Phil wouldn't have to worry about developing carpal tunnel syndrome from extensive piano practice. Any physical damage his body suffers would be undone by the following time loop. So he could actually spend four or more hours per day practicing the piano. Or any new skill fr that matter.
I wonder if his muscle memory gets reset too? I'd think that would make it harder to learn a new skill. Impossible to learn some skills well I'd imagine.
Zazz Razzamatazz I think that muscle memory is less important than actual memory. It also wouldn’t take long to make your body catch up with your mind. But I’m not an expert.
He learns a whole new language, learns to flawlessly play piano and master ice sculpting during the loop. He was easily there AT LEAST 50 years. It takes someone at least 10 years to master just one thing, so it doesn’t exactly take a rocket scientist to work out he’s stuck in the loop for an obscene number of decades.
I was going to say this exact thing. The only down side is your muscles won't grow so you can't get any stronger, so you're stuck with the body you have now. I wonder if that impacts ones ability to learn something like the piano, since while you're gaining the knowledge, your hands aren't building up the muscles necessary for rapid key strokes. Imagine learning to play the guitar, but without the benefit of callouses that eventually make playing less painful to your fingertips.
@@skipbellon4342 eh we dont know the condition of phils wrists and hands. it is possible to hurt himself but it just wouldnt be permanent if he was on the cusp of inflamation or injury every day he woke up.
Most of learning guitar is “muscle memory” which would not happen if he resets physically. Thins whole exercise falls under the category of “shut up and enjoy the movie”.
Personally, I've always believed it to be centuries. I suppose it just seems more poetic that way. But whatever the answer, it's great that so many years later we are still talking about this wonderful film. Definitely Harold Ramis' and Bill Murray's finest hour, alongside the original Ghostbusters. But as many times as I've seen the movie, I'm always more intrigued about the bartender at the hotel. Seems like the dude might know a bit more than he's letting on?
I agree. I always felt as though it was a couple of centuries too, maybe 3. It just seemed right somehow. It's always fascinating to theorize on though.
The older black guy? What made you think that about him? He had almost no dialogue besides "what can I get you?" and "for you, miss?, and him looking at people then shaking his head (he did the shaking head thing 3 times, 1) early on when Phil says "can I have another one, with some alcohol in it this time?", 2) when Phil says to Rita "let's drink to world peace", and 3) when Larry was unsuccessfully trying to pick up Nancy).
Are suggesting he’s the magical mystical negro stereotype? Lol. He just seemed like a professional of his craft who’s lived a life and has people skills.
The math here doesn't make sense. You don't think he could practice throwing the playing cards AND go to see the movie on the same day? Why add them together as separate ledgers?
"Carpal tunnel"? But didn't his body reset each day? He drove off a cliff, was shot, was stabbed, electrocuted... As always thank you so very much for the wonderful video.
That’s what I was thinking... still, it’s a partially valid point, it would become either uncomfortable or impractical to continue after several hours.
Yeh but I don't think you could get any repetitive stress injury in one day. The muscles might start to hurt as they're not used to doing so much work but that's not the same as repetitive stress, an hour of rest/ learning French or any of the other things he learned and his hands would be ready to carry on.
STAGE III: Spent Learning: You cannot imply that repetitive motion (carpal tunnel) would affect Phil's ability to play the piano every day. Since Phil seems to only carry the knowledge of the previous experiences in other Groundhog Days and not his injuries. If that were the case, Phil would eventually wake up to pass away from old age over and over again. (That would be a cool horror movie.)
Carpal tunnel isn't an issue when you're stuck in literally the same 24 hour span repeatedly as each day resets your body back to it's original condition that you started the loop in. Thus, he could study and play piano for 40 years, playing 2 to 3 hours a day, and it wouldn't affect him in the next loop. Additionally, when it comes to the Chiropractor bit, what's to say that he didn't just play around and get lucky when cracking the guy's back? He may not have studied at all and just found through trial and error how to not paralyze Felix.
The questions I always had were "Did he rob the armored car on the day he broke the spell?" and "Does he maintain that level of insurance going forward?"
good points! Or did he have to be fully reformed in order for the curse to end? I like your premise, though: What if he robbed the armored car on the "last" day, woke up finally to a NEW day, only to go to prison!
@@trunkskoolkid they specifically avoided putting a reason in the movie because it doesn’t matter. The studio demanded they had a reason and wanted them to film something, but They never wanted it in the story, hence why it isn’t.
I thought I heard Danny Rubin (the person who actually wrote Groundhogs Day) say it was his original concept that he spend thousands of years reliving that one day.
Thank you. I was so mad of their assumption that he does only one thing a day. Like learning piano for 4 hours and then just fucks off and waits for the next day?
He could multi-task... But it's more believable that he merely focused on one thing until he mastered it before moving on to the next thing. He wasn't acquiring these skills for personal achievement. He was trying to get laid. He would learn a skill, try to impress the chick, fail, then learn another skill in hopes of impressing chick.
I think the general idea the film established was that he tried one thing to impress Rita and then moved on when it didn’t work, with that in mind, I don’t think it’s likely that he’d be trying to learn several things at once.
@Apple Pi Sounds actually possible. But even if he is always only "learning" one thing at once, he would do it for more than 4 hours a day, and he can learn said thing and still get familiar with his surrounding and the people of the town in the same day
@@CheerioCheerio Exactly, either learning multiple things a day, or spending 16 hours on a single thing. The day stacking just for the sake of it is hilarious here.
He can do more than one thing in a day - Sure but he'd also be losing time every day because of being in the time loop. Having to go through the same introductory conversation to get a piano lesson, ditch work, convince someone to let him carve an iceblock with their chainsaw. He'd learn lots of ways around it but it would still be having an effect on how much time he can spend on what he wants to do.
I don´t think he required to learn the WHOLE stuff about carving ice or playing the piano. All he needed was to do one or two things extremely good. It is easier to play one song than to do a whole repertoire. Besides he was repeating every day so it was more like a trial and error to get things done instead of learning the whole skill.
He basically does everything he can, basically becoming a doctor, at least that was what I thought was implied. That would take an incredibly long time.
We really only saw Phil trying to save the old homeless man twice. The first time when he brings him to the hospital and the nurse said he just passed away. The second time when he finds him earlier, gets him a full meal at the diner, and then tries but fails to revive him in the alley
2:15 38 days shown on screen. 4:29 352 days to learn a lot. 7:40 7,935 days to learn useful skills. 12:47 12,395 days to get all of that done, or about 34 years.
He had to be in there long enough to, not only learn about everyone in the town, but long enough to commit all that information to memory. Likewise it had to be long enough for him to become so utterly bored with his immortality that he tried to kill himself in a variety of ways. He also had to have his conversation with Rita so many times that he has every step of the conversation down pat. On top of all that, he had to spend enough time developing and maintaining his skills. Conservatively I would say that he was in that day loop for hundreds of years.
I wonder if he caught the child falling out of a tree, or saved that bloke from choking every day, or whether he sometimes just let them die because he had other things to do.
I ran into Harold Ramis in the La Guardia American Airlines Club in 1994. We had mutual friends and had a delightful 4-hour conversation. He was in NYC scouting locations for his upcoming picture with "Billy Crystal and Bobby DeNiro" ("Analyze This"). During the conversation, I asked him The Question- "How long was Phil Conners trapped on Groundhog Day?" His answer? "56 years". From the writer's mouth.
You mentioned carpal tunnel. That wouldn't be an issue, as Phil is physically reset after each day, meaning he could learn piano every day. Of course, this also raises the question of muscle memory. Could you learn a physical skill like piano without the ability to build muscle memory.
According to the altered carbon world yes. But as a former croupier Ill tell you there is more to muscle memory than just the brain. Cutting and playing with chips takes quite a toll on you hands and when I try to do it now my hands hurt a lot where when I was doing it a lot, they didn't. Piano playing takes insane finger strength.
“Muscle memory” is really a misnomer for building the automatic response at a mental level, though of course that involves training the nervous system. I’d argue that he carries that portion of his being across each day. The mind/body separation needs be drawn somewhere in this story, since the “mind” still has roots in physical being. Aside from piano, many of his other skills/experiences require the same development in order to be justifiable within the rules of that universe. I definitely agree with you that he wouldn’t sustain any overuse injuries, and could practice for 12 hours a day if he likes without any physical ramifications. As a pianist, I also contend that with cognizance of proper playing technique, risk for overuse injuries for extended sessions are at a minimum.
In 2008, while in Iraq, our team watched and did an estimate of years spent…I came up with 30-35 and everyone thought I was nuts. So I’m happy to hear that Harold Ramos and you guys agree with me lol
I am curious about who or what in the story is responsible for the time loop. My theory is that a very bored Q like entity wanted to see him suffer for it's entertainment. When Phil starts changing into a decent person, the entity's interest begins to wane. When Phil get's the happy ending, the entity has lost interest in the time loop altogether and let's Phil go. The entity wasn't interested in teaching Phil a lesson, it just wanted to make Phil suffer out of sadistic pleasure.
@@kraven4444 I 100% agree that it should be left unknown. The why is not important to the story. Plus it is fun to come up with head cannon explanations for what happens. My theory can't be invalidated because of the lack of an official explanation. Neither can the Ned theory.
I think you’re wrong about the movie calculation. He says he’s seen it 100x and you say that’s 100 days but in the depression of his situation you can easily see him sitting there in that dark theatre for 3 days straight. Watching it over & over until he can’t stand it anymore and moves on to something else.
exactly. I am convinced that he must have had a period of depression that probably lasted years/decades. If we assume that he is 45 years old when he enters the loop, I sort of expect that he needs to spend at least more than those 45 years in the loop in order to forget his „previous life“ sotospeak. His body and mind must get used to the loop and normalize it, so that it doesnt feel weird and unusual anymore, only then can he start to rebuild his new GOD persona, when it doesnt conflict with his previous normal life anymore
this took me over a hour to write this but I seen this movie many times. ..he prob spent 10 years but it shows a few days only considering he learned piano, we assume he learned ice sculpture there, little or much french chiropractory & a few etc things. ..the card throwing he might have already known it (he seamed he passingly confessed that he learn it there). ... day 3 goes to jail 4- meets nancy 5- dates her 6- movie date 7- Ritas lunch- bar scene 8- drink 9- world peace- dinner 10- poetry quote - hotel 11- 2nd snowman - 2 slap 12- 19th 3rd- 10th slap 20- meets Rita 21- jeopardy 22- bad report 23- breaks 1st clock 24- 2nd clock 25- 3rd clock 26- kidnap groundhog and 1st death 27- 29th/ deaths - toaster, hit by a truck, jumps 30 rita at the diner - throwing cards 31- 35 other deaths he tells- stab, shot, poisoned, hung, frozen 36- 1st piano lesson 37- 2nd lesson 38- ice sculpt (considering the size of the scupt, this was a different day that he didn't go to piano) 39- 3rd piano lesson 40- hugs Ned (in a different scene position) - to hospital 41- tries to save begger 42 last day- news speech, many errands, - Rita .. My son said 42, before I officially counted the reason he said it because, 7 x 6 more weeks of winter =42 ..ironically! What a good guess, & I don't think even the director notice this, considering his interviews. .. what a great movie
eh, lost me once you started counting tossing cards in a hat as a full day, and seeing a movie as another full day. Conversations with people in a diner would also take just part of a day, and all three of those things COULD happen easily on same days. I clearly can not spend another day watching this video again :P
Groundhog's day is one of those movies that is really good unless you start to dig way too deep into the actual concept or over analyze things. Then it starts looking like a guy stuck in his own perpetual hell. And you start having a harder time enjoying it as a "comedy".
Things to consider: Any issues regarding physical exhaustion or injuries would only affect that day. For example, if he ended up breaking his leg while attempting to save the boy falling out of the tree, it would only put him out that one day. So things like "taking a day to rest to prevent carpal tunnel syndrome wouldn't be needed. However, we have seen that this doesn't affect his mental state, so feeling too stressed by things or needing to work on something else, both factors when learning a skill, would still be there. This just means it would be easier if he learned skills alternating days, to aid his mental health. Some of these events we see him do are implied to have happened multiple times even without direct examples of numbers. The biggest example being saving the boy falling out of the tree, as when we see him manage, he says something along the lines of "I've saved you countless times and yet you never say thanks", implying that even with needing to learn the information to be able to save him, he has spent more time saving that boy than we know. Some things could be done in the same day instead of only one at a time, much like we see for the last day. However, with things he repetitively does that we don't see, such as saving the boy, its possible that some of the days, especially towards the end, get filled with tasks he feels the need to do every time, maybe to help or maybe because he couldn't live with himself if the one day he didn't do that ended up being the last loop, the example again being him taking time to save the boy every day just so he doesn't feel guilty if that's the day he escapes the loop. Just imagine living the same day over and over, eventually finding someone and learning how to save them only to miss it one day to do something else and that day is the last time you go through the loop. And then there's a few things I don't recall you mentioning in the video that would extend it even longer, including saving the wedding of the couple he gave the wrestling tickets to (you mentioned getting to know them when counting all of the people he knew in the diner and figuring out how to get the tickets, but he also helped the bride get over her fears and go through with the wedding, likely requiring at least some knowledge in either motivational speaking or couples therapy), as well as the time he spent trying to save the old homeless man, to no avail. We see a few days of this, including evidence he learned some things to try preventing it, but that's all.
i believe he had one day (the one with the toaster in the tub) where he killed himself right at the start of the day.. so yeah, each day lasted anywhere from maybe 15 minutes to 23 hours 59 minutes? not only days he died reducing the time, but would you count hours he was asleep? so no way to even come close to the hours or minutes.
In the day when he jumps off a building the day keeps going even though he is dead. So maybe he was aware of what was happening like a ghost or something.
He also provided relationship counselling to the young wrestle mania couple. And his final loop shown on screen would've had a heck of a lot more instances of his helping people not shown on screen. :) Love this movie and love the video.
That couple was funny. His counseling was apparently SO effective, they met the stranger, accepted his counseling and got married all on the same DAY. Lol.
I don´t agree on how they add the days in the learning period. Because Bills character could have learned 3 hours piano, 3 hours ice carving, 3 hours of french AND a 2 hour Heidi 2 movie on ONE day!
He could have, but given what he’s trying to do, and the way we see him do it at other times, I’d say it’s likely he learns one thing, it doesn’t work, then moves on to the next.
Do you think that's how humans are? We all could do that and none of us do. Based on what we've seen, Phil doesn't seem to be crazy driven either. I'm guessing he is like us: he wasted lots of time and learned these skills slowly with lots of downtime.
He was Supposed to be In the time loop for 10,000 years in the Script. There is a scene they cut from the movie of him opening the 1st book In the library and then a second later closing the last book in the library.
At 4:37 Ash says that Phil would have had a hard time sourcing a Rolls Royce in small-town Punxatawney. Actually, the car is a Mercedes Benz. Much easier to locate than a Rolls Royce, but maybe still pretty difficult in Punxatawney.
I would just like to point out that the town which stood in for Punxsutawney was Woodstock, Illinois and the Jeep commercial filmed back in the same square. There is a plaque on the corner where Ned Ryerson (Stephen Toblowsky) meets with Phil (Bill Muray)
"Groundhog Day is awesome" - Jimmy Chance in Raising Hope, here we go oh oh oh. Also, "President's Day is awesome." Just wait till Arbor Day when Pappa Woody comes to visit
Well, in the '90s, it was possible to get WWF tickets at a store that was associated with Ticketmaster. A town like Puxatani would feasibly have a record store or the like to purchase them, since it is a short distance from Pittsburgh.
At least I didn't waste as much time watching this, as you guys did attempting to calculate it. And I won't waste any more "trying to correct you"! Bravo, Chaps and Chappettes. You've given frivolity something to look up to! 👍
In the book it was over 10,000 years. He started going to the library and reading one page in a book, starting with the "A"s" in order to keep track of time. He even stated in the movie that "Maybe God is so smart because he's be around so long" !!!
Bill Murray doesn't spend any time stuck in Groundhog Day, Phil Connors does. Bill Murray is just the actor who played him. He spent a few weeks/months filming that role, then going home and making himself a nice cup of soup thankful that he wasn't in the same situation as his character was.
Great video! That's one of my favorite movies. I always wandered how long he was stuck in that loop. I had the impression that it was decades, but not centuries.
Something you don't seem to have factored in because of the carpal tunnel comment... Phil doesn't need to sleep. He can go none stop because we have seen him stay up through to the flip.. also, Phil can be doing more than one thing in a day. So he could learn poetry in the same day that he is learning piano and all the rest. 8 years could hold up but it seems to have taken him a long time to get to the point where he was focused on learning.
The first couple seconds when she sweeps in, her hair goes off to one side. It is the word "Misery". I only know that, and because of your question I had to see for myself. Luckily, not too long. :)
30 years in one day? It can be beautiful. I'm starting learn drums and music in 25 years from zero. It's hard but it is so fascinating, learning art is the most beautiful thing. BUT, after 5 years of learning I've realize that i can't go forward anymore: i need to pay bills, sustain family, it take all my time. In situation like Phil you didn't need to do this "bills game" you have oportunity to take pure art lessons without thinking about what to eat, where to live. More of that, you can learn in your personal tempo. I'm the person who needs much more time to get "the lesson" then others. School was pain for me. And life is more like survival thing for me, I'm not a person who teach new things fast and easy I'm hardly opposite to it. So it's great opportunity to freeze time like in the movie and go to learn in your own tempo. Ofcourse if you will be free in some day, like Phil at the and of movie. When i was in school and first time watch the movie i thoght "i wish can have same opportunity and time to learn". Cheers.
The writer said they imagined Phil being stuck in the loop for 50,000 years in order to learn everything about everyone in town and everything that happens in a 24 hour period in minute detail.
you forgot to factor day: doing good deeds one deed per day (so flat tire, cat out of tree, charity gala, hemlick on man), day for ice sculpture, day for drunk driving.... etc.
According to Danny Rubin, who wrote the screenplay and created the entire concept of the film, Phil Connors lived the same day for 10,000 years. That's what I'll stick with.
1. Present-day Western Pennsylvania was part of New France until the Treaty of Paris ended the Seven Years War (locally known as the "French and Indian War") in 1763 and Britain took possession. Fort Duquesne and its fur-trading post were sited at present-day Pittsburgh, southwest of Punxsutawney. 2. At the time the film was set, French was an elective taught at most middle and virtually all high schools in the Commonwealth. There were probably several qualified French teachers in the Punxsutawney Area School District. The Pennsylvania State University has a branch campus in DuBois, 17 miles from Punxsutawney, so a professor might even live nearby.
ooh, may I watch this video over and over again? I have a revelation ... and that is this repeating of days is analogous to aging ... waking up day by day going to work over and over again, slowly over time learning what is less important than other things ... and over time the ego finally letting it go giving up the tight grip on the machinations of mice and men ... and thus over sheer experience through countless repetition gains a semblance of wisdom.
hmm I have another comment realizing something else. The first time I saw the movie I thought it was a waste to actually move and live in Punxsutawney . . . but now with this revelation of how many days he actually invested in the town repeating the same day over and over again but learning almost everything about the town and its people then now it makes sense that he wouldn't want to be anywhere else. He has invested so much time and have come to accept the minutia of everyday life that he would want to see how it turns out, to see what happens to the town and its residents, yes it had become his home his demesne ... and his hearth of hearts.
all that time spent repeating the day and maintaining everything you did every time you repeat, I would probably learn to be a nail technician,nail artist, makeup expert, hairdresser. Basically anything they had a book on in the library and if it were set with youtube video tutorials then I would use them too. Those are just the first things to come to mind but considering I would just get completely stuck in the time loop because I will forget I need to break it to return to normal. So I would literally just keep learning to perfect anything there is a book on in the hobby section of the library, floristry, flower arranging, cross stitch, long thread, embroidery, knitting, crochet, gardening, dog grooming, leather work, woodcarving. Those are the type of books I noticed at my local library there were lots more on the shelves those were the ones that stood out most due to the colour and font in the book spines.
No physical change to Phil happen from day to day. He simple resets with his memories. So carpel tunnel or frost bite wouldn't matter at all to Phil when learning.
one of the things i have seen in the past on this subject was that phil read the entire library one page a day, stuff like that pushes it back to the big numbers
Fun fact: in the original script, he spent 10,000 years in the loop, and knew the day so well, he had a basic level of omnipotence.
Phil wouldn't have to worry about developing carpal tunnel syndrome from extensive piano practice. Any physical damage his body suffers would be undone by the following time loop. So he could actually spend four or more hours per day practicing the piano. Or any new skill fr that matter.
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I wonder if his muscle memory gets reset too? I'd think that would make it harder to learn a new skill. Impossible to learn some skills well I'd imagine.
Zazz Razzamatazz I think that muscle memory is less important than actual memory. It also wouldn’t take long to make your body catch up with your mind. But I’m not an expert.
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I just made this same comment, too.
He learns a whole new language, learns to flawlessly play piano and master ice sculpting during the loop. He was easily there AT LEAST 50 years. It takes someone at least 10 years to master just one thing, so it doesn’t exactly take a rocket scientist to work out he’s stuck in the loop for an obscene number of decades.
10k yrs
Ironically it feels like I've seen a video like this at least a thousand times by now...
Who's fault is that?
@@Kundalini12 It's a joke. Because it's like- nevermind. You should get it on your own.
Bucket Muffin I don’t remember this comment, makes me wonder if I was drunk 🤣
Then they got you babe
He would not get carpel tunnel syndrome playing the piano because, like coming back to life, he would be healed of any wear and tear of learning.
johnmajormastersawza true I think she was saying to the extent of injuring his hand and wrist in that 24 hour period
I was about to say the same thing. He starts out fresh each day... you can't injure your wrist in 24 hours.
I was going to say this exact thing. The only down side is your muscles won't grow so you can't get any stronger, so you're stuck with the body you have now. I wonder if that impacts ones ability to learn something like the piano, since while you're gaining the knowledge, your hands aren't building up the muscles necessary for rapid key strokes. Imagine learning to play the guitar, but without the benefit of callouses that eventually make playing less painful to your fingertips.
@@skipbellon4342 eh we dont know the condition of phils wrists and hands. it is possible to hurt himself but it just wouldnt be permanent if he was on the cusp of inflamation or injury every day he woke up.
Most of learning guitar is “muscle memory” which would not happen if he resets physically.
Thins whole exercise falls under the category of “shut up and enjoy the movie”.
Personally, I've always believed it to be centuries. I suppose it just seems more poetic that way. But whatever the answer, it's great that so many years later we are still talking about this wonderful film. Definitely Harold Ramis' and Bill Murray's finest hour, alongside the original Ghostbusters.
But as many times as I've seen the movie, I'm always more intrigued about the bartender at the hotel. Seems like the dude might know a bit more than he's letting on?
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I agree. I always felt as though it was a couple of centuries too, maybe 3. It just seemed right somehow. It's always fascinating to theorize on though.
@@espritmike Hehehe you beat me to it. John Candy mud wrestling women.. bahahahahah.
The older black guy? What made you think that about him? He had almost no dialogue besides "what can I get you?" and "for you, miss?, and him looking at people then shaking his head (he did the shaking head thing 3 times, 1) early on when Phil says "can I have another one, with some alcohol in it this time?", 2) when Phil says to Rita "let's drink to world peace", and 3) when Larry was unsuccessfully trying to pick up Nancy).
Are suggesting he’s the magical mystical negro stereotype? Lol.
He just seemed like a professional of his craft who’s lived a life and has people skills.
The math here doesn't make sense. You don't think he could practice throwing the playing cards AND go to see the movie on the same day? Why add them together as separate ledgers?
If he spends 5 hours tossing cards into a hat, I'm guessing it's a "not leaving the house" sort of day
Well he might even be doing it while watching the film
Its just like rounding up instead of trying to figure out precise hours.
"Carpal tunnel"? But didn't his body reset each day? He drove off a cliff, was shot, was stabbed, electrocuted...
As always thank you so very much for the wonderful video.
I wish my carpel tunnel would reset in the morning so I could work and play guitar again...
Luey Sixty-six I’m sorry to hear😢.... I still hope you still enjoy a little bit of playing the guitar.
That’s what I was thinking... still, it’s a partially valid point, it would become either uncomfortable or impractical to continue after several hours.
It resets everyday, but he can still get repetitive stress injuries on *each* day.
Yeh but I don't think you could get any repetitive stress injury in one day. The muscles might start to hurt as they're not used to doing so much work but that's not the same as repetitive stress, an hour of rest/ learning French or any of the other things he learned and his hands would be ready to carry on.
Phil is also able to predict everything and knows everyone's name and personal information about every single one of them.
STAGE III: Spent Learning: You cannot imply that repetitive motion (carpal tunnel) would affect Phil's ability to play the piano every day. Since Phil seems to only carry the knowledge of the previous experiences in other Groundhog Days and not his injuries. If that were the case, Phil would eventually wake up to pass away from old age over and over again. (That would be a cool horror movie.)
They should make a sequel. It would be interesting to see how Phil copes with getting out of GHD after being there for so long.
Carpal tunnel isn't an issue when you're stuck in literally the same 24 hour span repeatedly as each day resets your body back to it's original condition that you started the loop in. Thus, he could study and play piano for 40 years, playing 2 to 3 hours a day, and it wouldn't affect him in the next loop.
Additionally, when it comes to the Chiropractor bit, what's to say that he didn't just play around and get lucky when cracking the guy's back? He may not have studied at all and just found through trial and error how to not paralyze Felix.
If carpal tunnel was an issue, then so would suicide be an issue. And Phil committed suicide a lot.
The questions I always had were "Did he rob the armored car on the day he broke the spell?" and "Does he maintain that level of insurance going forward?"
good points! Or did he have to be fully reformed in order for the curse to end?
I like your premise, though: What if he robbed the armored car on the "last" day,
woke up finally to a NEW day, only to go to prison!
The thing that broke the spell was finding love. It was his ex girlfriend that cursed him. Read the synopsis for the book.
@@trunkskoolkid they specifically avoided putting a reason in the movie because it doesn’t matter. The studio demanded they had a reason and wanted them to film something, but They never wanted it in the story, hence why it isn’t.
I thought I heard Danny Rubin (the person who actually wrote Groundhogs Day) say it was his original concept that he spend thousands of years reliving that one day.
After a few hours of learning piano he could have easily put some hours in learning french... you can do more in one day than just one thing
Thank you.
I was so mad of their assumption that he does only one thing a day. Like learning piano for 4 hours and then just fucks off and waits for the next day?
He could multi-task... But it's more believable that he merely focused on one thing until he mastered it before moving on to the next thing. He wasn't acquiring these skills for personal achievement. He was trying to get laid. He would learn a skill, try to impress the chick, fail, then learn another skill in hopes of impressing chick.
I think the general idea the film established was that he tried one thing to impress Rita and then moved on when it didn’t work, with that in mind, I don’t think it’s likely that he’d be trying to learn several things at once.
@Apple Pi
Sounds actually possible. But even if he is always only "learning" one thing at once, he would do it for more than 4 hours a day, and he can learn said thing and still get familiar with his surrounding and the people of the town in the same day
@@CheerioCheerio Exactly, either learning multiple things a day, or spending 16 hours on a single thing. The day stacking just for the sake of it is hilarious here.
Yeah it's decades... He literally goes insane... It's technically a horror movie.
Man, TH-cam ad algorithm is so good, I just got a Jeep commercial featuring Bill Murray acting as his Groundhog Day character.
Where's MatPat when you need him.
This is just a theory! A WhatCulture Theory!
James Turner doing something with FNAFs
Ya also forgetting to deleted scenes where you sitting in the library reading medical books but there's a theory popping around that he's in purgatory
If I spent 10+ years in the same day I think I'd go brain dead or insane
So did Phil, but he eventually got better
And then you wake up again brain alive and sane.
and yet here we are.
He can do more than one thing in a day - Sure but he'd also be losing time every day because of being in the time loop. Having to go through the same introductory conversation to get a piano lesson, ditch work, convince someone to let him carve an iceblock with their chainsaw. He'd learn lots of ways around it but it would still be having an effect on how much time he can spend on what he wants to do.
I don´t think he required to learn the WHOLE stuff about carving ice or playing the piano. All he needed was to do one or two things extremely good. It is easier to play one song than to do a whole repertoire. Besides he was repeating every day so it was more like a trial and error to get things done instead of learning the whole skill.
I’m sure he tries to save the homeless man a few times
atleast 4-5 we see im pretty sure
He basically does everything he can, basically becoming a doctor, at least that was what I thought was implied. That would take an incredibly long time.
We really only saw Phil trying to save the old homeless man twice. The first time when he brings him to the hospital and the nurse said he just passed away. The second time when he finds him earlier, gets him a full meal at the diner, and then tries but fails to revive him in the alley
Yea her count was way off.
2:15 38 days shown on screen.
4:29 352 days to learn a lot.
7:40 7,935 days to learn useful skills.
12:47 12,395 days to get all of that done, or about 34 years.
4:37 Sure, pick holes in the maths, but a Rolls-Royce? Looks like a Merc to me 😂
It's clearly a Rolls Royce.
Gets up determined to get something done. Watches this video. To heck with it: goes back to bed.
I just returned to bed as I was reading your comment.
You guys ready? We better get going if we're gonna stay ahead of the weather.
According to the book I thought it was 10,000 years...
That's f***ing scary...
I heard in the movie the director said it was 40+ years but 10,000 is insane
@@lurker5002 Imagine how bored you would be of EVERYTHING after 10k years!
@@ctakitimu I think if it was 40 years I would do it could be cool but definitely not 10,000
@@lurker5002 agreed! No wonder he tried to off himself
My Birthday is Groundhog's Day so this was my favorite movie as a child lol.
Groundhogs day is my birthday, too! 😄
@@Queen365 Happy Birthday!!!
@@HeadBangerBoogie Thank you! Happy birthday to you, too! 😄🎂
Happy Birthday!
Mine is the day before groundhog day.
He had to be in there long enough to, not only learn about everyone in the town, but long enough to commit all that information to memory.
Likewise it had to be long enough for him to become so utterly bored with his immortality that he tried to kill himself in a variety of ways.
He also had to have his conversation with Rita so many times that he has every step of the conversation down pat.
On top of all that, he had to spend enough time developing and maintaining his skills.
Conservatively I would say that he was in that day loop for hundreds of years.
I agree. Plus, it's like he became a whole new person from the core level. That would take so much freakin time 😅
He didn't completely find himself - the closing joke punchline: "We'll rent, to start."
I wonder if he caught the child falling out of a tree, or saved that bloke from choking every day, or whether he sometimes just let them die because he had other things to do.
I'm wondering if he remembered to do those things on his last Groundhog Day. Otherwise, the guy choked to death and the kid wound up in the hospital.
@@kbob1163 He did that to get to the last Groundhog day.
The new Jeep Cherokee commercial with Bill Murray played before the video. That was awesome.
At least Jeep made his nightmare a little bit easy. Lol
I disliked most of the Super Bowl commercials, but I really enjoyed that one.
when he's in the library he reads books so, what if he read every single book.
I ran into Harold Ramis in the La Guardia American Airlines Club in 1994. We had mutual friends and had a delightful 4-hour conversation. He was in NYC scouting locations for his upcoming picture with "Billy Crystal and Bobby DeNiro" ("Analyze This"). During the conversation, I asked him The Question- "How long was Phil Conners trapped on Groundhog Day?" His answer? "56 years". From the writer's mouth.
You mentioned carpal tunnel. That wouldn't be an issue, as Phil is physically reset after each day, meaning he could learn piano every day. Of course, this also raises the question of muscle memory. Could you learn a physical skill like piano without the ability to build muscle memory.
WhosWho Productions well damn
According to the altered carbon world yes. But as a former croupier Ill tell you there is more to muscle memory than just the brain. Cutting and playing with chips takes quite a toll on you hands and when I try to do it now my hands hurt a lot where when I was doing it a lot, they didn't. Piano playing takes insane finger strength.
“Muscle memory” is really a misnomer for building the automatic response at a mental level, though of course that involves training the nervous system. I’d argue that he carries that portion of his being across each day.
The mind/body separation needs be drawn somewhere in this story, since the “mind” still has roots in physical being. Aside from piano, many of his other skills/experiences require the same development in order to be justifiable within the rules of that universe.
I definitely agree with you that he wouldn’t sustain any overuse injuries, and could practice for 12 hours a day if he likes without any physical ramifications. As a pianist, I also contend that with cognizance of proper playing technique, risk for overuse injuries for extended sessions are at a minimum.
In 2008, while in Iraq, our team watched and did an estimate of years spent…I came up with 30-35 and everyone thought I was nuts. So I’m happy to hear that Harold Ramos and you guys agree with me lol
I am curious about who or what in the story is responsible for the time loop.
My theory is that a very bored Q like entity wanted to see him suffer for it's entertainment. When Phil starts changing into a decent person, the entity's interest begins to wane. When Phil get's the happy ending, the entity has lost interest in the time loop altogether and let's Phil go. The entity wasn't interested in teaching Phil a lesson, it just wanted to make Phil suffer out of sadistic pleasure.
I think there's a video out there blaming Ned the insurance guy lol. Though I haven't seen it. Also many feel that it's better left as unknown.
@@kraven4444 I 100% agree that it should be left unknown. The why is not important to the story. Plus it is fun to come up with head cannon explanations for what happens. My theory can't be invalidated because of the lack of an official explanation. Neither can the Ned theory.
I’m so glad they left it unknown and not even speculated upon. If this was the cause of it I’d leave the theater and go kill myself.
I think you’re wrong about the movie calculation. He says he’s seen it 100x and you say that’s 100 days but in the depression of his situation you can easily see him sitting there in that dark theatre for 3 days straight. Watching it over & over until he can’t stand it anymore and moves on to something else.
exactly. I am convinced that he must have had a period of depression that probably lasted years/decades. If we assume that he is 45 years old when he enters the loop, I sort of expect that he needs to spend at least more than those 45 years in the loop in order to forget his „previous life“ sotospeak. His body and mind must get used to the loop and normalize it, so that it doesnt feel weird and unusual anymore, only then can he start to rebuild his new GOD persona, when it doesnt conflict with his previous normal life anymore
this took me over a hour to write this
but I seen this movie many times.
..he prob spent 10 years but it shows a few days only
considering he learned piano,
we assume he learned ice sculpture there,
little or much french
chiropractory & a few etc things.
..the card throwing he might have already known it (he seamed he passingly confessed that he learn it there).
...
day 3 goes to jail
4- meets nancy
5- dates her
6- movie date
7- Ritas lunch- bar scene
8- drink
9- world peace- dinner
10- poetry quote - hotel
11- 2nd snowman - 2 slap
12- 19th 3rd- 10th slap
20- meets Rita
21- jeopardy
22- bad report
23- breaks 1st clock
24- 2nd clock
25- 3rd clock
26- kidnap groundhog and 1st death
27- 29th/ deaths - toaster, hit by a truck, jumps
30 rita at the diner - throwing cards
31- 35 other deaths he tells- stab, shot, poisoned, hung, frozen
36- 1st piano lesson
37- 2nd lesson
38- ice sculpt (considering the size of the scupt, this was a different day that he didn't go to piano)
39- 3rd piano lesson
40- hugs Ned (in a different scene position) - to hospital
41- tries to save begger
42 last day- news speech, many errands, - Rita
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My son said 42, before I officially counted
the reason he said it because, 7 x 6 more weeks of winter =42 ..ironically!
What a good guess, & I don't think even the director notice this, considering his interviews.
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what a great movie
eh, lost me once you started counting tossing cards in a hat as a full day, and seeing a movie as another full day. Conversations with people in a diner would also take just part of a day, and all three of those things COULD happen easily on same days.
I clearly can not spend another day watching this video again :P
WhatCulture already did this video. In fact, it's their oldest video. Go check, it should still be there.
They do this video every day.
Groundhog's day is one of those movies that is really good unless you start to dig way too deep into the actual concept or over analyze things.
Then it starts looking like a guy stuck in his own perpetual hell. And you start having a harder time enjoying it as a "comedy".
I'm just gonna stick with 35 years to smack my friends with my impressive knowledge of useless information about a great movie.
If I was stuck in a time loop for 34 years... I'd spend all of them trying to impress Ash, of course. How is that even a question?
3:02 transitions to Jeep 2020 Groundhog Day Super Bowl commercial 😁😁😁
Things to consider:
Any issues regarding physical exhaustion or injuries would only affect that day. For example, if he ended up breaking his leg while attempting to save the boy falling out of the tree, it would only put him out that one day. So things like "taking a day to rest to prevent carpal tunnel syndrome wouldn't be needed. However, we have seen that this doesn't affect his mental state, so feeling too stressed by things or needing to work on something else, both factors when learning a skill, would still be there. This just means it would be easier if he learned skills alternating days, to aid his mental health.
Some of these events we see him do are implied to have happened multiple times even without direct examples of numbers. The biggest example being saving the boy falling out of the tree, as when we see him manage, he says something along the lines of "I've saved you countless times and yet you never say thanks", implying that even with needing to learn the information to be able to save him, he has spent more time saving that boy than we know.
Some things could be done in the same day instead of only one at a time, much like we see for the last day. However, with things he repetitively does that we don't see, such as saving the boy, its possible that some of the days, especially towards the end, get filled with tasks he feels the need to do every time, maybe to help or maybe because he couldn't live with himself if the one day he didn't do that ended up being the last loop, the example again being him taking time to save the boy every day just so he doesn't feel guilty if that's the day he escapes the loop. Just imagine living the same day over and over, eventually finding someone and learning how to save them only to miss it one day to do something else and that day is the last time you go through the loop.
And then there's a few things I don't recall you mentioning in the video that would extend it even longer, including saving the wedding of the couple he gave the wrestling tickets to (you mentioned getting to know them when counting all of the people he knew in the diner and figuring out how to get the tickets, but he also helped the bride get over her fears and go through with the wedding, likely requiring at least some knowledge in either motivational speaking or couples therapy), as well as the time he spent trying to save the old homeless man, to no avail. We see a few days of this, including evidence he learned some things to try preventing it, but that's all.
if you ask "How many hours" you'll have to cut some days short since dyeing would have cut his day short.
I seem to recall he could stay up past midnight.
i believe he had one day (the one with the toaster in the tub) where he killed himself right at the start of the day.. so yeah, each day lasted anywhere from maybe 15 minutes to 23 hours 59 minutes? not only days he died reducing the time, but would you count hours he was asleep? so no way to even come close to the hours or minutes.
In the day when he jumps off a building the day keeps going even though he is dead. So maybe he was aware of what was happening like a ghost or something.
By your math Phil can’t walk and chew gum at the same time 😂😂😂
He also provided relationship counselling to the young wrestle mania couple. And his final loop shown on screen would've had a heck of a lot more instances of his helping people not shown on screen. :)
Love this movie and love the video.
That couple was funny. His counseling was apparently SO effective, they met the stranger, accepted his counseling and got married all on the same DAY. Lol.
I don´t agree on how they add the days in the learning period. Because Bills character could have learned 3 hours piano, 3 hours ice carving, 3 hours of french AND a 2 hour Heidi 2 movie on ONE day!
He could have, but given what he’s trying to do, and the way we see him do it at other times, I’d say it’s likely he learns one thing, it doesn’t work, then moves on to the next.
Do you think that's how humans are? We all could do that and none of us do. Based on what we've seen, Phil doesn't seem to be crazy driven either. I'm guessing he is like us: he wasted lots of time and learned these skills slowly with lots of downtime.
This movie is so funny, its so creative to with these different ideas of how his day happens.
He was Supposed to be In the time loop for 10,000 years in the Script. There is a scene they cut from the movie of him opening the 1st book In the library and then a second later closing the last book in the library.
Probably the best information I have ever seen on TH-cam, nay, the internet! 😂 Amazing
As a mathematician, I'm aware that none of his days are 24 hours, so the count of hours would be a lot less than 24 times the number of days.
At 4:37 Ash says that Phil would have had a hard time sourcing a Rolls Royce in small-town Punxatawney. Actually, the car is a Mercedes Benz. Much easier to locate than a Rolls Royce, but maybe still pretty difficult in Punxatawney.
I would just like to point out that the town which stood in for Punxsutawney was Woodstock, Illinois and the Jeep commercial filmed back in the same square. There is a plaque on the corner where Ned Ryerson (Stephen Toblowsky) meets with Phil (Bill Muray)
Maybe he counteracted the carpal tunnel syndrome by cooling his wrists, building ice sculptures :-D
"Groundhog Day is awesome" - Jimmy Chance in Raising Hope, here we go oh oh oh. Also, "President's Day is awesome." Just wait till Arbor Day when Pappa Woody comes to visit
Well, in the '90s, it was possible to get WWF tickets at a store that was associated with Ticketmaster. A town like Puxatani would feasibly have a record store or the like to purchase them, since it is a short distance from Pittsburgh.
At least I didn't waste as much time watching this, as you guys did attempting to calculate it.
And I won't waste any more "trying to correct you"! Bravo, Chaps and Chappettes. You've given frivolity something to look up to! 👍
In the book it was over 10,000 years. He started going to the library and reading one page in a book, starting with the "A"s" in order to keep track of time. He even stated in the movie that "Maybe God is so smart because he's be around so long" !!!
Forgot to list how many times he tried to say the homeless guy and he kept dying
@Danny Stowers lol
@Danny Stowers watch be scene again he tries at least six times to save the old man Eddie dies no matter what
Wonderful, finally have an answer for that. Btw - I couldn't stop glaring at your wonderful hair ;D
Bill Murray doesn't spend any time stuck in Groundhog Day, Phil Connors does. Bill Murray is just the actor who played him. He spent a few weeks/months filming that role, then going home and making himself a nice cup of soup thankful that he wasn't in the same situation as his character was.
Great video! That's one of my favorite movies. I always wandered how long he was stuck in that loop. I had the impression that it was decades, but not centuries.
I could google this in a few seconds but i just like the video answer more
If the math is right, it might not be such a bad fate to be stuck seeing Andie McDowell every day for over 33 years, especially if she doesn't age.
You mentioned Bill Murray so I give you an automatic thumbs up.
I only clicked on this video to say that someone has already done this - but then, it had a redhead... well played :)
I'm 34. It blows my mind that he basically spent my whole lifetime in a loop.
Something you don't seem to have factored in because of the carpal tunnel comment... Phil doesn't need to sleep. He can go none stop because we have seen him stay up through to the flip.. also, Phil can be doing more than one thing in a day. So he could learn poetry in the same day that he is learning piano and all the rest. 8 years could hold up but it seems to have taken him a long time to get to the point where he was focused on learning.
Liking the vid but my OCD's rattled over a sweater with half a word it never got to read 😅 was it Misery?
Miseor it's a Latin word that in terms is getting popular with English people
Mise - it is Irish for 'Me'.
The first couple seconds when she sweeps in, her hair goes off to one side.
It is the word "Misery". I only know that, and because of your question I had to see for myself. Luckily, not too long. :)
Miser
Misery... you can just make out the R and the Y as Ash slides back into frame at the very end 14:48 -49
30 years in one day? It can be beautiful. I'm starting learn drums and music in 25 years from zero. It's hard but it is so fascinating, learning art is the most beautiful thing. BUT, after 5 years of learning I've realize that i can't go forward anymore: i need to pay bills, sustain family, it take all my time. In situation like Phil you didn't need to do this "bills game" you have oportunity to take pure art lessons without thinking about what to eat, where to live. More of that, you can learn in your personal tempo. I'm the person who needs much more time to get "the lesson" then others. School was pain for me. And life is more like survival thing for me, I'm not a person who teach new things fast and easy I'm hardly opposite to it. So it's great opportunity to freeze time like in the movie and go to learn in your own tempo. Ofcourse if you will be free in some day, like Phil at the and of movie. When i was in school and first time watch the movie i thoght "i wish can have same opportunity and time to learn". Cheers.
So ironic how while watching this video about Groundhog Day I get hit with the Groundhog Day Jeep ad from the Super Bowl lol
Mad props for the effort!
The writer said they imagined Phil being stuck in the loop for 50,000 years in order to learn everything about everyone in town and everything that happens in a 24 hour period in minute detail.
you forgot to factor day: doing good deeds one deed per day (so flat tire, cat out of tree, charity gala, hemlick on man), day for ice sculpture, day for drunk driving.... etc.
Lol a Groundhog Day themed Jeep commercial came on before this
Various TH-cam sources estimate from 11 to 60 years.
According to Danny Rubin, who wrote the screenplay and created the entire concept of the film, Phil Connors lived the same day for 10,000 years. That's what I'll stick with.
It’s Groundhog Day and I just watched this movie for the millionth time💕
Bill Murray was only 'stuck' in the loop for as long as it took to shoot the film.
If I was stuck in Groundhog Day... It would take me about 5 years to realise.
I Appreciate updating this video from the original
I could serious sit and watch Ash present all the ways Bubba could cook shrimp and not get bored. And yes, she can test me on that one!
Who can say? Groundhog maybe the ultimate science fiction movie despite no actually being one!
1. Present-day Western Pennsylvania was part of New France until the Treaty of Paris ended the Seven Years War (locally known as the "French and Indian War") in 1763 and Britain took possession. Fort Duquesne and its fur-trading post were sited at present-day Pittsburgh, southwest of Punxsutawney.
2. At the time the film was set, French was an elective taught at most middle and virtually all high schools in the Commonwealth. There were probably several qualified French teachers in the Punxsutawney Area School District. The Pennsylvania State University has a branch campus in DuBois, 17 miles from Punxsutawney, so a professor might even live nearby.
I’m so disturbed and saddened by this information...and I fucking love it. It makes me appreciate this film even more.
ooh, may I watch this video over and over again? I have a revelation ... and that is this repeating of days is analogous to aging ... waking up day by day going to work over and over again, slowly over time learning what is less important than other things ... and over time the ego finally letting it go giving up the tight grip on the machinations of mice and men ... and thus over sheer experience through countless repetition gains a semblance of wisdom.
hmm I have another comment realizing something else. The first time I saw the movie I thought it was a waste to actually move and live in Punxsutawney . . . but now with this revelation of how many days he actually invested in the town repeating the same day over and over again but learning almost everything about the town and its people then now it makes sense that he wouldn't want to be anywhere else. He has invested so much time and have come to accept the minutia of everyday life that he would want to see how it turns out, to see what happens to the town and its residents, yes it had become his home his demesne ... and his hearth of hearts.
Why was the first version of this video privatized? I know that it was old but couldn’t you just have called this one the revised version?
Both videos are great but I would have liked to see your “old” style and reasonings. Thank you for bringing new interest to the movie though.
Both videos are great but I would have liked to see your “old” style and reasonings. Thank you for bringing new interest to the movie though.
all that time spent repeating the day and maintaining everything you did every time you repeat, I would probably learn to be a nail technician,nail artist, makeup expert, hairdresser. Basically anything they had a book on in the library and if it were set with youtube video tutorials then I would use them too. Those are just the first things to come to mind but considering I would just get completely stuck in the time loop because I will forget I need to break it to return to normal. So I would literally just keep learning to perfect anything there is a book on in the hobby section of the library, floristry, flower arranging, cross stitch, long thread, embroidery, knitting, crochet, gardening, dog grooming, leather work, woodcarving. Those are the type of books I noticed at my local library there were lots more on the shelves those were the ones that stood out most due to the colour and font in the book spines.
33 years? Flipping heck. That is a long time!
If I had the chance. I'd spend every day doing self improvement and figuring out how to convince Ashe from WhatCulture I'd be a swell boyfriend.
No physical change to Phil happen from day to day. He simple resets with his memories. So carpel tunnel or frost bite wouldn't matter at all to Phil when learning.
It takes 10,000 hours to become a world-class expert on something, but there is a TED talk that it only takes 30 days to be good at a skill.
one of the things i have seen in the past on this subject was that phil read the entire library one page a day, stuff like that pushes it back to the big numbers
I’m pretty proud that when I saw this while in high school when it came out, I did my best estimate of the minimum. I guessed 25-30 years.
Many learning activities mentioned, can be done in parallel, so...
Or... He just focused on one time at a time.
How meta... One of the commercials was a reference to the movie. 🤣