t exist that says something that is not remotely true, at least don’t leave a time stamp referencing what is said in the video. Doing that just makes you look dumb I guess it would be too much to ask of you to use accurate information or God forbid I ask you to look up the actual verse in the Quran to learn what it actually says or if I asked you to at least quote it properly and faithfully or even learn a real thing about what Islam actually teaches about the obligation on a Muslim to be continuously learning, pondering and thinking, or the Quran explicitly asking the reader not to follow the faith of their forefathers blindly and to use their intellect and examine the evidence or if I, God forbid, actually dared to ask you to obtain your information from credible sources before leaving such an ignorant comment. But I guess you are either the most boring troll I ever came across, or maybe this is who you really are and you probably would continue to refuse whatever doesn’t enforce what you already decided you want to believe Yawn 🥱
@@mohammedahmad8039 thanks for your reply. Due to suras in the quran it is almost impossible for a Mohammedan to question things that go against the plain teaching in the quran. I.e is the Earth resting on a Whale/Bull/dust? Does male ejaculated fluid originate from between the man's ribs and backbone? Question why and how revealed these. An illiterate man started being seized by a supernatural being. This man then started gaining power, prestige, followers, adoration and money. Which lead to greed, murder, hatred, lying, having sex slaves, selling slaves, killing nursing mothers, setting a man on fire (to find his treasure) etc. Now why would you believe or follow such a man?
@@isaiah68craig36 🛑 Note For the reader, this username, I am responding to, alongside few other usernames have been trolling few Muslim TH-cam channels so I am just playing along out of curiosity: if this person or people turn out to be genuinely ignorant, it’s an opportunity to educate them, and if they have malicious intentions it’s also an opportunity to educate them by showing them how misguided they are 🛑
@@isaiah68craig36 This is brilliant. Because you are giving me an opportunity to explain to you using your own most recent post what I have been saying all alone. So let’s go back to your other posts in the other thread (which is the Dan Gibson Petra nonsense that you claim is backed up by evidence). You remember how I tried to walk you through how faulty the logic you keep using and also remember when I tried to explain to you how resorting to cherry picking random unrelated things is not considered evidence particularly when you keep denying the existence of an overwhelming amount of information and counter evidence that discredit the point you are arguing? This is the same type of thing. If you make up false meanings for a verse from the Quran that Muslims generally do not believe, or manipulate the nuanced interpretation in order to inject your own misguided opinions of what that verse actually means, then that’s all on you and it only shows you are either too dumb or too lazy to even attempt to understand the perspective of Muslims. I assure you that by doing that you have not achieved a successful criticism of Islam or Muslims because only you and your group of people believe that Muslims believe this nonsense you keep posting. Both Muslims as well as non Muslims outside of your bubble have a totally different perspective. I personally just look at the arguments in your posts and say to myself: this person is either very ignorant, or a lying fraudster who is trying to spread falsehood and either way it doesn’t challenge what I believe, and rather it’s more reflective of your own character and ethical standards. Why are you people so allergic to objectivity and education? Why is it more comfortable for you to use lies? It’s at times when people like you bring up those arguments that I immediately suspect that you never read the Quran, and even on the remote possibility of you having actually read the Quran, then it’s demonstrable proof you didn’t bother carefully trying to understand it. So the most likely scenario is you obtained your false information from one of the many fraudsters who most likely only using the name of religion to play on people’s emotions because they are probably doing this for money (because I believe no ethical person who genuinely fears God would make up lies like that or try to spread falsehood in this manner). Surly you can redirect the effort you are putting in coming up with those lies and falsehood into genuinely and objectively intellectually engaging with those issues? I am not asking you to become Muslims because I don’t care what you believe, I just don’t understand how you can genuinely rationalize to yourself that you are somehow doing the right thing when you actively engage in such falsification of information. If you want to be critical of Islam, at least do it properly and from a position of knowledge. What do you have against education or properly trying to understand the issues you are trying to argue because making up lies and pretending they are true or telling other people and insisting they believe something that they don’t believe it just makes you all look either dumb or fraudulent. I have no doubt that there may be uneducated Muslims who could potentially believe wrong information or interpretations, but every religion has those. But it’s not a reason for either you or them not to seek further education and obtain proper knowledge because it’s all easily accessible.
I am a Muslim and I am interested in Scientific Arguments. Quran 21.30 does not talks about Big Bang. Because in another verse we read Heavens and the Earth was created in 6 days(not 24 hour earthly day). 21.30 says they were joined. Means they were created,joined and then seperated? In Big Bang it's opposite. Everything was one(joined), seperated (expanded),created. So is the Quran wrong? No lmao. Quran does not say it talks about Big Bang. Quran simply says Heavens and the Earth were joined together and then we Cloved them Asunder. We can maybe solve a "Science of the Universe Creation" problem using this verse. Nowhere is the Quran wrong,this was Dr Bucaille's and then Zakir Naik's claim. Still I can't directly say whether it's false or not because we can also say that They were created in a joined form.
The problem is, the verse says that the Earth existed and was separated from the sky. I see many people re-interpreting this verse, but the Earth of course did not exist at the beginning... If you read the tafsir scholars on this verse they make this very clear (they talk of not raining on the Earth, but it rained after they were separated): Ibn ‘Abbâs: We did not send down to it a drop of rain or grow vegetation on the earth which were aligned with each other (then We parted them) and then separated them Al-Jalalayn: that the heavens and the earth were closed together and then We parted them, We made seven heavens and seven earths - or [it is meant] that the heaven was parted and began to rain Ibn Kathir: in the beginning they were all one piece, attached to one another and piled up on top of one another In verse 2:29 you also see that the Earth was made first, and then Allah turned to the heavens, which makes no sense because space was made first, the elements, galaxies and stars, and then after all that (billions of years) planets could start forming.
@@theastronomer5800 Jalalayn clearly says in the last that "The Heaven was parted and began to rain". Same with Ibn Kathir. You are proving me right. Here you go,the claim that Earth was made before Heavens in Quran 2:29 is Debunked. th-cam.com/video/SJM5AhpmGvI/w-d-xo.html
*Summary of this Video* - Atheist beliefs have a chance to change in the next 50 years, understanding of Big Bang may have a huge change - Allah has told us that not every Quranic verse is understood by the humans, so the heavens and the earth being a joint entity which then opened out always has different opinions
Understanding of the Big Bang is not based on "(atheist) beliefs" though. It is based on scientific data such as the temperature of the CMB, the power spectrum fluctuations, Hubble's constant, redshifts, abundance of elements, etc.
21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Here is what the sahaba and early scholars said about this expression from tafsir al-Qurtoby: قال ابن عباس والحسن وعطاء والضحاك وقتادة : يعني أنها كانت شيئا واحدا ملتزقتين ففصل الله بينهما بالهواء Translation: Ibn 'Abbas, al-Hassan (al-Basry), 'Ata', a-Dhhak amd Qtadah said: this means they have been one unique (unified) thing and Allah has separated them with air.Read also in tafsir ibn Kathir. The Arabic word "ratq رتق" refers to unified corpus which is also referred as an assembly of many different particles. As you may read nobody said that this corpus was earth nor sky it was a one piece corpus of something we don't know about and with a kind of blow this piece was separated into the forms called earth's and sky's (whatever this may mean). After that a "fatq فتق " happened this is a separation which might be like a kind of explosion👍🏽
Dan gibbson is a well known alcoholic, he was probably drunk while doing that video, it's nearly impossible to get such a huge error while being sound.
@@schorpioen7466 writing books doesn't mean authentic and truth he got refuted already if he says Petra as Mecca then ask him why is mawra and safa isn't Thier and also Zamzam water is in Mecca.
@@zain_not_malik757 you dont need to ask him any question, if someone tries to create doubts, you can expel it by asking questions and giving answers, but this about petra was just foolish and deserves no attention in any way at all
If I'm nit mistaken, he made a video a while back stating that - He is now part of the "Sapiance Institute", and would adhere to their polictics - or smth like that...
The only book of God which says very close to bigbang is Rigveda Rigveda 10.129.3 Before this creation, everything was in dark like night and nothing was perceivable. Matter/ Energy or Nature was in its primordial or elementary form and restricted to a point compared to the infinite expanse of Ishwar. Then Ishwar created the impulse that transformed the Nature into the spatial world that we observe through His omnipotence.
Dear non-Muslims, why don’t you take the book and read it on your own to see if there’s something wrong. Put the Google and TH-cam aside and read as a normal books at least.
@@scooprammer5934 As salam alaikum, I am trying to help as many non muslims understand islam better, so feel free to contact me if you have any questions Discord: Isl#5092 Twitter: @Hratix2 If you dont have any of these social media you can reply to this comment and tell me what kind of social media you have
@@nephalemberis2455 ty very much for your kindness, but im quite critical of religion (no problem with the possibility of an entity external to our earth), i have read the bible which to me is clearly written by man from mans imagination and although ive read passages of quran its not fair to be critical without completely reading the quran. Anyway goodluck to you
When he uses this term "Medieval scholars" it kinda reminds me of Yasir Qadhi, I dont see it beffiting the Islamic heritage, this term is used by western historians to denote a certain era in western history which is usually looked down upon. I really do and truly hope that our brother Hijab is not being influenced by Yasir Qadhi because that would be sad.
This is the way I see it, since this video and channel would be targeting non Muslims I assume he’s using the word ‘Medieval’ so they would have an understanding of the time period he’s referring too.
Such interpretation is valid. Because big bang states that the whole universe was one mass called singularity. "Heaven and the earth" means the universe
universe was one has no Scientific application and separation is just bullshit also universe didn't existed at the time of the big bang or the earth. And last point you can add anything up and it is simple to make things up like clove them asunder as separation of electromagnetic and weak forces is completely bullshit and you are reinterpreting Quran and while Quran says the what was once one piece is separated.
I recommend Subboor TH-cam channel. There is a lot of content related to evolution and how it relates to Islam. I am sure you will find it very informative. The following is a playlist th-cam.com/play/PLufmopp748Z3xx6SSMaAyr7miFCICysyc.html
First of all, Qur'an is book of signs not science. Science doesn't confirm Qur'an. Qur'an confirm science if its true or not because science is not perfect by human being and also science changes every time. Qur'an is perfect. Qur'an is eternal word of Almighty God (Allah). Allah swt says in Qur'an (17:85) And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little.”
Quran is not perfect. If allah sent a complete book from heaven this would be perfect, the minute humans are involved in collating writing the quran there will be mistakes. The quran was written in a different arabic dialect to what mohammed spoke or the language the quran was 'revealed'. Withs mans involvement and written in a different dialect it will not be perfect
@@scooprammer5934 bruh you kidding me Yk what dialects even mean Allah sent down Gabriel(Jibreel A.S.) to give permission to Muhammad s.a.w. to let quran be written in 7 dialects And BTW idiot the perfect copy of Quran which was checked by prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Himself which he then gave to mother Hafsa R.A. Was propagated by the Khalif and companion Omar R.A.
@@scooprammer5934 No bro,I beg to differ. Qur'an was never meant to be preserved through writings. Qur'an was preserved through memorizing. Later on it was written by scribes and scribal errors happened naturally,but those were later on fixed when noticed by Muslim scholars,and they didn't even pay heed to those since Qur'an was revealed and meant to be preserved through memorizing.
I am not sure I fully understand your question. What do you mean when you say the Quran cherry picked from the Bible? But regardless what the answer is, when it comes to issues dealing with the Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, and how it relates to the Quran the person I felt helped me understand more about this particular point was Dr Ali Ataie. I hope you find the following lecture helpful th-cam.com/video/hfLJmJSrppY/w-d-xo.html Also I highly recommend the following playlist th-cam.com/play/PLLN02x1UwIfKuOd1659c9gliQJtz2NBZt.html
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God! Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right? But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death, because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66) Allah is a liar. Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion. Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran. Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
The aim of the verse was only "to tell people the power God and that he deserves worship" and it still is. The Quran is not a book of Science. It is a book of Signs.
Yes it is
It's a book of both
The Qur'an is primarily a book of guidance, whether that entails science or not.
Dr. Zakir Naik?
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Adding captions would be a good idea for layman and for those who have trouble hearing.
You can add caption option in youtube, it does it automatically for you.
@@monoth4555 unfortunately captions not availaible 🙂
@@jerrypeter7616 just tried, it works.
Not only for that but for country who first language is not english, so caption is really helpfull
@@bambangedir1815 I agree with you on that point
Great work! The verse of Surah Aal-i-Imran you quoted, is a key for all of us! May Allah SWT give you best reward here n hereafter, Ameen 🤲🏻
*SUMMARY OF VIDEO*
Bold Concordism
- Scripture is actively speaking about scientific phenomena
Modest Concordism
- Scripture may not speak about it (scientific phenomena), but is _not explicitly against_ such phenomena
Mohammad Hijab argues that taking the position of a modest concordist is a more justifiable position from a hermeneutical and exegetical perspective.
Ayah being discussed: Surah Anbiya - Ayah 30
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًۭا فَفَتَقْنَـٰهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ ٱلْمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ حَىٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
"Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
Some exegetes such as many of those among the salaf/medieval commentators interpret it as when the skies start raining. Thus, there are many interpretations that can be found from this ayah, and not just the reference to the Big Bang.
Mohammad Hijab suggests taking a more reserved take on this rather than conforming with current physics/astronomy, as these fields are found to shift dynamically over time. One of such examples listed is that of Newtonian gravitation compared to Einsteinian gravitation. Therefore, to pin one interpretation of the ayah may not be wise, as future studies in cosmology may have another perspective.
The other main point is that we should _not_ take these verses and try to make them match with current scientific theories and data. The problem with doing so is that it leads to more complicated issues further down when explaining other ayahs. By assuming the _only_ meaning of the ayah satisfies scientific data from the anti-Islamic apologetic perspective sounds like we are picking and choosing for this particular ambiguous case, but not for others.
We know from the 7th ayah of Surah Imran that Allah reminds us that there are ayah that are muhkhamat and mutashabihat, so taking one position as the only interpretation is problematic.
Next ayah briefly mentioned: Surah Dhariyat - Ayah 47
وَٱلسَّمَآءَ بَنَيْنَـٰهَا بِأَيْي۟دٍۢ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
"We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺."
Some of the mufasireen such as Abdur Rahman ibn Zaid ibn Aslam and ibn Jawzi ddddo suggest that 'moosi3oon' refer to expanding. That being said, Mohammad Hijab notes that this can also refer to the other six samaa' and not necessarily our dunya. Essentially, Allah knows best if it is talking about the expanding universe.
Ultimately, can Muslims believe in the Big Bang Theory? Mohammad Hijab sums it up and says that we can do so as long as we remember it is Allah who was the initiator, but taking a more a skeptical position can be preferred as we have to keep in mind that we are discussing an ambiguous verse open to multiple interpretations. And Allah knows best.
Besides that, I really agree with the point Hijab made on dawah. I would say doing dawah through the 'scientific Quran' narrative does not help the new Muslims once they hear about counter points. With new Muslims, it may lead them to go back if that is what got them to Islam in the first place. Rather, taking an approach where we elucidate on the beauty of other aspects of Islam may be a more effective method and Allah knows best.
Well said thank you!!! May Allah bless you
you'll be pleased(?) to know that the current big bang is not supported by evidence anymore as of about 3 days ago. Mid August 2022 for anyone reading this past a years time
So many confused “intellectuals” are going to argue now. Ultimate headache is coming.
It's just that we're skipping the basics of the religion (what bro Hijab just mentioned about firm and not trying to prove ourselves)
Love your work for to deal these questions, Jazak'Allah Brother Hijab
MH starts speaking .....me: *grabs a Dictionary *
For real
Big Bang is consistent with Qur'an. It doesn't necessarily mean Qur'an talks about Big Bang.
Love your new video akhi .May Allah reward you and keep you on the straith path
@@IshaaqNewton yes yes we agreed with newton
Interesting content brother, keep it coming insha’allah
How about noooooo?
@@dhc21atyahoo ???
True bro, I got conviction in Islam because of Zakir Naik's scientific miracle narratives but later got deeply troubled by scientific error narratives of atheists. Now I think Zakir Naik & likes to be most detrimental to my and many other's faith. They thought they are doing great service to Islam but it's actually a disservice.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
How plz elaborate
Are you stil Muslim
@@puzinthewise4854 huh what a weak and baseless argument
Good job brother. Keep up the good work. May Allah have mercy on you on Judgment day.
Brilliantly explained.
بارك الله فيك
I'd expected Hijab will say 'paradigm shift' in this video.
Was not disappointed.
That word paradigm shift is something you learn in personal development. I learned that by watching Bob Proctor on youtube. Perhabs, he got that idea from him lol
This was an eye opener really very helpful
Unfortunately alot of Muslims fell in this problem and I hope this wave meets its end, and personally idc if there are scientific miracles in the Qur'an or not, science is ever changing and always in constant evolution, but things like morality, essentialism and existentialism, questions that concern human existence, these questions cannot be answered by mere observations and experimentation, we r incapable of answering these questions objectively, that's why we need Islam to answer those questions and to govern us
Yeah. I think we have to share this video maximum. Many people think that There are scientific miracles in quran.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
This is the end of the cult Islam
@@puzinthewise4854 lol, really dude? This is the most, the most, absurd way of arguing I've ever seen, here let me show u. Allah says in the Qur'an in Surat Maryam, Jesus said I am the slave of Allah and Allah said, in Surat kahf, and a warning to those who have said Allah has taken a son, how great it is what they have said, that say nothing but lies. So using ur method, Christianity is a false religion cuz Allah says in the Qur'an Jesus isn't his son And he has not taken a son, Jesus also said in the Bible, only the father knows the hour, I am gonna leave this one here
Day, by day, our brother, looks like woverine haha
More the Son of Satan.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
@@puzinthewise4854 be gone idol worshiper. You who takes a created being as a God.
It's quite sad to see that we are exaggerating on scientific claims. It will only harm Muslims and reverts. The best policy is to give all available interpretations. I think we have enough solid claims that are provable and we don't need to increase the number of claims by exaggerating.
It will also cause doubt in the future when science changes. They will refer to Zakir Naik and they will refer the Muslims today who are saying that “the Qur’an says this is 100% scientific fact!”
@Joker Nothing will make sense to you until you make sense of your existance. When you conclude that there must be a Creator by necessity then anything is possible for that creator.
@Joker username checks out
@@mostaq9779 except for being able to become human or being able to procreate.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
The Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30). Following this big explosion, Allah "turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: 'Come together, willingly or unwillingly.
It's not science vs religion. I wanna be an engineer and I want to learn science to help people to fulfill my spiritual goals inshallah. Also good point in that one experment can destroy an entire theory.
insha'Allah
True. What does science prove? The Scientific Method only proves something FALSE or NOT FALSE. Science never proves anything TRUE. Science explains what happens but it does not explain why it happens.
Good luck with your engineering !
@Tim Cooker so why are most muslims against evolution theory?
@Tim Cooker I didn't look into gradualism yet. But there is a vast majority of scientists that agree that evolution is a fact. It's more or less as well established als law of gravity.
But more orthodox religious people don't want to accept is because it doesn't go well with the myths in their holy book.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
Love the content! SubhanAllah MashaAllah! Keep it up!
Jazakoom Allah khayr, this is actually a serious issue that a lot of Muslims are falling into specially Muslim astrologist
Brother thank you. I have basically left islam because the scientific miracles can be refuted. This will help me with my journey to find Allah. Hamza (don't know surname) also has a similar view regarding science in the quran. Inshallaah Allah will guide me.
Stay away from Islam.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
@@puzinthewise4854
Please do not be insulting. Jesus also said to respect and not insult each other. The Bible was changed by man and therefore was no longer the word of God. All the prophets of Christianity maintained there was only one God and yet Christianity completely changed that idea. Furthermore, Christianity didn’t officially become Christianity until 300 years after Jesus’s ascension. There are plenty of indicators that refer to the concept that the trinity was a byproduct of not an inspiration from the ancient Egyptian religions. Some indicators include the crucifix method of death and the cross symbol which is strikingly similar to Anubis’s cross.
Allah (God) and Islam is the true. By saying “Allah” is a liar, you cause self destruction because you’re basically saying from your perspective that Jesus is a liar. This is why it’s important to do the research and not be insulting. I very well could’ve just insulted you and your faith and be a child.
Finally, Islam is true for many reasons. My favorite being the fulfilled prophecies that came true made by the prophet Muhammad that will not be found in any other religion.
May the Lord guide you if you are sincere.
Asalamo alykum
Different people can have different views, however, if you read the Quran (which claims that it's a book with all verses fully explained in detail) it's hard to get away from the fact that it states for example the well known creation myth that the Earth and sky was joined and then pulled apart in 21:30 (Sumerian mythology). This cannot be reconciled with any scientific views, because the Earth simply did not exist. In another verse, 2:29, Allah says that the made things on Earth and THEN turned to the heavens. Again, highly problematic because space and time started with the Big Bang, elements were created, galaxies and stars formed and then, finally, planets.
All the classical tafsir scholars understood what the Quran was saying (that the Earth existed, and that Allah made things on Earth first), however, because today we know this is not the case, people re-interpret the verses (which Allah says not to do!).
@@theastronomer5800
My friend, you’ve answered your own question. Muhammad Hijab already answered this question in the video amongst many other other videos.
It’s as you said: the interpretation matters. Having said that, the a Quranic verses you point out regarding the separation could very well be an indication of the Big Bang. Or it could mean something else entirely. The point is, we cannot say affirmatively that this was scientific physical reference as it could very well have a different meaning. You cannot use the Quran as a sole book of science because you can very well use these verses to prove or disprove the Islam.
My ultimate point was, none of this makes Islam false. What makes Islam true however, are in the form of multiple proofs and evidences, not blind biased faith.
Good day.
@@theastronomer5800 Please my friend, Ive seen you a lot of times. And yeah, your arguments are 99% are same.
1.Earth came before sky (which can be answered too that sky comes before earth, can be either of them. We dont know, since Thumma has different meanings.)
2. Quran copied sumerian myth. (Bro what, just because they sound the similar, doesnt mean quran copied it. You can see practicings in islam that look familiar to the other traditions, doesnt mean islam copies that.)
Jazakum Allah
Salam Alykum Brother Mohammed, I have several objections to what you said in this video, however I will only address the most severe one in this comment, which is the following:
Objection:
Anyone who makes this claim @ (10:59) is completely wrong, I don't know how good your Arabic is, but if you are fluent in the language, you can easily deduce that this is simply the wrong interpretation. Arabic language rules doesn't allow you to say that. "موسعون" is an agent noun from the verb "أوسع" which means: causes to expand, so "موسعون" can only mean expanders. Another agent noun which is "واسعون" fits that description, and actually, the singular for it is "واسع" which is one of Allah beautiful names, and it means: The All-Encompassing, the Boundless. I am guessing - and only Allah knows - that whoever came up with this interpretation confused the two agent nouns because all the Arabic words mentioned above are derivations from the triliteral "وسع", and people who are not well-versed in the rules can easily make mistakes and share them as if they were true (like what you just did, you shared that piece of false information causally as if it's a stablished fact), thus we end up with these types of falsehoods.
Rhetorical question:
So what are you insinuating here? Do you think that we can simply swap meanings between words without any rules to govern that process? if you think "موسعون" can be used to mean "قادرون" or rather more accurately "واسعون", then why are there two different derivations to begin with? What you are insinuating is far more dangerous than what you are trying to prevent. If I take the content of your video seriously, then there is no truth or stability in Quran, just a bunch possible potential meanings that we can argue over. How can the Holy Quran be revealing if that's the case? You are afraid of what atheists might say, but this type of mentality is just helping them, and here is the proof of that.
Proof:
th-cam.com/video/xnJvuXpU6SU/w-d-xo.html
Go to (07:36) he says " the original Arabic seems to describe the subject of the verse, the builder, rather than describe an action". Which is the falsehood that I mentioned above. In this case "واسعون" is the word that could describe the builder, but "موسعون" must describe an action done on something other than the subject, it doesn't even make sense to anyone who truly understands the language. As a general rule, agent nouns that come in the form of "فاعل " describe the subject himself, but agent nouns that come in the form of "مفعل" must indicate an action done by the subject on something else. you can apply this rule to many other similar words in the Quran. There is a difference between "صالح" and "مصلح", there is a difference between "فاسد" and "مفسد", and in that same way, there is a difference between "واسع" and "موسع". I know that this video was before you made yours, but your type of approach to the Quran is what fuels their arguments.
Fluent Arabic speakers should know exactly what I am talking about, if you agree with me, like this comment so he can see it.
I mean no disrespect, I just want the truth to be very clear from falsehood. And Allah Knows best, thanks.
barakhallahoufik akhy
Please explain the multi layered approach in a future video. Thanks.
I think it just means: to obfuscate :)
@@schorpioen7466 to what?
Absolutely true. If you look at many astronomical theories of cosmology it is worse than greek mythology under the gloss technological terminology which are hollow outside of the mental realms of thought existence.
Hi. Friendly muslim here. Ask me any questions you have about Islam,i will try to answer them Inshallah.
You’re going to have a headache brother😂😂
. May Allah give you strength and patience.
Akhi r u qualified
Why should we believe Quran is the word of God?
@@mraristocrat5413 Read the Quran and you will understand, only if ALLAH chooses to give you hidayah
Akhi pls stat your qualifications I'm not trynna spam but u might mis inform someone
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
Jazakallah khairan! That's all we can do for you
Plz add english caption too
What the quran describes are natural phenomenons, which can be understood in different lights whether it's due to the language, placement of the verses, because of a hadith or the understanding of the time, this is such because the quran is a timeless miracle intended for mankind until the day of judgment. so based on this it is not speaking about a scientific theory or fact but rather describing a natural phenomenon. The ultimate meaning of ambiguous verses are only known by Allah, but we can still infere and benefit from them.
Some may reply observing natural phenomena is indeed science,so because of this there are "scientific" verses in the Quran.Observations made that Prophet Muhammad PBUH couldn't have made.
Well explained. Jazakallah khair
Aslamu alikum
Aleykum Salam wa rahmetullahi wa baraketuhu
2:52, herma what? And more complicated words.. ... I luv this Pai 😆what a role model Allahumma Barik💗. He's my older Brother
"كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما" = 1929 في حساب الجمل
In the 1929 Hubble produced the fact of the universe expanding..
ممكن ان تكون في هذه الاية معنى الاتساع الكون وايضا ان تكون فيها معان اخرى لكل اجيال حسب قدر فهمهم
والله اعلم
Allahu Akbar
I want to make the claim that it is in reference to the origin of the universe. And the reason is that the remaining part of the ayah, it says "and we made all living things from water". Which I understand to be Allah telling us the origin of life to have come from water. And so Allah saying the origin of the universe is when God separated all the matter would be a natural beginning to the ayah. First the universe had an origin, then follows the origin of life after it.
And although it's true that astronomy is volatile, there are some things that have fairly compelling and stable evidences now, such as a growing universe, indicating a more compact universe earlier, and that it was once very hot and dense for there to be the background radiation.
But i see the point that other interpretations are also potentially true, as Allah also lets water rain down from the sky. There's so much to unpack from one ayah, a testament to Allah's knowledge of our future discoveries.
In many ancient legends you can see the separation of heaven and earth.
-legend of pangu (ancient China)
-legend of Gilgamesh (ancient Sumeria)
-Greek mythology
-Egyptian mythology
As for all living beings created from water. A 4th century Syriac church father named Euphesis wrote that God created everything from the mixture of soil and water.
Ancient Greek philosopher Thales said that everything (not only living things) created from water.
Anaximator from ancient simple living beings formed from water and they evolved into large and complex beings.
so the big bang theory describes that in the beginning of our universe everything in it was in a single point of energy that exploded eventually leading to the universe. This theory makes no mention of how that initial energy came to be, in fact it just posits that initial point of energy was always there leaving an even bigger mystery. The verse in question actually gives an answer to that mystery stating thet heaven and the earth (meaning everything in creation) were gathered together then cleft asunder. Reading this to me its clearly still talking about the big bang and the origins of its initial singularity that has yet to be explained by science.
Your line of thinking has several issues. First, the Quran borrows from local man-made creation myths - in this case if you look into the Sumerian (and other regional) creation story that was popular at the time, you'll see it is found in 21:30:
“Enlil, lord Nunamnir, the En, his utterance cannot be countered, separated Heaven from Earth, separated Earth from Heaven.” - Krebernik 1998, p. 321, n. 805.
This verse (and the myth) are wrong because the Earth did not exist at the time of creation (not for another ~9 billion years) and you cannot separate the Earth from the havens as it is part of the heavens (sky/universe), so it is not correct to mention the Earth at t=0. The classical tafsirs scholars understood the verses exactly as the myth and argued that the Earth existed but it did not rain on it until it was separated. The Quran never mentions that everything was a point/singularity. As someone who has actually studied cosmology and who has worked alongside cosmologists, I have NEVER heard any scientist explain the Big Bang in such a way. And if it's "clearly" talking about the origins of the Big Bang singularity, why hasn't a single Muslim cosmologist ever bothered to write a research paper on this topic?!
Just because we don't have all the answers to the origin of our universe (and remember that only 100 years ago we didn't know what the universe looked liked, how things formed, etc), does not mean that one should go to silly old myths!
the verse is referring to what is Presently the Earth we are living on once was a singularity. The heavens and the Earth just means the universe
@@naseemjest That is your interpretation. I can use such methods to show that many other silly myths are correct if I got so such extremes. Why however did the best Islamic scholars in the tafsirs explain the verse exactly as the myth does and said that it did not rain on the Earth until they were separated? Why didn't Allah simply say that everything started from a point - that would have been correct - why use a common myth? And then in 2:29 Allah says that he made the Earth and everything in it, and THEN went to work on the heavens. This is the wrong order...
Should we believe other myths, does Zeus for example strike whomever he wills with his thunderbolts?
@@theastronomer5800 show me classical ijma on thia topicc please you troll .
Very well put. I think I agree with you on every point. Caution over certainty; appreciate that science can and does evolve its models of reality. And that this is not contradicting the best ideas scientists offer today.
Great work!
Mashallah.Good explanation bro.
The verse 21:30 was copied from the myth story (Epic of gilgamesh) which was written 2000bc.
Masha ALLAH!
I actually agree with Mohammad Hijab in this instance. The Qur'aan cannot be viewed as a science textbook. The verses dealing with creation are clearly are a reflection of the glory of Allah[swt]. Orientalist will always use linguistic gymnastics as a way of seeding doubt in the minds of Muslims. I think the only person who explained how all the different verses fit together is Dr Maurice Bucaille. If we read the text of the Qur'aan in regards to the verse about the 'Big Bang', we can clearly infer that in the very distant past, the entire universe was one single entity. The Qur'aan does not tell us if the universe was in a hot super dense state or how the universe even came to be in this state. Could have this been the instant Allah[swt] created the universe or has the universe gone through many cycles of Big Bangs ? [Roger Penrose's idea]. I think these are things science cannot answer.
When I read the Quran, I see that it re-tells the Sumerian creation myth (Earth and sky being joined, and then pulled apart, as the god Enlil did). Another verse, 2:29, says that Allah made things on Earth and THEN turned to the heavens. This is not correct because space and time started with the Big Bang, elements were created over time, galaxies and stars formed and then, finally, planets. Why would the creator of the universe say something that sounds completely opposite to what actually happened?
I have read Dr. Bucaille's little book. I find it very problematic because if you notice he almost never states what the actual science says (because then the Quran sounds very contradictory), doesn't give any references to scientific papers, and provided explanations that are as vague as the verses. For example, he mentions 21:33 and says that it talks about the motion of the Sun. The verse very clearly mentions the orbit of the Moon and Sun and also day and night. Since people at the time believed in the geocentric system, this is totally consistent with that. The 240,000,000 years orbit of the Sun has nothing to do with a day or night. Any honest scientific and rational person will point this out. Then he mentions the resting or settling place of the Sun - the Quran clearly talks of this, as the Sun setting in a muddy spring and several sahih hadiths have Muhammad explain that the Sun has a resting place and goes to prostrate under the throne of Allah. He never mentions these, why? Instead he mentions the solar apex which most people don't understand - it's not a place where the Sun can reach and rest at! have studied astrophysics for many years (PhD) and completely dismiss what he says, because he never explains the actual science nor does he give the Quranic or historical context to the verse (and Muslims often accuse others of taking the Quran out of context, but when one scientist does so then it's OK!?).
@@theastronomer5800 Hi I don't like being rude to people, but I really do think you are just wasting your time and my time. The Qur'aan is classical Arabic, the hardest language on the Earth. The Arabic language has been preserved so well because of the Qur'aan. Dictonaries and grammars were written over 1200 years of the language and the Qur'aan. You clearly have read nothing of what Dr Bucaille wrote.
@@sparephone8228 How are so you sure about that? I gave you examples of what he said in his book... so how can you say I read "nothing" of what he wrote?! I was very interested in what he had to say and I have read The Quran and Modern Science a while ago, you can find it here:
adelhasanin.yolasite.com/resources/The%20Quran%20and%20Modern%20Science%20%28Dr.%20Maurice%20Bucaille%29.pdf
I'll be happy to discuss the verses he mentions, especially ones that relate to astronomy.
Yes, Arabic is super hard. This is what the best Islamic scholars have to say about 21:30 in the tafsir about the Earth being pulled from the sky (I hope they understood the hard Arabic):
Ibn ‘Abbâs: (known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece) We did not send down to it a drop of rain or grow vegetation on the earth which were aligned with each other (then We parted them) and then separated them
Al-Jalalayn: that the heavens and the earth were closed together and then We parted them, We made seven heavens and seven earths - or [it is meant] that the heaven was parted and began to rain
Ibn Kathir: in the beginning they were all one piece, attached to one another and piled up on top of one another, then He separated them from one another... Then He caused rain to fall from the sky and vegetation to grow from the earth
I would say that it's unfortunate that the Quran is revealed in the hardest language, since ~80% of Muslims are not native Arabic speakers, and even Arabic speakers have a hard time understanding it (at least that's what my Arabic speaking friends said). This makes it very hard for someone like me, who understand science, to think that it is from god, because I obviously do not know Arabic, and have to rely on translations by Islamic scholars. However, I would assume that they know classical Arabic very well and make accurate translations, no?
@@theastronomer5800 I still say you have read nothing of what Dr Bucaille wrote. To try and equate a Babilonian myth with what the Qur'aan states about the past state of the universe is a complete joke. What does it matter what Ibn Khathir or Imam Tabari wrote about these verses 1200 years ago? Its the Arabic language that matters. Even the companions[pbut] made it clear that as time moved forward, our understanding of the Qur'aan would increase. They knew fully that there were verses in the Qur'aan they did not understand.
To me anymore who attributes Big Bang to Qur'an has UNMASKED himself. The Earth is FLAAAAAAT!
Dr Zakir Naik talks a lot about these scientific matters in the Quran
true that
Taqabbalallahu Minnaa Wa Minkum
wa aleikom Assalaam wa rahmatuLlah wa barakatuH
If there's an interpretation agreed upon by the Salaf-as-Salih, why don't we just stick to that? And if there isn't, then just say Allahu'Alam and move on.
Agreed
Disagree, we should strive for knowledge about the creation of Allah SWT
@@abdullahcomam Our knowledge should be based upon the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the Salaf-as-Salih.
@@xenomorphisisdilage472 Our science knowledge has to based on the salaf?
@@daniyalahmed687 I knew someone would misunderstand me. Did I say 'science knowledge'? I mean in the sense of Islamic knowledge. You put words into my mouth. In the case of ambiguous verses, there's no need for Science to be involved. You stick to how it was interpreted in the past and that's all, and if they didn't, then you say Allahu'Alam.
AL QURAN DOES HAVE MIRACULOUS INFORMATIONS....WHEN ALLAH SPEAKS ABOUT HIS CREATION THEN IT IS NORMAL THAT IT IS MIRACULOUS.
WE SHOULD AVOID NEGATIVE MENTALITY TOWARDS MIRACLES OF THE QURAN.
To summarize you are saying Quran encourages us to be ambiguity tolerant
The Quran is the only book that explains in details. ❤
Sure, it is the only book that is so hopelessly dumb on every page.
It would be good to add urdu subtitle.It'll help millions of muslim brothers and sisters living in an asian country.
what about embryology found in the quran, surely its safe to say that our understanding of that field in science wont be changing.
@Joker The backbone is the word sulb in Arabic,it means loins.The word Rib in Arabic is tara'ib which means a pelvic arch only referring to women.William lane arabic to English lexicon is my course.Now to put the pieces together.The fluid is gushing bewteen Sulb(male) and tara'ib(female).
@Joker where does the verse talk about semen??? Are you on drugs?
@Joker Testes and ovaries are formed in the abdomen of the fetus during the first weeks of pregnancy, before descending to their permanent place in the pelvis. Both are sustained by arteries originating between the backbone and the ribcage.
@Joker okay you're definitely on drugs.
@Joker you're really desperate. I feel bad for you.
i really need a dictionary when listening to hijaab
Right 😂😂😂
I dont mind that hajib uses complicated words but it would be nice if he gave a quick definition of the word
We must publicize externally our gratitude and devotion for the Necessary Being for all existence - Allah, the Creator God. In our struggle to do so, we find academically challenged devils who propose ridiculous postulations and flawed articulations that they may deflect the hearts of the believers away from the metaphysical realities that Islam coherently explains.
@Hamza Khan umm....?
SubahanAllah😇
12:11 "We have seen the evidence, authubillah"
Assalamu Alaikum, can someone give me a summary of this video?
Uuh very interesting topic.
Best way to convice a non muslim is to tell them about tawhid
Maybe and Maybe not because Tawhid means 'unification'. You know, like synthesis, many things into one.
Very important video
I understood this.
I disagree with Mr. Hijab on some points. When the Quran speaks about how Allah created the universe we should expect to see that in reality also. Otherwise there is no point of Allah mentioning that. The science shows us Gods work whereas the Quran is the word of God. And there cannot be any contradiction between them. The Quran confirms the science and not the other way round. The verse indeed does speak about Big Bang. Good job anyway brother Hijab.
we should but we shouldn't use it like "see science discovered it in 1929, edward hubble discovered while it was mentioned 14 centuries earlier..." that is wrong, using induction to prove certainty of the wahi/absolute truth is wrong on so many levels, tbh 50-80 years from now, it will create tons of problems... quranic truths > scientific truths, quranic truths=/=scientific truths, people should stop doing it, it will bring great damage to dawah in the long run.
No. This verse about Big Bang is Ambiguos. Pls Read Quran Chapter Ali imran verse 7. It is talking About ambiguos verses. It says only allah knows the actual interpretation.
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
But the verses contradict what basic Big Bang says. The Earth did not exist (all of the tafsirs scholars talk about the Earth existing, as do the Sumerian myths which has exactly the same story of separation), and another verse says that Allah made the Earth and THEN turned to the sky, which is the wrong order. No scientist would think that the Quran "confirms" the science since what it clearly says simply is exactly opposite of what the science says.
@@theastronomer5800 "But the verses contradict what basic Big Bang says. The Earth did not exist (all of the tafsirs..............................................................................since what it clearly says simply is exactly opposite of what the science says." Know that science is not set in stone, its laws are not set in stone, it is inductive, its truths are at best provisional (check philosophy of science, metaphysics, ontology and epistemology ) means its laws (Check Time Crystals Created, Suspending Laws of Physics
By Tia Ghose ), theories can take u turn anytime by having paradigm shift (check Robert Lanza Bio Centrism) there saying or claiming that the quran is wrong based on scientific/provisional truths is logically, rationally not a valid approach, hope this helps!
Why take the salaf definition when they had zero knowledge about the big bang? the verse is much closer to describe the big bang than rain/vegetation. Please do remember that the quran is sent for all the nations and all the times after the prophet of muhammed peace be upon him.
taking the salif analogy for everything about the meaning of quran is a wrong limitation to our holy book.
Most of the salaf actually take some tafseers from the ( israelitis ) for example the ثم استوى الى السماء وهي دخان they took this verse from the israelitis , because they didnt know what space smoke was
@SapienceInstitute ,
has Brother Hijaab done a video on islams view on the 'Mesozoic Era', i.e. duriing the existence of dinasaurs and any commentary on that from an Islamic view
If what you are saying is true then why would any "sign" matter at all? After all any sign can be thought of as an interpretation which would eventually become obsolete..
he is merely saying that one should not label a quranic truth being scientific truth, for instance once upon a time cosmology main stream about universe was that of a steady state theory, while at that time and prior to that, quran stated beginning of the universe, creation of it, so imagine if you were in that time and you picking up a science fact of that day and proving it with glorious quran to an atheist or anybody, claiming see that's why islam is the truth etc then any reasonable person would have said back then, science states that the universe is eternal, so do you accept the God got it wrong here in the quran ? if your yardstick is science facts to prove truth of islam than why can't I use it to prove islam is a false, man made religion... etc etc this is the problem with making such arguments, wallahualam.
IMHO, a reasonable position would be to consider science "facts" as yet another reason besides other facts, reasons to prove truth of islam while at the same time having clear position that since science position can change.
Since paradigm shift can happen thus it is reasonable that such facts may come and go over and over again but shouldn't be a problem for our belief in the truth of islam, like science fact A supports quran position, then paradigm shift or new evidence emerges thus science fact is deemed no longer valid, then again after some research and paradigm shift again science fact A becomes relevant.
Take for example mind over matter debate, where in ancient greek (i guess) it was a mainstream belief, supported by then logical inquiry that mind is prerequisite for the existence of reality, matter etc.
While later on with modern science matter took that position, that matter is pre requisite for the existence of reality including mind, now with quantum mechanics again the shift is taking place where it seems like mind is the pre requisite... and this can again be overturned in coming years, centuries, over and over again...
Hope you are getting my point here...
@@ArshadAminEMAZ Please note that the Steady State model was something that was more "believe in" than being scientific fact, because we did not have the technology to determine/distinguish otherwise. It's kind of like the idea that the Earth must be at the center, because other ideas made less sense.
Problem is, the Quran claims to have all verses fully explained in detail, but the Earth did not exist at the moment of creation, not even the elements from which it is made. It took about 9 billion years. In 2:29 the Quran says that Allah formed the Earth and things on it, and THEN he turned to the heavens - this is exactly the opposite order as first you make the heavens, elements, galaxies and stars and then you start to form planets.
If you read the Sumerian creation myths (which were popular in the region), the god Enlil pulled the Earth and sky apart. If you read all the classical Islamic scholars in the tafsirs, they all say that the Earth existed (it didn't rain on it), was joined to the sky and god pulled them apart.
Why is Allah re-stating incorrect myths, versus simply saying what happened - the universe started very small and expanded for thousand of thousand of thousands of years, and then the Sun and Earth formed. These are all common Arabic words found in the Quran.
@@theastronomer5800 "Please note that the Steady State model was something that was more "believe in" than being scientific fact, because we did not have the technology to determine/distinguish otherwise." dear not having technology doesn't mean one can't do scientific investigation using scientific method.
It was quite an established theory based on available scientific data at the time, quran also say that (interpretation) soon we will show them our signs in the heavens and the earth.... making disbeliever confirm the truth of the quran; it just doesn't say that it explains every verse in detail, you can't cherry pick a certain verse to make a point against the quran rather you have to consider all of the glorious quran and authentic sunnah, then you will know that it doesn't say what you think it says in terms of ''fully explained''.
Coming to Sumerian myths etc it doesn't matter, Egyptian language was a dead language back then, we came to know about the myths only after discovering Rosetta stone, even if somehow those myths were there, you need to do loads of stuff like proving with certainty, with verifiable evidence that the prophet pbuh copied from there... no one can do that.
So simply claiming that x is copy of y because x is somewhat similar to y (i am sure Sumerian myths says a lot more stuff about creation) is a non sequitur, it logically doesn't follow.
imho science can again jump back to somewhat steady state theory (this time using different data, theory, paradigm etc) unless a complete theory of everything is discovered, which is not possible although scientists can try, walllahualam.
@@theastronomer5800 Man dont be so Dumb,the word Thumma is translated as 'Moreover' not as 'then'. Even if you translate as 'then' the verse says Allah turned to the heavens which shows the heavens Already exists and God fashioned it in to 7 heavens. nothing is wrong with this.
For instance, the Sumerians believed that a ‘primeval sea’ pre-dated the heavens and earth, seemingly existing since eternity. Moreover, the heavens and the earth are described as being together on some form of mountain. Lastly, the entire myth was plagued with various mentions of different demi-gods squabbling and fighting each other. Sumerian Mythology expert Samuel Noah Kramer, writes in ‘Sumerian Mythology’ (1944):
“If now we sum up the cosmogonic or creation concepts of the Sumerians, evolved to explain the origin of the universe, they may be stated as follows:
1. First was the primeval sea. Nothing is said of its origin or birth, and it is not unlikely that the Sumerians conceived it as having existed eternally.
2. The primeval sea begot the cosmic mountain consisting of heaven and earth united.
3. Conceived as gods in human form, An (heaven) was the male and Ki (earth) was the female. From their union was begotten the air-god Enlil.” 4
Naturally, the Quran does not mention a pre-existing primeval sea, nor that the heavens and the earth were a mountain, nor the myriad other elements of the rather zany Sumerian creation myths. Drawing a link is therefore implausible, as it would require explaining why only one small part of the creation myth, which just happened to be correct, entered into the Arab milieu.
It would also not explain why the Prophet Muhammadpbuh, who detested Arab Pagan mythology, would ever partake of such a creation myth.
Finally, it fails to explain the specific and accurate language of the Quranic verse. Peace
. Ayaah 11/7. states that everything in the universe created by Allah from Alma’ which means emptiness.
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَق السَّمَاوَاتِ
وَالأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاء لِيَبْلُوَكُمْ أَيُّكُمْ أَحْسَنُ عَمَلاً
وَلَئِن قُلْتَ إِنَّكُم مَّبْعُوثُونَ مِن بَعْدِ الْمَوْتِ لَيَقُولَنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنْ هَـذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ
11/7. He created the planets and the Earth in six days (6,000 years) and it is HIS universe
on the hydrogen, to test you about who you are better of his actions. And if you say that:
you are the ones who will be resurrected after death, be said that the infidels:
that this is just magic (charms) are real.
h. Ayaah 41/10 explains the beginning of creation is by placing Rawasia the various bar magnet.
وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا
وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ
41/10. And HE make Rawasia on it, and bless it (the ionosphere) and define it (rotation)
in four days (4000 years) in the same time for those who ask (researching).
i. Ayaah 21/30 explains that with Rawasia like that then separate that emtiness referred to in Ayaah 11/7 earlier. Thus applies to the macro cosmos and micro cosmos as well as on.
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ
وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقاً فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاء كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
21/30. What do not you pay attention to those who disbelieve the idea that the planets
and the Earth was once a hunk (total vacuum)? Then we split apart the both,
and We made every living from alma’ (hydrogen), do they not believe?
j. Rawasia mentioned in Ayaah 41/10 then rotates thereby forming the positive pole and negative pole, while it also formed Mar’a surrounding Rawasia in each. That’s Hydrogen, consisting of a rotating bar magnet or Proton is covered by Mar’a or the so-called people by Electron and Positron.
k. Because it Rawasia or Proton is spinning then Electron and positron also spinning. Electron is Mar’a who received negative magnetic induction from the negative pole of Proton, and the positron is a positively received.
l. Alquran uses the term Mar’a is meant by Electron and Positron in Ayaah 87/3 to 87/5 which stated that the Mar’a fly floats left Hydrogen atom. The float was called with Neuterino.
وَالَّذِي قَدَّرَ فَهَدَىوَالَّذِي أَخْرَجَ الْمَرْعَىفَجَعَلَهُ غُثَاء أَحْوَى
87/3. It is He who determines and guides.
87/4. And release Mar’a (from any space objects to be Nebula and Comet).
87/5. Then make it float and contains the records (record books).
m. Mar’a that floated became the ionosphere layers of the planet, it is mentioned in Ayaah 21/32 as a layer of well-kept and maintain.
وَجَعَلْنَا السَّمَاء سَقْفاً مَّحْفُوظاً وَهُمْ عَنْ آيَاتِهَا مُعْرِضُونَ
21/32. And made the air (atmosphere) is a layer that maintained
(ionosphere), and they dilly-dally about our omens.
n. Ayaah 54/50 states that Allah created all things, the large on space and the small on the atom, all the conditions set by the HIM, none can deny, and obstruct. This is parallel with Rawasia term consisting of a wide range of magnets and a variety of its magnetism. With that Rawasia fused the origin atomic formed atoms and molecules for all beings.
وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ
54/50. And no order from us but one such as (speed) twinkling of an eye.
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Makes a lot of sense
The Quran is meant to be timeless, so arguments can be made for such verses in any context dont you think?
It assumes that we understand the Qur'an better than the sahaba, and also risks falling into 3:7 where we are following what's ambiguous.
Nice sweater bro mA
Very good points 👏
That's a good explanation... However there are some scientific discoveries that would never change even after 1000 years. For example, the earth is not flat but almost spherical.. So the interpretations of the past scholars who claimed earth to be flat can be rejected..... @Mohammed Hijab... Can u plz answer this?
Yes . Because you see even ibn hazm and ibn taymiyah said that quran is spherical according to quran. But quran doesn't say anything about shape. Quran Doesn't say whether it is perfect Elipsoid or Spherical. But ibn hazm and ibn thaymiyah said that shape of earth is spherical based on a verse which talks about day and night. This channel has uploaded that video. The Word Earth أرض is mentioned 461 times in quran. Depending on the Qur’anic context the meaning could be Earth or land. We know that earth is not flat. So we can deny it. Quran actually doesn't say what is the shape of the earth.
@Ghazi Akel no you're wrong. Newtonian physics was actually disproven by Einstein's theories. A lot is still applicable and valid but to say Einstein merely expanded upon Newtonian physics is wrong
@Ghazi Akel yeah I conceded that we use Newtonian equations in industry. I also conceded that Newtonian physics is still valid in a lot of modern cases. But to say "we derive Newtonian equations from Einstein's equations" is false
@Ghazi Akel maybe you are not well educated on the history and philosophy of science
@@thehassammasood Hassam, have you studied General Relativity? I have. If you use the field tensor equation outside of a star for example you will end up with Del(Phi)= GM/r^2, or Laplacian(Phi)=4*pi*G*rho. Here is a page that shows you exactly how to get Newtonian equations from Einstein's field equations (in particular go to page 14):
www.math.uchicago.edu/~may/VIGRE/VIGRE2010/REUPapers/Tolish.pdf
Note what follows equation (6:13) "General relativity thus passes its most important test: in agreeing with Newtonian gravity, it agrees with centuries’ worth of experimental data." So, why do you say that it's false, again, have you studied relativity (if you have, you must have slept thought most of it!)?
The world has always existed the theory that something has a beginning and must have an end is a theory based on a human and it’s lifecycle
well you said it yourself, "a theory based on a human and it’s lifecycle" so it is grounded with evidence. Your claim that the world has always existed needs an evidence, otherwise it is just simply a speculation.
@@annurialausy8577
The laws of nature that exists on earth does not exist outside of earth I.e procreation
Look at the sun and the moon it don’t conceive.
The sun rises when a day begins and sets when the day ends , the sun doesn’t cease to exist when setting!!
What if 1 is right and 9 are wrong?
Just beautiful
Brother.. Allah have said in the Quran that the truth will be reviled in time ie when we are becoming more knowledgeable, more scientific, more technology advanced… more use of our brain.
All in the Quran can be explained scientifically.. the ones that we can’t explained yet is because we have not yet have the knowledge and technology capacity. But fear not.. Allah have demand from us to study and observe the universe and the truth of what is being said in the Quran shall be proven…
Sad 38:88
وَلَتَعۡلَمُنَّ نَبَأَهُۥ بَعۡدَ حِينٍۢ
English - Sahih International
And you will surely know [the truth of] its information after a time."
English - Yusuf Ali
"And ye shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while."
at 7:55 you mention one of the best cult lines in history "those who find contradictions are evil". Basically Islam teaches - DON'T question your god or mohammed. DON'T examine things. DON'T doubt! Accept EVERYTHING as truth because al lah says it is so. This is how cults work. This is why SOOOOO many are leaving Islam - because it is built on feelings and dictatorial demands - not on truth.
And alot of people are joining it. It's their loss for leaving. Domt watch the video if you don't like it. Salam.
Oh dear Craig, if you are going to troll can you at least say something clever to keep it entertaining?
If you make up a verse from the Quran that doesn’t exist that says something that is not remotely true, at least don’t leave a time stamp referencing what is said in the video.
Doing that just makes you look dumb
I guess it would be too much to ask of you to use accurate information or God forbid I ask you to look up the actual verse in the Quran to learn what it actually says or if I asked you to at least quote it properly and faithfully or even learn a real thing about what Islam actually teaches about the obligation on a Muslim to be continuously learning, pondering and thinking, or the Quran explicitly asking the reader not to follow the faith of their forefathers blindly and to use their intellect and examine the evidence or if I, God forbid, actually dared to ask you to obtain your information from credible sources before leaving such an ignorant comment.
But I guess you are either the most boring troll I ever came across, or maybe this is who you really are and you probably would continue to refuse whatever doesn’t enforce what you already decided you want to believe
Yawn 🥱
@@mohammedahmad8039 thanks for your reply. Due to suras in the quran it is almost impossible for a Mohammedan to question things that go against the plain teaching in the quran. I.e is the Earth resting on a Whale/Bull/dust? Does male ejaculated fluid originate from between the man's ribs and backbone? Question why and how revealed these. An illiterate man started being seized by a supernatural being. This man then started gaining power, prestige, followers, adoration and money. Which lead to greed, murder, hatred, lying, having sex slaves, selling slaves, killing nursing mothers, setting a man on fire (to find his treasure) etc. Now why would you believe or follow such a man?
@@isaiah68craig36 🛑 Note For the reader, this username, I am responding to, alongside few other usernames have been trolling few Muslim TH-cam channels so I am just playing along out of curiosity: if this person or people turn out to be genuinely ignorant, it’s an opportunity to educate them, and if they have malicious intentions it’s also an opportunity to educate them by showing them how misguided they are 🛑
@@isaiah68craig36 This is brilliant. Because you are giving me an opportunity to explain to you using your own most recent post what I have been saying all alone.
So let’s go back to your other posts in the other thread (which is the Dan Gibson Petra nonsense that you claim is backed up by evidence). You remember how I tried to walk you through how faulty the logic you keep using and also remember when I tried to explain to you how resorting to cherry picking random unrelated things is not considered evidence particularly when you keep denying the existence of an overwhelming amount of information and counter evidence that discredit the point you are arguing?
This is the same type of thing. If you make up false meanings for a verse from the Quran that Muslims generally do not believe, or manipulate the nuanced interpretation in order to inject your own misguided opinions of what that verse actually means, then that’s all on you and it only shows you are either too dumb or too lazy to even attempt to understand the perspective of Muslims.
I assure you that by doing that you have not achieved a successful criticism of Islam or Muslims because only you and your group of people believe that Muslims believe this nonsense you keep posting. Both Muslims as well as non Muslims outside of your bubble have a totally different perspective. I personally just look at the arguments in your posts and say to myself: this person is either very ignorant, or a lying fraudster who is trying to spread falsehood and either way it doesn’t challenge what I believe, and rather it’s more reflective of your own character and ethical standards.
Why are you people so allergic to objectivity and education? Why is it more comfortable for you to use lies? It’s at times when people like you bring up those arguments that I immediately suspect that you never read the Quran, and even on the remote possibility of you having actually read the Quran, then it’s demonstrable proof you didn’t bother carefully trying to understand it. So the most likely scenario is you obtained your false information from one of the many fraudsters who most likely only using the name of religion to play on people’s emotions because they are probably doing this for money (because I believe no ethical person who genuinely fears God would make up lies like that or try to spread falsehood in this manner).
Surly you can redirect the effort you are putting in coming up with those lies and falsehood into genuinely and objectively intellectually engaging with those issues? I am not asking you to become Muslims because I don’t care what you believe, I just don’t understand how you can genuinely rationalize to yourself that you are somehow doing the right thing when you actively engage in such falsification of information. If you want to be critical of Islam, at least do it properly and from a position of knowledge. What do you have against education or properly trying to understand the issues you are trying to argue because making up lies and pretending they are true or telling other people and insisting they believe something that they don’t believe it just makes you all look either dumb or fraudulent.
I have no doubt that there may be uneducated Muslims who could potentially believe wrong information or interpretations, but every religion has those. But it’s not a reason for either you or them not to seek further education and obtain proper knowledge because it’s all easily accessible.
I am a Muslim and I am interested in Scientific Arguments.
Quran 21.30 does not talks about Big Bang.
Because in another verse we read Heavens and the Earth was created in 6 days(not 24 hour earthly day).
21.30 says they were joined.
Means they were created,joined and then seperated?
In Big Bang it's opposite.
Everything was one(joined), seperated (expanded),created.
So is the Quran wrong?
No lmao.
Quran does not say it talks about Big Bang.
Quran simply says Heavens and the Earth were joined together and then we Cloved them Asunder.
We can maybe solve a "Science of the Universe Creation" problem using this verse.
Nowhere is the Quran wrong,this was Dr Bucaille's and then Zakir Naik's claim.
Still I can't directly say whether it's false or not because we can also say that They were created in a joined form.
@ayadollar khomaini Who said Joined together means create???
Understandable
The problem is, the verse says that the Earth existed and was separated from the sky. I see many people re-interpreting this verse, but the Earth of course did not exist at the beginning... If you read the tafsir scholars on this verse they make this very clear (they talk of not raining on the Earth, but it rained after they were separated):
Ibn ‘Abbâs: We did not send down to it a drop of rain or grow vegetation on the earth which were aligned with each other (then We parted them) and then separated them
Al-Jalalayn: that the heavens and the earth were closed together and then We parted them, We made seven heavens and seven earths - or [it is meant] that the heaven was parted and began to rain
Ibn Kathir: in the beginning they were all one piece, attached to one another and piled up on top of one another
In verse 2:29 you also see that the Earth was made first, and then Allah turned to the heavens, which makes no sense because space was made first, the elements, galaxies and stars, and then after all that (billions of years) planets could start forming.
@@theastronomer5800 Jalalayn clearly says in the last that "The Heaven was parted and began to rain".
Same with Ibn Kathir.
You are proving me right.
Here you go,the claim that Earth was made before Heavens in Quran 2:29 is Debunked.
th-cam.com/video/SJM5AhpmGvI/w-d-xo.html
*Summary of this Video*
- Atheist beliefs have a chance to change in the next 50 years, understanding of Big Bang may have a huge change
- Allah has told us that not every Quranic verse is understood by the humans, so the heavens and the earth being a joint entity which then opened out always has different opinions
Understanding of the Big Bang is not based on "(atheist) beliefs" though. It is based on scientific data such as the temperature of the CMB, the power spectrum fluctuations, Hubble's constant, redshifts, abundance of elements, etc.
21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Here is what the sahaba and early scholars said about this expression from tafsir al-Qurtoby:
قال ابن عباس والحسن وعطاء والضحاك وقتادة : يعني أنها كانت شيئا واحدا ملتزقتين ففصل الله بينهما بالهواء
Translation: Ibn 'Abbas, al-Hassan (al-Basry), 'Ata', a-Dhhak amd Qtadah said: this means they have been one unique (unified) thing and Allah has separated them with air.Read also in tafsir ibn Kathir.
The Arabic word "ratq رتق" refers to unified corpus which is also referred as an assembly of many different particles. As you may read nobody said that this corpus was earth nor sky it was a one piece corpus of something we don't know about and with a kind of blow this piece was separated into the forms called earth's and sky's (whatever this may mean).
After that a "fatq فتق " happened this is a separation which might be like a kind of explosion👍🏽
Plz sir make a video on Dan Gibson's thesis..sir he said that our qibla is in Petra not in Makkah....sir plz make a video on it....
Dan gibbson is a well known alcoholic, he was probably drunk while doing that video, it's nearly impossible to get such a huge error while being sound.
@@ciismanakh9707 he wrote a book about it as far as i know
@@schorpioen7466 I never read the book I only saw a video about it on youtube long ago, couldn't take one orientalist serious after that.
@@schorpioen7466 writing books doesn't mean authentic and truth he got refuted already if he says Petra as Mecca then ask him why is mawra and safa isn't Thier and also Zamzam water is in Mecca.
@@zain_not_malik757 you dont need to ask him any question, if someone tries to create doubts, you can expel it by asking questions and giving answers, but this about petra was just foolish and deserves no attention in any way at all
Captions please 🤲🏼
Why are you uploading in other channels?
I wouldn't have found this video if I wasn't subscribed AND using mobile app.
If I'm nit mistaken, he made a video a while back stating that - He is now part of the "Sapiance Institute", and would adhere to their polictics - or smth like that...
@@jonnav3107 I see, thanks for explaining.
Does it matter
The only book of God which says very close to bigbang is Rigveda
Rigveda 10.129.3
Before this creation, everything was in dark like night and nothing was perceivable. Matter/ Energy or Nature was in its primordial or elementary form and restricted to a point compared to the infinite expanse of Ishwar. Then Ishwar created the impulse that transformed the Nature into the spatial world that we observe through His omnipotence.
It's not related big bang brother you have to understand big bang there are more than 100 scientific error in vedas.
Read the book written by max muller who done the great work on veda.
Did Hijab say that he will tell us what the Quran means and not what the Quran text says? Is Hijab being ambiguous?
It's funny how only a Muslim knows what the Quran "means", any well educated person who reads it, but is not Muslim, cannot understand it, lol.
Good video
أنت من تعز ؟؟؟
ياليت تجاوب
Are you from Taizz??
Hiaakom Alaah
Brilliant
Dear non-Muslims, why don’t you take the book and read it on your own to see if there’s something wrong. Put the Google and TH-cam aside and read as a normal books at least.
As non Muslim that is very sound advice
@@scooprammer5934 Alhamdhulillah brother/sister. May Allah guide you.
@@scooprammer5934 As salam alaikum, I am trying to help as many non muslims understand islam better, so feel free to contact me if you have any questions
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If you dont have any of these social media you can reply to this comment and tell me what kind of social media you have
@@nephalemberis2455 ty very much for your kindness, but im quite critical of religion (no problem with the possibility of an entity external to our earth), i have read the bible which to me is clearly written by man from mans imagination and although ive read passages of quran its not fair to be critical without completely reading the quran. Anyway goodluck to you
@@scooprammer5934 No problem! Feel free to contact me at any time if you wanted to ask anything about the quran tho, Good luck!
When he uses this term "Medieval scholars" it kinda reminds me of Yasir Qadhi, I dont see it beffiting the Islamic heritage, this term is used by western historians to denote a certain era in western history which is usually looked down upon.
I really do and truly hope that our brother Hijab is not being influenced by Yasir Qadhi because that would be sad.
This is the way I see it, since this video and channel would be targeting non Muslims I assume he’s using the word ‘Medieval’ so they would have an understanding of the time period he’s referring too.
@@yasirdaniel9165 there is no "medieval" in Islamic history. We do have Golden age. Let's not fall into the ignorant non muslim narrative propaganda.
@@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651 Yeah you're right, to be honest. Jazak Allah Khayran akhi.
@@yasirdaniel9165 Alhamdulillah. May Allaah guide us always. Amin.
Well said 👍
Separating heaven (SKY) and earth has noting to do with big bang
Such interpretation is valid. Because big bang states that the whole universe was one mass called singularity. "Heaven and the earth" means the universe
WALAIKUMASSALAM WA RAHMATULLAH
Very balanced
Make a video about Alif Lam Meem
Yes In Sha Allah. Brother Mohammad Hijab should go for it.
You need a dictionary with you when you listening to hijab
Lol I once watched a video of him and at the end of the video, I found myself listed 32 unfamiliar words
@@hanadikadayunan5648 I had 60+ once haha, but well I’m not a native english speaker
Not really
@@hanadikadayunan5648 God blessed him with good speaking skills.. He's very eloquent in his speech.
Hamza tzortzis is even more
the Big Bang followed by water and creation also makes perfect sense.
universe was one has no Scientific application and separation is just bullshit also universe didn't existed at the time of the big bang or the earth. And last point you can add anything up and it is simple to make things up like clove them asunder as separation of electromagnetic and weak forces is completely bullshit and you are reinterpreting Quran and while Quran says the what was once one piece is separated.
@@Zero-xz2dn it just gets messier and messier no one explained it well only allah swt knows
plz make a video on evolution & Islam
I recommend Subboor TH-cam channel. There is a lot of content related to evolution and how it relates to Islam. I am sure you will find it very informative. The following is a playlist th-cam.com/play/PLufmopp748Z3xx6SSMaAyr7miFCICysyc.html
@@mohammedahmad8039 thank uu very much bro💖
@@jishanzaman3421 The Sapient institute also made a lecture on evolution here is the link th-cam.com/video/GTYQShozr2c/w-d-xo.html
@@mohammedahmad8039 thanks Again bro..may Allah bless you❤️
First of all, Qur'an is book of signs not science. Science doesn't confirm Qur'an. Qur'an confirm science if its true or not because science is not perfect by human being and also science changes every time. Qur'an is perfect. Qur'an is eternal word of Almighty God (Allah).
Allah swt says in Qur'an (17:85) And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little.”
@Joker Bruh watch Zakir naik’s video of Quran and science compatible or incompatible and you’ll see for yourself
@Joker obviously, its not a science journal. BTW the quranic claims ultimately turns out to be scientifically backed up. Do your research bruv
Quran is not perfect. If allah sent a complete book from heaven this would be perfect, the minute humans are involved in collating writing the quran there will be mistakes. The quran was written in a different arabic dialect to what mohammed spoke or the language the quran was 'revealed'. Withs mans involvement and written in a different dialect it will not be perfect
@@scooprammer5934 bruh you kidding me
Yk what dialects even mean
Allah sent down Gabriel(Jibreel A.S.) to give permission to Muhammad s.a.w. to let quran be written in 7 dialects
And BTW idiot the perfect copy of Quran which was checked by prophet Muhammad S.A.W. Himself which he then gave to mother Hafsa R.A. Was propagated by the Khalif and companion Omar R.A.
@@scooprammer5934 No bro,I beg to differ. Qur'an was never meant to be preserved through writings. Qur'an was preserved through memorizing. Later on it was written by scribes and scribal errors happened naturally,but those were later on fixed when noticed by Muslim scholars,and they didn't even pay heed to those since Qur'an was revealed and meant to be preserved through memorizing.
Assalamoalikum
My question is why Quran cherry picked from bible the name of Muhammad saw in quran 61:6 and 7:157?
I am not sure I fully understand your question. What do you mean when you say the Quran cherry picked from the Bible?
But regardless what the answer is, when it comes to issues dealing with the Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, and how it relates to the Quran the person I felt helped me understand more about this particular point was Dr Ali Ataie.
I hope you find the following lecture helpful th-cam.com/video/hfLJmJSrppY/w-d-xo.html
Also I highly recommend the following playlist th-cam.com/play/PLLN02x1UwIfKuOd1659c9gliQJtz2NBZt.html
@@mohammedahmad8039
Ok jazak Allah
Allah testifies... Jesus is the Son of God!
Allah claims that Jesus is not the Son of God. Right?
But Allah claims to save Jesus who was sentence to death,
because Jesus testified that he is the Son of God.(Matthew 26:63-66)
Allah is a liar.
Allah: By Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God. And i saved him from the crucifixion.
Muslim: But why was Jesus sentenced to death, Allah? It's not written in the Quran.
Allah: Because Jesus testified that he was the Son of God! Leave me alone!
@@puzinthewise4854 Why are you copying and pasting the same thing under multiple videos and multiple threads?
@@puzinthewise4854 I recommend you watch the following video that addresses your claims about scripture th-cam.com/video/nM7L909sgQI/w-d-xo.html
Amazing
21:30 can refer to ordovician period
What a man